We've installed five wall hung toilets in two homes with two general contractors and two plumbers. As the owner, we much prefer the wall hung because they are so much easier to clean around. Even our vacuum/mopping robot can clean underneath unimpeded. We've used Geberit/Duravit and have been very happy. We also went with carriers for 5.5 inch walls, which makes access to the toilet's tank and internals easier for future maintenance. I would not recommend a carrier for a 3.5 inch wall. For GC's, it is important they communicate with the plumber to get the correct height. With floor mount toilets, the owners already selected the fixture, which sets the seat height. Being over 60, we wanted a seat height of 18.5 to 19 inches ("comfort height" for arthritic knees). Since the plumber is typically installing when only the subfloor is in, the plumber needs to know accurately the finished floor elevation to set the right toilet seat height. Owners may need some guidance on selecting the seat height. Both of our plumbers got the seat height wrong on the first try - we checked the carrier at the rough in stage and had to help the plumbers get it right. The GC needs to get the framing correct too. Typically standard framing will get thrown in and then adjusted when the toilet carrier is installed. There is a lot of cantilevered weight on the carrier and it is important it is attached to two full height studs anchored to the top and bottom plates of the wall, and not on a stud scabbed in after adjusting to fit the toilet location. If they try to head off a short stud located for the carrier, that header will get compromised by the holes drilled for the plumbing later. The GC also needs to mark the back wall behind the carrier showing the tank location - so a cabinet installer, or another trade, does not accidentally drill or screw into the back of the tank after sheet rock is up.
Thank you! We will install these in 20 new homes next month. Do you think using 2x4 wall system for a 2x6 wall will be safer and more flexible for plumbing? Thank you!
@@jinliangchen2757 I strongly urge you to only consider 2x6 framing with a carrier made for that depth. The 2x4 carrier system is too cramped inside for easy access. We had the plumber mis-install one of the carriers and it took the Geberit corporate staff coming onsite to show them the flush mechanism was installed incorrectly. To fix it required reaching into the tank, inside the wall, through the access port behind the flush plate. Geberit staff said it was much easier since we had a 2x6 wall carrier. (Geberit customer service in the U.S., has been excellent, by the way.) Plus, there are waste pipes, vent pipes and water supply pipes needed (like with every toilet), and a deeper 2x6 wall allows these to be installed easier. Since our last install was completed in 2022, the three wall toilets we have in the current house have worked flawlessly. I also like they handle very hard city water. Other toilets I've had in the past required regular maintenance of the flush valve with guard water, but these Geberit carriers just keep working.
Currently just finishing off a Toto rough-in... First time doing a residential wall hung toilet. I also installed on additional shut off valve under the sink going to the toilet. It's funny the Toto instructions show the feet sitting on the subfloor and not the stud wall... I thought it was kind of strange but went with it. Good job by the way nice clean install....
Excellent video showing the installation of the tank-less toilet. There is more work involved in installing the tank-less compared to the 2 one-piece toilets I just installed along with toilet seat bidets. The way my 2 bathrooms are configured I don't need the extra 6 - 8 inches you gain from a wall hung toilet. Thank you for your excellent video.
Cannot thank you enough, this one video answered 1000 questions I had mainly can anyone hang residential toilet fit this carrier and you answered that at approximately 13:00 minutes when you're done I really really appreciate it can't wait to see the next video I plan on installing three of these on my new home I'm building in North Carolina
What I like about this Geberit system (UP320/UP720 for us European people) is that they allow future expansion possibilities, like heated seats (if you run electrical line in the marked spot) and water jets (which use the same water valve and doesn't require a wall removal, see the nice plastic tubes on the left). There is even additionals things like air filtering or water air fresheners blocks that fit inside of the push button (called Sigma) system Anyways great product and if installed correctly definitely very sturdy (load tested till 400KG)
Nice 💯 great explanation. Only thing that sucks is that shut off valve. WTX hard water locks up shut off valves so if I was putting these in I'd modify that so it could be easily replaced. Thank You for the Video!
great video, thank you. funny to see so much wood, im picking through so much garbage 2x material that ive started using steel studs and sistering 2x4 strips of plywood for stiffness.
Great video! I wish that USA/Canada understand what a modern house is capable of. What I moved to Canada I was shocked about the poor build quality and outdated utility technology.
Thats true they build House like the first Pilgrim,i work with this System for Decades,Geberit eaven selling Metal Profile for the Wall System in Bathroom and a new Technique for Soundproofing
We installed two Geberit Toilets in our 1948 House. The city inspector asked us to install steel plates on the back side of the plastic water tank, which we did. Our Plumber like our toilets, he installed 4 of them in a house he was remodeling. One of the carpenters drove a few nails with a nail gun into his toilet tank and wished that he had installed the steel plates.
Great video. I just had one installed in my bathroom. Unfortunately the Duravit toilet bowl, when bolted in, left a 1/8” gap between the wall and the back of the toilet. Plus it rocks up and down, when you push down on it. Is this normal, any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.
This ain't normal and means that the threaded rods are sticking out too much and need to be inserted a bit more in the Geberit threads. Normally the hung toilet bowls will clarify the needed rod length (at least they do here in the Netherlands), so check that and hopefully it will end up perfect :)
In germany we only use this System. Well its a german product. They have carrier for everything in your bathroom. At home, I just installed the shower sink. The water goes into the wall aswell. Very cool
the 1/2'" bolts have two options for mounting the bowl (spread) also try using red heads through the bottom plats into the concrete as also its suggested to use " hardy backer" on the wall behind toilet as it wont compress.
Hi there, I am installing a exact same brand … is that any way to change the distance between the water inlet and the drain .. for some reason, the rough in I have is 4 1/2” between the 2” water inlet and 3” outlet but the toilet is 5 1/2” centre to centre.. not sure if I got the rough in wrong or the wrong toilet .? Plz help.
These are whats known as plumbing carrier systems. Normally these types of mounts are found in commercial/large buildings constructed of concrete floors. There are carriers for sinks and toilets. These carrier systems should be mounted with additional steel if its a residential install and ALWAYS anchored to the concrete in commercial settings. If you install one of these systems in a residential home you have to reinforce the walls and floors accordingly because you're not going to have the concrete to give you that strength. Depending on the weight of the individuals sitting on this toilet or leaning on a wall hung sink over time you're asking for problems and the repairs involved can be costly if you're not an experienced plumber or diy person. Especially with a flush system concealed like this. Yeah it looks great and modern in your house but if not done right youre going to have fixtures that are not solid and will leak over time. For this guy not to anchor the bottom feet of this carrier to the concrete I feel is cutting corners. As well as the studs in the wall. Those 2x6's on either side should be sistered at the minimum and not lagged but bolted with all thread with nuts and lockwashers or thread locked. Done properly these carrier systems will/should last a lifetime and they look great and are so much easier to keep clean. Four lousy lag bolts close to the finished surface of the stud doesn't seem sufficient. Think about the leverage on the top lag bolts with a heavy weightload on the commode over time. Speaking to the diy'ers out there
Hi - great video. We are about to get our Geberit tank. We have a 2X6 wall but want to get the 2X4 tank. Do you see any disadvantages in installing a 2X4 unit into a 2X6 wall? Thank you!
way longer then a normal (outdated toilet) i've install tons of these in the netherlands and they lasted a full 30 years without needing any maintenance. after the 30 years the house got remodeled including the toilet.
A lot of work is right , he says it’s simple , it’s far from simple it took me days to fit one of these , the floor mounted one is simple , maybe he meant the floor mounted toilet 🚽 🤨
@@justme6275 Everything that moves can be accessed through the hole behind the push plate. Newer, more efficient flush valves can be retrofitted in older models. I think that by the time the non-moving bits break down the whole room is up for a remodel. ...But yeah you can also get a Geberit Monolith free standing system. They look quite nice! 👍
Beautiful job, I love plumbing
We've installed five wall hung toilets in two homes with two general contractors and two plumbers. As the owner, we much prefer the wall hung because they are so much easier to clean around. Even our vacuum/mopping robot can clean underneath unimpeded. We've used Geberit/Duravit and have been very happy. We also went with carriers for 5.5 inch walls, which makes access to the toilet's tank and internals easier for future maintenance. I would not recommend a carrier for a 3.5 inch wall.
For GC's, it is important they communicate with the plumber to get the correct height. With floor mount toilets, the owners already selected the fixture, which sets the seat height. Being over 60, we wanted a seat height of 18.5 to 19 inches ("comfort height" for arthritic knees). Since the plumber is typically installing when only the subfloor is in, the plumber needs to know accurately the finished floor elevation to set the right toilet seat height. Owners may need some guidance on selecting the seat height. Both of our plumbers got the seat height wrong on the first try - we checked the carrier at the rough in stage and had to help the plumbers get it right.
The GC needs to get the framing correct too. Typically standard framing will get thrown in and then adjusted when the toilet carrier is installed. There is a lot of cantilevered weight on the carrier and it is important it is attached to two full height studs anchored to the top and bottom plates of the wall, and not on a stud scabbed in after adjusting to fit the toilet location. If they try to head off a short stud located for the carrier, that header will get compromised by the holes drilled for the plumbing later.
The GC also needs to mark the back wall behind the carrier showing the tank location - so a cabinet installer, or another trade, does not accidentally drill or screw into the back of the tank after sheet rock is up.
Thank you! We will install these in 20 new homes next month. Do you think using 2x4 wall system for a 2x6 wall will be safer and more flexible for plumbing? Thank you!
@@jinliangchen2757 I strongly urge you to only consider 2x6 framing with a carrier made for that depth. The 2x4 carrier system is too cramped inside for easy access. We had the plumber mis-install one of the carriers and it took the Geberit corporate staff coming onsite to show them the flush mechanism was installed incorrectly. To fix it required reaching into the tank, inside the wall, through the access port behind the flush plate. Geberit staff said it was much easier since we had a 2x6 wall carrier. (Geberit customer service in the U.S., has been excellent, by the way.) Plus, there are waste pipes, vent pipes and water supply pipes needed (like with every toilet), and a deeper 2x6 wall allows these to be installed easier. Since our last install was completed in 2022, the three wall toilets we have in the current house have worked flawlessly. I also like they handle very hard city water. Other toilets I've had in the past required regular maintenance of the flush valve with guard water, but these Geberit carriers just keep working.
Currently just finishing off a Toto rough-in... First time doing a residential wall hung toilet. I also installed on additional shut off valve under the sink going to the toilet. It's funny the Toto instructions show the feet sitting on the subfloor and not the stud wall... I thought it was kind of strange but went with it. Good job by the way nice clean install....
Excellent video showing the installation of the tank-less toilet. There is more work involved in installing the tank-less compared to the 2 one-piece toilets I just installed along with toilet seat bidets. The way my 2 bathrooms are configured I don't need the extra 6 - 8 inches you gain from a wall hung toilet. Thank you for your excellent video.
I thought the title said "Well Hung Toilet"
I was wondering what that looked like
Nice clean install .... for a plumber
Cannot thank you enough, this one video answered 1000 questions I had mainly can anyone hang residential toilet fit this carrier and you answered that at approximately 13:00 minutes when you're done I really really appreciate it can't wait to see the next video I plan on installing three of these on my new home I'm building in North Carolina
Super helpful video, thank you for sharing.
What I like about this Geberit system (UP320/UP720 for us European people) is that they allow future expansion possibilities, like heated seats (if you run electrical line in the marked spot) and water jets (which use the same water valve and doesn't require a wall removal, see the nice plastic tubes on the left).
There is even additionals things like air filtering or water air fresheners blocks that fit inside of the push button (called Sigma) system
Anyways great product and if installed correctly definitely very sturdy (load tested till 400KG)
You saved me, I'm installing 3 of these soon. Ty for this video.
Nice 💯 great explanation. Only thing that sucks is that shut off valve. WTX hard water locks up shut off valves so if I was putting these in I'd modify that so it could be easily replaced. Thank You for the Video!
I normally have used the top hole for the valve, honestly never even thought to drop it off the back. Learned something new!
great video, thank you. funny to see so much wood, im picking through so much garbage 2x material that ive started using steel studs and sistering 2x4 strips of plywood for stiffness.
So does the toilet have a internal vent system or does it still rough in like a regular toilet with a 2" vent?
Great video! I wish that USA/Canada understand what a modern house is capable of. What I moved to Canada I was shocked about the poor build quality and outdated utility technology.
Thats true they build House like the first Pilgrim,i work with this System for Decades,Geberit eaven selling Metal Profile for the Wall System in Bathroom and a new Technique for Soundproofing
We installed two Geberit Toilets in our 1948 House. The city inspector asked us to install steel plates on the back side of the plastic water tank, which we did. Our Plumber like our toilets, he installed 4 of them in a house he was remodeling. One of the carpenters drove a few nails with a nail gun into his toilet tank and wished that he had installed the steel plates.
@stormcachers9511 which gauge steel did you use?
Nail gun may still shoot through the steel. 18gauge steel plate.
I like plates to prevent the homeowner from stabbing screws or nails in
Excellent video sir, very helpful!
Great video. I just had one installed in my bathroom. Unfortunately the Duravit toilet bowl, when bolted in, left a 1/8” gap between the wall and the back of the toilet. Plus it rocks up and down, when you push down on it. Is this normal, any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.
This ain't normal and means that the threaded rods are sticking out too much and need to be inserted a bit more in the Geberit threads.
Normally the hung toilet bowls will clarify the needed rod length (at least they do here in the Netherlands), so check that and hopefully it will end up perfect :)
Thanks for this video, this was extremely helpful!
Look like it will be fun to service how do you replace the valve or fill valve?
In germany we only use this System. Well its a german product.
They have carrier for everything in your bathroom.
At home, I just installed the shower sink. The water goes into the wall aswell. Very cool
Sorry bro but its a Swiss Product wich has eaven the Headquarter is in Switzerland in Rapperswil Jona.
@@johnnyblaze1372 i kmow TH-cam right. Theorie Main selling market is in Germany.
In germany everyone uses this system
the 1/2'" bolts have two options for mounting the bowl (spread) also try using red heads through the bottom plats into the concrete as
also its suggested to use " hardy backer" on the wall behind toilet as it wont compress.
This is the second one for the basement bat. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxOuLt8IL_GxhhaK8DBuKEL-zV0UJVpWZn , works great
Amazingly engineered
Need a few gaskets for bottom of tank inside and outside at base.
What are the best gaskets and any other tips
If you have your drain off the floor (bout a foot), can you turn the 90 that comes with the toilet sideways and plumb out to the drain?
Yes as long as you can maintain the proper pitch
Would be nice to see finished product after drywall … and install of toilet
Hi there, I am installing a exact same brand … is that any way to change the distance between the water inlet and the drain .. for some reason, the rough in I have is 4 1/2” between the 2” water inlet and 3” outlet but the toilet is 5 1/2” centre to centre.. not sure if I got the rough in wrong or the wrong toilet .? Plz help.
Great video question sir , will these work on a 2x4 framing stud ? Or you recommend a 2x6 wall instead ?
I have the same question - looks like probably needs to be the 2 x 6, no?
These are whats known as plumbing carrier systems. Normally these types of mounts are found in commercial/large buildings constructed of concrete floors. There are carriers for sinks and toilets. These carrier systems should be mounted with additional steel if its a residential install and ALWAYS anchored to the concrete in commercial settings. If you install one of these systems in a residential home you have to reinforce the walls and floors accordingly because you're not going to have the concrete to give you that strength. Depending on the weight of the individuals sitting on this toilet or leaning on a wall hung sink over time you're asking for problems and the repairs involved can be costly if you're not an experienced plumber or diy person. Especially with a flush system concealed like this. Yeah it looks great and modern in your house but if not done right youre going to have fixtures that are not solid and will leak over time. For this guy not to anchor the bottom feet of this carrier to the concrete I feel is cutting corners. As well as the studs in the wall. Those 2x6's on either side should be sistered at the minimum and not lagged but bolted with all thread with nuts and lockwashers or thread locked. Done properly these carrier systems will/should last a lifetime and they look great and are so much easier to keep clean. Four lousy lag bolts close to the finished surface of the stud doesn't seem sufficient. Think about the leverage on the top lag bolts with a heavy weightload on the commode over time. Speaking to the diy'ers out there
I totally agree. Those lag bolts into a single 2x6 on either side.... hmmm. This comment was very helpful. Thank you.
Hi - great video. We are about to get our Geberit tank. We have a 2X6 wall but want to get the 2X4 tank. Do you see any disadvantages in installing a 2X4 unit into a 2X6 wall? Thank you!
No disadvantages. Somewhat harder to replace internal parts because there's less space but otherwise the only difference is the framing.
I’m guessing, but I would think the larger unit would hold more water, providing a more powerful flush.
So is it vented just like a normal toilet?
Can a wall hung toilet like that be installed on an exterior wall?
Can this be installed without removing drywall from other side of wall
How much approximately cost installation?
Very helpful 👊
What size are those studs. Looks like 2x6?
Yes, 2x6.
Do you ever need maintenance? How do you get access in the future?
All parts are available through the rectangle box where the flush buttons are.
they won't ever need maintenance, the only thing that may occur is the plastic flush button breaking but it almost never happens.
Can you set a specific height?
Does it come with all the hardware for rough-in ?
Yes, lag bolts and mission coupling for the waste line to transfer to PVC or CI.
What size socket are you using ?
Where is the 2nd part to this video?
No venting?
The sewage line is vented, not the toilet itself.
This was helpful, thanks
Do you have one for finish ??
More a less how long is the life service(maintenance) for these toilets on a residential used.
Thank you
way longer then a normal (outdated toilet) i've install tons of these in the netherlands and they lasted a full 30 years without needing any maintenance. after the 30 years the house got remodeled including the toilet.
Can this be installed on a knee wall? Shower will be behind the knee wall.
Yes. They sell different height units for that.
looks like a lot of work now im reired the kids can do it
I’d say less work than a floor set toilet. Very simple rough-in.
A lot of work is right , he says it’s simple , it’s far from simple it took me days to fit one of these , the floor mounted one is simple , maybe he meant the floor mounted toilet 🚽 🤨
Were are you from sir
wall hung toilets are great but when something goes wrong it will be a major repair...
@@justme6275 Everything that moves can be accessed through the hole behind the push plate. Newer, more efficient flush valves can be retrofitted in older models. I think that by the time the non-moving bits break down the whole room is up for a remodel.
...But yeah you can also get a Geberit Monolith free standing system. They look quite nice! 👍
5 toilets in ONE house? wtf? sister got a pee issues or has 12 kids? lol ..
Wont every “fat” person make it wobble with that weak construction?
Yes, standard is doubling up your framing on either side.