There's something really comforting about being just in your shelter, looking out at whatever the world is doing and having that moment. The stove is on,and food or drink is coming along. It's brilliant.
Interesting conversation. I've looked at the JetBoil systems often but never bought any of their products. I own the Optimus HE Weekender. It's a Heat Exchange Pot and Stove Kit. It functions well and SIMMERING is one of its strengths. I'm very pleased with it and it was much less money than the JetBoil style of stoves comparatively.
Paul, the Soto Windburner is definitely a more powerful burner. But, because of this, it will chew through the gas much quicker than the burner on the Jetboil. Mowser has an excellent Hiking TH-cam Channel. He used the Soto on a multiday hike and ended up going through more than one canister. The Jetboil Stash is really efficient, bringing 250ml of cold water to boil in 2 minutes, and my pot weighs only 146g (131 pot, 15g lid). I use the Stash for water, noodles, and bring a separate pan to heat up vacuum sealed home made meals (you should try this, it's awesome). Thanks for the Channel! Keep up the great content.
I use the Campmaster Ultra Jet II that I got at BCF. It has a locking rigid handle and everything fits securely inside - incl. a 230g fuel canister. It was 1/3 to 1/5 the price of a JetBoil (depending on whether or not JetBoil products are on sale), does the same thing but has a locking rigid handle, holds a full size standard canister (230g) inside it and has a positive locking mechanism that prevents the lid from falling off when packed. The stove works just as well and the savings enabled me to build out a hammock camping setup plus have fancier meals whilst out camping. I also picked up the JetBoil Utensil Set and the Crunch-It tool as they are very reasonably priced and work really well. Had I got the legit JetBoil I wouldn't have the hammock camping setup, nor would I be out camping with fancier meals. Overall, JetBoil gear is great however its hard to justify the price unless its on a good discount due to a sale such as Black Friday or Boxing Day. The modern knock-offs have reached a point that they're basically the same and depending on personal preference, they can offer better features than the legit JetBoil's. Lastly - one thing to remember, ensure that every stove, heater, etc. that has a burner, has a piezo igniter built in. I find it utterly ridiculous that in this modern day, companies would rather save literally $1 by leaving out an igniter, only to try to flog you a separate handheld igniter (at insane prices $80-120).
I have a fire maple fms-x2 and really can’t complain about it. It does everything I want effectively. The piezo sometimes plays up, but there’s always a lighter in the rucksack anyway. Some people want to have to best brand, I understand that, but it boils water and cooks well, I can’t ask for much more.
Some have commented that the Soto WindMaster uses a lot of fuel. When cranked up high, it certainly can be thirsty. However, it is much more efficient at low power (1/3 or 1/4) when used with a heat exchange pot and a Flat Cat Gear Cheetah 7, especially when windy. I use the inexpensive WindSea 800ml HX pot with a 115mm/4.5” diameter titanium lid. I use the 500ml non-HX cup that comes with the pot as a water bath for the fuel canister in cold weather. I also use the MSR LowDown remote stove adapter for better stability.
my father got one of these when i was 13. 23 now and im using the same stove, 10 years and 1 generation down it still works as new. melted the spoon a lil once but that was user error. when it was still new the lighter part went, and he was sent a new one for free, which was fitted at home and has worked for 9 and a bit years since. still rapid to the boil by “modern” standards and still as bombproof as you can get now.
I have a very well used Jetboil Flash, as Paul says, it's great for boiling water, but I'm not hugely keen on the height, it always feels top heavy. But it's been rock sold and I must have owned it for at least 15 years and it's never let me down.
On motorcycle trips I always bring my Trangia with the gas stove. On long sea kayaking trips I bring my Trangia with the multi fuel stove. Trangia is the most fuel sufficient kit I know. Jetboil is easier to use if you just want a quick cuppa. Trangia is best for cooking.
I've got an original JetBoil PCS that I got, I think, around 2006. It still works great for heating water. I really like the little Trangia Mini for anything else. I really like how flat it is, which is useful when bike packing. Not as quick or efficient but I only do short trips and I find I'm not usually in hurry to boil water. Cooking is soft of an entertainment event when camping.
I have a Trangia 27 and a Mini Trangia. They are superb for cooking, but not so good for using under a tent door flap in bad weather, the flame - for me - is too uncontrollable. With a Jetboil the flame is far more controllable. Still love my Trangias though, there is something about them … 🤗
I bought a petrel and hornet combo for my wife. Excellent bit of kit. My self, I bought a Fire maple 1 litre hx pot to go with my Optimus Crux. Both stoves are fast and save fuel and you don't need to turn them up to full to get a boil in less than two minutes. Still like my alcohol stoves though.
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 jetboil stash pot and stove excluding gas canister support 201g, petrel g3 167g + hornet stove 48g = 215g so slightly more but you can lose that easily elsewhere in your pack for such a huge price saving.
@@Geordiewildcamper i have tried lighter options. But those dont heat up well. The heat is just on one spot. The spread of heat requires some amount of weight or very wide flame.
In most cases you do get what you pay for. I have owned a Mini mo for a few years now, a great pot but I feel that other pots have caught up with Jet boils quality and overtaken in many cases. I have a Fire Maple petrel ultralight. It boils quicker than the jet boil and is less than half the price.
Paul, thanks for the video. Perhaps you need consider one of the pressure regulator versions to test. They have much greater regulation of flame and work better in the cold. The ones you tested focused on flame thrower status (more on off options), versus cooking and cold weather performance. I say this from 15 years using these and other stoves in alpine regions in the southern hemisphere and the Himalaya. Remote canister setups work best in my experience in extreme cold (where you put the canister in the water by virtue of the fuel cable). Have a great day.
Excellent! You are right. I got the Petrel pot for 19 quid and the FM equivalent to soto WM. All together 50 quid and locks in. I also saw a BRS type jet boil for pennies. Anyway minimo stays at home. Good film.
Jetboil Minimo all day, every day for me Paul… all the boiling speed you need and with simmer capability for cooking. Plus ignitor and decent wind resistance…. But you know this already Paul…. As your previous videos on the minimo made my choice. Since owning the minimo i havn’t thought about replacing with any other stove system…. However if Jetboil ever release a full non-stick version, then that might make me part with some more cash… Cheers Paul. Mark 👍
My Jetboil Mighty Mo burner (like a Pocket Rocket) wouldn’t vaporize on a very cold morning. Normally it’s great. I pulled out my Fancy Feast diy alcohol stove and made breakfast. Yes it’s slower but I was glad I packed a few ounces of alcohol and a 1 oz stove as backup at 6500 feet. The Caldera cone is amazing in wind since it’s enclosed.
I’ve got a couple of the fire maple heat exchanger pots, one with a complete base and the Petrel, with the cutouts. I used the compete base one with a PR2 on Dartmoor last time and the difference between that and a non-exchanger pot is really noticeable. Unfortunately the petrel doesn’t fit nicely on a three pronged support where the supports aren’t angled straight through the centre, so no good with something like one of the 25g BRS - there’s just not enough width to the gaps. I’ve tried it with a Firemaple Hornet and that works perfectly. Though a tight fit, I found it also just about fits on a Svea 123R - the only pressurised liquid fuel stove I’d comfortably use in a tent vestibule (prime with alcohol rather than naphtha, mind). Not that it makes much sense to choose a super light pot and then take a solid brass Svea with it!
Owned a Jertboil Sol Ti for 12 years. It is in the car boot emergency kit. For camping use just Firemaple+Toaks, Both substantially smaller+lighter than the Trangia I carried for the preceding 25 years.
I use a MSR Reactor. It’s for water boiling only, but it excels in high winds. It also uses very little gas, which is an advantage. Not cheap though, but I got it quite cheap on sale. Best system I’ve ever used.
I got a primus type jet boil some years ago as a free gift with a subscription to trail magazine. It's absolutely brilliant and never needed another. It also has little pegs on it that can be screwed in to take a frying pan.
180 quid! 25 quid from decathlon for their own brand stove and guess what, it heats up water 😂 I really struggle to understand how anyone can say, "it's worth it" or "you get what you pay for" - it's a stove and although it may be more efficient - gas canisters are about 7 quid 😂
You have a point but not quite true. If you spend 25 quid on a Decathlon product, then that money is spent and gone. Jetboil has strong 2nd hand market value. I had a Jetboil flash for 6 years and still got 60 quid for it 2nd hand on Ebay.
@MrAndRob nah. It's true. That example, you could look at it from this perspective. I spent 25 quid and that's gone. You spent 100 quid, sold it for 60 - the remaining 40 is gone. You're still down more than me.
Long time viewer of the channel here Paul and interesting comments about the pocket rocket 2. I watched one of your comparison videos a few years back and made the decision to purchase the MSR on that video and the fact it was your go to stove at one point. I accept things change though. Never felt the need to get a jetboil as I enjoy cooking meals rather than just boiling water. Great video. 👍
Thanks for your brilliant review, really helped my buying decisions and also helped me give advice to my sons (mainly making them listen to you :) ). Regards, Marc
Yo Paul, it’s me again. Just wrapped up a feast with Rogan Josh, pilau rice, and 3 naans-absolute perfection! Loved the latest video. I feel kinda bad about my last comment now, knowing you’d have already cranked out about 3 more videos since then, haha. Top quality as always! And seriously, I’m not shelling out £120 for a cooker mess kit-you’re living the high life! For now, a windproof lighter will have to do. Or halfords this £10 stove😎🤫 Anyways stay blessed💪🏽 see you tomorrow😂
I've been looking at getting the trusty old Trangia, kinda bulky but rock solid and a selection of pots & a kettle. I need my bacon in the morning on a walk.
I’ve got a flash and I love it as a brew system, it’s not a cooking system. - try frying a sausage on it. I’m actually just looking at getting a system for my daughter. I may well buy her the Alp kit (there was no other option when I got mine). I wish jet boil did more pans that connected to the flash and it did good simmering. Some of us like to cook not just pour water into a bag of dehydrated food.
Another nice and personal review, thanks. Have you tried using the soto windmaster with it’s three bladed pot support ? Would that fit into the same slots underneath the pan as the jetboil ? The three bladed windmaster pot support is lighter, luckily my soto wind master came with both supports. Its the best stove that I have had. I use it either with a standard Ti pot, or for long trips where I want to preserve gas, I use a heat exchanger pot which although slightly heavier is more efficient and means I can get a couple of extra days use from a single canister on a 7 to 9 day trip. Much lighter than taking an extra gas canister.
I have the much cheaper Planet X version and I am entirely happy with it's performance. The added bonus is it comes with a pot stand that can be used to place a frying pan over the burner, or other pots making for a versatile system. I am not aware of Jetboil offering that option.
any one remember just plain gaz stove blue or red when you could light the thing with a cig ! and took a kettle a frying pan and a pot or if you were rich you got a trangra al the pans you needed and meths
gas stoves like this are fantastic until they stop working! I have been let down in remote areas, and now use trangia meths stoves for multi day hikes in remote areas. There is nothing to fail!
Heat exchanger pots are definitly more efficient than regular pots. I have a Bulin 1.5 liter pot with heat exchanger bottom which fits perfectly on my Redcamp spirit burner and stand (Trangia clone). I can boil a full liter of water on just 1 oz of alcohol.
I get looks because my stoves are both Campingaz ones with the click thing. In my defence I've got a decent titanium pot/cup, the gas is basically the same price, cheaper if you get the massive cans but the main reason was that I got them working at Tesco from the trash after they went off the stock system so going out was just the price of the gas and I've been fine with that. I do think I should upgrade at some point but meh.
I've run a Bluett (Camping Gaz) stove that was bought in 1965 until it died from corrosion then changed to the Clik system. Jetboils are rubbish unless all you do is boil water, I cook food.
I’ve got a Flash and it’s brilliant just for boiling water. Before that I used a Brukit which I still occasionally use. For actual cooking I have a Vango folding stove, ideal for large pans or a mess tin as I like to use. I also have my first ever stove a trusty Campingaz PZ, not very quick but great for cooking with a wider flame. For me 99% of the time I’m just boiling water so the Jetboil works really well. I’ve been considering getting something more compact like the Pocket Rocket 2/Deluxe or Soto, but I think I prefer the all-in-one cook system style.
Paul, have you tried the Soto Amicus inside of that pot? It may fit where the windmaster does not. It is the lil bro of the windmaster and a really good stove as well with or without the igniter.
I got the jetboil flash free from trail magazine a few years ago. It's just another stove I'm my kit. Looking forward to the featherlight 700 stove to be delivered 😁.
Fire maple petrel cup fits my mightymo tidy best of both worlds costing 60 quid total. The 4 way gas stand doesn't fit in so you've got to use the 3 way on off a jet boil flash/zip.
I have the same JetBoil you used in this video. I like it a lot and have no problem with the price, but I do sometimes wish it performed more efficiently in windy conditions.
I wish I had a jetboil last week in high winds on a campsite in Northumberland (not even at the top of a mountain). Took a flat Camping Gaz stove and it took at least 20 minutes to make a brew because of the wind. Will definitely be buying the Jetboil for the next trip and to have something to go in my backpack when I've not got the car boot to carry it. Any suggestions from anyone out there for something for me and my son rather than a single camper?
I’ve had a Zip for a couple of years and it is everything I want - it’s small, boils a mugful of water very quickly and is superb in windy conditions. I didn’t buy it for its speed, I bought it because the small 100g gas canisters do me for 5 - 6 days’ worth of the 3 or 4 brews per day I do when I’m away Brompton bikepacking. I don’t cook, but the Zip does my hot drinks, dehydrated noodles type meals quickly and efficiently every time. I’ve just bought the Stash, seduced by all the hype 🙄 (I’m an idiot) but I can’t think it will be better than the Zip, so it may go on to someone else.
Was just browsing Bergfreunde and there was a jet boil fluxring pot 1.5l for sale. 76 euro reduced from 85. Expensive. And they have the wind burner pot as well for 94 euro.
I’ve got the minimo and the only part I use now is the pot, Jetboil are a waste of money now you can get the same generic pots, what you want to spend your money on is something like the soto windmaster. It’s not that Jetboil products are bad it’s the price and utility of the whole unit, if your going up a mountain or out into the middle of nowhere then great but if you’re off into the woods most of the time don’t bother. Edit: Cleaning, put a bit more water in, put the lid on and let it steam itself clean and then wipe it down.
Hi Paul. Have you had much experience with Primus brand systems? I've got a titanium cup, normal base, and (I think) the Spyder cookset, which came with the stove (long gas line), windbreaker, one plastic bowl and a titanium heat-sink base like the jetboil. It works well, very efficient. But I don't use it as much as I'd like... It's a bit big for hiking, and a bit small for longer camps with the missus. What do you think about Primus gear?
It does seem to be a lot of money to boil some water! I don't speed think is that important when camping as it's about relaxing a taking a bit of time to things. I have a Vango stove (£14) and a Tesco aluminium kettle (£3) not very compact, not as versatile but reasonably light and boils water. Another good video.
I'm ok with waiting a little for my pot to boil as I enjoy the stunning views, I use a pathfinder ti stove that's the same as a brs 3000t, and a evernew ti cup, Weighs in at 80g
Even if Jetboil were the world's greatest stove set up, with so many much more affordable comparable stove, and affordable other types of stove, I don't see myself ever buying, and I think it is the same for a lot of other people too. This is not a reflection on how good the Jetboil might be.
Jetboils are well made, well thought out, and reflect the premium price you pay with the quality of the parts and the way they interact and are used - love the integration of the setup. Worth the money if the Jetboil is for you. When I returned to the fells a couple of years ago I bought a Jetboil with a frying pan. And they are still in the box, unused. Why? One word - Trangia. I love the peace and quiet of my Trangia, and these days my attitude is 'why rush' so no requirement to boil water in five seconds; I am happy to wait five minutes.
If you run the Jetboil at the lowest setting, it is as quiet as a Trangia and will take 5 minutes to boil. No-one HAS to turn it up to get that roar! I have both Jetboil and Trangia. The Trangia’s flame is too unpredictable and uncontrollable inside a tent for me.
👍👍👍 correct. This obsession with 'speed to boil' has me 🙄. Those 'speed freaks' appear to fail to take 'efficiency' into consideration. A lower heat setting and the corresponding longer time to boil will give one 'more boils' per fuel canister.
I have a Trangia too and I love it. No other camping cooker can produce a stew or curry slow cooked on the Trangia. I like the Jetboil Zip for bike packing when I just want boiling water, and the Trangia for more base camp style trips for proper cooking. And the little kettle is soooo cute ❤️
The thing that Jetboil have over the competition is the gas valve, which is much more adjustable than on other brands. Everything else... There's not really much in it. You can find similar quality, similar performance, similar features. But I'm not sure you can find the entire package for less money.
I bought the AlpKit Bru Kit a few years ago and it's great for the price. Main issue with it though it's a bit too big (1 Litre pot size) for solo bike packing trips, which is what I originally got it for, now just use it for car camping trips. Shame they don't do a 500-600ml size one.
When I started wild camping just under 3 years ago I bought a cheap Odoland cook set off Amazon for about £20 and thought it would do for the first year before upgrading. I'm still using it now and it works perfectly fine even in winter conditions.
I was just about to buy the OEX Heiro + gas cannister stand -- and then I stumbled on a brand new (0.8 litre) Jetboil Micromo for £85 on Ebay, which includes the pot support. If it wasn't for the bargain price I wouldn't have bothered, but it is a great stove. The only complaint really, is that the lid isn't a really tight fit - fine for boiling, but not so great for stowage.
Hi Paul, love watching your videos by the way! I was wondering if you could use a heat exchange pot with an alcohol stove. I love the peace and quiet you get and I’m not that bothered about the wait although it would be nice if boiling water was a little quicker. Have you tried it?
I own a Flash..happy with it, but, I find cooking in the Flash not good, it’s too thin on the bottom, and too small to cook anything other than a noodle or mugshot…….but you can buy a pan adapter then it’s much better with some sort of pan for cooking even noodles. I (95% of the time) just boil water in it…it’s very fast, and I would say economical too…thumbs up for the Flash from me🎉
I usually camp in forests, so i don't have much wind to contend with. Never seen the point in a jetboil when my £10 lixada alcohol stove does the job. 😁
Good vid. One more stove and pot. Maybe two or three. Like home built products but there are others. I have many. Still like my Coleman mutifuel mini stoves. Optimus SVEA MSR EGK? strong durable. I like muti fuel capability. I motorcycle round the world or around the mountains so that is really important. Backpack some in winter. To have the heat and fkame captured is very important. The greatest attribute is to perform in wind. Also primarily to boil water. I like to cook. Fry eggs meat toast french toast. Those may not be so suited for that
On a regulator stove, the regulator delivers a lower pressure to the stove as compared to the higher pressure in the fuel can. The stove is designed to operate at this lower pressure. As the pressure in the fuel can drops (due to usage and lower temperatures) it is still above the regulated pressure so the stove still operates properly. Only when the can is nearly empty, or when it is quite cold, does the pressure in the fuel can drop below the regulator pressure, causing the stove to operate with less output. Thus, for most of the life of the fuel can, and across all but the coldest temperatures, the stove operates at full efficiency.
I don't think I'd buy a Jetboil but I'd maybe buy something like the OEX version. My main reason would be for trying to get away with only needing one 230g gas cannister on a 6 to 7 days trip. But I love my current stove, the whole cookset including the stove was less than £20.
Am not going to get into the pros and cons debate .. there is plenty in the comments section thereon. Pricing? Inter alia, 'what the market is prepared to tolerate'.
Try planetx cook system in their sale. I have used mine for over 5 years no problem. I bought it to replace an alpkit brew kit which my wife has in her car now. Jet boil is good but way over priced PlanetX cook system is about 26 pounds in their sale.
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There's something really comforting about being just in your shelter, looking out at whatever the world is doing and having that moment. The stove is on,and food or drink is coming along. It's brilliant.
Why am I watching 22 minutes of Paul playing with stoves...???🤔😄... Because I love playing with stoves too...!🤣👍
Stove? It’s a kettle!
👍👍👍 .. Spot On!
Never seen anyone make a fry up in a kettle
Interesting conversation. I've looked at the JetBoil systems often but never bought any of their products. I own the Optimus HE Weekender. It's a Heat Exchange Pot and Stove Kit. It functions well and SIMMERING is one of its strengths. I'm very pleased with it and it was much less money than the JetBoil style of stoves comparatively.
spot on review...
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Paul, the Soto Windburner is definitely a more powerful burner. But, because of this, it will chew through the gas much quicker than the burner on the Jetboil. Mowser has an excellent Hiking TH-cam Channel. He used the Soto on a multiday hike and ended up going through more than one canister. The Jetboil Stash is really efficient, bringing 250ml of cold water to boil in 2 minutes, and my pot weighs only 146g (131 pot, 15g lid). I use the Stash for water, noodles, and bring a separate pan to heat up vacuum sealed home made meals (you should try this, it's awesome). Thanks for the Channel! Keep up the great content.
How about using roughly 60% power on windmaster? should do the trick. Still has the versatility of more power and wind resistance.
I use the Campmaster Ultra Jet II that I got at BCF. It has a locking rigid handle and everything fits securely inside - incl. a 230g fuel canister. It was 1/3 to 1/5 the price of a JetBoil (depending on whether or not JetBoil products are on sale), does the same thing but has a locking rigid handle, holds a full size standard canister (230g) inside it and has a positive locking mechanism that prevents the lid from falling off when packed. The stove works just as well and the savings enabled me to build out a hammock camping setup plus have fancier meals whilst out camping. I also picked up the JetBoil Utensil Set and the Crunch-It tool as they are very reasonably priced and work really well.
Had I got the legit JetBoil I wouldn't have the hammock camping setup, nor would I be out camping with fancier meals. Overall, JetBoil gear is great however its hard to justify the price unless its on a good discount due to a sale such as Black Friday or Boxing Day. The modern knock-offs have reached a point that they're basically the same and depending on personal preference, they can offer better features than the legit JetBoil's.
Lastly - one thing to remember, ensure that every stove, heater, etc. that has a burner, has a piezo igniter built in. I find it utterly ridiculous that in this modern day, companies would rather save literally $1 by leaving out an igniter, only to try to flog you a separate handheld igniter (at insane prices $80-120).
I have a fire maple fms-x2 and really can’t complain about it. It does everything I want effectively. The piezo sometimes plays up, but there’s always a lighter in the rucksack anyway. Some people want to have to best brand, I understand that, but it boils water and cooks well, I can’t ask for much more.
Some have commented that the Soto WindMaster uses a lot of fuel. When cranked up high, it certainly can be thirsty. However, it is much more efficient at low power (1/3 or 1/4) when used with a heat exchange pot and a Flat Cat Gear Cheetah 7, especially when windy. I use the inexpensive WindSea 800ml HX pot with a 115mm/4.5” diameter titanium lid. I use the 500ml non-HX cup that comes with the pot as a water bath for the fuel canister in cold weather. I also use the MSR LowDown remote stove adapter for better stability.
my father got one of these when i was 13. 23 now and im using the same stove, 10 years and 1 generation down it still works as new. melted the spoon a lil once but that was user error. when it was still new the lighter part went, and he was sent a new one for free, which was fitted at home and has worked for 9 and a bit years since. still rapid to the boil by “modern” standards and still as bombproof as you can get now.
I have a very well used Jetboil Flash, as Paul says, it's great for boiling water, but I'm not hugely keen on the height, it always feels top heavy.
But it's been rock sold and I must have owned it for at least 15 years and it's never let me down.
On motorcycle trips I always bring my Trangia with the gas stove. On long sea kayaking trips I bring my Trangia with the multi fuel stove. Trangia is the most fuel sufficient kit I know. Jetboil is easier to use if you just want a quick cuppa. Trangia is best for cooking.
Trangia is also much quieter!
I've got an original JetBoil PCS that I got, I think, around 2006. It still works great for heating water. I really like the little Trangia Mini for anything else.
I really like how flat it is, which is useful when bike packing. Not as quick or efficient but I only do short trips and I find I'm not usually in hurry to boil water. Cooking is soft of an entertainment event when camping.
I have a Trangia 27 and a Mini Trangia. They are superb for cooking, but not so good for using under a tent door flap in bad weather, the flame - for me - is too uncontrollable. With a Jetboil the flame is far more controllable. Still love my Trangias though, there is something about them … 🤗
I use a Fire Maple with my Trangia. A lot faster than normal pots.
Had my jetboil flash years it’s never let me down…when it’s packed it is a little bit heavy but I can live with that….
Fire maple Petrel G3 pot and stove kit
Do you know how they compare regarding to weight?
I bought a petrel and hornet combo for my wife. Excellent bit of kit. My self, I bought a Fire maple 1 litre hx pot to go with my Optimus Crux.
Both stoves are fast and save fuel and you don't need to turn them up to full to get a boil in less than two minutes.
Still like my alcohol stoves though.
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 jetboil stash pot and stove excluding gas canister support 201g, petrel g3 167g + hornet stove 48g = 215g so slightly more but you can lose that easily elsewhere in your pack for such a huge price saving.
@@danielreed4282 👍 merci!
The other benefit of the Petrel is that as long as it has a compatible tri support you can use it with a remote stove setup.
Petrel G3 has superior wind resistance and is really fast. If speed is your thing. 👍
The jetboil summit skillet is awesome even if you are not using jetboil stove. It warms up very evenly.
It's great but a bit heavy, I use it though 👍
@@Geordiewildcamper i have tried lighter options. But those dont heat up well. The heat is just on one spot. The spread of heat requires some amount of weight or very wide flame.
This has been on my wishlist for a while now. I was looking at the Fire Maple one, but keep going back to the Jetboil skillet due to the good reviews.
In most cases you do get what you pay for. I have owned a Mini mo for a few years now, a great pot but I feel that other pots have caught up with Jet boils quality and overtaken in many cases. I have a Fire Maple petrel ultralight. It boils quicker than the jet boil and is less than half the price.
Thanks just ordered 1
Hi Paul, FYI you can buy the JetBoil 1.5 ltr Fluxring cooking pot by itself. It retails around £59. 😊
Paul, thanks for the video.
Perhaps you need consider one of the pressure regulator versions to test. They have much greater regulation of flame and work better in the cold. The ones you tested focused on flame thrower status (more on off options), versus cooking and cold weather performance. I say this from 15 years using these and other stoves in alpine regions in the southern hemisphere and the Himalaya.
Remote canister setups work best in my experience in extreme cold (where you put the canister in the water by virtue of the fuel cable).
Have a great day.
Excellent! You are right. I got the Petrel pot for 19 quid and the FM equivalent to soto WM. All together 50 quid and locks in. I also saw a BRS type jet boil for pennies. Anyway minimo stays at home. Good film.
Jetboil style pot with alcohol burner. Thats my jam
Jetboil Minimo all day, every day for me Paul… all the boiling speed you need and with simmer capability for cooking. Plus ignitor and decent wind resistance…. But you know this already Paul…. As your previous videos on the minimo made my choice. Since owning the minimo i havn’t thought about replacing with any other stove system…. However if Jetboil ever release a full non-stick version, then that might make me part with some more cash… Cheers Paul. Mark 👍
Jet boil mini mo does it for me but I've never had anything else ..it just works .
My Jetboil Mighty Mo burner (like a Pocket Rocket) wouldn’t vaporize on a very cold morning. Normally it’s great. I pulled out my Fancy Feast diy alcohol stove and made breakfast. Yes it’s slower but I was glad I packed a few ounces of alcohol and a 1 oz stove as backup at 6500 feet. The Caldera cone is amazing in wind since it’s enclosed.
I’ve got a couple of the fire maple heat exchanger pots, one with a complete base and the Petrel, with the cutouts. I used the compete base one with a PR2 on Dartmoor last time and the difference between that and a non-exchanger pot is really noticeable. Unfortunately the petrel doesn’t fit nicely on a three pronged support where the supports aren’t angled straight through the centre, so no good with something like one of the 25g BRS - there’s just not enough width to the gaps. I’ve tried it with a Firemaple Hornet and that works perfectly. Though a tight fit, I found it also just about fits on a Svea 123R - the only pressurised liquid fuel stove I’d comfortably use in a tent vestibule (prime with alcohol rather than naphtha, mind). Not that it makes much sense to choose a super light pot and then take a solid brass Svea with it!
Great Video Paul... I like your none biased approach even though you admit to being a Jetboil 'fanboy' to an extent ...Well done that man
Owned a Jertboil Sol Ti for 12 years. It is in the car boot emergency kit. For camping use just Firemaple+Toaks,
Both substantially smaller+lighter than the Trangia I carried for the preceding 25 years.
I use a MSR Reactor. It’s for water boiling only, but it excels in high winds. It also uses very little gas, which is an advantage. Not cheap though, but I got it quite cheap on sale. Best system I’ve ever used.
I got a primus type jet boil some years ago as a free gift with a subscription to trail magazine. It's absolutely brilliant and never needed another. It also has little pegs on it that can be screwed in to take a frying pan.
I got one of these too (an ETA Lite) based on an old review of Paul's. Cracking fairly compact stove
Hi Paul, now I know more than I ever knew about stoves. Thanks for the video 😺
180 quid!
25 quid from decathlon for their own brand stove and guess what, it heats up water 😂
I really struggle to understand how anyone can say, "it's worth it" or "you get what you pay for" - it's a stove and although it may be more efficient - gas canisters are about 7 quid 😂
You have a point but not quite true.
If you spend 25 quid on a Decathlon product, then that money is spent and gone.
Jetboil has strong 2nd hand market value. I had a Jetboil flash for 6 years and still got 60 quid for it 2nd hand on Ebay.
@MrAndRob nah. It's true.
That example, you could look at it from this perspective.
I spent 25 quid and that's gone.
You spent 100 quid, sold it for 60 - the remaining 40 is gone.
You're still down more than me.
The windmaster with the tri support fits perfectly with the firemaple petrel.
Long time viewer of the channel here Paul and interesting comments about the pocket rocket 2. I watched one of your comparison videos a few years back and made the decision to purchase the MSR on that video and the fact it was your go to stove at one point.
I accept things change though. Never felt the need to get a jetboil as I enjoy cooking meals rather than just boiling water. Great video. 👍
Thanks for your brilliant review, really helped my buying decisions and also helped me give advice to my sons (mainly making them listen to you :) ). Regards, Marc
Yo Paul, it’s me again. Just wrapped up a feast with Rogan Josh, pilau rice, and 3 naans-absolute perfection! Loved the latest video. I feel kinda bad about my last comment now, knowing you’d have already cranked out about 3 more videos since then, haha. Top quality as always! And seriously, I’m not shelling out £120 for a cooker mess kit-you’re living the high life! For now, a windproof lighter will have to do. Or halfords this £10 stove😎🤫
Anyways stay blessed💪🏽 see you tomorrow😂
I've been looking at getting the trusty old Trangia, kinda bulky but rock solid and a selection of pots & a kettle. I need my bacon in the morning on a walk.
Thanks for sharing your experience and opinions. Be well and stay safe!
I’ve got a flash and I love it as a brew system, it’s not a cooking system. - try frying a sausage on it. I’m actually just looking at getting a system for my daughter. I may well buy her the Alp kit (there was no other option when I got mine). I wish jet boil did more pans that connected to the flash and it did good simmering. Some of us like to cook not just pour water into a bag of dehydrated food.
Another nice and personal review, thanks. Have you tried using the soto windmaster with it’s three bladed pot support ? Would that fit into the same slots underneath the pan as the jetboil ? The three bladed windmaster pot support is lighter, luckily my soto wind master came with both supports. Its the best stove that I have had. I use it either with a standard Ti pot, or for long trips where I want to preserve gas, I use a heat exchanger pot which although slightly heavier is more efficient and means I can get a couple of extra days use from a single canister on a 7 to 9 day trip. Much lighter than taking an extra gas canister.
i love my jetboil flash for on the go quick brews but also heating up wayfarers meals too and how it all packs inside itself is great
I have the much cheaper Planet X version and I am entirely happy with it's performance. The added bonus is it comes with a pot stand that can be used to place a frying pan over the burner, or other pots making for a versatile system. I am not aware of Jetboil offering that option.
any one remember just plain gaz stove blue or red when you could light the thing with a cig ! and took a kettle a frying pan and a pot or if you were rich you got a trangra al the pans you needed and meths
gas stoves like this are fantastic until they stop working! I have been let down in remote areas, and now use trangia meths stoves for multi day hikes in remote areas. There is nothing to fail!
Heat exchanger pots are definitly more efficient than regular pots. I have a Bulin 1.5 liter pot with heat exchanger bottom which fits perfectly on my Redcamp spirit burner and stand (Trangia clone). I can boil a full liter of water on just 1 oz of alcohol.
I love my new OEX one, way faster than the Fire Maple. Oooh ,is that the OEX I won in your comp 😊
I get looks because my stoves are both Campingaz ones with the click thing.
In my defence I've got a decent titanium pot/cup, the gas is basically the same price, cheaper if you get the massive cans but the main reason was that I got them working at Tesco from the trash after they went off the stock system so going out was just the price of the gas and I've been fine with that.
I do think I should upgrade at some point but meh.
I've run a Bluett (Camping Gaz) stove that was bought in 1965 until it died from corrosion then changed to the Clik system. Jetboils are rubbish unless all you do is boil water, I cook food.
I’ve got a Flash and it’s brilliant just for boiling water. Before that I used a Brukit which I still occasionally use. For actual cooking I have a Vango folding stove, ideal for large pans or a mess tin as I like to use. I also have my first ever stove a trusty Campingaz PZ, not very quick but great for cooking with a wider flame. For me 99% of the time I’m just boiling water so the Jetboil works really well. I’ve been considering getting something more compact like the Pocket Rocket 2/Deluxe or Soto, but I think I prefer the all-in-one cook system style.
Paul, have you tried the Soto Amicus inside of that pot? It may fit where the windmaster does not. It is the lil bro of the windmaster and a really good stove as well with or without the igniter.
I got the jetboil flash free from trail magazine a few years ago. It's just another stove I'm my kit. Looking forward to the featherlight 700 stove to be delivered 😁.
Jetboil is the perfect example of the emperors new clothes. Expensive and limited.
Fire maple petrel cup fits my mightymo tidy best of both worlds costing 60 quid total. The 4 way gas stand doesn't fit in so you've got to use the 3 way on off a jet boil flash/zip.
I have the same JetBoil you used in this video. I like it a lot and have no problem with the price, but I do sometimes wish it performed more efficiently in windy conditions.
The Soto WindMaster 4-Plex and a Flat Cat Gear Cheetah 7 wind guard will work beautifully with the JetBoil pot in the wind.
I wish I had a jetboil last week in high winds on a campsite in Northumberland (not even at the top of a mountain). Took a flat Camping Gaz stove and it took at least 20 minutes to make a brew because of the wind. Will definitely be buying the Jetboil for the next trip and to have something to go in my backpack when I've not got the car boot to carry it. Any suggestions from anyone out there for something for me and my son rather than a single camper?
I've got the bigger fire maple stove. X2. Can you also use the smaller pots etc from e.g. the X1 on the same burner?
I've had an early jet boil for around 15 years, the starter doesn't work now and the gas diffuser keeps falling apart but I still use it regularly.
Luv my minimo!!!!!
I’ve had a Zip for a couple of years and it is everything I want - it’s small, boils a mugful of water very quickly and is superb in windy conditions. I didn’t buy it for its speed, I bought it because the small 100g gas canisters do me for 5 - 6 days’ worth of the 3 or 4 brews per day I do when I’m away Brompton bikepacking. I don’t cook, but the Zip does my hot drinks, dehydrated noodles type meals quickly and efficiently every time. I’ve just bought the Stash, seduced by all the hype 🙄 (I’m an idiot) but I can’t think it will be better than the Zip, so it may go on to someone else.
Was just browsing Bergfreunde and there was a jet boil fluxring pot 1.5l for sale.
76 euro reduced from 85.
Expensive.
And they have the wind burner pot as well for 94 euro.
I’ve got the minimo and the only part I use now is the pot, Jetboil are a waste of money now you can get the same generic pots, what you want to spend your money on is something like the soto windmaster. It’s not that Jetboil products are bad it’s the price and utility of the whole unit, if your going up a mountain or out into the middle of nowhere then great but if you’re off into the woods most of the time don’t bother.
Edit: Cleaning, put a bit more water in, put the lid on and let it steam itself clean and then wipe it down.
Hi Paul. Have you had much experience with Primus brand systems?
I've got a titanium cup, normal base, and (I think) the Spyder cookset, which came with the stove (long gas line), windbreaker, one plastic bowl and a titanium heat-sink base like the jetboil.
It works well, very efficient. But I don't use it as much as I'd like... It's a bit big for hiking, and a bit small for longer camps with the missus. What do you think about Primus gear?
It does seem to be a lot of money to boil some water! I don't speed think is that important when camping as it's about relaxing a taking a bit of time to things. I have a Vango stove (£14) and a Tesco aluminium kettle (£3) not very compact, not as versatile but reasonably light and boils water. Another good video.
I'm ok with waiting a little for my pot to boil as I enjoy the stunning views, I use a pathfinder ti stove that's the same as a brs 3000t, and a evernew ti cup, Weighs in at 80g
Even if Jetboil were the world's greatest stove set up, with so many much more affordable comparable stove, and affordable other types of stove, I don't see myself ever buying, and I think it is the same for a lot of other people too.
This is not a reflection on how good the Jetboil might be.
Makes me think, would a heat exchanger pot work with an alcohol stove to deliver improvements in boil time, and possibly efficiency?
Yes it would. I’ve tried this with a trangia and it reduces boil times dramatically
Jetboils are well made, well thought out, and reflect the premium price you pay with the quality of the parts and the way they interact and are used - love the integration of the setup. Worth the money if the Jetboil is for you.
When I returned to the fells a couple of years ago I bought a Jetboil with a frying pan. And they are still in the box, unused. Why? One word - Trangia.
I love the peace and quiet of my Trangia, and these days my attitude is 'why rush' so no requirement to boil water in five seconds; I am happy to wait five minutes.
If you run the Jetboil at the lowest setting, it is as quiet as a Trangia and will take 5 minutes to boil. No-one HAS to turn it up to get that roar! I have both Jetboil and Trangia. The Trangia’s flame is too unpredictable and uncontrollable inside a tent for me.
👍👍👍 correct.
This obsession with 'speed to boil' has me 🙄.
Those 'speed freaks' appear to fail to take 'efficiency' into consideration.
A lower heat setting and the corresponding longer time to boil will give one 'more boils' per fuel canister.
@@pootlingalong8928 I don't cook in my tent however I also don't see any issues with the flame - for me it just works.
I have a Trangia too and I love it. No other camping cooker can produce a stew or curry slow cooked on the Trangia. I like the Jetboil Zip for bike packing when I just want boiling water, and the Trangia for more base camp style trips for proper cooking. And the little kettle is soooo cute ❤️
If your after a jet boil, buy a fire maple.
I love looking at stoves. 😊
The thing that Jetboil have over the competition is the gas valve, which is much more adjustable than on other brands. Everything else... There's not really much in it. You can find similar quality, similar performance, similar features. But I'm not sure you can find the entire package for less money.
I have two of the fire maple stoves.
I bought the AlpKit Bru Kit a few years ago and it's great for the price. Main issue with it though it's a bit too big (1 Litre pot size) for solo bike packing trips, which is what I originally got it for, now just use it for car camping trips. Shame they don't do a 500-600ml size one.
Campingmoon stove and petril from fire maple is my favorite, would love to see your review.
Great vid, I love stoves but I need to stop buying! How do you know which ones have a regulator on?
I'm just looking into getting some starter equipment and getting into wild camping, this is very helpful - thanks
Buy a trangia. Much more versatile. At least research them before settling on jet boil.
@@tpr1990 don't waste your money.
When I started wild camping just under 3 years ago I bought a cheap Odoland cook set off Amazon for about £20 and thought it would do for the first year before upgrading. I'm still using it now and it works perfectly fine even in winter conditions.
I was just about to buy the OEX Heiro + gas cannister stand -- and then I stumbled on a brand new (0.8 litre) Jetboil Micromo for £85 on Ebay, which includes the pot support. If it wasn't for the bargain price I wouldn't have bothered, but it is a great stove.
The only complaint really, is that the lid isn't a really tight fit - fine for boiling, but not so great for stowage.
Thanks for video Paul more idea which stove to buy
My JetBoil stove explosion and tent fire has put me off using them
Happened to me
How did it explode
@logangallagher7050 the plastic melted were the burner is on the minimo .up it went
Still on the orange mug 😎😎😎
Hi Paul, love watching your videos by the way! I was wondering if you could use a heat exchange pot with an alcohol stove. I love the peace and quiet you get and I’m not that bothered about the wait although it would be nice if boiling water was a little quicker. Have you tried it?
I didn’t choose the Jetboil because it’s heavier for thru hiking.
I own a Flash..happy with it, but, I find cooking in the Flash not good, it’s too thin on the bottom, and too small to cook anything other than a noodle or mugshot…….but you can buy a pan adapter then it’s much better with some sort of pan for cooking even noodles.
I (95% of the time) just boil water in it…it’s very fast, and I would say economical too…thumbs up for the Flash from me🎉
MSR had a heat exchanger that you put on a pot to use on the Whisperlite or Dragonfly
I usually camp in forests, so i don't have much wind to contend with. Never seen the point in a jetboil when my £10 lixada alcohol stove does the job. 😁
Good vid. One more stove and pot. Maybe two or three. Like home built products but there are others. I have many. Still like my Coleman mutifuel mini stoves. Optimus SVEA MSR EGK? strong durable. I like muti fuel capability. I motorcycle round the world or around the mountains so that is really important. Backpack some in winter. To have the heat and fkame captured is very important. The greatest attribute is to perform in wind. Also primarily to boil water. I like to cook. Fry eggs meat toast french toast. Those may not be so suited for that
Hello Paul can I ask what top have you got on.
I won’t spend the money on Jetboil the OEX Heiro is well Worth the money.
Olicamp XTS
I have bever understood how a regulator improves pressure when the gas is low. Can someone enlighten me?
On a regulator stove, the regulator delivers a lower pressure to the stove as compared to the higher pressure in the fuel can. The stove is designed to operate at this lower pressure. As the pressure in the fuel can drops (due to usage and lower temperatures) it is still above the regulated pressure so the stove still operates properly. Only when the can is nearly empty, or when it is quite cold, does the pressure in the fuel can drop below the regulator pressure, causing the stove to operate with less output. Thus, for most of the life of the fuel can, and across all but the coldest temperatures, the stove operates at full efficiency.
A stove is a stove …I’ve had many can’t say I see much difference I may have to wait an extra min . Not to bothered enjoy the piece
I don't think I'd buy a Jetboil but I'd maybe buy something like the OEX version.
My main reason would be for trying to get away with only needing one 230g gas cannister on a 6 to 7 days trip.
But I love my current stove, the whole cookset including the stove was less than £20.
@@MG-bs5mr lol it is a debate
@@lweleven3423 ?
@@MG-bs5mrcan't beat a 20£ stove set up that you genuinely enjoy using that serves your purpose.❤❤
@@nickhayley 👍
You said no more reviews dont say its not a review please you know it is 😂😅
MSR reactor
What happened to the Jetboil frying pan ??
They disappeared.
paul have you ever bough from Aliexpress?
noobie question here but when you unscrew the gas can, does it not all leak out?
No
They self seal
@@thewhofan1964 thank you 🙏
Soto > Jet Boil
Mostly been disappointed by Jetboil products, besides their ceramic frying pan
looking good paul! have you lost weight?
Am not going to get into the pros and cons debate .. there is plenty in the comments section thereon.
Pricing? Inter alia, 'what the market is prepared to tolerate'.
Or even a Stanley pot over a cheap stove, 3 minutes job done for a third of the price
Try planetx cook system in their sale. I have used mine for over 5 years no problem. I bought it to replace an alpkit brew kit which my wife has in her car now. Jet boil is good but way over priced PlanetX cook system is about 26 pounds in their sale.