Nationalise it. They've cheaped out for years on service, performance, and infrastructure; all the while charging extremely high fares compared to our European neighbours who have better service, performance, and infrastructure.
In the face of current climate situation it is mind boggling that the government keeps implementing policies that drive more and more people off public transport and towards driving cars. Travelling by train already often takes longer due to the lack of East-to-West routes and you sacrifice a lot of your travel flexibility. Now that they are not only more expensive but also unreliable, it just makes taking the train an option most people avoid when possible.
Very true. But then the Tories are now talking about 130 new oil and gas leases, so they clearly don't give a flying fck about the climate emergency. Just another capitalist death cult...
@@michaelrch Historically railway funding is at a high that's many times higher than BR ever received. Also, which services did this government cut? It's up to the service providers to adhere to the terms & conditions of their franchises. And again the government has been fighting to keep the fares down. Train operating companies need to raise them due to the HUGE salaries of Drivers & the army of accountants being private requires. It's not the government. Don't try political point scoring on a railway issue that should be laid at the unions feet.
Just another example of the shocking state of affairs in this country - this was a disaster waiting to happen. Instead of recruiting more drivers, they made up the shortfall by asking existing drivers to work more shifts, now that the drivers are no longer prepared to that, the whole thing has collapsed.
@D C the miniscule amount of taxes on those profits due to them being redistributed within the company to shareholders is a drop in the ocean compared to the collective debt put on the tax payer in general when bailouts of failing companies happen. That's what socialised losses means.
Privatised railway has done wonders in places like Japan that have some of the best rail infrastructure and services on the planet. Our fragmented railways are half private and half public with infrastructure being completely run by incompetent Network Rail. We should learn from the Japanese and fully privatise the ENTIRE system.
They can cut services because they've nearly tripled fares since taking over from Virgin Trains! and we pay the highest fares in Europe. It's cheaper to fly than to take the train. 30% of Avanti is Italian owned, so that's 30% of all profits going overseas ... Time to make the rail public owned.
Then the drivers WOULD go on strike! Public ownership again = the low pay during BR days. No way would they accept that! Back around 1995 a driver was on about £5ph & relied on all sorts of very silly Victorian age bonuses to boost their pathetic pay. Think they'd wish for those cheap scratchy nylon uniforms again? 🤣
This is a failure to invest in more staff and training. By demanding staff work overtime they have forced up the cost of running the services to justify the inflated annual prices to make executive bonuses and dividends appear smaller. Staff have been forced to work overtime to cover their static pay which has had the effect of masking the degree to which executives are gouging the system. What has been compromised here is safety and it is not surprising with the scale of overtime. Executives should be stripped of all bonuses and share options as they have clearly mismanaged the services. Meanwhile the government should renationalise all train service and scale up training for staff. That is what levelling up looks like. It is certainly not gouging customers for ever poorer, unreliable and unsafe services.
Thatcher was actually very sceptical about the privatisation of the British Rail sectors, one of the few privatisation schemes she didn't really support.
Damn! Andy Burnham is brilliant: "You either bring a plan to fix this or you get out"! I am just wondering if we should hand the passengers a couple of scooters and wish them a nice ride to London. I'm not quite sure that would work... But I will remember Burnham's idea and I will remind it to Sadiq Khan regarding the TFL: "You either bring a plan to fix this or you get out"/ well Khan's role is more similar to the role of the CEO, so I might change the sentence to: "You had to fix it by now and you didn't, so you get out"!
@@iainmackenzieUK I mean, depending on your operator and area, they're also Clean, reliable, efficient and regular. This is what happens when you let the Italians and FirstGroup run something.
All the media stations for some reason are anti Union, anti pay rise, anti worker. I don't know what the logic is, but they've all agreed something with the government.
He's trying to pin it all on the lack of staff due to strike action rn. The irony is they're literally fighting for better working conditions to RETAIN staff in the future as well as make it reasonable to work there now.
All the the self rightous Southerners choose to live in Manchester tho, they need those 3 trains so they can keep driving up our housing prices, while working in London
Hahaha..... like Branson (who sued our NHS for £100m) is the great man of the people! He sucks public money out of every business he's ever been involved in, and turns it into private profit.
The second main pillar of conservative ideology, Laissez-faire, has over decades, crippled and crumbled our national infrastructure (rail, utilities, roads, health).and killed people when private industry then lie to protect their asset.( Grenfell is 1 vivid example, hydro carbon based pollution another kills.c 30,000 per annum in the uk according to official source ONS ). Time for change conservative ideology have buggered it all up for what, a failed belief that private industry can be trusted when customers see the failures laid bare. Fiscal policy is the other pillar which has seen UK debt double under their charge.
Avanti have absolutely trashed the west coast since they have come in when coming from london to the north i will always get a london north western service to crewe and get a northern service to Manchester the london north western services are so much nicer and aren’t constantly cancelled and you can usually get a seat on them
First Group should never have been given both Avant West Coast i and Transpennine Express franchises. They now have a monopoly on the Northern section of the West Coast mainline, hence they can charge passengers whatever they want, as their competitors are also owned and run by First Group!
Lol..... Branson is the absolute master at sucking public money out of businesses and turning it into his private profit. Avanti is in such a mess because of the business infrastructure they inherited on the WCML from Virgin.
Last time I checked the Department of transport issued the Rail contracts within the United Kingdom for the West Coast mainline, not the mayor of Greater Manchester, so Andy Burnham warning to the train operator company doesn’t matter because it’s the government's department for transport that are telling the companies not to negotiate. They’re the ones you give out the UK rail contracts
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Good. Avanti can go bust after what they did after taking over from Virgin trains. I used to enjoy taking a long ride from London to Penrith to visit the Lake District but I haven't been once since Avanti took over and hiked all the prices up
“Get Rich and Get Out” slogan from the Bank Job Game show on channel 4.. funny how true that is now.. Big firms in the rail industry currently are doing just that.. emery firms to.. to a point. Yep.. time to get rich and get out.. Hope you enjoy the money at our expense boys at the top!
Yet you don't even know they're name. It's Transport for London, not Travel for London. And no. They have just as many problems of their own, and zero experience in inter-city operations.
LOL. Should have got the bus,oh,wait, most of them have been axed. Does this mean it will be fixed? Lessons have been learned. Meanwhile,taxpayer money goes on utterly useless things. Like Liz Dross's lifetime security. It doesn't matter,though,its chump change, for them.
If they can’t afford life on their wages, how do people live earning a third of what they earn. In the 70s coal miners went on strike, they closed the coal mines. British leyland went on strike and they were closed down. See what is happening they will be gone.
@@freko106 all very well but the company I work for have told me that if I don’t turn up next Thursday I will be dismissed I have no other transport and if I lose my job I lose my home and family. If I take a taxi it will cost me more than the days pay to get to work and you expect me to have sympathy for them? I work on a self employed bases so have no job protection what they are doing is selfish and they deserve to be dismissed. As soon as I am able I will never use the rail service again
@@freko106 I work for myself on a contract which I will be in breach of again due to strikes I will be in a position within a month never to need the train again and will not use them as you can’t rely on them
@@Yo-ItsYo maybe so but I won’t need them after next week and I will never use the railway again after this along with thousands of other commuters that have had enough of being messed around by the entitled few. Let’s see how entitled they are when the service is no longer needed.
Nationalise it.
They've cheaped out for years on service, performance, and infrastructure; all the while charging extremely high fares compared to our European neighbours who have better service, performance, and infrastructure.
💯
LNER is already nationalised.
And it's doing quite well. Also it repainted their class 91 fleet into a good classic livery with a few minor changes.
Lol yeah govt monopolies are even more ineffieicnet
@@timothymarchant it's not about efficiency. It's about the profits that private companies extract, which nationalised utilities don't have to.
@@michaelrch okay buddy just read any history book on socialism. This is union issue
In the face of current climate situation it is mind boggling that the government keeps implementing policies that drive more and more people off public transport and towards driving cars.
Travelling by train already often takes longer due to the lack of East-to-West routes and you sacrifice a lot of your travel flexibility. Now that they are not only more expensive but also unreliable, it just makes taking the train an option most people avoid when possible.
Very true. But then the Tories are now talking about 130 new oil and gas leases, so they clearly don't give a flying fck about the climate emergency. Just another capitalist death cult...
I certainly won’t be using them again after next week that’s £500 a week they won’t be getting and about 80 of the people I work with won’t either.
What polices are these which are driving people away from the railway?
@@PrivateWalker cutting funding by £4 billion, raising prices and reducing services
@@michaelrch
Historically railway funding is at a high that's many times higher than BR ever received.
Also, which services did this government cut?
It's up to the service providers to adhere to the terms & conditions of their franchises.
And again the government has been fighting to keep the fares down. Train operating companies need to raise them due to the HUGE salaries of Drivers & the army of accountants being private requires.
It's not the government. Don't try political point scoring on a railway issue that should be laid at the unions feet.
Just another example of the shocking state of affairs in this country - this was a disaster waiting to happen. Instead of recruiting more drivers, they made up the shortfall by asking existing drivers to work more shifts, now that the drivers are no longer prepared to that, the whole thing has collapsed.
These private rail companies are amazing. Heads they win tails you lose. Private profits socialised losses.
@D C the miniscule amount of taxes on those profits due to them being redistributed within the company to shareholders is a drop in the ocean compared to the collective debt put on the tax payer in general when bailouts of failing companies happen. That's what socialised losses means.
privatized rail service in the UK is looking very successful 🤣🤣
It is for shareholders and management.
Shame the Labour leadership won't support nationalisation even when everyone is crying out for it.
Just like water, energy, post etc.
Privatised railway has done wonders in places like Japan that have some of the best rail infrastructure and services on the planet.
Our fragmented railways are half private and half public with infrastructure being completely run by incompetent Network Rail. We should learn from the Japanese and fully privatise the ENTIRE system.
@@JB27888 bring back Railtrack? yeah, that would go *really* well...
@@JB27888 we have ALREADY tried that, and 3 derailments ended up happening within 5 years
They can cut services because they've nearly tripled fares since taking over from Virgin Trains! and we pay the highest fares in Europe. It's cheaper to fly than to take the train. 30% of Avanti is Italian owned, so that's 30% of all profits going overseas ... Time to make the rail public owned.
Aventi engage in daylight robbery. Their prices are way too high
Then the drivers WOULD go on strike!
Public ownership again = the low pay during BR days. No way would they accept that!
Back around 1995 a driver was on about £5ph & relied on all sorts of very silly Victorian age bonuses to boost their pathetic pay.
Think they'd wish for those cheap scratchy nylon uniforms again? 🤣
Any public services, electricity, water, gaz, transport and telecommunications should never be privatised!
Privatizing a public service just gives you the benefits of neither and all the drawbacks of both public and private ownership
This is a failure to invest in more staff and training. By demanding staff work overtime they have forced up the cost of running the services to justify the inflated annual prices to make executive bonuses and dividends appear smaller. Staff have been forced to work overtime to cover their static pay which has had the effect of masking the degree to which executives are gouging the system. What has been compromised here is safety and it is not surprising with the scale of overtime.
Executives should be stripped of all bonuses and share options as they have clearly mismanaged the services. Meanwhile the government should renationalise all train service and scale up training for staff.
That is what levelling up looks like. It is certainly not gouging customers for ever poorer, unreliable and unsafe services.
Thatcher started the ride but when will we stop paying
She didn’t privatise rail
@@lupin8750 she started the privatisation trend though.
@@lupin8750 she started privatisation that’s the cause of this cost of living crisis & will cause kick off this winter
Thatcher was actually very sceptical about the privatisation of the British Rail sectors, one of the few privatisation schemes she didn't really support.
@@HexAyed it happened & then our train manufacturing companies closed that designed the Brilliant APT train that was sold to Italy
Yet another service gone backwards. It feels like every day we lose something else. A very sad state of affairs indeed
Damn! Andy Burnham is brilliant: "You either bring a plan to fix this or you get out"!
I am just wondering if we should hand the passengers a couple of scooters and wish them a nice ride to London. I'm not quite sure that would work... But I will remember Burnham's idea and I will remind it to Sadiq Khan regarding the TFL: "You either bring a plan to fix this or you get out"/ well Khan's role is more similar to the role of the CEO, so I might change the sentence to: "You had to fix it by now and you didn't, so you get out"!
Is any train service running well at the moment in the UK?
Northen seems to be running great since the dft take over same with lner
@@mccobsta And Last i checked Transport for wales was doing good with it owned by the welsh government now.
LNER is doing really well, as well as EMR and Chiltern Railways
The ones that the government has renationalised
Why on earth were Avanti trying to run the west coast mainline without enough staff in the first place? Not like overtime is cheaper!
It's clearly a failiure.
Even branson's company was better.
Avanti should be given an award this level of complete failure is impressive only bojo could be this much of a failure
June July August all local trains in Germany were 9£ a month flat fare....
Rail travel here in China is a pleasure by comparison.
Clean, reliable, efficient, regular and paperless tickets all sorted on the phone.
Just saying
I mean, the UK does paperless tickets for all companies, so
@@HexAyed Clean, reliable, efficient, regular
@@iainmackenzieUK I mean, depending on your operator and area, they're also Clean, reliable, efficient and regular.
This is what happens when you let the Italians and FirstGroup run something.
@@HexAyed OK. Thats interesting. And actually encouraging. :)
@@HexAyed well tickets on the phone are nice, but a good service is much higher up my list of priorities
Simon Calder (travel specialist) not too bright are you.. wtf has this got to do with the unions 🤦🤡
All the media stations for some reason are anti Union, anti pay rise, anti worker. I don't know what the logic is, but they've all agreed something with the government.
He's trying to pin it all on the lack of staff due to strike action rn. The irony is they're literally fighting for better working conditions to RETAIN staff in the future as well as make it reasonable to work there now.
If you were employed by BR (nobody worked!) You'd know about those unions!
Loved 😍 Manchester mayor's
When taxis can be cheaper than trains, you know something's wrong.
News: Manchester has had 3 trains cut to 1
Meanwhile Birmingham also has 1 now and Liverpool has had 1 train an hour for decades
All the the self rightous Southerners choose to live in Manchester tho, they need those 3 trains so they can keep driving up our housing prices, while working in London
Avanti West Coast are a company that is focused purely on Share Holders not passengars
when will this chaos stop?
Years after we renationalie the entire network
U can’t run it Avanti
give it back to virgin
Richard Branson
Hahaha..... like Branson (who sued our NHS for £100m) is the great man of the people! He sucks public money out of every business he's ever been involved in, and turns it into private profit.
Why trade one rich person for another? Why not have the workers run it?
Nationalise the railways have a transport policy
Nothing to do with the government. Contact the company..
The second main pillar of conservative ideology, Laissez-faire, has over decades, crippled and crumbled our national infrastructure (rail, utilities, roads, health).and killed people when private industry then lie to protect their asset.( Grenfell is 1 vivid example, hydro carbon based pollution another kills.c 30,000 per annum in the uk according to official source ONS ). Time for change conservative ideology have buggered it all up for what, a failed belief that private industry can be trusted when customers see the failures laid bare. Fiscal policy is the other pillar which has seen UK debt double under their charge.
1 train an hour, that’s enough as no one wants to go to London
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did another strike during these months ahead. Just needing more money from the government to pay these companies.
would be much cheaper to travel by car lol that shouldn't be that way
Nothing privatised, works.
Avanti have absolutely trashed the west coast since they have come in when coming from london to the north i will always get a london north western service to crewe and get a northern service to Manchester the london north western services are so much nicer and aren’t constantly cancelled and you can usually get a seat on them
First Group should never have been given both Avant West Coast i and Transpennine Express franchises. They now have a monopoly on the Northern section of the West Coast mainline, hence they can charge passengers whatever they want, as their competitors are also owned and run by First Group!
Nationalise
give the contract back to Virgin. At least they will do a better job and did for over 20 years.
Wasnt their fault they lost it in the first place
Lol..... Branson is the absolute master at sucking public money out of businesses and turning it into his private profit. Avanti is in such a mess because of the business infrastructure they inherited on the WCML from Virgin.
@@unkelartgarf3792 did you ever know Branson or work for him?? Obviously not. Media is not always right and he inherited nothing
virgin ec and wc were soo good
@@aceleraupmimster Virgin ec and Virgin wc were both in partnership with Stagecoach and it was that company that failed not Virgin. Check your facts
@@aceleraupmimster EC failed.
Since it replaced a government ran company that was doing REALLY well.
Why not recruit people like myself who want to be train operators
£17 for early May 2022, from London Euston to Liverpool. My Only ride of this year
This is what happens when you merge FirstGroup with Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane, What did they expect would happen?
Successful levelling up of Tories obviously!
These are the modern times, things just aren't like they used to be.
It was fine under Virgin/Stagecoach. Stop giving First train franchises
Last time I checked the Department of transport issued the Rail contracts within the United Kingdom for the West Coast mainline, not the mayor of Greater Manchester, so Andy Burnham warning to the train operator company doesn’t matter because it’s the government's department for transport that are telling the companies not to negotiate. They’re the ones you give out the UK rail contracts
Avanti is already showing it's a failed company.
If you haft to rely on worker's overtime to run services your doing it wrong.
Remove the contract!
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Good. Avanti can go bust after what they did after taking over from Virgin trains. I used to enjoy taking a long ride from London to Penrith to visit the Lake District but I haven't been once since Avanti took over and hiked all the prices up
Things have gotten a whole lot worse since then. Bring back Virgin Trains!
Branson will be rubbing his hands with glee at this…
I would happily be a driver for them if I was old enough🤣🤣🤣🤣
Andy Burnham with just another empty threat to a company that will just look at him and say "go on knobhead, threaten us and see where it gets you! "
Oh is that a problem that was not due to strikes? Was that a legit problem causing widespread disruption??
Double booking is Industry practice.
Love the manchester mayor xomplaining about avanti when its the freaking unions holding this up
It's time to get the rich.
“Get Rich and Get Out” slogan from the Bank Job Game show on channel 4.. funny how true that is now..
Big firms in the rail industry currently are doing just that..
emery firms to.. to a point.
Yep.. time to get rich and get out..
Hope you enjoy the money at our expense boys at the top!
Is it a strike for Avanti workers or are they just refusing to do overtime. 🤔
Work to rule - no overtime.
One has to wonder if they ever slept!
bent politician calls for bigger government.....😅
Trains in this country are a joke. You go to Europe and it's all virtually state run, cheaper and it works.
Don’t worry HS2 is being built 🤦🏼♂️
Well it’s nice to levelling-up going so well.
Northern Powerhouse!
Get a car init
Cars are bad for the environment and take up more space. Public transport is better but it needs to be improved.
@@hmalik5232 🤡🌍 😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣 🧂❄
Is it really that easy rn to just get a car?
@@LifesAbe-ach of course you haven't got a leg to stand as far as reason and facts go, so you'll just use your stupid emojis, I see how it is
Andy for PM
Switzerland knows how to do trains very efficiently. Britain needs to take a few cues from them.
I mean we are buying more and more trains from stadler.
@@davidty2006 That's a start. 🙂
Travel for London (TfL) should expand to the whole country, theyre far more efficient than these lot
Yet you don't even know they're name. It's Transport for London, not Travel for London. And no. They have just as many problems of their own, and zero experience in inter-city operations.
Only thing thats the country can do with is Oyster but for the ENTIRE country.
Also the companies being nationalized.
@@unkelartgarf3792 they aren't perfect but whenever I go to London, at least you enjoy a proper functioning rail service
😂😂😂 payed £200 ukno
Just hate Avanti
Make unions illegal by law
Then they'll just go on illegal strikes
Or even worse equipment will be sabotaged and destroyed.
Hahaha that's a funny joke, you should try stand up.
@@veryfitting No joke.
@@davidty2006 Call in the police
@@guff9567 Then the police get attacked leading them killed or injured.
BRING BACK VIRGIN!!!
Tories are expensive.
LOL. Should have got the bus,oh,wait, most of them have been axed. Does this mean it will be fixed? Lessons have been learned. Meanwhile,taxpayer money goes on utterly useless things. Like Liz Dross's lifetime security. It doesn't matter,though,its chump change, for them.
Rich lot its fine, higher price is good for the economy
Hark! The Blessings of Tory-led privatisation! Hahaha! Enjoy the RIDE!!! Oh dear! Hahaha!
Whatever happened to Greta thunberg
Sikhism innocent 😇
And about the blacqs and Mohameds?
Kids all gorgeous 😍🤩 innocent 😇😇😇😇😇
Buddhist innocent 😇
I support the unions and the right to a livable standard of pay. A full time worker should be able to afford a home. 🚆 🚌 🚢.
If they can’t afford life on their wages, how do people live earning a third of what they earn. In the 70s coal miners went on strike, they closed the coal mines. British leyland went on strike and they were closed down. See what is happening they will be gone.
@@freko106 all very well but the company I work for have told me that if I don’t turn up next Thursday I will be dismissed I have no other transport and if I lose my job I lose my home and family. If I take a taxi it will cost me more than the days pay to get to work and you expect me to have sympathy for them? I work on a self employed bases so have no job protection what they are doing is selfish and they deserve to be dismissed. As soon as I am able I will never use the rail service again
@@freko106 I work for myself on a contract which I will be in breach of again due to strikes I will be in a position within a month never to need the train again and will not use them as you can’t rely on them
@@iainmillington904 shouldn't have agreed to such a shoddy contract buddy. Your fault.
@@Yo-ItsYo maybe so but I won’t need them after next week and I will never use the railway again after this along with thousands of other commuters that have had enough of being messed around by the entitled few. Let’s see how entitled they are when the service is no longer needed.