I totally admire your stance in not selling the problem onto someone else. Awesome attitude. The dealer even suggesting that course of action shows their lack of ethics - and exposes the fact they likely knew about the problem. I hope you’re getting on great with the car! I hope you’re driving it like you stole it in 2021. :)
So sorry to hear your bad experience, hate all these dishonest car dealerships!! I had a bad experience similar to your situation long time ago. I bought a salvage title BMW 318is from a shady dealer and how I regretted it so much!! Well, I will be checking-in to your channel and probably will learn a lot from your videos. I can’t wait to see your 997 fully rebuilt! Good luck!
Hi, I Had the same issue with my 997.1 2005, I drove the car until the engine died, now it is in my garage, I have 3 or 4 choices, to rebuilt engine, to replace the engine with a used one (not very good idea as it may have issues as well); to sell the car for parts or to sell it to the junk yard for $1,000. I agreed with your comment about expending 20K rebuilding the engine when my market value is around 18K it makes no sense; If I am going to rebuilt it, I am going to keep it forever and pass it to my grandchildren.
Yup, that's the math for folks in this situation. Cut and invest in a 997.2 which is a better platform. Or what I chose, which was to take on a project and build an engine and make it mine. Both are tough choices. If you've never built an engine, I'd be careful about choosing the later. This it a tough build. Makes it worth it that much more though.
not sure where you are with your decision? i am 51 years old and would like to tinker with a porsche engine, try my hands on a rebuild?? before you decide to junk yard, if you don't mind reaching out, i would like to buy your porsche and give it a shot?? i'm in florida, i'm sure you are many miles away, that's how it goes: nothing ever as easy as it should be but sometimes worth it in the end! thanks!
@@997Dad The .2s also suffer from bore scoring. There's a thread on Rennlist about the bottom part of the block "shrinking" over time. That causes seizures while the BS on the .1 still allows you to drive the car.
I have an identical problem. Cylinder number 6. Bore scoring, engines ticking, white smoke. Figured it out just after exhaust upgrade. I decided to repair it, but in couple of months. Hang in there, I know the feeling.
Huge respect for sticking to your ethics and morales and not passing this problem along to the next guy like that shady dealer did. JM Legend Auto group should be ashamed of themselves.
im building a 3.4 for my fathers 2000 996. the engine "D" chunked and LN Engineering is a must when dealing with this era Porsche. the Owner we got the car from said the motor was broke and knew whats involved with the repair. He picked up a long block and did the IMS bearing and installed it, got about two thousand miles out of it before the "D" chunk (no cylinder scoring when it broke). we got the car for a song and a dance, removed and tore down the engine and who ever sold him the long block had hammered strips of metal into the water jacket where to beef it up where it finally broke. he tried to get the company to warranty the engine but they wouldn't. some place in New Jersey. Any way, LN is fitting the case half's with 3.8 liter bores and new pistons with rings and clips, about $6,000 also gonna ad their updated IMS, new rods and their recommended head gaskets. all fuel injection, cams and ecu programing can stay stock up to the 3.8 build. With everything in the engine and all the issues addressed for good, gonna be $10'000. Then you can enjoy the 996 with out cringing every time you let the clutch out.
Ha, that story is way funnier than mine. Picturing some guy hammering metal strips into the aluminum block. 🔨 Glad LN got you straightened out. All the other options were fairly sketchy, which is fine for a Toyota but seem out of step with the complexities of a flat 6.
Just tuned into your channel , really sorry to hear your misfortune, but what a journey it has put you on ! Fare play you rolled your sleeves up and got stuck in . Merry Christmas and best wishes .
Man, I feel for you as I’m going through the same situation now. Just subscribed and will be watching all your episodes to give me guidance and hope,,,
I previewed a few of your video's this one makes me the most sad. I have purchased a 997.1 about a year ago, blown motor, but I was willing to take a gamble on the the car assuming I could fix for fun and be under budget. I live in Hawaii, no one wanted to help me except for the dealer, but their solution was new a crate motor for 35,000. I contacted every repair shop local to me and started calling places in California and ran across 9xx motor in long beach and the owner donated his time over the phone to help me diagnose the car and it turned out it was not a cracked block or head only a blown engine cooler. I feel your pain as I am a single dad with a 7 year old boy and a Computer engineer during the day. I had purchased car which was not running but was only supposed to have a bad engine and it turned out the list of deferred items was long. I had my car apart more that once on the floor of my garage. I look forward to seeing your progress. good luck! I can tell you this. once you get sorted and it runs good, you will be happy.
Same thing happened to me. Ticking sound the dealer didn't mention, high oil consumption all within the first couple hundred miles. Dealer said offered me 4.5k so I sued. I decided to get it professionally rebuilt, so my 30k car became a 50k one. Still, when it's done it will be a pretty cool car at 4L.
1st things first, watch this video at 1.25 playback speed. You’re welcome. That said, sorry for your misfortune but much respect for deciding to take it on in your own garage. Also for not pawning the problem off on someone else, which obviously is what the previous owner did, or at least the dealership. I will be entering the 997 market soon with my eyes on the 2nd gen 997.2 to avoid the IMS. But the way prices have jumped lately, I might have to look at a 997.1. So this should be an interesting series to watch. Good luck.
I found your video because I'm dealing with the same issue. Curious to see how you remedy. Right now I have a beautiful 997 in the garage I can look at but can't drive. Sucks. Fortunately I had 10k miles over 4 years before it blew up.
Well, sorry to hear. Technically you can still drive it. It will just consume oil. But long term it will fail. Up to you if you want to fix it or not. Some choose to live with it, some bite the bullet and rebuild.
Own a 997 and watching you made me want to recruit 10 mechanics and head over for fun packed fix it party. Dealer either knew or didn't care to know, mad props for facing it head on and taking control. Look forward to seeing it completed.
You can add yourself to the list of channels that is inspiration. I have a 06 cayman s that on day 3 from the dealer engine failed. I have held on for 4 years. Don't want to do a vid because I know my mouth (I'm an elegant writer but, not speaker. My mind is set with 2 solutions 1 rebuild my 3.4 or change it to Audi 4.2. After watching what it takes 3.4 or 3.6 (for fun) is the way to go. Again thank you for these vids.
I really feel for you so subscribed for catch-up...I hope it’s going to be a happy ending....it’s the big worry here in England just the same. Mine is a 997 Cayman S Gen 1....55k miles. I drive with my heart in my mouth and my hand on my wallet🤔
Beware if you listen to this on headphones, dad here talks at a modest volume, but he has wisely included some extremely loud shouting at 10:00 - seriously, hurt my ears...
I'm in a similar position, programmer as well, they must see us coming. I have a 2002 996 C4S with bore scoring on cylinder 6. The cost in the US of $30k for a full rebuild seems high. In the UK I was quoted £5k which is around $7k USD to replace cylinders 3-6 on the right bank of the engine, which is typically the affected side, not cheap but doable. I'm sitting on my car as a keeper and won't pass the problem on, heck, if I never find the spare money, I'll keep it in my garage for 20 years and give it to my kids, hopefully by then a 40 year old classic Porsche 911 will be worth something even with the engine need rebuilding! Bottom line is I took it on and will deal with it, the guy who sold it to me can find his own karma. You're not alone, shit happens, don't beat yourself up about it, nobody died, you still have a Porsche 911, remember these cars were $100k when new, rebuild the engine and it will be like new.
Thanks for the encouragement. I wish I hadn't payed full price, would have been fine with rebuilding but the cost is double or triple that of most engines. But, the deal is done and like the dog I kicked some grass over that 💩 and moved on.
This cancer called bore score is my biggest fear. I just bought an early '00 996 w/54k miles and so far so good but only 500 miles into my ownership. I didn't get a PPI because my, the willing seller and local shops schedules didn't work so I would have lost the deal. I relied on my inspection ability, research and my gut feel about the seller's honesty. Prior to my purchase I looked at ~20 examples and clearly could tell the ones that had some degree of problems. When it comes to dealers, I'd say 4 out of 5 dealers range from mildly unethical to outright crooks. It is that bad. The few good dealers charge a premium and maybe they deserve it. I'm surprised your dealer even offered $1500 but that likely would include a release from further action on your part (maybe that's why you didn't leave them a Yelp review?). I looked up your dealer's Yelp reviews and I would have avoided them. Love'em or hate'em, Yelp can tell you much about who you plan to do business with. Sort the bad reviews to the top and pay special attention to how the dealer handles their bad reviews. Do they comment and offer a solution? It's pretty easy to glean out the fake 5* reviews.
Yup all of that is true. I read up quite a bit and saw no signs of problems when I purchased. There was extensive history and I even contacted the mechanic and he had no idea it was an issue either. So, oil consumption was my only clue.
Why don't people call it what it is - Porsche engineering is utter dog's dump! Show me a Toyota 2JZ or Nissan 6 cylinder DETT engine that has IMS bearing issues, or common cylinder wall scoring resulting in a $20-30k engine rebuild. Only with Porsche!
While I understand your point, I'm an engineer too and know there isn't a car on the planet free from engineering defects. Are these scoring and IMS issues engineering defects? Yes. 100%. Porsche made some poor decisions and allowed it to carry on way too long. As for the rebuild price tag, it don't know any exotic that has a cheap rebuild price tag. I enjoyed it purely from a learning standpoint and I enjoyed finding these and several other minor defects but hey, maybe I'm a little nutty that way. It's like finding defects in the Linux code base.
Sorry to hear that you suffered this on your car, I’ve owned a few of these and it’s like having a child, your a bit worried about what will happen and the only way to counter this is to buy one with the IMS done and Bore score certificate. Mind you it can happen at any time and is a ticking time bomb, Porsche really ought to have offered some recall on these cars. I wish you all the best with the car and the rebuild. What goes round comes round so maybe this dealer will get his hand of bad luck.
Thanks David. PPI would have saved me a good deal of heartache. Yes you can't be certain unless it's rebuilt to fix those issues but it's a the best option. I can't say it's all bad. I enjoyed the challenge.
It's around 10k in pounds here to rebuild it in the uk with better parts. I went to see a cheap one on Sunday that's had engine rebuild but it's got a ticking sound no smoke or anything but I just don't want to risk it.
Two years ago before getting a 997 i learned a lot about it . At the end i was so scared about bore scoring issue that i gave up on the idea of purchasing one. Then i found a 997 S with a totally new rebuilt motor done by a professional with cast iron cylinder sleeves and the larger IMS (with a 2 years warranty). The owner before me was in a similar situation as you, excepting the bore issue came out one month after he took the car so the dealer afraid of legal proceeding took it back and refund him. Then the dealer had no other choice to do a motor exchange at a specialized garage and resold the car immediately after , i just came at the right time. Now i take the road with peace of mind.
I do but there are tons of examples already on TH-cam. Jake Raby covers it pretty well. No smoke really except a small puff on startup. Sounds like a bad lifter (tick tick) but it's not.
@@997Dad thanks. Did it get worse with higher revs or when the engine warmed up? I have some slight ticking but only have the car is warmed up/goes away at above 1.5k rpm
It can be tricky to diagnose. One of the noninvasive tricks I've seen is a stethoscope or mechanic equivalent to see where the ticking is loudest. If it's coming from the cylinder(s) you need to scope it. Endoscope is $25 on Amazon.
I’m just putting a second look at it. I see both sides. That’s all. Side note, Many people choose to do an inspection on older cars like these as well. Did the dealer discourage that?
If it were a private seller I would have. But the distance etc made it harder to accomplish that inspection. But I'm owning up that mistake .100% of it in fact. This isn't a random $7k oopsey this is 85% the value of the car. In other words the car was totaled before it left the lot.
This is an example that is online of the PPI that my dealership wanted me to do, it loos like a teenager was doing this, see below: I said no way... I rather do it where I know they specialize in Porsche, but they didn't want to give me the 5 day/ 250 miles return guarantee, so I got a warranty that includes powertrain and basically everything on the engine and transmission for 30,000/3 years. I am waiting for the car to arrive next week from Houston to Miami. It's a beautiful Cayman S with 63k miles on it. First thing is I am taking it to the German specialists here in Miami and get a health certificate from them. 2009 PORSCHE CAYMAN S Click to View Large Gallery Download Full-size Pictures (zip) SUMMARY This looks to be a good running and driving Porsche Cayman but it has issues of note. There are scratches all around the vehicle. There are dings on the left rocker panel. There are a number of rock chips in the paint - see pictures. The left quarter panel has been spot repaired between the wheel arch and the intake vent. The headlights have rock chips and the right headlight is sun weathered at the bottom. Both door mirrors have rock chips. There are rock chips all over the hood. There are rock chips on the bottom part of both doors. The steering wheel shows signs of wear. The driver seat shows wear. The inner door panels show wear consistent with age and mileage. The interior trim shows normal wear consistent with age and mileage. The center console shows wear. I found one issue on the test drive. There is a whining noise coming from the drive line that gets louder as the RPMs get higher. When I press the clutch in, no matter what speed, the sound goes away. The engine had plenty of power and there were no misfires or excessive smoking. The transmission shifted as designed with no harsh engagement or slipping. The steering was responsive and the suspension was firm and the vehicle handled well. There were no abnormal vibrations or odd noises. The brakes were firm with no pulsation felt. There were no leaks found to the underside of the vehicle. I hooked up my Scan Tool to the computer system and found no current or pending codes. All of the live data looked good with no issues reported. Overall a decent vehicle. See below and pictures for more info. VEHICLE INFO YEAR 2009 MAKE Porsche MODEL Cayman S MILEAGE 47090 TRANSMISSION Manual VIN NUMBER Wp0ab29899u780525 STOCK NUMBER 780525 INTERIOR Leather INTERIOR COLOR Black BODY COLOR Silver ENGINE 6 Cylinder DRIVE TYPE Rear Wheel Drive FUEL TYPE Gas
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Man it really sucks! i feel for the guy! dream car down the tubes! Dealers are not our friends! Why does it cost so much to rebuild! Man i am a porsche nut! I also love the gen 1 997 but man when i buy i will have the Bores checked before my purchase! Def cant afford that rebuild.
I’m in the market for a 997.1 because it’s possibly the best value at the moment. Have driven several recently. Great cars. Honestly, this video scared the shit out of me. My dealer said high-mileage 997.1 without scoring are unlikely to develop it. Not sure now. Maybe it’ll be a turbo instead. I’m sorry this is happening. I checked out a car from JM online today. No longer a candidate. Looking forward to seeing how this all works out. Best wishes.
This was really painful to watch. I have a 996.2 and I started hearing a little ticking 2 days ago. My car started leaking oil around the same time. I'm sending it over to my shop tomorrow.
Sorry this has happened to you. Can't trust anybody when buying anything really. I hope your rebuild goes well and you can enjoy the car for many years. Maybe they will appreciate in value. BMW Z4 owner and steering clear of Porsche.
Why a PPI and bore score inspection must be done…. I’m looking at a 997.1 now with 70k miles for only 35k… dealer isn’t a Porsche dealer so If they say no ppi and bore score I won’t buy it
Curious how the dealer would know of metal failure in the engine. You stated you drove it home/2 months and 1000 miles? Unless they checked with the camera that you had I don’t see why they are at fault.
If you were a Ford Pinto dealer and you were unaware of the problems they might have then maybe you should not be a dealer of Pintos. This problem in the Porsche world is just as infamous. Turning a blind eye to it doesn't get you off the hook, morally. If I sold you a car with a damaged engine at full price would you be ok with that? That feels right to you? Good luck with that take on life.
Is it possible to track down the previous owners of the 911? It might be they sold the car to the dealer and the dealer was made aware of the bore scoring. If you could prove this, a letter from a lawyer might change the position of the Car dealer.
Greetings from the UK. I feel your pain sir. I always aspired to a Porsche motor car as they had the reputation as "The super car you can use every day" with a reputation for high quality engineering & "hewn from granite" build quality. I had a Boxster from new 2001-04 then a new 997 which I kept till 2016. Of course Porsche were able to hide the issues of IMS & bore scoring of the M96/97 from the public for many years especially here in the UK. I have to admit it really spoilt the enjoyment of owning the 997 as I lived in fear of imminent IMS failure and in the case of bore score its not a case if "IF" but "When" as all M96/97's will suffer from it prematurely.
Yes fear does spoil the enjoyment. It's especially true in this case where a rebuild will outstrip the value of the car 98% of the time. If rebuilds were half the price I think that would bring more value and enjoyment.
@@997Dad Here in the UK the leading experts are a firm in Bolton called Hartech. To upgrade the IMS to the largest post 2006 type & 6 new closed deck Nikasil cylinders is going to cost around £13,000. At $1.34 to the UK pound at today's rate that is $17400. If you need new pistons, valves & con rods you can add to that price.
I feel for your issue ..keep your confidence up and get her done ...Just a tip Flat Six innovations has a series of videos for the m97 engine tear down and rebuild ...A must have if you have never done one before and you want to do it correctly to the T ...BEST OF LUCK ...I will be sure to follow as another 997.1 owner.
There is a dipstick in the 996! 20 000 - 30 000 ... bulshit! You can rebuild that engine well below 10 000 if you got two healthy hands. You can get a new crate engine with about 20 000 and an accident engine at around 8000-10 000.
That's my point. The options available to the average person is 20k. If you want to fix the issues permanently you will not be able to do that much below 10k even by hand. I did it and the math.
I am literally about the pull the trigger on a 997, but this type of story makes me scared to death to do it. I have loved 911's my whole life and I can now finally afford one, but I would really hate to have to come out of pocket $30,000 in addition to the car if this were to happen. Thank you for sharing your story.
If you take away anything, get a pre-purchase inspection by an independent Porsche mechanic. That would have saved me a great deal of hassle! Well worth it
Good people got screwed by the company forcing engineers to bow to unproved and adventurous experiments of ecology freaks. I hope that not before too long you will be able to enjoy this wanderful driving machine.
Bro, a simple 300$ PPI would of steered you clear of this example. Bore scoring is pretty common on S models - 996/997. Did you not do your research on these models prior to being seriously interested?? It's all over the net.
Your point is pretty valid. It's also my point. Let me be the poster child of dumb shit. A couple mistakes in thinking I made were 1) I was aware of this model's problems and thought a dealership would have it inspected. Wrong. 2) If it showed no symptoms, which I knew well from my research, that it wasn't suffering from bore score. Also Wrong! The last point I'll mention is with any car I bought, I'm the warranty, so I was willing to bear the risk.
@@997Dad His point is not valid...a $300 PPI would NOT have caught this. You will not get a serious PPI with the sump dropped and scoping from below (NOT THE SPARK PLUG HOLES) for $300.....with full scoping and compression testing, you are talking more like $1k for a PPI.
@@997Dad As you've learned, there is nothing simple about borescoping one of these. Looking through the spark plug holes is the easiest but MISSES many cases of bore scoring. The only real way is through the bottom and it is hard to find a seller that will let you do that even if they have nothing to hide. It may have caught it in this case, but if you'd passed on this one, you still could have been burned with another. I think you are doing a great job and I hope I face my own ultimate rebuild with such aplomb. I've been to Jake's class and I've go this videos, but actually removing and rebuilding my motor is another thing. I am in CT, too...would have loved to have watched/assisted this process.
You bought a car as is, and the dealer didn't actively try to hide anything, they simply didn't do the research you should have done. This is on you, take responsibility instead of blaming them. There's no way an average used car dealer, hell even a Porsche dealership, is going to bore snake piston 6 etc.
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Good on you for attacking this in a DIY Fashion!
Sam, given that I called you out directly in my video as inspiration, I'd be lying if I didn't say this made my whole day, week, year!
I totally admire your stance in not selling the problem onto someone else. Awesome attitude. The dealer even suggesting that course of action shows their lack of ethics - and exposes the fact they likely knew about the problem. I hope you’re getting on great with the car! I hope you’re driving it like you stole it in 2021. :)
Engine break in 101. Drive it like you stole it 😎
So sorry to hear your bad experience, hate all these dishonest car dealerships!! I had a bad experience similar to your situation long time ago. I bought a salvage title BMW 318is from a shady dealer and how I regretted it so much!! Well, I will be checking-in to your channel and probably will learn a lot from your videos. I can’t wait to see your 997 fully rebuilt! Good luck!
Thanks for the words of sympathy. I will certainly be including the full series of tear down and rebuild. It's all filmed. Just gotta edit it.
Hi, I Had the same issue with my 997.1 2005, I drove the car until the engine died, now it is in my garage, I have 3 or 4 choices, to rebuilt engine, to replace the engine with a used one (not very good idea as it may have issues as well); to sell the car for parts or to sell it to the junk yard for $1,000. I agreed with your comment about expending 20K rebuilding the engine when my market value is around 18K it makes no sense; If I am going to rebuilt it, I am going to keep it forever and pass it to my grandchildren.
Yup, that's the math for folks in this situation. Cut and invest in a 997.2 which is a better platform. Or what I chose, which was to take on a project and build an engine and make it mine. Both are tough choices. If you've never built an engine, I'd be careful about choosing the later. This it a tough build. Makes it worth it that much more though.
not sure where you are with your decision? i am 51 years old and would like to tinker with a porsche engine, try my hands on a rebuild?? before you decide to junk yard, if you don't mind reaching out, i would like to buy your porsche and give it a shot?? i'm in florida, i'm sure you are many miles away, that's how it goes: nothing ever as easy as it should be but sometimes worth it in the end! thanks!
@@997Dad The .2s also suffer from bore scoring. There's a thread on Rennlist about the bottom part of the block "shrinking" over time. That causes seizures while the BS on the .1 still allows you to drive the car.
I have an identical problem. Cylinder number 6. Bore scoring, engines ticking, white smoke. Figured it out just after exhaust upgrade. I decided to repair it, but in couple of months. Hang in there, I know the feeling.
Good luck on your journey!
Huge respect for sticking to your ethics and morales and not passing this problem along to the next guy like that shady dealer did. JM Legend Auto group should be ashamed of themselves.
Agreed
im building a 3.4 for my fathers 2000 996. the engine "D" chunked and LN Engineering is a must when dealing with this era Porsche. the Owner we got the car from said the motor was broke and knew whats involved with the repair. He picked up a long block and did the IMS bearing and installed it, got about two thousand miles out of it before the "D" chunk (no cylinder scoring when it broke). we got the car for a song and a dance, removed and tore down the engine and who ever sold him the long block had hammered strips of metal into the water jacket where to beef it up where it finally broke. he tried to get the company to warranty the engine but they wouldn't. some place in New Jersey. Any way, LN is fitting the case half's with 3.8 liter bores and new pistons with rings and clips, about $6,000 also gonna ad their updated IMS, new rods and their recommended head gaskets. all fuel injection, cams and ecu programing can stay stock up to the 3.8 build. With everything in the engine and all the issues addressed for good, gonna be $10'000. Then you can enjoy the 996 with out cringing every time you let the clutch out.
Ha, that story is way funnier than mine. Picturing some guy hammering metal strips into the aluminum block. 🔨 Glad LN got you straightened out. All the other options were fairly sketchy, which is fine for a Toyota but seem out of step with the complexities of a flat 6.
Just tuned into your channel , really sorry to hear your misfortune, but what a journey it has put you on ! Fare play you rolled your sleeves up and got stuck in . Merry Christmas and best wishes .
Thanks for the kind words 🙏. Merry Christmas to you too!
Man, I feel for you as I’m going through the same situation now. Just subscribed and will be watching all your episodes to give me guidance and hope,,,
Sorry to hear, let me know how it goes.
Did you get a PPI with a bore scope from preferably the sump, or through the the spark plug holes?
This series is an entire lesson on why PPI's are important.
2005 911.997 Carrera S with the 3.8 always have issues with bore score and IMS. No way around it.
I previewed a few of your video's this one makes me the most sad. I have purchased a 997.1 about a year ago, blown motor, but I was willing to take a gamble on the the car assuming I could fix for fun and be under budget. I live in Hawaii, no one wanted to help me except for the dealer, but their solution was new a crate motor for 35,000. I contacted every repair shop local to me and started calling places in California and ran across 9xx motor in long beach and the owner donated his time over the phone to help me diagnose the car and it turned out it was not a cracked block or head only a blown engine cooler. I feel your pain as I am a single dad with a 7 year old boy and a Computer engineer during the day. I had purchased car which was not running but was only supposed to have a bad engine and it turned out the list of deferred items was long. I had my car apart more that once on the floor of my garage. I look forward to seeing your progress. good luck! I can tell you this. once you get sorted and it runs good, you will be happy.
Thanks Mrkaikai. It's been a long journey. I've enjoyed the puzzle and I'm glad to share it with the select few who understand. Cheers 🍻
Same thing happened to me. Ticking sound the dealer didn't mention, high oil consumption all within the first couple hundred miles. Dealer said offered me 4.5k so I sued. I decided to get it professionally rebuilt, so my 30k car became a 50k one. Still, when it's done it will be a pretty cool car at 4L.
Wow, did you end winning? Or still in court?
@@997Dad Still working through the courts. Dude's basically trying to delay it as long as possible, and is planning on appealing everything.
1st things first, watch this video at 1.25 playback speed. You’re welcome. That said, sorry for your misfortune but much respect for deciding to take it on in your own garage. Also for not pawning the problem off on someone else, which obviously is what the previous owner did, or at least the dealership. I will be entering the 997 market soon with my eyes on the 2nd gen 997.2 to avoid the IMS. But the way prices have jumped lately, I might have to look at a 997.1. So this should be an interesting series to watch. Good luck.
Lol, 1.50 speed is even better.
@@DSC800 He’s so chill and laid back. Talks slowly. But content is great!
Would a pre-purchase inspection have saved him from this ordeal?
For sure. To save a few hundred dollars........and now forced to spend thousands!
Most Definitely
I found your video because I'm dealing with the same issue. Curious to see how you remedy. Right now I have a beautiful 997 in the garage I can look at but can't drive. Sucks. Fortunately I had 10k miles over 4 years before it blew up.
Well, sorry to hear. Technically you can still drive it. It will just consume oil. But long term it will fail. Up to you if you want to fix it or not. Some choose to live with it, some bite the bullet and rebuild.
Own a 997 and watching you made me want to recruit 10 mechanics and head over for fun packed fix it party. Dealer either knew or didn't care to know, mad props for facing it head on and taking control. Look forward to seeing it completed.
First, thanks! 🙏 Second, there were definitely times I could have used a hand. Perhaps next time, it will be more fun.
You can add yourself to the list of channels that is inspiration. I have a 06 cayman s that on day 3 from the dealer engine failed. I have held on for 4 years. Don't want to do a vid because I know my mouth (I'm an elegant writer but, not speaker. My mind is set with 2 solutions 1 rebuild my 3.4 or change it to Audi 4.2. After watching what it takes 3.4 or 3.6 (for fun) is the way to go. Again thank you for these vids.
Thanks for the kind words Joseph!
Just found this video in 2021. 997 price is going up nicely.
Man, good people get screwed by dealers every day. I'm sorry to hear about this. Sorry it happened to you :(
Yea it's a tough pill to swallow. Make sure you get a PPI is all I can say.
Did you ever get it fixed?
Yes, You can skip to the end if you'd like to see the outcome
Hey,,I’m sorry this happen to you, good luck with the rebuild
Did you at any point contact a lemon law attorney? People have returned cars 3 to 4 yrs after a dealer purchase here in California.
I did. One guy wanted $1000 up front to even hear of it. 2 lawyers told me to forget it. And one openly mocked me and was quite hostile.
@@997Dad ..that sucks, all the people I know that returned their vehicles where not charged a penny untill the case settled..
I really feel for you so subscribed for catch-up...I hope it’s going to be a happy ending....it’s the big worry here in England just the same. Mine is a 997 Cayman S Gen 1....55k miles. I drive with my heart in my mouth and my hand on my wallet🤔
Hi Derrick, thanks for the support 🙏 and kind words! Thanks for putting up with my non British accent lol!
Beware if you listen to this on headphones, dad here talks at a modest volume, but he has wisely included some extremely loud shouting at 10:00 - seriously, hurt my ears...
Sorry my friend.
I'm in a similar position, programmer as well, they must see us coming. I have a 2002 996 C4S with bore scoring on cylinder 6. The cost in the US of $30k for a full rebuild seems high. In the UK I was quoted £5k which is around $7k USD to replace cylinders 3-6 on the right bank of the engine, which is typically the affected side, not cheap but doable.
I'm sitting on my car as a keeper and won't pass the problem on, heck, if I never find the spare money, I'll keep it in my garage for 20 years and give it to my kids, hopefully by then a 40 year old classic Porsche 911 will be worth something even with the engine need rebuilding!
Bottom line is I took it on and will deal with it, the guy who sold it to me can find his own karma.
You're not alone, shit happens, don't beat yourself up about it, nobody died, you still have a Porsche 911, remember these cars were $100k when new, rebuild the engine and it will be like new.
Thanks for the encouragement. I wish I hadn't payed full price, would have been fine with rebuilding but the cost is double or triple that of most engines. But, the deal is done and like the dog I kicked some grass over that 💩 and moved on.
@@997Dad I just checked out some more videos on your channel and saw you are going to rebuild the engine ourself. Hope it goes well.
Hello mate from England...the specialist company here is Hartech...well respected but how that would work with you I don’t know.
Thanks for the vid. I just bought a 996, and am now freaking out. Bore scope on the way. You should update your borescope link, because it's dead.
Thank for information in market to buy one
This cancer called bore score is my biggest fear. I just bought an early '00 996 w/54k miles and so far so good but only 500 miles into my ownership. I didn't get a PPI because my, the willing seller and local shops schedules didn't work so I would have lost the deal. I relied on my inspection ability, research and my gut feel about the seller's honesty. Prior to my purchase I looked at ~20 examples and clearly could tell the ones that had some degree of problems. When it comes to dealers, I'd say 4 out of 5 dealers range from mildly unethical to outright crooks. It is that bad. The few good dealers charge a premium and maybe they deserve it. I'm surprised your dealer even offered $1500 but that likely would include a release from further action on your part (maybe that's why you didn't leave them a Yelp review?).
I looked up your dealer's Yelp reviews and I would have avoided them. Love'em or hate'em, Yelp can tell you much about who you plan to do business with. Sort the bad reviews to the top and pay special attention to how the dealer handles their bad reviews. Do they comment and offer a solution? It's pretty easy to glean out the fake 5* reviews.
Yup all of that is true. I read up quite a bit and saw no signs of problems when I purchased. There was extensive history and I even contacted the mechanic and he had no idea it was an issue either. So, oil consumption was my only clue.
Why don't people call it what it is - Porsche engineering is utter dog's dump!
Show me a Toyota 2JZ or Nissan 6 cylinder DETT engine that has IMS bearing issues, or common cylinder wall scoring resulting in a $20-30k engine rebuild. Only with Porsche!
While I understand your point, I'm an engineer too and know there isn't a car on the planet free from engineering defects. Are these scoring and IMS issues engineering defects? Yes. 100%. Porsche made some poor decisions and allowed it to carry on way too long. As for the rebuild price tag, it don't know any exotic that has a cheap rebuild price tag. I enjoyed it purely from a learning standpoint and I enjoyed finding these and several other minor defects but hey, maybe I'm a little nutty that way. It's like finding defects in the Linux code base.
Woot woot am subscriber number 2! Like your videos so far 997 Dad!
Thanks! You are getting in on the ground floor! Lol
Sorry to hear that you suffered this on your car, I’ve owned a few of these and it’s like having a child, your a bit worried about what will happen and the only way to counter this is to buy one with the IMS done and Bore score certificate. Mind you it can happen at any time and is a ticking time bomb, Porsche really ought to have offered some recall on these cars. I wish you all the best with the car and the rebuild. What goes round comes round so maybe this dealer will get his hand of bad luck.
Thanks David. PPI would have saved me a good deal of heartache. Yes you can't be certain unless it's rebuilt to fix those issues but it's a the best option. I can't say it's all bad. I enjoyed the challenge.
How much of the engine is still in good enough shape to reuse for the rebuild?
I reused most main components except pistons. New seals, bearings and bolts.
It's around 10k in pounds here to rebuild it in the uk with better parts. I went to see a cheap one on Sunday that's had engine rebuild but it's got a ticking sound no smoke or anything but I just don't want to risk it.
PPI is the way tp go even if it wasn't ticking. But yea you don't want to waste that money either.
Two years ago before getting a 997 i learned a lot about it .
At the end i was so scared about bore scoring issue that i gave up on the idea of purchasing one.
Then i found a 997 S with a totally new rebuilt motor done by a professional with cast iron cylinder sleeves and the larger IMS (with a 2 years warranty).
The owner before me was in a similar situation as you, excepting the bore issue came out one month after he took the car so the dealer afraid of legal proceeding took it back and refund him.
Then the dealer had no other choice to do a motor exchange at a specialized garage and resold the car immediately after , i just came at the right time.
Now i take the road with peace of mind.
That's a great deal! Enjoy!
I am buying one with a 3 year/30,000 mile warranty on engine and powertrain including electrical a beautiful Cayman S 2008 w/63k on it.
do you have a video of the car running with the tick/noise by chance?
I do but there are tons of examples already on TH-cam. Jake Raby covers it pretty well. No smoke really except a small puff on startup. Sounds like a bad lifter (tick tick) but it's not.
@@997Dad thanks. Did it get worse with higher revs or when the engine warmed up? I have some slight ticking but only have the car is warmed up/goes away at above 1.5k rpm
It can be tricky to diagnose. One of the noninvasive tricks I've seen is a stethoscope or mechanic equivalent to see where the ticking is loudest. If it's coming from the cylinder(s) you need to scope it. Endoscope is $25 on Amazon.
I’m just putting a second look at it. I see both sides. That’s all.
Side note, Many people choose to do an inspection on older cars like these as well. Did the dealer discourage that?
If it were a private seller I would have. But the distance etc made it harder to accomplish that inspection. But I'm owning up that mistake .100% of it in fact. This isn't a random $7k oopsey this is 85% the value of the car. In other words the car was totaled before it left the lot.
This is an example that is online of the PPI that my dealership wanted me to do, it loos like a teenager was doing this, see below: I said no way... I rather do it where I know they specialize in Porsche, but they didn't want to give me the 5 day/ 250 miles return guarantee, so I got a warranty that includes powertrain and basically everything on the engine and transmission for 30,000/3 years. I am waiting for the car to arrive next week from Houston to Miami. It's a beautiful Cayman S with 63k miles on it. First thing is I am taking it to the German specialists here in Miami and get a health certificate from them.
2009 PORSCHE CAYMAN S
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SUMMARY
This looks to be a good running and driving Porsche Cayman but it has issues of note. There are scratches all around the vehicle. There are dings on the left rocker panel. There are a number of rock chips in the paint - see pictures. The left quarter panel has been spot repaired between the wheel arch and the intake vent. The headlights have rock chips and the right headlight is sun weathered at the bottom. Both door mirrors have rock chips. There are rock chips all over the hood. There are rock chips on the bottom part of both doors. The steering wheel shows signs of wear. The driver seat shows wear. The inner door panels show wear consistent with age and mileage. The interior trim shows normal wear consistent with age and mileage. The center console shows wear. I found one issue on the test drive. There is a whining noise coming from the drive line that gets louder as the RPMs get higher. When I press the clutch in, no matter what speed, the sound goes away. The engine had plenty of power and there were no misfires or excessive smoking. The transmission shifted as designed with no harsh engagement or slipping. The steering was responsive and the suspension was firm and the vehicle handled well. There were no abnormal vibrations or odd noises. The brakes were firm with no pulsation felt. There were no leaks found to the underside of the vehicle. I hooked up my Scan Tool to the computer system and found no current or pending codes. All of the live data looked good with no issues reported. Overall a decent vehicle. See below and pictures for more info.
VEHICLE INFO
YEAR 2009
MAKE Porsche
MODEL Cayman S
MILEAGE 47090
TRANSMISSION Manual
VIN NUMBER Wp0ab29899u780525
STOCK NUMBER 780525
INTERIOR Leather
INTERIOR COLOR Black
BODY COLOR Silver
ENGINE 6 Cylinder
DRIVE TYPE Rear Wheel Drive
FUEL TYPE Gas
EXTERIOR
WIPER BLADES
WINDSHIELD WASHER
BODY ALIGNMENT
SCRATCHES
There are scratches all around the vehicle.
DINGS
There are dings on the left rocker panel.
DENTS
PAINT CONDITION
There are a number of rock chips in the paint - see pictures.
BODY SEALS
RUST
EXTERIOR LIGHTS
The headlights have rock chips and the right headlight is sun weathered at the bottom.
DOOR MIRRORS
Both door mirrors have rock chips.
BUMPERS
FRAME DAMAGE
GLASS
BODY FILLER?
HOOD
There are rock chips all over the hood.
DOORS
There are rock chips on the bottom part of both doors.
FLOORS
ROCKERS
QUARTER PANELS
The left quarter panel has been spot repaired between the wheel arch and the intake vent.
INTERIOR
STEERING WHEEL
The steering wheel shows signs of wear.
HORN
CRUISE CONTROL
SEAT CONDITION The driver seat shows wear.
SEAT BELTS
CLOCK
RADIO/NAVIGATION
INNER DOOR PANELS
The inner door panels show wear consistent with age and mileage.
POWER LOCKS
WINDOW SWITCHES
WINDOW FUNCTION
CENTER CONSOLE The center console shows wear.
DASH
SUN VISORS
DASH LIGHTS
DASH GAUGES
AIR CONDITIONING
HEATER
REAR DEFROSTER
CARPET
FLOOR MATS
CIGARETTE USE
UNUSUAL ODORS
CUP HOLDERS
HEADLINER
BLOWER MOTOR
INTERIOR TRIM
The interior trim shows normal wear consistent with age and mileage.
MECHANICAL
AIR FILTER
BATTERY CONDITION
CHARGING SYSTEM
COOLING FAN CONDITION
RADIATOR CAP SEALING PROPERLY
HOSES
RADIATOR
ENGINE COOLANT
COOLANT LEAKS
BELTS
POWER STEERING
ENGINE FLUID LEAKS
TRANSMISSION LEAKS
BRAKE SYSTEM
BRAKE FLUID LEAKS
DIFFERENTIAL LEAKS
MUFFLER SYSTEM
CV JOINTS AND AXLES
SHOCKS AND BUSHINGS
BALL JOINTS AND TIE RODS
KEY FOB
ROAD TEST
ROAD TEST
ENGINE PERFORMANCE
TRANSMISSION PERFORMANCE
There is a whining noise coming from the drive line that gets louder as the RPMs get higher. When I press the clutch in, no matter what speed, the sound goes away.
CLUTCH PERFORMANCE
DIFFERENTIAL PERFORMANCE
WHEEL BEARING PERFORMANCE
BRAKING PERFORMANCE
SUSPENSION PERFORMANCE
STEERING PERFORMANCE
ENGINE STARTING
TIRE PRESSURE SYSTEM (TPMS)
COMPUTER DIAGNOSIS/OBD2
Computer system scanned: no problems with current or pending codes. No problems with live data. It is possible for some sneaky sellers to erase codes before we arrive, in which case some issues may be hidden.
MANUFACTURER
Driver Front Bridgestone Bridgestone Passenger Front
Driver Rear Bridgestone Bridgestone Passenger Rear
SIZE
Driver Front 235/35R19 235/35R19 Passenger Front
Driver Rear 265/35R19 265/35R19 Passenger Rear
TIRE CONDITION
Driver Front No Issues No Issues Passenger Front
Driver Rear No Issues No Issues Passenger Rear
WHEEL CONDITION
Driver Front Curb Rash No Issues Passenger Front
Driver Rear No Issues No Issues Passenger Rear
TIRE TREAD
Driver Front 9/32 9/32 Passenger Front
Driver Rear 8/32 8/32 Passenger Rear
SPARE TIRE
SPARE TIRE No
TIRE TREAD EXPLANATION
10/32 OR MORE
Tires have plenty of tread!
(standard)
8/32 OR MORE
Tires have plenty of tread!
(low profile)
5/32 TO 7/32
Tires will need replacement soon!
4/32 OR LESS
Tires need replacement!
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Man it really sucks! i feel for the guy! dream car down the tubes! Dealers are not our friends! Why does it cost so much to rebuild! Man i am a porsche nut! I also love the gen 1 997 but man when i buy i will have the Bores checked before my purchase! Def cant afford that rebuild.
Yea, if you learned anything, do a ppi, then enjoy!
I’m in the market for a 997.1 because it’s possibly the best value at the moment. Have driven several recently. Great cars. Honestly, this video scared the shit out of me. My dealer said high-mileage 997.1 without scoring are unlikely to develop it. Not sure now. Maybe it’ll be a turbo instead. I’m sorry this is happening. I checked out a car from JM online today. No longer a candidate. Looking forward to seeing how this all works out. Best wishes.
This was really painful to watch. I have a 996.2 and I started hearing a little ticking 2 days ago. My car started leaking oil around the same time. I'm sending it over to my shop tomorrow.
Hope it goes well!
On the upside, the value of the 997 has gone up quite a bit over the last few months. I hope you cover your losses eventually
moral of the story always do a pre purchase inspection
Spoiler alert 😂
Sorry this has happened to you. Can't trust anybody when buying anything really. I hope your rebuild goes well and you can enjoy the car for many years. Maybe they will appreciate in value. BMW Z4 owner and steering clear of Porsche.
Those are fun cars too.
Why a PPI and bore score inspection must be done…. I’m looking at a 997.1 now with 70k miles for only 35k… dealer isn’t a Porsche dealer so If they say no ppi and bore score I won’t buy it
If you take away one thing from my channel it should be that.
@@997Dad Part of me wants to keep my 2018 Macan. PDK is amazing and have a cPO until 2024. I abuse it everyday knowing its covered.
I got screwed by the eBay company nein lives 1700 miles have piston slap on new rebuild buyer beware!
Curious how the dealer would know of metal failure in the engine. You stated you drove it home/2 months and 1000 miles? Unless they checked with the camera that you had I don’t see why they are at fault.
If you were a Ford Pinto dealer and you were unaware of the problems they might have then maybe you should not be a dealer of Pintos. This problem in the Porsche world is just as infamous. Turning a blind eye to it doesn't get you off the hook, morally. If I sold you a car with a damaged engine at full price would you be ok with that? That feels right to you? Good luck with that take on life.
Is it possible to track down the previous owners of the 911? It might be they sold the car to the dealer and the dealer was made aware of the bore scoring. If you could prove this, a letter from a lawyer might change the position of the Car dealer.
I tried all that. No luck. Imma just love my car and let all that s**t go.
Greetings from the UK. I feel your pain sir. I always aspired to a Porsche motor car as they had the reputation as "The super car you can use every day" with a reputation for high quality engineering & "hewn from granite" build quality. I had a Boxster from new 2001-04 then a new 997 which I kept till 2016. Of course Porsche were able to hide the issues of IMS & bore scoring of the M96/97 from the public for many years especially here in the UK. I have to admit it really spoilt the enjoyment of owning the 997 as I lived in fear of imminent IMS failure and in the case of bore score its not a case if "IF" but "When" as all M96/97's will suffer from it prematurely.
Yes fear does spoil the enjoyment. It's especially true in this case where a rebuild will outstrip the value of the car 98% of the time. If rebuilds were half the price I think that would bring more value and enjoyment.
@@997Dad Here in the UK the leading experts are a firm in Bolton called Hartech. To upgrade the IMS to the largest post 2006 type & 6 new closed deck Nikasil cylinders is going to cost around £13,000. At $1.34 to the UK pound at today's rate that is $17400. If you need new pistons, valves & con rods you can add to that price.
Yea, unfortunate you are now approaching the value of a used 996 without scoring. Seems like something more economical could be offered here.
I feel for your issue ..keep your confidence up and get her done ...Just a tip Flat Six innovations has a series of videos for the m97 engine tear down and rebuild ...A must have if you have never done one before and you want to do it correctly to the T ...BEST OF LUCK ...I will be sure to follow as another 997.1 owner.
There is a dipstick in the 996!
20 000 - 30 000 ... bulshit!
You can rebuild that engine well below 10 000 if you got two healthy hands. You can get a new crate engine with about 20 000 and an accident engine at around 8000-10 000.
That's my point. The options available to the average person is 20k. If you want to fix the issues permanently you will not be able to do that much below 10k even by hand. I did it and the math.
997 Dad Yes, you can.
Well, I'm convinced then.
I am literally about the pull the trigger on a 997, but this type of story makes me scared to death to do it. I have loved 911's my whole life and I can now finally afford one, but I would really hate to have to come out of pocket $30,000 in addition to the car if this were to happen. Thank you for sharing your story.
If you take away anything, get a pre-purchase inspection by an independent Porsche mechanic. That would have saved me a great deal of hassle! Well worth it
Good people got screwed by the company forcing engineers to bow to unproved and adventurous experiments of ecology freaks. I hope that not before too long you will be able to enjoy this wanderful driving machine.
Bro, a simple 300$ PPI would of steered you clear of this example. Bore scoring is pretty common on S models - 996/997. Did you not do your research on these models prior to being seriously interested?? It's all over the net.
Your point is pretty valid. It's also my point. Let me be the poster child of dumb shit. A couple mistakes in thinking I made were 1) I was aware of this model's problems and thought a dealership would have it inspected. Wrong. 2) If it showed no symptoms, which I knew well from my research, that it wasn't suffering from bore score. Also Wrong! The last point I'll mention is with any car I bought, I'm the warranty, so I was willing to bear the risk.
@@997Dad His point is not valid...a $300 PPI would NOT have caught this. You will not get a serious PPI with the sump dropped and scoping from below (NOT THE SPARK PLUG HOLES) for $300.....with full scoping and compression testing, you are talking more like $1k for a PPI.
I was acknowledging the PPI point not the price. Though in this case even a simple bore scope would have been enough.
@@997Dad As you've learned, there is nothing simple about borescoping one of these. Looking through the spark plug holes is the easiest but MISSES many cases of bore scoring. The only real way is through the bottom and it is hard to find a seller that will let you do that even if they have nothing to hide. It may have caught it in this case, but if you'd passed on this one, you still could have been burned with another. I think you are doing a great job and I hope I face my own ultimate rebuild with such aplomb. I've been to Jake's class and I've go this videos, but actually removing and rebuilding my motor is another thing. I am in CT, too...would have loved to have watched/assisted this process.
Change the playback speed to 1.5 :)
You bought a car as is, and the dealer didn't actively try to hide anything, they simply didn't do the research you should have done. This is on you, take responsibility instead of blaming them. There's no way an average used car dealer, hell even a Porsche dealership, is going to bore snake piston 6 etc.
I think you missed the whole point. I did take and bear all the responsibility
💯 as you'll see.