The demon in the well is Despair. It lure people in with something that 'comfort' its victim, like how they lure in the farmer's family with promise of surviving the blight. It's trying to lure Spite using Rook's scent. Rook is comfort to Spite.
It's such a shame we don't get at least one quest about Spite. Would have loved a solid 10-30 minutes of Spite lore (or just silly "chaos goblin spirit" fun).
There's an interepretation of Spite that I really like: Spite (the emotion) isn't inherently negative. You can do negative, hurtful things out of spite, certainly. But you can also LIVE out of spite. You can keep going out of spite. Bite down on spite through pain and hurt and loss and grief and come out the other side. Spite isn't a malicious spirit, really. He's abrasive and loud, but not malicious outside of specific instances where he's actively provoked, either by Lucanis deliberately ignoring him or Illario kill-stealing. According to Emmrich, even spirits of the same emotion can express themselves in different ways, and subsequently embody different aspects of that emotion: curiosity can be an innocent urge to see what's over that next hill, or what happens if we light a match in a barn full of hay. Perhaps because of how Spite and Lucanis came together, Spite is more a spirit of the positive aspects of spite: the living, the growing, the pushing forward out of sheer spite towards those who would see you broken and beaten or dancing to their tune rather than your own. Hence why he makes a point of dragging Lucanis kicking and screaming through a mental health journey... out of SPITE.
I forget which of Lucanis' writers said this - I want to say it was Mary Kirby but I'm not 100% sure off the dome - but when they were asked if Spite would ever go back to Determination, they basically said "He can change again, and probably will with more time spent with Lucanis, but he'll always be the embodiment of 'no' in some way." Which I think sums up Spite quite well. "No" isn't inherently malevolent. Refusal to accept something isn't evil unless you're refusing to choose good. Denying someone something isn't cruel if that person would misuse what was given. You can say 'no' to evil just as easily as you can wield it for evil, which you can actually see from pre-Ossuary Lucanis. For all of his sterling reputation as an assassin, he's willingly screwed up contracts that would have otherwise forced him to kill innocents, and put many others (like the Wigmaker Job) at risk for the sake of getting innocents out and giving the especially cruel 'special treatment' in the form of particularly brutal and humiliating deaths. There's a reason Spite was drawn to Lucanis in the first place - Lucanis has *always* embodied it in some way himself. And in all honesty, Spite *never* shows any particular inclination towards outright evil, even when he lashes out at Lucanis - Lucanis just assumes that's what he's going for given his nature as a demon, along with his own trauma preventing him from seeing the cruel way he's (unknowingly) keeping Spite contained until Inner Demons. Even those sleep walking attempts that everyone assumes are him trying to take over and kill Lucanis were Spite not understanding space and trying to walk himself out of the false Ossuary, which stop entirely after Inner Demons when they're on the same page. For all that Spite harasses Lucanis, he had legitimate reason to do so while he was trapped in Lucanis' Ossuary. Lucanis was actively (but again, unintentionally) breaking the deal that they made, and Spite was still 'polite' enough to try and make Lucanis understand and sort it out between them. It just never went well because Spite (understandably) can't comprehend the complexities of human emotions and how to deal with them without Rook's help, and Lucanis (also understandably) doesn't realize he's doing anything wrong, and assumes that the demon wanting to talk feelings is probably a manipulation tactic and doesn't want to expose Rook to that. From the very start, Spite's desire to cause harm are pretty much always aimed at a justified target - Zara for what she did to them, Illario for denying them justice when they finally got to her, the Evanuris for the danger they pose, Solas for what he does to his and Lucanis' emotional support mortal Rook, and Lucanis himself for (from Spite's POV) going back on their deal while Spite continued to hold up his end of the bargain. And on the other side of things, he never makes any effort to legitimately threaten, let alone harm his allies in those moments when Lucanis does lose control, despite several direct confrontations with Taash during his escape attempts. Spite is still embodying 'no', but in terms of where and how he directs it, he's a lot closer to Pre-Ossuary Lucanis' morals than either of them seem to fully realize.
All male companions of this game are single dads. Choose your poison folks, don't be an evil stepparent to them. The Ligthouse is becoming a daycare at this point. 😂
And Lucanis is a struggling parent. In a better life, if Justice is safely introduced to the grey parts of his virtue, pretty sure Justice would be the parent to Anders.
TBF Lucanis can be pretty spiteful when the time calls for it - check out The Wigmakers Job from Tevinter Nights - so he's got no worries about corrupting Spite into something he isn't. Like 90% of his banter with Davrin will do the trick lmao To keep Justice from corrupting Anders not only had to embody it - he had to do it in F***ing KIRKWALL 💀 (And ofc our queen Wynne is just built different 😤)
Yeah, Lucanis can be petty af and it’s my favourite thing about him 😂 But he’s also not a mage and they came to an agreement in the Ossuary, so I wonder if that makes any difference 😅
I love that Spite speaks in sentence fragments rather than actual full sentences, it adds a certain pizzazz to his already off the charts gremlin energy
I love how Lucanis insists he is a demon but every single person who knows anything about spirits including the Drad Wolf is like "nah thats a determination spirit" which implies that Lucanis somehow made him go back from demom to spirit sort of and i love that.
I really do wonder when exactly the Determination -> Spite transformation happened. Like Lucanis has only known him as Spite, so it wasn't an Anders/Justice situation where Lucanis himself had a role in it. But was he in the Fade as Spite when Zara forced him into the Ossuary, or was he still Determination who was corrupted into Spite and then 'fed' to Lucanis? Because in the case of the latter, where the Ossuary is directly tied into him becoming Spite, Rook helping him leave Lucanis' mental Ossuary could have started the change back.
As far as I can tell the only spirit who doesn't is Compassion in the Hall of Valor, and I honestly figured it was because even if Spite is becoming more like his 'old self' in how he acts and thinks, he still seems to see *himself* as Spite, even correcting Solas when he calls him Determination. Even if he's evolving beyond what he was before being put into Lucanis, Spite is content to be Spite which Compassion would pick up on and go along with. Like how Cole knows with Krem in Inquisition.
I can’t believe the devs said Spite wouldn’t bother Rook and Lucanis if they’re in a relationship. He’s SPITE. Also he adores Rook so he definitely wants in lol. Give us a poly relationship with Lucanis and Spite you cowards 😠
@@kirikakirikakirika spirits don’t have stages of development. They just are. Also, Spite’s wings come out when Lucanis and Rook start kissing in that romance scene. This implies that Spite is quite present in that moment, which I don’t think they would have done if he was considered a child in any way
My Rook (Magnus de Riva) becoming Lucanis' husband, Spite stepdad and a cool adoptive uncle to Assan and Manfred is my personnal canon. After defeating the gods, I took the boys for a wyvern safari in Orlais countryside. Also canon.
In Hossberg Wetlands you get a quest to find a missing family in the farmlands, you'll find a well there. After finishing that quest go to the Crossroads. In the snowy part you'll find another well next to the huge blighted tree. Jump inside to full end the farmland quest :)
@@snappy6132 I got it my second time! I didn’t at first for some reason but I realized it’s bc I picked Davrin then Lucanis for my party. I find the order in which you select people also matters for some dialogue (or at least for me lol). Thank you for this info!
I'm not quite sure I understand the pattern where the player is able to hear Spite's "real" voice versus when he talks through Lucanis. Sometimes it happens & sometimes it doesn't
I've noticed that Lucanis doesn't move his mouth when we hear Spite's real voice, so we're likely just getting a peak into what Lucanis hears but no one else does. Similar to the early scene in front of the fireplace where Spite throws his tantrum because he wants to talk to Rook.
Spite's real voice was audible through Lucanis because he was manifesting his voice through Rowan's magic as a spirit mage/seer rather than him forcibly taking control of Lucanis's vocal chords, which is when the hybrid voice kicks in
Spirits have always kind of varied in sophistication. Depending on how long they've been around and what they're spirits of. A few spirits you talk to in the necropolis are very intelligent. Like Vorgoth.
Read this excerpt on acquiring Solas' personal quest: All New Faded For Her: Inquisitor: I thought spirits wanted to find their way into this world. Solas: Some do, certainly, just as many Orlesian peasants wish they could journey to exotic Rivain. But not everyone wants to go to Rivain. My friend is an explorer, seeking lost wisdom and reflecting it. It would happily discuss philosophy with you, but it had no wish to come here physically. Not all spirits are the same. Do you associate Justice with immaturity? What comes to your mind when you hear about justice as a concept? Of course with great seriousness since we're dealing with laws, about what is fair and what is not. Of course Justice has to be stern while correcting wrongs (whether by primitive justice or restorative justice). Spite, meanwhile, is an emotion. Anger to be specific. Many people want to do things out of petty spite, just to inflict harm to someone consequences be damned. Of course Spite will look and act immature while protecting Lucanis' well-being (since anger's main purpose is to protect oneself from harm). And Maker help you if you're responsible for his and Lucanis' current predicament. And being on a healthy environment help Spite exercise his nature without losing himself and Lucanis, which Anders and Justice didn't have.
@@BouncingTribbles You can mix and match companions however you want for most main story and side quests. The only times you have to take a specific companion with you is when doing their companion quests or the odd main story quest. I like Taash and their abilities worked really well with my build so I used them a lot.
"Give me. Fire!" Spite is just a toddler.
Totally!
The demon in the well is Despair. It lure people in with something that 'comfort' its victim, like how they lure in the farmer's family with promise of surviving the blight. It's trying to lure Spite using Rook's scent. Rook is comfort to Spite.
Oh no wait that's cute-
@@meltheteagobboI was just wondering why he smelt took now that makes sense. That's so adorable
It's cute???????
I'm happy and sad now!
I missed this!
It's such a shame we don't get at least one quest about Spite. Would have loved a solid 10-30 minutes of Spite lore (or just silly "chaos goblin spirit" fun).
Right. The closest we get is Lucanis' mind prison
"NOT. FAIR! You just. Said!" The way I could picture Spite stomping his foot at that line xD
"May your enemies die bitter and in pain" YEESSS! GOOOD!
There's an interepretation of Spite that I really like: Spite (the emotion) isn't inherently negative. You can do negative, hurtful things out of spite, certainly. But you can also LIVE out of spite. You can keep going out of spite. Bite down on spite through pain and hurt and loss and grief and come out the other side.
Spite isn't a malicious spirit, really. He's abrasive and loud, but not malicious outside of specific instances where he's actively provoked, either by Lucanis deliberately ignoring him or Illario kill-stealing.
According to Emmrich, even spirits of the same emotion can express themselves in different ways, and subsequently embody different aspects of that emotion: curiosity can be an innocent urge to see what's over that next hill, or what happens if we light a match in a barn full of hay.
Perhaps because of how Spite and Lucanis came together, Spite is more a spirit of the positive aspects of spite: the living, the growing, the pushing forward out of sheer spite towards those who would see you broken and beaten or dancing to their tune rather than your own. Hence why he makes a point of dragging Lucanis kicking and screaming through a mental health journey... out of SPITE.
I forget which of Lucanis' writers said this - I want to say it was Mary Kirby but I'm not 100% sure off the dome - but when they were asked if Spite would ever go back to Determination, they basically said "He can change again, and probably will with more time spent with Lucanis, but he'll always be the embodiment of 'no' in some way." Which I think sums up Spite quite well.
"No" isn't inherently malevolent. Refusal to accept something isn't evil unless you're refusing to choose good. Denying someone something isn't cruel if that person would misuse what was given. You can say 'no' to evil just as easily as you can wield it for evil, which you can actually see from pre-Ossuary Lucanis. For all of his sterling reputation as an assassin, he's willingly screwed up contracts that would have otherwise forced him to kill innocents, and put many others (like the Wigmaker Job) at risk for the sake of getting innocents out and giving the especially cruel 'special treatment' in the form of particularly brutal and humiliating deaths. There's a reason Spite was drawn to Lucanis in the first place - Lucanis has *always* embodied it in some way himself.
And in all honesty, Spite *never* shows any particular inclination towards outright evil, even when he lashes out at Lucanis - Lucanis just assumes that's what he's going for given his nature as a demon, along with his own trauma preventing him from seeing the cruel way he's (unknowingly) keeping Spite contained until Inner Demons. Even those sleep walking attempts that everyone assumes are him trying to take over and kill Lucanis were Spite not understanding space and trying to walk himself out of the false Ossuary, which stop entirely after Inner Demons when they're on the same page.
For all that Spite harasses Lucanis, he had legitimate reason to do so while he was trapped in Lucanis' Ossuary. Lucanis was actively (but again, unintentionally) breaking the deal that they made, and Spite was still 'polite' enough to try and make Lucanis understand and sort it out between them. It just never went well because Spite (understandably) can't comprehend the complexities of human emotions and how to deal with them without Rook's help, and Lucanis (also understandably) doesn't realize he's doing anything wrong, and assumes that the demon wanting to talk feelings is probably a manipulation tactic and doesn't want to expose Rook to that.
From the very start, Spite's desire to cause harm are pretty much always aimed at a justified target - Zara for what she did to them, Illario for denying them justice when they finally got to her, the Evanuris for the danger they pose, Solas for what he does to his and Lucanis' emotional support mortal Rook, and Lucanis himself for (from Spite's POV) going back on their deal while Spite continued to hold up his end of the bargain. And on the other side of things, he never makes any effort to legitimately threaten, let alone harm his allies in those moments when Lucanis does lose control, despite several direct confrontations with Taash during his escape attempts. Spite is still embodying 'no', but in terms of where and how he directs it, he's a lot closer to Pre-Ossuary Lucanis' morals than either of them seem to fully realize.
the german translation is "Bosheit" so more like malice or something so I was always thinking he's just evil until I switched to english lol
I'm sure "We have enough feet already" is a sentence Lucanis never imagined uttering, even in his wildest dreams.
There's a lot of things he probably never thought he'd say 😂 I call it a warm up for kids
Yeah I have that particular list in my life. The "sentences I never thought would come out of my mouth" list.
There's another one where spite wants to swing on the astrolabe.
Also him asking why the fade doesn’t just blow them all away
Not me thinking of Spite singing Chandelier 😂
“Curiosity. Has. FEET!!!”
"It has. Hands!" Manfred might not teach Spite manners, but he's sure doing a wonderful job of teaching human anatomy
There is bird-son, skelly-son, and now demon-son. Spite is so fun.😂
So many sons to adopt.
All male companions of this game are single dads. Choose your poison folks, don't be an evil stepparent to them.
The Ligthouse is becoming a daycare at this point. 😂
Anders and Justice blew up the Chantry. Spite wants to eat candles 😂
And Lucanis is a struggling parent.
In a better life, if Justice is safely introduced to the grey parts of his virtue, pretty sure Justice would be the parent to Anders.
@@gzapray7203 Can see the dynamic similar to Furina and Neuvillette of Genshin Impact.
TBF Lucanis can be pretty spiteful when the time calls for it - check out The Wigmakers Job from Tevinter Nights - so he's got no worries about corrupting Spite into something he isn't. Like 90% of his banter with Davrin will do the trick lmao
To keep Justice from corrupting Anders not only had to embody it - he had to do it in F***ing KIRKWALL 💀
(And ofc our queen Wynne is just built different 😤)
Yeah, Lucanis can be petty af and it’s my favourite thing about him 😂 But he’s also not a mage and they came to an agreement in the Ossuary, so I wonder if that makes any difference 😅
I love that Spite speaks in sentence fragments rather than actual full sentences, it adds a certain pizzazz to his already off the charts gremlin energy
When Spite want fire, it made me think of that meme of a little boy running with a firework saying "SOMEBODY GAVE ME FIRE !"
Loving the Emmrich and Spite banter😂
Literally my favorite two lol
I love how Lucanis insists he is a demon but every single person who knows anything about spirits including the Drad Wolf is like "nah thats a determination spirit" which implies that Lucanis somehow made him go back from demom to spirit sort of and i love that.
I really do wonder when exactly the Determination -> Spite transformation happened. Like Lucanis has only known him as Spite, so it wasn't an Anders/Justice situation where Lucanis himself had a role in it. But was he in the Fade as Spite when Zara forced him into the Ossuary, or was he still Determination who was corrupted into Spite and then 'fed' to Lucanis?
Because in the case of the latter, where the Ossuary is directly tied into him becoming Spite, Rook helping him leave Lucanis' mental Ossuary could have started the change back.
When did Solas say Spite was actually Determination?
@kirikakirikakirika end game if you bring Lucanis he addresses him as "a spirit of determination"
@@IHeartGameplay
Thanks!
As far as I can tell the only spirit who doesn't is Compassion in the Hall of Valor, and I honestly figured it was because even if Spite is becoming more like his 'old self' in how he acts and thinks, he still seems to see *himself* as Spite, even correcting Solas when he calls him Determination. Even if he's evolving beyond what he was before being put into Lucanis, Spite is content to be Spite which Compassion would pick up on and go along with. Like how Cole knows with Krem in Inquisition.
Oh there’s also one where spite asks emmrich if they need skin
Base spite without Lucanis’s voice sounds like a classic Elder Scrolls Daedra and I’m here for it
I literally did a double take during the inner demons (I think) quest like “THATS JUST A DAEDRA” 🤣
I can’t believe the devs said Spite wouldn’t bother Rook and Lucanis if they’re in a relationship. He’s SPITE. Also he adores Rook so he definitely wants in lol. Give us a poly relationship with Lucanis and Spite you cowards 😠
I just imagine him staring just too closely like pet cats tend to do in those situations, with Lucanis the only one seeing it. Makes me laugh.
@@FluffyTailedPrince Spite would give running commentary. Once he figured out what they were doing anyway. 🤣
I'm glad everyone has collectively gone "that's a shitty headcanon, devs." and continues writing Spite getting as much love as Lucanis.
I do think it would've been a bite weird, because Spite is like a child.
@@kirikakirikakirika spirits don’t have stages of development. They just are. Also, Spite’s wings come out when Lucanis and Rook start kissing in that romance scene. This implies that Spite is quite present in that moment, which I don’t think they would have done if he was considered a child in any way
My Rook (Magnus de Riva) becoming Lucanis' husband, Spite stepdad and a cool adoptive uncle to Assan and Manfred is my personnal canon. After defeating the gods, I took the boys for a wyvern safari in Orlais countryside. Also canon.
The thumbnail is incredible 😭💀
WHAT ARE THOOOOOOOSEEEEE????
2:21 Taash parenting Spite 😂
i actually LOVE Taash and Spite and Lucanis banter lol! it makes me giggle so much. Same with Emm and Spite and Lucanis
@bookmarkyourthoughtsblog OMG same!
Taash has the markings of a parent. That parent's signature hypocrisy is there too!
Not spite asking if he can eat the candles XD
"Curiosity. Has. Feet!" bruh Spite is 1 of the best things in this game 🤣
Fanfact: spite voice actor is Iorveth from the Witcher 2
Someone on Threads says that Taash talks to Spite like a dog. It’s true and I love it.
They're just on hand with a spray bottle like 'No! Stop that!'
There’s a continuation to the fire one. Emmrich being all kind and understanding about spite wanting to learn xd
gotta agree with spite in that last one. not fair, taash!
1:03 LMAOOOO that cracks me up
DETERMINATION?!?
DeSPITE everything, Lucanis is still him
The Taash one is just... chef's kiss 🤣
lol Spite is so entertaining,😂 I love his parts
Spite gets funnier the more and more I play this game
see, NOW I have to play again! i missed about half of these! like, where's that well in here where Spite says "Smells like Rook!"?!
In Hossberg Wetlands you get a quest to find a missing family in the farmlands, you'll find a well there. After finishing that quest go to the Crossroads. In the snowy part you'll find another well next to the huge blighted tree. Jump inside to full end the farmland quest :)
@@snappy6132 omg, i had no idea!!! now i gotta do that
That part surprised me too, especially the part where it started speaking again
@@snappy6132 I got it my second time! I didn’t at first for some reason but I realized it’s bc I picked Davrin then Lucanis for my party. I find the order in which you select people also matters for some dialogue (or at least for me lol). Thank you for this info!
@@contra1124 the echo was so cool. I wish there was more of it in the game bc it was just creepy lol!
Spite is my favorite character
The thumbnail is perfect 😂
that "keep walking" sounded a little more Iorveth than Spite XD
I'm not quite sure I understand the pattern where the player is able to hear Spite's "real" voice versus when he talks through Lucanis. Sometimes it happens & sometimes it doesn't
I've noticed that Lucanis doesn't move his mouth when we hear Spite's real voice, so we're likely just getting a peak into what Lucanis hears but no one else does. Similar to the early scene in front of the fireplace where Spite throws his tantrum because he wants to talk to Rook.
Spite's real voice was audible through Lucanis because he was manifesting his voice through Rowan's magic as a spirit mage/seer rather than him forcibly taking control of Lucanis's vocal chords, which is when the hybrid voice kicks in
I love that guy
well mission is creepy
Someone PLEASE tell me where the well is?! Ive been trying to find it forever
Is this Iorveth’s VA? Spite specifically?
Spite is one of the good parts of this game.
Idk why they made spirits like toddlers. Imagine if Justice was like this?
Spirits have always kind of varied in sophistication. Depending on how long they've been around and what they're spirits of. A few spirits you talk to in the necropolis are very intelligent. Like Vorgoth.
Read this excerpt on acquiring Solas' personal quest: All New Faded For Her:
Inquisitor: I thought spirits wanted to find their way into this world.
Solas: Some do, certainly, just as many Orlesian peasants wish they could journey to exotic Rivain. But not everyone wants to go to Rivain. My friend is an explorer, seeking lost wisdom and reflecting it. It would happily discuss philosophy with you, but it had no wish to come here physically.
Not all spirits are the same. Do you associate Justice with immaturity? What comes to your mind when you hear about justice as a concept? Of course with great seriousness since we're dealing with laws, about what is fair and what is not. Of course Justice has to be stern while correcting wrongs (whether by primitive justice or restorative justice).
Spite, meanwhile, is an emotion. Anger to be specific. Many people want to do things out of petty spite, just to inflict harm to someone consequences be damned. Of course Spite will look and act immature while protecting Lucanis' well-being (since anger's main purpose is to protect oneself from harm). And Maker help you if you're responsible for his and Lucanis' current predicament. And being on a healthy environment help Spite exercise his nature without losing himself and Lucanis, which Anders and Justice didn't have.
@@gzapray7203 amazing explanation! Solas and Emmrich would be proud
So can you just leave Taash behind? Or are your companions assigned based on the scene?
@@BouncingTribbles You can mix and match companions however you want for most main story and side quests. The only times you have to take a specific companion with you is when doing their companion quests or the odd main story quest. I like Taash and their abilities worked really well with my build so I used them a lot.
@@rheely00 I would take Tash with me everywhere. They're such a heavy hitter
So that's where all the good writing went! 😂