The Difference Between Good And Bad Isekai - An Analysis
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Well, it's been near 4 years since I made this video, and how poorly/well this has aged. Shield Hero really took a turn for the worse, but fear not my friends, because Mashoku Tensei is here to save the genre, please go stream Masoku Tensei, it's really a fantastic show :>
Shield Hero was never anything special, since episode 4 of season 1 it just became more and more generic, not to mention Naofumi's loli harem and the idea that slavery is fine
There are many isekai that have an interesting premise but many/most of them devolve. Some after a few episodes, some after a season or a few. Even Mushoku Tensei devolves IMO. It starts strong but eventually ends the same. Its redeeming quality being that it may have been the first one to do so and that originality (being the first) somewhat saves it. I think that it's only a matter of time until Mushoku Tensei ends up as Shield Hero.
We gonna get an isekai in an isekai soon
Spoilers
Plus the source light novel is even more aware with the fact that many of the antagonists are generic isekai protagonists with getting some power from a "god"
Sao still better
Just give up friend! Many of these's Anime I found are better off in Manga form and never should have gotten an anime! So far only Konosuba to me is the best in Manga AND Anime form! (And maybe Bookworm, but I'm getting into the Manga right now after watching the anime full along with the LN to see how much was changed or ironed out! Somethings I don't mind, but critical things I DO mind!) I long guessed the Anime would iron important shit, character's, lore, ETC out in the WORSE way for Shield hero to show off in later seasons (thank god enough chapters for the manga came out before they put a halt to it's pace....TOO Bad Masoku Tensei is getting this treatment now :( God I'm starting to HATE anime!) Frankly it's the movie version of Hunger Games all over again where the first movie ironed out alot shit for time that the sequels had to put back in in a weird noticeable fashion! This is why I dislike this format (Movie, Tv Show, Anime, ETC) where because they don't know if they are making a sequel/new season, they try to cram too much shit into one season and take out shit that will bite them in the ass later! (Hence why I like Manga even more)
Only thing anime does justice for is the combat parts of a series, but I will always be a manga/WN/LN man cause at least with the Manga, you'll only get 25% or less content from the LN/WN changed or removed! While Anime they usually "go too fucking far" that there's BARELY ANY MEAT! Or in Shield Hero they ruin specific points for "Cool factor or whatever!" Also FUCK you "said sarcastically" ShreN, and lets be real....you can say ALOT of Isekai especially the great ones can be accused of the "Slavery is fine" part....but the BAD ones are the ones that REALLY go into it!
Smart phone’s concept could have worked if they didn’t make the main character overpowered, they could have had him like learn martial arts, learn how to sword fight, making stuff like Molotov cocktails or traps to fight monsters. It would be like dr.stone/ascendence of a bookworm where the protagonist is weak but they use the vast knowledge they’ve got to solve problems.
Who would've thought that google can make you defeat the most powerful monster.
The problem with smartphone is the anime doesn't accurately or remotely reflect or even touch on what the overarching story is really about...not to say he's wrong in his analysis
He could have had to google how to make a printing press
Agreed, if he had been weak but able to use the fact that his smart phone gave him access to all the knowledge on the internet to win/be OP via knowledge combined with some hard work and dirty tricks? That would have been a good series.
I just thought of an idea for a story where the main character isn't the person who was isekaid, and is just a side character. At first, they are a one tone character and a one tone protagonist. Eventually, they get their own goals and ideals, and try to break away from the main character to follow them. However, the main character doesn't want this. THEY are the main character, THEY always get their way. The "Hero" antagonizes and gaslights the true MC, and the MC tries to brake away
I dunno if its any good just an idea i had
If given proper writing then yes I definitely would be interested
Just has to be written properly or else it becomes another x character leaves/ gets kicked out of hero party and is actually the strongest out of everyone. So everyone decides to ditch the hero to join the MC basically turning the hero's story into the MC's story
@@phantomlord77 I sorta am interested in the idea of there being two isekai protagonists, 1st protagonist is the supposed generic hero and then 2nd protagonist is the unrealistic Side character. Both of them and 5 were isekai'd to another world on the "good side" to "be the bane of the 7 deadly sins", however due to a conflict, the group splits into two teams/two different storylines. One defending the "evil" team. And one defending the "good" team. Every now and then, their storylines would interact, either for the good or for the bad.
Overtime in this supposed Anime, the two sides would eventually realize their own faults ( not everything revolves around them: redemption arc ), try to mend their mistakes ( ex: regret making rash decisions ), discover themselves ( their value isn't just "love interest" ), and salvage their friendships to destroy a common enemy ( harmonization and unity ). The common enemy wasn't the "evil" side nor the "good" side, the common enemy was the goddess who brought them into the isekai world. The motive that the goddess had for bringing them into the isekai world was because she was bored. She needed amusement. She wanted to cause a war by making the two kingdoms in that world to war over the heroes over the mindset "they'll help us destroy the horrible kingdom next to us".
I know this sounds super generic. Its not the best writing since I rushed through the typing. And there's probably a boring anime like it. I just wanted to dive into this idea for a moment, and I can't type down every idea I had for this supposed isekai world. Also I apologize for it being super long. Hope you have a good day though!
@@Calt_Clerity That does sound interesting. I like the concept of there being two groups because so many times you only get the protag POV and usually paint anyone who opposes them as bad like Slime or Spider. Until the other characters become relevant, but with that you could have the same situation handle from two sides and both having a point.
Maybe have characters shift allignments and motivations overtime. The problem I have with most Isekais/ fantasy stories is hero is always right no matter what. When the hero can commit genocide and it's the right thing to do I basically give up on a story
The Executioner and Her Way of Life tho it was the MC who gaslighted the isekaied guy
Random idea: A person is tasked to drive Truck kun/ the truck that runs over most isekai protagonists.
That is a Manga.
@@michael12345699 sauce?
@@postsingluarity6159 Isekai transporter.
@@aeso3555 wait this exists? I had already developed a bunch of story bit for this exact idea thinking it would be original :'(
@@spyro2002 Yeah, it's been around for a while. But hey, it's fiction, you can still try writing your ideas if you want. A genre doesn't exist with just one work.
my 2 favorite anime of all time
Re:Zero and Konosuba
Same
And both of those shows are stuck at season 2 with none of them having any season 3 release dates... *sigh*
At least both of those are confirmed to have season 3 and you can read the Light Novels in the meantime.
@@eragons1894 Season 3 of Re:zero is confirmed
@@lehyplay6961 Yup, i know, i watched it getting announced live.
Couldn't be any happier! Still though, thanks for the reminder.
@@eragons1894 konosuba is also having a s3 in 2024 cant wait for the best of the isekai anime to come back🥰
I'm starting an isekai web novel. I picked it because I thought i could manage that easier if i was stuck as it was my first try. I find myself here watching these videos so i don't do badly or at least not to badly >< thanks for the analysis.
Same
well so far he has no harem. There are some who have bluntly said "oh no way." in essence.
How's that going?
@@loganmitchell9254 pretty good actually. its four novels long so far. ive only missed one update due to a funeral and while im not famous im getting a steady flow of readers even got a few on discord channel i made.
@@otbaht Where can I read it?
I personally never thought of Naofumi and Raphtalia as a couple, from the beginning I thought they’d have some sort of big brother little sister relationship.
Father zone for me
I'm pretty sure Raphtalia likes Naofumi but Naofumi sees her as a daughter
Well, after 10 years, things gonna change, and I guess if you read that much, the change is subtle, so by that time it's acceptable.
The main reason being, Raphthalia stopped acting like a child after the S1E4 palace scene (and no, she doesn't turn into a child in front of Naofumi in S2, LN & Manga at least, and also she doesn't act as a child but an adult).
Whatever, as a WN reader, their relationship is agreeable, and a better thing is that Naofumi doesn't have a Harem, at least for now...
@@srijangdas4572 Harem, dude he has 3 wives!?
@@abrahamwijaya6631 okay, you are outdated with the novel.
The original WN, Naofumi had 3 wives, Raph, Melty, as well as Sadeena, and apart from a harem, he literally became a god, and overall the story is dog shit. That story was scraped, as ridiculous stuff happened in it and it was just bad writing, in the LN, it will not be a harem for sure. Why? First of all, Melty already has a love interest (no SPOILERs for now), and Sadeena will mostly be rejected by Naofumi, so it will not be a harem.
If you read the LN, you will see that by the ending 4-5 volumes, writer went full GENERIC ISEKAI mode, and fans were pissed off by that, well, the Spear Hero spin off was great, but Malty as a god and main Villain, bad writing...
My favorite isekais are those that have a reason to have the protag come from a modern world
Like with Ascendance of a Bookworm, she's a... well... bookworm who's endlessly obsessed with reading and she's reincarnated into a world where books are so expensive to produce, onl nobles can afford to biy them. Her mother obsessively taught her arts and crafts. It's a story of capitalism where Myne invents things and progresses the technology of her new little world
Wow what the heck this is an amazing first video. your delivery, editing, and quality of footage is super slick and well done. Looks like an amazing start.
Thank you so much :)
Re:Zero is probably one of the best animes if ALL of it gets adapted it will be one of the best anime
Lol nope, that is only a valid point if you are 14 and have seen like 15 anime
Re zero is justifiable and has alot more sense because its not echii crap and realistic even though subaru cries alot in the anime because of multiple death traumas
@@otto_jk I've watched 120 anime
@@otto_jk for now Geass and deathnote are my top but if the lns of re zero get adapted it could change even if not Subaru is the greatest mc imo
Well there's so much different type of anime comparing them is useless. You can't just call one best of all
It’s such a shame, the character designs in that iPhone Iseki are all really cute. Each girl kind of seems like she was taken out of her own story to hangout out with that flashy dude.
An interesting story idea would be if an harem MC suddenly returned back to his world, and his harem had to deal with the fall out of his departure
Most of that issue resolve by the Harem is coming home with him. *Case closed*
@@abrahamwijaya6631 But EVERYONE going with the MC into that world would be... Shallow and too easy?
If the Harem protag really did leave, I would like to go through the possibilities of what the harem characters would do? Would they move on? Would they not let go? Would they study to figure out a way to get to the MC? Would they get together with another Harem member? Would they go through a deep depression? Would they carry on for them?
@@Calt_Clerity actually your answer is happened in an anime i forgot the title. But the Harem doesn't get to worried since the MC is coming back with his childhood friend (and it's not dogs day!)
@@abrahamwijaya6631 oohhh I see :0
I would be more interested to see the MC's response, since typically they start off as nobody in their own world and suddenly become sex gods in their new world. It would be fun to see how they deal with the sudden return to getting no girls at all
dude this is a well done first video.
Thanks man :>
Been working on a story for over a year and still trying to ensure the worldbuilding(s) are sensible and reasonable, and thus may very well be considered an isekai since it also involves another world/dimension. Watching videos like these really helps me to weigh my options carefully when it comes to the characters themselves, so, while I don't think I'll be actually writing it soon (as in publishing it), I hope it doesn't turn into a project I have to rush through and will feel comfortable to write about for whenever I feel that the story is prepared enough to go. Even though this video is still rather old, it still has helped me to take note of some things. So thank you! I'll do my best to make it to the best of my ability.
When it comes to Isekai talk everyone forgets about Youjo Senki 😭
RIP Youjo Senki & Drifters
@@motherofallomelettes5380 I wouldn't call Driffter as an Isekai
it's good anime though
There’s some new isekais recently where the protagonist struggle instead of having it easy such as MUSHOKU TENSEI: ISEKAI ITTARA HONKI DASU and Yondome wa Iyana Shi Zokusei Majutsushi. You should check them out.
Isekai I would want to see:
Guy gets sucked into a alternate fantasy world, gathers a harem of female party members he never acts on, becomes a god hero, vanquishes the Dark Lord. And for his wish, he wishes to return to his world. And then the first episode starts. Our hero is absolutely miserable back in his own world, longing to escape back to the Isekai world but unable to do so. Eventually, he starts to believe it was some sort of psychotic break and moves on with his life.
Until members of his harem show up on his doorstep with news that the child of the Dark Lord has followed him to exact revenge. Shocked that their God Hero Paramour is just a “ordinary” guy and no longer has any super powers, they are more shocked at their own changes. Their skimpy armor is useless, cold, and chafes like a BITCH! Their magic is gone, they find that they can no longer move at super human speeds, nor can the punch through concrete. The elf is getting wrinkles, the sweet, caring priestess is losing her shit, the 110 pound warrior Princess is no longer a match for a 200 pound man, and just what the hell is a PERIOD!?
With no one else they can rely on, the “harem” must rely on their thoroughly less impressive “Hero” to survive in the real (devoid of magic) world. It would be a Anti-Isekai, Anti-Harem story.
Thank you, this feels like a professional analysis.
Not like (definitely)mother's basement, or sometimes digibro, Gigguk is hilarious, but also professional in parts relating to the jokes and humour(not my kind of humor, but some get me).
You earned a new sub.
One last time, as an new light novel or novel writer, this really helps me clear some stuff.
Although the prose is the hardest part.
Mother's Basement just literally roasts the creator through a video.
@@crackplatinum9883 sometimes it's deserved, like that one time ge roasted anime made by a cult
This is impressive for a first video! I'm excited for what you have to offer! You've got yourself a new sub~
Thank you!!!!
I'm in more of the camp of Alan Moore where bad shows like this can be the fertilizer for a creator to make something amazing. I think they all have their place in some way shape or form.
I was loosing interest in them a little while ago and so decided to try and write my own one, then a couple of good ones started cropping up again and I think the genre will be ok at least for a bit also still working on mine because world building is fun.
I found this video a while ago, but considering Shield Hero is out now I thought I'd comment. I find that I like parts of it but disdain other aspects. That being said, I get why other people might like it and it is so much better than Smartphone.
there are around 300 mangas right now tagged as isekai genre in Mangadex. most of them I consider "Tier 2" or even "Tier 3" mangas. Of course many of them have interesting aspects, but most I read because "eeeehh the good ones will have 1 chapter per month scanlated, so no other choice to fill in the gap..."
Does Isekai have a Harem? Red Flag
Does Isekai have no Harem? Go ahead
Does Isekai have a Harem but the MC isn't reincarnated as a Human look-a-like? WATCH THAT SHOW RIGHT NOW
lol
Most isekai tensei is like that now in manga not anime yet though
DOES THE ISEKAI HAVE NO HAREM AND THE MC ISN'T REINCARNATED AS A HUMAN LOOK-A-LIKE?
@@remediosdimaculangan2913 i'm spider so what?
@@remediosdimaculangan2913 spider is good then there's when the spider isn't on screen and it gets bad
What *I* don't understand is why an inventive, original fantasy world and a well-written story are mutually exclusive so often. We can have both it ain't hard. Why not a fantasy world that's advanced far beyond our own civilization, for example? The protagonist from our modern day ends up in a magical space age where titanic dragons fly through the void of space and where Elven space marines and battleships face off against Doom-style Demon legions. Wouldn't that be nifty?
They don't even need to be fantasy, Isekai can be set in any and every time period or location, but they keep beating the Undead horse.
I'd like to see a victorian Isekai, or maybe a kid gets cryo-stasis'd and wakes up in the future, or you know what would be really cool, Wild West Isekai (A final fantasy series tried to do this in the early 90s, but they never finished)
And of course I want interesting characters to react to that world in interesting ways. Speaking of the shield hero, one of the biggest things that ticked me off about it is how none of the heroes (idiots they may be) used none of their experiences to interact with the world. Ren is from the future, Itsuki pretty much comes from My Hero Academia, Motoyasu I don't know his deal. I can't reasonably believe that none of their experiences could have shaped their interactions in a reasonable way.
P.s. I'm pretty sure no one wants to be isekaid into 40k, but it'll be pretty cool to watch.
@@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 Agreed on all fronts. Good write up, thank you for putting this into words.
wheres the "An teenage who lives in magical middle age (and later his followers) was transported to modern age isekai in a year 2016 to 2025"
where is it
I think that’s because the audience wants a power fantasy. Real life sucks, but it can be fun to imagine being transported into another world.
@@thomasffrench3639 I won't deny that's true, it'd just be nice if said other world was a bit more inventive sometimes
My favorite Isekai are: welcome to demon academy Iruma Kun, Ascendance of a bookworm, the saint’s power is omnipotent, 12 kingdoms (just get through the first 6 episodes, I promise a ton of character development happens), dr stone, etc.
Also in a story where you reincarnate the ADULT protagonist into a baby/child my option is that you should avoid writing any romance into it until they grow up fully. It’s gross and not a great relationship dynamic. I just don’t want to see stories with that! Looking at you Mushoku Tensei!!! Shows like Ascendance of a bookworm do a amazing job with that though
I completely agree with what you're saying! Characters NEED to feel fleshed out and important, or else you don't care about them. BTW What's the music you're using here? It's really nice.
Looking forward to your future videos
;)
Nice video, I definitely got what you were saying. The only thing I would argue is that I think everything you said here can apply to anime as a whole. Maybe I'm nieve but I have a lot of faith that the good stuff will always outshine/overshadow the bad in the end, and that the people who will like isekai shows will find the good.
So pretty much, make the Isekai World the setting, not the plot itself. At least, that's what I'm getting from this video.
Haven't watched the video, so I'll state my opinion before watching, in my opinion, a bad Isekai fails to create a compelling and interesting world and have its characters interact with it. In my favourite Isekai: ascendance of a bookworm, a lot of te conflict of the story stems from the common sense of the main character clashing against the common sense of those around her, and the way she thinks makes people see her as a genius, a fool, a saint and cruel person all at the same time, the way she interacts with this new world means she either makes terrible blunders helps the people around her understand their world in a way they never thought possible, and I think that is what makes a good Isekai, and it's also a big part of great standard fantasy anime, the way the world works and how characters work around it will always be the most interesting part for me.
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Damn you need views. I love your video!
Tanya anime ending song bangs HARD AS FUCK THO
log horizon is interesting because it gets involved in like... innerworld politics and economics its super funky.
We need an isekai where we don't have a main character being transported into another world, but rather an entire friend group of very different individuals being transported together.
I'm writing an Isekai where the MC isn't the only person isekaid, in fact, one of the two gods who created the other world takes people from earth like every decade or so against their will(like those missing persons cases where the victim seems to vanish off the face of the earth and is never seen again or found) and vice versa, the other god just tosses beings from the other world to earth, most of which spawn mythology and/or are famous figures.
Jesus would be a random reverse isekaid dude in the canon of my story.
@MamaTrixxieAsmr I like this a lot, any chance I can read it :D?
Your analisis of that mobile phone b*IIshit reminded me that in Jujutsu Kaisen, literally EVERYTHING got wrong when the Gary Stu of the show fell, literally the world fell with him
Bro whats your editing program? This is amazing
I love to see a story where some gun smith get teleported and is extremely weak in terms of combat and magic power and is seen as just a nobody’s by the wizard and warriors of the world but use his skills to created guns and break the traditions and morals of that world like shooting a wizard doing a spell or gun down some famous hero and his party
Damn this was a great first video. :D You remind me a bit of Hello Future Me or Overly Sarcastic Productions in all the good ways and provide fresh insight. Yassssss
Overlord isnt bad tho?
Ots whole thing is him being overpowered but it doesnt only focus on him it takes place focusing and a multitude of people
yeah ainz is over-powered but the world building and such makes it so it doesn't feel cheap, idk why he put overlord as a bad isekai.
Bad Isekai cause it has no reason to be an Isekai
I, probably, am going to pick I fight here, but ... Most of the recent Isekai's aren't really a "Isekai story"!
Most of them have too little to do with the actual Isekai and are more focused with the powers and fantasy.
Them being outworlders is a irrelevant part of the story!
Their family and friends on the previous world doesn't have influence their development (if they have any, they're, at most, a excuse for the mc wanting to go back). Their beliefs are easily changed by the new world. A little number of protagonists actually use common knowledge of our world to improve their situation (those who use, mostly use knowledge that's actually uncommon). And the bullied kids, end up with their trauma being more related to what happened during or after the Isekai than anything prior.
Make a test, pick Shield Hero and think: "what would happen if they're just some people picked at random isolated villages around the kingdom?" Would it change anything after the first couple of chapters?
Naofumi's trauma is all related to Myne. His skills are most, if not all, related to the Weapon's System. His "Hero qualities" are all attributed to him being a "good kid" and his hard work to improve himself after the betrayal.
Personally, anime like ShieldHero, Arifureta, Overlord and some others, that may be your favorites, I don't like to call them "Isekai". They are mostly a Fantasy Story with hero summoning (or reincarnation) being a initial detail.
Just for comparison, look at Tanya the Evil:
Her main motivation is to prove BeingX(the one that Isekaied him) wrong. Although she gained talent for magic from BeingX, what makes her the Biggest asset in war is his knowledge about history and management of human resources. Surprising enough, most of her qualities are derived from his work ethics before the Isekai.
Yes exactly!
I read more isekai manhwa than manga but them being otherworlders doesn't add much on to the plot of the story.
It's just that they came from another world and that's that. Really they could've just been born in the exact same world they were isekai'd in, and 99.9% of the story would've remained unchanged.
Like if you want to write a fantasy harem story just do that, no need to add in isekai too when they will barely mention it on the first place 💀
I'd like to see a video of you covering more isekai, like my new personal favorite Re:Zero.
Re:Zero and Mushoku Tensei are among the BEST isekais.
I can't really decide which one is better since they have different story elements. I'd definitely say that Mushoku Tensei has significantly better world-building, but Re:Zero has superior character development and themes.
nah I think mushoku has better character development as well, its really great.
@@ItsSupercat94 hard disagree but everyone has their own opinion and both are great works
same
I actually have an upcoming Isekai I want to publish with well written characters and a decent plot, it’s just that I just got the energy to get chapter 3 done
In Another World With My Smartphone is the only Isekai on my 3x3, so listing it as a bad example will never fly with me.
3x3?explain pls and if this is some list pls don't compare with stuff like re zero or konosuba cus they're just not comparable
Why smartphone anime sucks:
1.MC has no sense of humor and personality, goals, etc.
2. Power reveals are lazy written
3. The girls around him are nothing more than harem collection
@@professorsaito5399 All of those are subjective opinions not facts.
@@professorsaito5399 lol at least it's getting a season 2
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Mild Spoilers for Rising of the Shield Hero?
Me: (*Hearing all the good points of Rising of the Shield Hero*)
Me: ... Sadly, only for S1, after that, it's just another generic isekai but with a shield that can cause a nuclear explosion. ;-;
Screw authors
Im gonna write my own webnovel
"Fine! I'll do it myself."
-Thanos
Too often we see isekai worlds based on turn based jrpg’s (resulting in fight scenes that look like a fan animation of an episode of Critical Roll). It’d be interesting to see a world based on fighting game logic (where the action is narrowly more unpredictable than PPV MMA)
How is the guy from Overlord a cut and paste main character?
Finally an isekai video that mentions Inuyasha!
What's the music called you used at about 08:35? Also very nice analysis, great job.
If anybody may be interested, it's "log horizon ost kiroku no chiheisen": th-cam.com/video/huEbm8khDp4/w-d-xo.html
how to make isekai better is to not have op mc like the best 2 of isekai konosuba and re:zero and let all of the caracter have a development so the caracter dose not feel flat and 2d
or maybe have them weak at the start and strong in the verry end
I think there are at least 5 categories to these shows. You have actually good shows with good character development, art, style, world building and self awareness, kind of like Mashoku Tensei, 12 Kingdoms or Made in Abyss. I see the later show as a form of Isekai. No, the MC didn't die or get transported somewhere but they quite literally delve into another world.
Then you have guilty pleasure, power fantasy where there may have been a goal or drive for the MC in the first half of the first season, but that all died out as they just kept riding that cash cow. Examples of this is SAO, Overlord or really any other show that is based in a "game". In those shows, the characters, from day one are already known to be among the best and most powerful in that setting. There is no growth for them. The whole basis of the show revolves around the awe, admiration and fear of the scrub characters all going, "OMG, wow he is so powerful". There is barely ever any challenge to the overall power of the MC from the offset, or if there is, any challenge is gone by the second season. More examples include That Time I got Reincarnated as a Slime, Rise of the Shield Hero and Arifureta: From Commonplace to World's Strongest. These are usually the most popular ones that get multiple seasons because the premise takes no thought after establishing the power fantasy.
Then there are just fun ones that really don't take themselves too seriously, that focus more on character development then being self insert power fantasies. Examples to me are Boruri, Isekai Ojisan or Konosuba. The problem with shows like this is that they are carried far more on the writer then anything else. To me, Hataraku Maou-sama!! season 1 was fun and funny to watch. I watched that show over and over, then the second season came out and I couldn't get passed episode 6. Another show that captured the same feeling is The Great Jahy Will Not Be Defeated!
The fourth group is pretty much just trash. They are either one dimensional, without the characterization or budget of the first two groups or they don't have the comedy or likeability of the third group. It is probably some studio making a filler season of something simple to keep people online. Examples are Isekai wa Smartphone to Tomo ni, Maou-Sama Retry, Death March, Choujin Koukousei-tachi wa Isekai demo Yoyuu de Ikinuku You Desu! and Tensei Kenja no Isekai Life: Dai-2 no Shokugyou wo Ete, Sekai Saikyou ni Narimashita. Most shows like these came out after a big hit and tried to capitalize on it by making it a copy paste of what was popular and the studio just bought the rights to the closest manga at the time.
The fifth group is pretty hit and miss. There can be characterization and world building but it seems like there are stories based on the writer's own hobbies. One could call most of them lazy at their worst, uninspired or boring. You could also call the best ones well thought out or educational. This group is any of the niche isekais that focus on a VERY specific aspect of the "other world". Cooking, medicine, etc.
Apart from the trash shows, I think one of the major contributors to a bad, lazy or repetitive show is how important the ubiquitous JRPG system is in show. If it is center stage and its always reminded that IT is the reason why the MC is an OP weapon of mass destruction and that they aren't any more intelligent, charismatic or powerful OTHER then the fact that they have some broken "in game" ability that they never really earned, then you have a lazy show that will probably fade in time.
Well I’ll be. He uploaded a pic of Skeleton knight in another world and that’s what I’ve been watching now. Mans got clairvoyant skills
I'm watching too. I love it
I've been writing an isekai story since I was 16 (more specifically started aged 16, forgot it for a few years and am back to it now after realising I dropped gold) and even back then there was an understanding of a trashy isekai that's somehow gotten worse since, which pushed me to make the story the exact opposite of typical trashy isekai in as many ways as I could without making it bad... some worldbuilding, planning and growing past getting mad that money grubbing companies and lazy people being money grubbing companies and lazy people later and it's just what I kinda think isekai should be in general.
The world should be interesting. The character's time on Earth before being isekaid should matter to the story, especially in their behaviour and personality. Other characters should be interesting. Actual conflict and challenge to engage the viewer. Horny seems to be inevitable just as something that happens naturally and a necessity because money but at least do it tastefully... funny thing is that these are kinda just things you expect from any fantasy / doesn't-take-place-on-Earth story.
It's insane how this has gotten so bad. How can they have so much just straight up telling them how to make something good and still do bad?
Well, I really did enjoyed Death March and In Another world with my Smartphone, the Msartphone was just relaxing and fun
The last statement of about Rising of Shield Hero going into a market that is starting to grow hateful of shitty Isekai's didn't age well my friend.
It's a hit!
Raphthalia 4ever!
Raphtalia is a copy and paste of every Beastman slave girl protagonist.
you will become very big and when you do REMEMBERRRR MEEEE
To be fair, the isekai smartphone web novel is a lot better than the anime. It's not good, but it's definitely much better than the anime. A really big problem with the novel is that there are way too many characters so you don't know much about the harem members or other characters. If you just turn off your brain, it's better than some of the other isekais that require you to turn off your brain to enjoy.
LOL TRUCK KUN HAS ASCENDED THIS HUMAN INTO A HOTSPRING
You're going to be a good commentator i can tell
Here’s an idea: All Isekai are trash and overstayed their welcome and we should instead give up trying to come up with “unique” twists on the genre and actually make a legit fantasy anime for once.
So... you want a different reason why our hero is special, like an ancient prophesy or something like that?
The difference between them is I want to change the world, keep on holding--
Hey man, you can't lump my man momonga with the plain-kun from the smartphone isekai. He actually has a developed personality.
Ainz has developed personality? You sure?
He became more and more evil, as he said he started to lost his emphathy towards humans
You seems to only compare Rising of Shield Hero with some trashy isekai huh?
-Trashy isekai is nearly the same with fanservice, trashy overpowered protagonist with no personality at all and boringly weak antagonist that is exaggerating through WORDS.
-Good isekai comes with a lot of forms:
+Overpowered with proper character development like overlord
+Unique and fun like Konosuba
+Great setting with lots of character development like Rising of the Shield hero
+Etc
I hate to break it to you but Ainz doesn't go through any development XD
@@danielantony1882 he did lost all his flesh to become a skeleton though. That's some development ngl.
@@crackplatinum9883 That doesn't matter XD He goes through no character-development at all XD
@@danielantony1882 I was joking about his development lol.
Shield hero has 0 worldbuilding lol
Of the few well made isekais that there are, bro really chose Shield Hero as an example 🗿
I was thinking if I would create isekai what it would be? But so far being transported to another world didn't add much in my stories
I agree. My main issue with isekai stories is that, most of the time, I look back on the story and plot and ask: what did being from a different world add to this?
9 times out of 10? Nothing.
Most of the stories with isekai’s would be amazing stories in their own right, so why do we need a MC from a different world? I find it much more compelling to watch someone from within a world grow and learn then to have someone transport or reincarnate in with all the answers (or ‘almost’ all the answers because Whoops! they didn’t reach the end of the book before getting sucked in!!!). That’s the biggest flaw I see in stories like that.
@@ardoa8838 A peasant boy who grew up on a farm have the same start as vast majority of isekai protagonists. But I guess they couldn't easily do harem because when people are transported a spell is casted on the world making every female fall in love with protagonist
@@realdragon Hahaha, true true.
A friend of mine has recently been into the “read the book and knows how it ends but gets isekai’ed as the villain/antagonist so has to do everything they can to not die” tropes.
Which is a very specific and yet widely common theme in newer isekai’s. And it’s the same thing, like, why not have a compelling villain/antagonist who grows and matures and redeems themselves naturally? Why do we have to have an isekai protagonist who knows how things will end/play out? Maybe it’s just me, but those types of stories always feel like a cop out to avoid actually developing a character.
Am I wrong for nonironically loving Isekai wa smartphone?
no,i think it's an Isekai for people with real life struggles. When i was in highschool i kinda roasting it. now, i like it because of how much you can watch it to relax.
No bro.... along with you a lot of ppl love it
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1:41 Ayo don't disrespect my boy diablo like that.
shield hero be bussin
great video!
Grimgar is my fav anime
i dont know where tf i found u but u got sub
tate no yusha becomes another trashy isekai later on in the light novel with the protagonist becoming super op
True he is overpowered in strenght but in emotion he is weak af
He's an incel XD
Shield hero for me has fallen into the isekai trap
even got the konosuba music in the background
The fact you used the page at 5:57
You think a Hotspring is crazy? Try being reincarnated as a FUCKING VENDING MACHINE! (And as a plus, the Protagonist is an Otaku for FUCKING VENDING MACHINES OF ALL KINDS And dies for the isekai by the thing he loves, having his precious vending machine fall on top of him!)
But yeah tropes I really dislike are Faux Action Girls (Hype up a chick as a powerful individual or at least competent. Then turn them into the Protagonists cheerleader for so damn long that when she runs into opponents she normally SHOULD be able to fight, she shakes in fear as a Damsel just to make Protagonist-kun look cool for saving her! At least if taken captive in a non-bullshit way you can have her SAVE HERSELF as the Protagonist-kun was coming to her rescue to show she is competent and she was just caught with her pants down but turned it around! Or have the bad guy actually be a creditable threat that it was good Pro-kun showed up to back her up! Don't make her shake in fucking fear like she was always weak! That's like what they did to Tails in Sonic Forces where he went from being brave and bad ass enough to take on eggman and similar threats to "now needing Sonic to save him like a Damsel in Distress!), Lolibaba (Fuck that noise, getting tired of it now, while I'm okay with them as NON-Love Interests, I LOATHE when they ARE being pushed as such) and the Harem Army (where the Pro-kun is surround by so many girls that he needs a HUGE mansion to house them all and they all love him....just because! There's a reason I LIKE protagonists like Suburu, Kazuma, Naofumi and hell even Satou from Death March! Oh yeah and Rudy! ESPECIALLY Rudeus! They have their own FUCKING PERSONALITIES! They are not build to be the Reader/Viewer Avatar or slightly not a complete one that they feel REAL and make realistic choices and suffer consequences both good and bad! I brought up Satou because after a second look, he's given me a reason to be okay with his type of Protagonists! The anime didn't do justice much for Death March)
Tropes I tolerate can be OP protagonists if everything else including their personalities are good (started loving Manga Fantasy with the naive OP ones! Like "Kanchigai No Atelier Meister" where the Protagonist is a good kid who is OP as FUCK but doesn't see it because of his personality and is too critical of what others think of him to really notice it! And so the people around him are looking out for his best interest as those before have exploited and abuse the poor kid! He does have ONE guardian though, but she's forbidden from doing too much so the best she can do is infiltrate TROUBLEMAKERS he's gotten associated with if their not in his best interest and lead them into kicking him out in arrogant belief that he's useless) and I like the story! The part I like about reincarnated as a slime compared to something similar like "reincarnated with my smartphone" is that Rimuru companions are the usual focus of getting strong and have the best fights over Rimuru who is utilized in the right way that I compare it to how One Piece handled it's fights! Luffy's fight with the Big Bad of that arc or their Dragon (CP9) are the highlight Arc ending fights so they are good! But the fights with his nakama and the other members of the Big Bad's Entourage are equally as good because I LOVE all the main characters and their fights are not only structured and shown well, but the minion they're fighting isn't just shown out of nowhere! They are given equal amount of showtime as their Boss the Arc Big Bad and "The Dragon" Superior so their ACTUAL character's! While with Smartphone the protagonist is the ONLY FUCKING COMPETANT INDIVIDUAL! His "harem" barely do anything but praise him or whatever! It's like "But if close your eyes, does almost feel nothing has changed at all" meme where if you removed them, would the story have changed much! Maybe the "Japan like fantasy kingdom" might not have happened without Samurai girl, but was it needed?) Frankly when it comes to protagonists, I love me my "Middle of the road" like Naofumi where they start poor and work their way to the OP status! (The problem with WEAK protagonists like Suburu is they do them in an annoying fashion DIFFERENT then Suburu because his copies don't have "Return by Death" loops plot armor! And I'm saying Plot Armor for that in Suburu case in a GOOD way! But without that, the writer ends up making them USELESS and I'm now wondering WHY I EVEN CARED TO READ/WATCH THEIR STORY AGAIN?. Writers have to be careful about abusing said weak characters, Otherwise you come off as mean-spirited! I've seen ALOT of copycats of Naofumi who decide it's a SMART idea to take too fucking long having Karma hit the assholes who fucked the MC over at the start of the story because they want to drag things out and end up causing me to stop caring! You can only dangle those plot threads enough to my cat like mind before I realize "I'm not catching it anytime soon and your fucking with me" and lose interest! While in Shield Hero, The length before shit goes downhill for those who fucked with Naofumi is great enough that I enjoyed his rising from the shit pit they dropped him in! And happy when the "Bitch and Trash" get what's coming to them! And the Three Stooges later down the road! But what I do like is their redemptions minus Bitch because it gives them more character, chance to redeem themselves while at least acknowledging their own fuck ups and how they were fell so low minus Spear Hero but then he's an idiot hero who at least somewhat learned his lesson and is aiming his spear at "the right targets" now! And further improves the character growth of Naofumi himself! Going more into his "Rising" as he's slowly learning to trust again and even forgive! But showing he will NEVER forget in the right manner of not getting caught with his pants down again! While RIGHTFULLY despising Bitch/Witch as she's the only one who refuses to change and her begging when she's about to get her just deserts from him just to go back to smug and bitchy as before cements that she will never change and it's best to put her down now! Especially after what she does LATER to cement her as the only one to bring out the WORST in him thankfully directed at her, but still it's not an easy sight for his companions to see him in where he's bloodthirst Captain Ahab for her death!)
I think arifureta is also on the mid side of isekai show, the anime is just sh*t with its pacing that it feels so bland. The ln tho is actually a fun read. Although it also has that same "harem-fanservicy" trope, I think the girls still has a good motivation of why they decided to join the harem.
Yue, doesn't have anything to lose for anymore and joining Hajime was her only choice, Shia who finally found the people who has the same constitutions as her(she's a taboo child) so she wanted to join them, Tio whose purpose in goind to the main land was to gather information about the summoned heroes only joined Hajime's party at first as some kind of envoy. There are more but i think this is enough.
Tanya have to be the best isekai protagonist imo
I'm thinking about making a beautiful Isekai Based upon monster Tamers.
There are good Isekais?
I love your opinion in this video compare two isekai from different author is clever (including the smartphone as the worst example!).
But to be fair and funny the Japan is, they Made isekai now a day are like isekai smartphone in the nutshell and they were like "wait?" When it was published or aired..😑
Konosuba is the reason for why I watched Re:Zero...
8:07 How did a kid who have no experience in fights or dodging attacks easily dodge and knock out his opponent
It’s because God gave him incredible stats that makes his reaction time practically amazing.
@@kingx1024 wait i thought he only got his smartphone
@@stuckerfan2563 Nope, he also has his stats boosted and the innate ability to be a master at all types of magic (including forbidden magic) thanks to God. The titular "Smartphone" doesn't seem to do much for the plot.
@@kingx1024 It still wouldn't matter still he wouldn't win.
It's like saying a body builder can beat a skilled martial artist
@@stuckerfan2563 My guy, you're applying real world logic to a harem "power fantasy" anime. The other person can just lose because the writer says the protag is just better.
i was hoping for an overlord mention smh
Did my post just get auto-deleted?
Trinston was here. ..
isekai with my smartphone will get a seasons 2 well that great isn't it
iv never seen eiher anime but how is dragon egg and and polar bear unoriginal?
The anime you said "No Worries" is about to have a new season.
I'm shaming its trashy fans.
Shield hero is now another generic isekai, vengeance aspect has gone since eps 20, has problem with its animation just like most bad isekai out there
Lmao keep shaming
@@ardi08 Oh yeah, guess the vengeance is out of the way, he has gained respect, now it becomes...
............................ generic fantasy anime?
Nothing was said about really good isekai anime like 12 Kingdoms or Escaflowne
They're pretty good. I watched both of them, but Escaflowne wasn't anything amazing. Though 12 kingdoms was.
So long as the isekai can suspend my disbelief and entertain me, I don't ask for a whole lot. I love SAO, tensura slime, spirit chronicles, no game no life, shield hero. All entertaining in their own way, each with characters who are likable and stories I want to see. Are all of them the greatest thing ever written? No and that's okay. Brain candy is important.
Mushoku Tensei is the best Isekai
And 6 years later, jump in today 2024 they still keep making garbage Isekai, and its getting worse.
Re:zero, Konosuba,mushoku tensei, and saga of tanya are probably the best of the best of isekai.
Not really if you are to attempt consider best Isekai and not even mention reverend insanity it shows that you aren't a web novel reading veteran tot to say that the works you mentioned are bad
Man, I only feel irritated watching Isekai Smartphone MC's face whenever I look at him.
I wonder if he likes shield hero
I dunno seems like he might not at first
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