Necron Hypercrypt Legion WINS LVO 2024 | Full Warhammer 40k Tournament Breakdown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
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Big thanks to @WarGamesLive for covering the event!
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:19 Event Info
01:21 Hypercrypt Legion Breakdown
02:44 Winning List Breakdown
10:41 Individual Matchup Breakdowns
23:52 Final Thoughts
25:10 Outro - เกม
Little whoopsie - looks like I mislabelled the R3 opponent on the title card. It was Alex Fennel piloting the C'tan list not a Matt Lorah spiderman meme I swear
Also, lotta questions about exactly how the Round 1 redeploys work... you can check out this video for all the deets -> th-cam.com/video/pE_8Pi5LcjY/w-d-xo.html
"By the Star Gods, it's a monolith with a steel chair!"
Shout out to WarGames Live for streaming this awesome event! Was a fantastic weekend of games!
Hell yeah - even more amazing coverage from Joe
My favorite moment from the tourney was when Matt Lorah saved the Monolith on double boxcars against the Aeldari.
I hope thats not implying he cheated....@@putthebunnybackinthebox4790
The look on both players' faces were priceless. Folger needed a full reboot after seeing the dicebox.
Dude, they were shared dice on the stream lol
Even I cheered, 2000 miles away. Wife thought I was having a stroke.
This is where I paused the video, asked my wife to come into the living room and explain in 5 minutes why what just happened was so wild.
She does not play 40k or know anything about it. But still loves me enough to listen and nod along and tell me it's indeed cool.
The monolith is a cool model, I'm glad it was useful in this list, and the list was a great one!
It was a very cool list, and he ran it very well. When the Aeldari blew up his Monolith (not in the final), he didn't lose hope. He scrapped his way back to a win.
I watched a number of his games that were streamed this weekend. It was a very non-standard Necron army which threw off a lot of the game play of the other players because they were not familiar with it Matt did a great job using his army with incredible effect. I'd imagine after this weekend players will either be looking to duplicate his army or look for ways of slowing them down. The price of Necron Monoliths shot up. lol
3D printer go brrrrrr
Reminds me of what John did with his vanguard Ultramarines at WCW. Very mobile counter meta army. No doubt something similar will now happen where everyone copies the army and half the units go out of stock as a result 😂
Yeah after that, everyone is running vanguard etc. it’s a tricksy list but also very cp dependent too. Has to use at least one per turn to put the centurions back into deep strike. The necron one does it for free.
Well played by a great player! Have all players focus on the Court and missing out how strong Hypercrypt is was a great distraction =)
A lot of players have been putting up good results with hypercrypt but its usually 50/50 with court which i think is in general a easier play style. Personally i prefer a more shooty&resilient army Vs big balls monolith back line dropping high skill ceiling. Its nice we have detachments that are playable for both.
Necron Cryptek advisor: Your greatness, our superior firepower will overwhelm their feeble ranks clearing the way for a flanking maneuver by our Destroyer Cult auxiliaries and our Triarch spearhead will deliver the killing blow in one swift assault.
Noble with robot pyramid: FUCK IT, WE BALL. FUCK IT, WE BALL. FUCK IT, WE BALL. FUCK IT, WE BALL. FUCK IT, WE BALL.
Eldar: Hey, do you guys hear something?
Clutch box cars on a monolith and a bad charge decision with wraith guard is what won that game
Good event. Very tactical.
The versatility and resilience of Nevrons on full display
Since all psychic abilities/phase eliminated ( other than codex specific CP initiated effects-abilities stimulating odychic powers often-that cannit be countered) Its armies such as Necronns, Aeldari, Ynarri/Drukar, CSM were far beyond all other top teir lists aa they have the synergizing/cidex specific/uncounterabe abilities and CP regen. Hypercrypt in particularr
The receht data slate diminishes CSM and Aeldari below top tier.
Presently, its Necrons, Ynarri/Drukari In the top tier w/o much Opposition.
Aeldari are such good heels these days. It takes a special kind of person to bask in that for us to enjoy.
Thank you❤
Great breakdown
Looks like the meta for necrons is in great spot if it really comes down to piloting the army and it being this close every time!
I think you swapped the player name/list for both necrons lists but good video!
Rockin' review.
Don't most mission rules prevent you from using deep strike turn 1? Did they use special missions at LVO?
Does the GSC strategem that allows you to pick up units similarly allow you to drop down bottom of turn 1? (all the units you use it on have deep strike)
If you go second on first turn you can Return to Shadows on end of first round to let the drop on your turn
Can any unit deep strike turn 1?
Imagine being Riley Davis and bringing your TSons to the biggest 40k tournament and seeing that Hypercrypt list in round one. I probably would have cried.
Imagine bringing Tsons to a tournament
@TacticalTortoise Agreed. Definitely having more fun with Chaos Knights. It really didn't feel like they changed that much in the last Balance Dataslate, but it must have been just a little too much because it has been just a slog to play TSons since then.
My friend plays t-sons and yeah the requirement to have your units on the table top just to earn cp sucks. Like I’m usually steam rolling him by turn 3 because he has to expose his infantry and I capitalize. MVB’s are very points expensive same with Magnus. Art of War mentioned making cabal points a fixed amount vs a pool which would help keep the ritual use in check and allow t-sons to be less restrictive army building wise.
Hey at the beginning of the video you explained that the army can use deep strike when deploying in the reinforcement step of the movement phase. This is 100% supported by the FAQ and rules commentary saying if you deploy in the reinforcement step, you are treated as coming from SR, and page 2 deep strike says if you come from SR and have the DS rule that you can choose to use the DS rule. Why are there so many people who say Draigo from the grey knights cant get his charge bonus from teleport assault, which is the same as necrons, even when it's been upheld that grey knights and necrons cam deploy via deep strike as explained above?
Teleport Assault and Hyperphasing are NOT the same ability!
Hyperphasing specifically puts a unit into Strategic reserve, which then lets it deep strike back on the table (if it has it).
Teleport Assault just repositions the unit 9" away from enemies - it is neither strategic reserve nor deep strike.
So what abort warpspiders and swooping hawks. They have deepstrike and Can be put into Strategic reserve from the start of the game. Way vant they ude there deepstrike agility turn one?
Oddly reminds me of playing Dawn of War crons
Im guessing infiltrators will stop these deep striking shenanigans just like they do inceptors... Do you think we will see an uptick in their use?
Imo a little bit, but i think it will be more when armies like GSC and GK get codexes.
I’m betting everyone will be bringing at least one now lol
Again GW started bloating the game with new rules only to be overrided by other rules.. so one need to read 2 books only to figure out afterwards that rules cancel each other...
I think they will only nerf number of units to be teleported to max 2, as in most other armies up and downies limited to 2.
Unless baked into datasheet like scouts, or maybe they will just employ master switch similar to "spam max 3"
Am I missing something? I thought you weren't allowed to stand on objective markers anymore in 10th. But in all the footage you see players with models directly on top of the center of the markers.
Infiltrators + Phobos Lib are back on the battlefield 😂
What allowes the monolith to arrive in turn 1? Is it because of the strata or because of the fact that it was on the table in turn 1? Hypercrypt says place the units in reserves. So i have played it so that i only are allowed to bring back stuff in turn 2.
I was confused about this as well...
Apparently it’s written somewhere (haven’t checked myself yet but multiple people have stated it) that if it started on the table, goes into reserve at the end of your opponents first turn, it’s able to come down in your next reinforcement phase (aka your turn one) overriding deep striking units not coming in until turn 2. If it was already in reserves however, it’s only able to come in from turn 2 onwards
@@nomad2126 The Leviathan rules for Reserves are the reason. They override the Core Rules. Found it.
Units repositioning using Deep Strike can arrive in BR1 as long as they started on the table. Stuff that begins the game in deep strike, or repositions using Strategic Reserves is still restricted from arriving in the first round.
So swooping hakkes Can do Theis aswell sinde they Can be moves into strategic reserves in the end of opponents turn
So does it say in the specific army rule that units with deep strike can ignore the normal turn two deep strike rules?
It's in the rules commentary - units that begin on the table and reposition using Deep Strike can ignore the BR1 limit.
Strategic Reserves are still limited *unless* they can deep strike.
I was very confused looking for the answer in the rules commentary, but I found this in section 8 Declare Battle Formations of the Leviathan mission pack "Reserves units cannot arrive during the first battle round and any Strategic Reserves or Reserves that have not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the third battle round count as having been destroyed, as are any units embarked within them (this does not apply to units that are placed into Strategic Reserves after the first battle round has started)." Is it the bit in the brackets that allows the turn 1 deep strike?
@@TacticalTortoise so if I deploy skorpekh destroyers and a monolith then put them I do reserves after my opponent goes first. I can then deep strike my skorpekh destroyers and monolith then use the monoliths ability to move a let’s say 20 man warrior squad
@@TacticalTortoisewhere in the rules commentary? Couldnt find anything why its allowed when placed in reserves after start.
Just goes to show ya...3" goes a long way
(wonder how many of those jokes were made that night)
Not screening out a monolith turn 1 is crazy
Who the fuck thinks it’s gonna drop in their back line lmaoo
@@IsacCivil I think his point was you don't really have to try. How could u possibly have a hole big enough for a 6x6in model to fit in?
ESPECIALLY since you're fighting this army with everything teleporting. It's a good point to bring up because it's pretty ridiculous that it happened
It’s the 3” deep strike strat that got them
"Incredibly hard to stop" other than sufficiently screening a Monolith from your side of the field, but yeah, it's pretty good.
Wait, you can run 3 transcendent ctan? I thought being a character meant you could only have one. That sounds broken and I'm a Necron player. Then again you can have 3 hexmarks.
Only Epic Heroes are restricted to one per army - most characters in the game are non-unique.
Where is the rule that says innate Deep Strikers can come in turn one using this detachment? Everything I have seen says it remains a T2 thing.
Leviathan packet - the turn 1 restriction only applies to deep strikers that start the game in reserve
Can you explain in more detail why units with deepstrike can come in on BR 1? Normally even deepstrike units cannot arrive turn 1, so why does this bypass it? The detatchment rule simply states to remove them from the board and place into strategic reserves, where all normal reserves rules would apply and deepstrike would only change the position it can be placed?
The rule to not arrive turn 1 only applies to units that start the game in deep strike but if you have a rule that allows you to go into deep strike after the start of the game then you can come down in your movement phase turn 1. IE you go second and pick up the unit at the end of your opponent’s 1st turn to drop down in your turn 1
Sweet thanks@@Clatzy541
@@Clatzy541Need to find a way to get my Endless multitude gargoyles killed opponent Turn 1 so they can then be resurrected on my turn 1.😂
he put a web cam on his monolith! I'm screaming that's so funny
Can someone explain how deepstrike lets you set up in the first battle round. I thought you could only deepstrike on turn two?
Im not sure, but i know it is hypercrypt specific because grey knights cant do it.
It's debated atm, and GW isn't helping by not answering, but essentially because they started on the battlefield, as if they start in Strategic Reserves they can't arrive turn 1 as per the rules, but because they're starting on the battlefield and then put into reserves, and having the Deep Strike ability lets you come down using the Deep Strike rule which happens in any reinforcement step including turn 1, so because the Stratagem to pull a unit from the battlefield at the end of your opponents turn (including turn 1) and put them into Reserves is why the Deep Strike rule works on your turn 1, and the opponent has to go first to get the maximum benefits from this. All this is possible because of the rules for Reserves and Strategic Reserves sync differently with Deep Strike
Hope BCP taking over the ITC revives the interest in it
teleporting better than grey knight
It makes me feel better that even one of the best players in the world can lose because they forgot to screen correctly.
Best players in the world don't play overpowered armies. Everyone is a best player with Eldar army as we have seen. Watch him switch to Necron now.
@@alextherussian9933 you might be right
This is everything Grey Knights wish they were.
Too true. All Grey Knights need is un-killable massively under-costed C'tan models and they wouldn't lose a single game either. GW at it's finest not playing their own game.
And now I'm terrified of the massive nerfs GW will cook for the necrons
wow necrons are so overpowered
”Gotcha!” Winning with a new and unusual round one deepstrike army mechanic. But well
played of course and nice to see aeldari beaten.
Im kinda expecting the movement rule after deepstrike to be revert back to its 9th edition version after this tournament lol. Aka no move allowed after set up on table.
Otherwise you would have to overall nuke the hypercrypt detachment to nerf the telerush combo
I'm not so sure. The list was unconventional so people were unprepared and it was also piloted to an incredibly high degree.
Now that people know what to expect from similar lists, things like screening properly will be higher on their priority list.
Nerfing something overpowered is understandable for sure.
Nerfing something because someone played them to a very high caliber seems like the wrong move.
I see nightbringer getting a points increase but that's probably it with Necrons. Maybe making transcendant an epic hero as well
2 things. the LOV game was alot closer that he is making it out to be. he lost cause lew charged the wrong thing and threw away his thunderkyn. the monolith didn't leave his side till turn 4.
2nd please fix these cuts my guy.
Does the necron detachment specify it can come in on turn 1? Because core rules say otherwise
It can if it has deep strike
The core rules only affect units that are in deepstrike or reserves before the game starts, not if they're pulled in after the game starts
Uppy-Downy LOL !!!
MONOLITHIC
Around 20 min. Pretty sure those grunts aren't in coherency
they dont have to. you string them out for getting buffs/where you want them, remove models that rnt in coherency and bring them back with a stratagem
Assuming that big guy next to the top left of the chain is part of the unit, they are. Even large units only need to be in range of 2 other models, so you can string them out in a line at maximum spacing as long as you have 2 guys grouped on each end. Each guy along the line is in range of the guy before and after him in the line, which fullfills coherency.
Ppl acting like this is a surprise, i have been doing this with my Custodes Terminators since month one
Holy fk, 6' aura of 5+ for sustained 2, with full hit reroll? Lil bit overtuned... for all Space Marines formations only possible on max like 1 or 2 units from whole army and here like 6 of them?
Its like playing with 700 points vs 2000 points army, no suprise the results.. 8:47 8:47
triple infiltrator inc
..rolled 2 6s
context?
Always said HCL is the way to necron, but in germany they dont listen…
He measured to block out 9" but monolith base is 6.2".... hmmmm
He probably measured 9 inches not from the board edge but from the line that wouldn't allow any unit to fit in (so the base model size).
Necrons win LVO! Better nerf Dark Angels!
Granted, the nerf to deathwing knights was very well deserved. That unit was awful to play against
Except it doesnt matter cause they didnt use the changes for this tournament right? But i guess hypercrypt didnt change much
they did
The stratagem you're thinking of is Canoptyk Court anyway. Matt Lorah was playing Hypercrypt.
@@mozeswasserl8005 o they did use the changes?
@@Wes-xk6hlyep
O wow that camera setup (while cool) makes actually playing on that table much worse.
Id be pretty mad if i were the nids player. Already have had to play 150 models in like 8 games. Back literally dead. And now i have to bend over all this extending the table edge all game in my semi finals.
I doubt you’d ever play on stream, so don’t sweat it.
Sounds like someones gotta go hit the gym ;D
Game was over turn 1, gotcha! 😂
any list with good infiltrators wouldda stopped him. nice luck with the matchmaking. monolith is kinda bad in the tournament tables it cant fit between the ruins.
Most of wins were because people didn't know the rules *which is very smart!*.... The Tyranids lost because of the "fighting through the walls"...
Great. Now nerf it into the ground. 👍
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Death Watch is better and would wreck this Necron list. It can deep strike units 3inches away (Inceptors) which will wreck Immortals. Eradicators wssill fry the Monolith. Just dont take any Deathwatch units!
You can't bring the monolith in round 1 via deep strike. Nothing can deep strike in round 1, unless it specifically says on its data sheet
You probably should edit your comment cause, you know, in this case you can.
Trevy explains why it can within the first 2 minutes.
That would be right if you werent wrong. Also - watch the vid, he explains why at the beginning =)
No, I still think it's incorrect. You can use the Monliths ability round 1 to bring a unit from reserves onto the field, but you cannot deep strike the monolith round 1.
I’ve watched the start of the vid a few times and read the text. Usually you can’t deep strike in round 1 right? Could someone help out as to why it’s different here? Thanks
I don't understand why units with Deep Strike can come into the battlefield in the first round. Leviathan rules clearly say that units in Reserves can't come into the battlefield the first round, and the following exception in brackets clearly refers to the rule that destroys units in Reserves at the end of the third round. So, even if your units go into Reserves from the battlefield you can't redeploy them in the first round. I think is a misinterpretation of the Leviathan rules.
That only applies if they *start* in deepstrike, not when the units are pulled into deepstrike at the end of your opponents turn
I imagine that this will be amended, but the ruling clearly states this only applies to units that start in reserves, and doesn't affect units that go in after.
Looks like GW rules jank wins a tournament again. Seriously this reseves/ strat reseves fuzzyness needs to stop.
I fully agree.
When you live at home with mommy and don’t shower I fucking hope you can win a tourney 😂
Underrated. 😅
What a random outburst
Dork