Great to hear that Vatic owner came through with his goal to bring top level quality paddles to people for 100 bucks. I have been playing the Flash 16mm since its release.
I’m using onix z5 and I love it but want to get a modern paddle. What power single paddle are you high on? I’ve tried the head tour co and prism flash and they didn’t blow me away
Great review. Basically this is similar to a Joola Vision with foam inject added (or just a lighter weight Hyperion). I have the Vision which I really like but may consider one of these for my next paddle, unless I decide to try a thermoformed paddle.
I am planning on buying some lead tape and playing around with it as it is my first time. I usually just play with the paddle stock. I know lead tape is kind of subjective to the person, but I just wanted to know how you would set up the prism-flash in terms of how much lead to use/location, as well as if you personally use some sort of tape to go over the paddle or if that is not super necessary.
@@derricksumampong2236 I have kept playing with the Prism-Flash and have added the lightweight tape to the bottom two corners and a small strip on top.
what does the paddle come to weigh to after you put on your lead tape? i bought the 1 inch = 2 grams lead and just want to try something similar to your configuration, and then adjust from there.
@@pickleballeffect also, I think this paddle is definitely ideal when playing with a durafast. I played with franklins yesterday and it's hard to generate lots of power from the baseline. it seems almost necessary to have lead if you're playing with that ball, haha. I'm guessing you playtest all your paddles with a dura ball? Wish more people played dura in my area :(
thanks Brayden...great review...I think this would be a great high performance paddle for a new player who wants alot of the bells and whistles without the price of the top paddles
Just got this paddle. It's an awesome deal. Great balance of pwr and soft game, and doesn't have the head heaviness of the Hyperian. Basically much better paddle than the Hyperian for half the price.
Thanks, Im just undecided between the longer handle or standard. Im new to the game and got a standard Joola at Target on sale but after trying it the handle at just 5 inch is a bit short but like the 14mm paddle given wrist surgery on that hand. Im considering going with the longer one to have 2 options of paddles. What are your thoughts?
Have Gruvn r16e, love it for its power for serves and drives, its a little head heavy, but i have no issues with that, i use no lead tape or overgrip, i like it stock, i can tighten or loosen my grip at will. my soft game resets are also great, i may lose a couple hand battles here and there, but i get more wins over my power game. Im thinking v7 will act like my Gruvn at less of a cost?
Yes, the only major difference between the two paddles is that the prism flash has the foam injection around the perimeter and the gruvn doesn’t which is actually an upgrade from the gruvn and it’s still less expensive. It would be a natural transition for you and I think you’d like it.
It does have a good feel to it that seems to dampen vibrations well and would be arm friendly that way but the V7 model is a bit head heavy and because it's a control paddle you have to put a little extra into it to generate power which makes it less arm friendly. The Flash model however is lighter and would be easier to manage that way.
I don’t always prefer 14s over 16s but if it’s a good 14 then I like them more for their finishing power at the net and the lower ball flight trajectory on bigger swings.
I have the prism flash and love the control. I’m looking to add lead tape to increase power on drives. How much lead tape and what locations do you recommend I add it to?
I added some tape later too for the same reason. I used lighter lead tape and added some on the the bottom two corners and then a small strip on the tip.
I really don’t know if I want the V7 or Flash, my current paddle is a beginner one that’s between 9.5-10.5oz, which seems a lot heavier than both options. I’m just not sure which one I should choose, any help?
Since you're already used to the heavier weight I would go with the V7, it's a little more stable and will give you a touch more power and will still feel light to you.
Question? Do you play with the paddle grip circumference as is typically 4 1/4” or do you build them up to say 4 3/8” I ask because I’ve only played with the engage pursuit MX and it’s 4 3/8” stock. I’ve switched to the vatic flash and it’s 4 1/4” feels small to me obviously but thinking I’ll just get used to it hopefully without trying to build it up.
I play with an overgrip on every paddle regardless of the size. Not with the intention of building it up I just like the feeling of a fresh grip all the time. I personally prefer grips around 4.25” though before I put the over grip on.
Love your review! Do you know if the Flash Prism has more power than the Joola Vision? Or how it compares in power/control to the CRBN1 14mm (the original Crbn, not the power X series)? Thanks!
I didn't do a video review for that one but I did do a written review you can check out here, pickleballeffect.com/equipment-reviews/what-is-the-crbn-3x/. I do carry that one in my store so if you're interested you can pick it up at discount using the code 10EFFECT.
Hey Braydon, how would you compare these paddles against the Ronbus Nova? Looking to buy a foam injected mold for my next paddle and trying to decide between these 2 brands. Thanks!
Just depends what you're looking for. The Prism series are pure control paddles and help you slow the ball down and reduce pop ups in every scenario whereas the Pro series are more all-court style paddles that give you more pop and offense but are also a little more challenging to control when you're getting attacked or are stretched out. If you have a good sense of touch then go with the Pro series for the added offense but if you need help controlling the ball and reducing errors then the Prism series is good route.
Hi so Ive been trying to decide between the prism flash and the neonic flow, How do these compare or differ between the 2 and would you recommend 1 over the other. Im a 3.5 player Thanks
I owm a Vatic prism V7, and recently added a Neonic force (I prefer elongated shape paddles). After playing with both, I feel that they are very similar control type paddles, except force has slightly more pop and lighter. V7 probably has a little better control though. Honestly it is hard to pick one over another. I constantly switching playing with either paddle. They are both great. Although not exactly answering your question, but hope it gives you some ideas about paddles from these two companies.
If you’re liking the icon v1 then you’d probably like the Thermoformed Flash over the Prism-Flash. The feel of the Icon is very firm while the prism-flash is on the complete other end of the spectrum soft. The thermoformed flash is in the middle of those two. I carry both Flash models on my site if you’re interested in picking one up. Use code 10EFFECT for a discount and I do the free returns thing in case it doesn’t work out.
interesting paddle. I see the Joola's everything but never used them. How would you compare it to the Engage Pursuit EX 6.0. I have plenty of power so I like the Pursuit EX 6.0 for the nice touch/control.
@@RobPauley I thought the 14 had a decent amount of control, but was really surprised at the power it has. The ball flies off it like a rocket compared to my Paddleteks, Ronbus R1 16 and Bison Rampage. The Vatic Prism Flash 14 has LOTS of spin, but that should be common to both. The balance is great and it is lightweight for faster hand movement. I have not tried the 16, but it still has a low swingweight of 114-115 (according to tests). The 16mm twist weight is 6.4 (moderate). I would say the twist weight of the 14mm is lower than that and I noticed it spinning in my hand more than some of my heavier paddles. The sweet spot on the 14mm was better than my Ronbus or my Bison Rampage. It would not surprise me that the sweet spot on the 16mm is even bigger.
I have two of them. One is 8.3oz and I don’t put any tape on it. The other is 8oz and I did add tape to the bottom two corners to get it to about 8.3oz.
@@mikeshapiro74Hey Mike, thanks for using my code, I'm glad you found a paddle. I know they do take weight requests. Email their support team here, support@vaticpro.com, share your order number and request and I'm sure they will take care of you.
Thanks for the response. One more question I know play styles vary do you think it’s better just to order a heavier weight paddle or just get what I get and then add lead tape or if you think the Prism would benefit from being heavier just to get it that way out of the box?
Both are good and play similar with the main difference being weight. If you like lighter then go with flash and if you like some weight then go with the v7. Most people prefer the Flash.
If you’re looking for more of an all-court type paddle that has a blend of power and control then spend the extra $40. If you’re looking for maximum control, then stick with the Prism Flash.
@@pickleballeffect Thanks for the quick response! i was just ready to move the next step up in paddles but it felt the power was lacking in my drives no matter how hard it was with the joola essential paddle ik thats a beginner paddle it was still fast but slow enough to read so now im on the journey to look for a better paddle bc i want to start competing. Would u say the flash paddle would the best for decent control and power or are there other options under $150 that would be a better choice
@@LacuzziJ sounds like the Flash would be a good pick for you. You won’t find a better option under $150 with the same level of spin and all-court playability. If you’re interested, use code 10EFFECT for a discount on Vatic’s website.
@@pickleballeffect i was looking for something between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 paddles and this seamed to hit the spot. I just find the thermoformed paddles too stiff but many Gen 1 paddles hit like pillows. Thanks for the review and code
@@pickleballeffect received my Flash today. Came in at 7.97 oz. Added 2 overgrips and some lead tape on the sides to get it up to my preferred weight of 8.5 oz. Originally put the lead on the top corners but felt it moved the sweet spot too high for my liking. Hoping to play in the next few days. I’ll check back after I do.
I’ve had trouble cross-court dinking with the Vatic Prism Flash whereas I’ve had better results in that area with the CRBN2, CRBN 1x and Engage Pursuit MX 6.0. Maybe I need to add lead tape to the neck?
The 1x and engage are quite a bit poppier than the prism flash. It could be that your dinking form is better served with a poppier or more powerful paddle.
I wondered the same thing...here is the answer I received: These small surface inconsistencies are a byproduct of the thermoforming process, which we use to manufacture our paddles. A fine wet cloth is heat-pressed over the carbon fiber surface for several hours to texturize the surface. Please note with our paddles, the roughness of the surface and what you can feel by touch do not indicate how much spin it can generate, as the weaving is present on a microscopic level. A finer carbon fiber surface can even generate more spin than a surface that feels highly gritty. Although we take every measure to minimize variance, they may still occur due to the nature of the process.
Having just bought one myself, I doubt your Uncle is going to be enthusiastic of letting his go... I concur 100% with this review and have found the Prism Flash to be a solid hitter, stable & forgiving and a SPIN MACHINE... the ball behaves like it's possessed and dips & dives in response to cuts and tops... This might be my favorite paddle in my quiver of Gruvn's, but I understand they also will be releasing new products soon....
Thermoformed paddles have foam too but undergo a different construction process that involves a lot more heat and pressure that makes paddles stiffer and more powerful than non thermoformed paddles.
Great review. I noticed Vatic Pro says the Flash has unibody construction so that should make the handle strong. They also say "Surface - Raw TORAY T700 Carbon Fiber with heat compressed texturing". I wonder what that last part means? My wild guess ... perhaps they're using the same "prepreg" face material as their thermoformed paddles which is a dry layup that requires heating to cure the prepreg's glue. But instead of a mold, it might just be a heated press for the sandwich. Or maybe all gen1 sandwich paddles have always been manufactured this way and Vatic is just hyping? Anyone know? Looking forward to demo'ing the Prism.
Braydon, How does Prism Flash 16 MM compare with original Ronbus R1.16. Is there more power? I have the Robus R1.16 and really like the control, and the swingweight cause I am getting over Tennis Elbow. I know I don't want the V7, but I am wondering if I should buy the Prism Flash to get a little more power without pushing my arm too hard.
The Prism Flash sounds like it fits the bill well for what you need. It has a touch more power and is more stable than the R1.16. Very similar feel and control and the swingweight is very manageable and won't aggravate your elbow any more than the R1.16 would. You can even request a lighter weight on Vatic Pro's website at checkout just to be safe too.
I got the Vatic Prism Flash 16 and I love the lower swing weight versus CRBN 1x, the paddle I was playing with when I got tennis elbow. I like its relative softness. But, I think the forgiveness and sweet spot is much less than the (Lite ) Engage Pursuit MX Pro 6.0 I have which is of course a longer face, and a longer handle. ThT is a paddle that even does more of the work for you. I’m using it play non-dominant hand for now as my dominant hand recovers. I’ll keep trying the Vatic Prism Flash but if anyone has a rec for a low swing weight paddle that has a larger sweet spot let me know.
How do the Prisms compare to their leading competitor, the Ronbus R1.16 and R3.16? They are nearly the same price and seem to be very similar non-thermoformed raw carbon-faced paddles. Thanks!
Those don’t have the foam injection and the Prisms do. The foam improves forgiveness, power, and gives the paddles more of a dense, plush feel. I personally prefer the Prisms over the gen 1 sandwich paddles like those Ronbus ones. However, the Ronbus R3.16 is much lighter than the Prism-V7 so if you don’t like the extra weight and want that true elongated shape then the R3.16 would be the route to go.
I have a ronbus r1 and I really like it, but I just got the prism flash and I prefer it even more. It just feels a bit better. Hits a little harder and is better for the soft game as well. Both great paddles but I like the prism more.
Great content! What would you recommend between the flash and V7? I am a former tennis player and have been using the OG Franklin Ben Johns paddle for 2 years now. It’s fine but the face has gone smooth and sweet spot feels small at times, so I am looking to upgrade. I have no problem producing my own power and place more value on spin and control. Thanks!
The main difference between the two is weight. The V7 is weighted similar to the OG Ben Johns so if you like the balance and feel of that one then go with the V7 but if you want something lighter then go with the Flash.
@@pickleballeffect Appreciate the help! I think I could get used to either of the weights considering I only have experience with one paddle and they all feel very light compared to a tennis racket. I am leaning flash since I mainly play doubles and spend as much time as I can at the kitchen line. Wondering if flash + lead tape might give me the best of both worlds.
@@Gaviota84 I’m having the same problem. I’m no pickleball pro, but whatever the antonym for “pop” is, is what I would use to describe my Vatic. I own 10 different paddles and the Vatic is the softest hitting one by far.
@@davejohnson8338 I’m really alloyed and feel dumb for buying into all this message board and expert hype. I’m telling you my entry level onix absolutely blows the doors off the Vatic.
I have some lightweight strips on the bottom two corners and some edge guard tape on there now which added like .3oz. Here’s the edge guard tape I use, a.co/d/huM5h3b. But the weight didn’t change much. You could go without it.
Love the review! I switched from a Legacy Pro to the Flash Prism and my soft game/resets have improved!
Nice, I’m glad to hear you had a good experience with it too. These could blow up.
Great to hear that Vatic owner came through with his goal to bring top level quality paddles to people for 100 bucks. I have been playing the Flash 16mm since its release.
I agree, I love what they are doing. Good stuff.
I’m using onix z5 and I love it but want to get a modern paddle. What power single paddle are you high on? I’ve tried the head tour co and prism flash and they didn’t blow me away
@@Gaviota84 Yeah, those aren't power paddles so I see why they didn't blow you away. Check out the ProKennex Black Ace - bit.ly/3rueBtZ.
@@pickleballeffect would you consider onix evoke premier raw carbon 10mm power paddle?
@@Gaviota84 yes
Just received and started playing with a VP Prism Flash. I am loving this paddle! Feels great in the hand and the sweet spot is huge!
Nice! Glad to hear you’re liking it.
awesome, informative, and effective breakdown. I like the comparison with the higher end, CFS.
Thanks for watching. Loved your Julian documentary. Really good footage of the games. I wish I had your video skills.
Great review. Basically this is similar to a Joola Vision with foam inject added (or just a lighter weight Hyperion). I have the Vision which I really like but may consider one of these for my next paddle, unless I decide to try a thermoformed paddle.
Yep, that sums it up ha.
Just bought the prism-flash from your site, thanks for the great review!
I am planning on buying some lead tape and playing around with it as it is my first time. I usually just play with the paddle stock. I know lead tape is kind of subjective to the person, but I just wanted to know how you would set up the prism-flash in terms of how much lead to use/location, as well as if you personally use some sort of tape to go over the paddle or if that is not super necessary.
Thanks for the support :)
@@derricksumampong2236 I have kept playing with the Prism-Flash and have added the lightweight tape to the bottom two corners and a small strip on top.
what does the paddle come to weigh to after you put on your lead tape? i bought the 1 inch = 2 grams lead and just want to try something similar to your configuration, and then adjust from there.
@@pickleballeffect also, I think this paddle is definitely ideal when playing with a durafast. I played with franklins yesterday and it's hard to generate lots of power from the baseline. it seems almost necessary to have lead if you're playing with that ball, haha. I'm guessing you playtest all your paddles with a dura ball? Wish more people played dura in my area :(
thanks Brayden...great review...I think this would be a great high performance paddle for a new player who wants alot of the bells and whistles without the price of the top paddles
For sure, the value of these things is tough to beat.
Just got this paddle. It's an awesome deal.
Great balance of pwr and soft game, and doesn't have the head heaviness of the Hyperian. Basically much better paddle than the Hyperian for half the price.
Exactly lol
Great review as usual,keep the good work….
Thanks, Im just undecided between the longer handle or standard. Im new to the game and got a standard Joola at Target on sale but after trying it the handle at just 5 inch is a bit short but like the 14mm paddle given wrist surgery on that hand. Im considering going with the longer one to have 2 options of paddles. What are your thoughts?
It's always great to watch one of your reviews when you're so stoked on the paddle that you're "frothing" (Aussie slang for very enthusiastic) Thanks!
Excellent review! I am just getting ready to start pickleball and researching best paddle for me. Thank you for the review and help.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice review 🎉
great review vid as always thx
Have Gruvn r16e, love it for its power for serves and drives, its a little head heavy, but i have no issues with that, i use no lead tape or overgrip, i like it stock, i can tighten or loosen my grip at will. my soft game resets are also great, i may lose a couple hand battles here and there, but i get more wins over my power game. Im thinking v7 will act like my Gruvn at less of a cost?
Yes, the only major difference between the two paddles is that the prism flash has the foam injection around the perimeter and the gruvn doesn’t which is actually an upgrade from the gruvn and it’s still less expensive. It would be a natural transition for you and I think you’d like it.
Great review! Thanks.
Great review. Would you consider the v7 to be arm friendly, when it comes to tennis elbow?
It does have a good feel to it that seems to dampen vibrations well and would be arm friendly that way but the V7 model is a bit head heavy and because it's a control paddle you have to put a little extra into it to generate power which makes it less arm friendly. The Flash model however is lighter and would be easier to manage that way.
Question, why you said you prefer 14mm than 16, what's the difference
I don’t always prefer 14s over 16s but if it’s a good 14 then I like them more for their finishing power at the net and the lower ball flight trajectory on bigger swings.
I have the prism flash and love the control. I’m looking to add lead tape to increase power on drives. How much lead tape and what locations do you recommend I add it to?
I added some tape later too for the same reason. I used lighter lead tape and added some on the the bottom two corners and then a small strip on the tip.
Compare to the Ronbus R1 and R3, witch one did you like better,Vatic or Ronbus and Why…
I like the Prism series more because the injected foam makes them more stable and adds a little power.
I have a ronbus r1 and just got the prism flash and I prefer the flash. Like he said, feels a bit softer and hits a little harder than the ronbus.
I really don’t know if I want the V7 or Flash, my current paddle is a beginner one that’s between 9.5-10.5oz, which seems a lot heavier than both options. I’m just not sure which one I should choose, any help?
Since you're already used to the heavier weight I would go with the V7, it's a little more stable and will give you a touch more power and will still feel light to you.
@@pickleballeffect Great, thank you!
Question? Do you play with the paddle grip circumference as is typically 4 1/4” or do you build them up to say 4 3/8” I ask because I’ve only played with the engage pursuit MX and it’s 4 3/8” stock. I’ve switched to the vatic flash and it’s 4 1/4” feels small to me obviously but thinking I’ll just get used to it hopefully without trying to build it up.
I play with an overgrip on every paddle regardless of the size. Not with the intention of building it up I just like the feeling of a fresh grip all the time. I personally prefer grips around 4.25” though before I put the over grip on.
Love your review! Do you know if the Flash Prism has more power than the Joola Vision? Or how it compares in power/control to the CRBN1 14mm (the original Crbn, not the power X series)? Thanks!
It’s like in between those two paddles. More than the Vision but less than the crbn 14mm.
@@pickleballeffect thanks! I’ll look forward to a flash prism 14 mm then, hopefully 🤞
Thanks!
Can you do a review of the CRBN 3x next
I didn't do a video review for that one but I did do a written review you can check out here, pickleballeffect.com/equipment-reviews/what-is-the-crbn-3x/. I do carry that one in my store so if you're interested you can pick it up at discount using the code 10EFFECT.
@@pickleballeffect thank you I’ll take a look
Hey Braydon, how would you compare these paddles against the Ronbus Nova? Looking to buy a foam injected mold for my next paddle and trying to decide between these 2 brands. Thanks!
I haven’t hit that one yet and I don’t even see it on their site so I can’t see the specs. All I know is that the Prisms are solid ha
Do you mean Pulsar?
Would you recommend the pro series over the prism series
Thanks
Just depends what you're looking for. The Prism series are pure control paddles and help you slow the ball down and reduce pop ups in every scenario whereas the Pro series are more all-court style paddles that give you more pop and offense but are also a little more challenging to control when you're getting attacked or are stretched out. If you have a good sense of touch then go with the Pro series for the added offense but if you need help controlling the ball and reducing errors then the Prism series is good route.
@@pickleballeffect okay thank you 👍🏼
Hi so Ive been trying to decide between the prism flash and the neonic flow,
How do these compare or differ between the 2 and would you recommend 1 over the other.
Im a 3.5 player
Thanks
I owm a Vatic prism V7, and recently added a Neonic force (I prefer elongated shape paddles). After playing with both, I feel that they are very similar control type paddles, except force has slightly more pop and lighter. V7 probably has a little better control though. Honestly it is hard to pick one over another. I constantly switching playing with either paddle. They are both great. Although not exactly answering your question, but hope it gives you some ideas about paddles from these two companies.
@@malycw7903 thanks, I actually ended up buying a J2ti and liking that at the moment, might add a vatic or force on black friday haha
Great review. I have been looking at the vatic flash and Vatic flash prism. I’m currently playing with an icon v1. Which paddle would you go with?
If you’re liking the icon v1 then you’d probably like the Thermoformed Flash over the Prism-Flash. The feel of the Icon is very firm while the prism-flash is on the complete other end of the spectrum soft. The thermoformed flash is in the middle of those two. I carry both Flash models on my site if you’re interested in picking one up. Use code 10EFFECT for a discount and I do the free returns thing in case it doesn’t work out.
any discount code available for amazon buy in canada ?@@pickleballeffect
interesting paddle. I see the Joola's everything but never used them. How would you compare it to the Engage Pursuit EX 6.0. I have plenty of power so I like the Pursuit EX 6.0 for the nice touch/control.
The Pursuit EX 6.0 is actually pretty poppy and gives you more power than the Prisms’ will.
Thanks for the review on the Prisms I hope they will offer the Prism Flash in a 14mm.
I imagine they will, I’d be all over that.
They have it in 14mm - I have one.
I'm deciding between 14 and 16 flash prism. any suggestions?
@@RobPauley I thought the 14 had a decent amount of control, but was really surprised at the power it has. The ball flies off it like a rocket compared to my Paddleteks, Ronbus R1 16 and Bison Rampage. The Vatic Prism Flash 14 has LOTS of spin, but that should be common to both. The balance is great and it is lightweight for faster hand movement.
I have not tried the 16, but it still has a low swingweight of 114-115 (according to tests). The 16mm twist weight is 6.4 (moderate). I would say the twist weight of the 14mm is lower than that and I noticed it spinning in my hand more than some of my heavier paddles.
The sweet spot on the 14mm was better than my Ronbus or my Bison Rampage. It would not surprise me that the sweet spot on the 16mm is even bigger.
did you put lead tape on the vatic flash?
I have two of them. One is 8.3oz and I don’t put any tape on it. The other is 8oz and I did add tape to the bottom two corners to get it to about 8.3oz.
Just used your code to order my own Prism Flash when you order it can you request how much it weighs or is it just random?
@@mikeshapiro74Hey Mike, thanks for using my code, I'm glad you found a paddle. I know they do take weight requests. Email their support team here, support@vaticpro.com, share your order number and request and I'm sure they will take care of you.
Thanks for the response. One more question I know play styles vary do you think it’s better just to order a heavier weight paddle or just get what I get and then add lead tape or if you think the Prism would benefit from being heavier just to get it that way out of the box?
@@mikeshapiro74 either way works. I have an 8oz one that I added weight to and 8.3oz one that I didn’t add weight to. Both play very similar.
Do they come with a paddle cover if I order from your site?
Yes!
Cool, I just ordered one. I bought one for my daughter a couple weeks ago and now I want one. I like it more than my viva pro 14mm
@@ChuckDeuce15412 Nice!
Have you or anyone here tried the prism flash 14mm? I have the 16mm and curious if the 14 is much different
Yeah, the 14 is lighter, moves faster, and hits a little harder. Not quite as good of control and not quite as forgiving as the 16.
Which one is better the Prism Flash or V7?
Both are good and play similar with the main difference being weight. If you like lighter then go with flash and if you like some weight then go with the v7. Most people prefer the Flash.
Is it worth spending the extra $40 for the vatic flash 16mm over the vatic prism flash?
If you’re looking for more of an all-court type paddle that has a blend of power and control then spend the extra $40. If you’re looking for maximum control, then stick with the Prism Flash.
@@pickleballeffect Thanks for the quick response! i was just ready to move the next step up in paddles but it felt the power was lacking in my drives no matter how hard it was with the joola essential paddle ik thats a beginner paddle it was still fast but slow enough to read so now im on the journey to look for a better paddle bc i want to start competing. Would u say the flash paddle would the best for decent control and power or are there other options under $150 that would be a better choice
@@LacuzziJ sounds like the Flash would be a good pick for you. You won’t find a better option under $150 with the same level of spin and all-court playability. If you’re interested, use code 10EFFECT for a discount on Vatic’s website.
@@pickleballeffect will definitely use that code when the time comes thank you so much for all your help youve helped me make up my mind!
Vatic Pro Prism Flash or the Hyperion CAS 16 for a beginner?
Prism Flash. The two paddles play similar but the Flash is a little easier to control and gives you more spin.
Great review.
I saw you ordered the Prism-Flash! Let me know what you think once you get a few hits.
@@pickleballeffect i was looking for something between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 paddles and this seamed to hit the spot. I just find the thermoformed paddles too stiff but many Gen 1 paddles hit like pillows. Thanks for the review and code
@@evanc1974 nice, yeah, this could hit the spot.
@@pickleballeffect received my Flash today. Came in at 7.97 oz. Added 2 overgrips and some lead tape on the sides to get it up to my preferred weight of 8.5 oz. Originally put the lead on the top corners but felt it moved the sweet spot too high for my liking. Hoping to play in the next few days. I’ll check back after I do.
@@evanc1974 Looking forward to your thoughts. A lot of them have been coming in at the 8 oz weight.
I’ve had trouble cross-court dinking with the Vatic Prism Flash whereas I’ve had better results in that area with the CRBN2, CRBN 1x and Engage Pursuit MX 6.0. Maybe I need to add lead tape to the neck?
The 1x and engage are quite a bit poppier than the prism flash. It could be that your dinking form is better served with a poppier or more powerful paddle.
@@pickleballeffect Maybe the pop is making up for what is a bad stroke on my part. 😆
@@ginjavision4058 ha idk but it seems to be helping.
Just got my vatic pro prism flash today - one side is rough to the touch while the other side is smooth… is that normal?
No, that’s not normal. I’d reach out to them and get a replacement.
I wondered the same thing...here is the answer I received:
These small surface inconsistencies are a byproduct of the thermoforming process, which we use to manufacture our paddles. A fine wet cloth is heat-pressed over the carbon fiber surface for several hours to texturize the surface. Please note with our paddles, the roughness of the surface and what you can feel by touch do not indicate how much spin it can generate, as the weaving is present on a microscopic level. A finer carbon fiber surface can even generate more spin than a surface that feels highly gritty.
Although we take every measure to minimize variance, they may still occur due to the nature of the process.
My uncle just bought one but hasn’t let me try it out yet 🤦🏼♂️
Ha why he be like that
Having just bought one myself, I doubt your Uncle is going to be enthusiastic of letting his go... I concur 100% with this review and have found the Prism Flash to be a solid hitter, stable & forgiving and a SPIN MACHINE... the ball behaves like it's possessed and dips & dives in response to cuts and tops...
This might be my favorite paddle in my quiver of Gruvn's, but I understand they also will be releasing new products soon....
What’s the diff between thermoformed and foam injected?
Thermoformed paddles have foam too but undergo a different construction process that involves a lot more heat and pressure that makes paddles stiffer and more powerful than non thermoformed paddles.
Flash or V7 for a beginner ?
Flash
Great review. I noticed Vatic Pro says the Flash has unibody construction so that should make the handle strong. They also say "Surface - Raw TORAY T700 Carbon Fiber with heat compressed texturing". I wonder what that last part means? My wild guess ... perhaps they're using the same "prepreg" face material as their thermoformed paddles which is a dry layup that requires heating to cure the prepreg's glue. But instead of a mold, it might just be a heated press for the sandwich. Or maybe all gen1 sandwich paddles have always been manufactured this way and Vatic is just hyping? Anyone know? Looking forward to demo'ing the Prism.
I imagine it's the same as the gen 1 sandwich paddles but they are just saying it differently ha.
Braydon, How does Prism Flash 16 MM compare with original Ronbus R1.16. Is there more power? I have the Robus R1.16 and really like the control, and the swingweight cause I am getting over Tennis Elbow. I know I don't want the V7, but I am wondering if I should buy the Prism Flash to get a little more power without pushing my arm too hard.
The Prism Flash sounds like it fits the bill well for what you need. It has a touch more power and is more stable than the R1.16. Very similar feel and control and the swingweight is very manageable and won't aggravate your elbow any more than the R1.16 would. You can even request a lighter weight on Vatic Pro's website at checkout just to be safe too.
Just went from the ronbus r1 to the prism flash and I don’t regret it. Get one!
I got the Vatic Prism Flash 16 and I love the lower swing weight versus CRBN 1x, the paddle I was playing with when I got tennis elbow. I like its relative softness. But, I think the forgiveness and sweet spot is much less than the (Lite
) Engage Pursuit MX Pro 6.0 I have which is of course a longer face, and a longer handle. ThT is a paddle that even does more of the work for you. I’m using it play non-dominant hand for now as my dominant hand recovers. I’ll keep trying the Vatic Prism Flash but if anyone has a rec for a low swing weight paddle that has a larger sweet spot let me know.
Look at Vatic Pros regular Flash, not the Prism Flash. It’s thermoformed like the 1x but with a lower swing weight like the Prism Flash.
How do the Prisms compare to their leading competitor, the Ronbus R1.16 and R3.16? They are nearly the same price and seem to be very similar non-thermoformed raw carbon-faced paddles.
Thanks!
Those don’t have the foam injection and the Prisms do. The foam improves forgiveness, power, and gives the paddles more of a dense, plush feel. I personally prefer the Prisms over the gen 1 sandwich paddles like those Ronbus ones. However, the Ronbus R3.16 is much lighter than the Prism-V7 so if you don’t like the extra weight and want that true elongated shape then the R3.16 would be the route to go.
I have a ronbus r1 and I really like it, but I just got the prism flash and I prefer it even more. It just feels a bit better. Hits a little harder and is better for the soft game as well. Both great paddles but I like the prism more.
Great content! What would you recommend between the flash and V7? I am a former tennis player and have been using the OG Franklin Ben Johns paddle for 2 years now. It’s fine but the face has gone smooth and sweet spot feels small at times, so I am looking to upgrade. I have no problem producing my own power and place more value on spin and control. Thanks!
The main difference between the two is weight. The V7 is weighted similar to the OG Ben Johns so if you like the balance and feel of that one then go with the V7 but if you want something lighter then go with the Flash.
@@pickleballeffect Appreciate the help! I think I could get used to either of the weights considering I only have experience with one paddle and they all feel very light compared to a tennis racket. I am leaning flash since I mainly play doubles and spend as much time as I can at the kitchen line. Wondering if flash + lead tape might give me the best of both worlds.
@@Woopigmavs That's the set up I would personally go with. Especially for doubles since the Flash is more forgiving.
The ball just randomly dying like what happened a couple times in this video, is an issue I'm consistently having with my Vatic.
I had zero power with this paddle like I couldn’t believe why it’s been hyped up so much. It’s bizarre
@@Gaviota84 I’m having the same problem. I’m no pickleball pro, but whatever the antonym for “pop” is, is what I would use to describe my Vatic. I own 10 different paddles and the Vatic is the softest hitting one by far.
@@davejohnson8338 I’m really alloyed and feel dumb for buying into all this message board and expert hype. I’m telling you my entry level onix absolutely blows the doors off the Vatic.
Have you added any lead tape to this paddle ? Or it is not warranted.
I have some lightweight strips on the bottom two corners and some edge guard tape on there now which added like .3oz. Here’s the edge guard tape I use, a.co/d/huM5h3b. But the weight didn’t change much. You could go without it.