I currently use a J2K Pro; tried a TF3 yesterday and will be using it in my league play this morning, the weight of min was 7.9oz and the swing weight and balance point felt similar to my J2Kpro. The main difference that I could tell was TF3 had more power and spin. I think the big selling point of the Genesis TF is that the paddle will last a long time and be consistent from the first day to the 300th day. The other selling point is they have a 30 day demo program so CRBN really removed any reason why not to try it.
Crbn solved the core now it is duty of everyone else to copy the core and introduce 100$ foam paddle which is good for 1 year play at least. Make pickleball affordable
Braydon amazing review, especially the teardowns and I agree with most of your thoughts aside from the "all-court" I think these are baseline power. Their goal of solving core crushing and saying NO to "break-ins" lead to so much more than solving those. I think this is also one of the paddles that we will keep retesting for durability.
Riddle solved. Good job CRBN. Would love to "hear" ball impact with different swings with game footage. Thanks for all your efforts putting these reviews together.
If you take 10 different paddles and hit a drive with each one using the same mechanics you'll notice that ball flight is different for each one. Some launch the ball higher and have loopier ball flights while others have lower, flatter ball flights. Typically 16mm paddles have higher launch angles than than 14mm paddles but in this case the trufoams had higher launch angles more like a 16mm paddle rather than the flatter launch angle that most 14mm paddles have.
Did bringing the sweet spot/balance point down to 232 change the sweet spot? It would seem to me that lowering the sweet spot/balance point would change the location of the fiberglass or cut out of the sweet spot? Interesting that you find it better with the tungsten tape at 3&9.
@ Glad there was not a noticeable shift in the sweet spot. I ordered a G2 yesterday morning. Been using the ESQ-C 12.7 and 14mm. I feel like the G2 is going to be very similar but with a bigger sweet spot and more feel (though I’m pretty dialed in with the 14mm ESQ). Ordered 2 tungsten tapes from you and I’ll be ready to add weight to the G2.
Hi! Thanks for the review. Could you please share what is the resulting static weight of your CBRN2 TF setup with the tungsten tape and the Flick Weight on the handle? Thank you much!
i was using the ESQ but found it hard for the soft game so just bought the apes pulse V...and then got sucked into TF2 lol (used your code!). in what ways do you like the TF2 more than Pulse V?
Not braydon but have hit both of these. For me at least tf2 was more powerful, more pop if you hit that fiberglass, and better soft game. Pulse is lighter / lower swing weight and maybe a little more stable though I think the tf plays more stable than it's twist weight indicates
@ That's a tough question because us reviewers usually get access to paddles. I think they are both great, and I know they have both been really well received by most people. They play a bit different so it depends what you want out of your paddle. One potential major difference though is longevity. I didn't personally experience it but I know the pulse v had a break in period for some and kinda changed how the paddle played. I don't know that it's distinctly had a core crushing problem more then other gen 3 paddles but supposedly with the trufoam there is no chance of that. Again, you will probably be happy with either imo and it depends on your game. These two two of the three standard shaped paddles that I've actually enjoyed haha so they are already in a league of their own!
You'll be able able to control the TF2 over the ESQ so that was a good move. While I like the pulse V too you're going to get more offense from the TF2 while retaining the same or similar level of control. Something about the unique feel and response of the TF2 helps you connect with it and control it better than other paddles that have a similar level of power and pop. Maneuverability wise the are very similar though the V is more forgiving so that is one drawback with the TF2 compared to the V but the sweet spot isn't small on the TF2 either so it's not a big loss.
Currently use the x3 and have really enjoyed it the last yr plus. Was anxious to try the T3 but the swing weight is really high …like 124….is there something you like in an elongated hybrid you recommend?
Take this for what it's worth but I prefer hybrid shape paddles, in fact I like hybrid then elongated then somewhere way lower is standard shaped paddles for me. I've had the trufoams for a few months and have been mostly drawn to the tf2 standard shape. It feels the closest to a hybrid for me
@@ThePickleballBlastif you like hybrid I recommend the Bread and Butter Invader. Great stick. Lots of great paddles out there so hard to go wrong. I have a CRBN 2x in my regular rotation and am looking forward to adding a Genesis TF2 to my bag soon!
I'm maining the Hyper and love it. Ordered the TFG 2 because Kew put it in the same realm as the Hyper and I'm digging the spin the TFG 2 brings to the party. 🎉
@@picklepractical if you want to notice the biggest difference, add the weight to lowest point of the handle, the more at the base, the more you move the fulcrum down to experience that faster feeling
The grit on my ESQ 12.7 is almost smooth just after 2 months. The spin drop off is very noticeable. I’m hoping the Genesis helps alleviate some of the sharp spin drop offs from other paddles. That’s why I ordered the TFG.
The players willing to pay for it, no different than anything else. At least they have a free 30-day trial so you can thoroughly test it before committing that much money to it.
New tech to some extent, I'm sure we'll see copies that will bring the price down over the next year or two, but also longevity / durability. You won't core crush this in 3-6 months according to crbn
Wish they would have released the TFG 4 (hybrid) instead of just announcing they're working on it with no ETA. Never understood why they'd keep two elongated paddles in the line-up, seems like a dated approach to what players prefer.
Great review. Really liked how you showed your weight set ups for each. Good info.
I currently use a J2K Pro; tried a TF3 yesterday and will be using it in my league play this morning, the weight of min was 7.9oz and the swing weight and balance point felt similar to my J2Kpro. The main difference that I could tell was TF3 had more power and spin. I think the big selling point of the Genesis TF is that the paddle will last a long time and be consistent from the first day to the 300th day. The other selling point is they have a 30 day demo program so CRBN really removed any reason why not to try it.
Could you update your thoughts after your league play games?
Thank you so much bro!! 🙏🏻great review yet again !!
Awesome review. I swear that foam looks just like the foam between car bumper covers and bumpers.
Crbn solved the core now it is duty of everyone else to copy the core and introduce 100$ foam paddle which is good for 1 year play at least. Make pickleball affordable
Lol that'll never happen.
You're the GOAT. Thanks for your time and review, per usual!
I accept the title of GOAT lol thanks for watching, I'm glad it was helpful.
@@pickleballeffect Just ordered the 2 and used your code, thank you and happy I can support!
@@JaeStylessthank you, that means a lot! Enjoy the paddle!
Awesome review - I'm going for the TF2. Thanks Braydon!
Braydon amazing review, especially the teardowns and I agree with most of your thoughts aside from the "all-court" I think these are baseline power. Their goal of solving core crushing and saying NO to "break-ins" lead to so much more than solving those. I think this is also one of the paddles that we will keep retesting for durability.
Also felt like these were a bit above all court and into the power range. Even more so with some top end paddles getting delisted
Crushing it man, solid review! We might need to have a intro editing battle next time 😉
You're on!!
Appreciate it! Your intros are pretty insane though, I don’t think Aaron can take you.
@ 😐
@ rekt
Riddle solved. Good job CRBN. Would love to "hear" ball impact with different swings with game footage. Thanks for all your efforts putting these reviews together.
It’s my fave sound paddle rn
Thank you man! Great
Great review and your intros are looking 🔥🔥🔥
Great video! But can you explain to me what a “higher launch angle” is? Isn’t your launch angle just dependent on your wrist position?
If you take 10 different paddles and hit a drive with each one using the same mechanics you'll notice that ball flight is different for each one. Some launch the ball higher and have loopier ball flights while others have lower, flatter ball flights. Typically 16mm paddles have higher launch angles than than 14mm paddles but in this case the trufoams had higher launch angles more like a 16mm paddle rather than the flatter launch angle that most 14mm paddles have.
@ Interesting. Why is that? Is that because of the pocketing effect?
@@JflipJedi that’s what I’m attributing it to but don’t know exactly
That intro was liiiiiiit 🔥
production went wilddddddd
😈
Do you know if they will release an actual hybrid shape?
They said it's in the works after all the feedback they got but I haven't seen a timeline or anything for it yet.
Did bringing the sweet spot/balance point down to 232 change the sweet spot? It would seem to me that lowering the sweet spot/balance point would change the location of the fiberglass or cut out of the sweet spot? Interesting that you find it better with the tungsten tape at 3&9.
I didn’t notice a difference when playing though theoretically I see what you’re saying.
@ Glad there was not a noticeable shift in the sweet spot. I ordered a G2 yesterday morning. Been using the ESQ-C 12.7 and 14mm. I feel like the G2 is going to be very similar but with a bigger sweet spot and more feel (though I’m pretty dialed in with the 14mm ESQ). Ordered 2 tungsten tapes from you and I’ll be ready to add weight to the G2.
Hi! Thanks for the review. Could you please share what is the resulting static weight of your CBRN2 TF setup with the tungsten tape and the Flick Weight on the handle? Thank you much!
i was using the ESQ but found it hard for the soft game so just bought the apes pulse V...and then got sucked into TF2 lol (used your code!). in what ways do you like the TF2 more than Pulse V?
Not braydon but have hit both of these. For me at least tf2 was more powerful, more pop if you hit that fiberglass, and better soft game. Pulse is lighter / lower swing weight and maybe a little more stable though I think the tf plays more stable than it's twist weight indicates
@@ThePickleballBlast thank you! did you like the tf2 more than the pulse to justify the price difference between the two?
@ That's a tough question because us reviewers usually get access to paddles. I think they are both great, and I know they have both been really well received by most people. They play a bit different so it depends what you want out of your paddle. One potential major difference though is longevity. I didn't personally experience it but I know the pulse v had a break in period for some and kinda changed how the paddle played. I don't know that it's distinctly had a core crushing problem more then other gen 3 paddles but supposedly with the trufoam there is no chance of that. Again, you will probably be happy with either imo and it depends on your game. These two two of the three standard shaped paddles that I've actually enjoyed haha so they are already in a league of their own!
I’ll stick with my $65 Jellybean and faster hand speed
You'll be able able to control the TF2 over the ESQ so that was a good move. While I like the pulse V too you're going to get more offense from the TF2 while retaining the same or similar level of control. Something about the unique feel and response of the TF2 helps you connect with it and control it better than other paddles that have a similar level of power and pop. Maneuverability wise the are very similar though the V is more forgiving so that is one drawback with the TF2 compared to the V but the sweet spot isn't small on the TF2 either so it's not a big loss.
Currently use the x3 and have really enjoyed it the last yr plus. Was anxious to try the T3 but the swing weight is really high …like 124….is there something you like in an elongated hybrid you recommend?
There’s no such thing as an elongated hybrid. It’s either elongated or a hybrid.
Take this for what it's worth but I prefer hybrid shape paddles, in fact I like hybrid then elongated then somewhere way lower is standard shaped paddles for me. I've had the trufoams for a few months and have been mostly drawn to the tf2 standard shape. It feels the closest to a hybrid for me
The Pulse S is 16.4 x 7.6 so that might fit your elongated hybrid desires.
@@ThePickleballBlastif you like hybrid I recommend the Bread and Butter Invader. Great stick. Lots of great paddles out there so hard to go wrong.
I have a CRBN 2x in my regular rotation and am looking forward to adding a Genesis TF2 to my bag soon!
@@mattmershon3542 Invader was my main for a month or two most recently, it's an awesome paddle as well!
Hi B.. If you have to choose between one of these: Pulse V, Gearbox Hyper or TFG2… Which one would be your favorite ? 🤔
I like the TF2. It’s my main paddle for now
I'm maining the Hyper and love it. Ordered the TFG 2 because Kew put it in the same realm as the Hyper and I'm digging the spin the TFG 2 brings to the party. 🎉
I will test the Genesis, but it has to be a aha moment to give up my 3X CRBN…4.357 dupr
My TFG1
Static: 7.7
SW: 114
TW: 5.44
BP: too lazy didn’t measure 😂
Thanks for the info, I’ll keep track of this and others I see and we can get a true average.
No one gonna mention the bleach song during intro? 🔥🔥🔥
how would you make the TFG3 more maneuverable?
I just added weight to my butt cap and definitely sped up my kitchen game
I have the TFG3, and I’m planning to add lead tape on the handle stretching to the bottom corners of the paddle
Posting a video tutorial on how to do it
@@picklepractical if you want to notice the biggest difference, add the weight to lowest point of the handle, the more at the base, the more you move the fulcrum down to experience that faster feeling
What are these paddles for
golf i think
Which is a better paddle? Esq-c or trufoam genesis?
The grit on my ESQ 12.7 is almost smooth just after 2 months. The spin drop off is very noticeable. I’m hoping the Genesis helps alleviate some of the sharp spin drop offs from other paddles. That’s why I ordered the TFG.
Why are all the influencers snubbing the Proton Project Flamingo?
Wish it wasnt so heavyyy
What about this paddle justifies its $280 price?
The players willing to pay for it, no different than anything else. At least they have a free 30-day trial so you can thoroughly test it before committing that much money to it.
New tech to some extent, I'm sure we'll see copies that will bring the price down over the next year or two, but also longevity / durability. You won't core crush this in 3-6 months according to crbn
Not paying that much for a paddle. I'll stick with HPC.
Hpc ?
@@deepakdevellorehonolulu pickleball club
That’s ur mistake
I’ll stick with my $65 Jellybean
Wish they would have released the TFG 4 (hybrid) instead of just announcing they're working on it with no ETA. Never understood why they'd keep two elongated paddles in the line-up, seems like a dated approach to what players prefer.
I can't wait for a hybrid shape tfg
I hope it has 5.5inch long handle
Hey Braydon, when a word has “ing” in the word, the “g” is silent. So a word like “springy” is pronounced spring-ee, rather than spring-gee.