People were upset that Naruto took “out” Nagato with TNJ, but isn’t that the entire point of the arc? Wouldn’t it ending in a big battle between the two just perpetuate the circle of hatred and revenge?
I always thought one way to manage such a thing would be to hold perpratrators responsible for their actions and put systems in place to protect victims and help them rebuild. Because ultimately konoha aided in wrecking Pain's village and got away with it and never helped the place rebuild but Pain at least brought back konoha's dead
@@thirdplanet4471 he helped the mist that's a fact watch boruto but if you stop all the problems of the mist then no because that's not what he promised watch his speech with nagato he even said that if he couldn't not do that, then that the child jiraya speaks of in his book was not him. He asked nagato to believe in him and that he could do it
@@trihermawan9553 hidden ? what's hidden ? it's pretty shallow to be honest , deidara himself is a character with no character , someone who just wanted to surpass itachi
Poetry. Straight up poetry. You did a wonderful job articulating all of this and quite honestly it's the language I needed to elaborate as to why this series hits so close to home. Thank you
God Naruto is a 10. I love how I get comments on videos completely unrelated and unknown to my Naruto opinions (mostly on videos about Attack on Titan's ending) like, 'I bet you're also a fan of Naruto,' implying it's obvious bad quality. It's so funny that there's been a pushback in recent years against the abhorrent mistakes of basically everything 'analytical' TH-cam said 7 years ago, like everyone releasing the Nostalgia Critic was stupid or that Cinema Sins is dumb, yet the Naruto hate and constant dumb shit said about the series persists. One day, Kings, one day, Naruto's reputation won't be so barstardised.
This!!!! Naruto is brought up everywhere and everything anime related. If it’s as bad as they claim wouldn’t anything that is compared to it be automatically better than it? And that doesn’t speak of the inherent quality of the work that is being used to compare. Is something is shit being better than shit shouldn’t be your selling point but the bear minimum. The truth is naruto has become an ideal. It is literal put up against new anime despite ending 4 years ago. You would think any series to come out now should be better but noo. Let’s bring up a series that started in the early 2000’s and see if it holds against a series it probably influenced.
That is, if Boruto doesn't drag down daddy's reputation. I haven't seen enough analytical videos on Boruto to gauge any deeper meaning other than a 20yr modernization of already touched upon plot points with back and forth quality. I still watch the show each week though and the unique bits like the current arc are what makes it stand out.
naruto is a duumpster fire show with basic dialogs and to change retaarded villains who destroy villages for miner reasons and then some duumb kid who doesnt study with zero knowledge changed their minds by giving basic logic talk villains even after meeting hundreds of mature ppl and naruto gets shhitton of pllot armour and aspulls from his bf kishimoto with no explanation and dudes doesnt even train for his modes and he's from a elite clan even a child of prophecy and has a plot device inside of him and gets plot armor from random ghosts and side characters ar treated as garrbage no spotlight for them and ppl die for no reason after that they start making shhiity emotional craap amvs kishimoto loves diickriding naruho'e and dude cant even create shadow clone from beginning how dafuq was he able to create multiple clones just by seeing the scroll for couple of seconds and y didnt obito revived rin at the first place . this anime doesnt even make sense lmao naruto is a hyppocrite duumb flat character whos just being depressed all the time for no reason and keeps thinking about his past and the swing instead of moving forward and who was just simping over sakura the whole series and screaming the shiiitout of his rivals name the whole show one piece is better
pain fight was trrash becoz wen nagato destroyed the village he showed that strong villain energy but fighting naruto he was like let me remain like a scare crow like all naruto villains y didnt he used almighty push on naruto in the first place n than later died from a predictable small rasengan which was meters away 💀. lee vs gaara was a bs fight it was just about running fast aside of that lee lost the fight becoz of sand💀 even after being wayyyyyy faster than gaara than there naruto comes and defeats a stronger version of gaara without training his whole life this arc was definition of garrbage. Y didnt obito used his kamui against kakashi wasnt he fighting all the shinobi hours ago🤦♂️.naruto vs sasuke is the most shiitiest fight ever the whole fights didnt made sense base naruto was able to fight sasuke with sharingan n rennigan All the naruto fights ar nonsensical inlogical n doogshhit fights in anime if u liked that garrbage ur probably like 5 or u didnt watch anime besides naruto
13:45 This is what so many people that fail to understand Sasukes character don't get. They always wonder why doesn't Sasuke just go back to the village and be "good" if he now cares about Itachi. Doesn't he want to honor Itachis wish, they ask? No. Sasuke is his own man with his own ninja way. If he did that he would be supporting a village, a broken system that sees shinobi just as tools, system that thinks that genocide is a good price to pay for peace as stated in the video. They never get that. Sasuke then wanted revenge on danzo and when he got it his wind started to blow again. He wanted to understand Itachi more, he wanted to understand the world more. He went and spoke to the all knowing, the 4 hokage and he found a compromise and wanted to change the world for the better. He wasn't stagnant anymore. He even managed to make Orochimarus wind move again literally as he revived him and metaphorically as Orochimaru saw Sasuke as a change that needs to happen. Wind starts to blow again. Change happens. Maybe not always good, but someday it will be good.
Naruto series is only about naruto and boruto aspulling random power ups over n over again like getting 1000th aspuls from kishimoto ,plot device kurama, another aspul from hagoromo and than all the side characters ar treated like shhiit no spotlight for them meanwhile our boi sasuke lee gaara kakashi doesnt get a any spotlight n a win
but the point is , it is very cliche revenge arc , cliche and stupid , itachi killed the family ? i will kill itachi , itachi was forced by the village ? i will destroy the village , itachi wanted the greater good ? i will do the greater good , so boring
Danzo did face his own hypocrisy in the end and sacrificed himself for the village that's why he gets a small win by destroying Shisui's eye so his sacrifice wasn't entirely useless
This is one of your best videos as well as one of the best videos on Naruto. The way you were able to tie everything together was amazing Way to go CHADSDWARF
Deidara did accept at least Sasori as a peer and fellow artist, even as superior in some regards, even if he fundamentally disagreed with his philosophy.
well said, eventhough naruto series is not a "real world conflict" (at a glance) and resemble more like a hypothetical scenarios, but the writer & mangaka did try their best to present the problem and how the character resolve it, also thanks to you, through this kind of videos i'm able to do self-instropection and able to survive my depression (somehow), by accepting yourself , your flaw, and your strength, by stop denying the reality and accept it with its flaws, letting your feelings and emotion to flow like a river, and what is more important is, how to endure it, live with it, dude i think my friends would saw me as a weirdo if they found out i cry a lot when naruto choose not to kill nagato, and in the end nagato understood he fails, and he try to fix that, forgiveness, and self-forgiveness, acceptance, enduring those feelings, mix that with sadness and sorrow song, somehow i'm able to find myself throughout the confusion and darkness inside of my head again, thanks a lot
naruto is a duumpster fire show with basic dialogs and to change retaarded villains who destroy villages for miner reasons and then some duumb kid who doesnt study with zero knowledge changed their minds by giving basic logic talk villains even after meeting hundreds of mature ppl and naruto gets shhitton of pllot armour and aspulls from his bf kishimoto with no explanation and dudes doesnt even train for his modes and he's from a elite clan even a child of prophecy and has a plot device inside of him and gets plot armor from random ghosts and side characters ar treated as garrbage no spotlight for them and ppl die for no reason after that they start making shhiity emotional craap amvs kishimoto loves diickriding naruho'e and dude cant even create shadow clone from beginning how dafuq was he able to create multiple clones just by seeing the scroll for couple of seconds and y didnt obito revived rin at the first place . this anime doesnt even make sense lmao naruto is a hyppocrite duumb flat character whos just being depressed all the time for no reason and keeps thinking about his past and the swing instead of moving forward and who was just simping over sakura the whole series and screaming the shiiitout of his rivals name the whole show one piece is better
pain fight was trrash becoz wen nagato destroyed the village he showed that strong villain energy but fighting naruto he was like let me remain like a scare crow like all naruto villains y didnt he used almighty push on naruto in the first place n than later died from a predictable small rasengan which was meters away 💀. lee vs gaara was a bs fight it was just about running fast aside of that lee lost the fight becoz of sand💀 even after being wayyyyyy faster than gaara than there naruto comes and defeats a stronger version of gaara without training his whole life this arc was definition of garrbage. Y didnt obito used his kamui against kakashi wasnt he fighting all the shinobi hours ago🤦♂️.naruto vs sasuke is the most shiitiest fight ever the whole fights didnt made sense base naruto was able to fight sasuke with sharingan n rennigan All the naruto fights ar nonsensical inlogical n doogshhit fights in anime if u liked that garrbage ur probably like 5 or u didnt watch anime besides naruto
I just came to a weird epiphany after watching this. Talk no Jutsu is actually kinda like catching Pokémon, you have to weaken the opponent first and then you use the Pokéball/TnJ to add them to your team. It's also easier to do that if you understand your opponent because, like, Pokémon type advantages and stuff.
@@christinawalker101 Sasuke's that kid who releases his other Pokémon (Abandoning Konoha and severing all his bonds) as he figures out you can just solo the game by over-levelling your starter (i.e. he just spams his kekkei genkai and the curse mark)
Ah shit, i feel like i was outpaced. I wanted to make a video on Talk no Jutsu, hypocrisy and some characters but it feels like everything was pretty much said. I hope i'll get to add something through inspiration.
I like the talk no jutsu because it save people but I also hate because it hard to believe that after a few words you can change someone's ideals that easily
It’s not a few words. It’s a whole conversation. Negotiations. Proving them wrong. Don’t forget these villains truly want peace. If they realize that they are wrong then they will change. Obito reslzied he was wrong when neji died and Naruto still didn’t give up. He knew he was wrong but kept staying on madaras side because he was alr doing this plan for years. But as Naruto talked to him personally 1 on 1 obito had no choice but to accept the truth. The old obito wouldn’t have wanted this.
I'm glad you did this video, tearing into the contradictions of each characters understanding of what makes a Shinobi, is what makes Kishimoto's writing so good for me.
I remember watching your and Mattwiz’s videos 3 years ago and being blown away. This gave me another mini-feeling of that same experience. Great video. I’ve been a bit less interested in anime as of late, but glad to see you still upload.
28:39 Wait but didn't he himself address that after Naruto asked about it? That he has many ways of staying immortal and watch over the world for eternity? But other than that this was absolute masterpiece of a video. Another must watch for basically anyone interested in the series.
A lot of people that try to argue that Naruto is lacking seem to want to argue that because not all the problems were solved in the series missed the point. Naruto wasn't going to solve all the problems, but what he will do is help push the world forward to a better future. Madara/Kaguya's defeat wasn't the solution it was the first step towards peace. It was about enduring the pain while seeking a solution.
23:52 to 24:21 Its nice to see someone use Kaguya's character in a way to round off the story's themes instead of just writing it off as Madara good, Kaguya bad.
@@hunter424 nah kaguya is the worst , first it just repeated what other villains did before , she has no personality , which is the most important thing when you write a character , she is a bad character madara is boring , very simple characterization ,,too much monologues , no meaningful dialogues , him acknowledging the contradictions of the shinobi world and doing those contradictions in the next panel is unrealistic and straight up bad ,
@@wwe12153 kaguya didn’t repeat what the other villains did before wth!? She literally didn’t care about peace after she ate the fruit she just wanted to take ppls chakra. Personality is not the most important thing it’s actually writing like themes/development/ideology. Not only does she parallel Christianity (Adam and eve) she represents greed by eating the fruit and then after turning evil she wants all chakra returned to her because she is the “mother”.
One thing that has always bothered me about shinobi in general is how they talk about peace yet their job involves mercenary work, espionage and assassination especially for anbu. Besides if true peace was achieved they would all be poor. Also, there's no accountability. When konoha and the enemy they fought used Pain's village as collateral they got away with it and they left Pain's village in shambles yet when Pain attacks konoha he's treated as evil even after he brings back konoha's dead yet konoha got away with their crap and no one bats an eye. No one got punished for the Uchiha genocide and apparently in narutoverse clan genocides are a dime a dozen like Haku's clan, uzumaki clan, Yagura's civil war etc. Theres issues of slavery like the hyuuga clan, use of jinchuuriki, and the chaos of the part 1 chuunin exams. Hell in Hashirama's time it was a miracle for a child to make it to 13 years and that's just the iceberg. All in all the shinobi world is screwed up to the core. So l wonder how exactly can one stop the cycle of hatred when perpatrators aren't made to account for their crimes (sometimes even being victims themselves once upon a time), victims on receiving end of injustice have no support or aid of any kind to overcome and rise above.
It's shinobi world's hypocrisy. Look at leaf village. They talk about morals and act as if they hold the moral compass of the world but in reality hidden villages including Konoha are glorified mercenary organizations. The kill people for money. In the beginning Hirozen said that they receive all kind of missions. They won't see who they are killing as long as they get or they will starve.
@@muhammadzeagham4092 same shit that happens in real life don't be naive ofcourse you are gonna have to get your hands dirty to survive in a world like that. But the only real way to lessen that I through a slow process of understanding (pain). That's what naruto did for the shinobi world
They talk about peace because they are soldiers. Doe you think that they want to die. They do all the dirty work so there family can survive and still speak of peace because that's truly what they desire
@@welly4907 The problem here is that ninja are unaccountable to anyone and have no problem hurting others to fill their pockets but they cry like babies when they're on the receiving end of the same brutality that they cause. If they truly wanted peace then they should all become priests and retire from warfare and find peaceful ways to make money.
@@thirdplanet4471 no ninjas service there nation and will secrefice themself for there mission. Rogeninjas are just criminal so ofcourse they unaccountable until there are killed or captured
yes but one piece nails characterization and roles of characters...even a character like brook saved robin in thriller bark then gets saved by zoro which already had him have respect for him on top of the kuma moments then helps get the thing from big mom...a character we just met late into the series is clutch as hell...and adds so much to the narrative...naruto never did stuff like that..a pirate who used to be on a crew joining is so cool as an idea..
@@razkable Characterization?There is a lot of that in Naruto sasuke curse mark his chirodi his sharigan etc. Itachis crow. Obtio kamuai.Naruto eyes and even his clothes lol
Another Great Video. Glad to have you around since I find your content not only good but perspective changing, even if just slightly in some cases. Keep up the good work and just be yourself.
While these videos are really awesome and you do a good job ACTUALLY studying the series you cover I still have a lot of problems with the series like how Orichimaru is clearly the final boss but Kishimoto wasn't confident enough to end it early seeing as he was writing for shounen jump and had a lot of pressure on his back. Orochimaru was why I liked the series back in the day as he was a truly frightening, intelligent, and resourceful villain who was going to be very difficult to defeat, someone who it had seemed had contingency after contingency. When he denies that jutsu from the third hokage that shit was terrifying as a kid, he sealed Orichimaru's arms but at what cost? Kishimoto does a great job building these moments that make Orichimaru this threat and then he's not the main antagonist after a certain point. I just thought it was the most lost potential out of any of the plot personally. Keep in mind I have not seen the show in a long time and stopped when the manga ended in 2015 after its English release. So if I missed anything, that's my L.
Your video about the losers of Naruto and this one really changed me, Naruto went from a B tier to a S tier rivaling one piece good videos you even made me like Naruto again. But your last point it wasn’t talk no jutsu that saved sasuke, it was losing. Naruto didn’t say anything Sasuke didn’t know it was simply Naruto himself that changed Sasuke. Sasuke always fought and survived and when he lost the person who beat him wasn’t trying to save him or change him, Itachi was still playing the role of evil brother and even said his eyes was too weak. Madara defeated him to take his eyes. Every fight Sasuke got out of alive or won, he was proving their ideals weren’t right and that’s why they are dead and he was alive. All Naruto had to do was win, Sasuke knew Naruto’s ideals and no matter what talk no jutsu Naruto used Sasuke wouldn’t have listened, he needed to be proven wrong by Naruto keeping the peace by not killing him. Naruto won because Sasuke saw Naruto do what he said, he saved Sasuke without killing him Kaguya still sucks and what would’ve been better is if Madara dies because the chakra he obtained was harmful to himself and Madara has a choice to pass the power to someone else to have them die from it and it’s Hashirama that uses talk no jutsu doing what he couldn’t all those years ago and stop Madara and Madara decides to let the chakra kill him
What I dont like about TNJ is It's too fantasy. Life isn't that simple. You can't fix world hunger by giving a TED talk. Problems are usually 9/10 more complex to fix than just talking it out. Naruto seems to solve everything by punching and then talking. Naruto never met a real villain like Sukuna who would die clinging on his belief. Then what is he going to do?
"Itachi caused him GREAT PAIN. But perhaps that's because Itachi, too, had experienced so much" So, Itachi made Sasuke suffer because Itachi suffered. Screw Sasuke. Revenge is #1! *I'll just... pretend I didn't hear that.* :P It CAN kind of make sense if you argue it in a very specific way, but it also indirectly contradicts so much that - just..... No. XD
Also on the Itachi segment, you list his contradiction, but not his resolution. "Maybe if I had been honest with you from the beginning, you could have changed the clan". This is what would have stopped Itachi's compromise. Not doing this was his flaw. He only recognized this once he recognized Sasuke, in the end. That is the true tragedy of his character. Not his life, nor his contradiction, but him realizing (recognizing) his flaw and what he should have done from the beginning. Based on how you describe it in the video, it CAN be interpreted as Itachi living a not-awful life. At least in comparison to Haku. "Itachi's plot was one that manipulated the one he loved no differently than a tool. *Sasuke's emotions and feelings didn't matter.* What mattered is that Itachi BELIEVED he was thinking of him. Even as he used Sasuke for what he *BELIEVED TO BE* Sasuke's own benefit." Itachi DIED thinking this. It was not until the end of his Edo Tensei life that he realized he was wrong. This assumes that this did not bother Itachi throughout his entire life! "Sasuke was wielded as a tool for the sake of Itachi's love; Not Sasuke's own feelings... In wielding Sasuke like a tool, negligence of his younger brothers feelings... that brother would very much put his own feelings first. Even over those of the brother he came to understand." Itachi was selfish throughout his entire life, and this resulted in the suffering of the one he loved the most - his little brother. His own self interest blinded him to the point that he couldn't even recognize this blatantly obvious contradiction. This means that Itachi's character arc is just straight up "don't be obnoxiously and blatantly obsessively selfish to the point that you are blindsided from the world around you that you supposedly love" Itachi sucks. XD This takes a lot of the weight and meaning out of the tragedy of his character, as this is explored at the end with his recognition, as described above.
For FURTHER evidence of this, even after his death, Itachi still tried to control Sasuke. This is 1 through implanting Amaterasu to go off when he sees Obito's sharingan and 2 for kotoamatsukami to go off on him if he fights Naruto to destroy the leaf village. Even when revived with Edo Tensei, Itachi does not remove this factor. Instead, Itachi is forced to use that Koto on himself. Itachi would have left Koto with Naruto had Itachi been given a choice, but Kabuto essentially left him no other options. It is not until after the edo tensei is broken that Itachi, for the FIRST TIME can actually trust Sasuke. You know, the one he is supposed to love more than any other? Imagine not trusting the most precious person to you..... Haku blindly trusted Zabuza. Gaara blindly trusted his surrogate mother person that tried killing him. Kimimaro blindly trusted Orochimaru. These 3 trusted their most precious person so much that it resultred in all 3 of their deaths (Or in Gaara's case, her death, but that is a special case at no fault of Gaara) Heck, before the massacre, even SASUKE BLINDLY TRUSTED HIS MOST PRECIOUS PERSON TO HIM: *ITACHI..............* Itachi sucks. I rest my case. XD
FINALLY. It doesn't matter if Itachi is recognizing Sasuke in general (all forms of Sasuke, including pre-massacre Sasuke) becauses it is WHEN Itachi recognizes Sasuke that matters. He only recognizes Sasuke once Saske is nearing in power, relative to, or already surpassed Itachi (depending on your interpretation) which leads to the conclusion that Itachi believed Sasuke to be "too naiive" because Sasuke was weaker than him? Or because he perceived Sasuke as weak in general??!! This can assume that Itachi would have continued setting something up, controlling Sasuke in some way, not trusting in Sasuke or allowing him to choose whatever path he wants to walk down, before the edo tensei is released. Look at the examples listed above. Nobody who trusts the most precious person to them thinks that person is weak. Nor would they not trust (or think of them as naiive) if they were to be weaker than them, or that individuals perception of "weak". Screw Itachi! XD
For reference, I have a 50 page college thesis I am writing on why Madara is, and can ONLY be, the best character in all of fiction (objectively). So I would love a Madara video at some point. Maybe I could slide ya some pointers XD
at the time Kakashi lectured him he was too consumed by his hatred for his brother to see reason especially because it was right after itachi came back and reinforced that hatred.
Because kakashi didn’t talk to him to understand but to tell him he’s wrong for feeling this way and need to act against himself it’s like telling a person who is suicidal they are wrong for feeling that way and need to stop it wasn’t what sasuke needed to hear if kakashi told him I understand how I feel and if u wait we can all help u achieve ur goal but idk if you are getting the results u want it’s a different story then what kakashi actually said
Because Kakashi, despite best intentions, was speaking kinda horseshit on that dialogue. The only vengeance craving he could ever crave was on the rock ninja guy who destroyed the cave that crushed Obito. And he got it immediately. If anything it goes to show that maybe it's that vengeance that gave him the peace of mind he was able to achieve? Certainly a possibility at least. And his hypocrisy only goes deeper when he encourages seeking vengeance in Akatsuki Suppression, even though leaving village without permission in order to battle is also technically a crime and dragging along 2 other people to certain death is much worse. Reason? Difference in power. He just knows Konoha is too fucking weak for taking down Itachi so he tells him to let go, even though Sasuke "deserves" his revenge much more than Shikamaru. And if the system he lives in fails to do it's job that happens to be HIS ONLY REASON FOR LIVING, then why would he care one bit about it? Anybody would see it as worthless in his place. If Sasuke lost to Gaara while embracing bonds, Sarutobi lost to Orochimaru and Kakashi lost to Itachi, then why would anyone expect Sasuke to NOT think that solitude is the path to true strength? And it certainly worked out for him.
@@Reality-Distortion i agree with most of this but how tf did sasuke deserve his revenge more then shikumaru and kakashi what 2 ppl he dragged to they death and tsunade approved the mission to go take out kakazu and hidan because they just attacked the village and was near by and she only let shikumaru go because kakashi offered to go sasuke mission with itachi wasn’t a problem it was never approved or did it benefit the leaf or sasuke so if anything sasuke didn’t deserve it more and u gotta at this kakashi was close to asuma so he was getting revenge for a friend he didn’t know sasuke family and like I said revenge didn’t benefit sasuke so he was right but not right instead of telling sasuke what u doing is wrong he should have said wait and we can go together
@@dancarli8639 1. That's the thing - Shikamaru intended to go with only his teammates, which would be a suicide. And they were allowed to go ONLY because Kakashi tagged along. 2. I agree that Kakashi should've supported Sasuke and not just tell him to forget about it. It's an abysmal advice to be honest. 3. Saying that Itachi wasn't a problem is a complete bullshit. He's the most dangerous criminal in the Konoha's history and already came to it once and is associated with organization that is a threat. Also every village is obligated to deal with their nukenins. 4. Sorry but asking why does Sasuke deserve his revenge more is such a stupid question... in what world are their circumstances even comparable? Shikamaru's master dying is a walk through a park next to arguably the most fucked backstory of the series.
I disagree with your premise that Naruto did not try to reach out to Sasuke during their fight in The Valley of The End. To say that Naruto failed to reach Sasuke would be more accurate.
Sorry for the bothersome comments, but also not sure what exactly you are referring to with Orochimaru becoming stagnant. If he DID become stagnant then your point is significantly and substantially validated, as you provide plenty of complementary arguments, I'm just not sure how well your evidence stands up. He sees the village as stagnant, so he changes it by destroying it - giving up the past for a new present. He joined the Akatsuki, gave up on that. He even tried to "destroy" the Akatsuki by killing Sasori. When that didn't work out, rather than abandoning Kannabi bridge (stagnation) he instead stayed to fight FOR NO GOOD REASON (change). This even lead to further fostering of the next generation. If anything, Jiraiya is the one who stagnated by not training the next gen. Look at how much Sakura improved during the time skip compared to her part 1 self, and especially how much Sasuke improved. Compared to these two, Naruto had an internal battle all of the first 3 arcs of Shippudden about how weak he was... Pathetic ;.; Getting back on track, Orochimaru couldn't beat Itachi, so rather than having a "death grip on the past that he could not let go of" and continuing to pursue Itachi, he instead chose to give up on that specifically to foster the next generation with Sasuke. So much so, that Sasuke was fostered enough to SURPASS Orochimaru. You consider this as a contradiction to Orochimaru whereas I do not. Orochimaru was always changing, as he was a scientist who wanted to know all jutsu. He constantly experimented on numerous things, always changing and adapting. Again - so much so that he literally changed his OWN body. To me, Orochimaru is the embodiment of change rather than of stagnation.
yo pls make a vid on hope and hypocrisy on naruto pls i would definitely sub tbh i like the way you think make a in depth video pls i can be your editor bc i do edits for free
@@ndjpanther9210 Yoooo that's craaazy man! For real? I will definitely do a vid on this (and plenty more Naruto vids) in the future, but on a different channel than this one. You can message me on Discord if you have it ood#3952
@@Sweetdude64 if you do do vids I'mma sub lol I saw your other comments you went in! *I like craftsdwarfs vids n I still dig his vid n points made but I also agreed w/you lots as well lol.
@@Crunchysopa52 Haha nice, i already have a ton of ideas and even a few scripts already written. I've studied screenwriting seriously since I was 18 and I'm about to turn 23. I'm in my last year of college where I've taken screenwriting classes
By the way, is there any specific reason you left Gaara off this list? I feel like Gaara vs Sasuke ideology-wise was crucial to the Chunin Exams arc during the entirety of it. It is THE first plot point developed in the arc. Directly after the land of waves, when they get back to the village, and Team 7 is introduced to Gaara and his team.
ALSO also, no Part 1 Itachi? Since we are talking about Sasuke and recognition, this was directly, expressly and obviously explored in their brief encounter in Part 1 D;
I'm confused in your line of reasoning. So, there are clear disparities between part 1 Sasuke and Shippudden Sasuke in terms of resolve. Rather than treating these are 2 different characters, separated by a skippage of time, you seem to grasp at straws by claiming Sasuke took on Naruto's flaws. You claim that whereas Sasuke allowed Naruto to test his resolve, leading to Naruto utterly failing to compromise, this lead Sasuke to adapt this failing ideology? This makes no sense to me. Sasuke didn't "show no mercy" to enemies because he beat Naruto :P If anything, I believe that beating Naruto would strengthen his ideals and further his resolve, rather than the opposite that you seem to be claiming. If not that, then AT LEAST acknowledging Naruto's ideals as a failure and moving on - leading to a stagnant character rather than literally regressing into a weaker conviction. What do you think? Hopefully that came across as NOT unbearably rude... :P
Sasuke prefers to meet people with stagnation and despair. He tried to acknowledge Naruto, but Naruto didn’t acknowledge him just like nobody truly acknowledged sasuke his entire life. It was always about other peoples wants (what Itachi wanted for sasuke, what kakashi wanted for sasuke, what Sakura wanted for sasuke, what Naruto wanted for sasuke, what his father wanted for him) but never about what Sasuke wanted for sasuke. It was always about them and their needs, so it showed him that understanding your opponents or understanding others in this world is pointless, so that’s why he met people with the stagnation that everyone had met him with his entire life.
Talk no jutsu is good but there should be limits to it. the conclusion to the pain arc sucks cause the tnj doesn't work there Nagato had tried finding alternative everywhere but saw he had no other solutions to try and bring some peace, he even read jiraya book and saw no answer yet naruto changed his heart without finding any solution just reading the same book. Also it doesn't work where obito is fully redeemed same guy that caused naruto parents, countless other's to die and toiled beast to die. He had a choice and his choice of destruction doesn't work the way naruto present it. You also have the 5 nations just one speech and now they all work together without any drama like the hyuga could have had some beef with Ao or Hinata and Neji with the cloud, everyone just worked well together right away. There is nothing wrong with tnj but it felt forced later onwards to the point they forgave orochimaru and kabuto
I'm glad you did this video, tearing into the contradictions of each characters understanding of what makes a Shinobi, is what makes Kishimoto's writing so good for me.
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People were upset that Naruto took “out” Nagato with TNJ, but isn’t that the entire point of the arc? Wouldn’t it ending in a big battle between the two just perpetuate the circle of hatred and revenge?
I always thought one way to manage such a thing would be to hold perpratrators responsible for their actions and put systems in place to protect victims and help them rebuild. Because ultimately konoha aided in wrecking Pain's village and got away with it and never helped the place rebuild but Pain at least brought back konoha's dead
@@thirdplanet4471 Funny enough this is addressed in Boruto.
@@thirdplanet4471 naruto promised in his speech to nagato that he would become hokage and help the mist
@@welly4907 Which manga chapter, light novel, or episode did Naruto fulfill the promise
@@thirdplanet4471 he helped the mist that's a fact watch boruto but if you stop all the problems of the mist then no because that's not what he promised watch his speech with nagato he even said that if he couldn't not do that, then that the child jiraya speaks of in his book was not him. He asked nagato to believe in him and that he could do it
Never thought about Deidara or Kabuto that way. It’s nice to see a positive change to my perception on the series through this video.
Cant blame you tho, all of these hidden message were hidden among the pretense of shounen contents
@@trihermawan9553 hidden ? what's hidden ? it's pretty shallow to be honest , deidara himself is a character with no character , someone who just wanted to surpass itachi
This is the best Naruto video on the internet.
ok simp
watch, "In defense of Naruto and Sasuke: A Misunderstood Dynamic" by Hotboyspicy.
One of them
Poetry. Straight up poetry. You did a wonderful job articulating all of this and quite honestly it's the language I needed to elaborate as to why this series hits so close to home. Thank you
God Naruto is a 10. I love how I get comments on videos completely unrelated and unknown to my Naruto opinions (mostly on videos about Attack on Titan's ending) like, 'I bet you're also a fan of Naruto,' implying it's obvious bad quality. It's so funny that there's been a pushback in recent years against the abhorrent mistakes of basically everything 'analytical' TH-cam said 7 years ago, like everyone releasing the Nostalgia Critic was stupid or that Cinema Sins is dumb, yet the Naruto hate and constant dumb shit said about the series persists. One day, Kings, one day, Naruto's reputation won't be so barstardised.
Naruto is to Based for words
This!!!! Naruto is brought up everywhere and everything anime related. If it’s as bad as they claim wouldn’t anything that is compared to it be automatically better than it? And that doesn’t speak of the inherent quality of the work that is being used to compare. Is something is shit being better than shit shouldn’t be your selling point but the bear minimum.
The truth is naruto has become an ideal. It is literal put up against new anime despite ending 4 years ago. You would think any series to come out now should be better but noo. Let’s bring up a series that started in the early 2000’s and see if it holds against a series it probably influenced.
That is, if Boruto doesn't drag down daddy's reputation. I haven't seen enough analytical videos on Boruto to gauge any deeper meaning other than a 20yr modernization of already touched upon plot points with back and forth quality. I still watch the show each week though and the unique bits like the current arc are what makes it stand out.
naruto is a duumpster fire show with basic dialogs and to change retaarded villains who destroy villages for miner reasons and then some duumb kid who doesnt study with zero knowledge changed their minds by giving basic logic talk villains even after meeting hundreds of mature ppl and naruto gets shhitton of pllot armour and aspulls from his bf kishimoto with no explanation and dudes doesnt even train for his modes and he's from a elite clan even a child of prophecy and has a plot device inside of him and gets plot armor from random ghosts and side characters ar treated as garrbage no spotlight for them and ppl die for no reason after that they start making shhiity emotional craap amvs kishimoto loves diickriding naruho'e and dude cant even create shadow clone from beginning how dafuq was he able to create multiple clones just by seeing the scroll for couple of seconds and y didnt obito revived rin at the first place . this anime doesnt even make sense lmao
naruto is a hyppocrite duumb flat character whos just being depressed all the time for no reason and keeps thinking about his past and the swing instead of moving forward and who was just simping over sakura the whole series and screaming the shiiitout of his rivals name the whole show
one piece is better
pain fight was trrash becoz wen nagato destroyed the village he showed that strong villain energy but fighting naruto he was like let me remain like a scare crow like all naruto villains y didnt he used almighty push on naruto in the first place n than later died from a predictable small rasengan which was meters away 💀. lee vs gaara was a bs fight it was just about running fast aside of that lee lost the fight becoz of sand💀 even after being wayyyyyy faster than gaara than there naruto comes and defeats a stronger version of gaara without training his whole life this arc was definition of garrbage. Y didnt obito used his kamui against kakashi wasnt he fighting all the shinobi hours ago🤦♂️.naruto vs sasuke is the most shiitiest fight ever the whole fights didnt made sense base naruto was able to fight sasuke with sharingan n rennigan
All the naruto fights ar nonsensical inlogical n doogshhit fights in anime if u liked that garrbage ur probably like 5 or u didnt watch anime besides naruto
13:45 This is what so many people that fail to understand Sasukes character don't get. They always wonder why doesn't Sasuke just go back to the village and be "good" if he now cares about Itachi. Doesn't he want to honor Itachis wish, they ask? No. Sasuke is his own man with his own ninja way. If he did that he would be supporting a village, a broken system that sees shinobi just as tools, system that thinks that genocide is a good price to pay for peace as stated in the video. They never get that. Sasuke then wanted revenge on danzo and when he got it his wind started to blow again. He wanted to understand Itachi more, he wanted to understand the world more. He went and spoke to the all knowing, the 4 hokage and he found a compromise and wanted to change the world for the better. He wasn't stagnant anymore. He even managed to make Orochimarus wind move again literally as he revived him and metaphorically as Orochimaru saw Sasuke as a change that needs to happen. Wind starts to blow again. Change happens. Maybe not always good, but someday it will be good.
Naruto series is only about naruto and boruto aspulling random power ups over n over again like getting 1000th aspuls from kishimoto ,plot device kurama, another aspul from hagoromo and than all the side characters ar treated like shhiit no spotlight for them meanwhile our boi sasuke lee gaara kakashi doesnt get a any spotlight n a win
@@andrewdasilva7786 what does this have to do with anything here
but the point is , it is very cliche revenge arc , cliche and stupid , itachi killed the family ? i will kill itachi , itachi was forced by the village ? i will destroy the village , itachi wanted the greater good ? i will do the greater good , so boring
@@wwe12153 That's natural progression. It makes perfect sense for Sasukes character to do that
@@filipgasic2642 shouldn’t he at least take time to reflect after what obito told him ?
Danzo did face his own hypocrisy in the end and sacrificed himself for the village that's why he gets a small win by destroying Shisui's eye so his sacrifice wasn't entirely useless
This is one of your best videos as well as one of the best videos on Naruto. The way you were able to tie everything together was amazing Way to go CHADSDWARF
His Sasuke one is even better
Casually releasing the best analysis of Naruto on TH-cam. What a chad.
His Sasuke one is even better
I think this one's better. Both are with Mathwiz's videos some of the very, very few good Naruto videos on YT.
@@obvilion2060 the "few" part is very true lol
I am so glad for channels like these that deep dive into themes of Anime, cause I'm to stupid to get this stuff. Thanks for the great video.
Great video, the Orochimaru part was very interesting.
Finally, A Naruto video in depth
If I had to sum up this analysis in a word, that would be "beautiful"
Thank you people always make fun of it but I always argue how amazing it is
Deidara did accept at least Sasori as a peer and fellow artist, even as superior in some regards, even if he fundamentally disagreed with his philosophy.
man, what a great video, honestly.
thanks for explaining that kanji thing, i never knew that.
well said, eventhough naruto series is not a "real world conflict" (at a glance) and resemble more like a hypothetical scenarios, but the writer & mangaka did try their best to present the problem and how the character resolve it, also thanks to you, through this kind of videos i'm able to do self-instropection and able to survive my depression (somehow), by accepting yourself , your flaw, and your strength, by stop denying the reality and accept it with its flaws, letting your feelings and emotion to flow like a river, and what is more important is, how to endure it, live with it, dude i think my friends would saw me as a weirdo if they found out i cry a lot when naruto choose not to kill nagato, and in the end nagato understood he fails, and he try to fix that, forgiveness, and self-forgiveness, acceptance, enduring those feelings, mix that with sadness and sorrow song, somehow i'm able to find myself throughout the confusion and darkness inside of my head
again, thanks a lot
To be fair naruto never forgave nagato, Naruto appreciated him for his final sacrifice.
naruto is a duumpster fire show with basic dialogs and to change retaarded villains who destroy villages for miner reasons and then some duumb kid who doesnt study with zero knowledge changed their minds by giving basic logic talk villains even after meeting hundreds of mature ppl and naruto gets shhitton of pllot armour and aspulls from his bf kishimoto with no explanation and dudes doesnt even train for his modes and he's from a elite clan even a child of prophecy and has a plot device inside of him and gets plot armor from random ghosts and side characters ar treated as garrbage no spotlight for them and ppl die for no reason after that they start making shhiity emotional craap amvs kishimoto loves diickriding naruho'e and dude cant even create shadow clone from beginning how dafuq was he able to create multiple clones just by seeing the scroll for couple of seconds and y didnt obito revived rin at the first place . this anime doesnt even make sense lmao
naruto is a hyppocrite duumb flat character whos just being depressed all the time for no reason and keeps thinking about his past and the swing instead of moving forward and who was just simping over sakura the whole series and screaming the shiiitout of his rivals name the whole show
one piece is better
pain fight was trrash becoz wen nagato destroyed the village he showed that strong villain energy but fighting naruto he was like let me remain like a scare crow like all naruto villains y didnt he used almighty push on naruto in the first place n than later died from a predictable small rasengan which was meters away 💀. lee vs gaara was a bs fight it was just about running fast aside of that lee lost the fight becoz of sand💀 even after being wayyyyyy faster than gaara than there naruto comes and defeats a stronger version of gaara without training his whole life this arc was definition of garrbage. Y didnt obito used his kamui against kakashi wasnt he fighting all the shinobi hours ago🤦♂️.naruto vs sasuke is the most shiitiest fight ever the whole fights didnt made sense base naruto was able to fight sasuke with sharingan n rennigan
All the naruto fights ar nonsensical inlogical n doogshhit fights in anime if u liked that garrbage ur probably like 5 or u didnt watch anime besides naruto
@@andrewdasilva7786 either you didn't watch the show or this is a bait
I just came to a weird epiphany after watching this. Talk no Jutsu is actually kinda like catching Pokémon, you have to weaken the opponent first and then you use the Pokéball/TnJ to add them to your team.
It's also easier to do that if you understand your opponent because, like, Pokémon type advantages and stuff.
so is Sasuke just a Pikachu
@@christinawalker101 Sasuke's that kid who releases his other Pokémon (Abandoning Konoha and severing all his bonds) as he figures out you can just solo the game by over-levelling your starter (i.e. he just spams his kekkei genkai and the curse mark)
God tier analogy tbh
Lol
Congrats! You just explained why pokémon value strong trainers!
Sad that Hashirama and Madara’s dream couldn’t be fulfilled in their lifetime.
I miss your naruto videos.
Ah shit, i feel like i was outpaced. I wanted to make a video on Talk no Jutsu, hypocrisy and some characters but it feels like everything was pretty much said. I hope i'll get to add something through inspiration.
Make it. More perspectives are good even if you say some of the same things
@@filipgasic2642 Yes i'll try thank you
Kabuto really is an underrated Naruto villain
His past is one of the most miserable one gotta admit to that
Peak analysis imo
An amazing follow up to an already great video! Thank you for this video!
I like the talk no jutsu because it save people but I also hate because it hard to believe that after a few words you can change someone's ideals that easily
It’s not a few words. It’s a whole conversation. Negotiations. Proving them wrong. Don’t forget these villains truly want peace. If they realize that they are wrong then they will change. Obito reslzied he was wrong when neji died and Naruto still didn’t give up. He knew he was wrong but kept staying on madaras side because he was alr doing this plan for years. But as Naruto talked to him personally 1 on 1 obito had no choice but to accept the truth. The old obito wouldn’t have wanted this.
I'm glad you did this video, tearing into the contradictions of each characters understanding of what makes a Shinobi, is what makes Kishimoto's writing so good for me.
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Damn........
Definitely one of your best vids. The points about how to read the nin 忍 kanji and Sasuke's stagnancy were really good.
I remember watching your and Mattwiz’s videos 3 years ago and being blown away. This gave me another mini-feeling of that same experience. Great video. I’ve been a bit less interested in anime as of late, but glad to see you still upload.
I love Naruto videos like this.
28:39 Wait but didn't he himself address that after Naruto asked about it? That he has many ways of staying immortal and watch over the world for eternity?
But other than that this was absolute masterpiece of a video. Another must watch for basically anyone interested in the series.
Stellar video. That’s all the words I have for how this made me feel.
I’m glad you guys made these videos. When I ever I have seen people basically talk bad about the subject I usually link your videos
A lot of people that try to argue that Naruto is lacking seem to want to argue that because not all the problems were solved in the series missed the point. Naruto wasn't going to solve all the problems, but what he will do is help push the world forward to a better future. Madara/Kaguya's defeat wasn't the solution it was the first step towards peace. It was about enduring the pain while seeking a solution.
this analysis on the words "nin" and "shinobi" was fucking amazing
23:52 to 24:21
Its nice to see someone use Kaguya's character in a way to round off the story's themes instead of just writing it off as Madara good, Kaguya bad.
madara bad , kahuya bad , better ?
@@wwe12153madara good, kaguya good but rushed, better.
@@hunter424 nah kaguya is the worst , first it just repeated what other villains did before , she has no personality , which is the most important thing when you write a character , she is a bad character
madara is boring , very simple characterization ,,too much monologues , no meaningful dialogues , him acknowledging the contradictions of the shinobi world and doing those contradictions in the next panel is unrealistic and straight up bad ,
@@wwe12153 kaguya didn’t repeat what the other villains did before wth!? She literally didn’t care about peace after she ate the fruit she just wanted to take ppls chakra. Personality is not the most important thing it’s actually writing like themes/development/ideology. Not only does she parallel Christianity (Adam and eve) she represents greed by eating the fruit and then after turning evil she wants all chakra returned to her because she is the “mother”.
@@wwe12153 madara I havnt gone into yet, when I go into madaras character I will return back to u
One thing that has always bothered me about shinobi in general is how they talk about peace yet their job involves mercenary work, espionage and assassination especially for anbu. Besides if true peace was achieved they would all be poor. Also, there's no accountability. When konoha and the enemy they fought used Pain's village as collateral they got away with it and they left Pain's village in shambles yet when Pain attacks konoha he's treated as evil even after he brings back konoha's dead yet konoha got away with their crap and no one bats an eye. No one got punished for the Uchiha genocide and apparently in narutoverse clan genocides are a dime a dozen like Haku's clan, uzumaki clan, Yagura's civil war etc. Theres issues of slavery like the hyuuga clan, use of jinchuuriki, and the chaos of the part 1 chuunin exams. Hell in Hashirama's time it was a miracle for a child to make it to 13 years and that's just the iceberg.
All in all the shinobi world is screwed up to the core. So l wonder how exactly can one stop the cycle of hatred when perpatrators aren't made to account for their crimes (sometimes even being victims themselves once upon a time), victims on receiving end of injustice have no support or aid of any kind to overcome and rise above.
It's shinobi world's hypocrisy.
Look at leaf village. They talk about morals and act as if they hold the moral compass of the world but in reality hidden villages including Konoha are glorified mercenary organizations. The kill people for money. In the beginning Hirozen said that they receive all kind of missions. They won't see who they are killing as long as they get or they will starve.
@@muhammadzeagham4092 same shit that happens in real life don't be naive ofcourse you are gonna have to get your hands dirty to survive in a world like that. But the only real way to lessen that I through a slow process of understanding (pain). That's what naruto did for the shinobi world
They talk about peace because they are soldiers. Doe you think that they want to die. They do all the dirty work so there family can survive and still speak of peace because that's truly what they desire
@@welly4907 The problem here is that ninja are unaccountable to anyone and have no problem hurting others to fill their pockets but they cry like babies when they're on the receiving end of the same brutality that they cause. If they truly wanted peace then they should all become priests and retire from warfare and find peaceful ways to make money.
@@thirdplanet4471 no ninjas service there nation and will secrefice themself for there mission. Rogeninjas are just criminal so ofcourse they unaccountable until there are killed or captured
Amazing video, the ending just caps it off.
Beautiful ✨️
Naruto dialogue is top tier nothing tops it
yes but one piece nails characterization and roles of characters...even a character like brook saved robin in thriller bark then gets saved by zoro which already had him have respect for him on top of the kuma moments then helps get the thing from big mom...a character we just met late into the series is clutch as hell...and adds so much to the narrative...naruto never did stuff like that..a pirate who used to be on a crew joining is so cool as an idea..
@@razkable Characterization?There is a lot of that in Naruto sasuke curse mark his chirodi his sharigan etc. Itachis crow. Obtio kamuai.Naruto eyes and even his clothes lol
@@razkable and narrative impact isn’t really a good aspect for characters? Like how does impacting the narrative makes the character well written lol
@@razkable again. In every naruto video i see you, downplaying it, and showing a lack of understanding of the series. Who brought up one piece my guy
@@jin4712 And ironically he has a Naruto PFP
Stop making me like Naruto!! I used to be on the bleach team now I'm in both!!
Love and let love!
Big 3 gang
Another Great Video.
Glad to have you around since I find your content not only good but perspective changing, even if just slightly in some cases. Keep up the good work and just be yourself.
You forgot Sasuke had ways of not dying but great video mate 👍
Is somewhat weird to use music of other animes when Naruto has so much amazing tracks.
Naruto is as a deep series
God I love your videos
Neat.
Great video!
Nice
While these videos are really awesome and you do a good job ACTUALLY studying the series you cover I still have a lot of problems with the series like how Orichimaru is clearly the final boss but Kishimoto wasn't confident enough to end it early seeing as he was writing for shounen jump and had a lot of pressure on his back. Orochimaru was why I liked the series back in the day as he was a truly frightening, intelligent, and resourceful villain who was going to be very difficult to defeat, someone who it had seemed had contingency after contingency. When he denies that jutsu from the third hokage that shit was terrifying as a kid, he sealed Orichimaru's arms but at what cost? Kishimoto does a great job building these moments that make Orichimaru this threat and then he's not the main antagonist after a certain point. I just thought it was the most lost potential out of any of the plot personally.
Keep in mind I have not seen the show in a long time and stopped when the manga ended in 2015 after its English release. So if I missed anything, that's my L.
Tldr :
Depressed people need talk no jutsu.
Your video about the losers of Naruto and this one really changed me, Naruto went from a B tier to a S tier rivaling one piece good videos you even made me like Naruto again.
But your last point it wasn’t talk no jutsu that saved sasuke, it was losing. Naruto didn’t say anything Sasuke didn’t know it was simply Naruto himself that changed Sasuke. Sasuke always fought and survived and when he lost the person who beat him wasn’t trying to save him or change him, Itachi was still playing the role of evil brother and even said his eyes was too weak. Madara defeated him to take his eyes. Every fight Sasuke got out of alive or won, he was proving their ideals weren’t right and that’s why they are dead and he was alive. All Naruto had to do was win, Sasuke knew Naruto’s ideals and no matter what talk no jutsu Naruto used Sasuke wouldn’t have listened, he needed to be proven wrong by Naruto keeping the peace by not killing him. Naruto won because Sasuke saw Naruto do what he said, he saved Sasuke without killing him
Kaguya still sucks and what would’ve been better is if Madara dies because the chakra he obtained was harmful to himself and Madara has a choice to pass the power to someone else to have them die from it and it’s Hashirama that uses talk no jutsu doing what he couldn’t all those years ago and stop Madara and Madara decides to let the chakra kill him
what? bruh , this video alone makes naruto rivals one piece ? most of what in the video is head canon
@@wwe12153it’s called analyzing writing not head cannon
I guess i called this as a diplomatic jutsu
Oh, no, Made in Abyss OST. Ouch
we go hit with
Talk no Jutsu
I wish someone would do an indebth analysis video series like this but for pokemon.
Goddam, TH-cam hates putting your videos in my sub box
#justacommentofappreciation
I understand that talking can resolve some conflicts, but it cannot resolve every conflict.
that why fiction existe bro .
They actually go into this madara was a guy who didn’t get changed by talk no jutsu or hidan plenty of ppl
Madara would actually needed "Bible" studies with women in his bedroom every night . Maybe then he would had rainbows in his mind.
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What I dont like about TNJ is It's too fantasy. Life isn't that simple. You can't fix world hunger by giving a TED talk. Problems are usually 9/10 more complex to fix than just talking it out. Naruto seems to solve everything by punching and then talking. Naruto never met a real villain like Sukuna who would die clinging on his belief. Then what is he going to do?
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What's the song at 18:34?
I don’t know
I love you
Please do a video on Sakura. We need this level of understanding for her. Tired of the mindless hate
Sakura is an objectively garbage character.
"Itachi caused him GREAT PAIN. But perhaps that's because Itachi, too, had experienced so much"
So, Itachi made Sasuke suffer because Itachi suffered. Screw Sasuke. Revenge is #1!
*I'll just... pretend I didn't hear that.* :P
It CAN kind of make sense if you argue it in a very specific way, but it also indirectly contradicts so much that - just.....
No.
XD
Also on the Itachi segment, you list his contradiction, but not his resolution.
"Maybe if I had been honest with you from the beginning, you could have changed the clan".
This is what would have stopped Itachi's compromise. Not doing this was his flaw. He only recognized this once he recognized Sasuke, in the end. That is the true tragedy of his character. Not his life, nor his contradiction, but him realizing (recognizing) his flaw and what he should have done from the beginning.
Based on how you describe it in the video, it CAN be interpreted as Itachi living a not-awful life. At least in comparison to Haku.
"Itachi's plot was one that manipulated the one he loved no differently than a tool. *Sasuke's emotions and feelings didn't matter.* What mattered is that Itachi BELIEVED he was thinking of him. Even as he used Sasuke for what he *BELIEVED TO BE* Sasuke's own benefit."
Itachi DIED thinking this. It was not until the end of his Edo Tensei life that he realized he was wrong. This assumes that this did not bother Itachi throughout his entire life!
"Sasuke was wielded as a tool for the sake of Itachi's love; Not Sasuke's own feelings... In wielding Sasuke like a tool, negligence of his younger brothers feelings... that brother would very much put his own feelings first. Even over those of the brother he came to understand."
Itachi was selfish throughout his entire life, and this resulted in the suffering of the one he loved the most - his little brother. His own self interest blinded him to the point that he couldn't even recognize this blatantly obvious contradiction.
This means that Itachi's character arc is just straight up "don't be obnoxiously and blatantly obsessively selfish to the point that you are blindsided from the world around you that you supposedly love"
Itachi sucks. XD
This takes a lot of the weight and meaning out of the tragedy of his character, as this is explored at the end with his recognition, as described above.
For FURTHER evidence of this, even after his death, Itachi still tried to control Sasuke. This is 1 through implanting Amaterasu to go off when he sees Obito's sharingan and 2 for kotoamatsukami to go off on him if he fights Naruto to destroy the leaf village. Even when revived with Edo Tensei, Itachi does not remove this factor. Instead, Itachi is forced to use that Koto on himself. Itachi would have left Koto with Naruto had Itachi been given a choice, but Kabuto essentially left him no other options.
It is not until after the edo tensei is broken that Itachi, for the FIRST TIME can actually trust Sasuke. You know, the one he is supposed to love more than any other?
Imagine not trusting the most precious person to you.....
Haku blindly trusted Zabuza.
Gaara blindly trusted his surrogate mother person that tried killing him.
Kimimaro blindly trusted Orochimaru.
These 3 trusted their most precious person so much that it resultred in all 3 of their deaths (Or in Gaara's case, her death, but that is a special case at no fault of Gaara)
Heck, before the massacre, even SASUKE BLINDLY TRUSTED HIS MOST PRECIOUS PERSON TO HIM: *ITACHI..............*
Itachi sucks.
I rest my case. XD
FINALLY. It doesn't matter if Itachi is recognizing Sasuke in general (all forms of Sasuke, including pre-massacre Sasuke) becauses it is WHEN Itachi recognizes Sasuke that matters.
He only recognizes Sasuke once Saske is nearing in power, relative to, or already surpassed Itachi (depending on your interpretation) which leads to the conclusion that Itachi believed Sasuke to be "too naiive" because Sasuke was weaker than him? Or because he perceived Sasuke as weak in general??!!
This can assume that Itachi would have continued setting something up, controlling Sasuke in some way, not trusting in Sasuke or allowing him to choose whatever path he wants to walk down, before the edo tensei is released.
Look at the examples listed above. Nobody who trusts the most precious person to them thinks that person is weak. Nor would they not trust (or think of them as naiive) if they were to be weaker than them, or that individuals perception of "weak".
Screw Itachi! XD
Stuff like this makes me wish for a naruto reboot in about a decade that has better animation and pacing
Wait, you're Sasuke and Mathwiz is Naruto?
For reference, I have a 50 page college thesis I am writing on why Madara is, and can ONLY be, the best character in all of fiction (objectively).
So I would love a Madara video at some point. Maybe I could slide ya some pointers XD
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@@yoruzuyatrio5313 I mean basically
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Why didn't Sasuke listened to Kakashi considering he could relate to Sasuke's Pain but he did with Naruto in their second fight at VOTE?
at the time Kakashi lectured him he was too consumed by his hatred for his brother to see reason especially because it was right after itachi came back and reinforced that hatred.
Because kakashi didn’t talk to him to understand but to tell him he’s wrong for feeling this way and need to act against himself it’s like telling a person who is suicidal they are wrong for feeling that way and need to stop it wasn’t what sasuke needed to hear if kakashi told him I understand how I feel and if u wait we can all help u achieve ur goal but idk if you are getting the results u want it’s a different story then what kakashi actually said
Because Kakashi, despite best intentions, was speaking kinda horseshit on that dialogue. The only vengeance craving he could ever crave was on the rock ninja guy who destroyed the cave that crushed Obito. And he got it immediately. If anything it goes to show that maybe it's that vengeance that gave him the peace of mind he was able to achieve? Certainly a possibility at least. And his hypocrisy only goes deeper when he encourages seeking vengeance in Akatsuki Suppression, even though leaving village without permission in order to battle is also technically a crime and dragging along 2 other people to certain death is much worse. Reason? Difference in power. He just knows Konoha is too fucking weak for taking down Itachi so he tells him to let go, even though Sasuke "deserves" his revenge much more than Shikamaru. And if the system he lives in fails to do it's job that happens to be HIS ONLY REASON FOR LIVING, then why would he care one bit about it? Anybody would see it as worthless in his place.
If Sasuke lost to Gaara while embracing bonds, Sarutobi lost to Orochimaru and Kakashi lost to Itachi, then why would anyone expect Sasuke to NOT think that solitude is the path to true strength? And it certainly worked out for him.
@@Reality-Distortion i agree with most of this but how tf did sasuke deserve his revenge more then shikumaru and kakashi what 2 ppl he dragged to they death and tsunade approved the mission to go take out kakazu and hidan because they just attacked the village and was near by and she only let shikumaru go because kakashi offered to go sasuke mission with itachi wasn’t a problem it was never approved or did it benefit the leaf or sasuke so if anything sasuke didn’t deserve it more and u gotta at this kakashi was close to asuma so he was getting revenge for a friend he didn’t know sasuke family and like I said revenge didn’t benefit sasuke so he was right but not right instead of telling sasuke what u doing is wrong he should have said wait and we can go together
@@dancarli8639 1. That's the thing - Shikamaru intended to go with only his teammates, which would be a suicide. And they were allowed to go ONLY because Kakashi tagged along.
2. I agree that Kakashi should've supported Sasuke and not just tell him to forget about it. It's an abysmal advice to be honest.
3. Saying that Itachi wasn't a problem is a complete bullshit. He's the most dangerous criminal in the Konoha's history and already came to it once and is associated with organization that is a threat. Also every village is obligated to deal with their nukenins.
4. Sorry but asking why does Sasuke deserve his revenge more is such a stupid question... in what world are their circumstances even comparable? Shikamaru's master dying is a walk through a park next to arguably the most fucked backstory of the series.
I disagree with your premise that Naruto did not try to reach out to Sasuke during their fight in The Valley of The End.
To say that Naruto failed to reach Sasuke would be more accurate.
Sorry for the bothersome comments, but also not sure what exactly you are referring to with Orochimaru becoming stagnant. If he DID become stagnant then your point is significantly and substantially validated, as you provide plenty of complementary arguments, I'm just not sure how well your evidence stands up.
He sees the village as stagnant, so he changes it by destroying it - giving up the past for a new present.
He joined the Akatsuki, gave up on that. He even tried to "destroy" the Akatsuki by killing Sasori. When that didn't work out, rather than abandoning Kannabi bridge (stagnation) he instead stayed to fight FOR NO GOOD REASON (change). This even lead to further fostering of the next generation.
If anything, Jiraiya is the one who stagnated by not training the next gen. Look at how much Sakura improved during the time skip compared to her part 1 self, and especially how much Sasuke improved. Compared to these two, Naruto had an internal battle all of the first 3 arcs of Shippudden about how weak he was... Pathetic ;.;
Getting back on track, Orochimaru couldn't beat Itachi, so rather than having a "death grip on the past that he could not let go of" and continuing to pursue Itachi, he instead chose to give up on that specifically to foster the next generation with Sasuke. So much so, that Sasuke was fostered enough to SURPASS Orochimaru. You consider this as a contradiction to Orochimaru whereas I do not.
Orochimaru was always changing, as he was a scientist who wanted to know all jutsu. He constantly experimented on numerous things, always changing and adapting. Again - so much so that he literally changed his OWN body.
To me, Orochimaru is the embodiment of change rather than of stagnation.
I agree w/you lol.
yo pls make a vid on hope and hypocrisy on naruto pls i would definitely sub tbh i like the way you think make a in depth video pls i can be your editor bc i do edits for free
@@ndjpanther9210 Yoooo that's craaazy man! For real? I will definitely do a vid on this (and plenty more Naruto vids) in the future, but on a different channel than this one.
You can message me on Discord if you have it ood#3952
@@Sweetdude64 if you do do vids I'mma sub lol I saw your other comments you went in! *I like craftsdwarfs vids n I still dig his vid n points made but I also agreed w/you lots as well lol.
@@Crunchysopa52 Haha nice, i already have a ton of ideas and even a few scripts already written.
I've studied screenwriting seriously since I was 18 and I'm about to turn 23. I'm in my last year of college where I've taken screenwriting classes
By the way, is there any specific reason you left Gaara off this list? I feel like Gaara vs Sasuke ideology-wise was crucial to the Chunin Exams arc during the entirety of it.
It is THE first plot point developed in the arc. Directly after the land of waves, when they get back to the village, and Team 7 is introduced to Gaara and his team.
ALSO also, no Part 1 Itachi? Since we are talking about Sasuke and recognition, this was directly, expressly and obviously explored in their brief encounter in Part 1 D;
Funny how it took one really bad show, that being borito for people to finally realise that naruto really was great
I'm confused in your line of reasoning.
So, there are clear disparities between part 1 Sasuke and Shippudden Sasuke in terms of resolve.
Rather than treating these are 2 different characters, separated by a skippage of time, you seem to grasp at straws by claiming Sasuke took on Naruto's flaws. You claim that whereas Sasuke allowed Naruto to test his resolve, leading to Naruto utterly failing to compromise, this lead Sasuke to adapt this failing ideology? This makes no sense to me. Sasuke didn't "show no mercy" to enemies because he beat Naruto :P
If anything, I believe that beating Naruto would strengthen his ideals and further his resolve, rather than the opposite that you seem to be claiming. If not that, then AT LEAST acknowledging Naruto's ideals as a failure and moving on - leading to a stagnant character rather than literally regressing into a weaker conviction. What do you think?
Hopefully that came across as NOT unbearably rude... :P
4:30-5:13 especially is what I'm referring to!
Sasuke prefers to meet people with stagnation and despair. He tried to acknowledge Naruto, but Naruto didn’t acknowledge him just like nobody truly acknowledged sasuke his entire life. It was always about other peoples wants (what Itachi wanted for sasuke, what kakashi wanted for sasuke, what Sakura wanted for sasuke, what Naruto wanted for sasuke, what his father wanted for him) but never about what Sasuke wanted for sasuke. It was always about them and their needs, so it showed him that understanding your opponents or understanding others in this world is pointless, so that’s why he met people with the stagnation that everyone had met him with his entire life.
First
Talk no Jutsu was never good. Cope, seethe, dilate, etc.
Can you tell me why?
Talk no jutsu is good but there should be limits to it. the conclusion to the pain arc sucks cause the tnj doesn't work there Nagato had tried finding alternative everywhere but saw he had no other solutions to try and bring some peace, he even read jiraya book and saw no answer yet naruto changed his heart without finding any solution just reading the same book. Also it doesn't work where obito is fully redeemed same guy that caused naruto parents, countless other's to die and toiled beast to die. He had a choice and his choice of destruction doesn't work the way naruto present it.
You also have the 5 nations just one speech and now they all work together without any drama like the hyuga could have had some beef with Ao or Hinata and Neji with the cloud, everyone just worked well together right away. There is nothing wrong with tnj but it felt forced later onwards to the point they forgave orochimaru and kabuto
i recommend you to go watch Mathwiz video of Talk no Jutsu .
Ur opinion I disagree
Naruto more like narutard. Make another hunter x hunter video please.
I'm glad you did this video, tearing into the contradictions of each characters understanding of what makes a Shinobi, is what makes Kishimoto's writing so good for me.