I can appreciate the love for big ten wrestling, but if Norte dame asked to join the big ten the big ten would not under any circumstance make them bring back ANY sport, including wrestling, or even basketball (if they got rid of it). These decisions are based on revenue, and football IS the revenue for the conference (well 90% of it at least). That’s why Kansas coming to the big10 with there basketball program was almost an after thought.
No they should not why because ohio michigan even penn state and Michigan state would beat ND so there is 4 loses already. Yes ND is a good program but would get lose in big ten. They need to join ACC because they probably would win that league half of the time
People who aren't old enough to remember what college football was like don't understand why it was so much better to have many conferences that were small in number and many Independent Schools. It made the regular-season great and Bowl matchups which were far fewer in number far more intriguing
They tried that year’s ago. Unfortunately there are time’s you need to make a decision, stay true to your belief’s, or get forced to give things up. The Big10 tried to force their hand. Much like the academic standard’s, I applaud ND for not buckling, and would be fine with them staying as they are as far as sports.
Even though the video focuses on football, every other Norte Dame team is in the ACC except hockey, since the ACC doesn’t sponsor hockey, their hockey team is in the big ten
Yeah because college hockey revenue is lack there of and the Irish are not about to travel to the east coast that much for hockey while losing money....
@@greysongladney4403 Yea well they did. Hockey East. Those schools did not want to always have to come to the Midwest either. Especially when our hockey rivals of Michigan and MSU etc were right all next to us! Michigans coach had even said how it was a shame their kids would not be getting to play much in that state of the Art Compton Family Ice Arena. We have standard size NHL/NCAA rink and a Olympic size rink. Our Chicago Blackhawks train here also, not to mention all of the highschools who play tournaments there now and open to the public for free skate at times. Big 10 wanted us to be apart of their hockey program as much as we wanted to be. Hell AU out in the desert may even being joining the Big 10 in hockey since moved up to a Div I program and since our conference is the only true conference that recognizes college hockey along with their other sports. I don’t even need to get started on the whole revenue thing because if you know anything about NCAA Div I ice hockey and Compton Ice Arena than you may be surprised how much money it brings in. Nothing will ever bring in more $$ than football at our beloved school, duh. 😉🤙🍀🏈🏒🥅
@@shredhead4604 my sources were Illini coaching staff and old friends who lived in South bend. The Illini can't even get into ncaa cuz no women's team and rink size?? Either way it made sense and was told that for years. I don't really see how playing in multiple conferences is logical for ND. Acc big 10 and independent just seems so messy....
Yup. This is where people will dismissively say, "Well, they can just negotiate out of it." Except: 1. We have yet to see any school even attempt to challenge a GOR in court. 2. Unlike Maryland, who fought the ACC in court over an increased exit fee that they themselves voted against, ND would have to fight against a GOR agreement that they themselves voted *in favor of* - putting ND's lawyers in the unenviable position of arguing why ND should be released from an agreement they personally approved of. 3. The worst case scenario of losing your court battle and having to pay the full penalty (plus court costs) is far worse with a GOR than it is with just a big one-time exit fee. The risk/reward ratio for Maryland made leaving the ACC for the wealthier Big Ten worth it - even it they ended up paying the full exit fee. The risk/reward ratio for ND - potentially losing all of your TV money for a full decade plus? No way! When we're closer to the end of the GOR agreement? Maybe. But now, when it's still more than a decade away? No.
@@koldonn1111 The big 10 didn't play conference championship games for years so you're saying none of those teams were in the big 10 come on all you Notre Dame fans just need to come to the realization that you're not an independent anymore
@@ronniecee2532 Thats a whole ass conference. Difference is that the ACC actually has a Conference Championship game. Notre Dame can't participate in it unless they actually join the conference like they did in the COVID year.
As a notre dame fan I think we stay independent for a long time. If we were to join a conference today though I would want it to be the big 10. Already have long rivalries with Purdue, Mich and Mich state . The OSU ND rivalry would be insane.
As a ND fan, if not joining a conference hurts their national title chances I think they should join the big 10 and play Navy, USC, and Stanford for their non-conference games every year.
Be huge for the B10, does nothing for ND, don't see it ever happening. Not to mention ND can join the ACC or even SEC if they wanted to, why be just another B10 school.
LOL, wouldn't really do anything for the Big10 either. Or the ACC or SEC for that matter. They can hold out all they want, just don't cry when your team gets over looked for a top 4 ranking when you don't play anyone good.
@@jaybird9988 It would be ridiculous $$$ for the B10, which is all they care about, and if there is anyway possible for the playoff committee to get ND in the playoff, ND will be in, that has already been proven.
@@searchergreen9361 Hasn't been proven at all. Also, the Big 10 is the richest conference in all of college football...so why do they need ND? Honestly, both are getting along fine without the other. Just don't pout when your team gets passed over for a playoff spot because you only play one or two ranked teams a year...if that.
@master tron I think I have a better grasp than you. And while ND does bring in top 10 money...so does 4 other schools that are already in the Big 10. The Big 10 is already the richest conference. Not saying they wouldn't take them if they wanted to join...just saying ND doesn't add anything that the Big 10 doesn't already have. But feel free to stick your noses up at everyone else..we couldn't care less if you join 🙄
I think we may see the entire idea of college football conferences change drastically very soon. With the expansion of the FCS, I could see a super-DI conference created. It would be closer to a pro-level competition with about 50-60 of the elite colleges. Now with more money for players available, it would make a lot of sense to reduce the top-tier to those elite powers. This way, a playoff makes more sense, and it would be easier to pick who makes it. Schedule arguments wouldn't really be an issue. You would have to schedule 12 of the 50 or 60 best schools, so everyone would have a tough schedule. Really, the BCS conferences keep expanding, and this looks like where we are headed.
Notre Dame has got to join the Big 10. If they can keep their TV deal with NBC, that would be a huge boost for the conference. I would ditch Maryland, Rutgers (to the ACC) and Nebraska (Big 12), and add the Irish, maybe throw in Pittsburgh and Missouri.
Nah, Nebraska, Mizzou and maybe Colorado need to go back to the Big 12. The experiment with those schools have completely failed. Slutgers and UM need to go to the ACC.
I think Notre Dame should join the Big Ten in all sports but Football. The Irish are already part of the Big Ten in Hockey, so it would be cool to see them play in other sports. They can have the ACC football agreement but with the Big Ten. I am fine with ND being a independent in football, I just want to see them play against more Big Ten Teams.
ND comes to the bargaining table with serious leverage, and they would be best served to use that leverage before it starts to wane when they restructure CFB.
They are in the Big Ten for hockey so the relationship between the two parties isn’t entirely hostile, I still think they stay independent with their ACC deal for the foreseeable future
B1G fans want ND to join, but the ND fanbase has become fiercely independent/anti-B1G. I think that if ND were to join a conference, it would be the ACC, but that would be a poor move for the program long term. With all the changes happening in CFB, ND may have their hand forced and join the B1G out of means for survival, not desire.
Notre Dame is not an independent they are a member of the ACC info if you have to play 5 scheduled games against one conference you're in that conference.
What is wrong with the ACC, they are better basketball and baseball conference than the Big 10. And one could argue a better football conference, when was the last time the Big 10 school won a National Championship not since 2002 Ohio State, the ACC has had 3 in the last 15.
If ND wants to stay independent, that's fine, I get that their entire football brand has been built because of their independence and they don't want to lose that. But if they choose to join the ACC over the Big Ten that would just be a spite move. They have far more history with the Big Ten teams, they are in the heart of Big Ten country, the overall level of competition is higher, and ofc they would bring in way more money in the Big Ten than in the ACC.
They are an "associate" member for Men's Hockey since 2017. Also, Notre Dame joining any conference will only be realized if a) the potential revenue is greater than what they earn/value with NBC currently and b) if the conference alignment/playoff expansion or new super conferences SEC/BG10 break away from the ncaa and require conference affiliation.
@@brandonhuberty8636 Let me rephrase. Notre Dame will only join another conference if the value of their current arrangement is less than the opportunity of joining a conference. Notre Dame does not need to share its bowl/playoff revenue. So what they may be short on as compared to the big conferences in regular season contracts they make up for in the post season payouts so long as they do well in the regular season. As for them moving to the ACC, the ACC's current deal is going to be a fraction of the projected B10 and SEC deal revenues. So much that there is still legitimate speculation that unless the conference can renegotiate they may lose schools to the SEC/B10. Notre Dame currently has no incentive to move until they are forced to via new playoff requirements and/or the conferences make them an offer they can refuse.
@@reverend_wintondupree No, as Brandon noted, ND would already get more revenue if the joined the ACC and pooled/shared than keeping the current NBC revenue to itself. This issue clearly isn't money; I suspect it's pride, tradition, and assurances that all home games are broadcast nationally somewhere. ND only joins a conference if it recognizes that its playoff eligibility is at material risk now or in the future. Its two options are likely joining the ACC soon in a way that keeps it together or joining the B1G some years later.
Great info. As a Bin Ten fan and having attended Ohio State I believe they are a good fit for the big ten. We have them on our schedule for the opener of the 22 season and I believe it's a good thing for both schools. Well, I let you know how I feel about opening the season with them after the game. Haha
Bro as a Michigan fan the b10 beats the shit out of each other every year and then everyone rags on our best teams few losses. Especially in basketball and baseball
If possible they should go back to the Big East. With it no longer being a football conference, it would give them complete scheduling ability and wouldn’t be forced to a 5 game per year contract vs non-football conference opponents.
If they ever join a conference it’s should be a new conference, get penn state, army, navy, Missouri, BYU, Nebraska. UConn , Umass. And ND . Keep some rivalries but play 6 games conference and a championship. Call it the NIC national independents conference. Keep NBC as rights for ND. It would work for the Basketball and Football good mix of blue bloods for both. Army navy game would count as conference game, Mizz and Nebraska back at it every year like old days in the big 12. Navy , ND every year. And BYU, ND every year , they’ve been playing each other last last 25 years. All this would be so dope and makes so much sense . Then there is an even power 6 conferences, expand college playoffs to 6 teams with 2 round 1 byes. Perfect
@@offzach what does having big fan bases have to do with anything? And Rutgers gets that ass beat by everyone in the big ten every year . But you put a team in one of the hugest markets in the county the New England market , Irish…..no they get to go to ND games every other year . Umass would be able to build and recruit better now , power conference. Benifit fire crime
The biggest issue with Notre Dame joining the Big Ten is TV revenue; in particular, football TV revenue. Notre Dame has an exclusive TV contract with NBC to show home football games, and since that revenue goes directly to the school, they have no urgency to share that revenue with the Big Ten, ACC, or any other conference.
While it would be a great geographic and athletic fit. I seriously doubt that Notre Dame wants to hurt its traditions, national branding and independence overall and if forced into a conference. They would probably prefer the ACC as they play more games their and would have a better shot at regularly being in playoff contention. If the Big Ten wants to add 2 more teams to keep pace with the SEC they should add Virginia and North Carolina actually. Both are emerging programs connected to flagship state universities with strong academics and would lock up more recruiting in the south.
As a Carolina fan, I'll take a hard pass on joining the B10. As long as the ACC remains viable, that's where we belong. If it ever fails, I'd prefer the SEC. As we are a Southern school, I'd prefer they be in a conference with other Southern schools.
north carolina probably isnt leaving unless duke/nc state/wake forest join in. tobacco road doesnt want to give up their power. virginia is more likely and would lock up the DMV.
I think another reason they don’t do it is because no since they play 5 ACC opponents every year it’s better for recruiting let’s be honest kids in the Midwest if they are interested in ND they will go there but kids in the Carolinas or on the coast need to see them beat there local schools
I like the content but please watch and read content on delivering information in a smooth and less up and down vocal tone. Great researcher. I would follow you but I need less of the start low at the beginning of a sentence then gradually rise throughout the sentence and end at a low vocal tone on the last word of the sentence. The Big Ten would immediately become a contender for the most powerful conference in the nation with a UND addition. I only become hesitant when I realize the loss of schedule flexibility the Irish would suffer. The thought of rarely playing Miami, USC, Stanford, and Navy solidifies my stance in the Individual conference. Our recruiting reach would decrease as well as we are not playing in states outside of the midwest as often. Keep it up and Go Irish!
Notre Dame is pretty much locked in to the ACC until 2035 or so (or whenever the existing ACC contract with ESPN expires), so this ND to the B1G is pretty much a non starter.
As a Notre Dame fan I would like us to join a conference. Either the Big 10 or the ACC would be very good conferences for us to join. I think if we do join a conference it would likely be the ACC, because of the history with the Big 10 and the fact all of the other sports at Notre Dame are in the ACC.
It makes the MOST sense! The Catholics should do the Christian thing and forgive the Big Ten and join the conference they should always have been a part of.
Had never looked into the matter so had always assumed that ND would eventually end up in the B1G if anywhere. After following this realignment story, no longer so sure. Considered the old grudges a silly reason due to time and sophisticated parties, but the history presented by you seems more substantial. The pluses for the B1G really just boils down to geography and the current revenue difference, while those for the ACC are more diverse schools (public and private, secular and religious), similar or better academic schools than the B1G, better recruiting footprint, a footprint with a growing rather than static population, and maintaining more of a national brand rather than becoming just another Midwest team.
I don't mean to break it too you but the Big Ten schools are considered the best academically of any conference in the country out side the Ivy League.
@@freeclimb5487 I hate to break it to you, but the ACC actually has the best average academic ranking of all the Power 5 conferences, which would include the B1G. The list I saw was close (~10 rank difference), but the ACC still was higher. I consider it a push/tie for these discussions.
ND won't join a conference.They don't need to. Probably the only team for which that's true. That said, if they did join a conference, they should join the B10, but they'd probably join the ACC. Great content as always!!
Alabama and Clemson don't need conferences. But ND does need a conference -- no wins this season against a team that made the final rankings. They can't finish the season with the likes of unranked Georgia Tech and Stanford and not have a conference championship game. That's why they were 11-1 and on the outside looking in this year. Expect more of it.
United 12 Conference: East- Notre Dame, Boston College, Miami, Army, Navy, and Tulane. West- Rice, SMU, Air Force, BYU, USC, and Stanford. All private schools or service academies, with big markets and/or fan base, football recruiting hotbeds, and longstanding rivalries with higher level academics.
Just make it all 18 private fbs schools. There are 9 western and 9 eastern that can form a national conference. They can call it the Big Ivy to stroke their own egos.
I know Notre Dame in football will always want to be an independent, for many reasons, one is money. I would love, and it would make sense for Notre Dame to join the Big 10 in all sports including football. I believe sometimes it would be an advantage for Notre Dame to have played and win a conference championship game to try to get in a four team playoff, but I don’t think the Big 10 can afford them. ESPN and the SEC is building a super conference, possibly a new division in college football, like a new college league, they may expand to get the cream of the crop from all power five conferences including the Big Ten, and at that point, Notre Dame will have to join, or be left behind. If that happens, it will be a few TV deals into the future, and again, it’s all about the money.
Well if ND joins any conference between now and 2035 they are contractually obligated to join the ACC. As a Notre Dame fan who grew up in South Bend. I think The ACC is a much better fit for the school academically and culturally. Notre Dame is a small private school with an undergraduate enrollment of 8,000 students. The University’s needs wouldn’t be understood by a bunch of Enormous state schools.
I am a ND fan. And we don't want to and never will join a conference. Nothing to do with most of the Big 10. I miss are games with MS and PU. And injoy games with all other Big 10 teams. Except Michigan. Thay can jump off a cliff for all i care. But are Independents is our identity now. An it is the most important thing we have. Why would we want to be part of something. When we are the only thing. I hope you understand. You did a fine job on this pice. And you were honest. That is important. Thank you Go Irish. PS I can tell you that 80 percent of ND fans would tell you. If they were not ND fans . We would be Michigan State fans. I know it sounds crazy. But just ask us.
I didn't know the history of the Big Ten voting to keep ND out of the Big Ten. What did they expect when they would eventually change their mind. Although Delaney messed up Ohio State getting another National Championship with Clarett trying to get ND into the Big Ten would've been good
I did a USC to the big ten video last year (th-cam.com/video/Ss9bACGqPnQ/w-d-xo.html) and have plans for unc, Oregon, Virginia, ucla among others. I’m having a lot of fun making these videos
@@EmbracetheGrind I've heard a report that prior failed talks have been renewed to pull UVA/UNC, a legal strategy is already in place to challenge the GOR, and invites are pending their decision to leave.
Its time a team like notre dame plays in a real conference and shows that they can play with the big guys instead of playing mickey mouse teams in half their schedule
ND generally plays a top 10-20 sos. The only problem is that their schedule is made at least a couple years ahead. A couple of years ago, no one knew that Cincinnati would be their toughest game in 21. Teams like FSU, USC, Clemson, V. Tech have been really good historically at times, but sometimes they’re down. They’ve made deals with home/away years with Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Georgia and had their way with Michigan…most teams have nothing to gain by playing them. Every time they beat those teams, those teams were considered “nobodies” that year. I hate when people say “they don’t play nobody,” but who is “somebody?” There’s usually only 2-4 “somebodies” every year. Everyone else is just mid.
The Irish are members of the Big 10, for Ice Hockey. Won the conference title twice. This opened that door. Becoming full members would save the school tons and tons of money. The have to transport all the non-revenue teams over 1000 miles to play in ACC. House and feed the athletes, and travel by air. This is expensive super expensive, especially for a private school. Big 10 keeps their high profile intact, cuts travel cost by 70%, brings back a lot of classic rivalry games, Purdue, I.U. Northwestern, MSU, PSU, bus trips instead of plane rides, more N.D.studentas could make it to road games, and Irish can still keep USC and Stanford and Navy games on schedule. Irish bring solid TV ratings to Big 10.
I have a son in the ND marching band and several pep bands (hockey, basketball). I can assure you that travel costs are not an issue. Just one example: for bowl games, they fly every member of the 400-piece band to the game from the airport of the member’s choice; per diem is $75 a day for each kid. Meanwhile, my daughter plays in the Iowa State band. They travelled to Florida in a fleet of battered old buses. Two of them broke down. Another caught on fire. Iowa State might be hard up for money, but ND is not.
@@mjfleming319 It still costs that school a ton of money, and with the national economy shrinking, travel costs rocketing upward as with fuel cost it will continue to drain Irish budget fast. I have friends in NY who are third generation Irish grads, they agree with me. Even the U.S.M.A. is concerned about cost's. N.D. has that money now, but you have to look 12 to 20 years in the future. Right now N.D. money is from NBC TV deal .And because of ACC and B10 memberships they now share in Bowl and tournament revenues. In B10 they would save money and keep more money. Also I am talking about all the non revenue teams, the one who do not make any money and N.D has a lot, and this list includes all women's sports .You can not just think about football. Also consider academics. Most B10 schools have a MUCH higher grad rate, higher GPA's for athletes, and ACC and SEC schools have lower admission standards. B10 is closer to N.D. profile. Eventually N.D. will cut some non money making sports. Even Stanford had to, Northwestern has fewer teams. Money is not unlimited.
The reason Notre Dame is not in the Big 10 really comes down to the anti-Catholic bias of one man. By most contemporaneous accounts, Yost was a miserable bastard who enjoyed lording his power over a small Catholic school until its squad beat his Wolverines. Humiliated, he then made it his mission to keep Notre Dame out of the only power conference it had any hope of joining in a blatant attempt to strangle its football program in the crib. However, by forcing the Irish to schedule teams from all over the country, this move became the fulcrum by which the Irish became a national brand. Fast-forward to the 90's and the Big 10 made a strong push for ND to join. But, it was clear that what the Big 10 wanted (what really _everyone_ wanted when playing ND) was Notre Dame's _money._ Back then, Notre Dame's power and influence was at its zenith such that it received a full conference payout under the BCS system. Now, after thirty years of lackluster seasons and in an increasingly tenuous position as an independent competing in an environment of conference behemoths with huge media payouts for member schools, Notre Dame's position has changed materially. I still have zero interest in joining the Big 10, or any conference for that matter. Independence is very important to us; we like being able to build our own schedule with interesting matchups. But unless Notre Dame starts winning a few big games to prove that it can still compete for the top spot, I don't know what the future will hold.
You're not independent Notre Dame is a member of the ACC when you play 5 conference games only 3 less than the SEC has to play you're a member of that conference you guys gotta stop living in a fantasy world where Notre Dame still independent
@@ronniecee2532 That's bullshit. We play a lot of ACC teams but we are not subject to the same requirements of a full member and still have a wide latitude to build a diverse schedule. We can, and do, schedule teams from the Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, and SEC almost every season. Just looking at the fall lineup, we have games on the East coast, the West Coast, and the Midwest. Two of our games are being hosted in NFL stadiums. We had home-and-home games against Georgia and Texas within the last five years. If we were a full member of the ACC, none of this would be possible.
@@Zapp__Brannigan If you have play a certain amount of conference games (5) compared to (8SEC) (9Big10) you're a member of that conference there's no if ans or butts about it,, just because you get special treatment because the ACC needs Notre Dame to stay somewhat viable viable doesn't mean you're not in that conference
@@Zapp__Brannigan And don't forget that you're scared to play Michigan every year that's why you ran over to the ACC you'll play perdue and navy but you won't play Michigan every year and forget the history I'm talking about recent.
@@Zapp__Brannigan By the way your post is a perfect example of Notre Dame fans living in a fantasy world. You are in the ACC conference the only people that don't see that are Notre Dame fans the ACC is happy as h*** that you attached yourself to their conference because they can milk off of you.. Even though they ACC and the NBC deals are for way less money than what the big 10 an the SEC will take in
Yeah geography wise they are in the middle of the big ten. What most people are forgetting is that Notre Dame is not your typical local down the street team. They are a national coast to coast brand with a lot of rivalries, recruiting power, and influence nation wide. If you force them to play in one region all season they will lose all of that and I don't see Notre Dame out recruiting Ohio State and Michigan in the Midwest very easily.
Notre dame has been asked several times to join the big ten for football they just won't do it. Here's the reasons A they have exclusive broadcasting rights with NBC sports network that mandates they need to be independent, and B everytime the big ten has made a offer they scoffed at them saying "were to good to join you." However what makes this university "wierd" prolly not the right word I know just work with me. They are forced to play 9 ACC teams every year to remain in the ACC for basketball purposes, however when it comes to hockey they are a big ten team.
NotreDame DOES grace The B10 in hockey. After x-years in HockeyEast, the travel became a factor. So the McPuckers joined the B10 in hockey...and won the division our first year. Just sayin'... 😜
If notre dame do join the BIG TEN this should happen: 1. Renew their rivalry against Michigan 2. Send Maryland Tarpans back to the ACC and have west Virginia Mountaineer to join acc 3. Have a Indiana showdown between notre dame and Indiana hooters. 4. Give them more five-star players as well as 4-star and 3-star players 5. Drop one of the Pac 12 teams.
if Notre dame wants to be left behind, stay independent. With the tv deals coming up for the Big Ten and Sec expecting to be a billion +, they can't afford not to be. In addition, if the playoffs format gets expanded you may have to be a conference champion to get in.
IT WOULD be better if ND start their own conference could draw teams out of other conferences like a Oklahoma, Texas , West Virginia , Pittsburgh , even a Michigan State Wisconsin, Purdue, or even a Nebraska... there is a few Big 10 teams that don't want to be there... All big 10 wants is the revenue... Big 10 had there chance time to move on ....
It kinda make sense? BIG 10 needs another good team in their conference and since ND is technically northern state and the geography wise could lead to good match ups.
If I was Notre Dame's lawyers and I wanted to get out of the ACC agreement I would say 2 things,, notre dame is already in the big 10 and hockey and notre dame joined the ACC for one full year during the covid season and that should suffice to any contractual obligations of joining them before the end of the 2030s.
During that Covid year the ACC should have said join full time in football or be like BYU and schedule who you can from the Group Of Five. ND owes the ACC gratitude for their playoff appearance that year because they wouldn't have made it with a schedule of all Group of 5 schools.
God bless Fielding Yost for doing all he did to keep ND out of the Big Ten. If ND had joined way back then, it would've been saddled with mainly playing a regional schedule instead of a national schedule, and Notre Dame Football would have become just another great football school with a regional following like Alabama, Ohio State, USC, etc. Instead, the University of Notre Dame and its football program (thanks mainly to Knute Rockne, who traveled the team everywhere to beat the best teams in the country) became a sports darling everywhere with a devoted national (if not worldwide following) lasting to this day that never would've happened if joining the Big Ten had happened way back then. GOD COUNTRY NOTRE DAME IN GLORY EVERLASTING ... WE ARE ND!!!!
@@jaybird9988 ND schedules the nastiest schools on the board that will play them. The last 10 years those teams have fallen off hard after scheduling. Do you really think an Auburn or Alabama would schedule ND?
@@timdoherty6705 Half the teams in the Big Ten are ranked. Stop acting like teams are dodging you when it's clearly the other way around. Join a real conference and see if your team is actually any good.
If they could get Notre Dame, you could round up the conference with Iowa State, Cincinnati and Kansas. And Kansas would be nice to beef up the basketball side.
If ND does not want to join the Big 10, then do not play them anymore. If SEC would do the same, ND might not have the schedule to go to a National Championship. SEC and Big 10 are going to dominate with 4 and 5 star players recruited. ACC will be poached by the SEC, possibly Big 10 as well. I think it is a do or die situation for ND to join Big 10 or SEC.
I completely disliked the ACC Partial Membership. I've always felt that ND should never join a conference, still believe that. but if they were to join a Conference yes the Big 10 makes the most since, and would be my first pick.
The SEC plays 8 conference games Notre Dame plays 5 in the ACC,,,so to say 3 games is the difference between being in a conference and not being in a conference isn't realistic
Notre Dame has a wide variety of sports and lays in a unique geographical location for all of those sports. Having both a lacrosse team and hockey team. They are very good in both sports and being an independent in football gives them freedom to makes choices being in a conference would not allow. During WW2 Navy opened a training facility at Notre Dame. Notre Dame honors Navy for helping keep the university open during the war by playing them every year even though Notre Dame wins 90% of those games. Notre Dame enjoys freedom of picking games and only having 5 locked in at football. I believe a Big 10 Notre Dame would make a fun basketball season much more exciting, but I believe that won't happen, unless the Big 10 makes deals to allow Notre 3 or 4 open non-Big 10 football games, which I don't think would happen. Also, the Big 10 stinks at college lacrosse and Notre Dame wants a challenge in that sport. The Big 10 hockey league contains Notre Dame due to the ACC having no hockey of their own. Just a few thoughts for you.
I think ND only joins the Big 10 if college football shifts significantly to the point where they have to in order to remain competitive on the field and in their wallet. I think that is possible but it’s far down the road. Hopefully both sides don’t have too much pride to ignore the obvious.
Notre Dame should form a conference with the other 17 private fbs schools. It would be a true national conference with a member in nearly every major media/streaming market, have complete autonomy, be able to make international agreements (to showcase the Big 3 sports and the Olympic sports), solid in Football, and become one of the top academic conferences immediately. Plus ND would be a shot-caller and will likely wield influence as way it wants. Top to bottom, its a solid conference. To stroke their own egos, they could even call it the Big Ivy Conference. National: Boston College Duke Liberty Miami Notre Dame Northwestern Syracuse Wake Forest Vanderbilt American: Baylor BYU Rice SMU Stanford TCU Tulane Tulsa USC ....This Makes Too Much Sense.
Good luck with that. While BC, MIAMI, CUSE & perhaps even USC would consider leaving for this new conference, but I can't see DUKE, WAKE, VANDY or STANFORD leaving their existing conferences unless those start to deplete.
@@briggsofdisaster In this environment, could an 18-team conference thrive and be stable with just two football blues (ND & USC), a single football light blue (MIAMI), a single basketball blue (DUKE), and the non-revenue king (STANFORD) backfilled with mid-lower level P5s and various G5s?
Um, Michigan wasn't in the Big Ten in 1909 or 1912. They left the conference from 1906-1917. The Big Ten in those days did whatever Stagg wanted; they hated Yost, but needed Stagg because a game at Chicago could fund your whole program for a year. Stagg didn't want another Chicago area team in the Western, and in the early 1900s, feared ND would give Michigan a buddy, since the programs had ties. If you want to get into the stuff I can recommend some books. Start with John Kryk. It's fascinating and weird stuff, and a lot more modern than we realize.
You have the history correct, the one thing you did not point is ND's hypocrisy. They rejected the Big Ten over sour grapes, but still play inferior competition for all their other sports first in the Big East and now the ACC, who both allowed the separate NBC deal. The Big Ten would die if they allowed special TV treatment for select members, just as has happened to the Big XII with Texas, who will now go to the SEC and their more stable TV distribution model like the Big Ten has.
Notre Dame has a TV contract with NBC... or vice versa but, nonetheless, The Irish are joining any conference if they can get more revenue from a independent TV coverage on a national network. 💰talks the loudest
ND doesn’t need the Big Ten. The Midwest is losing population and The Irish have aligned themselves with growth demographics in the ACC. They play no less than 9 and sometimes 10 or 11 Power 5 Conference foes per season, as many, and often times more than any SEC team so why is everyone so concerned with them joining a conference. It’s not about money bc joining the Big 10 would probably be more lucrative. It’s their identity. I’m a Penn State grad and joining the Big 10 has made us Eastern Iowa. Will win a league title every 10-15 years but mostly play 3rd and 4th fiddle to Mich and Ohio State. ND charts their own path and has no regrets. My ideal realignment would be eight conferences with 9 teams. You play 8 conference games and have to schedule other 4 games against teams from the other 7 conferences. Pitt, PSU and ND in the same Conference.
While Notre Dame seems logical geographically and historically for the football part. But the cultural fit would be better in the SEC or ACC. Don't be surprised if Notre Dame (Religious School) doesn't join the Big 10.
Let's be real, Notre Dame is a big 10 school. They got the big ten feel. The marching band is the big ten style. Plus south bend ain't that for from UM, MSU and OSU
ND is a fantastic school but let's not pretend it's bigger then Michigan.. Michigan is by far the best school in the Midwest.. without Mich ND wouldn't even play football
If big ten does away with conf alls they have to do is have 2nd best record after ohio st normally to play in big ten championship game. Think once they get a really elite QB they will be a great team.
Big 10 doesn’t want Notre dame. They have made it clear over the years. The only thing that would make sense is if they started doing playoffs like every other sport in the country. You win your conference you’re in the playoffs. That would be the only way to force Notre dame in a conference.
That's not true anymore. More recently they have basically invited them, but ND has a tradition of traveling across the country that the boosters love. They will make people very mad if they join a conference.
They should join instead of Rutgers or Maryland. Notre Dame football has 4 historical rivalries with Big Ten teams. Purdue, Northwestern, MSU, and Michigan.
Notre Dame won't join a conference until it can no longer be a major player in college football without being in one. At that point it will join whatever conference best fits its needs.
Why would they join the big ten and lose 3/4 games a year when they could play Boston college Syracuse and Florida st every year and only lose 1/2 games
No, Notre Dame doesn’t fit the B1G research oriented academic profile. Obviously ND is a fine school but it has different orientation. Isn’t it’s ACC affiliation working?
ND's desire for $$$$ will surpass their fear of losing in the B1G TEN. I doubt their football team can get out of conference play unscathed. They will join, but will never see the CFP again. $$$$
Good history lesson about ND and the Big Ten. A lot of folks don’t know the history. Especially with Michigan and ND
Eric Notre Dame is already a member of the Big 10, Ice Hockey. Irish have won Big 10 title in hockey.
If Notre Dame joins Big Ten they need to bring back their Wrestling program because Big Ten Wrestling is SEC Football on steroids
Iowa owns the B1G in wrestling
I can appreciate the love for big ten wrestling, but if Norte dame asked to join the big ten the big ten would not under any circumstance make them bring back ANY sport, including wrestling, or even basketball (if they got rid of it). These decisions are based on revenue, and football IS the revenue for the conference (well 90% of it at least). That’s why Kansas coming to the big10 with there basketball program was almost an after thought.
@@jonpike9991 no it’s penn state followed by Ohio state
@@jracer7189 Iowa 24 wrestling NCs Penn State 10 NCs.
They are definitely a Big Ten school. I just don’t know if they are ever going to join
No they should not why because ohio michigan even penn state and Michigan state would beat ND so there is 4 loses already. Yes ND is a good program but would get lose in big ten. They need to join ACC because they probably would win that league half of the time
@@clarencewalder2985 The NCAA needs to step up to stop this sh* it is so stupid to have teams out of georgraphly
@@clarencewalder2985 MSU and Penn state would not beat ND: ex Penn state barely beat Wisconsin while ND blew them out
@@clarencewalder2985 looks like you received a big ten education.
I totally agree.
People who aren't old enough to remember what college football was like don't understand why it was so much better to have many conferences that were small in number and many Independent Schools. It made the regular-season great and Bowl matchups which were far fewer in number far more intriguing
Less conferences and the playoff have made bowl games glorified exhibitions.
@@kevinbond8966 true that
They tried that year’s ago. Unfortunately there are time’s you need to make a decision, stay true to your belief’s, or get forced to give things up. The Big10 tried to force their hand. Much like the academic standard’s, I applaud ND for not buckling, and would be fine with them staying as they are as far as sports.
They are basically with the ACC but it makes sense for them to join the big ten
Even though the video focuses on football, every other Norte Dame team is in the ACC except hockey, since the ACC doesn’t sponsor hockey, their hockey team is in the big ten
We are big 10 in our 2nd most popular sport, Hockey. They have that relationship now at least, just waiting for the full jump eventually.
Yeah because college hockey revenue is lack there of and the Irish are not about to travel to the east coast that much for hockey while losing money....
@@greysongladney4403 Yea well they did. Hockey East. Those schools did not want to always have to come to the Midwest either. Especially when our hockey rivals of Michigan and MSU etc were right all next to us! Michigans coach had even said how it was a shame their kids would not be getting to play much in that state of the Art Compton Family Ice Arena. We have standard size NHL/NCAA rink and a Olympic size rink. Our Chicago Blackhawks train here also, not to mention all of the highschools who play tournaments there now and open to the public for free skate at times. Big 10 wanted us to be apart of their hockey program as much as we wanted to be. Hell AU out in the desert may even being joining the Big 10 in hockey since moved up to a Div I program and since our conference is the only true conference that recognizes college hockey along with their other sports. I don’t even need to get started on the whole revenue thing because if you know anything about NCAA Div I ice hockey and Compton Ice Arena than you may be surprised how much money it brings in. Nothing will ever bring in more $$ than football at our beloved school, duh.
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@@shredhead4604 my sources were Illini coaching staff and old friends who lived in South bend.
The Illini can't even get into ncaa cuz no women's team and rink size?? Either way it made sense and was told that for years.
I don't really see how playing in multiple conferences is logical for ND. Acc big 10 and independent just seems so messy....
@@shredhead4604 then again Illinois athletes is so corrupt why would I believe anything they say at this point....
Notre dame is actually already a big ten school… for hockey
They have an exclusive rights agreement with the ACC, meaning they must be in the ACC or Independent till 2032, right?
Yup. This is where people will dismissively say, "Well, they can just negotiate out of it." Except:
1. We have yet to see any school even attempt to challenge a GOR in court.
2. Unlike Maryland, who fought the ACC in court over an increased exit fee that they themselves voted against, ND would have to fight against a GOR agreement that they themselves voted *in favor of* - putting ND's lawyers in the unenviable position of arguing why ND should be released from an agreement they personally approved of.
3. The worst case scenario of losing your court battle and having to pay the full penalty (plus court costs) is far worse with a GOR than it is with just a big one-time exit fee. The risk/reward ratio for Maryland made leaving the ACC for the wealthier Big Ten worth it - even it they ended up paying the full exit fee. The risk/reward ratio for ND - potentially losing all of your TV money for a full decade plus? No way! When we're closer to the end of the GOR agreement? Maybe. But now, when it's still more than a decade away? No.
Notre Dame isn't independent when you play 5 conference games in the ACC you're a member of that conference.
@@ronniecee2532 No conference championship. Nope.
@@koldonn1111 The big 10 didn't play conference championship games for years so you're saying none of those teams were in the big 10 come on all you Notre Dame fans just need to come to the realization that you're not an independent anymore
@@ronniecee2532 Thats a whole ass conference. Difference is that the ACC actually has a Conference Championship game. Notre Dame can't participate in it unless they actually join the conference like they did in the COVID year.
We don’t want go to big 10.
And can’t anyways got a contract with acc that says we would have to join acc if we joined a conference.
As a notre dame fan I think we stay independent for a long time. If we were to join a conference today though I would want it to be the big 10. Already have long rivalries with Purdue, Mich and Mich state . The OSU ND rivalry would be insane.
Plus penn state and ND have some history in the 80s and 90s
They should join the big 10 and play Standford, USC and Boston College every year as their non-conference games.
As a ND fan, if not joining a conference hurts their national title chances I think they should join the big 10 and play Navy, USC, and Stanford for their non-conference games every year.
@@declanphelan3485 I think it should be Navy, USC, and a rotating cast beyond that.
@@declanphelan3485 that could work too. As long as the trophy games keep going.
@@josephmoya5098 that probably better. I just want to see the trophy games keep going.
Be huge for the B10, does nothing for ND, don't see it ever happening. Not to mention ND can join the ACC or even SEC if they wanted to, why be just another B10 school.
LOL, wouldn't really do anything for the Big10 either. Or the ACC or SEC for that matter. They can hold out all they want, just don't cry when your team gets over looked for a top 4 ranking when you don't play anyone good.
@@jaybird9988 It would be ridiculous $$$ for the B10, which is all they care about, and if there is anyway possible for the playoff committee to get ND in the playoff, ND will be in, that has already been proven.
@@searchergreen9361 Hasn't been proven at all. Also, the Big 10 is the richest conference in all of college football...so why do they need ND? Honestly, both are getting along fine without the other. Just don't pout when your team gets passed over for a playoff spot because you only play one or two ranked teams a year...if that.
@master tron I think I have a better grasp than you. And while ND does bring in top 10 money...so does 4 other schools that are already in the Big 10. The Big 10 is already the richest conference. Not saying they wouldn't take them if they wanted to join...just saying ND doesn't add anything that the Big 10 doesn't already have. But feel free to stick your noses up at everyone else..we couldn't care less if you join 🙄
I think we may see the entire idea of college football conferences change drastically very soon. With the expansion of the FCS, I could see a super-DI conference created. It would be closer to a pro-level competition with about 50-60 of the elite colleges. Now with more money for players available, it would make a lot of sense to reduce the top-tier to those elite powers. This way, a playoff makes more sense, and it would be easier to pick who makes it. Schedule arguments wouldn't really be an issue. You would have to schedule 12 of the 50 or 60 best schools, so everyone would have a tough schedule. Really, the BCS conferences keep expanding, and this looks like where we are headed.
USC/UCLA looking to join the BigTen by 2024... I think no one is safe
Notre Dame has got to join the Big 10. If they can keep their TV deal with NBC, that would be a huge boost for the conference. I would ditch Maryland, Rutgers (to the ACC) and Nebraska (Big 12), and add the Irish, maybe throw in Pittsburgh and Missouri.
Nah, Nebraska, Mizzou and maybe Colorado need to go back to the Big 12. The experiment with those schools have completely failed. Slutgers and UM need to go to the ACC.
ND does not have to join the big 10 and they couldn't care less about boosting the big 10 lol.
I think Notre Dame should join the Big Ten in all sports but Football. The Irish are already part of the Big Ten in Hockey, so it would be cool to see them play in other sports. They can have the ACC football agreement but with the Big Ten. I am fine with ND being a independent in football, I just want to see them play against more Big Ten Teams.
I remember the early 90s when ND refuses the big 10s invitation. I always assumed they were scared.
ND comes to the bargaining table with serious leverage, and they would be best served to use that leverage before it starts to wane when they restructure CFB.
I remember two notre dame players literally jumping (beating the shit out of) a Penn state player on a punt return
They are in the Big Ten for hockey so the relationship between the two parties isn’t entirely hostile, I still think they stay independent with their ACC deal for the foreseeable future
Like I mentioned to another, that's because hockey has little revenue. No sense in traveling to the acc schools and losing money in the process...
B1G fans want ND to join, but the ND fanbase has become fiercely independent/anti-B1G.
I think that if ND were to join a conference, it would be the ACC, but that would be a poor move for the program long term.
With all the changes happening in CFB, ND may have their hand forced and join the B1G out of means for survival, not desire.
We want to be independent. The hurt that people have put on the catholic faith doesn't have a dollar sign.
Right. They should join the ACC. Big Ten does not need ND.
Notre Dame is not an independent they are a member of the ACC info if you have to play 5 scheduled games against one conference you're in that conference.
What is wrong with the ACC, they are better basketball and baseball conference than the Big 10. And one could argue a better football conference, when was the last time the Big 10 school won a National Championship not since 2002 Ohio State, the ACC has had 3 in the last 15.
@@darkjedi3170 2015 Ohio state won and will this year to goofy when was last time ND won a bowl game? Not since Michigan won a title 😂
If ND wants to stay independent, that's fine, I get that their entire football brand has been built because of their independence and they don't want to lose that. But if they choose to join the ACC over the Big Ten that would just be a spite move. They have far more history with the Big Ten teams, they are in the heart of Big Ten country, the overall level of competition is higher, and ofc they would bring in way more money in the Big Ten than in the ACC.
I agree with you, they shouldn't join. They were rejected multiple times, and found they were better off on their own. Best leave it that way
Actually ND did the rejecting.
They are an "associate" member for Men's Hockey since 2017.
Also, Notre Dame joining any conference will only be realized if a) the potential revenue is greater than what they earn/value with NBC currently and b) if the conference alignment/playoff expansion or new super conferences SEC/BG10 break away from the ncaa and require conference affiliation.
The revenue they would earn now if they joined the ACC is more than what they get now with NBC. That gap would be bigger with the Big Ten
@@brandonhuberty8636 Let me rephrase. Notre Dame will only join another conference if the value of their current arrangement is less than the opportunity of joining a conference.
Notre Dame does not need to share its bowl/playoff revenue. So what they may be short on as compared to the big conferences in regular season contracts they make up for in the post season payouts so long as they do well in the regular season.
As for them moving to the ACC, the ACC's current deal is going to be a fraction of the projected B10 and SEC deal revenues. So much that there is still legitimate speculation that unless the conference can renegotiate they may lose schools to the SEC/B10.
Notre Dame currently has no incentive to move until they are forced to via new playoff requirements and/or the conferences make them an offer they can refuse.
@@reverend_wintondupree No, as Brandon noted, ND would already get more revenue if the joined the ACC and pooled/shared than keeping the current NBC revenue to itself. This issue clearly isn't money; I suspect it's pride, tradition, and assurances that all home games are broadcast nationally somewhere.
ND only joins a conference if it recognizes that its playoff eligibility is at material risk now or in the future. Its two options are likely joining the ACC soon in a way that keeps it together or joining the B1G some years later.
NBC has been losing money on this deal.
@@brandonhuberty8636 Notre Dame doesn't have to worry about $$$.
Great info. As a Bin Ten fan and having attended Ohio State I believe they are a good fit for the big ten. We have them on our schedule for the opener of the 22 season and I believe it's a good thing for both schools. Well, I let you know how I feel about opening the season with them after the game. Haha
hahaha -- hedging your bets? I think they would be a good fit win or lose -- we want to play the tough games if you are going to be the best
@@sparkyman8249 im just glad it's not a second week game. We have a bad habit of losing the second game of the season.
Bro as a Michigan fan the b10 beats the shit out of each other every year and then everyone rags on our best teams few losses. Especially in basketball and baseball
If possible they should go back to the Big East. With it no longer being a football conference, it would give them complete scheduling ability and wouldn’t be forced to a 5 game per year contract vs non-football conference opponents.
That’s a great idea
What I like about the idea is it would make the rivalries so cool
If they ever join a conference it’s should be a new conference, get penn state, army, navy, Missouri, BYU, Nebraska. UConn , Umass. And ND . Keep some rivalries but play 6 games conference and a championship. Call it the NIC national independents conference. Keep NBC as rights for ND. It would work for the Basketball and Football good mix of blue bloods for both. Army navy game would count as conference game, Mizz and Nebraska back at it every year like old days in the big 12. Navy , ND every year. And BYU, ND every year , they’ve been playing each other last last 25 years. All this would be so dope and makes so much sense . Then there is an even power 6 conferences, expand college playoffs to 6 teams with 2 round 1 byes. Perfect
I don’t think that would work, ND, Penn state and Nebraska have huge fan bases, UMass I think might be lucky to lose to ND by less then 50
@@offzach what does having big fan bases have to do with anything? And Rutgers gets that ass beat by everyone in the big ten every year . But you put a team in one of the hugest markets in the county the New England market , Irish…..no they get to go to ND games every other year . Umass would be able to build and recruit better now , power conference. Benifit fire crime
The biggest issue with Notre Dame joining the Big Ten is TV revenue; in particular, football TV revenue. Notre Dame has an exclusive TV contract with NBC to show home football games, and since that revenue goes directly to the school, they have no urgency to share that revenue with the Big Ten, ACC, or any other conference.
That revenue from NBC and the ACC is peanuts, considering each B1G team stands to get 100M+, with the new contract with fox and Apple TV.
While it would be a great geographic and athletic fit. I seriously doubt that Notre Dame wants to hurt its traditions, national branding and independence overall and if forced into a conference. They would probably prefer the ACC as they play more games their and would have a better shot at regularly being in playoff contention.
If the Big Ten wants to add 2 more teams to keep pace with the SEC they should add Virginia and North Carolina actually. Both are emerging programs connected to flagship state universities with strong academics and would lock up more recruiting in the south.
As a Carolina fan, I'll take a hard pass on joining the B10. As long as the ACC remains viable, that's where we belong. If it ever fails, I'd prefer the SEC. As we are a Southern school, I'd prefer they be in a conference with other Southern schools.
north carolina probably isnt leaving unless duke/nc state/wake forest join in. tobacco road doesnt want to give up their power. virginia is more likely and would lock up the DMV.
I think another reason they don’t do it is because no since they play 5 ACC opponents every year it’s better for recruiting let’s be honest kids in the Midwest if they are interested in ND they will go there but kids in the Carolinas or on the coast need to see them beat there local schools
as a michigan fan idc if they join but let bring back the week 1 ND vs Michigan game i always had a blast watching that game as a kid
I like the content but please watch and read content on delivering information in a smooth and less up and down vocal tone. Great researcher. I would follow you but I need less of the start low at the beginning of a sentence then gradually rise throughout the sentence and end at a low vocal tone on the last word of the sentence. The Big Ten would immediately become a contender for the most powerful conference in the nation with a UND addition. I only become hesitant when I realize the loss of schedule flexibility the Irish would suffer. The thought of rarely playing Miami, USC, Stanford, and Navy solidifies my stance in the Individual conference. Our recruiting reach would decrease as well as we are not playing in states outside of the midwest as often. Keep it up and Go Irish!
Notre Dame is pretty much locked in to the ACC until 2035 or so (or whenever the existing ACC contract with ESPN expires), so this ND to the B1G is pretty much a non starter.
As a Notre Dame fan I would like us to join a conference. Either the Big 10 or the ACC would be very good conferences for us to join. I think if we do join a conference it would likely be the ACC, because of the history with the Big 10 and the fact all of the other sports at Notre Dame are in the ACC.
As a life long Big 10 fan and somebody who’s from Indiana thanks for this video. I always wanted ND in the Big 10 now I know the history.
It makes the MOST sense! The Catholics should do the Christian thing and forgive the Big Ten and join the conference they should always have been a part of.
ND is better off forming its own conference with USC and the other 16 private FBS schools.
@@bayoubull717 but USC might be joining the Big Ten in the near future. Who are they going to play with that will matter?
The current ACC deal doesn't allow Notre Dame to join another conference until sometime into the 2030s
Had never looked into the matter so had always assumed that ND would eventually end up in the B1G if anywhere. After following this realignment story, no longer so sure. Considered the old grudges a silly reason due to time and sophisticated parties, but the history presented by you seems more substantial. The pluses for the B1G really just boils down to geography and the current revenue difference, while those for the ACC are more diverse schools (public and private, secular and religious), similar or better academic schools than the B1G, better recruiting footprint, a footprint with a growing rather than static population, and maintaining more of a national brand rather than becoming just another Midwest team.
I don't mean to break it too you but the Big Ten schools are considered the best academically of any conference in the country out side the Ivy League.
@@freeclimb5487 I hate to break it to you, but the ACC actually has the best average academic ranking of all the Power 5 conferences, which would include the B1G. The list I saw was close (~10 rank difference), but the ACC still was higher. I consider it a push/tie for these discussions.
yeah ive always thought they'd join the ACC before the big ten. i knew they had animosity with the big ten over their religious differences
ND won't join a conference.They don't need to. Probably the only team for which that's true. That said, if they did join a conference, they should join the B10, but they'd probably join the ACC. Great content as always!!
Alabama and Clemson don't need conferences. But ND does need a conference -- no wins this season against a team that made the final rankings. They can't finish the season with the likes of unranked Georgia Tech and Stanford and not have a conference championship game. That's why they were 11-1 and on the outside looking in this year. Expect more of it.
United 12 Conference: East- Notre Dame, Boston College, Miami, Army, Navy, and Tulane. West- Rice, SMU, Air Force, BYU, USC, and Stanford. All private schools or service academies, with big markets and/or fan base, football recruiting hotbeds, and longstanding rivalries with higher level academics.
Just make it all 18 private fbs schools. There are 9 western and 9 eastern that can form a national conference. They can call it the Big Ivy to stroke their own egos.
ND has 3 rivalry games that they play every year. What are they going to do about that?
I know Notre Dame in football will always want to be an independent, for many reasons, one is money. I would love, and it would make sense for Notre Dame to join the Big 10 in all sports including football. I believe sometimes it would be an advantage for Notre Dame to have played and win a conference championship game to try to get in a four team playoff, but I don’t think the Big 10 can afford them. ESPN and the SEC is building a super conference, possibly a new division in college football, like a new college league, they may expand to get the cream of the crop from all power five conferences including the Big Ten, and at that point, Notre Dame will have to join, or be left behind. If that happens, it will be a few TV deals into the future, and again, it’s all about the money.
Well if ND joins any conference between now and 2035 they are contractually obligated to join the ACC. As a Notre Dame fan who grew up in South Bend. I think The ACC is a much better fit for the school academically and culturally. Notre Dame is a small private school with an undergraduate enrollment of 8,000 students. The University’s needs wouldn’t be understood by a bunch of Enormous state schools.
I am a ND fan. And we don't want to and never will join a conference. Nothing to do with most of the Big 10. I miss are games with MS and PU. And injoy games with all other Big 10 teams. Except Michigan. Thay can jump off a cliff for all i care. But are Independents is our identity now. An it is the most important thing we have. Why would we want to be part of something. When we are the only thing. I hope you understand. You did a fine job on this pice. And you were honest. That is important. Thank you Go Irish. PS I can tell you that 80 percent of ND fans would tell you. If they were not ND fans . We would be Michigan State fans. I know it sounds crazy. But just ask us.
I didn't know the history of the Big Ten voting to keep ND out of the Big Ten. What did they expect when they would eventually change their mind. Although Delaney messed up Ohio State getting another National Championship with Clarett trying to get ND into the Big Ten would've been good
When Penn state was added, it was supposed to be them and notre dame, notre dame backed out and left them hanging.
No way the big 10 takes notre dame
Can we get a UNC to Big Ten video or a USC to Big Ten?
I did a USC to the big ten video last year (th-cam.com/video/Ss9bACGqPnQ/w-d-xo.html) and have plans for unc, Oregon, Virginia, ucla among others. I’m having a lot of fun making these videos
I want to see that one too. That was Jim Delaney’s dream. He was trying to make that one happen when he was Big Ten commissioner.
@@EmbracetheGrind I've heard a report that prior failed talks have been renewed to pull UVA/UNC, a legal strategy is already in place to challenge the GOR, and invites are pending their decision to leave.
Its time a team like notre dame plays in a real conference and shows that they can play with the big guys instead of playing mickey mouse teams in half their schedule
ND generally plays a top 10-20 sos. The only problem is that their schedule is made at least a couple years ahead. A couple of years ago, no one knew that Cincinnati would be their toughest game in 21. Teams like FSU, USC, Clemson, V. Tech have been really good historically at times, but sometimes they’re down. They’ve made deals with home/away years with Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Georgia and had their way with Michigan…most teams have nothing to gain by playing them. Every time they beat those teams, those teams were considered “nobodies” that year.
I hate when people say “they don’t play nobody,” but who is “somebody?” There’s usually only 2-4 “somebodies” every year. Everyone else is just mid.
NEVER!
The Irish are members of the Big 10, for Ice Hockey. Won the conference title twice. This opened that door. Becoming full members would save the school tons and tons of money. The have to transport all the non-revenue teams over 1000 miles to play in ACC. House and feed the athletes, and travel by air. This is expensive super expensive, especially for a private school. Big 10 keeps their high profile intact, cuts travel cost by 70%, brings back a lot of classic rivalry games, Purdue, I.U. Northwestern, MSU, PSU, bus trips instead of plane rides, more N.D.studentas could make it to road games, and Irish can still keep USC and Stanford and Navy games on schedule. Irish bring solid TV ratings to Big 10.
I have a son in the ND marching band and several pep bands (hockey, basketball). I can assure you that travel costs are not an issue. Just one example: for bowl games, they fly every member of the 400-piece band to the game from the airport of the member’s choice; per diem is $75 a day for each kid. Meanwhile, my daughter plays in the Iowa State band. They travelled to Florida in a fleet of battered old buses. Two of them broke down. Another caught on fire. Iowa State might be hard up for money, but ND is not.
@@mjfleming319 It still costs that school a ton of money, and with the national economy shrinking, travel costs rocketing upward as with fuel cost it will continue to drain Irish budget fast. I have friends in NY who are third generation Irish grads, they agree with me. Even the U.S.M.A. is concerned about cost's. N.D. has that money now, but you have to look 12 to 20 years in the future. Right now N.D. money is from NBC TV deal .And because of ACC and B10 memberships they now share in Bowl and tournament revenues. In B10 they would save money and keep more money. Also I am talking about all the non revenue teams, the one who do not make any money and N.D has a lot, and this list includes all women's sports .You can not just think about football. Also consider academics. Most B10 schools have a MUCH higher grad rate, higher GPA's for athletes, and ACC and SEC schools have lower admission standards. B10 is closer to N.D. profile. Eventually N.D. will cut some non money making sports. Even Stanford had to, Northwestern has fewer teams. Money is not unlimited.
The reason Notre Dame is not in the Big 10 really comes down to the anti-Catholic bias of one man.
By most contemporaneous accounts, Yost was a miserable bastard who enjoyed lording his power over a small Catholic school until its squad beat his Wolverines. Humiliated, he then made it his mission to keep Notre Dame out of the only power conference it had any hope of joining in a blatant attempt to strangle its football program in the crib. However, by forcing the Irish to schedule teams from all over the country, this move became the fulcrum by which the Irish became a national brand.
Fast-forward to the 90's and the Big 10 made a strong push for ND to join. But, it was clear that what the Big 10 wanted (what really _everyone_ wanted when playing ND) was Notre Dame's _money._ Back then, Notre Dame's power and influence was at its zenith such that it received a full conference payout under the BCS system. Now, after thirty years of lackluster seasons and in an increasingly tenuous position as an independent competing in an environment of conference behemoths with huge media payouts for member schools, Notre Dame's position has changed materially.
I still have zero interest in joining the Big 10, or any conference for that matter. Independence is very important to us; we like being able to build our own schedule with interesting matchups. But unless Notre Dame starts winning a few big games to prove that it can still compete for the top spot, I don't know what the future will hold.
You're not independent Notre Dame is a member of the ACC when you play 5 conference games only 3 less than the SEC has to play you're a member of that conference you guys gotta stop living in a fantasy world where Notre Dame still independent
@@ronniecee2532 That's bullshit. We play a lot of ACC teams but we are not subject to the same requirements of a full member and still have a wide latitude to build a diverse schedule. We can, and do, schedule teams from the Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, and SEC almost every season. Just looking at the fall lineup, we have games on the East coast, the West Coast, and the Midwest. Two of our games are being hosted in NFL stadiums. We had home-and-home games against Georgia and Texas within the last five years.
If we were a full member of the ACC, none of this would be possible.
@@Zapp__Brannigan If you have play a certain amount of conference games (5) compared to (8SEC) (9Big10) you're a member of that conference there's no if ans or butts about it,, just because you get special treatment because the ACC needs Notre Dame to stay somewhat viable viable doesn't mean you're not in that conference
@@Zapp__Brannigan And don't forget that you're scared to play Michigan every year that's why you ran over to the ACC you'll play perdue and navy but you won't play Michigan every year and forget the history I'm talking about recent.
@@Zapp__Brannigan By the way your post is a perfect example of Notre Dame fans living in a fantasy world. You are in the ACC conference the only people that don't see that are Notre Dame fans the ACC is happy as h*** that you attached yourself to their conference because they can milk off of you.. Even though they ACC and the NBC deals are for way less money than what the big 10 an the SEC will take in
Yeah geography wise they are in the middle of the big ten. What most people are forgetting is that Notre Dame is not your typical local down the street team. They are a national coast to coast brand with a lot of rivalries, recruiting power, and influence nation wide. If you force them to play in one region all season they will lose all of that and I don't see Notre Dame out recruiting Ohio State and Michigan in the Midwest very easily.
Notre dame has been asked several times to join the big ten for football they just won't do it. Here's the reasons A they have exclusive broadcasting rights with NBC sports network that mandates they need to be independent, and B everytime the big ten has made a offer they scoffed at them saying "were to good to join you." However what makes this university "wierd" prolly not the right word I know just work with me. They are forced to play 9 ACC teams every year to remain in the ACC for basketball purposes, however when it comes to hockey they are a big ten team.
NotreDame DOES grace The B10 in hockey. After x-years in HockeyEast, the travel became a factor. So the McPuckers joined the B10 in hockey...and won the division our first year. Just sayin'... 😜
And before hockey east they were a member of the CCHA. which I miss the old CCHA before the BIG schools wanted their own conference.
I see well if ND joined now the Big Ten would welcome them or the ACC and ND should join a conference in todays CFB
If notre dame do join the BIG TEN this should happen:
1. Renew their rivalry against Michigan
2. Send Maryland Tarpans back to the ACC and have west Virginia Mountaineer to join acc
3. Have a Indiana showdown between notre dame and
Indiana hooters.
4. Give them more five-star players as well as 4-star and 3-star players
5. Drop one of the Pac 12 teams.
if Notre dame wants to be left behind, stay independent. With the tv deals coming up for the Big Ten and Sec expecting to be a billion +, they can't afford not to be. In addition, if the playoffs format gets expanded you may have to be a conference champion to get in.
IT WOULD be better if ND start their own conference could draw teams out of other conferences like a Oklahoma, Texas , West Virginia , Pittsburgh , even a Michigan State Wisconsin, Purdue, or even a Nebraska... there is a few Big 10 teams that don't want to be there... All big 10 wants is the revenue... Big 10 had there chance time to move on ....
It kinda make sense? BIG 10 needs another good team in their conference and since ND is technically northern state and the geography wise could lead to good match ups.
Notre dame and Cincinnati both should join the Big 10. Great video.
What about cincys rivals? Geography makes sense though.
cincinnati doesnt fit the academic standards. they've gotten better but they're still well behind the big ten
If I was Notre Dame's lawyers and I wanted to get out of the ACC agreement I would say 2 things,, notre dame is already in the big 10 and hockey and notre dame joined the ACC for one full year during the covid season and that should suffice to any contractual obligations of joining them before the end of the 2030s.
During that Covid year the ACC should have said join full time in football or be like BYU and schedule who you can from the Group Of Five. ND owes the ACC gratitude for their playoff appearance that year because they wouldn't have made it with a schedule of all Group of 5 schools.
God bless Fielding Yost for doing all he did to keep ND out of the Big Ten. If ND had joined way back then, it would've been saddled with mainly playing a regional schedule instead of a national schedule, and Notre Dame Football would have become just another great football school with a regional following like Alabama, Ohio State, USC, etc. Instead, the University of Notre Dame and its football program (thanks mainly to Knute Rockne, who traveled the team everywhere to beat the best teams in the country) became a sports darling everywhere with a devoted national (if not worldwide following) lasting to this day that never would've happened if joining the Big Ten had happened way back then. GOD COUNTRY NOTRE DAME IN GLORY EVERLASTING ... WE ARE ND!!!!
HAHAHA YA...God forbid you should play more than one or two ranked teams a year....🤣😂🤣😂
@@jaybird9988 ND schedules the nastiest schools on the board that will play them. The last 10 years those teams have fallen off hard after scheduling. Do you really think an Auburn or Alabama would schedule ND?
@@timdoherty6705 You really think either of those teams are afraid of ND?!
@@timdoherty6705 Half the teams in the Big Ten are ranked. Stop acting like teams are dodging you when it's clearly the other way around. Join a real conference and see if your team is actually any good.
If they could get Notre Dame, you could round up the conference with Iowa State, Cincinnati and Kansas. And Kansas would be nice to beef up the basketball side.
If ND does not want to join the Big 10, then do not play them anymore. If SEC would do the same, ND might not have the schedule to go to a National Championship. SEC and Big 10 are going to dominate with 4 and 5 star players recruited. ACC will be poached by the SEC, possibly Big 10 as well. I think it is a do or die situation for ND to join Big 10 or SEC.
I completely disliked the ACC Partial Membership. I've always felt that ND should never join a conference, still believe that. but if they were to join a Conference yes the Big 10 makes the most since, and would be my first pick.
The need a conference for their other sports. Football stands alone..
The SEC plays 8 conference games Notre Dame plays 5 in the ACC,,,so to say 3 games is the difference between being in a conference and not being in a conference isn't realistic
Notre Dame has a wide variety of sports and lays in a unique geographical location for all of those sports. Having both a lacrosse team and hockey team. They are very good in both sports and being an independent in football gives them freedom to makes choices being in a conference would not allow. During WW2 Navy opened a training facility at Notre Dame. Notre Dame honors Navy for helping keep the university open during the war by playing them every year even though Notre Dame wins 90% of those games. Notre Dame enjoys freedom of picking games and only having 5 locked in at football. I believe a Big 10 Notre Dame would make a fun basketball season much more exciting, but I believe that won't happen, unless the Big 10 makes deals to allow Notre 3 or 4 open non-Big 10 football games, which I don't think would happen. Also, the Big 10 stinks at college lacrosse and Notre Dame wants a challenge in that sport. The Big 10 hockey league contains Notre Dame due to the ACC having no hockey of their own. Just a few thoughts for you.
The way media money is spit up in conferences it might actually cost nd money to join big 10 as long as NBC has exclusive contract with school.
All of their other sports play in the ACC. They won't join the big 10 if they join a conference
They’d go to the ACC bc all of their other sports are in that conference
I think ND only joins the Big 10 if college football shifts significantly to the point where they have to in order to remain competitive on the field and in their wallet. I think that is possible but it’s far down the road. Hopefully both sides don’t have too much pride to ignore the obvious.
Notre Dame should form a conference with the other 17 private fbs schools. It would be a true national conference with a member in nearly every major media/streaming market, have complete autonomy, be able to make international agreements (to showcase the Big 3 sports and the Olympic sports), solid in Football, and become one of the top academic conferences immediately. Plus ND would be a shot-caller and will likely wield influence as way it wants. Top to bottom, its a solid conference. To stroke their own egos, they could even call it the Big Ivy Conference.
National:
Boston College
Duke
Liberty
Miami
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Vanderbilt
American:
Baylor
BYU
Rice
SMU
Stanford
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
USC
....This Makes Too Much Sense.
Good luck with that. While BC, MIAMI, CUSE & perhaps even USC would consider leaving for this new conference, but I can't see DUKE, WAKE, VANDY or STANFORD leaving their existing conferences unless those start to deplete.
Never gonna happen.
@@briggsofdisaster In this environment, could an 18-team conference thrive and be stable with just two football blues (ND & USC), a single football light blue (MIAMI), a single basketball blue (DUKE), and the non-revenue king (STANFORD) backfilled with mid-lower level P5s and various G5s?
Lol… No
@@tarheel7406 It would be difficult.
Um, Michigan wasn't in the Big Ten in 1909 or 1912. They left the conference from 1906-1917. The Big Ten in those days did whatever Stagg wanted; they hated Yost, but needed Stagg because a game at Chicago could fund your whole program for a year. Stagg didn't want another Chicago area team in the Western, and in the early 1900s, feared ND would give Michigan a buddy, since the programs had ties. If you want to get into the stuff I can recommend some books. Start with John Kryk. It's fascinating and weird stuff, and a lot more modern than we realize.
I would love some book recommendations thank you so much
You have the history correct, the one thing you did not point is ND's hypocrisy. They rejected the Big Ten over sour grapes, but still play inferior competition for all their other sports first in the Big East and now the ACC, who both allowed the separate NBC deal. The Big Ten would die if they allowed special TV treatment for select members, just as has happened to the Big XII with Texas, who will now go to the SEC and their more stable TV distribution model like the Big Ten has.
Notre Dame has a TV contract with NBC... or vice versa but, nonetheless, The Irish are joining any conference if they can get more revenue from a independent TV coverage on a national network.
💰talks the loudest
I do like them as an independent but since they play a conference schedule anyway (ACC and Big East before that) them being independent is a joke
ND plays 5 ACC teams per year. The 8 others are throughout the country.
@@domerbuz3813 7 other, but yeah I get what you're saying
ND doesn’t need the Big Ten. The Midwest is losing population and The Irish have aligned themselves with growth demographics in the ACC. They play no less than 9 and sometimes 10 or 11 Power 5 Conference foes per season, as many, and often times more than any SEC team so why is everyone so concerned with them joining a conference. It’s not about money bc joining the Big 10 would probably be more lucrative. It’s their identity. I’m a Penn State grad and joining the Big 10 has made us Eastern Iowa. Will win a league title every 10-15 years but mostly play 3rd and 4th fiddle to Mich and Ohio State. ND charts their own path and has no regrets.
My ideal realignment would be eight conferences with 9 teams. You play 8 conference games and have to schedule other 4 games against teams from the other 7 conferences. Pitt, PSU and ND in the same Conference.
While Notre Dame seems logical geographically and historically for the football part. But the cultural fit would be better in the SEC or ACC. Don't be surprised if Notre Dame (Religious School) doesn't join the Big 10.
For now, remain Independent!
Let's be real, Notre Dame is a big 10 school. They got the big ten feel. The marching band is the big ten style. Plus south bend ain't that for from UM, MSU and OSU
Notre Dame is its own school, not the Big Ten's. My advice is get used to it.
Let's be real. ND is bigger and better than the big 10.
ND is a fantastic school but let's not pretend it's bigger then Michigan.. Michigan is by far the best school in the Midwest.. without Mich ND wouldn't even play football
@@ronniecee2532 ND is better.
@@ronniecee2532 Michigan is a great school and it did introduce ND to football. ND is the better academic institution.
Notre Dame should join the Big Ten Conference but who knows if they will.
If big ten does away with conf alls they have to do is have 2nd best record after ohio st normally to play in big ten championship game. Think once they get a really elite QB they will be a great team.
Legend in their own minds. This past season at best ND would be the third best team in the Big 10, and possibly 5th or 6th.
Big 10 doesn’t want Notre dame. They have made it clear over the years. The only thing that would make sense is if they started doing playoffs like every other sport in the country. You win your conference you’re in the playoffs. That would be the only way to force Notre dame in a conference.
That's not true anymore. More recently they have basically invited them, but ND has a tradition of traveling across the country that the boosters love. They will make people very mad if they join a conference.
I don’t think Norte dame would be a good idea because teams like Nebraska and Illinois would get destroyed
Oh hell cubed no. Except in hockey, of course.
Fresno state to PAC 12 video please
Notre Dame needs to join the ACC and ask Baylor to come along.
Big Ten needs to drop Rutgers and Maryland, add IA State and ND, then stop for 10 years
ND is bigger and better than the big 10.
id rather lock up the DMV. lure away virginia
If notre dame was going to join a conference it would be the ACC
They should join instead of Rutgers or Maryland. Notre Dame football has 4 historical rivalries with Big Ten teams. Purdue, Northwestern, MSU, and Michigan.
Purdue and MSU, yes, Northwestern not anymore and Michigan has only been a recent rivalry.
Notre Dame won't join a conference until it can no longer be a major player in college football without being in one. At that point it will join whatever conference best fits its needs.
i would love to see Alabama, Florida, Georgia, any SEC team play in 10 degree weather. College football is a joke and corrupt.
Why would they join the big ten and lose 3/4 games a year when they could play Boston college Syracuse and Florida st every year and only lose 1/2 games
No, Notre Dame doesn’t fit the B1G research oriented academic profile. Obviously ND is a fine school but it has different orientation. Isn’t it’s ACC affiliation working?
ND's desire for $$$$ will surpass their fear of losing in the B1G TEN. I doubt their football team can get out of conference play unscathed. They will join, but will never see the CFP again. $$$$
As a Michigan fan I’d love ND in the Big10
Notre Dame is like that nerdy chick the Big 10 ignored in highschool that got hot after she graduated.
If they go to the big ten then they need to take all of their sports to the big ten
Nope, no reason to join any conference,....yet. Doesn't make sense financially, or in scheduling.
Why should notre dame join the big ten when the rest of their teams besides hockey are in the acc