I’m so glad somebody finally has said this! I’ve wanted a few common plants and just couldn’t afford the high prices and it shouldn’t be that way. You give me hope that attitudes will eventually change in the plant community. Thanks for this!
Absolute truth!!! I feel like it creates a financial barrier for certain people who love exotic plants, but can’t keep up with the rising prices. 🤷🏽♀️
I am 55 years old. My love for indoor tropical plants started when I was around 6 or 7 years old. I've had so many so called hard to find plants over the years, and the prices for a four inch pot was as low as $2.45. Back in 1977 my grandfather bought me a Monstera Andonii, he paid pennies for it. The 1970"s and early 1980's was also a strong plant market. I would love to have another Monstera Adonaii, but I am not willing to pay $8.00 for a single nod that is not rooted out. Prices are ridiculous! Currently I have around 70 plants In my collection. Most are commonly found and simple to propagate. I normally give my cuttings away and they are established rooted and potted. I even make the macrame hangers if my friend wants one. Spider plants are one of the fastest growing and simple plants to grow and give starts away. To pay $15.00 for an eight inch pot is crazy. Saw a bonnie spider at Walnart in ten inch hanging starter pot for $25.00 it stayed and at Walmart for some one else to over pay.
I’m glad u spoke about this. Monstera albos are a huge example. I want one so bad but the prices are absolutely outrageous for even a node. I can’t find anything cheaper than $300 for just a node and it’s sad
same, I have a lot of plants ive wanted for a few years now but its hard to justify that kind of price for a node of god knows what quality. Im hoping in the next few years they come down in price as people leave the hobby
I agree with you 100%. Its pure greed. And it's disgusting how much some people are charging for tiny fruit trees. Literally small branch cuttings stuck in peat moss with maybe 3 skinny little roots. Its pretty sad.
I keep waiting for the pink Princess prices to go down, I won’t buy one until they do. It could take awhile for that one to be prolific enough to drop prices but I’m patiently waiting. I figure eventually the big grower in Florida, costa farm, will cycle through anything popular enough. I’ve seen a fair few of the harder to find plants make their way this summer to Walmart and Lowe’s, so I expect to see more in the future. I noticed that the big box stores seem to follow social media trends and pay attention to what people are after.
If Coasta Farms can mass produce the slow growing Trubii Moonlight then they will be mass producing the much faster growing PPP FOR SURE. I heard the PPP and Thai Constellations will be hitting the market on a mass scale soon.
@@GEOMETRICINK I know the Thai will. Costa Farms is waiting till they have enough to flood the market, and thereby avoid people trying to sell them for a higher mark up. Does that make sense? Watched an interview with two of the big wigs in Costa
Thanks you, Its like the Thai constellation in Australia. They once sold for $150 for a small rooted plant 2 year ago, But now people sell rotting out single nodes and wet sticks for $800 but people buy them, wee push the prices up, artificaly. There are warehouses full of plants and its all released at a controlled pace by the company's the own and grow them. If people just chill out, watch, wait, and sell our smaller cuttings for reasonable prices. we will saturate the market. The big companies will have to release more at once to get the $$$ they want or close to. We have the power to make the change in price. When enough of us see this, you will see the price come down.
Like The turtle craze here in New Zealand Was $50 a node last year, then one shop released some for $40 for a full pot ! And I paid $50 for a vcoh node last year and this year paid $135 for a full pot
There is plant shops that sell 4 inch plants for $20. It's crazy bc I bought most of those exact same size and planr for 3.50 at my local supermarket 😂 I was going to get a monthly plant subscription but realized I had all the ones they had in a regular box that was not 80 a month for one single med sized plant. I passed on that. I could get that plant for under 20 at the same local supermarket. It blows my mind how the price online is unrealistic.
How true plants are being sold at stupid prices here in australia (not by all) bidding is where things can get out a hand, I am a hobby grower and would love to expand my collection but the high prices are just a put off. Lets make plant prices reasonable for all to enjoy.
I will definitely wait, I am fairly new to the houseplant world I have always focused on outdoors . I started with 7 angel trumpets and propagated at least 100 this winter, I planted around 50 and gave the other 50 away to friends and folks who drive by and admire my yard so they stop to talk and I end up gifting them a plant lol...I have a nursery wanting to buy from me next spring but as of now I am ok with just sharing my love for the plant. I cannot see myself paying $100 for no plant much less 2 leaves of a plant. I have learned alot from the plant community and I have started propagating my tradiscantia, spider plants and pothos I tried growing monstera deliciosa but with no success they rotted on me so may try again when I learn more . I am in no rush so gonna hang in there a bit longer to see how the plant prices go.
i was plnning on mking an etsy store with a bunch of tissue culture plants grown from rare plants and after seeing that facebook post I have decided to single-handedly lower the price to 20 dollars for a pot full of obliqa to piss them off. i will be back with the link to the store once i get the plants and tissue culture setup. edit: I noticed you said you'd create a website, I think you should include a page that links to many people's stores so that we can have a hub to access each other's stock and create a unified web of home growers!
Nothing beats the $27,500 V.minima that just sold here in New Zealand! Insane I’ve joined a plant swapsie group. Swap cuttings/plants so I can give and get things we don’t have or want …best way to do it
Nicely done video! Thank you! Since in Austria plant-Instagram grows as in every other western country, prices for "standard" grandma houseplants got crazy. As you said, supply and demand are getting out of hands.
FANTASTIC Video! You are 100% Correct!! There are Great people in the Community just Like YOU and it makes it so enjoyable. All for pulling in some income but sometimes "greed" just spoils it for everyone. Great point on focusing on one plant. Thanks for being a Genuine plant lover who wants Everone to enjoy it too.
The best video ever!... people must be/become aware of this situation...Plants are just plants. It is nice to have them but is so illogic to trade them like gold. Enjoy it, take care of them, and propagate, propagate and propagate it again. Thanks for your smart message!
I love the people who get a plant for a deal, propagate it then sell it for more than the original plant they bought. Another gem is people who buy a pot from walmart for 16 dollars, cut it up and try and earn 50+ dollars
Glad that you touched on this topic. It can definitely be discouraging as a collector to see those crazy price tags on something you would love to have. It often makes me feel like I can never have a collection that I am happy/satisfied with but I hope that it can change to be more price inclusive one day.
A lovely woman I do trades with has an online shop where she buys “rare” plants cuts them up and sells the cuttings for super cheap for people who don’t have the money to pay high prices for these “rare” plants and she gets so much abuse from “rare” plants sellers and traders to the point they’ve made Facebook groups just to trash talk about her and accuse her of devaluing these plants by doing a good thing and making them available to people who who want to expand their collection without paying gouged prices and I commend her
The plant community turned from people who just loved plants and nurseries that mainly were family operations, into an acquisitions race, like getting the new iPhone or Gucci sunglasses or some other popular thing. The nurseries are still in business but new sellers started showing up like the toilet paper resellers buying up Costco's stock and selling toilet paper at ridiculous, price-gouging levels at the start of the pandemic.
I love your videos! This couldn't be more accurate. Haven't seen posts like the one you shared from the monstera group thankfully but I am getting burned out from seeing the same few plants for 100s of dollars. Your chonk video was so accurate too. I love trading and growing my collection that way. Just traded some manjula I had propagated for brandtianum. And a burle marx for syngonium varieties last week. Its so much more fun because you're not out any money and now I have a plant connected to a person. Hopefully with life slowly returning to normal plant swaps will be a thing again. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the cool content. I love all your propagation comparison videos.
That message was nuts! Im glad they redacted it tho. Plants are one of the few beautiful things that we can literally make a copy of and share so I hate seeing greed creap in
i know im late to the table,but i just found you.i agree,the prices are crazy,and i hate to admit but i have paid them high prices and it made me sick lol.how do i find your groups that your in?i would love to be a part of a community that thinks like me.
You’re nice and you have quite a set up. I think for the average individual would be more reluctant to buy an expensive plant imported and sell their propagation for less than what they paid for the plant. For melanochrysum it’s relatively more affordable among the ‘rare’ plants but for some ultra rare plants importing is already a few hundred dollars. So what you’re doing is a noble effort! I don’t think most people would like to cover their apartment in plant babies just to break even and sell for $25 and taking care of many plants. They may not mind reselling an extra prop for slightly more than what they paid for since acclimating to household humidity takes more time than a plant shop with optimal conditions. I just got into plants last year and I know where by budget limits are. There are so many plants that are affordable so I feel like there is a plant for everyone at their price point. Part of the coveted and appeal for rare plants is the exclusive or hard to get a hold of. Mass plants to some just don’t hold the same demand. I’m also not in flavour of how that obliqua group is fixing price by pausing sales. They should just let the free market decide how much the price should be.
I have met a lot of great people that allowed me to trade plants, some even the more high demand one. Where I live there has been FB GROUPS that does group import orders, basically the importers will tell the members how many plants are available by a supplier and then they will arrange everything - all we have to do is pick up and acclimate the plants. I have gotten some "rare" plants pretty low like $5-$30 CAD which also includes split shipping
Hi 👋I'm new to this hobby, after my beloved mother died I started realising why she loved plants so much! On her death bed she kept on asking about her plants & fruit trees whether they've started giving fruit? Are they being watered regularly? Etc etc I hope she's resting in a heavenly garden 🏝 Plz consider me as an amateur & help me carry on my mother's hobby.
haven’t seen one of your videos in quite a while (i’m sorry!) but even tho this is an opinion piece, man i really love this one. and i’m not even in the exotic plant community! just so interesting to hear about these issues. maybe it’s the econ major in me, idk. keep keepin it real! :)
I have grown tropical indoor plants for many years and was shocked when I discovered certain youtubers selling tiny cuttings for hundreds of dollars. Such a rip off. I hope people stop buying these
This video!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽and I can't wait to buy from your shop. I give alot of my plants/cuttings away just to give some joy to other people. Tired of the overpriced plant market 😒
Yeh it sucks. I definitely see single node cuttings of a monstera deliciosa variegata for at least 50 bucks. And bidding most of the times gets it way up. It sucks
P-R-E-A-C-H!!!!! Pre-Pandemic years plants makes you happy because you LOVE plants! Now, Plants makes them happy because they're BOUJEE!!!! Plants nowadays are status not a hobby. The more expensive your plant, the better. You're right on plants should be propagated and should priced reasonably. Some sellers in my country 🇵🇭 got mad at me because I sell a very reasonable price on my Philodendron Florida Beauty. To Each Their Own, right? 🤣
Amen brother! I'm seeing plants that used to be regularly available or 5 to 10 $being sold for hundreds , notably syngonium albo variegata. The last one I had I got at Home Depot 10 years ago for five bucks. I've been collecting plants for over 30 years and I have never seen things get as ridiculous as they have over the past two! If it's not new or botanically rare, people are being taken advantage of. They're just paying too much for their Instagram hits and TH-cam unboxings! I highly recommend a video by Nick Alexander called Monster Mania that very much covers the same topic! Exercise some patience people! Plants propagate, Trends come and go
It would be really great, if you can start an online community page do that we can all follow you. Btw, I'm from India. At least for the sake of knowledge sharing, it will be helpful.
Plant prices are exactly why I don't buy from several channels I love to watch on youtube. They charge far more than what I think a easy to propagate plant is worth.. and the only difference between the channel sellers and the etsy shops I usually buy from... plant size? Ok so I get to watch a smaller plant grow and flourish in my care instead of having a larger plant that may die off a bit due to conditions being varied from where it was being kept. I dunno just my thought. I'd rather get the smaller plant as just a hobby keeper with no real intention of selling plants (I do trade and give things away all the time.. my cane angel wing begonia is my pride and joy and I have given away a slew of rooted cuttings after I trimmed it back from a 4ft tall plant to a 1ft again) Heck.. once I move maybe I can get some of the higher prices begonias and start working on what you just suggested. Just mass propagating them. They are lovely plants but with how easy they are to take cuttings from and how fast they grow (nearly year round if you keep them at proper temps) I don't understand the price of them at all..
So tired of these people who buy up all the plants at the store like cebu blue pothos for example and and divide them into nodes to sell at the same price. New people without lots of spending money can’t get into the hobby because of these people.
I have a bin $15, sphagnum $10, 1 light $25 with a years worth of electricity. So 50 bucks to raise 60 nodes of melanochrysum. If I sold 2 at 30 each I would have covered cost. Sell the next 58 nodes for 30 dollars each = 1740 dollars. Now If I was greedy I could sell for 75$ each and earn 4350. In relation to total sales the cost to raise is nothing
Controlling supply is nothing new. Will you attack every industry? Diamonds for example of a very common mineral, but artificially they are withheld from the market to increase value. This will only stop when people refuse to pay the prices, not the sellers fault that some people pay silly money
Bro pls, times have changed like it or lump it. Don't hate on sellers for wanting the best price possible. Some ppl like me are using plants to supplement what COVID took from our pay packets. I think to assume greed is the motivator is narrow minded, some of us aren't in this as 'hobby collectors'. Some of us are just trying to break bread. A plant is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Simple. And if you want to sell at 2 years ago price, good on you; pls ship some to Australia so I can charge a fair market rate for them. No greed - mouths to feed. I tire of hearing long term collectors complain about prices at the moment. It is what it is. There's an opinion piece for you bro.
Funny you are saying 'it is what it is' , when it, in fact, is what greedy people want it to be. Yes, you've expressed how you aren't considering this as greedy, but it really is shamefully greedy, you're just trying to not paint yourself as the villain.
@@rianmilit you can paint me as whatever you like. Ive been called far worse than greedy. The days of paying $50 for an albo monstera are gone. As a famous group once sang 'Don't dream it's over' I get sick of hearing ppl complain about the price of cuttings these days. Market forces will drive the price how they will. As thousands of fresh enthusiasts enter the market with money to spend, it is natural for prices to rise. Its like the old guy talking about how a coke and chips 'use' to cost x amount and a gallon of gas 'y' amount. It's pointless because this is 2021... You can fight it, you can adapt, or you can just sit it out and wait for the market to correct itself. Up to you what you do.
@@itsrewiquintal I mean, your comparison makes zero sense, production costs for food and other goods go up, naturally, so costs go up. You're not building the plants you sell, and fertilizer, soil etc. are not high costing resources. Obviously sellers can do what they want, and there will always be people willing to pay high prices, but be truthful with yourself and don't try to make yourself into a saviour, providing the masses with deliverance. You're just profiting off gullible ppl that don't know better.
@@rianmilit hahaha, wow assumption king in the house. Let me say without further comment, i have been 100% honest with myself and you with all I have said thus far and will continue to do so. I researched this venture for a solid 6 months before I started. I have only been buying plants for 4 months, so I have paid those big prices. I keep a detailed spreadsheet of all I spend - every single cent. At present, i am out of pocket $1032 AUD I am about to spend another $1000 AUD on a half moon var adansonii. As soon as I purchase that plant i will prepare it to work. I factored in a price drop of up to 60% on what I have paid once prices begin to settle. Thats why it is vital that I sell while the market is high. To recoup my outlay. I purchased an Albo Borg for $700 aud 4 months ago - 2 leaves one node. I sold it privately to an experienced collector for $1,000 aud. But I sold it with 5 leaves (6th on the way) and 4 established nodes. That person divided it instantly and recouped most of his costs. This is the only plant I have sold thus far. The beauty of a plant is secondary to me, i am in it to supplement my income. If I can make $50-$100/week in selling cuttings into the future i will be estatic. I am no painter - i am definitely no saviour of anything apart from my family. My mentallity and approach to plants is very different to yours but as I said the game has changed. Like it or lump it, thats inoor plants in 2021.
In truth, he’s doing exactly what the free market was designed to do. Prices have reached a point where the much of the customer base believes it’s unreasonable. Power lies with the consumer every time. Many understand how we got here and why sellers continue as they are. It’s not like we expect to pay less than wholesale. But if you get irritated by the idea of flooding the market with plants so prices drop (including your supplier’s), then what really is it you’re trying to justify? You want to be able to pay rent with sale of four or five plants? Say whatever you need to to sooth your conscience. Sure, everyone’s got to put food on the table. But lest we forget, ethics are a tenant of capitalism. Prices will come down eventually, regardless of anyone’s call to action. So plan accordingly, bro. Ps. It’s not our obligation to keep you in business. Starting a plant business after ONLY 6 months in this market isn’t my idea of a fiscally intelligent plan. But hey, I hope it pans.
I’m so glad somebody finally has said this! I’ve wanted a few common plants and just couldn’t afford the high prices and it shouldn’t be that way. You give me hope that attitudes will eventually change in the plant community. Thanks for this!
Together we can by propagating and sharing or selling at a reasonable price
Absolute truth!!! I feel like it creates a financial barrier for certain people who love exotic plants, but can’t keep up with the rising prices. 🤷🏽♀️
That's what I hate. And its 100% artificial.
Exactly why I am happy to give away my cuttings, along with soil and pots!
I am 55 years old. My love for indoor tropical plants started when I was around 6 or 7 years old.
I've had so many so called hard to find plants over the years, and the prices for a four inch pot was as low as $2.45. Back in 1977 my grandfather bought me a Monstera Andonii, he paid pennies for it. The 1970"s and early 1980's was also a strong plant market.
I would love to have another Monstera Adonaii, but I am not willing to pay $8.00 for a single nod that is not rooted out. Prices are ridiculous!
Currently I have around 70 plants In my collection. Most are commonly found and simple to propagate. I normally give my cuttings away and they are established rooted and potted. I even make the macrame hangers if my friend wants one.
Spider plants are one of the fastest growing and simple plants to grow and give starts away. To pay $15.00 for an eight inch pot is crazy. Saw a bonnie spider at Walnart in ten inch hanging starter pot for $25.00 it stayed and at Walmart for some one else to over pay.
I’m glad u spoke about this. Monstera albos are a huge example. I want one so bad but the prices are absolutely outrageous for even a node. I can’t find anything cheaper than $300 for just a node and it’s sad
same, I have a lot of plants ive wanted for a few years now but its hard to justify that kind of price for a node of god knows what quality. Im hoping in the next few years they come down in price as people leave the hobby
That's amazing! It's rare to see this attitude, so refreshing. Keep up a good work
Thanks!
When you said ‘Crash the market.’ I pictured “Hack the planet.” ✊🏽
You’re absolutely correct throughout this. 👌🏽
Hack your plants into nodes and propagate lol
I agree with you 100%. Its pure greed. And it's disgusting how much some people are charging for tiny fruit trees. Literally small branch cuttings stuck in peat moss with maybe 3 skinny little roots. Its pretty sad.
Makes me crazy
I just saw this video and I agree 110% with you man.
People do your research there will always be a cheaper sellers out there.
yup for sure!
I keep waiting for the pink Princess prices to go down, I won’t buy one until they do. It could take awhile for that one to be prolific enough to drop prices but I’m patiently waiting. I figure eventually the big grower in Florida, costa farm, will cycle through anything popular enough. I’ve seen a fair few of the harder to find plants make their way this summer to Walmart and Lowe’s, so I expect to see more in the future. I noticed that the big box stores seem to follow social media trends and pay attention to what people are after.
I believe Costa Farms has Monstera Thai Constellation in production for 2022.
If Coasta Farms can mass produce the slow growing Trubii Moonlight then they will be mass producing the much faster growing PPP FOR SURE. I heard the PPP and Thai Constellations will be hitting the market on a mass scale soon.
@@GEOMETRICINK I know the Thai will. Costa Farms is waiting till they have enough to flood the market, and thereby avoid people trying to sell them for a higher mark up.
Does that make sense?
Watched an interview with two of the big wigs in Costa
Thanks you, Its like the Thai constellation in Australia. They once sold for $150 for a small rooted plant 2 year ago, But now people sell rotting out single nodes and wet sticks for $800 but people buy them, wee push the prices up, artificaly. There are warehouses full of plants and its all released at a controlled pace by the company's the own and grow them. If people just chill out, watch, wait, and sell our smaller cuttings for reasonable prices. we will saturate the market. The big companies will have to release more at once to get the $$$ they want or close to. We have the power to make the change in price. When enough of us see this, you will see the price come down.
Yeah honestly as much as the sellers are evil us consumers cant control ourselves as well. Good perspective
Like The turtle craze here in New Zealand
Was $50 a node last year, then one shop released some for $40 for a full pot ! And I paid $50 for a vcoh node last year and this year paid $135 for a full pot
There is plant shops that sell 4 inch plants for $20. It's crazy bc I bought most of those exact same size and planr for 3.50 at my local supermarket 😂 I was going to get a monthly plant subscription but realized I had all the ones they had in a regular box that was not 80 a month for one single med sized plant. I passed on that. I could get that plant for under 20 at the same local supermarket. It blows my mind how the price online is unrealistic.
How true plants are being sold at stupid prices here in australia (not by all) bidding is where things can get out a hand, I am a hobby grower and would love to expand my collection but the high prices are just a put off. Lets make plant prices reasonable for all to enjoy.
Exactly! We can through propagation and generosity.
our power is in numbers. if more people started propagating their plants and selling cuttings we'd all be better off.
I will definitely wait, I am fairly new to the houseplant world I have always focused on outdoors . I started with 7 angel trumpets and propagated at least 100 this winter, I planted around 50 and gave the other 50 away to friends and folks who drive by and admire my yard so they stop to talk and I end up gifting them a plant lol...I have a nursery wanting to buy from me next spring but as of now I am ok with just sharing my love for the plant. I cannot see myself paying $100 for no plant much less 2 leaves of a plant. I have learned alot from the plant community and I have started propagating my tradiscantia, spider plants and pothos I tried growing monstera deliciosa but with no success they rotted on me so may try again when I learn more . I am in no rush so gonna hang in there a bit longer to see how the plant prices go.
Water monstera only when it dries out. And don’t soak it when you do.
i was plnning on mking an etsy store with a bunch of tissue culture plants grown from rare plants and after seeing that facebook post I have decided to single-handedly lower the price to 20 dollars for a pot full of obliqa to piss them off. i will be back with the link to the store once i get the plants and tissue culture setup.
edit: I noticed you said you'd create a website, I think you should include a page that links to many people's stores so that we can have a hub to access each other's stock and create a unified web of home growers!
Awesome! I wanna get some tissue culture stuff going but its far off on the list. Good luck on your endevours!
Nothing beats the $27,500 V.minima that just sold here in New Zealand! Insane
I’ve joined a plant swapsie group. Swap cuttings/plants so I can give and get things we don’t have or want …best way to do it
the best groups are those that are city based or trading only! very nice!
Nicely done video! Thank you! Since in Austria plant-Instagram grows as in every other western country, prices for "standard" grandma houseplants got crazy. As you said, supply and demand are getting out of hands.
yeap, its world wide at this point
No kidding! The term you are looking for is "price fixing". It's illegal conspiratorial activity in most countries/industries I'm aware of.
Yeah its wild right
FANTASTIC Video! You are 100% Correct!! There are Great people in the Community just Like YOU and it makes it so enjoyable. All for pulling in some income but sometimes "greed" just spoils it for everyone. Great point on focusing on one plant. Thanks for being a Genuine plant lover who wants Everone to enjoy it too.
I really appreciate you talking about this price issue. Earlier last week nerdy Kathy talked about it as well. Keep up the good work.
I'll have to check out nerdy Kathy's channel!
@@TechplantChannel th-cam.com/video/iY7ZNHfa8iE/w-d-xo.html
I can’t wait to buy one of your babies! How will we find you?
It's called adoption... and it's a lot more complicated than just buying a baby.
I will make a website and an announcement video!
So true! That’s good that there are people like you!🙌🏻 keep up the awesome work Matt!
Preach, man! I feel you!!
Hell yeah we can lower prices together
@@TechplantChannel Don't destroy the Tulip market. You will cause a worldwide market crash.
The best video ever!... people must be/become aware of this situation...Plants are just plants. It is nice to have them but is so illogic to trade them like gold. Enjoy it, take care of them, and propagate, propagate and propagate it again.
Thanks for your smart message!
I love the people who get a plant for a deal, propagate it then sell it for more than the original plant they bought. Another gem is people who buy a pot from walmart for 16 dollars, cut it up and try and earn 50+ dollars
Glad that you touched on this topic. It can definitely be discouraging as a collector to see those crazy price tags on something you would love to have. It often makes me feel like I can never have a collection that I am happy/satisfied with but I hope that it can change to be more price inclusive one day.
A lovely woman I do trades with has an online shop where she buys “rare” plants cuts them up and sells the cuttings for super cheap for people who don’t have the money to pay high prices for these “rare” plants and she gets so much abuse from “rare” plants sellers and traders to the point they’ve made Facebook groups just to trash talk about her and accuse her of devaluing these plants by doing a good thing and making them available to people who who want to expand their collection without paying gouged prices and I commend her
Do you mind telling us where we can contact the woman. I would love to buy some cuttings to support them.
Good on her. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Strings n things??
this is so great! the idea of focusing on one plant which you can sell or trade! thanks for this!
You're so welcome! If we all do it we will turn more towards a trade based hobby and I think that would be neat!
The plant community turned from people who just loved plants and nurseries that mainly were family operations, into an acquisitions race, like getting the new iPhone or Gucci sunglasses or some other popular thing. The nurseries are still in business but new sellers started showing up like the toilet paper resellers buying up Costco's stock and selling toilet paper at ridiculous, price-gouging levels at the start of the pandemic.
yeap, its all a race too get the new popular plant then sell cuttings from it for a fortune
Preach! Nailed it.
Thanks!
You are so good guy. Where can we contact you to buy one of your propagated plant? Love to have one been care by you personally.
I will have a site and I'll make an announcment
I love your videos! This couldn't be more accurate. Haven't seen posts like the one you shared from the monstera group thankfully but I am getting burned out from seeing the same few plants for 100s of dollars. Your chonk video was so accurate too. I love trading and growing my collection that way. Just traded some manjula I had propagated for brandtianum. And a burle marx for syngonium varieties last week. Its so much more fun because you're not out any money and now I have a plant connected to a person. Hopefully with life slowly returning to normal plant swaps will be a thing again. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the cool content. I love all your propagation comparison videos.
Mmm any good suggestions for plant to mass prop??? I have a lot of planta so i might have ur suggestions :)
I'd look around at what's in demand. That will be good for you too cuz you can make trades easy too!
Yesss love that you talked about this! I just saw your Instagram story and glad you made the video as well!
That message was nuts! Im glad they redacted it tho. Plants are one of the few beautiful things that we can literally make a copy of and share so I hate seeing greed creap in
i know im late to the table,but i just found you.i agree,the prices are crazy,and i hate to admit but i have paid them high prices and it made me sick lol.how do i find your groups that your in?i would love to be a part of a community that thinks like me.
Love this! Where do you think you will sell your plants when they are ready? I’ll keep an eye out for them 😊
I'm working on a website that uses paypal so I can avoid extra fees and stuff to keep things cheap cheap
@@TechplantChannel Can't wait! Thank you for making the plant hobby more accessible for everyone!
@@TechplantChannel I'd sign up for one of the M.c's, and I'm here in Wisconsin!
Agree 100%. This is the craziest mania I’ve seen . Good for you for saying it.
Thanks for watching! Its wild!
Please do ALocasia Plant Collection and proper care and tips, and how can it thrive indoors
I have like 5 diff alocasia but they are faarrr from thriving lol
You’re nice and you have quite a set up. I think for the average individual would be more reluctant to buy an expensive plant imported and sell their propagation for less than what they paid for the plant. For melanochrysum it’s relatively more affordable among the ‘rare’ plants but for some ultra rare plants importing is already a few hundred dollars. So what you’re doing is a noble effort! I don’t think most people would like to cover their apartment in plant babies just to break even and sell for $25 and taking care of many plants. They may not mind reselling an extra prop for slightly more than what they paid for since acclimating to household humidity takes more time than a plant shop with optimal conditions. I just got into plants last year and I know where by budget limits are. There are so many plants that are affordable so I feel like there is a plant for everyone at their price point. Part of the coveted and appeal for rare plants is the exclusive or hard to get a hold of. Mass plants to some just don’t hold the same demand. I’m also not in flavour of how that obliqua group is fixing price by pausing sales. They should just let the free market decide how much the price should be.
I have met a lot of great people that allowed me to trade plants, some even the more high demand one.
Where I live there has been FB GROUPS that does group import orders, basically the importers will tell the members how many plants are available by a supplier and then they will arrange everything - all we have to do is pick up and acclimate the plants. I have gotten some "rare" plants pretty low like $5-$30 CAD which also includes split shipping
Hi 👋I'm new to this hobby, after my beloved mother died I started realising why she loved plants so much! On her death bed she kept on asking about her plants & fruit trees whether they've started giving fruit? Are they being watered regularly? Etc etc
I hope she's resting in a heavenly garden 🏝
Plz consider me as an amateur & help me carry on my mother's hobby.
Okay, now you tell me that plants are a bad long-term investment after I've put all my retirement savings into grass
Lmao
Awesome video love the idea of what you’re trying to spread 💚
do you sell on eBay or your own website?
I sell my cuttings for $5 it’s just enough to replace equipment used mind you it’s not a business it’s a hobby..💚🌱
Good work!
Do you use etsy?
@@isabellasumner5794 I’m in Australia
Love the words coming out of ur mouth 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Thanks!
Yesssss
Thanks for watching
haven’t seen one of your videos in quite a while (i’m sorry!) but even tho this is an opinion piece, man i really love this one. and i’m not even in the exotic plant community! just so interesting to hear about these issues. maybe it’s the econ major in me, idk. keep keepin it real! :)
Nice! Yeah it's interesting to see the inner workings of hobby groups
That shirt! Love love love it!
Thanks! My mom got it for me as a gift for the channel!
I have grown tropical indoor plants for many years and was shocked when I discovered certain youtubers selling tiny cuttings for hundreds of dollars. Such a rip off. I hope people stop buying these
Great PSA!
Thanks for watching!
💜 the planty shirt Matt!
This video!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽and I can't wait to buy from your shop. I give alot of my plants/cuttings away just to give some joy to other people. Tired of the overpriced plant market 😒
Great video!
I'm in this group and saw this happen in real time. I was like "what the hell?!"
You can't go wrong with Tulips.
hehe, I should pick some up
Agree with you 💯 👍
Thanks for watching!
👏👏👏👏👏 you are so right about all you said.
Thanks for watching! Together we can lower prices
Thankyou! 🙌🏼
Total truth. Thanks
Thanks for watching
Very Good !!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
$25 may work for you if you’re not paying taxes and don’t own a retail shop. But if you have other expenses this is why it’s more expensive
super duper looking forwards to your melano hitting the market!
The 9 downvotes are Price Gougers 😎
lmao
Yaaaaas so many good points
Faxx bruh
Thanks!
Yeh it sucks. I definitely see single node cuttings of a monstera deliciosa variegata for at least 50 bucks. And bidding most of the times gets it way up. It sucks
P-R-E-A-C-H!!!!! Pre-Pandemic years plants makes you happy because you LOVE plants! Now, Plants makes them happy because they're BOUJEE!!!! Plants nowadays are status not a hobby. The more expensive your plant, the better. You're right on plants should be propagated and should priced reasonably. Some sellers in my country 🇵🇭 got mad at me because I sell a very reasonable price on my Philodendron Florida Beauty. To Each Their Own, right? 🤣
Amen brother! I'm seeing plants that used to be regularly available or 5 to 10 $being sold for hundreds , notably syngonium albo variegata. The last one I had I got at Home Depot 10 years ago for five bucks. I've been collecting plants for over 30 years and I have never seen things get as ridiculous as they have over the past two! If it's not new or botanically rare, people are being taken advantage of. They're just paying too much for their Instagram hits and TH-cam unboxings! I highly recommend a video by Nick Alexander called Monster Mania that very much covers the same topic! Exercise some patience people! Plants propagate, Trends come and go
@Lèmon Lēe amen again! Auctions come across a lot like gambling
I am from Wisconsin and I would love to trade or buy some mag seeds for you! Idk if you are on social media, but I love your videos.
Hit me up on instagram
Do you have an online store where you still your cuttings? The irony of this comment is not lost on me 🥲
It would be really great, if you can start an online community page do that we can all follow you. Btw, I'm from India. At least for the sake of knowledge sharing, it will be helpful.
YES LITERALLY
Thanks for watching!
Youd be a great debater.
Thanks!
I love this ❤️😍
Thanks!
Its like when the Mendocino farmers got all booty hurt when legalization came around.
Exactly
Time to prop and chop
Well said
lol How are plants a long term investment?
Maybe they can mine bitcoins with the nodes
@@TechplantChannel I didn't know nodes could mine... Do they have to wear like tiny helmets as well?
Yeeees!!!
Thanks for watching!
Plant prices are exactly why I don't buy from several channels I love to watch on youtube. They charge far more than what I think a easy to propagate plant is worth.. and the only difference between the channel sellers and the etsy shops I usually buy from... plant size? Ok so I get to watch a smaller plant grow and flourish in my care instead of having a larger plant that may die off a bit due to conditions being varied from where it was being kept.
I dunno just my thought. I'd rather get the smaller plant as just a hobby keeper with no real intention of selling plants (I do trade and give things away all the time.. my cane angel wing begonia is my pride and joy and I have given away a slew of rooted cuttings after I trimmed it back from a 4ft tall plant to a 1ft again)
Heck.. once I move maybe I can get some of the higher prices begonias and start working on what you just suggested. Just mass propagating them. They are lovely plants but with how easy they are to take cuttings from and how fast they grow (nearly year round if you keep them at proper temps) I don't understand the price of them at all..
I agree 100% every plant I get that's a baby, it grows really well and adapts to my environment. The bug adult plants struggle and shed leaves
So tired of these people who buy up all the plants at the store like cebu blue pothos for example and and divide them into nodes to sell at the same price. New people without lots of spending money can’t get into the hobby because of these people.
yessss to thiss
Thanks for watching!
100% fact….
Yeap yeap
That's plant communism! 🪴🔨
It's only communism when its forced what I'm suggesting is generosity from the heart.
They grow practically for free? Uhm what?
I have a bin $15, sphagnum $10, 1 light $25 with a years worth of electricity. So 50 bucks to raise 60 nodes of melanochrysum. If I sold 2 at 30 each I would have covered cost. Sell the next 58 nodes for 30 dollars each = 1740 dollars. Now If I was greedy I could sell for 75$ each and earn 4350. In relation to total sales the cost to raise is nothing
Controlling supply is nothing new. Will you attack every industry? Diamonds for example of a very common mineral, but artificially they are withheld from the market to increase value. This will only stop when people refuse to pay the prices, not the sellers fault that some people pay silly money
Yeah plant communism! I’m in
Another toxic community. So sad.
yes but the good thing is its a small percentage and as the good people get ahold of the more desired plants the supply will increase!
Your rare plant stops being rare once you sell it enough, simple really.
Yeah they just wanna keep the high prices as long as they hold majority of the market they hate it when other people start selling
your anticapitalism is *music to my ears*
Bro pls, times have changed like it or lump it.
Don't hate on sellers for wanting the best price possible. Some ppl like me are using plants to supplement what COVID took from our pay packets. I think to assume greed is the motivator is narrow minded, some of us aren't in this as 'hobby collectors'. Some of us are just trying to break bread.
A plant is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Simple. And if you want to sell at 2 years ago price, good on you; pls ship some to Australia so I can charge a fair market rate for them. No greed - mouths to feed.
I tire of hearing long term collectors complain about prices at the moment. It is what it is.
There's an opinion piece for you bro.
Funny you are saying 'it is what it is' , when it, in fact, is what greedy people want it to be.
Yes, you've expressed how you aren't considering this as greedy, but it really is shamefully greedy, you're just trying to not paint yourself as the villain.
@@rianmilit you can paint me as whatever you like. Ive been called far worse than greedy.
The days of paying $50 for an albo monstera are gone. As a famous group once sang 'Don't dream it's over'
I get sick of hearing ppl complain about the price of cuttings these days. Market forces will drive the price how they will. As thousands of fresh enthusiasts enter the market with money to spend, it is natural for prices to rise.
Its like the old guy talking about how a coke and chips 'use' to cost x amount and a gallon of gas 'y' amount. It's pointless because this is 2021...
You can fight it, you can adapt, or you can just sit it out and wait for the market to correct itself. Up to you what you do.
@@itsrewiquintal I mean, your comparison makes zero sense, production costs for food and other goods go up, naturally, so costs go up.
You're not building the plants you sell, and fertilizer, soil etc. are not high costing resources.
Obviously sellers can do what they want, and there will always be people willing to pay high prices, but be truthful with yourself and don't try to make yourself into a saviour, providing the masses with deliverance.
You're just profiting off gullible ppl that don't know better.
@@rianmilit hahaha, wow assumption king in the house.
Let me say without further comment, i have been 100% honest with myself and you with all I have said thus far and will continue to do so.
I researched this venture for a solid 6 months before I started.
I have only been buying plants for 4 months, so I have paid those big prices.
I keep a detailed spreadsheet of all I spend - every single cent. At present, i am out of pocket $1032 AUD
I am about to spend another $1000 AUD on a half moon var adansonii.
As soon as I purchase that plant i will prepare it to work.
I factored in a price drop of up to 60% on what I have paid once prices begin to settle.
Thats why it is vital that I sell while the market is high. To recoup my outlay.
I purchased an Albo Borg for $700 aud 4 months ago - 2 leaves one node.
I sold it privately to an experienced collector for $1,000 aud. But I sold it with 5 leaves (6th on the way) and 4 established nodes.
That person divided it instantly and recouped most of his costs.
This is the only plant I have sold thus far.
The beauty of a plant is secondary to me, i am in it to supplement my income. If I can make $50-$100/week in selling cuttings into the future i will be estatic.
I am no painter - i am definitely no saviour of anything apart from my family. My mentallity and approach to plants is very different to yours but as I said the game has changed. Like it or lump it, thats inoor plants in 2021.
In truth, he’s doing exactly what the free market was designed to do. Prices have reached a point where the much of the customer base believes it’s unreasonable. Power lies with the consumer every time.
Many understand how we got here and why sellers continue as they are. It’s not like we expect to pay less than wholesale. But if you get irritated by the idea of flooding the market with plants so prices drop (including your supplier’s), then what really is it you’re trying to justify? You want to be able to pay rent with sale of four or five plants? Say whatever you need to to sooth your conscience. Sure, everyone’s got to put food on the table. But lest we forget, ethics are a tenant of capitalism.
Prices will come down eventually, regardless of anyone’s call to action. So plan accordingly, bro.
Ps. It’s not our obligation to keep you in business. Starting a plant business after ONLY 6 months in this market isn’t my idea of a fiscally intelligent plan. But hey, I hope it pans.