Book Bans Reach Historic Highs: How Libraries Became a Political Battleground | Amanpour and Company

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  • Libraries are at the center of another polarizing debate dividing the U.S. in the ongoing culture wars. Efforts by elected officials and activist groups to censor books have escalated to levels unseen since tracking began decades ago. Librarians are now on the front lines of a battle for intellectual freedom. The president of the American Library Association speaks with Hari Sreenivasan about the year of the book bans.
    Originally aired on May 1, 2023
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ความคิดเห็น • 137

  • @MrJBK99
    @MrJBK99 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Sooo... ask your kid what they're reading? Groundbreaking.

  • @StacyInLove1
    @StacyInLove1 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Book-banning lists are actually "reading lists" for me.

  • @barryking5993
    @barryking5993 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    In a Time Where Neighbors are Killing Neighbors We Need To Expand Our Knowledge To See Others As Equals

    • @imperialmotoring3789
      @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you will hand out books at the next black riot downtown?

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Moe Lester's are vermin.

    • @62Cristoforo
      @62Cristoforo ปีที่แล้ว

      But we’re not all equal. This is a commonly held myth. Equality is a concept purported for legal purposes; we are all equal before the law, but that’s about it

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@62CristoforoReally? The OP's not arguing that everybody has an equal ability to perform every single activity. Everybody needs to be held to the same standards and have equal protection under the law or there'll be no respect for the legal system. I'm arguing that those who victimize children should lose their freedom of movement and freedom of speech since it's being used to further victimize children.

    • @davidhoins4588
      @davidhoins4588 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes we All are colours under the same rainbow

  • @doggle2928
    @doggle2928 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The beginning of the Dark Ages! History does repeat itself...

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      The "dark ages" produced beautiful illuminated manuscripts that are works of art. Modern lit is N@mbl@ BS in the guise of "diversity and inclusion".
      th-cam.com/video/_Cd5VUhMrF4/w-d-xo.html. @1:07

    • @joeg46Highlands
      @joeg46Highlands ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "First as tragedy, second as farce "
      Not the only thing Marx got right. The same essay contains a description of Louis Napoleon that might be applied with equal accuracy to many of our contemporary leaders or would-be leaders: "a grotesque mediocrity who gets to play the hero's part".

  • @weston.weston
    @weston.weston ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I appreciate the assertiveness of this interviewee. She did not both sides the issue, she spoke plainly and firmly on behalf of library professionals.

    • @patricialongo5870
      @patricialongo5870 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think assertiveness is making sure all the responses you want hidden are reported at least twice, and all the books with ideas you battle are highly suspect if not gone.
      Assertiveness would be doing something just as harmful to conservatives and their families. The left doesn't assert itself.

    • @AmanpourandCompany
      @AmanpourandCompany  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks for tuning in. We appreciate you!

  • @connieperry1575
    @connieperry1575 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Aloha Kanani'opua - thank you for doing this. Hari- so calm and collected as usual!!! Love your reporting!

  • @johnrolle6645
    @johnrolle6645 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Also with regards to book relevance, sometimes kids reading books previous generations have read
    can give them insight into their forbearers ways of being and thinking. Not to repeat or rehash every mode of thinking and behavior but to provide perspective and maybe even empathy. Ageism is a real thing.

    • @elainelouve
      @elainelouve ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very true. I have as a child enjoyed reading some books my 80+ year old aunt loved in her childhood. They were never my favorites, but helped to understand her. Also they are really good books.
      Now as an adult I finally read my late grandmother's childhood favorite, and can see why she loved it so much.

    • @imperialmotoring3789
      @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

      Zero books have been banned though.

    • @imperialmotoring3789
      @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@donaldburgess7230 A simple Google search shows that zero books have been banned.

    • @imperialmotoring3789
      @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

      They need to put the N-word back into Mark Twain's brilliant book "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn".
      Shame that the Democrats ban books.

  • @garethfitzpatrick3932
    @garethfitzpatrick3932 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    It’s actual insanity. Cult like thinking. If you disagree with the content of a book you can ban yourself from picking it up, not become a moral arbiter of the community.

    • @imperialmotoring3789
      @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

      Zero books have been banned though.

    • @victorjcano
      @victorjcano ปีที่แล้ว

      EXACTLY!!!!!!!

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      So, I'm "insane" to complain about a book instructing kids to Photoshop away any distinguishing marks while $€xting and to compliment whoever sends them a pic?! Do you know Tic t0c comes with a filter that MAKES ADULTS LOOK LIKE TEENS?! I think this is clearly brainwashing that makes it harder to identify a p doe's victims.

  • @Nighthawk-8050
    @Nighthawk-8050 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    If these people want to ban books fine. But don't tell me what books i can't read. I refused to be narrow or closed minded. Fear is those who do not want to learn and expand.

    • @RideAcrossTheRiver
      @RideAcrossTheRiver ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But that's what really bothers them. THEY don't want YOU reading what THEY disapprove.

  • @myindigoblues5796
    @myindigoblues5796 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Time to start a Banned Books book club for 2023. Would be cool to do this every year after the list comes out (Banned Books of 2022, etc). Would make great discussions, I think. Something that’s obviously not happening. Mainstream culture be where they are, in all their toxic rhetoric and bs. Doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t be curious/educated, looking to feed ourselves on something more.

    • @tombirney7276
      @tombirney7276 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @My Indigo Blues In the 70s a monthly Church newspaper would list the books to be banned. My friends would pool our money from paper routes, dish washing, yard work to buy all of them. We traded and read ALL OF THEM!

    • @Buttercup697
      @Buttercup697 ปีที่แล้ว

      … let the Republikkkans wallow in their stupidity and ignorance. 🤷🏻‍♀️🙄

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have chat gee p t write your man-b0y smut then, and quit using my tax money!

  • @teresalegler2777
    @teresalegler2777 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent interview.

  • @ortforshort7652
    @ortforshort7652 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Does anyone see the irony in Racists and Homophobes banning books in libraries? It's amazing that these people were even able to find the library. Let alone the fact that these people are also the least likely to pick up a book with the intent on actually reading it.

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have chat gee p t write your man-b0y smut then and quit using my tax money!

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear. It's rational to be angry about p does using propaganda because that's exactly what's happening. Why else would you support a book instructing kids to Photoshop away any distinguishing marks while $€xting and to compliment whoever sends them a pic?! Do you know Tic t0c comes with a filter that MAKES ADULTS LOOK LIKE TEENS?! I think this is clearly brainwashing that makes it harder to identify a p doe's victims.

  • @r8chlletters
    @r8chlletters ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why don’t they have a union and why aren’t app libraries federalized? These people deserve as much protection as a postal worker and prevent arbitrary blacklisting of books.

  • @brendacarmichael3180
    @brendacarmichael3180 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this excellent interview. Both the interviewer and interviewee are calm, intelligent and well-spoken.

  • @fppgaming3288
    @fppgaming3288 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Fight back. Use the book ban list as a list of books to be published online.

    • @evamurray4229
      @evamurray4229 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly. Their kids will be the first to seek them out.

    • @imperialmotoring3789
      @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

      Zero books have been banned though.

  • @Karen-dq8nw
    @Karen-dq8nw ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Banning books is un-American! We are a free people and a small minority of jerks cannot tell us what to read.

  • @joea363
    @joea363 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I would like to see the Bible and all religious books banned. 😅

    • @EJWash57
      @EJWash57 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or moved to the comic book section...

    • @corinnapetry65
      @corinnapetry65 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      JoeA, I had the same provocative instinct: Should the Bible, Koran, etc., be re-edited to reflect current thought and philosophy?

    • @joea363
      @joea363 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@corinnapetry65 I like your thought. Current thought and philosophy should be used to refute the religious books and put them in thier proper place which is in the mythology section of the library

  • @marymccluer1630
    @marymccluer1630 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Two years ago, my local library branch was vandalized. All the books and computers inside were destroyed. It took a full year to reopen. It was such a loss; the building had welcomed many daily visitors with its towering, floor-to ceiling windows that wrap the building and look out onto lovely woods. Today it has reopened. The books have been replaced but there are far fewer computers for use. A sign of our times...there is always an armed guard on site.
    Libraries are havens for communities. They're a place where everyone is welcome, and the admission is free. If they go away, we will have lost one of America's greatest institutions. I worry that not only is there an attempt to decide whose perspective may be depicted in books but that there may also be a drive to put an end to libraries as communal gathering places. If that were to happen, it would greatly impede our ability to civically engage and further erode our democracy.

  • @stevechance150
    @stevechance150 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I blame FOX News.

    • @jeremyserwer2586
      @jeremyserwer2586 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And the Evangenitals! So glad I don't live in a red state, christian fascists are dopes!

    • @jjjjjjjjkigghh8662
      @jjjjjjjjkigghh8662 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Steve Chance Agree. Every Fox News viewer I know is in favor of this horseshit.

  • @silencedogood7297
    @silencedogood7297 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am so fortunate to live in 1984. I don't have to think or read or speak truth. It is so great to be freed by Big Brother. We are burning the last of the books that could corrupt our empty minds and distract us from making money for the trillionaires who live in the big houses.

  • @mugglescakesniffer3943
    @mugglescakesniffer3943 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I guess I would not want my 5 year old to come home with a book full of sexual acts and slang that may not be biologically accurate or healthy but then I don't think you would find that among the books with Clifford the big Red Dog. I know Author had two episodes that dealt with LGBT. I don't know if they have book equivalents but it is part of life. Most of the time your kids want Clifford, the Hungry caterpillar, bug books glow in the dark books, shark books, stuff they see on cartoons. They aren't sitting there looking for the provocative stuff. People making a big deal about it though may do more harm because people are paying attention and giving attention to these books. Now they are curious and think they are missing out on something. By doing this book ban they have shot their own foot. If they would have left it alone I bet things would be just fine. When I went to the main branch of the St. Petersburg Library I was not looking for prurient books in elementary school. I could have. The library was wide open and my mother let me go there all on my own. I mean Gen X had Judy Blume and the like. Now mothers smother their kids and are afraid to expose them to anything. I mean I understand because there is more violence now but I think a lot of that is known or perpetuated by modern media and the internet. People complain at what is at a Library but you can get porn right from home. The school and library is not your kid's parent. They are your kids educator. You as the parent temper the information with your world view. Shielding them from things is not going to help but discussing the why and what can equip them to more forward in society.

    • @NathanTaylor-bo9rb
      @NathanTaylor-bo9rb ปีที่แล้ว

      As a GenX up bringing, I was just learning basic computer literacy that was taught by a football coach that 1st year. Lol. Home computers were for the rich folks. We were just regular people who were equally poor as our neighbors. The point is that our district had a updated library with free access to the pursuit of knowledge. High School essays and research papers were done in the library. Using the Dewey Decimal System organized and all the little drawers! 😆
      I have noticed that the fundamental priority that public education is a good, worthy endeavor for American progress and opportunity for the best interest of all of us is likely to be called a bad idea for a qualified kid because of the 'woke' bullshit and indoctrination to become a political activist and communist spy unimaginable narrative about education.
      While I am at it. I'm a product of having both parents being career educators. The thing I remember was that the job was tough and they were forced to get masters degrees for a better salary. But they were expressing pissed about the Parents of the kids. Back in the 00s. Plus my fathers classes and other teachers classes too being observed and monitored. The humble acknowledgement of respecting the people who are trained and qualified to be a professional teacher. Teachers are the best people for the crucial job of teaching and disciplining in their individual ways. Let them do the job. I am confident that the shortage of teachers would likely draw many former teachers back. Offer incentives for teachers in the struggling schools. We have taken our kids teachers for granted for so long. Support Teachers as essential leaders and appreciation.

  • @quddusquddus136
    @quddusquddus136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Odd. Men and women who haven’t taken the time to read books now feel to dictate others what to read. Quite a nerve.

  • @patricialongo5870
    @patricialongo5870 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We're not fighting back. Conservatives can report books and people but we're not doing anything to attack them or retaliate. Maybe librarians resist but they're just taking away some books in response.

  • @norikadolmy7274
    @norikadolmy7274 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those changes made to roald dahl books were not well received, they did not improve the stories or even make them less offensive. They added basically nothing and they were widely panned

  • @Darhan62
    @Darhan62 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's stuff like these attacks on libraries that turn people against conservatism. People assume conservatism = ignorance and intolerance, instead of small government and family values.

    • @71suns
      @71suns ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm curious why the belief in 'family values' by those who consider themselves conservative are under the impression that their version of 'family values' is the only one that has validity and that they have the right to impose their version on everyone else.

  • @lauriepelayo296
    @lauriepelayo296 ปีที่แล้ว

    Proud mother here of a very articulate and well read child who became a well read adult. ❤ That is what we should strive for, for all our children.

  • @alysonturcin-weller7443
    @alysonturcin-weller7443 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But you see, parents have the right to decide what their child reads. You cannot argue that.

    • @Karen-dq8nw
      @Karen-dq8nw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      but not what other people's kids read

  • @philipcollier7805
    @philipcollier7805 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Every state has inordinately repressed, bigoted, backward thinking people who resrnt the freedom of expression."

  • @queergrrl83
    @queergrrl83 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great speaker. She’s so articulate.

  • @mitchmack5223
    @mitchmack5223 ปีที่แล้ว

    This reminds me of an episode of Dr. Quinn about her opening a library in town. They had a riot.

  • @johnrolle6645
    @johnrolle6645 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think it was already suggested in the interview but, people........footnotes, annotated versions. Why can't we think critically?
    The bible is fraught with licentious scenarios; let alone ancient Greek and Roman literature. Why is this even an issue?
    In western literature a great many novels take their cue from the Holy Bible directly or indirectly.
    Referring to Genesis 3:11, it seems that the fear of subversion undergirds this debate.
    Difficult as it can be to manage, just because it's available doesn't mean it has be read or
    partaken of. Is this over simplification? Controversy IS good for sales.

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Buddy, you seem like an intellectual. This stuff they're objecting to goes way, way WAY beyond a passage about somebody "lying with" somebody or a crude joke in a Shakespeare play. Have you even seen the excerpts of the p0®n being banned or are you just giving a knee- jerk reaction without knowing the facts?
      th-cam.com/video/_Cd5VUhMrF4/w-d-xo.html. @1:07

  • @evamurray4229
    @evamurray4229 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How dare they? How dare they? Don't read them (They haven't) but don't deny the rest of us reading them.

  • @arjaygee
    @arjaygee ปีที่แล้ว +3

    But Ronna McDaniel just told us Republicans are NOT banning books. How do I know who to believe? 😂😂😂😂

    • @Nighthawk-8050
      @Nighthawk-8050 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      By opening your eye and see my friend 😊

    • @arjaygee
      @arjaygee ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Nighthawk-8050 I was being facetious.

    • @Nighthawk-8050
      @Nighthawk-8050 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@arjaygee oh ok 🙂

    • @no-barknoonan1335
      @no-barknoonan1335 ปีที่แล้ว

      I showed my father who lived during WWII what Rona McDaniel said, and he was like "Yeah, and Hitler just announced they aren't liquidating Jews". Imagine taking someone at their word, over their actions. The actions speak for itself, they can try to obstruct the sun with their thumb, but to anyone with half a brain it's fairly obvious what is going on.

  • @MadTraveler
    @MadTraveler ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So dishonest! I live in Florida and there are no "banned" books! If books with content that's inappropriate for children are removed from school libraries, parents can still get those books from their public libraries or from bookstores. I've seen and reported on some of the "banned" books in my DeSantisland podcast and believe me, these books are R and X rated. They do not belong in junior high libraries.

  • @chopincam-robertpark6857
    @chopincam-robertpark6857 ปีที่แล้ว

    great one Hari

  • @DavidSchilter
    @DavidSchilter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some schools in Australia require parents' permission for kids to borrow certain books. Seems a good solution?

    • @Karen-dq8nw
      @Karen-dq8nw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      which ones and who gets to decide? and would librarians who don't choose which books need permission go to jail That's what desantis wants. damned if you do damned if you don't.

    • @DavidSchilter
      @DavidSchilter ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Karen-dq8nw Oh yeah, I'd also rather not have to compromise on these freedoms too. Imagine kids having to grow up according to the (im)moral compass of DeSantis!

  • @DeeWeber
    @DeeWeber ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Librarians are always on the front lines.

  • @mithulahiri4105
    @mithulahiri4105 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Charlotte's Web, Harry Potter, Huckleberry Finn, Kite Runner, Of Mice and Men, To Kill a Mockingbird, A Wrinkle In Time, etc. are books that I would introduce to my nieces and nephews from a very young age; some no earlier than secondary school (Of Mice and Men and Kite Runner). It's ridiculous that they are banned.

  • @alysonturcin-weller7443
    @alysonturcin-weller7443 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are we seeing in the books?

  • @thomasword5762
    @thomasword5762 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I go to the store to buy a snack or food and I know that I should not have sugar in my food, should I boycott that store for carrying sugar? Should I vote for people who want to ban sugar from all stores? Or should I just find the product I'm looking for and leave the test alone? What if someone feels the opposite of me and they want to ban everything that does not contain sugar? Should we go to war over it? Should we make laws that stores can only carry what we want? This is the kind of sense the Republican Party makes! My advice is for people to start at home and then leave it at home! If you need someone else to come into your home to lead you, you don't need a home. Next someone will be telling you what you can do in yoir own home. Live and let live!

  • @clementthurn1992
    @clementthurn1992 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They need to read a fucking book about Germany circa 1936.........................

  • @imperialmotoring3789
    @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zero books have been banned.

  • @MSArtist01
    @MSArtist01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guns are OK for everyone even children but banning books is what they do.

  • @62Cristoforo
    @62Cristoforo ปีที่แล้ว

    This book banning craze isn’t about deciding what your own kids can and can’t read; it’s more about deciding what other parent’s children can and can’t read

  • @imperialmotoring3789
    @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a single book has been banned.

  • @susanray8811
    @susanray8811 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh, good grief! Then have a small section of ... Adults Only books that only a parent can check out if they want it for their children or for themselves.

  • @corinnapetry65
    @corinnapetry65 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Bible and Koran and other ancient religious texts are "outdated." Should publishers re-edit those, too?

  • @imperialmotoring3789
    @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a single book has been banned though.

  • @christiansmith-of7dt
    @christiansmith-of7dt ปีที่แล้ว

    A couple gunmen standing shifts

  • @imperialmotoring3789
    @imperialmotoring3789 ปีที่แล้ว

    No books have been banned. Not one.

  • @emmahardesty4330
    @emmahardesty4330 ปีที่แล้ว

    Must be time for people like you and me to start membership libraries in our towns. Best to be funded by the super-rich who will not receive any financial gain whatsoever, and best to find buildings without windows. At any rate, buy banned books now.

    • @patricialongo5870
      @patricialongo5870 ปีที่แล้ว

      We've been ok privately funded since the 80s and only the middle class are permitted there by security. You middle class people already took the library.

    • @EJWash57
      @EJWash57 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No windows? In other words, seek knowledge stealthily? This is the end of this fourth-world country.

    • @3namechangezalowdevry90day7
      @3namechangezalowdevry90day7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you even seen the excerpts of this stuff or are you just giving a knee- jerk reaction without knowing the facts?
      th-cam.com/video/_Cd5VUhMrF4/w-d-xo.html. @1:07

    • @mallorywoods3653
      @mallorywoods3653 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Go ahead. 😂 I’m sure that a bunch of people who want everything for free will appreciate the membership fees.

    • @71suns
      @71suns ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@mallorywoods3653 WHAT?

  • @ChannelMath
    @ChannelMath ปีที่แล้ว

    This isnt great, but on the flip side, this could be used to get kids more interested in reading: "welcome to the school library, kids, the most dangerous room in the school! Lots of people think that you should not be able to read all of these books. Some your parents are fighting right now to not let you read some of these books. So some of these books might be gone tomorrow."

  • @MarciaMatthews
    @MarciaMatthews ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some of the books banned in school libraries are too explicit for younger grades.

    • @samanthahicks4253
      @samanthahicks4253 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not sure which books you are referring to, but you will likely find that the more mature content isn't on the elementary or middle school library shelves. Library science is a rigorous vocation and librarians are trained to understand and manage in age-appropriate ways.

  • @bobbart4198
    @bobbart4198 ปีที่แล้ว

    ... Parents DO have a right to participate in these issues, but if YOU as an individual parent choose to ban a book, you should at least be making an informed decision, rather than just letting someone else make that decision for you ... don't be lazy - read the book yourself and make YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT ... Rights are EARNED by taking on Responsibility ... Nobody ever wants to hear this, but it IS true !

  • @MarciaMatthews
    @MarciaMatthews ปีที่แล้ว

    LGB is not the TQ+. Please don’t say it all in one breath.

  • @62Cristoforo
    @62Cristoforo ปีที่แล้ว

    “Where they burn books, in the end they will also burn human beings"
    -Heinrich Heine, 1822
    This quote is inscribed on a plaque at the Nazi book burning memorial on Bebelplatz in Berlin, Germany. The plaque has a quote from Heinrich Heine's play Almansor (written 1821-1822). "Where they burn books, in the end they will also burn human beings" (Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen) about burning of Quran in Granada that was expected to be followed by burning humans (Muslims then Jewish) in 1500s.
    Source:
    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Heine