The only thing I don’t understand is why they refuse to give Vegeta a clean, clear cut, winning arc. Let Vegeta evolve and be the big hero #1 for once. With him pulling the full risk of loss.
Because he’s a side character… that’s something most people seem to forget. Yes he’s on par with the main character in terms of abilities and strength but ultimately, he is not the focus of the show.
Vegeta has to lose, it's the only thing that drives his character lol his story is one of loss and if you don't see that you're lying to yourself if you think Vegeta is your favorite character
One thing I appreciate is that Vegeta in this state isn't a completely old person nor a new person, and this state isn't suddenly a forced brutality that will hurt others inherently. It allows for control and the general nature isn't going to consume Vegeta like when he was way back in early Z. It is just harnessing the power innate within him. Since he doesn't actually destroy the home himself, it's safe to say he doesn't completely lose it. He just gives Goku a hit because he interfered and can take it. Most of the stuff Vegeta does that is aggressive now is out of a new purpose, but he doesn't lose everything that makes himself who he is, just like Goku doesn't become a different person entirely with UI. It all is delving into true nature, and I think Vegeta can actually keep Ego under check without disregarding everything he has experienced if he truly does master it. Like Goku learning true Instinct through his own roots as one with Saiyan Blood as well as a peaceful upbringing. Vegeta having the harsher upbringing does mean he gets more aggressive, but doesn't hamper him. Even Majin Vegeta still loved his family, he didn't end up hitting any of his family or friends in the blast. It may not actually require full detachment. If Goku needs to hear his father to gain new power, I don't see why Vegeta needs to lose his family ties to do the same. They are both inherently different yet linked.
@@robxholicfoxyfan8552 New Vegeta is a weak beta who can’t really protect anyone. His mentality is completely screwed up and he’s gone through serious character regression. At least when he was pure evil in early Z invading earth, it was the closest he ever got to accomplishing anything. The second closest he ever got was when he fully embraced himself and his way of life but still had real character development and goes through with his ideals to sacrifice himself and kill Buu.
@@Vazel You know I’m right. Toriyama has committed character assassination on Vegeta. Otherwise why does he feel like such a damn joke in the current arc? When he was introduced he was such a threat and a real menace in the narrative? Despite him now being an untold billions of times stronger now than he was back as a “puny” normal Saiyan and Frieza pawn?
Bro put it together so neat, I actually like Ultra Ego a lot better. The fact that vegeta struggles to master it because he can’t fully become the “callous man” he once was i just love that.
Vegeta beating Goku in base is good enough for me. He’s done that twice, when there aren’t macguffins to help the story progress he’s beaten the strongest/main character of DB. As a Vegeta fan that’s fine for me. He won on earth the first time, and he won in the super hero movie. I cant complain.
I feel like Vegeta's final stage in this line of transformations is going to be a harmony between the best aspects of his Super Ego, and his Ego. A "Perfect" ego so to speak. Both the pride filled, strength obsessed, battle hungry sayian, but also the caring protective father who wants to push everyone one around him to constantly strive to improve and aim to be the best.
I feel like the power up would make sense as the rage boost he got when defending Bulma fits that narrative. His Saiyan rage and pride aligned with the part of him that's caring since it was rage on Bulma's behalf and pride as a protector
@SonnyCapone not necessarily goku is very aligned with being a warrior and martial artist, and he accepts his saiyan side to boost both in that respect, where as vegetas ego is derived from being a saiyan warrior, a far more callous person who couldn’t care about being a martial artist or having a moral code of battle or war, gokus morals affect his fights outcomes time and time again, not killing opponents cause he is a moral martial artist who wants people to have a chance to grow just like vegeta and piccolo did, but vegeta (in a setting where there is nothing to protect) sees the danger of war and need for conquest/killing of others as his ‘happy place’. His pride as a father and need to protect his wife and love ones is separated from his morals in battle, the only reason he couldn’t master ultra ego is because he simply could not let go of everything (his new life) outside of battle. I would Like to hear your thoughts.
Yeah the way beerus was talking to him in the granolah arc makes it seem like this is what’s gonna happen. Like he has to get that pride and no regret for destruction back but it’s hard because when he used to do that he was evil. I think he’s going to end up getting it back tho because he’ll realize that before he was doing it for evil but now that he does it for his family, his home, and for honorable reasons, this will make him realize that he doesn’t have to feel any type of shame or regret anymore and he can regain that pride love for destruction that is needed to master UE.
This is well thought, well in-depth video. It goes into how Vegeta was able to achieve the Ultra Ego form while also explaining the name behind it. Great Job.
What a severely underrated video. I hope this blows up. Never seen anyone talk about the true design behind Ultra Ego like this before. I think we saw the very beginnings of Ultra Ego begin to emerge during the ToP, where Vegeta finally chooses to blaze his own trail, as opposed to constantly following Goku's. 10/10 my man. Keep up the great content.
@@soundrogue4472hey man the content is a gateway to good thinking. All paths are unknown, better to have found this than to have not. Show love to other fans of the series
@@tyxbreaker are you dense? I'm saying someone already predicted/ called this WAY before this video. Nothing I said positive nor negative towards this content creator.
Pretty awesome video! I didn't take issue with the name when I first heard it, in fact I thought it sounded perfect, and your video essay all the more proves that. Vegeta is on a path of discovery of self, and understanding his "ego" I think is perfect place for his character development to be in
Honestly I've never had any issues with ultra ego's name, design, or even its powers. It's very clearly still incomplete, just as Goku's UI was incomplete when he first started using it. As Vegeta improves and develops new skills to supplement UE, I think we'll see it really come into its own. Maybe he'll develop a passive regen to help compensate for the damage he takes, or he'll improve the speed of his ability to ramp up in strength. I suspect that he'll stop outright tanking attacks as he gets more experienced and instead start focusing on trading blows, using the damage he takes to grow stronger at the moment of his attacks, then recovering during the lull of combat with passive regen or something
He's not actually gaining strength from the damage he takes. He gets stronger the more he lets his emotions take over. He just used taking damage to speed that process up.
Nah, all Vegeta needs is to gather Super Dragonballs and wish for immortality like Zamasu did, viola! Now he has god level infinite Regen and Stamina to use Ultra Ego and tank with it for unlimited time!
I don’t get the ‘goofy name’ argument. It’s perfectly descriptive of the form’s function, effectively communicates that it’s the antithesis to Ultra Instinct, and if nothing else is no more goofy than Super Saiyan Blue. I genuinely appreciate making new forms that align with the character’s, well, character, and their personal story and growth.
@@elfascisto6549 Being accurate doesn’t make it not goofy. The name being “It’s a super saiyan, but it’s blue” is, and I’m not throwing shade here, pretty goofy. Just to illustrate my point, what if super saiyan 2 was named “super saiyan with crackly blue electric aura,” or if 3 was “super saiyan with long hair and shaved eyebrows?” Or 4 being “super saiyan monkey?”
@@Sarge327 You’re right, lol. I say this lovingly, I adore this series, but yeah, it’s definitely silly. I think we’ve all embraced that silliness, though.
@@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st Yeah, it’s why I’m so confused at people saying Beast looks “too goofy”. I’m just sitting there like “Yeah, that’s a pretty nice third form Freeza’s got.”
Finally someone gave Ultra Ego some justice. Many people trash on the form for multiple reasons but they rarely try to understand it. It's quite possible the best form for Vegeta, his destructive nature that he was born and raised with. I see him one day mastering Ultra Ego in a way that matters to him specifically. His pride as the prince of saiyans, his pride as a man who protects his family, and his pride for his destructive nature mixed together to make a form that helps him overcome his own hurdles that put him behind Goku
@@GIRru11 Yup, don’t get me wrong Z is my favorite and def the best series but the same issues super has (outside of there being no real tension since it’s before the end of z) is the same issues Z has they’re just too biased to admit it
It's funny how you talk about the Ego and Super Ego in the vid. Cause, although it's a bit different with Freud, I feel like Goku's UI can be directed as the Id. The natural, primal self that never thinks higher thoughts than the base of "eat, reproduce, survive" So Vegeta going in the opposite direction, where the mind is in full control of the body vs the body moving in a primal instinct really hammers a duality thing I've enjoyed with Super so far.
As someone who has never read or watched any Dragonball, yet constantly find myself watching video essays on it, I just want to clarify something. The comparison between the two is more or less the whole "unstoppable force meets immovable object" thing right?
You got it spot on. Ego doesn’t mean “arrogance”. It means the self. Everyone has ego. People saying the name is stupid is actually coming from their own ego. Vegeta is accepting himself which makes him stronger.
Honestly, it is just bad translation. The original is 我儘 which is better translated as self-serving or self-interested. Vegetable is driven by his own interests to bring maximum destruction in this form. Ego is about "self." But Wagamama is thinking "only about self." Vegeta's "Wagamama" makes a good contrast with Goku's "Migatte." The two words are very similar, but "Migatte" takes an extra step by acting in self-interests even by harming others. 身勝手 is actually a double entendre because it literally means "body moves on its own." I personally would have appreciated "Ultra Impulse" instead of "Ultra instinct."
12:29 The contrast of these images is astounding... Perhaps the way to distinguish how these forms are different would be this: Goku's form is like the flow state when you're fully concentrated on a game and the world around you disappears, since fighting is like a fun game to Goku, it's like an experimental sandbox he's messing around with. For Vegeta with the chip on his shoulder of always trying to survive in war, not fights for fun or martial arts sportsmanship but fights to the death, his form is like adrenaline and survival instinct to utterly dominate his opponent without mercy. So more of a bloodlust and frenzy of war like someone who enjoys gunning down everyone in their way and rack up killcount (to feel pride in), while Goku's is classic martial arts discipline and focus (throwing yourself against the insurmountable mountain of Jiren to surpass and better yourself, Goku's eternal goal as a gamer who wants to get gud)
Vegeta was the equivalent stepdad for me. And Goku was the equivalent of my Biodad. They both brought the best me out of me. Just like Goku and Vegeta.
I genuinely enjoyed this video. Your college level essay explanation of this 100% brought me to a state of bliss that evolved my love for Dragon Ball. Thank you man.
I already understood it. Maybe it's just because of my knowledge of the English language, but I understood the transformations name as soon as I heard it.
Love the video I wanna say since you used the final explosion at least for the English kai dub I love how krillen screams Vegeta coming from the man who had a katana on him in the Saiyan arc
the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity. I never knew I like this form a lot more now thanks.
"Huh, this is a new feeling.. pride in someone else. Unfortunately its overshadowed by all this UNYIELDING RAGE" - TFS capturing the battle between Vegetas Ego and Superego
Tbh ur channel is the best in explaining these kinds of things, u really script ur videos so well that I feel like one with the video, this is a masterpiece just as the other videos you've made so far, Btw I never hated ultra ego's name, it is a dope ass form in my opinion i honestly kinda disliked it the first but it really grew up on me as i started understanding it
This video not only put this form into a whole new perspective for me but honestly it’s growing to be one of my favorite forms due to the philosophy of it
Vegeta is still a trainee in UE/Hakai. He can still be blasted by energy blasts, Top couldn't even be bothered by blasts in his destroyer form until he was very weak an could barely muster a blast. Granted Vegeta had more power and strength overall in the end and was able to overcome Top become Vegeta himself is Hakai sensitive.
I think this is more of an interim form for vegeta, when he finally squares both halves of his self he’ll have something different and something more fully his own
This is a great video, I feel I'd have to watch it multiple times to grasp it fully but that's just a 'me' thing, thank you! Will definitely share it when the moment arises.
His ultra ego form is an amplification of his saiyan heritage and pride. He's always fought for himself, while Goku fights for everybody else. His ultra ego form is an acceleration of his saiyan abilities. Meaning after every fight, his race get stronger the closer they come to death. It's a survival instinct. What ultra ego does is shorten that time needed to get stronger after a fight by speeding up his recovery time after eveytime he takes damage. Ultra ego is closer to, and rather an alternate form of the rage transformation super saiyans undergo but without losing his sense of self like with Broli. So really it's the legendary super saiyan rage form, similar to a completely pissed off Hulk. Since the Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets. It's the same for Broli. But what Vegeta managed to do was to enter that form without losing his sense of self bc his ego is so dominant in the way he fights. So he's able to get stronger each time he takes damage like Broli and the Hulk, but doing it without getting completely consumed by rage
This is probably the first Dragon Ball video I’ve watched that’s left me speechless- I kinda only knew what UE could do, and not really anything else like you’ve explained. Now it makes so much sense
I see it as a parallel to the two sides of The Force. The Light Side being selflessness and becoming one with The Force and the Dark Side being selfishness and beding The Force to your will. Ultra Instinct is giving yourself to The Force in full and letting it guide you in a sort of zen state. Ultra Ego would be the opposite, enslaving breaking the chains that binds you to it and achieving true mastery of yourself.
1:49 you also can't choose to sleep you either fall asleep eventually or aren't asleep currently, sometimes you can try sleeping for over an hour and still not be able to, sometimes you can sleep within minutes or even seconds in extremely rare instances
I wonder if he perfects the form he won't lose his new or old values but find the means to harness his true self as he chooses, rather than being confused by instinct and conscience. Being one or the other when he thinks it's the right thing to do.
Im pretty sure that his final form will be him realizing what his ego actually is, greed. He wants to appreciate his new life while also stay as his old self which is greedy.
Vegeta is a lot like Kratos in the sense they’re both essentially where created as tools for their creators* Both grew up as warriors who where conquering and slaughtering. Both not caring until they both have a turning point where they’re powerless and stricken. Then outcasted and driven mad by the guilt all the slaughtering and inner torment they inflict on themselfs. They both are trying to change and limiting themselfs because they’re subconsciously scared when they let loose that they’ll revert to the *monsters* they once where. Kratos learned to use his unending rage and self hate for the gods and his own nature of being a god to use in bursts. As well as how to calm himself and steel his mind. Vegetas doing the exact same, letting go of the restraints on himself. I don’t see this as “hakai” mode but more so the whole “royal blue form/BlueEvo” evolving itself further. Much like Gohans beast form is essentially gohans potential unleashed form feeding off gohans human brain giving into the primal “reptilian” side of our brains. And for him his “reptilian brain” is that of a saiyans. Ergo humans are already *Animals with a tendency to perform violence in nature and present so* So imagine what a human who’s emotionally way more complex than a saiyan has a emotional breakdown? (Especially knowing emotion is the trigger for saiyan biology to mutate forms) I can see how gohan beast actually makes sense perfectly.
@@arrownoir yeah you have a point, but unlike Kratos He has the power of his wife’s financial status lmao 🤣 (Literally I could not think of a single thing so 🤷 Sucks to be Vegeta aye? ) He does have a hot as hell rich wife though.
Gotta say, I went into this video (first time watching btw) thinking it was gonna be a lot like Geekdom’s. But it might just be better, I loved this. Vegeta has always been my fav anime character. So to see someone else get his character growth was great.
Being told I'm wrong for thinking it sounds goofy is crazy LMAO I get why it has ego in the name I just think "Ultra Ego" (both words together) sound goofy. I like the form!
Just using yours as an example because I dont think a lot of people know of the other definition of "ego". Yours was the one that came to mind bcus your videos are some of the ones I watch most often ♡ No hard feelings & and Im glad you like the form overall!
To be fair while I agree ulta ego sounds silly together even with proper context, this is the man who has a LITERAL BIG BANG ATTACK. So he’s not the most creative with words
From Wikipedia In the ego psychology model of the psyche, the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual desires; the super-ego plays the critical and moralizing role; and the ego is the organized, realistic agent that mediates between the instinctual desires of the id and the critical super-ego; The super ego is critical and moralizing, it represents the ideal self, unhampered by instincts or impulses. The id is those instincts and impulses, it represents the purely chemical driven animal inside every person. The Id doesn't think, it only feels and reacts. Ultra Instinct clearly represents the ID here, not the super ego, nor an aspect of it. It's not "the other side of the same coin" as ultra ego, it is its diametric opposite. UI avoids taking hits, like an animal that doesn't want to get hurt, there is no greater INSTINCT than SELF-PRESERVATION. Ultra ego rejects the IMPULSE to avoid pain in order to fuel the super ego. The ideal warrior doesn't care if he lives or dies, he fights only to win. The Super Ego doesn't care about the body, the ultra ego is fueled by pain because tanking your oppoent's attacks and striking back shows superiority over that opponent, and Vegeta thrives on being better, in fact he's not satisfied unless he is the best. Ultra instinct suits Goku precisely because the Id doesn't think, and Gou has never had a single thought in his entire life. He lets his body do the work for him, it's all impulse, it's all the autonomic nervous system reacting to stimuli. See an attack, avoid it! Avoid pain because the body must be preserved! The animal can only react to stimuli, the mind thinks and CHOOSES. That's why Ultra Ego is so powerful. Ultra Ego represents the principle of Mind Over Body, after all it is your brain that ultimately decides how much power you can exert, so you can simply DECIDE to be stronger. Ultra instinct is the body, the id, the impulse, head empty, no thoughts. Ultra ego is the mind, the super ego, mind over matter, choose to be stronger. Theoretically, the fighter who can master both and switch between at will or meld them together should be capable of besting any opponent they face. Surpass all limits, transcend mind and body, nothing but the Self, the Ego remains. The true final form our protagonists are after is the Ultra Self.
I immediately thought of the Freudian ego when I heard Ultra Ego. But Ultra instinct isn't called Ultra Id. Also when do they get access to the Ultra Superego? I am not necessarily saying this interpretation is wrong, but to gatekeep as if people just aren't smart enough to understand it is a bit presumptuous. I understand it. It is still a bit wonky.
Well freud and lacans interpretations are different. Ultra Ego isnt called Ultra Super Ego and Ultra Instinct is obv cooler and makes more sense than Ultra ID. Given they actually hint and call it "Super Ego" in the arc Im pretty confident in my theory. Im not trying to gatekeep at all, everyone can have their own theories :)
@@PlanetLevelDB Oh sorry, man. I wrote this comment before I watched the video. I think you made some good points and it's a really interesting perspective.
I think vegeta tends to be the character people relate to the most. They see themselves in him. Prideful, blunt, but pulls through and does what they need to when the moment calls, maybe a bit of a soft spot in there somewhere
This new form is certainly interesting for Vegeta and suits him really well in how its awoken but my question is how he's going to push through it and yet keep his development. Its clear he does care now he's starting to like having a family and even allowed himself to fall to push towards victory in the Universal survival tournament. Maybe instead of him abandoning one self for the other hes going to find a way to internally fuse or switch between them? Like "In order to save those i care for i must do all it takes even if that means reducing you to dust." I don't know. We still need to learn a lot more about Ultra Ego. Like what exactly it does because I've heard its just another multiplier, its lile instinct where theres no new boost just a state of mind and even that its a boos based on how intune with it you are and the harder the battle gets the stronger you get. We need a canon breakdown or answer from the creator. I can see peoples worries about Vegeta having to basically cast off his development in order to hone this form but maybe this is just the start of him making a new power his own? Like this for example: He gets what he wanted. Hes beaten Kakarot 1 on 1. He has a form that literally thrives in his old desire to be a ideal pridefull saiyan but he doesn't really feel complete. So he starts a journey to actually find a new him and THAT is what awakens a true power within. Ultra Vegeta as it would be.
We already know he can't cast away his development though? That's literally what Veget said himself when he apologized to Beerus on how crude his UE is and cannot fully commit to casting everything aside except destruction.
next transformation vegeta is gonna get pink hair and it’ll be called the “Super Badman” transformation and people will be making essays on why that was always brilliantly foreshadowed
Dragon Ball fans are so bad at reading that home boy went out an read an entirely different work just to avoid paying attention to this video. I'm honestly impressed!
I do think Bardock's recording will also form part of Vegeta learning to reconcile the seeming contradiction he is battling with as Bardock revealed to Vegeta that Saiyans aren't nearly as cold and uncaring as he initially thought. I think part of Vegeta's inability to let go came from a desire to uphold his "Saiyan heritage" but now that he is equipped with a more nuanced understanding of his people he will be better able to embody his Saiyan nature without feeling as if the person he has become is betraying this nature.
Thank you for the video, I always thought of Ego like this, I get why people are frustrated at his losses, but this is one of the few good things that super does and it gets clowned on for it.
Cool video. It is a little weird how you use the term "super ego" tho. It doesn't mean what you say it means. Maybe "self" would have been closer to this idea of "true identity" since "super ego" specifically makes reference to our sense of morality.
As someone who's into spirituality, meta-phsyical stuff, and the persona/ego/shadow studies and work, i appreciate this video. Also big respect on stating that the ego ain't about being arrogant.
What I have understood is that since destruction requires total void of emotional attachment of an sort to tap into the power of destroyers, ego might be the suitable name for such transformation.
Love the video. I agree with your perspective. I am a student of psychology and a very big vegeta fan, so I have had some of the same points. Again, very well done!
If it were just having an ego, Goku would also be able to access ultra ego. Giving Cell a sensu bean, giving Frieza the option to go train more or recently with Moro (spoilers omitted). Seems like an over inflated sense of self is just saiyan instinct. Goku accessing ultra ego seems a lot more likely than Vegata accessing ultra Instinct.
Definitely easier due to how UE is extremely compatible with Saiyan nature while UI is not. The problem is that Goku needs to have great talent at Ki manipulation to train Hakai Ki, which as we've already seen with him only learning Instant Transmission after training for a year in Yadrat while Vegeta reached true Mastery of the same discipline in less than a year, it shows that Goku is far inferior to Vegeta in terms of talent in Ki manipulation. Goku's Greatest Talent is being a genius in Martial Arts, while Vegeta is a genius in Ki manipulation (he invented tons of Ki techniques by himself while Goku is stuck with Kamehameha, a technique he copied, since forever)
The only thing I don’t understand is why they refuse to give Vegeta a clean, clear cut, winning arc. Let Vegeta evolve and be the big hero #1 for once. With him pulling the full risk of loss.
Because the whole point of vegeta is because he has to try harder the anyone else especially goku thats why hes so in his own ego
Because he’s a side character… that’s something most people seem to forget. Yes he’s on par with the main character in terms of abilities and strength but ultimately, he is not the focus of the show.
@@TheSCPStudio well that's a load of crap. Piccolo got a powerup and won his fight. so i don't think Vegeta being a side character is really the issue
Vegeta got his win. He has a family and friends. He is not a character who excels at being on the back foot, desperate.
Vegeta has to lose, it's the only thing that drives his character lol his story is one of loss and if you don't see that you're lying to yourself if you think Vegeta is your favorite character
One thing I appreciate is that Vegeta in this state isn't a completely old person nor a new person, and this state isn't suddenly a forced brutality that will hurt others inherently. It allows for control and the general nature isn't going to consume Vegeta like when he was way back in early Z. It is just harnessing the power innate within him. Since he doesn't actually destroy the home himself, it's safe to say he doesn't completely lose it. He just gives Goku a hit because he interfered and can take it. Most of the stuff Vegeta does that is aggressive now is out of a new purpose, but he doesn't lose everything that makes himself who he is, just like Goku doesn't become a different person entirely with UI. It all is delving into true nature, and I think Vegeta can actually keep Ego under check without disregarding everything he has experienced if he truly does master it. Like Goku learning true Instinct through his own roots as one with Saiyan Blood as well as a peaceful upbringing. Vegeta having the harsher upbringing does mean he gets more aggressive, but doesn't hamper him. Even Majin Vegeta still loved his family, he didn't end up hitting any of his family or friends in the blast. It may not actually require full detachment. If Goku needs to hear his father to gain new power, I don't see why Vegeta needs to lose his family ties to do the same. They are both inherently different yet linked.
@@robxholicfoxyfan8552 New Vegeta is a weak beta who can’t really protect anyone. His mentality is completely screwed up and he’s gone through serious character regression.
At least when he was pure evil in early Z invading earth, it was the closest he ever got to accomplishing anything.
The second closest he ever got was when he fully embraced himself and his way of life but still had real character development and goes through with his ideals to sacrifice himself and kill Buu.
@@1337wafflezz wow so edgy
@@Vazel You know I’m right.
Toriyama has committed character assassination on Vegeta. Otherwise why does he feel like such a damn joke in the current arc? When he was introduced he was such a threat and a real menace in the narrative? Despite him now being an untold billions of times stronger now than he was back as a “puny” normal Saiyan and Frieza pawn?
@@1337wafflezz bro still going
@@Vazel You’re damn right. GTFO of here with that gay “oh my battle heart rages harder the more you hit me” freaking crap LMFAO
Bro put it together so neat, I actually like Ultra Ego a lot better. The fact that vegeta struggles to master it because he can’t fully become the “callous man” he once was i just love that.
Vegeta beating Goku in base is good enough for me. He’s done that twice, when there aren’t macguffins to help the story progress he’s beaten the strongest/main character of DB. As a Vegeta fan that’s fine for me. He won on earth the first time, and he won in the super hero movie. I cant complain.
Transforms -> gets beat up in order to get stronger -> passes out from being beat up
Unironically fire
I feel like Vegeta's final stage in this line of transformations is going to be a harmony between the best aspects of his Super Ego, and his Ego. A "Perfect" ego so to speak. Both the pride filled, strength obsessed, battle hungry sayian, but also the caring protective father who wants to push everyone one around him to constantly strive to improve and aim to be the best.
I feel like the power up would make sense as the rage boost he got when defending Bulma fits that narrative. His Saiyan rage and pride aligned with the part of him that's caring since it was rage on Bulma's behalf and pride as a protector
Agreed heavily with both of you.
So essentially he becomes Goku 😂
@SonnyCapone not necessarily goku is very aligned with being a warrior and martial artist, and he accepts his saiyan side to boost both in that respect, where as vegetas ego is derived from being a saiyan warrior, a far more callous person who couldn’t care about being a martial artist or having a moral code of battle or war, gokus morals affect his fights outcomes time and time again, not killing opponents cause he is a moral martial artist who wants people to have a chance to grow just like vegeta and piccolo did, but vegeta (in a setting where there is nothing to protect) sees the danger of war and need for conquest/killing of others as his ‘happy place’. His pride as a father and need to protect his wife and love ones is separated from his morals in battle, the only reason he couldn’t master ultra ego is because he simply could not let go of everything (his new life) outside of battle.
I would Like to hear your thoughts.
Yeah the way beerus was talking to him in the granolah arc makes it seem like this is what’s gonna happen. Like he has to get that pride and no regret for destruction back but it’s hard because when he used to do that he was evil. I think he’s going to end up getting it back tho because he’ll realize that before he was doing it for evil but now that he does it for his family, his home, and for honorable reasons, this will make him realize that he doesn’t have to feel any type of shame or regret anymore and he can regain that pride love for destruction that is needed to master UE.
This is well thought, well in-depth video. It goes into how Vegeta was able to achieve the Ultra Ego form while also explaining the name behind it. Great Job.
So in ultra ego, Vegeta is 100% himself, a pure individual, in absolute control, and in godlike levels of focus.
Yep. Based.
Nope. This guy got a lot wrong. It's all you, and you need to integrate it. He needs to brush up on his Jung.
pure badass - tfs
Pretty much
Yeah godlike levels of focus on getting his ass whooped.
What a severely underrated video. I hope this blows up. Never seen anyone talk about the true design behind Ultra Ego like this before. I think we saw the very beginnings of Ultra Ego begin to emerge during the ToP, where Vegeta finally chooses to blaze his own trail, as opposed to constantly following Goku's.
10/10 my man. Keep up the great content.
MassokX the guy who does What if Dragon Ball videos literally talked about this.
@@soundrogue4472hey man the content is a gateway to good thinking. All paths are unknown, better to have found this than to have not. Show love to other fans of the series
@@tyxbreaker are you dense? I'm saying someone already predicted/ called this WAY before this video.
Nothing I said positive nor negative towards this content creator.
@@soundrogue4472 touch some grass. Watch your attitude
@@tyxbreaker 1. My guy; I run 3 miles a day. 2. You were being dense , putting meaning in words where none exist.
Pretty awesome video! I didn't take issue with the name when I first heard it, in fact I thought it sounded perfect, and your video essay all the more proves that. Vegeta is on a path of discovery of self, and understanding his "ego" I think is perfect place for his character development to be in
Another great video as always. I would have never seen all this depth Super has had it not been for this channel.
Honestly I've never had any issues with ultra ego's name, design, or even its powers. It's very clearly still incomplete, just as Goku's UI was incomplete when he first started using it. As Vegeta improves and develops new skills to supplement UE, I think we'll see it really come into its own. Maybe he'll develop a passive regen to help compensate for the damage he takes, or he'll improve the speed of his ability to ramp up in strength. I suspect that he'll stop outright tanking attacks as he gets more experienced and instead start focusing on trading blows, using the damage he takes to grow stronger at the moment of his attacks, then recovering during the lull of combat with passive regen or something
He's not actually gaining strength from the damage he takes. He gets stronger the more he lets his emotions take over. He just used taking damage to speed that process up.
Nah, all Vegeta needs is to gather Super Dragonballs and wish for immortality like Zamasu did, viola! Now he has god level infinite Regen and Stamina to use Ultra Ego and tank with it for unlimited time!
I don’t get the ‘goofy name’ argument. It’s perfectly descriptive of the form’s function, effectively communicates that it’s the antithesis to Ultra Instinct, and if nothing else is no more goofy than Super Saiyan Blue.
I genuinely appreciate making new forms that align with the character’s, well, character, and their personal story and growth.
Super sayan blue isn't goofy, it's pretty accurate
@@elfascisto6549 Being accurate doesn’t make it not goofy. The name being “It’s a super saiyan, but it’s blue” is, and I’m not throwing shade here, pretty goofy.
Just to illustrate my point, what if super saiyan 2 was named “super saiyan with crackly blue electric aura,” or if 3 was “super saiyan with long hair and shaved eyebrows?” Or 4 being “super saiyan monkey?”
@@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1stEven “Super Saiyan” is goofy, it’s literally a Saiyan that is now Super.
@@Sarge327 You’re right, lol. I say this lovingly, I adore this series, but yeah, it’s definitely silly. I think we’ve all embraced that silliness, though.
@@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st Yeah, it’s why I’m so confused at people saying Beast looks “too goofy”. I’m just sitting there like “Yeah, that’s a pretty nice third form Freeza’s got.”
Finally someone gave Ultra Ego some justice. Many people trash on the form for multiple reasons but they rarely try to understand it. It's quite possible the best form for Vegeta, his destructive nature that he was born and raised with. I see him one day mastering Ultra Ego in a way that matters to him specifically. His pride as the prince of saiyans, his pride as a man who protects his family, and his pride for his destructive nature mixed together to make a form that helps him overcome his own hurdles that put him behind Goku
People trash on super for next to no reason. Most of their issues come from Z yet they won’t admit Z has issues.
@@TheTwizted they hold z on a pedestal and basically treat it like it's the only story in Dragon Ball
@@GIRru11 Yup, don’t get me wrong Z is my favorite and def the best series but the same issues super has (outside of there being no real tension since it’s before the end of z) is the same issues Z has they’re just too biased to admit it
Not to repeat myself but MassokX the guy who does What if Dragon Ball videos literally talked about this.
through dialectic reasoning, he’ll probably see the form and its function like a shield to protect the ones he loves. my theory any way.
Ego = Aware
Instinct = Unaware
They're polar opposites
Wrong, both have nuances of awareness, but one applies consciousness actively and the other passively
@@phonesjuda7318 still a shit name
@@phonesjuda7318instinct is literally about being totally and completely unaware of yourself and letting your body fight dumbass. Ego is the opposite
They are both instinct, vegetas is based on his ego, which is destruction
It's funny how you talk about the Ego and Super Ego in the vid. Cause, although it's a bit different with Freud, I feel like Goku's UI can be directed as the Id. The natural, primal self that never thinks higher thoughts than the base of "eat, reproduce, survive"
So Vegeta going in the opposite direction, where the mind is in full control of the body vs the body moving in a primal instinct really hammers a duality thing I've enjoyed with Super so far.
Came here to say this. Good job.
As someone who has never read or watched any Dragonball, yet constantly find myself watching video essays on it, I just want to clarify something. The comparison between the two is more or less the whole "unstoppable force meets immovable object" thing right?
You got it spot on. Ego doesn’t mean “arrogance”. It means the self. Everyone has ego. People saying the name is stupid is actually coming from their own ego. Vegeta is accepting himself which makes him stronger.
Underrated comment💯
Honestly, it is just bad translation. The original is 我儘 which is better translated as self-serving or self-interested. Vegetable is driven by his own interests to bring maximum destruction in this form. Ego is about "self." But Wagamama is thinking "only about self."
Vegeta's "Wagamama" makes a good contrast with Goku's "Migatte." The two words are very similar, but "Migatte" takes an extra step by acting in self-interests even by harming others.
身勝手 is actually a double entendre because it literally means "body moves on its own." I personally would have appreciated "Ultra Impulse" instead of "Ultra instinct."
@@inazuma3gou Bro, we're just lucky it wasn't called Ultra Selfishness.
@@inazuma3goubro here really digging to justify Vegeta being an arrogant asshat.
Like the Id, _Ego,_ and Superego
Beautifully put as usual man 🙏🏾 I love your content, u honestly the only DB TH-camr to convey information in such an eloquent and palatable way
12:29 The contrast of these images is astounding... Perhaps the way to distinguish how these forms are different would be this: Goku's form is like the flow state when you're fully concentrated on a game and the world around you disappears, since fighting is like a fun game to Goku, it's like an experimental sandbox he's messing around with. For Vegeta with the chip on his shoulder of always trying to survive in war, not fights for fun or martial arts sportsmanship but fights to the death, his form is like adrenaline and survival instinct to utterly dominate his opponent without mercy. So more of a bloodlust and frenzy of war like someone who enjoys gunning down everyone in their way and rack up killcount (to feel pride in), while Goku's is classic martial arts discipline and focus (throwing yourself against the insurmountable mountain of Jiren to surpass and better yourself, Goku's eternal goal as a gamer who wants to get gud)
Vegeta is my dad
Vegeta was the equivalent stepdad for me. And Goku was the equivalent of my Biodad. They both brought the best me out of me. Just like Goku and Vegeta.
@@thedevilsleuticenormally id be a hater however that is jus beautiful
All hail princess trunks!
Hmph , nonsense ... if there was any example of such a thing
We must be half bros
Vegeta after watching this video "Daeem didnt know that's how it works. He must be a tuffle to be that advanced"
I was expecting some fan boying about Ultra Ego going into this. Instead i get a thorough psychological analysis of Vegeta instead. Fantastic video :D
I genuinely enjoyed this video. Your college level essay explanation of this 100% brought me to a state of bliss that evolved my love for Dragon Ball. Thank you man.
Vegeta is the real main character , His character development is insane. I just hope he get a win some day
Imagine a non cannon thing were vegeta losses his family becomes the god of destruction and goku becomes his Kai
>bejita weaponizes his jobbing
>still jobs
Poor fajita 😞
Poor Virginia & his spandex
Love coming across channels I’ve never seen that have content I want to watch. Great video man, can’t wait to see you hit 100k
I already understood it. Maybe it's just because of my knowledge of the English language, but I understood the transformations name as soon as I heard it.
Love the video I wanna say since you used the final explosion at least for the English kai dub I love how krillen screams Vegeta coming from the man who had a katana on him in the Saiyan arc
Very late, but I just wanted to say you explain things very well. I love the way you go into detail without it being confusing
I must say.. it's truly amazing to see your improvement in every single video.
Loving this channel. Keep up the amazing work!
people hate on Beast Gohans hair too. When I think its cool and makes the transformation stand out from the rest
the fact ppl thought ego was only given bc his attitude baffles me what happened to education
the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity. I never knew I like this form a lot more now thanks.
"Huh, this is a new feeling.. pride in someone else.
Unfortunately its overshadowed by all this UNYIELDING RAGE" - TFS capturing the battle between Vegetas Ego and Superego
Tbh ur channel is the best in explaining these kinds of things, u really script ur videos so well that I feel like one with the video, this is a masterpiece just as the other videos you've made so far,
Btw I never hated ultra ego's name, it is a dope ass form in my opinion i honestly kinda disliked it the first but it really grew up on me as i started understanding it
This video not only put this form into a whole new perspective for me but honestly it’s growing to be one of my favorite forms due to the philosophy of it
Vegeta is still a trainee in UE/Hakai. He can still be blasted by energy blasts, Top couldn't even be bothered by blasts in his destroyer form until he was very weak an could barely muster a blast. Granted Vegeta had more power and strength overall in the end and was able to overcome Top become Vegeta himself is Hakai sensitive.
Ultra Ego is dope as fuck it literally personifies Vegeta's whole life
Damn, this was a hell of a breakdown. I'm genuinely impressed. Good shit!
Such a great video
I had no idea people didn't like the name. If you know about psychology it makes perfect sense
I do think that this is a good analysis for Vegeta and his ultra ego form.
Nicely done, couldn't have said it better myself.
Great video.
I think this is more of an interim form for vegeta, when he finally squares both halves of his self he’ll have something different and something more fully his own
This is a great video, I feel I'd have to watch it multiple times to grasp it fully but that's just a 'me' thing, thank you! Will definitely share it when the moment arises.
His ultra ego form is an amplification of his saiyan heritage and pride. He's always fought for himself, while Goku fights for everybody else. His ultra ego form is an acceleration of his saiyan abilities. Meaning after every fight, his race get stronger the closer they come to death. It's a survival instinct. What ultra ego does is shorten that time needed to get stronger after a fight by speeding up his recovery time after eveytime he takes damage. Ultra ego is closer to, and rather an alternate form of the rage transformation super saiyans undergo but without losing his sense of self like with Broli. So really it's the legendary super saiyan rage form, similar to a completely pissed off Hulk. Since the Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets. It's the same for Broli. But what Vegeta managed to do was to enter that form without losing his sense of self bc his ego is so dominant in the way he fights. So he's able to get stronger each time he takes damage like Broli and the Hulk, but doing it without getting completely consumed by rage
Clicked for some cool db discussions. Got a dope ass psychology lesson instead. Fuck yeah. Wicked vid dude. You’ve earned my sub today!
Vegeta Got That Dawg In Him.. They Don’t Understand Cuz They Don’t Got That Dawg In Em
This is probably the first Dragon Ball video I’ve watched that’s left me speechless- I kinda only knew what UE could do, and not really anything else like you’ve explained. Now it makes so much sense
So basically god ki version of Majin Vegeta
I didn't know people were hating on it I reckon ultra ego is sick, from the name to the look to the power it gives him
I see it as a parallel to the two sides of The Force. The Light Side being selflessness and becoming one with The Force and the Dark Side being selfishness and beding The Force to your will. Ultra Instinct is giving yourself to The Force in full and letting it guide you in a sort of zen state. Ultra Ego would be the opposite, enslaving breaking the chains that binds you to it and achieving true mastery of yourself.
1:49 you also can't choose to sleep you either fall asleep eventually or aren't asleep currently, sometimes you can try sleeping for over an hour and still not be able to, sometimes you can sleep within minutes or even seconds in extremely rare instances
I wonder if he perfects the form he won't lose his new or old values but find the means to harness his true self as he chooses, rather than being confused by instinct and conscience. Being one or the other when he thinks it's the right thing to do.
Videos like these remind me why I love TH-cam so much, great stuff man!!
Honestly always thought Ultra Ego was always a GREAT name for a Vegeta Form, given his history
Im pretty sure that his final form will be him realizing what his ego actually is, greed. He wants to appreciate his new life while also stay as his old self which is greedy.
Vegeta is a lot like Kratos in the sense they’re both essentially where created as tools for their creators*
Both grew up as warriors who where conquering and slaughtering. Both not caring until they both have a turning point where they’re powerless and stricken.
Then outcasted and driven mad by the guilt all the slaughtering and inner torment they inflict on themselfs.
They both are trying to change and limiting themselfs because they’re subconsciously scared when they let loose that they’ll revert to the *monsters* they once where.
Kratos learned to use his unending rage and self hate for the gods and his own nature of being a god to use in bursts. As well as how to calm himself and steel his mind.
Vegetas doing the exact same, letting go of the restraints on himself.
I don’t see this as “hakai” mode but more so the whole “royal blue form/BlueEvo” evolving itself further.
Much like Gohans beast form is essentially gohans potential unleashed form feeding off gohans human brain giving into the primal “reptilian” side of our brains. And for him his “reptilian brain” is that of a saiyans.
Ergo humans are already *Animals with a tendency to perform violence in nature and present so*
So imagine what a human who’s emotionally way more complex than a saiyan has a emotional breakdown?
(Especially knowing emotion is the trigger for saiyan biology to mutate forms)
I can see how gohan beast actually makes sense perfectly.
Except Kratos isn't an absolute failure and actually gets the job done. What has Vegeta ever accomplished in Dragon Ball?
@@arrownoir yeah you have a point, but unlike Kratos He has the power of his wife’s financial status lmao 🤣
(Literally I could not think of a single thing so 🤷 Sucks to be Vegeta aye? )
He does have a hot as hell rich wife though.
@@arrownoir vegeta may be a glorified punching bag, but he has a canonically hot wife who harnesses eldritch magic in order maintain that status.
This is the second video ive watched over yours and i gotta say i love the quality of them with the music and clips subscribed and liked
Gotta say, I went into this video (first time watching btw) thinking it was gonna be a lot like Geekdom’s. But it might just be better, I loved this. Vegeta has always been my fav anime character. So to see someone else get his character growth was great.
1:25 that edit was clean
Being told I'm wrong for thinking it sounds goofy is crazy LMAO I get why it has ego in the name I just think "Ultra Ego" (both words together) sound goofy. I like the form!
Just using yours as an example because I dont think a lot of people know of the other definition of "ego". Yours was the one that came to mind bcus your videos are some of the ones I watch most often ♡
No hard feelings & and Im glad you like the form overall!
To be fair while I agree ulta ego sounds silly together even with proper context, this is the man who has a LITERAL BIG BANG ATTACK. So he’s not the most creative with words
@@codycodeman8469 final flash sounds cool at least
Bro did you watch the video? That's why your channel is goofy as f*ck.
So you didn't watch the whole video I guess
I think ultra ego will keep evolving in future, he needs mastery over it
From Wikipedia
In the ego psychology model of the psyche, the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual desires; the super-ego plays the critical and moralizing role; and the ego is the organized, realistic agent that mediates between the instinctual desires of the id and the critical super-ego;
The super ego is critical and moralizing, it represents the ideal self, unhampered by instincts or impulses. The id is those instincts and impulses, it represents the purely chemical driven animal inside every person. The Id doesn't think, it only feels and reacts.
Ultra Instinct clearly represents the ID here, not the super ego, nor an aspect of it. It's not "the other side of the same coin" as ultra ego, it is its diametric opposite. UI avoids taking hits, like an animal that doesn't want to get hurt, there is no greater INSTINCT than SELF-PRESERVATION. Ultra ego rejects the IMPULSE to avoid pain in order to fuel the super ego. The ideal warrior doesn't care if he lives or dies, he fights only to win. The Super Ego doesn't care about the body, the ultra ego is fueled by pain because tanking your oppoent's attacks and striking back shows superiority over that opponent, and Vegeta thrives on being better, in fact he's not satisfied unless he is the best.
Ultra instinct suits Goku precisely because the Id doesn't think, and Gou has never had a single thought in his entire life. He lets his body do the work for him, it's all impulse, it's all the autonomic nervous system reacting to stimuli. See an attack, avoid it! Avoid pain because the body must be preserved! The animal can only react to stimuli, the mind thinks and CHOOSES.
That's why Ultra Ego is so powerful. Ultra Ego represents the principle of Mind Over Body, after all it is your brain that ultimately decides how much power you can exert, so you can simply DECIDE to be stronger.
Ultra instinct is the body, the id, the impulse, head empty, no thoughts. Ultra ego is the mind, the super ego, mind over matter, choose to be stronger.
Theoretically, the fighter who can master both and switch between at will or meld them together should be capable of besting any opponent they face. Surpass all limits, transcend mind and body, nothing but the Self, the Ego remains.
The true final form our protagonists are after is the Ultra Self.
This video go deeper than i was expecting. Great job
I immediately thought of the Freudian ego when I heard Ultra Ego. But Ultra instinct isn't called Ultra Id. Also when do they get access to the Ultra Superego? I am not necessarily saying this interpretation is wrong, but to gatekeep as if people just aren't smart enough to understand it is a bit presumptuous. I understand it. It is still a bit wonky.
Well freud and lacans interpretations are different. Ultra Ego isnt called Ultra Super Ego and Ultra Instinct is obv cooler and makes more sense than Ultra ID. Given they actually hint and call it "Super Ego" in the arc Im pretty confident in my theory. Im not trying to gatekeep at all, everyone can have their own theories :)
@@PlanetLevelDB Oh sorry, man. I wrote this comment before I watched the video. I think you made some good points and it's a really interesting perspective.
No worries, thanks for the update and thanks for watching :)
I think vegeta tends to be the character people relate to the most. They see themselves in him. Prideful, blunt, but pulls through and does what they need to when the moment calls, maybe a bit of a soft spot in there somewhere
This new form is certainly interesting for Vegeta and suits him really well in how its awoken but my question is how he's going to push through it and yet keep his development.
Its clear he does care now he's starting to like having a family and even allowed himself to fall to push towards victory in the Universal survival tournament.
Maybe instead of him abandoning one self for the other hes going to find a way to internally fuse or switch between them?
Like "In order to save those i care for i must do all it takes even if that means reducing you to dust." I don't know.
We still need to learn a lot more about Ultra Ego. Like what exactly it does because I've heard its just another multiplier, its lile instinct where theres no new boost just a state of mind and even that its a boos based on how intune with it you are and the harder the battle gets the stronger you get. We need a canon breakdown or answer from the creator.
I can see peoples worries about Vegeta having to basically cast off his development in order to hone this form but maybe this is just the start of him making a new power his own?
Like this for example:
He gets what he wanted. Hes beaten Kakarot 1 on 1. He has a form that literally thrives in his old desire to be a ideal pridefull saiyan but he doesn't really feel complete. So he starts a journey to actually find a new him and THAT is what awakens a true power within. Ultra Vegeta as it would be.
one word: Meditation. Meditation will help him keep a good balance between rationality and irrationality.
We already know he can't cast away his development though? That's literally what Veget said himself when he apologized to Beerus on how crude his UE is and cannot fully commit to casting everything aside except destruction.
Ego in Latin is just "I" or "I'm", basically ultra ego is his ultimate self. Kinda poetic
I don't like Ultra Ego because since it has been revealed, it has taken 3 straight losses....
God this channel is so underrated, very thankful i came across it
next transformation vegeta is gonna get pink hair and it’ll be called the “Super Badman” transformation and people will be making essays on why that was always brilliantly foreshadowed
Thank You.
Woah
This isn't an argument
Superbadman sounds like the perfect form to train Bulla and Pan honestly
@@ssgoko88 thank you proving my point
Amazing video keep up the good work
Y'all think Dragonball is way deeper than it actuall is.
oh...see, you call it "Ultra Ego" if it's what I thought we saw in the tournament of power arc, then I called it "Super Saiyan Royal Blue"
Oof. Super Ego is not "your true self". Not even close. I've read Freud. This is just misinformation. Do your homework better next time. Peace.
This isnt about Freuds work lol
bro said "do your homework" just to not watch the video lmao
Dragon Ball fans are so bad at reading that home boy went out an read an entirely different work just to avoid paying attention to this video. I'm honestly impressed!
Great video. Great voice. Hope to see more from you, my dude. Subscribed.
Vegeta is the most complex and interesting character in Dragon Ball. But I liked him better before he became Bulma’s b*tch.
This was actually brilliant and very well explained. Awesome video!
Just found you. Bro you're channel is fire. Thank you.
amazing video, hope it blows up
I do think Bardock's recording will also form part of Vegeta learning to reconcile the seeming contradiction he is battling with as Bardock revealed to Vegeta that Saiyans aren't nearly as cold and uncaring as he initially thought. I think part of Vegeta's inability to let go came from a desire to uphold his "Saiyan heritage" but now that he is equipped with a more nuanced understanding of his people he will be better able to embody his Saiyan nature without feeling as if the person he has become is betraying this nature.
HOllup HOllup HOllup.. Bardock Made A Wish That His “SONS” Would Be Thriving.. Where Tf Is Raditz
Thank you for the video, I always thought of Ego like this, I get why people are frustrated at his losses, but this is one of the few good things that super does and it gets clowned on for it.
Cool video. It is a little weird how you use the term "super ego" tho. It doesn't mean what you say it means. Maybe "self" would have been closer to this idea of "true identity" since "super ego" specifically makes reference to our sense of morality.
Genuinely great video! Very great analysis of Vegeta. Keep up the great work man 👍🏽
As someone who's into spirituality, meta-phsyical stuff, and the persona/ego/shadow studies and work, i appreciate this video.
Also big respect on stating that the ego ain't about being arrogant.
This is incredible… subscribed!
Wow I'm glad I found this channel amazing content! Love all thy dragon ball universe content
Great analysis. He’s the most complex character in the series and you really highlighted that.
You just earned a new subscriber 👍
Very good explanation my man @PlanetLevelDB 👍
I really love this video. The way you broke it down was incredible my friend. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
What I have understood is that since destruction requires total void of emotional attachment of an sort to tap into the power of destroyers, ego might be the suitable name for such transformation.
Good Sir, this was an amazing piece of work. Cuddos to you 🍻
Love the video. I agree with your perspective. I am a student of psychology and a very big vegeta fan, so I have had some of the same points. Again, very well done!
If it were just having an ego, Goku would also be able to access ultra ego. Giving Cell a sensu bean, giving Frieza the option to go train more or recently with Moro (spoilers omitted). Seems like an over inflated sense of self is just saiyan instinct. Goku accessing ultra ego seems a lot more likely than Vegata accessing ultra Instinct.
Definitely easier due to how UE is extremely compatible with Saiyan nature while UI is not. The problem is that Goku needs to have great talent at Ki manipulation to train Hakai Ki, which as we've already seen with him only learning Instant Transmission after training for a year in Yadrat while Vegeta reached true Mastery of the same discipline in less than a year, it shows that Goku is far inferior to Vegeta in terms of talent in Ki manipulation.
Goku's Greatest Talent is being a genius in Martial Arts, while Vegeta is a genius in Ki manipulation (he invented tons of Ki techniques by himself while Goku is stuck with Kamehameha, a technique he copied, since forever)