I'm so glad you were inspired by my video to create queer analysis of your own! This was really insightful and I value your perspective. Thank you for making this!!
i loved your analysis of both sunny and basil from a queer lens and i loved this video as well (especially considering that i'm a trans man myself). i'm so happy people are openly discussing and sharing these readings of characters, especially characters from a game that i hold so near to my heart.
I am a trans man and I fully see where you’re coming from with this video! Most of the topics you discussed with Sunny fearing the fact that his friends could reject him for being trans as well as Sunny’s view on femininity honestly hits so close to home for me. Also! Amazing video keep up the great work!!
#23:21 maybe this is a-bit of a stretch - as it was just something that went by my mind, but often as a trans person it’s hard to go swimming without looking like the opposite gender, even with swimming binders by general society is considered feminine, this was just a little note though, I have no idea where this comment was going LOL
As a transwoman, I absolutely fucking LOVE this video. It's amazing. I've headcanoned Sunny as Transfem for a VERY long time, and I've been waiting for a video like this to be made. So.. thank you. Thank you so much, this is wonderful! I love trans Sunny!! Transfem, Transmasc, it doesn't matter to me! He's just. SO not cis-coded to me!!! And this video is such a WONDERFUL deep dive into the trans-masc sunny headcanon!!! It's SO great!! AUGUHGUGH!!!!
Not really a huge fan of omori anymore (the fandom became a HUGE reason why, lol) but i love this interpertation, especially as a transmasc guy in a not so accepting country, i remember when i was outed to my friends and was told that “no, find faith in god, you’re still a girl”, this whole essay actually made me realize just how similar i am to sunny lol, mentally ill, extremely imaginative and trans are in fact things people have associated me with
@@SunnfloweropposumAnd the fact that the things you find here and on twitter are just surface level makes it even worse, after seeing some of the shit on Ao3, i understand your feelings tbh
"If Sunny was never able to tell people that he hasn't wanted to play violin for a long time, how could he tell them that hes not a girl?" Oh I get this so much, I play violin and I haven't wanted to for a while and I'm tired of doing it and also I'm scared of telling my family that I am a transgender male. I understand Sunny aka Omori and I've always wanted to be accepted and I have been able to be accepted by my friends but my family can't accept it.
Thanks! I thought that comic photo was Sunny too for so long so when I saw the long hair one day I couldn't unsee it. Figured I should point it out since I'm not the only one who thought it was Sunny lol
Thank you for your analysis! I really enjoyed the vid 🩵🤍🩷 as a transmasc person, I remember the “you are not my son” line pinging something in me the first time I saw that scene, and even after the reveal, I really felt that line as a double whammy. It feels very affirming to see others view omori through a queer lens
I'm happy you enjoyed it! The "You are not my son" line caught my eye the first time I saw it and I really enjoy the dual meaning it can potentially have :D
this was a great watch, everything was organised very well and all of your points were explained greatly in my opinion, the transitions between the video sections were also very smooth and natural! i also really enjoyed a lot of your interpretations of certain areas and aspects of the game. i personally am a huge fan of the transmasc sunny headcanon and this video made me get emotional at quite a few points, kudos to you ^^ i was already set on the idea of trans sunny in my mind before, but this video helped me understand the take as something with evidence rather than just a "what if" scenario as i viewed it previously. like i said before i really enjoy how you interpreted a lot of the things from the game here
Aw thank you so much! I've been a fan of the transmasc Sunny hc for a while now, so the more I took that hc seriously the more I realized that there actually is some solid evidence towards this line of thinking [: I also teared up multiple times near the end of writing and recording the audio for the script :'D
Hey, thank you for this video! Sorry you have to deal with all the weird comments. I'm always a fan of queer readings of stories, even if I'm not the biggest Omori fan, I think a certain trans reading will always be possible with coming of age tales like this and I'll always eat them up. Great work!!
Thank you! The weird comments are unfortunate but eh it was to be expected... There's a lot of very sweet and insightful comments from other people though and focusing on those makes things easier [: Also I definitely agree! Trans interpretations + coming of age stories are so fun
this was a wonderful watch. i love reading characters through a queer lens and a character like sunny just has so much to analyze. you brought up a lot of things that i hadn't paid much mind to myself and overall this video and your analysis really spoke to me a lot as a trans man and as someone who loves this game. i can't wait to see the videos you'll make in the future and i hope this one gets all of the attention that it deserves :)
Yep! I just personally like the interpretation of Sunny being a trans guy which is why I only talk about it in this video. If you think of him as anything else I have no problems with that [:
woah what the hell? when you said you hit 300 subscribers i forgot you werent at least at 15k. i love your videos so so much, one trans person to another :3
This is probably one of my favorite interpretations of headspace and Sunny ever. I’ve been wanting a video like this ever since watching NerdyArty’s video, and this video just did so well on analyzing Sunny and how his mind works
I just wanted to say that your view and the way you analyzed the Blackspace sections are just so awesome!!! I really liked the points you made, specially the "You are not my son" one, ive been thinking about that one for a long time !! btw I hope that you and your family are doing better now!! stay safe ^_^
Thank you so much [: The "You are not my son" one is an interpretation I've had in the back of my mind for a little while so I'm glad I get to share it with other people! Also my family is doing better
I've watched gameplays and played the game myself SO many times and I genuinely never noticed the long hair in the photo, I always thought it was Sunny based on his face and how similar the expression is to his other pictures so consider my mind blown lol. This was such a great video to watch and I can tell it had so much thought put into it and it's only helped solidify one of the first-ever theories I had made about Sunny which was him being somewhere under the transgender umbrella (especially with the whole mystery potion thing lol). Thanks for this analysis!! Again, it's very well made and now i have some more things to brainstorm about at 3 am 😅
Just managed to P-rank a custom level in ULTRAKILL while watching this (took a while but I got it at around the 33 min. mark lmao). A lot of interesting points were brought up, the conclusion was wholesome, overall a great video essay.
this video made me so happy for some reason. idk, but i literally found it right after coming out to my mum as trans so it was kinda silly timing!! anyways, i love the video. it makes a lot of sense to me, and i feel like this should be a canon thing lolz :) sorry if this literally makes no sense i rarely ever comment on videos but i just rly wanted to try and say how much i love this video and how happy it made me (without making a multiple paragraph long comment)!! :) also sorry for commenting this long after the video came out i feel like it may be annoying-
i have a little something to add witb the statement on 29:30 because, somewhere in black space 2 ((im 97% sure)) sunny and mari's mum is comforting sunny, im guessing after mari's death. she says something about how "we're ((her and the father)) here/going to protect you" similar to what basil says. im guessing this is because sunny might of told them what happened? i havent looked too far into it though and it is just a theory!! anyway, i loved this video and headcannon so much thank you for taking time to make this 🙏🙏🙏
Im so sorry for all these genuinely transphobic comments, I adore this video as someone who is VERYY trans masc and yess TRANS SUNNYYYYYY GGRGRGRGRGGRGRG❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Again i ADOREE THISSSSSSSS and dont let the transphobess get 2 ya :o33
In a closet, still. Omori's last sections had me full in tears and all my fears and guilts weee resting in my chest. ... It's going to yake me some time to be able to watch this video.
i've seen an another deep dive into BS 2 (can give a link if you're interested) and there the "faces of omori" room was called something like "the heart of darkness". This, along with the fact that it is, as far as i remember, located in the Red Maze, which is a part of the Red Space (Omori's personal domain, as color red has been shown to represent repression on a number of occasions throughout the game), brings me to an idea that perhaps it can be indeed called the "heart" of Omori as an entity and, therefore, him being able to use the potion here kinda makes sense because it does seem fitting for a place that is connected to the concepts of both identity and repression also, the abyss is still technically underwater, as you access it through going into the dark on the neverending underwater road, so that might also explain the use of the potion here
Just to give some slight commentary, I'd like to offer an alternative explanation as to why Headspace treats its major female characters so poorly. In my opinion, it's possible to view this as an extension of Sunny's complicated feelings towards Mari. I could write an essay on how Sweetheart represents all the aspects Sunny hated about his sister (her toxic positivity, perfectionism, controlling behavior) and we know that Mari was one of Sunny's largest feminine influences in his childhood. Because of this, I'd like to suggest that Headspace treats these female bosses so poorly as a form of repression. These bosses are unintentional reminders of the parts of Mari Sunny doesn't want to remember, the parts that led to their fight. As such, like anything in Headspace that serves as too much of a reminder, it is removed in one way or another. As to why their are no positive major female characters, I would suggest that Sunny refusing to acknowledge Mari's negative traits in regards to her has led to them popping up in virtually every female character he tries to create, in a similar way to how repressing Something makes it leak through the cracks to Headspace. Anyway, I still think your point works, but I wanted to suggest this as an alternative.
That's a pretty good interpretation and I gotta say I do like that idea. It crossed my mind when writing the script, but I guess I just didn't dig too deep into it. Thanks for your comment!
Something I really like about Omori is the ambiguity of some of his characters. I feel that it is a game made on purpose to make it easier for anyone to identify with it. And yet, thinking about this video and the reading you have done, has made me realize that there are still things that I have not discovered about Omori. Small details that, yes, may be a little ambiguous, but they can also shape the way we interpret the game. It's really nice to know that a trans reading of Sunny can be done. You've really encouraged me to want to play Omori again. Perhaps, I too can see a clearer reflection of my feelings in the game. (sorry for using google translate :p)
I'm really happy to hear that! I really love the ambiguous nature of Omori too because it allows the community to create virtually infinite interpretations which is super cool
I'm saying around a 35% liklyhood of this being true. also apparently youtube auto deletes a comment with the words mhi (this is shortened form another phrase) and personally i think they should do something similar to deltarune this time with another character.
I always interpreted the women bosses being mean to be the last image of Mari, in a sense. The last point that Sunny interacted with Mari, she was angry and not exactly considering Sunny's own feelings to the concert, so seeing this was quite interesting to hear!!
this was great! i hadn't thought of a lot of these points and they were super interesting to have explained. by the way, i had a random thought while watching this. you know how sunny's pretty short and small, considering he's been staying inside for four years and is also probably malnourished? what if: he's also on puberty blockers for being transmasc, and this is a factor in his small stature???
Before anybody calls me transphobic or anything stupid like that, i am not saying you can't have headcanons, but they're called headcanons, not change the canon. What I'm about to say is just basic facts that for some reason people don't want to look at. You can have alternate universes where these scenarios happen, but don't be surprised when people don't agree with you that Sunny is trans. I also respect trans people for who they are and who they aspire to become in the future. I am simply doing a critique of this video because there are lots of issues I've noticed. I'm just gonna say it, we saw him as a baby. We saw him literally as a young child too. There was no shot he transitioned between then. Along with that, if it even relatively mattered to the story, I think Omocat would've included something about it. The mystery potion is also a bad argument for 2 reasons: 1 - It's only true purpose is to be a nod to the fact that you used to be able to choose Sunny's gender. 2 - If you really wanted to take a deep dive into it, it makes more sense to assume that it's just something that crossed his mind rather than stretching to this extreme. It's normal to have thoughts like "What if i was a girl? What if I was a boy?" it doesn't mean you're trans.. Saying that Mari in the comic book photo is actually Sunny is a HUGE stretch. The clothes don't align with Sunny's style of wear at the time, which was just a t-shirt and some shorts, simple stuff. Also, Sunny's iconic ahoge isn't visible in that picture, even though at that angle, it would be. Along with that, we saw pictures of Sunny being male dated before that picture? E.G: Basil's birthday photo of him, dated 2/18, is placed before the comic book photo, which was dated 8/18. It simply doesn't line up. As for the bosses, there are plenty of side characters that are female that are just fine. Po for example, the lady that Kel compliments for being tall. The playground characters, and many others. You can't just choose the bosses and not the side characters to analyze. Also, you cannot say that they fully die on the true route just because Sunny doesn't get far enough into the dream to see them alive. Hell, Perfectheart isn't even looking down on you, where did you get that from?? She just doesn't want you hurt cause she is aware what she could be capable of, but she is unaware what you are capable of. It's always good to warn people, you know. Another thing about the mystery potion, when you use it, you can go into the girl's bathroom. Inside, it looks nothing like a real girl's bathroom, showing that Sunny has never really been in one. Along with that, if Sunny didn't want to be a girl, then why would the mirror make him look "especially flattering" in it. Sunny's dad not knowing about the reality behind Mari's death would be wild.. Cause he literally had to cut down the tree and probably take her hanging body off of it, he would see there were brusies and scratches on it, meaning something else happened. It's also likely that Sunny told his parents, seeing as he's a literal child, not knowing what to do in a situation like this. They likely taught in schools that if something goes wrong you tell a trusted adult. It makes far more sense than his dad disowning him for gender. It's either that or he didn't want to be involved with the family anymore after his probably favorite child died. If you pay attention, the dad seems like a strict authoritarian, not wanting Mari to be dating just yet. He might be where Mari got her perfectionism from too. She was likely his favorite child, and once she's gone, he didn't want to be part of the family, so he chopped down the tree and left. Keep in mind as well, this is an adult man, who can see things that are hidden far better than a 12 yr old can hide them. I wouldn't overthink the Herosaurus thing too much, to me it quite literally just seems like a silly joke Sunny thought of in his head when he was young and clung onto. It's just meant to be a silly gag for shits and giggles. In MY conclusion, the evidence presented here today is a little flimsy, and you stretched it a little too far. Now again, you can have your beliefs, and I have mine, that's a-ok. Just don't start trying to say it's almost a definite truth that he is, as theres many holes in it. Thanks for spending the time to read, have a good rest of your day/night.
Dude, there’s a whole section that’s about how it’s completely fine if you don’t see sunny as trans anything, it’s just seeing the character through a trans lens, no one is forcing anything.
THIS IS SO COOL…. i really really like this reading of the text + just the analysis that went into it and what perspectives you can gain. idumno its really neat
I feel like it makes sense for Sunny to be trans, Sunny is a both gendered name, and it would make sense for him to start out as a girl at birth but started out early as a guy or smh... but I'm not so sure about Omori. Omori sounds more like a male name, so Omori must have been created during Sunny's male mindset. It seems like Sunny has told his friends about it at some point because all his friends call him by the pronouns "he/him" and they know he doesn't like being alone, I feel like that loneliness comes from his (made-up) fear of being a girl or smh. I do feel like i'm saying nonsense, and I think that is the point.
I think sunny was fucked in the head more than having a crush on kel, and he was fucked in the head by the accident so idk that's my take he likes being around kel, because kel is his light in dark and kel's personality shows that. Because kel is his friend and the game kinda shows that friendship is important. But in general I don't think sunny is trans but if you think so, go on ahead.
I agree with that. I’m pretty sure Sunny saw Kel more as a brother, because in the Hikikiomori route, Kel said something about Omori being his “honorary brother”.
I’m a trans boy and this was pretty epic to watch but I wanted to say about the Omori faces room where you can drink the potion, obviously Omori’s faces doesn’t change, another thing that could add to Sunny seeing himself as a boy, since It’s strange a room in Blackspace that obscure can have the mystery potion be used in it
As a transmasc the Abbi part always made me feel weird, what is she exactly? and why is it there? Since we meet Abbi on the Hikikomori route we immediately enter into combat, without even knowing who she is or why we fight and even if we forgive her, she will always be trapped in the deepest part, right next to the black space. Thanks to this video I just realized why it seemed so strange to me. What if it's represented like "a past self" ? a past self that Sunny desperately seeks to hide and retain, that he wishes to forget, or at least that's the impression I get
This is such a good analysis!! I really liked the video nerdyarty made, and this is a great response! In omori's sketchbook the drawing were he sits in the bathtub hangs his clothing on a line and a bra hangs with it too!? I thought that was something that goes with this video!!!
Thank you! Also that's a great point that I totally forgot about! Especially since it's only up there with Omori's other clothes and none of Mari's it definitely seems like that bra belongs to him- Thanks for pointing it out [:
@@ZellixGRRXD Yeah it doesn't really make sense since there's a distinct lack of her clothes plus she's not even the one taking that bath lol. What's also pretty interesting is that in the White Space sketchbook, it's the only piece of clothing that's bright red which intentionally draws attention to it and makes it feel out of place amongst the other clothes
What if the StoryTeller was in Omori as a character who stands both with and against the bosses in Omori? How do I relate this hard with this Sunny despite considering myself transfem? Meh, I'll continue to go down. So far, I relate with his passivity, and his preference for the other gender, and a lot of the things here could just be flipped around with femininity and it would all fit together well, except for Omori's Misogyny. I've discovered stuff that might make Sunny question his transmasc identity just like I've questioned my transfem identity, and I'm not sure what that would mean for the two of us, but I know it cannot mean anything good. I would definitely drive Sunny insane just by my mere presence within his Headspace. I also hope that you and your family are all doing well after the Tornado, and I want to send my condolences for what happened and I hope that the recovery process after what happened will go better. I'm also glad for that message about acceptance, but I'm not even sure what is even behind my own identity. I've lived so long as someone who is effectively identity-less and has always incorporated or taken others' identities and attempted to both incorporate and understand them my whole life that I have barely been able to solidly give myself an identity that both fits and feels like me. I'll probably never have one, as that ship feels like it has sailed a long time ago with me being given so many opportunities to have gotten on that ship that now it feels like what is even the point anymore? Sure, I could just take some chances and see what happens, but how do I even organize and set boundaries for that to happen in the first place? How do I even make the time to do so? Meh, I guess I'll do it someday.
so... not trying to be that guy... but the final duet shows Sunny as a baby and Sunny growing up very much as a boy... i get that this is simply another way to look at Sunny as a character, but if it's 100% undeniably not true, then it doesn't make for a very good topic of discussion. not trying to be rude, though.
Agreed, I understand that this is just supposed to be a different fun way to interpret Sunny’s character and I don’t necessarily have any problem with that, but I don’t really see the point in doing so if what you’re saying is able to be quickly and blatantly disproven by what is arguably the most memorable and important scene in the game
i kinda feel like sunny is 12 and that this is the 2000s where this kinda stuff was small? Playing devils advocate here but i feel like there's an important reason as to why sunny is a male, they would've had a female version otherwise idk just feels like it messes with the narrative a lil ig.
Transmasc sunny just doesn’t make sense. We see sunny grow up as a boy from birth. Sunny hasn’t left the house in years. They wouldn’t even have access to Hrt. If sunny is trans they haven’t transitioned yet. i feel like your just projecting yourself onto them. I’m gonna edit this later with a full explanation.
On an, unrelated note. Whilst this theory does have a lot of good evidence too it! I’m wondering if you have anything regarding what we see in the “Final Duet” scene, as in there Sunny seems to be a from a young age, and growing up stays that way.
Well, this video isn't a theory video, it's just saying that "Hey these certain things about Sunny seem kinda trans when you piece them together-". I've seen a few comments saying that the Final Duet montage is a "hole" in my "theory", but there isn't a theory to poke holes in. Interpretations of the text are just a matter of perspective and I don't think there are any "wrong perspectives". It's just a way of viewing the source material. If you'd like to approach this idea as a theory then go ahead
I don’t want to take away from your representation so ignore this comment because it has a bit of a hole in the theory! I think finding representation in unexpected places is totally fine even if I don’t always agree! Here goes though, the parts later on like the you are not my son to me makes less sense because we see sunny baby pictures and they still look like sunny older, sure that can maybe be a bowl cut or something but even his clothes seem neutral compared to mari’s purple which is more traditionally feminine.
i REALLY don't see it. Definitely bi or more likely gay (im just making this up) Basil asked him out or kissed him then apologizes now Sunny REALLY trying to outrun his feelings for him --outrunning something that intense get the same result. but not anything that would suggest he wants to be a girl, andro, or fluid. mystery potion more like an easter egg put into the game. Entire game is more about him dealing with extreme guilt and being unable to face reality.
Respectfuly, i think this misses the point, and makes the character of Sunny way too diluted. Omori is obviously a game about guilt, depression, intrusive thoughts, coming of age... Obviously trans people live through this, but you could also say that ANYONE can live through it. I do believe that beeing gay or bi is relevant, since this is something that brings inner struggle towards his friends, who are the most important part about Omori, since we know that Sunny needs their help to get better. Beeing trans is not something that is needed in the story, therefore, he shouldn't be. Character traits need to be pertinent, that's just good writing, and Omori is a display of EXCELENT writing. Everything you point towards in your video can be seen as something way more fitting: Mania Sunny is manic, he's gonne beyound depression, he's always on edge IRL (Look at nightmari, the way that he sees the interaction of answering the door, the infinite stairways, the shadow on the mirror, this isn't just depression, it's extreme fear and trauma). I don't think trans characters shouldn't exist, i just think that pointing towards characters that don't need to be trans and calling them trans by nitpicking circumstential evidences is a disservice towards storytelling.
Hey, I get your point, but I feel like you're missing the point of this video, too. It's presenting a different lens to view this game and Sunny's journey at - not stating that Sunny is canonically & has to be transgender. It's simply a different reading of canon text. While Sunny being transgender would not change much about the story, this isn't OMOCAT and the writers adding a new additional element to the already grand story, this is a consumer of the story interpreting a few moments in canon into a slightly different narrative. There's a difference between an author telling you what canon is and a consumer telling you about their interpretation of the work. Sunny doesn't have to be trans, he doesn't have to be queer. But if you're looking for some other people's different readings of some text or subtext that the author didn't even necessarily intend, you might find that the story has some fun angles to be played with that you never even thought about. Every text has two authors - the actual author and the reader. By having someone present their reading of a character as queer, the text itself doesn't change. And you can disagree with this reading. That's absolutely fine - your reading of the story sees Sunny as cisgender but troubled mentally, and not trans. But you don't get to call this a 'disservice to storytelling' when this is simply a different interpretation.
So being bi brings inner struggle towards his friends therefore its relevant, but somehow being trans doesn't? This video was just made to add cool perspective, I personally dont think Omocat could handle this topic in a good way tbh, but it seems like youre making trans expierences into these shallow thing, that cant correlate into anything bigger. Theres literally so much you can say about being trans and expierencing guilt, intrusive thoughtd and depression. Also this video doesnt say that sunny is for sure trans, it just showcases the possibilities of how that could be explored.
@@camotty As i said: you CAN tell a story about the traumas of a trans person, that's not the point. The point is that every different trait a character has, be it beeing gay, bi, a homophobe, trans, transphobic, man or woman, these traits should be explored, not implied. This is not really a matter of opinion, it's a rule of storytelling, if it's not useful, then it shouldn't be there (Of course "rules" of art are highly subjective, but Omori seems to follow them). I'm not making beeing trans something shallow, i'm saying the exact oposite: Beeing trans is a complex and nuanced situation, so it shouldn't be something diluted in a story that has so many different heavy topics such as depression, suicide, fratricide, isolation... The key word here is DILUTED, not shallow. I understand that the video is not saying sunny is trans for sure, and i'm also not saying that sunny isn't trans for sure, this should be a healthy and mature debate where people can disagree with the message of the video.
@@HanSoled199I agree that everyone should stay respectful, but, again, respectfully, you called it a 'disservice to storytelling' first. That's just not true, because, again, this video essayist did not write OMORI. You are approaching the rules of storytelling from the writer's viewpoint. Many people saw themselves in, say, Undertale's subtext of growing up or even growing up queer or mentally ill despite the game not explicitly addressing it. In that case, people would also show a few lines and, in your words 'nitpicking evidence'. I understand your frustration and need to reinforce your admittedly heavily text-implied reading of the text, though I don't see why Sunny being mentally ill would exclude a trans reading of the story. If he were explicitly just written as trans with maybe 3 or 4 lines confirming it, yeah, I'd be pretty disappointed too. But we're still in subtext territory and an interpretation like this ultimately doesn't hurt anyone and it won't change the text, neither will it alter the rules of storytelling, as it's not the actual writers blankly stating that Sunny is trans.
@@graegrape Again, i'm not saying you can't have this interpretation, i'm just laying my points to show why i disagree with your viewpoint. We don't need to agree, and we don't necessarily need to convince each other. One of the best things about art is it's subjective, so we can talk about it, debate it, disagree with each other and even find some common grounds. You can view the story however way you want, as can i, and we can just talk about it for the sake of talking.
this is one of the times i’d say i don’t respect someone’s omori headcanon but i mean do whatever the fuck you want anyways, this video is nitpicking and literally gets most things wrong, nobody in headspace does die, i don’t know what you’re trying to say about the bosses segment, but that entire segment is literally almost all wrong
... Okay, let's do this I don’t care what gender a person is and I don’t care about anything related to gender reassignment. Yes, I will be surprised if I find out that a person I know did this, but I don’t take it that bad But...why add a non-characteristic trait to the characters? At least I see this video as if they are trying to show us Sunny as a trans, but... this is stupid. Everything about the mystical potion is cutting off the thoughts of children who think what would happen if I were of a different gender. This thought is completely natural and does not reflect a real desire to change gender. Just an idea along the lines of “what if I weren’t there? What if someone dear to me died?” All of this kind of thoughts, but not in a negative way, but just out of interest And about the fact that Sunny perceives female images negatively... it’s made up out of thin air Perfect heart, robo heart, slime heart, they all seem non-negative to Sunny Marie and Aubrey are also quite positive images in his head Bluegirl, although strange, clearly has a bunch of other intropriations For example, the image of sad Aubrey? Seriously, taking into account the fact that he often listened to her, it could have imprinted her crying in his head, and the black cosmos itself distorted this by its own existence. Why doesn't she want to talk? Let's say that Aubrey had a particularly bad period and Sunny remembered it Or does he himself think that Sunny has let her down so much that he is now not worthy to talk to her and it is obvious that Sunny's father disowned his son for killing Marie It’s stupid to weave into such an important fact for the story (which means both parents of Sunny’s family KNEW that he killed Marie) the idea of trances Sorry if this is all rude, but I just don’t understand the meaning of such theories Sunny being trans doesn't matter to the story, so it's too weird an idea for me.
i would honestly have to agree with this comment. i think that yes, a lot of the facets of the game do have large amounts of symbolism behind them. but Omocat is not God... not every little thing that is implemented in the game has to have mountains upon mountains of foreshadowing or implications. i think the point about female images being perceived negatively is either looking into simple gameplay decisions too hard, coincidences, or there are other ways to view said characters. this point would be like me making a 20 minute video on how the murdering of the four sprout moles for the show tickets or how the trees around basil's house withering is actually portraying sunny's disgust of nature and desire to industrialize the world... either it's not intended to be looked into that deeply, symbolizing something else, or has other ways to interpret it. nothing hateful about this, obviously. i just enjoy discussing the game with people in any way.
@@sansgaming607 Agree But it’s trivial to look for meaning where there is none, for me it looks like the dumbest subject of analysis Let’s say I have the same option with blugirl voiced in the video. Which sounds better? Is this part of Sunny being Trance, or is it a possible reflection of how Sunny remembers moments when he can't help someone he cares about? (Aubrey) You could say that both are the same, but let's be honest, my version sounds MUCH more meaningful, doesn't it? I'm not particularly proud, but in the analysis of this I ate the dog. As for me, it’s better not to look for anything related to themes of different genders or politics in games, but it’s better to address all the details to the characters It's better that Sunny was a boy who is very kind and so selfless that the memory of the fact that he could not cheer up Aubrey and that she did not want to talk to him became for him something equal to hellMari in terms of trauma. Than the fact that he is Trans. Gender and even political beliefs do not affect the plot of games or anything else (if the work was not originally dedicated to this). But character influences. And when we can learn little directly, such an analysis is good. sorry if I sound too angry or arrogant
@@Tv-qu8db oh sorry, i think my reply might've seemed like i disagreed with a couple things you said. i don't disagree with anything you said, i think it's all spot-on. i was just saying "not every little thing that is implemented has to have mountains upon mountains of foreshadowing" as a reference to some arguments that certain people make about the game. everything that you've said i agree with though 👍
Wait huh? I thought people were shipping the present day Faraway versions of the characters, all of which are minors (with the exception of Hero, who’s approximately 19.), then again, the only side I’ve seen of the Omori fandom is on VRChat and Roblox, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. (Not trying to deny people doing those things, just wanted to make that clear.)
@@Mushie_lol im aware. i mean trans, thats quite weird for children. children can definitely figure out themselves! but, js saying that when sunnys around 13, eh just kind.... creeps me out. though most omori fans from what i've seen are a bit.... SILLY😊😊😊😊😊😊😃😃😃😃😃😃. in a better way to say, yalls community is edps💀💀
@@defnotanerdbro yeah, I agree most of the community is terrible. But I don’t see how headcannoning a kid to be trans in a video game is weird, unless they’re doing it for sketchy reasons.
look, if I'm gonna be honest, I do still get rubbed slightly the wrong way by stuff like this. NOT the idea of analyzing these games under the queer lenses, but rather the idea that some people think of these things as guarenteed just because certain cherry-picked lines happen to match up with their own experiences. I don't like that game-theory-like style of analyzing all too much anymore. Of course, this video clearly disclaims it is not like that (and OP would benefit greatly from knowing that) but even still, for whatever reason, it bothers me. My own thing to work on, I guess? Just don't pay me much attention and keep doing what you're doing, lavender.
I'm so glad you were inspired by my video to create queer analysis of your own! This was really insightful and I value your perspective. Thank you for making this!!
YOOOO! IT'S THE GUY THAT'S THE GUY FROM THE VIDEO IN THIS VIDEO! IN THE VIDEO!
i loved your analysis of both sunny and basil from a queer lens and i loved this video as well (especially considering that i'm a trans man myself). i'm so happy people are openly discussing and sharing these readings of characters, especially characters from a game that i hold so near to my heart.
I am a trans man and I fully see where you’re coming from with this video!
Most of the topics you discussed with Sunny fearing the fact that his friends could reject him for being trans as well as Sunny’s view on femininity honestly hits so close to home for me.
Also! Amazing video keep up the great work!!
Thank you! I actually am too so it's been great seeing how many other transmasc/trans guys have been enjoying my video [:
#23:21 maybe this is a-bit of a stretch - as it was just something that went by my mind, but often as a trans person it’s hard to go swimming without looking like the opposite gender, even with swimming binders by general society is considered feminine, this was just a little note though, I have no idea where this comment was going LOL
That's a really good point! I hadn't thought about that, but it definitely makes sense
As a transwoman, I absolutely fucking LOVE this video. It's amazing. I've headcanoned Sunny as Transfem for a VERY long time, and I've been waiting for a video like this to be made. So.. thank you. Thank you so much, this is wonderful! I love trans Sunny!! Transfem, Transmasc, it doesn't matter to me! He's just. SO not cis-coded to me!!! And this video is such a WONDERFUL deep dive into the trans-masc sunny headcanon!!! It's SO great!! AUGUHGUGH!!!!
Thank you so much! I'm really happy that the trans Sunny enjoyers have been liking my video [:
Not really a huge fan of omori anymore (the fandom became a HUGE reason why, lol) but i love this interpertation, especially as a transmasc guy in a not so accepting country, i remember when i was outed to my friends and was told that “no, find faith in god, you’re still a girl”, this whole essay actually made me realize just how similar i am to sunny lol, mentally ill, extremely imaginative and trans are in fact things people have associated me with
Omori's fandom being more wild and horrying than it of Fear and Hunger is disturbing at best
@@moonshine6304 yeah, i love fan communities but im not getting into omori ever again because of its insane fandom
@@SunnfloweropposumAnd the fact that the things you find here and on twitter are just surface level makes it even worse, after seeing some of the shit on Ao3, i understand your feelings tbh
@@moonshine6304 yeah, i really missed it when it was an small fandom eugh, this is my my current hyperfixations have more smaller communities
if you don't like it why you trolling here @moonshine6304
"If Sunny was never able to tell people that he hasn't wanted to play violin for a long time, how could he tell them that hes not a girl?" Oh I get this so much, I play violin and I haven't wanted to for a while and I'm tired of doing it and also I'm scared of telling my family that I am a transgender male. I understand Sunny aka Omori and I've always wanted to be accepted and I have been able to be accepted by my friends but my family can't accept it.
This video does such a good job analyzing the things in Sunny's head. Also I never noticed the long hair in the Faraway comic photo.
me neither 😭 i always just assumed it was sunny and moved on
Thanks! I thought that comic photo was Sunny too for so long so when I saw the long hair one day I couldn't unsee it. Figured I should point it out since I'm not the only one who thought it was Sunny lol
@@basilelevator_SAME😭😭
I've never resonated with a thumbnail more than this one 🩵🩷🤍
Thank you for your analysis! I really enjoyed the vid 🩵🤍🩷 as a transmasc person, I remember the “you are not my son” line pinging something in me the first time I saw that scene, and even after the reveal, I really felt that line as a double whammy. It feels very affirming to see others view omori through a queer lens
I'm happy you enjoyed it! The "You are not my son" line caught my eye the first time I saw it and I really enjoy the dual meaning it can potentially have :D
Hellmari actually does hurt you in blackspace 2 in the red maze, very minor damage but still some.
Oh, I didn't notice! Thanks for letting me know
although she cannot kill the player no matter how hard you bang your head against walls
WHAO i never noticed the sunny pic with long hair before! :O that's so coooolll
I feel like i didn't absorb every point you were making, but I enjoyed it all the same! ❤
I appreciate it regardless [:
no clue what omori is but i know it’s sad and i love sad transgender people, awesome video 🔥
Lmao thanks
this was a great watch, everything was organised very well and all of your points were explained greatly in my opinion, the transitions between the video sections were also very smooth and natural! i also really enjoyed a lot of your interpretations of certain areas and aspects of the game. i personally am a huge fan of the transmasc sunny headcanon and this video made me get emotional at quite a few points, kudos to you ^^ i was already set on the idea of trans sunny in my mind before, but this video helped me understand the take as something with evidence rather than just a "what if" scenario as i viewed it previously. like i said before i really enjoy how you interpreted a lot of the things from the game here
Aw thank you so much! I've been a fan of the transmasc Sunny hc for a while now, so the more I took that hc seriously the more I realized that there actually is some solid evidence towards this line of thinking [: I also teared up multiple times near the end of writing and recording the audio for the script :'D
Hey, thank you for this video! Sorry you have to deal with all the weird comments. I'm always a fan of queer readings of stories, even if I'm not the biggest Omori fan, I think a certain trans reading will always be possible with coming of age tales like this and I'll always eat them up.
Great work!!
Thank you! The weird comments are unfortunate but eh it was to be expected... There's a lot of very sweet and insightful comments from other people though and focusing on those makes things easier [: Also I definitely agree! Trans interpretations + coming of age stories are so fun
I'm biased towards the transfem sunny variation of the theory, but I think you made a lot of great points all the same
Thanks, I appreciate it
this was a wonderful watch. i love reading characters through a queer lens and a character like sunny just has so much to analyze. you brought up a lot of things that i hadn't paid much mind to myself and overall this video and your analysis really spoke to me a lot as a trans man and as someone who loves this game. i can't wait to see the videos you'll make in the future and i hope this one gets all of the attention that it deserves :)
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it [:
@@lavenderorchard fun fact omori’s birthday is only 9 days after mine!
Couldn’t sunny also be nonbinary or genderfluid?
Yep! I just personally like the interpretation of Sunny being a trans guy which is why I only talk about it in this video. If you think of him as anything else I have no problems with that [:
woah what the hell? when you said you hit 300 subscribers i forgot you werent at least at 15k. i love your videos so so much, one trans person to another :3
I'm so happy to hear that! I'm also flattered you think I seem like a 15k channel [':
Never realized it was Mari in the Space Boy comic photo, cool. Also great video, earned a sub :)
This is probably one of my favorite interpretations of headspace and Sunny ever. I’ve been wanting a video like this ever since watching NerdyArty’s video, and this video just did so well on analyzing Sunny and how his mind works
I just wanted to say that your view and the way you analyzed the Blackspace sections are just so awesome!!! I really liked the points you made, specially the "You are not my son" one, ive been thinking about that one for a long time !! btw I hope that you and your family are doing better now!! stay safe ^_^
Thank you so much [: The "You are not my son" one is an interpretation I've had in the back of my mind for a little while so I'm glad I get to share it with other people! Also my family is doing better
amazing analysis/theory, thank you for making it! it all makes so much more sense now when viewing sunny as transmasc
Thank you!
I've watched gameplays and played the game myself SO many times and I genuinely never noticed the long hair in the photo, I always thought it was Sunny based on his face and how similar the expression is to his other pictures so consider my mind blown lol. This was such a great video to watch and I can tell it had so much thought put into it and it's only helped solidify one of the first-ever theories I had made about Sunny which was him being somewhere under the transgender umbrella (especially with the whole mystery potion thing lol). Thanks for this analysis!! Again, it's very well made and now i have some more things to brainstorm about at 3 am 😅
eyyy, my footage spotted. Big Pog.
Just managed to P-rank a custom level in ULTRAKILL while watching this (took a while but I got it at around the 33 min. mark lmao). A lot of interesting points were brought up, the conclusion was wholesome, overall a great video essay.
this video made me so happy for some reason. idk, but i literally found it right after coming out to my mum as trans so it was kinda silly timing!! anyways, i love the video. it makes a lot of sense to me, and i feel like this should be a canon thing lolz :)
sorry if this literally makes no sense i rarely ever comment on videos but i just rly wanted to try and say how much i love this video and how happy it made me (without making a multiple paragraph long comment)!! :)
also sorry for commenting this long after the video came out i feel like it may be annoying-
Joly shizzles i thougt you were a big youtuber i didnt know you only had 300+ subs
I'm flattered at how many people thought I was a big yter [':
i have a little something to add witb the statement on 29:30 because, somewhere in black space 2 ((im 97% sure)) sunny and mari's mum is comforting sunny, im guessing after mari's death. she says something about how "we're ((her and the father)) here/going to protect you" similar to what basil says. im guessing this is because sunny might of told them what happened? i havent looked too far into it though and it is just a theory!!
anyway, i loved this video and headcannon so much thank you for taking time to make this 🙏🙏🙏
Im so sorry for all these genuinely transphobic comments, I adore this video as someone who is VERYY trans masc and yess TRANS SUNNYYYYYY GGRGRGRGRGGRGRG❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Again i ADOREE THISSSSSSSS and dont let the transphobess get 2 ya :o33
THANK YOUUUUUU
damn, I somehow relate to Sunny even more now
In a closet, still.
Omori's last sections had me full in tears and all my fears and guilts weee resting in my chest.
... It's going to yake me some time to be able to watch this video.
You are so amazing and this is such a unique take!
i've seen an another deep dive into BS 2 (can give a link if you're interested) and there the "faces of omori" room was called something like "the heart of darkness". This, along with the fact that it is, as far as i remember, located in the Red Maze, which is a part of the Red Space (Omori's personal domain, as color red has been shown to represent repression on a number of occasions throughout the game), brings me to an idea that perhaps it can be indeed called the "heart" of Omori as an entity and, therefore, him being able to use the potion here kinda makes sense because it does seem fitting for a place that is connected to the concepts of both identity and repression
also, the abyss is still technically underwater, as you access it through going into the dark on the neverending underwater road, so that might also explain the use of the potion here
This Is Awesome!!
Man, this view of Sunny being either transmasc or misogynistic is wild to think about.
Just to give some slight commentary, I'd like to offer an alternative explanation as to why Headspace treats its major female characters so poorly. In my opinion, it's possible to view this as an extension of Sunny's complicated feelings towards Mari. I could write an essay on how Sweetheart represents all the aspects Sunny hated about his sister (her toxic positivity, perfectionism, controlling behavior) and we know that Mari was one of Sunny's largest feminine influences in his childhood. Because of this, I'd like to suggest that Headspace treats these female bosses so poorly as a form of repression. These bosses are unintentional reminders of the parts of Mari Sunny doesn't want to remember, the parts that led to their fight. As such, like anything in Headspace that serves as too much of a reminder, it is removed in one way or another. As to why their are no positive major female characters, I would suggest that Sunny refusing to acknowledge Mari's negative traits in regards to her has led to them popping up in virtually every female character he tries to create, in a similar way to how repressing Something makes it leak through the cracks to Headspace. Anyway, I still think your point works, but I wanted to suggest this as an alternative.
That's a pretty good interpretation and I gotta say I do like that idea. It crossed my mind when writing the script, but I guess I just didn't dig too deep into it. Thanks for your comment!
@@lavenderorchard Thanks so much! I loved this video and am always glad to see new interpretations and perspectives on Omori!
Something I really like about Omori is the ambiguity of some of his characters. I feel that it is a game made on purpose to make it easier for anyone to identify with it.
And yet, thinking about this video and the reading you have done, has made me realize that there are still things that I have not discovered about Omori. Small details that, yes, may be a little ambiguous, but they can also shape the way we interpret the game.
It's really nice to know that a trans reading of Sunny can be done. You've really encouraged me to want to play Omori again. Perhaps, I too can see a clearer reflection of my feelings in the game.
(sorry for using google translate :p)
I'm really happy to hear that! I really love the ambiguous nature of Omori too because it allows the community to create virtually infinite interpretations which is super cool
I'm saying around a 35% liklyhood of this being true. also apparently youtube auto deletes a comment with the words mhi (this is shortened form another phrase) and personally i think they should do something similar to deltarune this time with another character.
this is comming from a trans girl btw
22:38 likly unintended
Still going to put a pin in this for future reference if I ever decide to come up with an alternative theory
I just love transfem Sunny. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
super cool video :3
I always interpreted the women bosses being mean to be the last image of Mari, in a sense.
The last point that Sunny interacted with Mari, she was angry and not exactly considering Sunny's own feelings to the concert, so seeing this was quite interesting to hear!!
this was great! i hadn't thought of a lot of these points and they were super interesting to have explained. by the way, i had a random thought while watching this. you know how sunny's pretty short and small, considering he's been staying inside for four years and is also probably malnourished? what if: he's also on puberty blockers for being transmasc, and this is a factor in his small stature???
Thank you! That's not a bad interpretation
as a burger
I can't get away from kel, I'm currently hiding and someone please call the police, I don't wanna get eaten
Same 😭
nice video.
Thanks!
Before anybody calls me transphobic or anything stupid like that, i am not saying you can't have headcanons, but they're called headcanons, not change the canon. What I'm about to say is just basic facts that for some reason people don't want to look at. You can have alternate universes where these scenarios happen, but don't be surprised when people don't agree with you that Sunny is trans. I also respect trans people for who they are and who they aspire to become in the future. I am simply doing a critique of this video because there are lots of issues I've noticed.
I'm just gonna say it, we saw him as a baby. We saw him literally as a young child too. There was no shot he transitioned between then. Along with that, if it even relatively mattered to the story, I think Omocat would've included something about it.
The mystery potion is also a bad argument for 2 reasons:
1 - It's only true purpose is to be a nod to the fact that you used to be able to choose Sunny's gender.
2 - If you really wanted to take a deep dive into it, it makes more sense to assume that it's just something that crossed his mind rather than stretching to this extreme. It's normal to have thoughts like "What if i was a girl? What if I was a boy?" it doesn't mean you're trans..
Saying that Mari in the comic book photo is actually Sunny is a HUGE stretch. The clothes don't align with Sunny's style of wear at the time, which was just a t-shirt and some shorts, simple stuff. Also, Sunny's iconic ahoge isn't visible in that picture, even though at that angle, it would be. Along with that, we saw pictures of Sunny being male dated before that picture? E.G: Basil's birthday photo of him, dated 2/18, is placed before the comic book photo, which was dated 8/18. It simply doesn't line up.
As for the bosses, there are plenty of side characters that are female that are just fine. Po for example, the lady that Kel compliments for being tall. The playground characters, and many others. You can't just choose the bosses and not the side characters to analyze. Also, you cannot say that they fully die on the true route just because Sunny doesn't get far enough into the dream to see them alive. Hell, Perfectheart isn't even looking down on you, where did you get that from?? She just doesn't want you hurt cause she is aware what she could be capable of, but she is unaware what you are capable of. It's always good to warn people, you know.
Another thing about the mystery potion, when you use it, you can go into the girl's bathroom. Inside, it looks nothing like a real girl's bathroom, showing that Sunny has never really been in one. Along with that, if Sunny didn't want to be a girl, then why would the mirror make him look "especially flattering" in it.
Sunny's dad not knowing about the reality behind Mari's death would be wild.. Cause he literally had to cut down the tree and probably take her hanging body off of it, he would see there were brusies and scratches on it, meaning something else happened. It's also likely that Sunny told his parents, seeing as he's a literal child, not knowing what to do in a situation like this. They likely taught in schools that if something goes wrong you tell a trusted adult. It makes far more sense than his dad disowning him for gender. It's either that or he didn't want to be involved with the family anymore after his probably favorite child died. If you pay attention, the dad seems like a strict authoritarian, not wanting Mari to be dating just yet. He might be where Mari got her perfectionism from too. She was likely his favorite child, and once she's gone, he didn't want to be part of the family, so he chopped down the tree and left. Keep in mind as well, this is an adult man, who can see things that are hidden far better than a 12 yr old can hide them.
I wouldn't overthink the Herosaurus thing too much, to me it quite literally just seems like a silly joke Sunny thought of in his head when he was young and clung onto. It's just meant to be a silly gag for shits and giggles.
In MY conclusion, the evidence presented here today is a little flimsy, and you stretched it a little too far. Now again, you can have your beliefs, and I have mine, that's a-ok. Just don't start trying to say it's almost a definite truth that he is, as theres many holes in it. Thanks for spending the time to read, have a good rest of your day/night.
this>>>>>>>
@@conedtraffic Sily !!
That's what I believe too
Dude, there’s a whole section that’s about how it’s completely fine if you don’t see sunny as trans anything, it’s just seeing the character through a trans lens, no one is forcing anything.
THIS IS SO COOL…. i really really like this reading of the text + just the analysis that went into it and what perspectives you can gain. idumno its really neat
I feel like it makes sense for Sunny to be trans, Sunny is a both gendered name, and it would make sense for him to start out as a girl at birth but started out early as a guy or smh... but I'm not so sure about Omori. Omori sounds more like a male name, so Omori must have been created during Sunny's male mindset. It seems like Sunny has told his friends about it at some point because all his friends call him by the pronouns "he/him" and they know he doesn't like being alone, I feel like that loneliness comes from his (made-up) fear of being a girl or smh. I do feel like i'm saying nonsense, and I think that is the point.
Kinda grasping at straws here man
I think sunny was fucked in the head more than having a crush on kel, and he was fucked in the head by the accident so idk that's my take he likes being around kel, because kel is his light in dark and kel's personality shows that.
Because kel is his friend and the game kinda shows that friendship is important.
But in general I don't think sunny is trans but if you think so, go on ahead.
I agree with that. I’m pretty sure Sunny saw Kel more as a brother, because in the Hikikiomori route, Kel said something about Omori being his “honorary brother”.
@@chlovelon yeah.
@@chlovelon and I think, "you are not my son" line happens because the dad knows what sunny did. So the dad left and hates sunny that's my take.
@@SansINess53 I agree
Woah. I never thought of it that way. Jesus this is a beautiful take. You made amazing points and i love this theory lol good work :))
Trans girl here! I would be interested in a trans fe- analysis too lol
I haven't played O-ori yet but I will one day!
I’m a trans boy and this was pretty epic to watch but I wanted to say about the Omori faces room where you can drink the potion, obviously Omori’s faces doesn’t change, another thing that could add to Sunny seeing himself as a boy, since It’s strange a room in Blackspace that obscure can have the mystery potion be used in it
18:31 It's clearly MARI's face that we see here
as a transfem, i totally buy the transmasc interpretation.
As a trans person who kins for sunny I loved this video sm
As a transmasc the Abbi part always made me feel weird, what is she exactly? and why is it there?
Since we meet Abbi on the Hikikomori route we immediately enter into combat, without even knowing who she is or why we fight and even if we forgive her, she will always be trapped in the deepest part, right next to the black space.
Thanks to this video I just realized why it seemed so strange to me. What if it's represented like "a past self" ? a past self that Sunny desperately seeks to hide and retain, that he wishes to forget, or at least that's the impression I get
This is such a good analysis!! I really liked the video nerdyarty made, and this is a great response! In omori's sketchbook the drawing were he sits in the bathtub hangs his clothing on a line and a bra hangs with it too!? I thought that was something that goes with this video!!!
Thank you! Also that's a great point that I totally forgot about! Especially since it's only up there with Omori's other clothes and none of Mari's it definitely seems like that bra belongs to him- Thanks for pointing it out [:
@lavenderorchard yes! I was thinking so too. I once saw someone else on pintrest saying it was mari's but that doesn't make sense at all lol
@@ZellixGRRXD Yeah it doesn't really make sense since there's a distinct lack of her clothes plus she's not even the one taking that bath lol. What's also pretty interesting is that in the White Space sketchbook, it's the only piece of clothing that's bright red which intentionally draws attention to it and makes it feel out of place amongst the other clothes
uh oh
What if the StoryTeller was in Omori as a character who stands both with and against the bosses in Omori?
How do I relate this hard with this Sunny despite considering myself transfem? Meh, I'll continue to go down. So far, I relate with his passivity, and his preference for the other gender, and a lot of the things here could just be flipped around with femininity and it would all fit together well, except for Omori's Misogyny. I've discovered stuff that might make Sunny question his transmasc identity just like I've questioned my transfem identity, and I'm not sure what that would mean for the two of us, but I know it cannot mean anything good. I would definitely drive Sunny insane just by my mere presence within his Headspace.
I also hope that you and your family are all doing well after the Tornado, and I want to send my condolences for what happened and I hope that the recovery process after what happened will go better.
I'm also glad for that message about acceptance, but I'm not even sure what is even behind my own identity. I've lived so long as someone who is effectively identity-less and has always incorporated or taken others' identities and attempted to both incorporate and understand them my whole life that I have barely been able to solidly give myself an identity that both fits and feels like me. I'll probably never have one, as that ship feels like it has sailed a long time ago with me being given so many opportunities to have gotten on that ship that now it feels like what is even the point anymore? Sure, I could just take some chances and see what happens, but how do I even organize and set boundaries for that to happen in the first place? How do I even make the time to do so? Meh, I guess I'll do it someday.
I HAVE SUDDEN MOTIVATION TO MAKE MORE STUFF OF MY TRANSFEM SUNNY AU
so... not trying to be that guy... but the final duet shows Sunny as a baby and Sunny growing up very much as a boy...
i get that this is simply another way to look at Sunny as a character, but if it's 100% undeniably not true, then it doesn't make for a very good topic of discussion. not trying to be rude, though.
He could still be transfem
Im so confused honestly, Sunny's been a boy from the beginning 😭
Agreed, I understand that this is just supposed to be a different fun way to interpret Sunny’s character and I don’t necessarily have any problem with that, but I don’t really see the point in doing so if what you’re saying is able to be quickly and blatantly disproven by what is arguably the most memorable and important scene in the game
@@SolarOddity143 yea
Yes
I always thought SUNNY was Gender Fluid honestly, cool video though!
i kinda feel like sunny is 12 and that this is the 2000s where this kinda stuff was small? Playing devils advocate here but i feel like there's an important reason as to why sunny is a male, they would've had a female version otherwise idk just feels like it messes with the narrative a lil ig.
2:19 sorry friend but I think you are a bit too late
Transmasc sunny just doesn’t make sense. We see sunny grow up as a boy from birth. Sunny hasn’t left the house in years. They wouldn’t even have access to Hrt. If sunny is trans they haven’t transitioned yet.
i feel like your just projecting yourself onto them. I’m gonna edit this later with a full explanation.
My point exactly, seems like they're stretching to relate more to sunny.
2:26
“And hey it’s, also pride month!“
LETS GOOOO, PRIDE IN JUNE AND JULY 🌈 🏳️🌈 🏳️🌈 🌈
On an, unrelated note. Whilst this theory does have a lot of good evidence too it! I’m wondering if you have anything regarding what we see in the “Final Duet” scene, as in there Sunny seems to be a from a young age, and growing up stays that way.
Well, this video isn't a theory video, it's just saying that "Hey these certain things about Sunny seem kinda trans when you piece them together-". I've seen a few comments saying that the Final Duet montage is a "hole" in my "theory", but there isn't a theory to poke holes in. Interpretations of the text are just a matter of perspective and I don't think there are any "wrong perspectives". It's just a way of viewing the source material. If you'd like to approach this idea as a theory then go ahead
If I want to simplify sunny then I can just say he is just emotionally fucked, and is broken.
wahr
Just dont tell my dad he'd lose his shit.
Also i still headcanon sunny as enby and aroace so i can relate to him, thats all.
new headcanon.... for me....
Lol
I don’t want to take away from your representation so ignore this comment because it has a bit of a hole in the theory! I think finding representation in unexpected places is totally fine even if I don’t always agree! Here goes though, the parts later on like the you are not my son to me makes less sense because we see sunny baby pictures and they still look like sunny older, sure that can maybe be a bowl cut or something but even his clothes seem neutral compared to mari’s purple which is more traditionally feminine.
i REALLY don't see it. Definitely bi or more likely gay (im just making this up) Basil asked him out or kissed him then apologizes now Sunny REALLY trying to outrun his feelings for him --outrunning something that intense get the same result. but not anything that would suggest he wants to be a girl, andro, or fluid. mystery potion more like an easter egg put into the game. Entire game is more about him dealing with extreme guilt and being unable to face reality.
Yeah, I could see the bi thing, but trans is reaching
Respectfuly, i think this misses the point, and makes the character of Sunny way too diluted. Omori is obviously a game about guilt, depression, intrusive thoughts, coming of age... Obviously trans people live through this, but you could also say that ANYONE can live through it.
I do believe that beeing gay or bi is relevant, since this is something that brings inner struggle towards his friends, who are the most important part about Omori, since we know that Sunny needs their help to get better.
Beeing trans is not something that is needed in the story, therefore, he shouldn't be. Character traits need to be pertinent, that's just good writing, and Omori is a display of EXCELENT writing.
Everything you point towards in your video can be seen as something way more fitting:
Mania
Sunny is manic, he's gonne beyound depression, he's always on edge IRL (Look at nightmari, the way that he sees the interaction of answering the door, the infinite stairways, the shadow on the mirror, this isn't just depression, it's extreme fear and trauma).
I don't think trans characters shouldn't exist, i just think that pointing towards characters that don't need to be trans and calling them trans by nitpicking circumstential evidences is a disservice towards storytelling.
Hey, I get your point, but I feel like you're missing the point of this video, too. It's presenting a different lens to view this game and Sunny's journey at - not stating that Sunny is canonically & has to be transgender. It's simply a different reading of canon text. While Sunny being transgender would not change much about the story, this isn't OMOCAT and the writers adding a new additional element to the already grand story, this is a consumer of the story interpreting a few moments in canon into a slightly different narrative.
There's a difference between an author telling you what canon is and a consumer telling you about their interpretation of the work.
Sunny doesn't have to be trans, he doesn't have to be queer. But if you're looking for some other people's different readings of some text or subtext that the author didn't even necessarily intend, you might find that the story has some fun angles to be played with that you never even thought about.
Every text has two authors - the actual author and the reader. By having someone present their reading of a character as queer, the text itself doesn't change. And you can disagree with this reading. That's absolutely fine - your reading of the story sees Sunny as cisgender but troubled mentally, and not trans. But you don't get to call this a 'disservice to storytelling' when this is simply a different interpretation.
So being bi brings inner struggle towards his friends therefore its relevant, but somehow being trans doesn't?
This video was just made to add cool perspective, I personally dont think Omocat could handle this topic in a good way tbh, but it seems like youre making trans expierences into these shallow thing, that cant correlate into anything bigger.
Theres literally so much you can say about being trans and expierencing guilt, intrusive thoughtd and depression.
Also this video doesnt say that sunny is for sure trans, it just showcases the possibilities of how that could be explored.
@@camotty As i said: you CAN tell a story about the traumas of a trans person, that's not the point. The point is that every different trait a character has, be it beeing gay, bi, a homophobe, trans, transphobic, man or woman, these traits should be explored, not implied. This is not really a matter of opinion, it's a rule of storytelling, if it's not useful, then it shouldn't be there (Of course "rules" of art are highly subjective, but Omori seems to follow them).
I'm not making beeing trans something shallow, i'm saying the exact oposite: Beeing trans is a complex and nuanced situation, so it shouldn't be something diluted in a story that has so many different heavy topics such as depression, suicide, fratricide, isolation... The key word here is DILUTED, not shallow. I understand that the video is not saying sunny is trans for sure, and i'm also not saying that sunny isn't trans for sure, this should be a healthy and mature debate where people can disagree with the message of the video.
@@HanSoled199I agree that everyone should stay respectful, but, again, respectfully, you called it a 'disservice to storytelling' first. That's just not true, because, again, this video essayist did not write OMORI. You are approaching the rules of storytelling from the writer's viewpoint.
Many people saw themselves in, say, Undertale's subtext of growing up or even growing up queer or mentally ill despite the game not explicitly addressing it. In that case, people would also show a few lines and, in your words 'nitpicking evidence'.
I understand your frustration and need to reinforce your admittedly heavily text-implied reading of the text, though I don't see why Sunny being mentally ill would exclude a trans reading of the story. If he were explicitly just written as trans with maybe 3 or 4 lines confirming it, yeah, I'd be pretty disappointed too. But we're still in subtext territory and an interpretation like this ultimately doesn't hurt anyone and it won't change the text, neither will it alter the rules of storytelling, as it's not the actual writers blankly stating that Sunny is trans.
@@graegrape Again, i'm not saying you can't have this interpretation, i'm just laying my points to show why i disagree with your viewpoint. We don't need to agree, and we don't necessarily need to convince each other. One of the best things about art is it's subjective, so we can talk about it, debate it, disagree with each other and even find some common grounds.
You can view the story however way you want, as can i, and we can just talk about it for the sake of talking.
:,)
this is one of the times i’d say i don’t respect someone’s omori headcanon but i mean do whatever the fuck you want
anyways, this video is nitpicking and literally gets most things wrong, nobody in headspace does die, i don’t know what you’re trying to say about the bosses segment, but that entire segment is literally almost all wrong
Yeah, I'm 100% trans supportive, but this is twisting the narrative a ton
not gonna watch something unrelated to the game
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Okay, let's do this
I don’t care what gender a person is and I don’t care about anything related to gender reassignment. Yes, I will be surprised if I find out that a person I know did this, but I don’t take it that bad
But...why add a non-characteristic trait to the characters?
At least I see this video as if they are trying to show us Sunny as a trans, but... this is stupid.
Everything about the mystical potion is cutting off the thoughts of children who think what would happen if I were of a different gender. This thought is completely natural and does not reflect a real desire to change gender. Just an idea along the lines of “what if I weren’t there? What if someone dear to me died?” All of this kind of thoughts, but not in a negative way, but just out of interest
And about the fact that Sunny perceives female images negatively... it’s made up out of thin air
Perfect heart, robo heart, slime heart, they all seem non-negative to Sunny
Marie and Aubrey are also quite positive images in his head
Bluegirl, although strange, clearly has a bunch of other intropriations
For example, the image of sad Aubrey? Seriously, taking into account the fact that he often listened to her, it could have imprinted her crying in his head, and the black cosmos itself distorted this by its own existence. Why doesn't she want to talk?
Let's say that Aubrey had a particularly bad period and Sunny remembered it
Or does he himself think that Sunny has let her down so much that he is now not worthy to talk to her
and it is obvious that Sunny's father disowned his son for killing Marie
It’s stupid to weave into such an important fact for the story (which means both parents of Sunny’s family KNEW that he killed Marie) the idea of trances
Sorry if this is all rude, but I just don’t understand the meaning of such theories
Sunny being trans doesn't matter to the story, so it's too weird an idea for me.
i would honestly have to agree with this comment. i think that yes, a lot of the facets of the game do have large amounts of symbolism behind them. but Omocat is not God... not every little thing that is implemented in the game has to have mountains upon mountains of foreshadowing or implications. i think the point about female images being perceived negatively is either looking into simple gameplay decisions too hard, coincidences, or there are other ways to view said characters. this point would be like me making a 20 minute video on how the murdering of the four sprout moles for the show tickets or how the trees around basil's house withering is actually portraying sunny's disgust of nature and desire to industrialize the world... either it's not intended to be looked into that deeply, symbolizing something else, or has other ways to interpret it.
nothing hateful about this, obviously. i just enjoy discussing the game with people in any way.
@@sansgaming607 Agree
But it’s trivial to look for meaning where there is none, for me it looks like the dumbest subject of analysis
Let’s say I have the same option with blugirl voiced in the video. Which sounds better? Is this part of Sunny being Trance, or is it a possible reflection of how Sunny remembers moments when he can't help someone he cares about? (Aubrey)
You could say that both are the same, but let's be honest, my version sounds MUCH more meaningful, doesn't it?
I'm not particularly proud, but in the analysis of this I ate the dog. As for me, it’s better not to look for anything related to themes of different genders or politics in games, but it’s better to address all the details to the characters
It's better that Sunny was a boy who is very kind and so selfless that the memory of the fact that he could not cheer up Aubrey and that she did not want to talk to him became for him something equal to hellMari in terms of trauma.
Than the fact that he is Trans.
Gender and even political beliefs do not affect the plot of games or anything else (if the work was not originally dedicated to this). But character influences. And when we can learn little directly, such an analysis is good.
sorry if I sound too angry or arrogant
oh yeah also... the final duet scene shows Sunny very much as a boy when he was born... so...
@@sansgaming607 YES
Such moments also cast doubt on the view of him as a trans
@@Tv-qu8db oh sorry, i think my reply might've seemed like i disagreed with a couple things you said. i don't disagree with anything you said, i think it's all spot-on. i was just saying "not every little thing that is implemented has to have mountains upon mountains of foreshadowing" as a reference to some arguments that certain people make about the game. everything that you've said i agree with though 👍
in my opinion headcannoning omori characters as queer or shipping them is just... weird. they're children. they are all children.
Wait huh? I thought people were shipping the present day Faraway versions of the characters, all of which are minors (with the exception of Hero, who’s approximately 19.), then again, the only side I’ve seen of the Omori fandom is on VRChat and Roblox, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
(Not trying to deny people doing those things, just wanted to make that clear.)
Many kids around 16 do actually have relationships/crushes, and thus possibly queer. I don’t think people ship the younger versions of them.
I don't really like the shipping either, but children can be queer??
@@Mushie_lol im aware. i mean trans, thats quite weird for children. children can definitely figure out themselves! but, js saying that when sunnys around 13, eh just kind.... creeps me out. though most omori fans from what i've seen are a bit.... SILLY😊😊😊😊😊😊😃😃😃😃😃😃. in a better way to say, yalls community is edps💀💀
@@defnotanerdbro yeah, I agree most of the community is terrible. But I don’t see how headcannoning a kid to be trans in a video game is weird, unless they’re doing it for sketchy reasons.
But Sunny is a guy
Massive stretch, your month is over, so chill on all these labels.
A person with THAT username has no room to talk buddy.
@@peppysoda7594 Forgive me peppy.
look, if I'm gonna be honest, I do still get rubbed slightly the wrong way by stuff like this. NOT the idea of analyzing these games under the queer lenses, but rather the idea that some people think of these things as guarenteed just because certain cherry-picked lines happen to match up with their own experiences. I don't like that game-theory-like style of analyzing all too much anymore.
Of course, this video clearly disclaims it is not like that (and OP would benefit greatly from knowing that) but even still, for whatever reason, it bothers me. My own thing to work on, I guess?
Just don't pay me much attention and keep doing what you're doing, lavender.
@squiddu Spot on, but I was fully just being hateful with my comment, though.
@@loliboi6554 LMAO