The Staggering Cost of Losing Europe’s Arms Market Part 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- A few weeks ago, we released a video on how America’s potential loss of Europe’s arms market could hit US society, jobs, and taxes - and it nearly broke 500,000 views in record time! Many of you asked for a follow-up covering the equipment we couldn’t get to last time, so here it is.
In this video, we dive deep into the shifting dynamics between US and European military equipment and how political moves (including Trump’s threats to close NATO allies) are driving wedges into future US military-industrial income, putting 2.2 million American jobs at risk.
Here’s what we cover:
Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs)
US Bradley AFV: Once a mainstay, the Bradley is seeing a renaissance with over 300 units donated to Ukraine.
European Alternatives:
Swedish CV90: A multi-role platform with advanced 45mm turrets, augmented reality displays, and active protection against drones-proven in nearly every conflict.
Polish Borsuk IFV: A 100% Polish-made vehicle showing great promise with its modern design and local innovation.
German Variants: Featuring the Lynx (with flexible mission pods for quickly swapping armaments), Boxer, and Puma (a direct descendant of the Marder) - all top-tier options in the European market.
Other European Entries: We also look at Finland’s Patria AMV XP and France’s futuristic IVCB Mk 2 (with drone jamming, electronic warfare, and anti-drone capabilities).
(Note: We focus on systems produced entirely in Europe, automatically excluding the UK’s Ajax and the Spanish-Austrian ASCOD 2 due to their US military industry connections.)
Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs)
US Stryker: Proven effective in Ukraine for counter-attacks and pushes, but facing stiff competition.
European Alternatives:
Polish-Finnish Rosomak APC: With significantly fewer losses in Ukraine, it stands out as remarkably durable.
Finnish Sisu XA 180 Series / Patria AMV: Showcasing Finland’s long heritage in APC design and operational success.
French VAB (Griffon): A cost-effective and widely used system that offers a competitive edge-especially in export markets.
Air Defence Systems
US Patriot: A high-end system, but with soaring costs and political complications.
European Alternatives:
Norwegian NASAMS: Already deployed around the White House, with plans for a long-range variant pushing from 35 km into the 50-70 km range.
French-Italian SAMP-T: Capable of competing directly with the Patriot, featuring a range of up to 150 km and impressive detection capabilities.
German IRIS-T: A medium-range battery that’s proven wildly successful in intercepting missiles in Ukraine.
(Price-wise, these systems vary significantly-from the more affordable IRIS-T to the pricier NASAMS and SAMP-T.)
Missile Technology
Medium-Range Missiles:
Sweden’s RBS Series: Offering ranges up to 350 km.
Norway’s Joint Strike and Naval Strike Variants: With 275 km sea-skimming capability.
Long-Range Missiles:
Storm Shadow/Scalp: Developed by French, British, and Italian manufacturers, these missiles are undergoing improvements expected to extend their range.
German Taurus: With a 500 km range, although its use has been politically constrained.
Future Initiatives:
ELSA Program: A collaborative European effort aiming to develop a ground-based missile system with a range of 1,000 to 2,000 km-designed to reduce reliance on US technology.
The Bigger Picture
We also explore how Europe might benefit from consolidating production-selecting just two or three variants (for example, a northern, continental, and southern model) instead of the 7-10 systems currently in production. This strategic shift could harness the full potential of Europe’s robust defense manufacturing capabilities and ensure cost-effective, high-quality equipment for its armed forces.
Join us as we unpack the complexities of the global arms market, the race between US and European defense technology, and the future implications for military strategy and economics.
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Here in Europe we have to ramp up to get the economies of scale and forget the US.
agreed.
Canadians are talking about making certain you get the necessary energy and critical minerals.
I’m with you in this .
Amen!
We are not forgetting the US, we deliberately skip the US. That is a difference.
As a European, I truly believe that it is enough time for us to stop relying on the Americans.
A country who puts Donald Trump in power TWICE cannot be relied upon.
en France nous avons compris cela depuis longtemps , ne confier votre défense a personne, faite vous même votre armement!
@@jean-lucfrotey7604 Correct Charles de Gaulle mentioned that the USA could bully Europe and would be used as vasal states.
Thats why he withdrew France form NATO.
With the direction the world is going the european countries need to emancipate themselves from the US in Military matters.
European systems might be top of the Line, but there is Not a common force to defend european interest using those systems.
Hmm, France has been singing it in every tone for 70 years now, when will you finally understand that it is right?
When Trump says Europe needs to spend more, he really means it needs to spend more on US systems. Not spending any money on US systems is a great idea.
This! We all know how this orange ball is thinking by now. While it's true that Europe need to pull more weight in NATO, it's a no brainer that he's using this as a means to push more american hardware on the member states.
Damn i would love to observe his outburst if Europe managed to almost completely phase out most of the american hardware.
A shame that so many european countries have already commited to the F-35 project. Such a large investement is not gonna be scrapped any time soon..
That said; Ofcourse US makes top tier hardware - It's just that we should focus on our own top-tier hardware.
Indeed that is exactly what he means, and buying only Eueopean hardware and munitions would be the greatest middle finger Europe could give the US economy. 100s of billions in revenue per year lost because the convenience of buying American no longer outweigh the burden of US foreign policy.
So much for the bankrupter in chief...
whoopsie
No, actually Trump seeks the Europeans to spend more on their own defense needs, rather than relying on the US as an Umbrella Force.
We in Canada need to join Europe in this endeavour.
We have to have closer ties between Canada and the European Union. Allies have to support allies. Let's unite against authocracies. 💪💪
The EU welcomes you with open arms.
You all are most welcome brothers and sisters. Love from Ireland.
make canada the 51st country in the EU !
ERR it's called NATO FOOL
The whole point for the Nordics to buy and invest in the American military industrial complex was that the USA was looked upon as a reliable partner and in fact a fortress that could guarantee deliveries of hardware during times of war. Now that the USA have turned against its allies we have to rule the USA out as a credible supplier. As for now all Nordic countries should place their orders of military hardware in the Nordic countries and in the EU. We should also develope our own strategic nuclear doctrine, production, deterranc and defence. In addition; The USA can not be seen as a reliable partner in the future. The swing of mood every fourth year the us president is elected is not something we Europeans can build a future or strategy on. Great video as usual. Thanks a lot for creating and uploading. Nordics stand together forever. ❤️From Norway!
Agreed Hans, have a great weekend!
We have so much really good kaboom stuff ❤🎉
@@MilitaryRated Same to you and us all!
Complety agree! We should definitely focus on missile and air defence systems, drones and naval drones and yes I agree, Scandinavia should have it's own nuclear arsenal, I know it's controversial atleast in Denmark, but I think we're completely exposed without. We've been counting on the US nuclear ambrella since 1945, but, let's face it, we can't anymore.
I think everyone forgets that the UK and France have nuclear weapons . The UK will not trust Trump ever.
Also many European countries have nuclear power stations and have been to space.
Whilst the US was a reliable ally , and to have chose Trump twice won’t be trusted for a very long time.
It's time to stop European subsidies to the US defense industry.
France has been screaming this from the rooftops for decades.
@@ajkulac9895 Yes, but no-one understood them since they refused to speak another language. 😭
@MetalheadAndNerd Hey. We said it in English. French-accented English, admittedly...
@@adrien5834 "Gud mourning tou yu two", or more "Yer mothér was an 'amster, and yer fathér smells of elderberries"?
@@adrien5834 😂
German here, I said before the US elections that Trump could be the biggest stroke of luck for Europe in 30 years. He is literally driving Europeans towards military independence. Personally, I can only welcome this; when it comes to defense, we have been far too dependent on the USA for decades. Europe has top products when it comes to military technology; it certainly doesn't need to hide behind US products. Unfortunately, we also have gaps, for example in long-range air defense. I am glad that this has been recognized and that Europe is tackling this problem. The most important thing is that we Europeans pool our resources together, create more cooperation, and build our own military-industrial complex. It will simplify the material required for all nations, produce higher quantities, and thus also become cheaper. RIGHT NOW is the moment when we must seize the opportunity to force this independence from the USA.
@@shockwave2654 Swede here. I’m happy to say that we do cooperate. The Taurus cruise missile is a joint Swedish German collaboration. Alas, we don’t have them so we can’t semd any to Ukraine. I think there will be further collaboration now that we have joined nato which was a good thing. Opinion shifted very quickly in Sweden. Trump is stochastic in many ways which should not prevent us from seizing some opportunities.
Right and get Ramstein back to Germany.
And as a French, I would say that, after the USA, we should also leave Europe as Germany (and all the others - but particulary Germany) has nothing to bring to us.
There is no "we European". There is "we Germans, make french do things against their own interest, and guess what ? They obey 😂".
You know, what they say - you can lead (european) horse to water, but can't force it to drink....
@@neodymelanthanide2101 Have fun. Brexit also worked out great right?
I think the German Minister of Economy summed it up nicely: The problem is not that someone like Trump is messing things up, the problem is that US votershave voted for someone like him already the second time within eight years. The world can not work with a nation who goes batshit crazy at every other election.The whole US politics have become so shaky and unreliable that it is not about "wanting to abandon the US" but "we simply have to".
trump have started fixing decades old problems on a weekly and monthly basis these days
look what your liberal western european politician have done for our future
@@hotdog9262 good one ;-)
@@hotdog9262he’s not fixing anything. He’s breaking >100year old alliances and going full authoritarianism.
MGATs = unreliable idiots.
Australian here, we also can’t rely on the US any more and need to take their unreliability into account when buying in future.
|Australia and NZ is also welcome in the Nato that don't buy from the US.
Australia is already working with Europe quite successfully. I remember a couple of recent programs. But there is ofc still room for improvement! You people are very welcome here!
Shame we are spending billions on second hand US nuclear submarines.
@@jonnop1967 Yep France wasn't happy about that. In comparison to the US no single EU nation can just shake such of without at least blinking twice.
If I recall correctly, Japan has changed its arms export laws or is in the process of doing so. I might be wrong about that but if it's true, that could be a new supplier to consider.
When you buy modern advanced military equipment like tanks or planes, you don't just buy the vehicle. You also buy a supply chain for spare parts and customer support for maintenance and future upgrades.
If you can't be sure that your contract with the supplier remain in place 10 or 20 years down the road, you can find yourself with some very expensive bricks in your vehicle park. Buying from a supplier who you can trust to maintain a working relationship with for the whole service life of the product and beyond has huge strategic value.
Exactly, and I predict that other markets outside Europe will be moving away from US weapons systems.
Plus the potential killswitches in anything high tech. It wouldn’t necessarily be a problem to buy USA small arms or tube artillery if it was the best (it isn’t though) but when it comes to fighter jets and air defence systems, we cannot expect it to work against aggression from USA - and as it stands, USA is the only threat against the EU.
@@fridrekr7510Errrr ..... Russia is still a huge threat to the EU.
As a Brit watching Stormshadow get held back by the US was infuriating.
I know it takes a while to develop things - but I couldn't understand why we didn't just swap out the components (we're not exactly novices), and until this video I didn't know we *were* actually doing something about it
Thank you! :)
America First? Sure, ok, let's have Europe First too then, old chap.
It's called MEGA😉
Make Europe Great Again
I think the issue are the radar contour maps necessary for the terrain following navigation system, the database is probably US sourced. We'd need a terrain mapping radar satellite to replace it.
@@adrien5834 a department where Europe is depending on the USA too much too..., space
Good point 👍🙏
We’re on it: Norway is actively expanding its space ambitions and has already launched satellites for Earth observation and maritime monitoring. Give it some more time, and we will be a contender, sweden is also planing for the same thing i belive
@HindsightNinja Agreed. Europe has a lot of satellites. Communications, reconnaissance, meteorology, GNSS, etc. This specific capability is one that we haven't developed because we relied on the Americans. Time to fix that, apparently.
I hope your channel will be eye opener for many Europeans to show them that only united Europe can survive this weird times.
Thank you
We need to ramp up our production capacities (probably a two decades effort), and focus on on one or two european models from each class.....
The biggest issue is that many seem to conflate Europe and the EU, the EU is ~half of Europe [and as Hungary and Slovakia have shown having countries that actually support an ENEMY of EUROPE (not just the EU) can lead to serious issues for the other countries in the union] and hopefully this will unite MOST of Europe against common, not quite enemies but definitely not friends especially in the case of the US. Especially when the EU also has neutral countries as members [Ireland for example] who won't be involved an any military actions they take.
As a Canadian, please, please, please let us join you in buying your military (and non-military) products. We cater too much to the US and don't invest anything in our own defensive products. Europe has many, many great examples as shown in these 2 videos. Why should all our defense spending go to a country that can turn on us whenever a "misfit" becomes a president in the US and threaten his allies with horrendous trade policies?
Canada should be integrated into the EU common market in some way. It would drive the US/Trump insane 😂
We'll see, Canada wants to order submarine, will they buy US ones 😅
@@p4olo537 Sweden has good submarines.
Australia had signed a very good contract with France about supplying submarines. Unfortunately Biden stabbed us in the back with the help of the UK. The alternate solution won't be implemented before years. Meanwhile Australia's defense is limited.
Get some Swedish ones, they been running circles around USA war ships during training @@p4olo537
French here : your prononciation for "véhicule de l'avant blindé" is perfectly correct ! 🖖
❤ Love from Sweden, we are like your little brother, also producing our own kit :)
Europeans can overlook American irrationality, lawlessness, and even stupidity. But, they can't get over the abandonment of honour under modern Trump Republicans.
and the fact that our "ally" is actively threatening us and telling our enemy (Ru) to do what they want with us.
that's not an ally, it's a bully.
they are afraid to lose their power over us and now they are resorting to threatening and bullying us to try and keep us under their influence.
fyi, that tactic is totally backfiring and they will lose influence only faster this way. and it's about time.
America was never honorable. I guess you're an american yourself, because otherwise there is no real excuse for neglecting the fact of how often the US have overthrown democracies in Middle and South America in favour of dictatorships and military juntas that have been supporting cheap resources shipments to the US. The US was never honorable, it was instead just fronting it values crap to easier get a foot in through the back. In fact, our politicians in Europe have, while just stupid and naive for a large part, been simply complacent. It was just cheaper to be protected by the US than having to do it ourselves. This way, our elites managed to get richer. That's all. The US was never about the law (again, just look at Nixon, or the whole decade long ordeal of Iran-Contra).
tRumplickins.
Well said. Fascist America is now a thing.
@@dobbo7690 DYK, Trumpanzees have 48 chromosomes and cannot reason?
This channel deserve an award for uniting people and armies outside the US. Our banter aside nation to nation we are still one when it comes to certain enemies and friendemies.
"Still"??? I have a feeling that large parts of Europe have never been so united since the Turks laid siege on Vienna in 1689. Since then and for most of the time before that, the current European part of NATO has always been torn apart by rivaling nations trying to dominate the continent and going to war for it. The long decades of peace I grew up in (born1965) were the result of two power blocks threatening each other with total annihilation. when one of them imploded, we thought that Arcadia had come, but instead the situation started to deteriorate until a new common enemy arose.
When did we ever before have anything outside current Belarus and Russia forming one coalition, working together. I can't think of any example.
@ I am an 63 model and i served in the Royal Norwegian medical corps in northern Norway during the cold war. We had weekly briefings on what Russia was doing over the border.
The most important strength of the CV90, IMHO, is the excellent protection and survivability chance of the crew. Even when the platform gets absolutely hammered.
As a Swede I'm super proud of the Hägglund guys that created such a badass IFV!
Agreed. It's a pleasure to both drive and be in. This Fin is jealous!
@@MilitaryRatedwe’re brothers and sisters. Sweden will happily share with Finland 🇸🇪🇫🇮
For part 1: th-cam.com/video/8ThNMEwLF7s/w-d-xo.html - I hope you guys have a great weekend. If you'd like me to do a third video on naval and other capability, let me know.
Yes! Thanks
Yes thank you sir. 😊
Yes, please!
Make it, you know you want to lol.
And a great weekend to you too. Oh, why are you even asking redundant questions, of course we want to see a third video. I mean what kind of question is that, the answer is just yes, yes please!
Hello from Sweden to my best neighbor Finland. I have been feeling down and depressed for the past couple of years. I've seen my beloved Europe fall apart and back down. Your videos give me hope and joy. Please, please make more videos.
I am American and I support this boycott of American weapons and goods 👍 this current administration must be bankrupted and stopped, at all costs
No, I still think that this is outragious negociation tactic, so cooperation is hard but possible
@@peter_oso "outragious negociation tactic" : yes, from Trump (threaten to invade your allies and you lose them, plain and simple).
As an American I am so angry, sad, embarrassed and a little awestruck at what the trump administration is doing. Its absolute madness and sickening. I knew he was reckless, I didnt see it going this terrible though.
Just know that a large number of us Americans do not agree with the idea of abandoning Europe. I can only hope that he doesn't remain in office. Our system is so far gone though I don't have much faith in anyone in Washington to do the right thing.
Well, Trump thought that Jan6 was an “act of love”, so perhaps American democracy lovers should make huge non-violent demonstrations to show him some “love”😊
Abandoning? As far as I can see the US hasn’t started removing there forces. Losing preference is what I see.
Not talking to you personally here, just to be clear.
But you say that a large number does not agree, yet he was voted in. Almost 40 percent of your population with rights to vote didn't. That means that more people chose not to vote than actually voted for him.
This is a a good look for the bastion of democracy.
@@Minderz Almost 5M votes ripped up or rejected ....almost all black voters vote wanted to or voted democrate. Kamala should have won.
Orange putin cannot be trusted
With such an ally, Europe has to be independant and rely on its own capabilities, sorry for our friend americans
I got out and am an American in Europe and I'm on the side of civilized democracies and free press, Nordics and other EU democracies. 56th place e is where America ranks on the Press Freedom Index, and Nordic are top 5. I didn't want to raise a bunch of dumb ignorant kids and communities like I grew up in before reagan killed the middle class in favor of trickle-down economics.
As a Texan, I understand. No Worries, Pahdnah.
It bums me out but you are correct. The world doesn't need us.
America is NOT a “friend” as long the old carrot has the power🤷♂️
But the US would not let us have software access and I bet the US can switch of any software on any F-35 anytime if the feel threatened, and then what use do we have of the F-35? Norway have to spend so much more to get up from 2.2% of GDP that we can easy buy Grippens or Rafaele and have a fleet of them. And yes it seems we need nukes as-well! And we don't need to be afraid of any Russian stealth it seems, the 4 they have left is very bad and they don't have money to develop more.
If Trump imposes tariffs on Europe, can the countries that have ordered the F-35s cancel their orders?
We have alternative fighters with the Rafaels, JAS-39 and Eurofighters.
They can. In the next few weeks I'll make a video on it.
The downside to that, is that the various countries that are part of the F-35 program, invested in its development aswell, so that's money lost if the buying countries cancel their orders.
@@djahman8501UK would have an interesting problem if F35 affected. They are the only Tier 1 partner in F35/JSF and built their carriers around that plane (they cancelled their own Emals program, called Emcat, and so would have to buy American catapults if they wanted to convert).
Similarly, what would the French do without access to US catapults and Hawkeye aircraft for their carrier?
@@djahman8501Exacly, part of the F-35 are made in Italy at Cameri where also the aircrafts for the Dutch and Italian air forces are assembled
In this area, nothing we have compares to F-35
France uses 2 versions of the SCALP: one for the air force (up to 500 km)... and one for the navy (up to 1000 km). And a third version was announced by MBDA targeting the land forces. It will be based on the naval version.
If Trump puts tariffs on Europe, the first response should be cancelling American weapons systems. Also Boeing planes should not be purchased and go with Airbus. But I fear we don't have the best leaders unfortunately
Would expect Boeing would be a primary target for both EU & China given their domestic suppliers (Airbus/Comac) & Boeing’s deep links to the US DoD.
Boeing made sure Airbus will get most orders for commercial jets for at least a decade, when they knowingly and wilfully degraded the quality of their planes for a little bit of cost savings. In the civilian space, there is no longer a competitor for European aircraft. The Chinese are trying to become one, but they're not quite there yet.
there are some great leaders in the EU, some not so good but none as awful as trump except in Hungary
@@a0flj0 What about the Brazilian Embraer? They're pretty good and definitely can compete at the shorter range/smaller capacity aircraft.
@_starfiend There are several companies that make smaller aircraft - Embraer is on, another one is Bombardier. But nothing upwards of the A320, to my knowledge, except Boeing.
EUROPE IS PRETTY GOOD TO MAKE THERE OWN WEAPEN, AND SUDDENLY SWEDEN IS LUCKY TO MAKE GRIPEN AND CV90 ,
Sweden has been producing their own weapons, tanks, aircrafts, etc. since day one (1900)
@@heuhen Thanks, I know 👍
Yes good at making useless and super expensive tanks who get blown up by cheap drones. At least the US has stealth and long range fire power and a strong drone program.
All EU has is cold war tech. Terrible Drone Program, no stealth. And very little long range power. All EU nations combined would lose in the first week fighting Russia without USA support. EU has never been weaker in its entire history.
@@heuhen No, since 1944, when the Swedish industries had been built up after the realisation back in 1939 that when things look bleak in the world, foreign customers end at the back of the line.
he preblome of the gripn it is not 100% Swedish many pieces are of American origin
Here in Canada, since our military is so depleted we should turn to European suppliers and return the bloody F-35s to the US. SAAB's latest offerings in the air domain should be over Canada's skies, not suspect American tech. That whole thing has been a boondoggle to keep Lockheed alive. Yes it would cost billions to close the program but the US ain't gonna be the US in about a year or two. I'd much rather we went with stable European suppliers, especially since the quality is better and less expensive to maintain.
Lock the US or what's left of it out in the cold. Sick of the bloodsuckers.
I agree. I would say a mix of the Gripen E, for the Arctic and Northern Territories, and the Rafale F4, for our Southern border would be ideal. Also, have a deal with Dassault to get a production line set up for the upcoming F5 by 2030. The problem with the Gripen is that it does use GE's engine design, if a departure from that happens with SAAB, then I'd go all in with them
operating costs for a F-35 are ridiculously high. you can operate a Gripen 10x times longer for the same money than a F-35
It's OK to talk about Patria. After all, Germany has just ordered 1,000 units of the Tpz Patria!
I have plenty of American friends and I like the country, even if the culture differences can be quite large on certain topics. But with military power you need something you can depend on. They've twice elected a person that is unreliable but also threatened European states. You don't want your logistical and military network dependent on such a partner. That's simply too risky. We have the capability right here in Europe, what we need to do is come together and coordinate how we are going to divide the gains of military spending in Europe so it doesn't only benefit some countries.
He is literally screaming that a NATO ally become his 51st state. He is so generous in saying he will only use "economic warfare" to bring it about.
Canada should buy European 😊😊😊
Europe should buy Canadian gas now when they cant sell it to US
@@FinTomTom Who said that we can't sell it to the US ?
@@DavidM2002you can, you probably shouldn’t & show them that they’re not quite as strong as they thought without their neighbours.
Canada is in a sh1tty position and will have to keep the US sweet to some degree. It can't fully come over to Europe.
@@niallodonnell8860 I don't think anyone is suggesting to switch over 100%. But, you have to start somewhere and take it to the point that the US sits up and takes notice. Some of the strongest lobby groups in the US are the arms makers and they will notice and they will talk to their politicians. This is a long game.
✨🌟TOGETHER 🇪🇺🤝🇪🇺 UNBEATABLE 🌟✨
Another canuck here (we are everywhere these days; it must be annoying at times. Sorry) i think canada should 100% be investing in the EU arms market rather than americas. Sweden's fighter programme is legendary and theyve recently came out with a new advanced aircraft also!
We need to switch so many things to Europe as they are similar in so many things. Its just been to easy to trade with the US up unitl now.
Canope or Euranda?
I mean after all Canada shares a land border with Europe. It's true!!!
@@arvedludwig3584 guess you mean that small Island between Canada and Greenland (Hans Island), where
the most friendly "war" (Whiskey/Schnaps - War) took place.
Alliances of the future should be built around common values like democracy, personal freedom and the rule of law. You are much more like us than the Americans, welcome aboard!
This is great News! Here in Canada we are on a mission to Purchase "PRODUCED IN Canada products" or elsewhere in the world like Mexico etc. America needs to be taught a lesson to stop bullying and start applying the Golden Rule, " DO ONTO OTHER AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE TO YOU" I hope that Canada makes their own Miltary vehicles and adds European models and stop buying anything from the USA.
Fellow Canadian here. Isn’t it great to find a video like this! We are all rising against the orange bully. It will be a rude awakening to Trump/MagaAmericans when they realize our revolt.
@@markwickens2756 Turn USA into the 11th province perhaps?
Meanwhile, feel free to help yourself with licence production of European stuff while drawing up the plans.
I hope some of our EU politicians use this oppurtunity to make some sort of free trade deal with Canada. I am sure both of us would benefit greatly from it, and i bet we would be 100 times more respectfull than your nutjob neighburs.
Apart from manufacturing capacity there’s no reason to go for American while they’re in their rebellious pseudo-fascist phase. Let them feel how it’ll affect their economy while we develop our own. Make your bed, lay in it. Thanks Tuomas, and have a great weekend, my Finnish friend. You guys need to get better at merch or something, this channel is so underrated!
100% Agree, we got the capability to do so much with our Technology in Europe, just look at Sweden and Norway.
There is alot of technology to explore and develop within the EU
Canada would be happy to provide energy and critical minerals.
Europe could build big manufacturing plants in cheaper countries such as romania, hungary, and bulgaria, or even Czech and Slovakia.Polish labor force is also cheap.
Nothing 'pseudo' about their Fascism, and nothing to indicate it's just a phase.
@@Arthur_Foxache found the democracy hater.
Trump doesn't have a clue what is going on.
He's as dumb as a rock.
Now wants to withdraw US troops from Syria , thus leaving the Kurds to
guard thousands of very dangerous Isis , with revenge on their mind.
the man is insane. megalomaniac.
Right he think he is the leader of the "free world" Fascist and all.
He wants to build, own and exploit resorts in what we now call Gaza. As long as his business models are good, you can have a deal. Geo politics, long term relations, compromise... all words that were not in his real estate business curiculum. He thrives on chaos, panic and turmoil.
Doing next a video on Naval capabilities is a natural progression of this series! Loved it so far! Keep going!
Thanks, will do! Have a great weekend brother!
+1
sweden has best submarine in the world (well most stealthy/silent), and most stealthy corvette (visby class).
@@MilitaryRated please if you do it put also a focus on Fincantieri naval industries, in my opinion the potential backbone of a future European navy. Unfortunately Italian Industrial power is often underestimated due to stereotypes on Italy but with companies like Leonardo, Oto Melara and Fincantieri we’re building the best western fleet in the Mediterranean Sea
Please take into account Navantia.
The successful LHD Platform Juan Carlos I that uses Spain, Australia and Turkey.
The S80 type submarines by Navantia.
And New F110 Frigates Project.
Europe should be America’s greatest ally not its lapdog
Italy is alongside France one of the few countries procuring military gear from Italian and European companies, with Leonardo, Fincantieri, Iveco Defence Vehicles and Beretta being the main
Recently the Italian Army signed a contract for 380 tanks and support vehicles based on the KF-51 Panther and 1,050 IFVs and variants of the KF-41 Lynx both jointly produced by Leonardo and Rheinmetall.
The new Lynx will have Italian electronics and components and will mount the Hitfist 30 turret with the new X-Gun 30mm while another will have the Hitfact MkII turret the same mounted on the Centauro 2
Italy is also planning to aquire an additional number of Freccia IFVs along the new Lince 2 LMVs which are currently in production.
Italy's new armored battalions will be frightening.
Exept from that Italy is a gigachad county 🗿
Croatian here. We bought PzH 2000 howitzers, Leopard tanks and Rafale fighters. Also we're making Patria combat vehicles under license.
Dutch veteran here. Aside from the Patriot and F-35, and a handful of MQ-9 Reapers, most of our military equipment is already European (or Australian even LOL).
That includes things like:
- our IFV's & APC's (Bushmaster, CV-90, Fuchs, Boxer, Fennek, Vector (SOF), and Manticore, to name a few)
- our entire Navy & all Submarines (a lot of that is actually Dutch bult, by DAMEN), including the ship's defenses (GoalKeeper CIWS, built by Thales Netherlands, for instance)
- most of our Air Defenses (we also use the NAASAMS)
- anti-drone and anti-tank systems (we use Spike and PzFaust 3, amongst other European systems)
- Aside from Apache and Chinook (which have no real European alternatives), most of our helicopters are European
- a LOT of our RADAR systems are European, in fact they are Dutch built by Thales Netherlands (Subsidiary of Thales Group from France)
- All of our trucks (supply trucks, Troop carriers, Shop Vans, CBRN, Recovery vehicles) are from DAF Netherlands and SCANIA
- cars and other smaller transport are from Mercedes, for instance
- most of our personal weapons are European (such as the HK416A5 / HK417 and Glock, as the main personal weapon)
- we even deploy a European AGW (Automatic Grenade Launcher) from HK (the HK GMG - Grenade Machine Gun), instead of the US made MK19 Grenade Launcher
- etc. etc.
If the US stopped delivering today, we'd still be 90% functional.
I think we are doing quite well in depending less and less on US made military equipment :-)
Gripen uses your radar. Excellent product. SAAB needs to replace all American parts
I just want our leaders in Europe to say TO HELL with all these authoritarians who see us as pawns in their delusions of grandeur and long live human dignity and peaceful cooperation! If we can protect ourselves and don't deal with countries that have this weird deathcult and superiority complex BS, then the dictators can scream and threaten us all day...
Bang on!
What I said all along: Trump should STFU about NATO spending: USA is making shitloads of money off the EU.
Trump is talking to an ignorant American population who can't understand that their economy is benefiting from "donating" equipment to Ukraine because US companies are expanding their businesses to supply vehicles and ammunition to Ukraine. The Americans think it's all free gifts! So they're incapable of understanding that Europe buying their products benefits them, either.
Many Americans think the EU only costs them money when the truth is that we are their largest economic partner. Its the same thing with military equipment they dont realize how many jobs in USA are dependent on all the military equipment we buy from them just because they have been our partner. Now its starting to change and not only because of Trump lets be honest the way USA started to restrict our options on where and when to use their weapons during the Biden era was not to our benefit.
He thinks we'll buy more American. No, we'll just make our own.
Not any more…. Tuck Frump and his dumbass redhats.
Trump is an idiot and idiots dare to do anything... (it's much more meaningful in French)
For Americans, weapons for their allies seem now to be only about bargaining and money. But if you live a stone's throw from an angry bear, you don't want to hear haggling and blackmailing when the need arises.
If there is one thing we can trust Trump to do, is to sell us all the tools we need to slap that bear. He want us to do the slapping and make profits as arms dealer. :)
Hello Thomas,
the Bundeswehr has now decided that they will buy the Patria 6x6 as a replacement for the old Fuchs tanks. A very good decision, I think.
Europe should become independent of the US more quickly. This is absolutely possible with tanks, artillery and wheeled tanks. In my opinion, problems are only with airplanes and rockets. More must come from Europe. A very good contribution from you 👍
A good choice! It'll be great for the EU and Finland to get that order in. Patria is honestly very underrated, and it's owned by the Finnish/Norwegian state so you won't have people bleeding the company dry.
"Owned by Finnish" 🫵 You are now banned from Finnland, down to the shadow real with you. @@MilitaryRated
oh no!
well, the quality of the systems and vehicles seems to be there, certainly, so that speaks volumes for EU. you tryna tell me the europeans and British don't know how to make military items...?
@@STScott-qo4pw Hello Scott. I don't understand how you come up with this thesis. Of course, we can build very good military weapons in Europe! Only some weapons, we lack experience. In aircraft construction, for example, many nations are using the F-35. Almost all NATO countries. Long-range missiles is also one of those things. We Europeans have to do better at this. The US is no longer a friendly partner. I hope you now understand what I wanted to say with that.
It seems that the trio Italy-UK-Japan started their joint project for a new stealth fighter jet just in time…
To be fair to Trump, all three nations invested heavily in the F35 from the start. The GCAP project is a direct result of all the strings that they found attached many years ago.
Great Episode.
Canada 🇨🇦 Army Veteran
Thank you my friend!
We just need a good geographic distribution, of the production jobs across the continent. No one wants to replace the Americans with the French. It has to be divided equally.
As an American I think you need to develop your own military equipment since you can no longer depend on the USA to help. With Trump in office he will throw Europe under the bus in a heartbeat.
The USA makes weapons and Europe buys weapons. This is not 'help' it is 'trade'.
Much of the technological advances in weapon systems were developed in Europe, or India, or Australia... not just in the USA. We have shared technology; shared intelligence; shared training; shared ideas and shared the field of battle since WWII.
Trump is right and Europe needs to invest more in defence, but he hasn't exactly been diplomatic about it. He's more like the bully in the playground, threatening and menacing and demanding lunch money. The problem he has is that the other kids are starting to gang up and they don't have to buy American weapon systems.
Europe could decide to ask American forces to leave. Europe could decide to sidestep American supply chains. Europe could decide that America is just one big protection racket. But, Trump thinks he's 'The Leader of the Free World' and everyone has to jump, and so does half the population of America. The man's a clown!
Swede here. I’m happy to say we have a strong military industry here. I think one reason we have not sold as many Gripen fighters is that we were not a NATO country. What one needs to understand about American military gear is that it has to be operated exactly as the Americans would. That’s why a large number of M-777 howitzers have been lost. I have no doubt it is stellar but the Ukrainian army doesn’t work like US army.
the most frightening fact, this is his second time as POTUS. American voters have voted him in the White House twice! From my point of view, it means the American voters can and will elected men (or women) like him in the future too. The rest of the world need to take note and act accordingly.
Nah, Trump do have a point, trade should go both ways, there are too much protectionism in Europe, both France and Sweden are examples of have a long tradition of making their own military gear, they make almost everything themselves, even if better alternatives exists near. Secondly, US have scale and particularly on things that require huge development cost, like fighters and helicopters, they are competitive and the pack leader on features. The two biggest NATO air forces are USAF and US Marine Corps, none else can match US scale, so even if France come up with an excellent fighter, they will not be as competitive, since they lack the same scale. The US fighters will carry less development cost per unit, than an European competitor. That's a given.
The second point is, while it's not easy to sell military gear to US, if you do, it's fantastic volume and will be a huge win-win. Why bother trying to sell state-of-art gear to France and Sweden? It's harder than US market and if you succeed, they offer way less volume and profits.
Tradition in my country is to get air force from US, we are able to trade some gear back and have a really good trade balance with US, almost even. Other European nations have terrible trade balance with US, they only sell and don't buy US products back. Trump have a very bad way of trying to correct this imbalance, using threats and bullying, but his goal is simple, those who just profits from US trade and ignore their military, he not gonna save. However, nations US have a good trade balance with, they are safe, that's the kind of partners he consider good for US. Examples of such European countries are Netherlands and UK, there are more like mine, but Germany and Italy have terrible trade imbalance with US, Denmark too BTW.
@@tor6372 "...he not gonna to save", says you. "The UK is outta line..." says he.
Have you any idea how much the USA is detested for that attitude and how counter productive it is? And since the war in Ukraine started, the EU and UK have become pretty confident in their own defence capabilities.
If the USA produced small, attractive, economical cars, it would export more cars.
If the USA stopped producing genetically modified produce, it would export more produce.
If the USA didn't use growth hormones and antibiotics in meat production, It would export more meat.
If the USA stopped chlorinating chicken, it might export more poultry.
If it stopped putting outrageous quantities of sugar, salt, corn syrup, flavour enhancers and artificial colouring into packaged food, it might export more of that, too.
Unless the product and price is right, people buy little, do without, or invest in their own production. These are simple rules of economics, from households to countries. If no-one is buying what you have to sell, the fault is yours.
If things really get worse with the US, what will the countries that bought the F-35 do? It may be time to cancel the orders and buy Rafale, Grippen or Eurofighter.
The F-35 can be sent back, sold to other operators or used for however long the contract is for, which covers maintenance and parts as standard.
I live in a small "weapons factory" town in Europe with like 10k people. Everything here revolves around a massive weapons development and manufacture complex and let me tell you we have been churning out Patriot systems for the past few years. Everything that happens related to the arms market gets reported in the local news paper and... well lets just say the US is going to lose billions in contracts just from our small town.
If you make stuff for Patriot systems your local company is probably paying hefty licence fees to the US. Also the US goverment could put restrictions on the use of these weapons if they wanted. It's better to develop all-European alternatives.
We the french have been saying this since de Gaulle..and not only because of dependence. Also because we have way too many allied boys buried on our soil. You must be able to defend yourself, and on this trump is right while beforehand the US systematically tried to divide the Europeans on defence.
as an American who wanted Trump in office, I hope the French lead the Europeans on their defense. the French are the only ones who speak of independent European action. this is good doctrine, especially since Americans, irrelevant of administration, are an entire ocean away. Europeans are on the frontline of a European theater, and, unlike Europeans, Americans have to manage 3.5 theaters at once (Europe, the Middle East, the Pacific, and the half-theater in South America). if the Europeans can handle their own, then everyone wins.
The problem is that after WW2 and the cold war, people in Germany have become so ridiculously antimillitaristic that you can't even convince people that investing at least a little bit in self defence is morally justified. The cognitive dissonance is astonishing. Because of this, France and Germany could never agree on these topics. I have always been very sad about this. If Germany and France would come together, the entire EU would follow. I don't want to downplay the other countries but when the two biggest economies agree on something, it's hard to argue against it.
@@danielk.english6004Not true, finland also have had this notion. They didnt dissarm like the rest and they make their own kit just like the French, just not to the same extent. We Swedes also make our own kit, sadly we did dissarm after the fall of the Soviet Union.
@@andersmalmgren6528 - the reason why I pointed to the French is also due to the French having tried to build and develop relations with other parts of the world. Africa and Asia in particular. the French tried to deescalate the 2022 war, they are also a nuclear power, are a part of the G7, etc. while I may not personally agree with each decision by the French, their attitude is appropriate for their position. this is not to discount the vigilance of other countries such as the Finns, the Poles, or the Baltic States. kudos and peace to all of you.
The following fact almost did crack me: Italy's Leonardo company has started to produce the licenced F-35 WITHOUT US-components. And it is cheaper and has less flaws. Which basically means the only thing the US is still able to sell is raw materials and Heavy Transport Helicopters. Welcome Saudi Arabia 2.0.
Another point about not buying American equipment is that their stuff was designed with the vast American army and arms industry in mind. A huge army, that needs massive bases and equally massive support organisations to be able to function.
The Americans don't need to think too much about how long it takes to service a vehicle, or how many techs are needed, they just have a ton of people who can do it. US gear also does not need to be designed to protect its users to the full extent as we Europeans would like, also because the Americans are just so many - why make each and every vehicle super-safe when you can just make them "safe" and for the same cost you could just make 3 of each? Not on the level of say Russia of course (their things are deathtraps) but still.
In Europe, no nation has close to the kind of manpower that the US can fling around on even the laziest of sundays...
European gear is made with Europe in mind, and each nation has its own doctrine - which is also why it is so hard to get our nations to agree on any common standard, for anything. The difference in needs between France and Latvis, for example. One is huge, the other, little. These 2 countries will likely never use the same equipment, and that is because they have very different conditions. (Although I'm sure Latvia would not mind some of them French nukes right about now...)
In general, European stuff is made to be as survivable as possible, so that our limited amount of soldiers can live to fight another day. It is out of necessity we do this, as our manpower is much smaller than that of superpowers like the US.
The CV90, for example, was designed to be used and serviced by 18-year-old conscripts right out of high-school, it is easy to use and is very well protected. It is one of the safest military front-line vehicles you can be inside of in Ukraine, comperatively speaking to, for instance, a Bradley.
Somewhat disjoined thoughts here, hope you don't mind.
Our European money for our European defense industry only. We have World leaders in every field (Thales, MBDA, Airbus, KMW, Fincantieri, DCNS, Assault, Saab, FNH, HK, etc).
We have to ban the purchase of non-EU military hardware with EU funds in our common buying programs and encourage cost sharing for expensive programs.
Not every European NATO member is an EU member, if doing EU protectionism, you no better than those Trump tariffs. Some of the EU members have shown very little support for Ukraine and score low of democracy, high corruption, low humanitarian aid, selfish behaviour talking to Putin and making threats to Ukraine. I rather team up with UK, than be in same bed as Hungary, Slovakia, Turkey. I would say no to export/import weapons to Turkey, they are ruthless against the Kurds.
The real problem with EU arms industry is the fact that industrial intrests of all coutries are important for goverment. Thats why we can't build an EU army (also the fact that estern EU countries think that buying USA arms will keep them safe, which is very naive in my opinion) although it's what lacking in the EU defence. Anyway great video
Agreed. We're doing what we can with this channel. It's a hard topic. How do you make the EU\Europe agree to work together rather than divided? If you combined all the know-how in the continent it's a superpower in a year or two. Get France, Germany, Sweden and the UK to make a fighter jet and it'll blow everything else out of the water, but they're too busy arguing about the 100-years war.
Another bigger issue, they are reluctant to increase production.
@MilitaryRated there have been pros and cons. One big pro was that during the Cold War, Soviet Russia was forced to develop countermeasures for a dozen different NATO systems, rather than one or two standardised American or European systems. This made Russia's life harder and more expensive.
The con is what has already been mentioned: that it increases costs, reduces production, duplicates effort and gets political.
Thought , I think the verb should now be thought.
Maybe they will learn when the US occupied Greenland, Panama, Gaza and Canada.... Nobody knows what is going on in the demented brain of the 🍊....
The colonist wants Europe defense spending to go to five percent of gdp: sure I would say but only spent 13:28 in European weapons !! We are not giving three percent of gdp to Trump (NEVER )while we need money for hospitals schools etc. Hope that is crystal clear.
Well said! More defense spending, sure - but buying from European companies!
UK fouled up with IFV procurement. Ajax was an expensive disaster that will be made to work, but only at great cost. BAE Systems used to have a big share in Swedish defense but they sold it off because BAE wanted to become an American supplier more than a European, so now they don't get a piece of the Gripen or CV90 pie. If they'd stayed in, perhaps the UK would have bought CV90 instead of Ajax.
Cv90 and Ajax are basically the same price per reported unit price
@@Cav-z1ywith the big difference that CV90 was a bug tested, working platform in large scale production, and Ajax has had to have numerous expensive fixes made, some.of them so stupid and basic that they should have been fixed at the design stage (makes you wonder if General Dynamocs hires their people from the same place Musk gets his teenage t-shirt wearing DOGE kids from).
First of all, Ajax is not an IFV, it is a scout vehicle replacing Scimitar. The Boxer is replacing Warrior in the IFV role. Also, BAE Systems manufactures the CV-90 and they also manufacture the American Bradley.
@@crazyhorse1771 BAE Systems own Hägglunds, but Hägglunds in a Swedish company and manufactures the CV90 in Sweden. The platform was also fully designed in Sweden, before Hägglunds was bought by BAE.
@@vicolin6126 I agree with everything you have said, I merely mentioned BAE Systems because it is the parent company, which was not mentioned in the video.
As an American it's both sad and hopeful to read these comments. It's sad that we've fallen so far in the world - having played huge part in establishing peace and prosperity after the last world war. But hopeful because Trump and the America First crowd have to see that their threats and bluster have made us weaker, poorer and less secure.
And more isolated, unfortunately. I think most people who voted for Trump simply got conned, and bought into his rhetoric without understanding how it will hurt them long terms. USA right now feels like turning back in time 100, back to early 1900, when it was a an oligarchy on steroids, completely controlled and run by industrialists and bankers. But with every setback, there is progress. Even though I do not like what is happening to US as a country, I am still hopeful about its people eventually realizing their are being conned, and they are getting worse off, and they will eventually take back power from these oligarchs and grifters. Unfortunately, it will take decades, and we will be too old for us to matter.
Some petty US tactics in regards to weapons sales where countries werent allowed by the US to sell their stuff to Nato allies because it had US components, has lead to many european Nations to fully develop their own hardware. France couldnt sell the Rafale because it was using some US equipment. Sweden couldnt sell the Gripen because of its US engine. In all these cases the US then made counter offers to sell their stuff instead.
In principle, the Rafale doesn't have any US parts.
@@jean-michelvanpruyssen936 No. It used external sensors and weapons mostly for ground attack made in the US. They no longer do. Overall it really hampered their exports up until a few years ago because they couldnt sell a full package.
@TheDude50447 So you confirm that the Rafale jets don't have today american parts in them. Of course the missiles fired by the jets are a different issue.
@@jean-michelvanpruyssen936 The Rafale is a full french development using their own technology. Apart from the prototype which did use some US parts like a general electric engine there arent any in the production models. At least not key technologies. The problem for france have been their reliance on some external targeting and sensor equipment as well as ground attack munitions. When it comes to a pure air to air loadout that had been fully french all along with Mica and Magic short and medium range missiles. Later versions of the Rafale can also mount the european developed Meteor.
That really limited the package options for potential buyers. You basically couldnt get air to ground capabilities. France has heavily invested over the year to rectify that situation.
@@TheDude50447 Rafale also has the MkF16F ejection seat, which is manufactured by Martin Baker, a British company.
Enjoy your videos, this has been a topic I've been preaching about for awhile here in the U.S. trump hasn't a clue what he's started. I have family in the Royal Marines and Navy and we talk often, we all agree this administration is and has been a complete disaster on the same scale as Brexit, in every context. My advice, make sure the EU keeps spending on public education and the protection of individual rights, ( just as important as military spending) how else can you explain how nearly half of a country bought into the daily propaganda and elected a conman and convicted felon into office.
Thank you my friend. I agree. An educated population would never elect the sort of grifter we see in the US.
Having a channel that focusses on European centric military stuff is hella nice. I sure hope you guys continue to grow into a bigger channel as time goes on.
Boxer is no longer one vehicle, but is currently developing into a vehicle family: there are a wheeled, tracked, and the strengthened wheeled (for the RCH155 module) chassis now, and the number of different mission modules is staggering.
shame to see no representation from czech military industry, gone are the days when our tanks were causing havoc in Poland and France :-(
Europeans are smart and strong if we stand together, .. we dont need Trump
NATO or no NATO a condition of being a member of the EU should be to spend defence budgets within the European defence industry. Europe has become too indebted/reliant on the US & needs to be militarily independent.
If US puls out of Nato, Nato will still be Nato but just without US.
@@palandorstvold5622 nato is the US, it was created to defend american interests, if you keep being nato then europeans are dumbfuks
From I heard an American president say he would not defend allies even Canada! I would make sure you’ve got your own defence industry and you’re not reliant or expecting any help cause it’s not coming
Thank you so much for making these very informative videos about the various aspects of European defense. As a Dane I strongly support the idea of Europe First when buying equipment. And let's start by getting some Gripens.
Europe has to become self reliant, this is the only way to protect ourselves.
This is one of my new favourite channels ❤
Same.
"Pardon my french" No need man, your pronunciation is excellent!
It's 18 years since I had French in school!
Yep, he nailed the Véhicule de l'Avant Blindé. 👌
@@MilitaryRated
Don't worry, your pronunciation is very good !
Greetings from France 👋
Canada has finally started to renew its army. As a former British colony, we always politically favorized our closest allies, someone you can trust with your life, UK and USA (even if France or Germany make as good or better...and real often cheaper). But with Trump's constant threats, it's more than obvious that we'll arm ourselves elsewhere. We'll soon get a new fleet of British frigates, but the F-35s deal start to be politically contested... no need to substantially reward our "enemy" with very lucrative deals.
Love your videos and always a pleasure to listen to our Finnish neighbor
Keep up the good work, we don't need the American military channels now that we have our home grown Finnish one also 😘🇳🇴🇫🇮
Its enough feeding USA oligarchs, lets feed our own.
No $16,000 clawhammers and $ 20,000 toilet seats in our planes?
Ouch.
I want Canada to shift away from the US for defence spending. Maybe a partnership with Saab for jets as an example. Longer range, faster and more stealth. Something more akin to the Arrow that was never past the prototype stage.
Thanks
Thank you for your contribution, means a lot! Have a good weekend!
There are now two SAMP/T in Ukraine. The first one source by France and Italy, the second one all by Italy.
The cost ofveach system was about Euro 700 millions.
The funny thing is, the European gear doesn't even necessarily need to be world beating (I.e. Decidedly better or even equivalent to us equipment). It just needs to be better than what the Russians can field, which generally it already is....
The industry has a lot of latitude in this regard and even without the kind of defence economic base the us has it surely could be relatively competitive?
If USA stay out of Dodge maybe we in the long run could work some good deals out with Russia and live "peaceful" side by side..
@Oomph6006 that's an odd position to take given the last 15 years of history... Maybe Russia will change track, but the Germans fateful mistake of peace through trade has not been a success. There might be peace but the reason we need a defence industrial base is because of Russia, not America
@ I said `might`. But it wont happen when Putin is around. When The 90s children get to power there is a little chance..
But no countries should put all their eggs in the Russian basket..
@@Oomph6006 Russia should never be trusted to keep any agreement they make. The only thing they respect is strength, and Europe needs to build a defense capability that is completely capable of defending against Russia without any US help. At the moment we cannot do it because Europe lacks the production capacity, but it can be built if there is a will to do so. The Polish leader is correct, never ever trust the Russians, they have been led by a leader who cares about the Russian people for just six years out the last three hundred, and most of them cared even less for right and wrong.
@ No they should not, the same with USA. But we can still make good trades with them. If they stop going to war with their neighbours...
But i hope West companies will stop building factories in Russia in the future..
Just want to comment that the reason the french vehicles are considerable cheaper is that they are based (chassis, engine, suspension and more) on commercial utilitary vehicles available for the civilians. This was done in order to ramp up production in case of open full war, some European combat units also share civilian vehicles components but at this extend, I believe these French vehicles are 60-70% made out of civilian mass produced vehicles.
Dutch guy here, I fully agree that we should buy more European gear, in fact, I've been saying it since Trump's first term as President. Maybe it's time for a real European army, navy and airforce?
A video about the European capabilities with regards to naval products would be great.
+1 Would love to hear who else is ramping up production on Naval vessels. Damen from the Netherlands is apparently getting flooded with orders. Not to mention by the Netherlands themselves, who are fully replacing their fleet bar 1 ship.
Yes make another video about how Europe can take their future security into their own hands, especially how we can integrate our forces in different battle armies. North, center and south
We also have the Archer Artillery system. Most advanced Artillery system in the world.
The units sent to Ukraine is not even the high spec ones. for example i did not see anyone with remote turret on top of the cab. and what i heard the electronics was scaled back to be not as advanced as the once used here due to risk of ending in the wrong hands. and it is still very impressive.
It's in part 1 ;)
Maybe a bit subjective you are. The title "most advanced" probably goes to the RCH 155 at the moment.
Nobody should underestimate how hard and expensive it is to change to another weapon system and how long it takes to integrate it. It's a task for at least a decade to get away from individual US weapon systems. Trump will be long gone by then.
But it doesn't change the fact that the American political system is a flip flop affair. You don't get long term partners who are schizophrenic in their approach to their allies.
But the next Trump is just waiting in the wings. The US has never been a reliable ally. Didn’t you lwarn about WWII? They didn’t join the fight until they were attacked several years after the war started and Canada, the British and Europeans were already eyes-deep in the fight. Not just that but they start illegal wars and then their presidents declare that if their “allies are not with them, they are against them”. No one should be dying over oil. Forget them. The US has never been a beacon of morals or decency.
Make a third video please. Thanks for your brilliant work. Europe has to wake up and your contribution is essential for laymen like me , thanks.
On it!
I've been really enjoying your videos. It certainly is a nice window shopping excursion for my country. I would like to see Canada adopt the CV90 to complement our LAV 6.0's. I think taking the LAV 6 and using it in a reconnaissance role with AV launchers and data gathering would be ideal, while CV90's and tanks work together in battalion level maneuvers. Never going to happen of course, but it's a nice thought
Any of the European IFVs would do the job for you, but the CV90 is a favorite of mine. Just small ease of life stuff which the Swedes just get.
@@MilitaryRated I'm curious if SAAB and BAE could set up a system where CV90's and Gripens can talk to each other like an IFF system
They already do in the Swedish army.
You're going to hate finding out there there is a tracked IFV version of the LAV3/6 that never went anywhere.
@DeathbyDusk I know
I hope Denmark cancels the rest of the ordered F35’s, and from now on only buy from EU ( and Norway)
No you shouldn't. Because Europe wont have a stealth aircraft for the next 10+ years minimum and in this day and age you can't field an airforce without a 5th gen aircraft. We should get independant from the US but it wont work over night. Especially not with combat aircrafts.
@@Micha-qv5uf Stealth is overrated. Europe should buy Eurofighter and Gripen.
@@MalteHah I'm sorry to break it to you but no it's not. Not even close.
@@Micha-qv5uf No. You did not understand battlefield reality.
@@MalteHah What makes you think you do? Do you have an actual argument?
So, it's just getting easier for us europeans by the minute: We do not buy Russian, not chinese and now, we are not buying American.
We buy european and spend the money here instead of spending it with threathening maniacs and meglanomaniacs... simple.
What makes the perfect IFV? Carriage for 11 infantry. A 30+ mm auto cannon. A composite armor capable of withstanding 12.7 mm armor piercing rounds. A top speed of 70 kph on improved roads. IR scopes for night fighting. All at a cost of under $3 million.
As an Italian, I have seen more reliance on European or domestic development programs over the last few years. We will have Panthers, Lynx, Skynex, AW249, more Typhoons, more missiles from MBDA, more SAMP-T systems, more FREMM frigates, more Italian-German derived subs, and the development of the GCAP with UK and Japan. It's about time we limit the procurement of American technology to the F-35s and start boosting our own industry and know-how. Screw Trump.
I hope Canada takes the leads of the Europeans. Makes what it can in house and then look to other markets other than the United States. We could use some more armoured IFV and need a new tank as the Leopard 2 models are getting old. Hopefully we see the Canadian military given more prominence and some European flavour.
I definitely get what you're saying. Unfortunately many of our defense companies have become subsidiaries of American companies. I would like to see more European defense companies setting up supply lines in Canada
@@MikeThepiper naw, mate. You build your own stuff. Us Europeans can help you set up shop with licence production.
May I introduce you to the Leopard 2 A8. If you have a bit more time, you can also consider the KF51 Panther. And if you have even more time you can wait for the MGCS but that is still a bit much in the future I guess.
@@Micha-qv5uf Canada does use the Leopard, I believe our latest variant is the 2A6M. Personally I like the KF51, but I have a feeling they'd go with the A8M at a later date. The best I think would be the Leopard 2 A-RC
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I totally agree that we mainly should rely on EU/europe made equipment, but mixed with a some equipment from friendly countries like US, Canada, Australia, Korea and Japan to keep the market larger, but walk away from mainly use US made equipment.
Actually it has been a problem both with US and Germany limiting the use of longrange weapons in Ukraine so we must keep doors open and avoid totally closing doors.
Its dangerous for Europe to dont have our own alternativs in every weapons category.
En France nous avons tout, besoin de personne pour notre armement et beaucoup de pays européens des qu'ils doivent acheter de l'armement achète américain ou autre mais tout sauf européen et surtout pas Français mis a part la Croatie, la Grèce et la Belgique alors cette Europe là nous Français en avons pas besoin. Frexite et sortie de l'OTAN pour nous . Et nos parapluie nucléaire uniquement pour nous.
Only category at the moment we don't have our own alternative is Naval assets. But I think we can fix that too. Let's give Germany free hands to make ships again if Britain or France don't want to do it. Heck why not Joint German/French/GB Blue water fleet to protect European Interests in the oceans. We have the capacity to build it especially in the northern Europe we just need those orders We build very nice ship just for you. Capable to brake arctic ice as it patrols northern waters.
@@rasehorn I mean Germany makes quite decent submarines and ships.
I think in the Anti-Air department Eurpe is lacking.
@@rasehorn in Naval asset capacity Italy are at the top in Europe and not only in Europe.
Europe is lacking mostly in two military capabilities: Nuclear weapons (and second strike submarines) and aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are not really needed, since we have left our colonial ambitions in the past and only need our military for defense. Nuclear weapons might become an issue though - maybe we need to set up our own procurement here and buy french warheads on European cruise missiles. In all other areas, I think the EU manufactures best in class or close to best in class equipment.
A crime bragging about his own country. I love it. Finnish humor at it's best
Poland's policy has been to balance Russia threat via close cooperation with USA. Multiple reasons, but one major is Germany strong business ties with Russia (see the Baltic gas pipes example or no-decision type of approach to Ukraine war, at least at the beginning). Today the outlook is way different as USA becomes an ally you can't trust too much. I believe the best option is to have very strong military/technology cooperation with Scandinavia. We are sitting in the same boat.
Trump is a fool.
Yes, Boycot USA products. Also no more Boeings … bye bye Trump
As an American I fully support your assessment of the Stryker. It is an ancient thin skinned armored vehicle.
This is the consequence of US going from being an inspirational big brother to a weird unpredictable uncle.
nope don´t reduce the numbers. the more you have, the higher the competition and multiple choices. competition makes the progress
how did I manage to click on a video that is less than a minute online
You're quick!
As a European, I would like to see Canada join the EU.... Its not much further away than GB.. just a little...
Not far from Greenland..
No hate. The North stands together. Love from Rotsi😊