@Make Me Believe Verne Gagne offered the Iron Sheik $100,000 to break Hulk Hogan's leg and bring the WWF championship belt to the AWA. And we know what happened.
@@jusbertmeza4424 Sheik refused. According to him, as a Muslim, he "Cannot bite the hand that feeds me." and his "averages" (as in pay) were so good under Vince Sr, and Vince Sr treated him so well, that out of respect for the older McMahon...he couldn't do it. Which is probably why, after Hogan's "racist" tape came out. Sheik took to twitter to say that "I should have broken your fucking leg when I had the chance!" Cuz Sheiky baby gets mad at stuff like that I guess.
@@MaxxCoyote Harley was offered a similar opportunity to take the NWA title Out of Starcade to the WWF. Harley said he couldn’t look himself in the mirror if he did that. He refused Vince’s offer and dropped the NWA title to Ric...
Sadly, that was true in the case of Pro Wrestling USA. They pooled their talents to fight Vince, but egos got in the way as they wanted their guys to headline.
The way he delivered that was absolutely hilarious. "he got sued for throwing a wheelchair at somebody....and the problem was there was a woman in the wheelchair at the time!" LOL, I swear, I really think if Jim hadn't ever gone into wrestling he could have made it as a stand-up comedian. The way he tells a story and delivers lines is just GOLD.
@Andre Ricardo Bryant VInce knew very well who would want to kill him. he ran them out of business!!he 's not learning anything from cornette. foh with your snitching crap.
Eddie Graham probably would've had Crockett whacked before Vince, Crockett was doing a lot of the same crap being broadcast nationally on the superstation, didn't promote a lot of live shows i guess in other people's territories, but they definitely had a presence
Pretty much, Wrestling Territories were nothing more than gangs in those days. Especially in the late 60s when wrestling was nothing more than just matches being held in bars, smoking houses, school gyms and small arenas.
HOC + fuck that Vince is a cancer nwa had wrestling right Vince is a scumbag look at wrestling today aew is not too far behind right now the wacking of Vince would done us whole lot of us a big time favor give me territories any day than the garbage Vince has putting out and if you down with Vince then fuck you toop
@@iBmEVanquisher I praise territories because they did wrestling correctly. Unlike modern Indies who only do 1 to 3 cities, and have a show once a month, working a territory is the way to do the business. When Corny was doing SMW or OVW, he did more than 1 city and had 2 shows a week if not more. If you work a territory you can hire talent full time and work them 3 days a week or more. However like Mid-South in the day they would travel a circuit and go from LA to OK. What took a lot of territories down was greed, they wanted to go national and become millionaires but not all territories could bring in that money. The WWWF and NWA Hollywood was about the only two that could. People do forget that the NWA was a cabal. It was not a promotion but a collection of promotions that worked to ensure that members had the best deals, the best talent, swapping talent like the NFL does, blacklist talent that couldn't perform or had issues, etc. Since the WWF had a great territory to begin with and it was full of rich people (New York) not some place like Mid South which was rural and had more people under poverty level, Vince was able to get more money and then turn around and offer more for TV stations. Only reason Watts lasted where I am is because LA wouldn't give anyone else a licence at the time to run wrestling shows so Watts had a small monopoly in New Orleans, Monroe and the bigger cities. But yea Vince would go state to state and buy out the slots that local promoters had because he could offer more money.
@@iBmEVanquisher Yes. I tell people that Vince McMahon didn't beat his competition, they beat themselves, from the NWA being greedy and backstabbing each other, to the WCW shooting itself with idiotic decisions. However, I will always believe wrestling is a regional "sport". Coming from Arkansas and growing up with Mid-South, then WCW, WWE never really did anything for me. I haven't watched a full show for almost 15 years.
You nailed it here. The territories were like gangsters, while Vince always was like a corporate thief, or professional gangster. If the promoters of the territory days weren't so corrupted or greedy, they really could have achieved something together (like making unions). Vince wasn't a savior, it's actually the opposite. It's just that he was smarter business wise, way more hungry after power & money, and deceitful!
The idea that Fritz's ostensible Christianity would have prevented him from putting out a hit on Vince is laughable to me. Anyone who has listened to 15 minutes of Kenneth Copeland knows what these people are capable of.
I would’ve liked to been a fly on the wall when Ole told all told All of the McMahons to f___ __! That’s when Vince Junior told Gorilla Monsoon...” Let’s go to our new Techwood Studios and pay Ole a visit...🤔
As an avid mob historian, I can safely say that if they wanted to whack Vince, 1984-86 would have been the perfect time to do it. This was the era of the Teflon Don, John Gotti. The younger mob guys basically considered themselves invincible to law enforcement, and had killed most of the old guard who preferred business to violence. In fact, the 80's was the deadliest decade to be in the mob, with more mob related violence and public assassinations than ever before. They could get their hands on basically anyone they wanted, celebrities, politicians, and especially jurors when it came to keeping themselves out of prison. But most importantly, this was the era of the stupidest mobsters ever, flashy, showing off their wealth, drawing police attention to themselves, talking to the press, etc. Which is also why it was the last decade the mob were at their most powerful. So if there was ever an era of mobsters so coked out of their minds and stupid enough to whack a public figure like Vince McMahon, which would draw national attention, it was the 80's.
There might be some promoters who are operating in cities under the influence of a particular Mafia family and they might ask them to whack Vince McMahon if he ever tries to toss them out of their turf
Weed growers. Spend the winters shut in in a big house growing tons of weed. Then drive the harvest down to Florida and sell it. I don't know I'm just fuckin off.
IMO, the ones who really feared for their lives were Jack & Jerry Brisco. They sold WCW to Vince on April 9, 1984. Two things happened: At a show in Canton, OH, they were to face The Road Warriors. Animal told them that someone had offered to pay them a huge sum of money if they legitimately hurt them, "But we don't do business that way," he said. Later down the road, wrestler/manager Paul Jones told them that someone had been hired to shoot them. Needless to say, they went around with their heads on a swivel for a while. Then there is also the story where Verne Gagne offered The Iron Sheik a huge sum of money if he broke Hogan's leg the night of the WWE Title change at MSG (1-23-1984).
The sheik story is actually true. But sheik declined it and told vince about it beforehand. Sheik was a professional and didn't harm Hogan and stayed loyal to vince. that's why Vince kept sheik around.
Great Artwork! But Once Vince with National with the WWF Kayfade was gone.. Cause Vince was letting people in who didn't Respect the Pro Wrestling business.. It made Vince McMahon money and gave his business exposure but it came at a cost! Breaking Kayfade!
@josemiranda9093V1 If he wasn't banging Flair's other daughter Coronary Thompson would be a nobody. The fact is the guy got lucky and is a oversensitive hypocrite & Has become so full of himself.
@@billymerritt420 gotta be honest, lost a bit of respect for him with his channel. 10 ad's in 10 minutes (literally hard to watch), Blocking and slating fans in the community tab. It's not good
Iron Sheikh claims that Verne Gagne offered him 20 grand to break Hulk Hogan's leg in the ring. There's also a story that Bruiser Brody was offered considerably more to storm the ring at Wrestlemania 1 and ruin the main event. Of course that was a much stupider idea because tough or not it's not like Brody was going to fight all four of those guys. Personally, I think if any of those guys were really serious about all this we'd be talking about Vince McMahon that promoter who mysteriously vanished back in the 1980s.
Surely Verne, right? He was old school as fuck. And just like Ole, he was from Minnesota. I can tell you they don’t must like “east coast pricks” up there.
Yeah. Well the other factor in all this that 1984 was the year Harley Race went into the WWF locker room in Kansas City with a gun and confronted Hulk Hogan talking about how he came there to kneecap him. And 1984 was also the year that Verne Gagne supposedly tried to get the Iron Sheik to break Hogan's leg at the Garden. Putting the top star in the WWF out of action would have been a far more typical wrestling thing to try than hiring a hit man to go after a promoter. Ole was already done as a player by the time of the NWA meeting. Dusty had plotted with Crockett `to basically ruin Florida by stealing just about all of Eddie Graham's wrestlings. Jim Crockett and Fritz Von Erich are not murder for hire kind of guys. The minor people in St. Louis like Geigel didn't count anymore because they were Verne Gagne's junior partneres. Bill Watts was way, way more angry at Jim Crockett at that time than he was Vince McMahon over Crockett kicking him off TBS. Verne Gagne might have thought about it, but he would have been smart enough not try to arrange a hit through a committee of people he didn't trust. But I really doubt the story about anyone seriously thinking about this at the NWA meeting. Even of those guys had the idea in their mind, the NWA meeting is the last place they would have talked about it. Those guys hated Vince McMahon but in 1984 they also hated each other, they stabbed each other in the back whenever they could and just about every one of them had a plan to become a national promotion. None of those guys would have ever trusted each other with something as legally compromising to themselves as talking about a contract killing. But I really do believe that there was serious thought given to how to end Hulk Hogan's career in 1984.
Jim Tuner wow great story but I believe Vern would have been the one with the connections for a hit and to carry thru with it but he would have been to stingy to pay for it.
Verne was also dealing with the city trying to take his land from him. Even in 84 the AWA was circling the drain, and Verne was burning through what money he had left. Even if he REALLY wanted to, he probably didn't have the money to hire a hitman
As far as I remember, the eminent domain situation happened later in the 1980s. The AWA was not circling the drain in 1984. It was in fact coming off probably one of its best years ever in 1983. The eminent domain case was the eventual cause of the AWA going out of business in the 1990s. The property in question was heavily mortgaged. Taking the property not only forced Gagne to immediately pay off all the debts, but also eliminated the biggest asset he could use to secure bank loans. The taking of the property eventually forced him into personal bankruptcy around 1993. There are lots of rumors about that land deal. It was a very strange situation and some of the rumors are that the deal was actually arranged as an attempt to financially bail out Gagne (even though he was on paper fighting the deal in court). The property was worth a tremendous amount of money, but it would have a very difficult property to sell at its full value on the open market. The WWF was actually in worse financial trouble than any of the other promotions in 1984. Vince McMahon had bought the promotion with a combination of debt and promises of payments to the previous owners. If a single payment were missed, the deal was that he would lose everything. They were keep afloat month to month. There was eventually a crisis before the first wrestlemania in early 1985. They were literally out of money and the only thing that saved them was selling the TV slots on TBS to Jim Crockett. There is another story that is rarely told. Vince McMahon actually negotiated with Verne Gagne in mid-1983 to buy the AWA. There were several meetings held and the outlines of a deal, but Verne tried to renegotiate some of the terms and Vince McMahon got angry and walked away.
@@Jim-Tuner I didn't mean financially, most of the big talent was in their 40's or 50's and Verne had already developed a bad reputation. If you worked in the AWA Verne would low ball you as much as possible and if you tired going somewhere else he would try to claim your payout. I like Jim Cornette, but he acts like the territories were still a talent trading buddies in the 80's but as you said they hated each other.
Harley didn't confront Hogan with a gun. He and Bob Geigel had an office in the building that WWF was running that night so the just stayed in the building till show time. He went into the locker room to talk to the Funks about why they were working for Vince because they had all been friends for years and were basically working opposition in his town. Hogan saw Harley, got scared like the coward he is and assumed Harley was there for him. He then got smacked in the ribs by Harley. No gun was present or involved and the only one who said there was one was Hogan who is lying as usual and trying to make himself seem more important than he is and to make himself look like something other than the coward he is because he did absolutely nothing when Harley smacked him. The gun story is just one of Hogan's many lies like the rolling Stones wanted him to play bass for them or how he was Elvis's favorite wrestler even though Elvis died two years before Hogan ever wrestled
I love Corny's stories when men where real men and calling the cops never crossed their minds. Actions had physical consequences.Corny is my crack rock. Thanks for my daily fix.💉
Pure nonsense. There was nothing inevitable about a nationwide wrestling promotion and ol' Jimbo's crew was a clown committee compared to what Vince put together.
What about Harley Race? Vince cost Race over half a million in losses over the St. Louis wrestling club by booking against him and taking their tv over. That’s a very good motive for Race to get even with Vince Jr. Eventhough Harley let bygones be bygones by joining the WWF in 86...
@@chrischar9428 He OConnor, and Geigle couldn’t book St. Louis like Sam Muncnik did. They booked horribly and paid their Kansas City people more and the main eventers a little less. Thus, the attendance dropped...😞
I love the image of Jim as a mobster taking money for a hit job 😂 He hates Vince for exposing the business publicly. Key word PUBLICLY. Because the business was already getting exposed by family and friends but, Vince told the masses.
that wouldnt be surprising. I mean he literally bought WCW and then just destroyed it. He didnt see any incite to keep it going as a separate promotion. Just to have some competition to the WWE brand. You need competition or look what happens...............your product becomes sht.
Well If They Bring Back The Territories Then There Will Be Competition. And Not Just One Or Two But Five Or Six Different Promotions. Someone If Not A Couple Surely Could Give Good Competition
@@smokingthereefer92 You don't understand how territories worked. The whole point of them was that they would NOT compete against each other. "You stay over there and I stay over here. Don't come into my TERRITORY."
@@smokingthereefer92 That was never a thing with territories. They never competed with each other over anything - ever. Only WCW and WWE competed against each other with television ratings and they were NOT territories. Territories were against competition. Period.
Yeh I understand that but we also live in a different time now. I feel like that's how it would go. For example would you tune to more northern wrestling to watch Steve Austin kick his boss ass every week (which most of us wanna be able to do that) or would you tune more into southern wrestling where say for example triple h was feuding with mankind. I'd rather take northern territory over the southern. So now the southern is trying to up their competition to do a better rating than the north. I feel like that's how it would go in today's time. Internet. Cable television. Online streaming. Etc.
yeah,im sure it was passed about the table at a meeting once by individuals. half jokeing and half trying to brag about how bad they are like some half drunk ass in a street fight,but no way did they sit down and seriously talk about putting a hit on vince ffs they couldnt even co promote a ppv let alone this! corny and others take this shit way to seriously,sure they were serious buisness men and hard ass and dodgy to deal with but they werent murder inc!
Corny always trails off in every topic. He's supposed to be talking about promoters trying to kill Vince then he starts talking about a guy throwing a wheel chair
"The territory promoters wanted to kill Vince."
"It wasn't all of them."
That fucking killed me right off the start
@Make Me Believe Verne Gagne offered the Iron Sheik $100,000 to break Hulk Hogan's leg and bring the WWF championship belt to the AWA. And we know what happened.
Edwin Lindley what happened?
@@jusbertmeza4424 Sheik refused. According to him, as a Muslim, he "Cannot bite the hand that feeds me." and his "averages" (as in pay) were so good under Vince Sr, and Vince Sr treated him so well, that out of respect for the older McMahon...he couldn't do it.
Which is probably why, after Hogan's "racist" tape came out. Sheik took to twitter to say that "I should have broken your fucking leg when I had the chance!"
Cuz Sheiky baby gets mad at stuff like that I guess.
@@MaxxCoyote Harley was offered a similar opportunity to take the NWA title Out of Starcade to the WWF. Harley said he couldn’t look himself in the mirror if he did that. He refused Vince’s offer and dropped the NWA title to Ric...
The more I hear stories like this, the more I think of Vince as the Michael Corleone of professional wrestling
This is so true
@southerncajuncharm yeah
Now hes fredo
@@depp0000000000 No, he's still Michael. He's just Michael in Godfather 3 where everything sucks, lol.
Vince wasn’t in the wrestling business
Artwork is on point AF as usual
This is a definite favourite. 'Young' Jim Ross peeking out from the toilet stalls really makes it.
who draws them ..? is it brian ?
Vince joked that those promoters couldn't even get together to order a cup of coffe let alone work with together.
308328928 he’s right thou
LOL!
Sadly, that was true in the case of Pro Wrestling USA. They pooled their talents to fight Vince, but egos got in the way as they wanted their guys to headline.
@@mkl62 I mean that's Vince and a lot of others as well
Especially Vern Gagne and Jim Crockett. By 1986, they couldn’t work with each other! Vince called it beautifully!
Dammit Jim you made me spit out my water when you said he picked up a wheelchair with an old lady in it and threw it at someone I died 😂 laughing
The way he delivered that was absolutely hilarious. "he got sued for throwing a wheelchair at somebody....and the problem was there was a woman in the wheelchair at the time!" LOL, I swear, I really think if Jim hadn't ever gone into wrestling he could have made it as a stand-up comedian. The way he tells a story and delivers lines is just GOLD.
Remember kids never throw a person in a wheelchair 😂
ohhhh NOW you tell me!!
...thanks a lot!
So youre sayin throw them separately?
LMMFAOOF! 🤣😂
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ole thought about that a couple times over the years.
I'm surprised that Ole DIDN'T kill Vince.
💯 who he snitched about n was actually around personal wise to testify to it for sure he fucking did...
😂😂😂
At one point or another Ole wanted to kill every human on the planet
He had a confrontation with him in the TBS parking lot.
I'm sure a couple of the deaths that have happened in wrestling were murders we just dont know it.
Certainly.
How is bruiser Brody a murder we don’t know about? That’s the definition of a murder we know about.
Chain- Link TV the only one I can think of for sure, was Gorgeous Gino
Owen Hart
@@JaeYuki Nah Owen was an accidental death
Damn, Cornette just straight up dry snitching on these guys lol
if u got back n listen.. he never said anyone tried..or even actually spoke about it. he just said maybe they would or wouldn't. that's not snitchin
@Andre Ricardo Bryant VInce knew very well who would want to kill him. he ran them out of business!!he 's not learning anything from cornette. foh with your snitching crap.
@@karlsylvain he's seen to many gangster movies thinking real life is like that
Go away with this little kiddie bs...
Wheelchair tossing needs to be an Olympic sport
I'm not even surprise some promoters would think about probably puting a hit on vince mcmahon.
Hearing the stories is why I am interested in watching Netflix upcoming documentary on Vince McMahon
Lol I'm surprised vince hasn't had more attempts on his life honestly seeing how many people hes screwed over the years
That's what you get for getting in the top
Eddie Graham probably would've had Crockett whacked before Vince, Crockett was doing a lot of the same crap being broadcast nationally on the superstation, didn't promote a lot of live shows i guess in other people's territories, but they definitely had a presence
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
Damn I guess that hilariously cheesy Vince McMahon movie script from a couple years ago wasn't that off...the NWA really was a Mafia organization 😂
Pretty much, Wrestling Territories were nothing more than gangs in those days. Especially in the late 60s when wrestling was nothing more than just matches being held in bars, smoking houses, school gyms and small arenas.
HOC + fuck that Vince is a cancer nwa had wrestling right Vince is a scumbag look at wrestling today aew is not too far behind right now the wacking of Vince would done us whole lot of us a big time favor give me territories any day than the garbage Vince has putting out and if you down with Vince then fuck you toop
@@iBmEVanquisher I praise territories because they did wrestling correctly. Unlike modern Indies who only do 1 to 3 cities, and have a show once a month, working a territory is the way to do the business.
When Corny was doing SMW or OVW, he did more than 1 city and had 2 shows a week if not more. If you work a territory you can hire talent full time and work them 3 days a week or more. However like Mid-South in the day they would travel a circuit and go from LA to OK.
What took a lot of territories down was greed, they wanted to go national and become millionaires but not all territories could bring in that money. The WWWF and NWA Hollywood was about the only two that could.
People do forget that the NWA was a cabal. It was not a promotion but a collection of promotions that worked to ensure that members had the best deals, the best talent, swapping talent like the NFL does, blacklist talent that couldn't perform or had issues, etc.
Since the WWF had a great territory to begin with and it was full of rich people (New York) not some place like Mid South which was rural and had more people under poverty level, Vince was able to get more money and then turn around and offer more for TV stations. Only reason Watts lasted where I am is because LA wouldn't give anyone else a licence at the time to run wrestling shows so Watts had a small monopoly in New Orleans, Monroe and the bigger cities. But yea Vince would go state to state and buy out the slots that local promoters had because he could offer more money.
@@iBmEVanquisher Yes. I tell people that Vince McMahon didn't beat his competition, they beat themselves, from the NWA being greedy and backstabbing each other, to the WCW shooting itself with idiotic decisions.
However, I will always believe wrestling is a regional "sport". Coming from Arkansas and growing up with Mid-South, then WCW, WWE never really did anything for me. I haven't watched a full show for almost 15 years.
You nailed it here. The territories were like gangsters, while Vince always was like a corporate thief, or professional gangster. If the promoters of the territory days weren't so corrupted or greedy, they really could have achieved something together (like making unions). Vince wasn't a savior, it's actually the opposite. It's just that he was smarter business wise, way more hungry after power & money, and deceitful!
The idea that Fritz's ostensible Christianity would have prevented him from putting out a hit on Vince is laughable to me. Anyone who has listened to 15 minutes of Kenneth Copeland knows what these people are capable of.
I must say I've weighed the pros and cons of a world without Vince McMahon starting in the mid 80's and the pros far outweigh the cons.
Ole Anderson hated Vince with a passion so that doesn't surprise me at all.
Johnboydojo who doesn’t ole hate I’d be surprised if he didn’t hate his own mother
Johnboydojo i don’t think he even likes arn tbh
Make Me Believe respect and like is two different things
I would’ve liked to been a fly on the wall when Ole told all told All of the McMahons to f___ __! That’s when Vince Junior told Gorilla Monsoon...” Let’s go to our new Techwood Studios and pay Ole a visit...🤔
Ole hates everyone with a passion. He probably hates his wife and children.
I've always wondered how many wrestling promotions were involved with organised crime...
As an avid mob historian, I can safely say that if they wanted to whack Vince, 1984-86 would have been the perfect time to do it.
This was the era of the Teflon Don, John Gotti. The younger mob guys basically considered themselves invincible to law enforcement, and had killed most of the old guard who preferred business to violence. In fact, the 80's was the deadliest decade to be in the mob, with more mob related violence and public assassinations than ever before. They could get their hands on basically anyone they wanted, celebrities, politicians, and especially jurors when it came to keeping themselves out of prison. But most importantly, this was the era of the stupidest mobsters ever, flashy, showing off their wealth, drawing police attention to themselves, talking to the press, etc. Which is also why it was the last decade the mob were at their most powerful.
So if there was ever an era of mobsters so coked out of their minds and stupid enough to whack a public figure like Vince McMahon, which would draw national attention, it was the 80's.
There might be some promoters who are operating in cities under the influence of a particular Mafia family and they might ask them to whack Vince McMahon if he ever tries to toss them out of their turf
These thumbnail images are hilarious!
Who the hell summers in Florida and winters in Connecticut?!
Someone who is crazy I live in CT in the winters here are horrible and so are the Taxes!
@@jumboincredible CT is where the Rich folks stay.. They can afford it!
@@kenrickkahn
i wish i was rich...😕
Weed growers.
Spend the winters shut in in a big house growing tons of weed. Then drive the harvest down to Florida and sell it.
I don't know I'm just fuckin off.
lol Vince.
If Go Fund Me had been around back then the territory guys would have had no trouble raising the cash to put a hit on Vince
They would of just taken the money..
@@Patrick-ud3vu have, not of
And the dark web... 💀💀💀💀
Where in the hell is that Skyscrapers and Mike Blackwell video? That was a classic!
Ken Shamrock.. Break their bones!? Vince: Break the Promotors Bones! " YEAH"
"Vince had a 13 million bux mansion he uses a week a year".........I wonder if he'll let me use it the other 51 weeks of the year.
It's a possibility as long as you're big and sweaty enough...
If you are Shawn Michaels.
I doubt it. He is not a generous guy.
Tony Ferguson's the type of guy to win a split decision in an argument with Ole Anderson.
The Gobbledy Gooker was sent by the heads of the NWA to assassinate Vince but he changed his mind and Vince gave him a job🥳
IMO, the ones who really feared for their lives were Jack & Jerry Brisco. They sold WCW to Vince on April 9, 1984. Two things happened: At a show in Canton, OH, they were to face The Road Warriors. Animal told them that someone had offered to pay them a huge sum of money if they legitimately hurt them, "But we don't do business that way," he said. Later down the road, wrestler/manager Paul Jones told them that someone had been hired to shoot them. Needless to say, they went around with their heads on a swivel for a while. Then there is also the story where Verne Gagne offered The Iron Sheik a huge sum of money if he broke Hogan's leg the night of the WWE Title change at MSG (1-23-1984).
The sheik story is actually true. But sheik declined it and told vince about it beforehand. Sheik was a professional and didn't harm Hogan and stayed loyal to vince. that's why Vince kept sheik around.
"he killed the writer just to prove a point." "what was the point?" "that he can kill a writer."
Sounds like a bunch of "tough guys" talking big while shouting "Hold me back!" lol
Great Artwork! But Once Vince with National with the WWF Kayfade was gone.. Cause Vince was letting people in who didn't Respect the Pro Wrestling business.. It made Vince McMahon money and gave his business exposure but it came at a cost! Breaking Kayfade!
Kayfabe!
JR actually talks about this on Legends of Wrestling back in the day but I don’t remember the episode of the top of my head 🤦🏻♂️
Brian > Conrad. JC > JR.
Jim is obviously the man, but no need to put JR down in any way. He's a legend in his own right!
Rich Mitch JR IS A GOD
FOH
@josemiranda9093V1 If he wasn't banging Flair's other daughter Coronary Thompson would be a nobody. The fact is the guy got lucky and is a oversensitive hypocrite & Has become so full of himself.
@@billymerritt420 gotta be honest, lost a bit of respect for him with his channel.
10 ad's in 10 minutes (literally hard to watch), Blocking and slating fans in the community tab. It's not good
@@louis3141 🤣 he's a *big unit*
Cornette is great
Can someone tell me more about the problem Barnett had with the Kentucky football team leading in him going to Australia?
Throwing gay parties hiring the football players as party favors.
@Batony oh so Barnett is gay that's why he hates gay people ... thanks for the info
Jim is the man .
WOW - I've never heard this.....I would guess Ole, Verne, and maybe 1 or 2 others
Iron Sheikh claims that Verne Gagne offered him 20 grand to break Hulk Hogan's leg in the ring. There's also a story that Bruiser Brody was offered considerably more to storm the ring at Wrestlemania 1 and ruin the main event. Of course that was a much stupider idea because tough or not it's not like Brody was going to fight all four of those guys.
Personally, I think if any of those guys were really serious about all this we'd be talking about Vince McMahon that promoter who mysteriously vanished back in the 1980s.
It's all bullshit
Great Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
Thumbs up instantly, just for the thumbnail! 😁
oldschool jim ross's hair is great lol
We use to whack dangerous people's on the water front and it worked better than now days
That Jimmy snuka guy did kill someone but was not found guilty.
Death was pretty common in wrestling.
Where there is humans or animals there are deaths
The Dick the Bruiser story about running opposition is crazy. Never heard that before.
Just saw this on Tales of territory’s mid south last night
Surely Verne, right? He was old school as fuck. And just like Ole, he was from Minnesota. I can tell you they don’t must like “east coast pricks” up there.
Dick The Bruiser, what a name, watch out ladies.
Mr. Mayhem In the Midwest we called him the worlds most dangerous wrestler!
He was ruthless
Yeah Bruiser definitely would have gone for the hit
I have no trouble picturing Ole Anderson discussing this.
0:54 - Unfortunately
Those promoters were definitely ruthless enough to do it. Vince was lucky as hell.
In a weird twist it was the lovable stu Hart lol he didn't pay the million
Yeah. Well the other factor in all this that 1984 was the year Harley Race went into the WWF locker room in Kansas City with a gun and confronted Hulk Hogan talking about how he came there to kneecap him. And 1984 was also the year that Verne Gagne supposedly tried to get the Iron Sheik to break Hogan's leg at the Garden. Putting the top star in the WWF out of action would have been a far more typical wrestling thing to try than hiring a hit man to go after a promoter.
Ole was already done as a player by the time of the NWA meeting. Dusty had plotted with Crockett `to basically ruin Florida by stealing just about all of Eddie Graham's wrestlings. Jim Crockett and Fritz Von Erich are not murder for hire kind of guys. The minor people in St. Louis like Geigel didn't count anymore because they were Verne Gagne's junior partneres. Bill Watts was way, way more angry at Jim Crockett at that time than he was Vince McMahon over Crockett kicking him off TBS. Verne Gagne might have thought about it, but he would have been smart enough not try to arrange a hit through a committee of people he didn't trust.
But I really doubt the story about anyone seriously thinking about this at the NWA meeting. Even of those guys had the idea in their mind, the NWA meeting is the last place they would have talked about it. Those guys hated Vince McMahon but in 1984 they also hated each other, they stabbed each other in the back whenever they could and just about every one of them had a plan to become a national promotion. None of those guys would have ever trusted each other with something as legally compromising to themselves as talking about a contract killing.
But I really do believe that there was serious thought given to how to end Hulk Hogan's career in 1984.
Jim Tuner wow great story but I believe Vern would have been the one with the connections for a hit and to carry thru with it but he would have been to stingy to pay for it.
Verne was also dealing with the city trying to take his land from him. Even in 84 the AWA was circling the drain, and Verne was burning through what money he had left. Even if he REALLY wanted to, he probably didn't have the money to hire a hitman
As far as I remember, the eminent domain situation happened later in the 1980s. The AWA was not circling the drain in 1984. It was in fact coming off probably one of its best years ever in 1983. The eminent domain case was the eventual cause of the AWA going out of business in the 1990s. The property in question was heavily mortgaged. Taking the property not only forced Gagne to immediately pay off all the debts, but also eliminated the biggest asset he could use to secure bank loans. The taking of the property eventually forced him into personal bankruptcy around 1993.
There are lots of rumors about that land deal. It was a very strange situation and some of the rumors are that the deal was actually arranged as an attempt to financially bail out Gagne (even though he was on paper fighting the deal in court). The property was worth a tremendous amount of money, but it would have a very difficult property to sell at its full value on the open market.
The WWF was actually in worse financial trouble than any of the other promotions in 1984. Vince McMahon had bought the promotion with a combination of debt and promises of payments to the previous owners. If a single payment were missed, the deal was that he would lose everything. They were keep afloat month to month. There was eventually a crisis before the first wrestlemania in early 1985. They were literally out of money and the only thing that saved them was selling the TV slots on TBS to Jim Crockett.
There is another story that is rarely told. Vince McMahon actually negotiated with Verne Gagne in mid-1983 to buy the AWA. There were several meetings held and the outlines of a deal, but Verne tried to renegotiate some of the terms and Vince McMahon got angry and walked away.
@@Jim-Tuner I didn't mean financially, most of the big talent was in their 40's or 50's and Verne had already developed a bad reputation. If you worked in the AWA Verne would low ball you as much as possible and if you tired going somewhere else he would try to claim your payout.
I like Jim Cornette, but he acts like the territories were still a talent trading buddies in the 80's but as you said they hated each other.
Harley didn't confront Hogan with a gun. He and Bob Geigel had an office in the building that WWF was running that night so the just stayed in the building till show time. He went into the locker room to talk to the Funks about why they were working for Vince because they had all been friends for years and were basically working opposition in his town. Hogan saw Harley, got scared like the coward he is and assumed Harley was there for him. He then got smacked in the ribs by Harley. No gun was present or involved and the only one who said there was one was Hogan who is lying as usual and trying to make himself seem more important than he is and to make himself look like something other than the coward he is because he did absolutely nothing when Harley smacked him. The gun story is just one of Hogan's many lies like the rolling Stones wanted him to play bass for them or how he was Elvis's favorite wrestler even though Elvis died two years before Hogan ever wrestled
I love Corny's stories when men where real men and calling the cops never crossed their minds. Actions had physical consequences.Corny is my crack rock. Thanks for my daily fix.💉
Amen
You like real men do ya. Lol
prof shad I'll give it to that's funny 😄
This is the best art
What about Verne, was he there?
Someone trying to put a hit on Vince McMahon in the 80s? Lol! Good luck with that.
Actually it wouldn't have been luck. Lucky for Vince those old promoters didn't get along much
Take Vince out, somebody else goes national eventually. Probably Jim Crockett Jr..
Pure nonsense. There was nothing inevitable about a nationwide wrestling promotion and ol' Jimbo's crew was a clown committee compared to what Vince put together.
Actually you're right, an INTERNATIONAL promotion was always inevitable, never mind a national one.
@@azapro911 You're a candy ass
Good old days
They contracted Enforcer Luciano
He threw a wheelchair (with a person in it) @ someone. 😆
Shout-out to Cincinnati Gardens! I saw a lot of wrestling there. It's a shame it was torn down 🙁
Vince is a decent guy mostly. It's a cut throat business. Not everyone can be happy all the time.
What about Bill Watts?
I think it was Gagne and Geigel and maybe Anderson were dis ussing it
What about Harley Race? Vince cost Race over half a million in losses over the St. Louis wrestling club by booking against him and taking their tv over. That’s a very good motive for Race to get even with Vince Jr. Eventhough Harley let bygones be bygones by joining the WWF in 86...
Race lost money because his business suxx
@@chrischar9428 He OConnor, and Geigle couldn’t book St. Louis like Sam Muncnik did. They booked horribly and paid their Kansas City people more and the main eventers a little less. Thus, the attendance dropped...😞
@@VolumedMusicMan they made it KC EAST
A bathroom stall is a politer way of saying a public toilet.
Someone call Geraldo Rivera.
I remember the story on Bruiser Brody -- I miss him.
Dick the Bruiser, not Brody.
Dying at JR peering out over the stall
JR said Watts said they were full of shit so wasn’t him
That cartoon is fucking hilarious
Bloody hell I didnt think Jim was actually going to name them haha..
I love the image of Jim as a mobster taking money for a hit job 😂 He hates Vince for exposing the business publicly. Key word PUBLICLY. Because the business was already getting exposed by family and friends but, Vince told the masses.
Since Jim hates Vince Russo’s guts big time, he could ask favors from the local wiseguys in Russo’s neighborhood to whack him
His company is dying. I wonder which one will die first?
that wouldnt be surprising. I mean he literally bought WCW and then just destroyed it. He didnt see any incite to keep it going as a separate promotion. Just to have some competition to the WWE brand. You need competition or look what happens...............your product becomes sht.
It would not be competetion anymore if you own both companies LOL
This the funniest wrestling story of all time out of context.
i dont understand why vince isnt in jail ...hes done soo much evil to many workers ...he is the devil
Why I don't feel sorry for the territories.
Take that back I do
Serious stuff , holy cow 🐄 blame HHH
What about Harley Race vs Vince Jr?
Vince is immortal
I think we can all agree on that
Nah
No man is immortal
Maybe in body. His mind has been numb for years. One look at the product says that.
@@reddg8352 Vince LITERALLY out lived damn near EVERY SINGLE LEGEND an he also faked his own death
IMMORTAL
@@jumboincredible bruh this the same nigga that faked being in that limo , not to mention that he damn near out lived EVERYONE
I never thought it was more than this guy has to go
Cornette enjoys this topic ever so slightly
Well goddamnit pal
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Wrestling Fan Logic
Fans: "Competition makes everyone better!"
Also Fans: "The territories should come back!"
....
Well If They Bring Back The Territories Then There Will Be Competition. And Not Just One Or Two But Five Or Six Different Promotions. Someone If Not A Couple Surely Could Give Good Competition
@@smokingthereefer92 You don't understand how territories worked. The whole point of them was that they would NOT compete against each other. "You stay over there and I stay over here. Don't come into my TERRITORY."
I'm not talking about actual invasions and war. I meant just ratings. Who had the better show and more viewership and competition like that.
@@smokingthereefer92 That was never a thing with territories. They never competed with each other over anything - ever. Only WCW and WWE competed against each other with television ratings and they were NOT territories. Territories were against competition. Period.
Yeh I understand that but we also live in a different time now. I feel like that's how it would go. For example would you tune to more northern wrestling to watch Steve Austin kick his boss ass every week (which most of us wanna be able to do that) or would you tune more into southern wrestling where say for example triple h was feuding with mankind. I'd rather take northern territory over the southern. So now the southern is trying to up their competition to do a better rating than the north. I feel like that's how it would go in today's time. Internet. Cable television. Online streaming. Etc.
Vern Gagne
yeah,im sure it was passed about the table at a meeting once by individuals. half jokeing and half trying to brag about how bad they are like some half drunk ass in a street fight,but no way did they sit down and seriously talk about putting a hit on vince ffs they couldnt even co promote a ppv let alone this! corny and others take this shit way to seriously,sure they were serious buisness men and hard ass and dodgy to deal with but they werent murder inc!
They were also ruthless business men too, especially in the 60's and before. The 70's they started softening, lucky for Vince Junior.
I wish the NWA promoters had colluded to have Vince whacked, wrestling would still be great today without Vince McMahon's WWE ruining it!
Vinny mac ruined pro wrestling and made it into a horrible bad joke
I watched alot of old pro wrestling. Alot of that shit in the territories was horrible. I will take 1980s and 90s wwf any day of the week .
Kenny Omega is the guy
Roy shire? Really? He exposed the business after he closed his doors.
Exactly the kind of guy to do something like this.
he had problems with the patriarca family
if anyone actually wanted to do this and tried to make it happen then they deserve to rot in hell as conspirators to murder
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Too bad they didnt.. vince ruined wrestling
no. cable tv would've killed the territories.
Vince saved wrestling & made it mainstream
Corny always trails off in every topic. He's supposed to be talking about promoters trying to kill Vince then he starts talking about a guy throwing a wheel chair