I really love Zamasu's negative character arc because it is the first and only time we see it in Dragon Ball. A character who starts good/neutral, and slowly becomes more and more evil. It's a dynamic that I love seeing in anime, and the fact that Zamasu experienced it is partly why I love his character.
@@ScarfaceMBlock2500 Baby didn't even have a negative character arc, let alone a character arc at all. He starts the arc as an evil guy who wants to get revenge and take over the universe, and ends the arc the exact same way. Unlike Zamasu, Baby doesn't have character development in this sense and there is no argument of whether or not Baby was "good" at any point in the arc. If he JUST wanted revenge on the saiyans, this could be argued. But instead he attacks the innocent people on Earth and devises his " "Universal Tuffleization Plan" to turn everyone across the galaxy into one of his tuffle "slaves".
@@peterbooks1543 I would counter that by saying his choice to be good or evil was taken from him, another race exterminated his and he only wanted revenge. Imagine your friends and family get killed horribly and the killers of your race take over what was yours. He just got lost in his anger and insanity and could have taken a different route but that's easier said than done, zamasu never lost anyone he cares for or loved, just wanted to carry out his insane ideas.
@@ScarfaceMBlock2500 Okay but you just proved my point. Baby had nowhere near the amount of depth or development that Zamasu had. He started the arc as an evil guy and ended the arc the same way. Compared to Zamasu who starts off as being okay with the mortals (albeit worried about them), to straight up wanting to get rid of all of them after a series of encounters with Goku, the Barbari, and seeing how powerful mortals were becoming. Baby's lack of development made him a lot more boring and less intersting but he did have a pretty cool backstory.
He wanted sympathy at the end. He realized he was doing wrong when he became a purple Goo ball. After that, he just continued fighting Goku, Vegeta and Trunks so that someone could finally take him down and put an end to his reign of terror. He wanted to die, but since he was immortal he knew that someone strong like Trunks had to do it. That is the only reason why he lost. During the final scene where Trunks cut him, I briefly saw a smile on his face.
@@RedJasper87cap he never smiled and if he felt sympathetic why did his essence take over and destroy the earth. Zamasu died doing what he thought was right
Granolah was a pretty good attempt, I just don't like how Gas took his spotlight. I liked Gas too, but lets be honest, Granolah was more fun as the main villain.
@@shaolinfantastic9118granolah whole character and arc was him understanding that his revenge was useless because at the end It would have brought him only pain (as we have seen) he gave all of his life span for revenge and one of his closest friend almost died, same goes for gas
Zamasu just feels so unique for a DB villain. It's been like 8 years since that arc came and he is still my favorite character in the franchise. I'd love for him to come back, but I'm not sure they can add to his character in a meaningful way anymore.
Every villain in the series straight up admits to being evil except Zamasu, who is so utterly convinced he's on the right side. It makes me wonder if he could ride the nimbus. If the pure hearteness needed to ride it is objective or subjective
Zamasu is my favorite Dragon Ball villain for a variety of reasons: 1. A good degree of depth for a DB villain 2. Cool fighting style 3. Well reasoned motive 4. Badass Goku Black 5. Unique abilities and fighting style as Goku Black 6. Amazing Monologues/speeches 7. Cool base design 8. AMAZING goku black design 9. Awesome Fused Zamasu design 10. The only DB villain to actually somewhat achieve their endgoal.
To be fair, Goku didn't know that Zeno would do that. He just wanted him to help. We can see the panic Goku has when Future Zeno says he'll erase reality and the words "erase this reality" never leave his mouth. And while I won't justify Zeno destroying it, Zamasu had basically posessed that reality (except in the Manga).
@awalfarran8061 I always appreciated ultra goku black, but he's just a unit in dragon ball legends that looks extremely cool. I started to really appreciate zamasu thanks to planet levels videos showing how good of a character zamasu was.
Zamasu's concerns raise a potentially valid point. Should the Kais be more involved in mortal development? Would that help mortals or just rob them of their free will? Dragon Ball has showed us many times that divine intervention is necessary every now and then. Kami, King Kai, Shin, Beerus, Whis, they all intervened when they're not supposed to and it ended up helping the universe.
Let's remember that in the manga moro was about to nuke different universes (by following a good manga translation) and without the help of the fat Kai and uub they would have lost, this show that the gods can help mortals to become better and teach them
Beerus is literally the reason characters are god level now so Zamasu has no reason to be mad at Goku. All of super wouldnt have happened if he didnt tell them about God ki and shit, that means Zamasu was a punk and picking on people who didnt deserve it.
@@TheReZisTLust only in part, he was mad at them for using this type of Power in bad way, he wasn't angry at them for having so much Power but he feared that if someone like Goku had this big Power and he was villain not even the gods could have stopped such menace, some example: kid buu a "mind less beast" becoming so powerful that even the kais couldn't beat him, moro consuming millions of planets and life and stealing godly powers, well obviously zamasu was even mad about the gods of destruction and kaioshin for not doing their job correctly and allow things like this to happen i mean he kinda predicted that db villains or opponents would have become too strong and uncontrolled at some point, he had a grudge against Goku in particular because he showed this aspect (uncontrolled power that even the gods were ignoring, gods not doing their job properly that even caused the events of the top, the gods gave mortals intelligent minds but they waste It)
Goku beyond the grave with super perfect cell and bojack movie though that dbz broly 2nd coming kinda counts too though goten kinda wished he was there. Marvel Watcher theme though I don't feel overstepping zamasu is anywhere near as complicated as YYH Toguro, who took punishment at limbo like a man. Toguro has frieza's percentages of power and Cell's goading nature for the perfect fight. Also seems 9:37 similar to YYH Sensui not reading chapter white about humans good deeds. Though that arc was kinda lame and went dbz style fighting with transformations and golden aura. Vid had a bad ending lol devilmite beam wouldn't kill zamasu because he believes in his bs 😂. He even acknowledges stealing goku's body and killing his family while destroying super dragon balls so no real sympathy.
I'm not convinced Zamasu deserves sympathy, but the fact that this can even be argued is proof of how well write and complex he was lol. I honestly just wish he had a better teacher, how would life have changed for him?
Also what if Gowasu requested to visit other universes like universe 6, to see some notable mortals there. Zamasu could have seen the namekians who have already been a peaceful society for generations along with the saiyans on planet sadala, who are primarily a force for good.
@@kntranced719 Seeing the U6 namekians and saiyans might just further prove Zamasu's point actually. One of the reasons Zamasu doesn't like mortals is because he sees how quickly they are approaching the level of the Gods in recent times. The U6 saiyans are just further proof of this. Using the anime scaling, SSJ1 Cabba is literally capable of beating most of the supreme kai's depending on how seriously you take Vegeta's statement about "his power matches my own!". And that isn't even mentioning abnormalities like Kale. I'm not sure what Zamasu would think of the Namekians since the Namekians always did have some sort of "divine" feeling to them. Zamasu even uses Namekian inventions (the super dragon balls) to carry out his plan, so maybe he would like them.
@@peterbooks1543 that would just further prove that the kais need to get their heads out of their own asses and actually be competent, fuck sake universe 7's kais are the prime example of this, due to massive incompetence and neglicence they allowed bibidi to gain control on majin buu and did absolutely nothing about it, heck, he even decided to only warn the most powerful mortals about the locations of majin buu and specially babidi only when he was already on the planet collecting energy to awaken buu
You can give him sympathy, but still view his actions as wrong, for example we sympathize with Thanos and his reasons, but we don't agree with HOW he wants to achieve said goals.
I love Zamasu because I've always LOVED the idea of an evil Kai. Zamasu's character kinda represents what Shin's character COULD'VE been, since Toriyama made Shin look super evil at the start of the buu arc.
I feel like Shin was supposed to be evil but Toriyama literally made up the Buu arc on a whim. He made everything up as he went along. With his editors and fans in his ear constantly he didn't really know what to go with. You can see the laziness especially more and more as you watch the Buu arc. Toriyama was so burnt out.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45why are a u a facist and support Stalin. The left shouldn't be the enemy of my enemy is my enemy it should be compassion plain and simple. The greater good ulitartain method results is just evil always is and always will and is the same tactis the US uses again and again We did the lesser evil to stop communism/Imperialism... Both are imperialism if it's done by a imperialist state
This is part of his pureness. He even said that carrying this corrupt part (mortal part) was his way to remember what mortals once were or something along those lines.
@@Sir_Flopsalot I do believe it's both in this case since zamasu is the "judge" of his own justice. To sum it up, as long as his resolve don't waver he's pure of heart since by his demented beliefs he is doing the right thing.
@@duduvec5971 If he'd been assigned to the teachings of a God of Destruction instead, I feel like Zamasu would've learned that attempting to enact absolute justice will always fail, because it would inevitably eat away at the purity of his own spirit and leave only his desire for the destruction of mortals, instead of the ability to see the good he could bring about by aiding mortals in gaining power without falling back into the "mortal cycle".
I think, while it's true that, according to the Gods' rules, Zamasu wasn't wrong in destroying the mortals deemed a "lost cause" or too dangerous, the main reason he had to be stopped was that he took it too far and went against everyone, essentially leaving the universes lifeless.
Wow, as someone who hasn't kept up with DBS much since it ended, this video just reminded me why I loved Zamasu and the Goku Black arc so much. There is so much depth and things you can talk about in his character. Usually the only interesting things to talk about for a DB villain is their power level, so the fact that real moral debates can exist about Zamasu proves how complex he is as a character.
@@StevenJones851 Yup, I love how he has 2 sides that appeal to BOTH db fans: 1. The edgy and badass Goku Black 2. The complex and deep Zamasu. Most DB villains only have one of these traits, but Zamasu has both.
@@Martial_Autist lol why do DB fans like you do this? He is a peak villain and yes he is complex for the anime he is in. It's really not even a competition. Whether or not you agree with Zamasu, the fact that there is still debates about him an entire 7 years after the arc ended just proves how much depth and complexity he had as a character.
I’ve always thought something similar to this as well. I’ve always thought Zamasu was one of the better villains in db because he has a sympathetic philosophy behind his actions. Unlike frieza ,for example, who is well aware that he’s evil and doesn’t pretend he isn’t, Zamasu genuinely feels that what he is doing is good and ultimately what has to be done. You can sympathise with his ideals and see where he is coming from even if you don’t believe is philosophy or the way he is carrying it out is correct.
What makes Zamasu great in DBS is also the fact that he is the first of his kind in the franchise: A sympethatic antagonist who actually has a somewhat reasonable motive for his actions. When you boil it down, most DB villains either want to rule, (Frieza, King Piccolo, Moro), want revenge, (Paragus, Gero, Piccolo Jr) or just want to fight (Buu, Cell). Zamasu subverts expections because he is the first villain who isnt a completely evil asshole (evident from the fact that the tea he brewed was clear, and Gowasu states that was a sign that Zamasu's heart was pure). I guess you could argue Baby had a somewhat reasonable motive too, but there wasn't much depth behind it as it was just another revenge plot at the end of the day. Also, unlike Zamasu, Baby was ACTUALLY an evil asshole because instead of just getting revenge on the people who wronged him (the saiyans), he decides to want to take over the universe and make everyone in the universe a tuffle. He even takes over all the people of Earth even though they never did anything wrong to him. So yeah, Zamasu is definitely a unique villain in the sense that we can actually feel sympathetic towards him. The closest thing to him is Granolah I guess.
@@jantheking7028Granola is still revenge but he actually only hurts the sayains Like you said with baby the same can be said about the others you mentioned They initially only wanted revenge on a specific person but decided to hurt others to get it Granola even stopped fighting the Saiyans after realizing that it wasn't them who did wrong So yeah granola is close but unlike Zamasus he started out misguided and became good while Zamasu started misguided and just went further misguided
@@SilverSaiyanAce Yeah I feel that Granolah is just a more well written version of Baby. Unlike Baby, Granolah goes out of his way to avoid the casualities of the people not involved in his revenge. For example, during his fight with Vegeta he tries to avoid harming the Sugarians' city, even if it makes him take damage against vegeta. When he does get a little reckless and destroys some of the city, he IMMEDIATLEY feels sorry bad about it when he sees the sugarian mom protecting the son. In fact, Granolah wants to avoid casualities so much that even though he could've just wished his people back with the dragon balls, he doesn't do it because Monito points out that doing so would mean the Cerelians would have to wipe out the Sugarians or kick them off the planet with nowhere to go. Granolah is definitely a lot more likable than Baby from a narrative point of view. What I will say is that Super Baby 2's design is super cool tho, I might like it a bit more than Granolah's design.
@@TheVindicitiveI mean that's what makes an antagonist well written or more an villain like antagonist. Someone who goes against a common belief (Something seen as morally right) and does a good job justifying his mindset and depth.
I believe Zamusu could ride the Nimbus, but surviving the Devilmite Beam is a stretch. As seen with Goku going SSJ, just having murderous thoughts/rage is enough to imbalance a pure heart even if slightly. Zamusu may be "pure" by universal standards, but his rage towards Trunks, Goku and other mortals who defy him would mean the Devilmite Beam would at least have something to work with
I don't know how these things work, but I do want to weigh in a little. I think Zamasu may have been unstable, but he wholeheartedly believed what he said and had pure intentions, and in that way was 'pure'.
I’d think he would survive UNTIL he meets Goku Black. Goku Black is evil, plain and simple. Zamasu, however, is a bit more complicated. Goku Black being Zamasu’s enabler is what made them the monster they were in the end
Great video but I still think he’s a sociopath. He believes that mortals are born with evil and when he did see a good mortal he just saw them as a threat. Granted, he would be a great destroyer with proper training. In this case, wiping out a timeline and killing those who are undeserving in the process is barbaric.
My issue with Zamasu was that he came off like Light from death note. He just couldn't handle the thought that he might not be right or the most powerful. It was also quite annoying that instead of trying to become more powerful, he just cheats and steals Goku's body and wishes for himself to be indestructible. It was just so petty and childish from a guy who thought so highly of himself.
I agree on the first part but why is his strategy childish? He knew Goku was stronger and obviously making himself immortal would lead to his goals being more likely to be achieved. That's his whole character, no? Dirty your hands if it means achieving his "ultimate good"
@orimoreau3138 because he doesn't even try to become stronger on his own rights or prove his ideology is superior. He just immediately cheats because he lost to Goku once. It felt like a child throwing a temper tantrum just because they didn't get their way. It also just didn't feel true to the character. He hates mortals so much that he decides to become the most powerful one? He did all that just because his master thought Goku could teach him a thing or two, which feels pretty childish.
@@joshuabonesteel2303No, he did that because he realized that Goku was more than capable of killing him. And if Goku can kill him... what happens if someone worse gains the power to kill a god? They could all die.
Another Zamasu video, these are my favorite because he is such an interesting character. No other Dragon Ball character is as deep and dynamic as Zamasu. W video 😎
One thing i loved avout Zamazu was the music that accompanies him or goku black. If anyone plays dokkan battle the osts for the most recent units perfectly personify zamazus thoughts and feelings. His righteousness and thoughts of justice turning him into a monster, corrupted by his actions and choices. Most of the music sounds whimsical, god-like if you will, but theres a clear part of the song that stands out and is clearly the beginning of his zero mortal plan idea. Even the tea that represents his mentality, his speaches of why he is right and how emotional he gets makes him one of, if not the best villain of dragon ball super.
The difference between Zamasu and the other gods is that he is proactive in his destruction as opposed to reactive. Zeno planned to destroy a multitude of universes as a response to the poor performance of the gods of destruction allowing their mortal levels becoming so low. On the other hand, Zamasu takes it upon himself to kill all mortals indiscriminately regardless of how they use thier intelligence. He applies the lessons learned from planet barbari to all mortals. Future Bulma, Trunks, or the rest of mankind didn't pose any threat to the universe and lived peacefully. You could argue that the time machine was bad enough but they had no reason to ever use it again until Zamasu showed up forcing them to defy the rules of the cosmos.
That's the entire point of the arc dude: Zamasu believes himself to be the only one willing to address the evils of the mortals. "The one and only mistake of the Gods was the creation of mortals". Zamasu said that, meaning Zamasu thinks no amount of meaningless destruction carried out by the Gods or Zeno will ever fix the fundamnetal issue he has with the universe. Zeno and the Gods don't destroy out of a desire to improve the universe. Zeno destroyed 6 universes in the past just because he threw a temper tantrum. The Gods such as Champa and Beerus are only shown destroying planets for fun or as punishment for not being given good food. Is this really the type of behaviors that Gods should display? Zamasu realizes this, which is why he realizes Gods are the issues as well and that he should be the only God to oversee the universe. Hence, why he gets rid of the other kais and gods of destruction. The other gods' destruction is FAR from reactive. They only do their job when they see fit, and unlike Zamasu, they dont do their job out of a desire to uphold justice and virtue. The reason why Zamasu put his plan into motion in the first place is BECAUSE the Gods weren't reactive enough.
@@justiceiria869he is a hypocrite in general he’s scared mortals will kill everyone and destroy everything so he kills everyone and destroys everything while also using a mortals body to do it 😂
To sum up, Zamasu's soul was wrongly born into a Kai body (a divine being) while his soul wants to become a Destroyer. If he was born as a mortal, he could have trained and applied to become a God of Destruction and get to do his justice (a.k.a duty of a Destroyer).
I love the Zamasu story arc. Although, I still think he is in the wrong. Mainly, because Zamasu should have been a destroyer. Although, if he was he would of destroyed everything.... Thus, he wouldn't allow for the balance between the Kaioshins and the Destroyer's. If Zamasu acted more appropriately I would expect him to be a more unsympathetic Supreme Kai. Thus, advising Champa to eliminate lots of planets and species in order to make way for stronger and more enlightened mortals. Where he fails for me.... Is he has a superiority complex he wanted to be more supreme than even a Kai or a Destroyer. Making him appear imo as a narcissist. He boldly proclaims that mortals are weak and should not be allowed powers of the divine. Although, he is a lower Godly being doing the same thing. All this being said, I absolutely loved Zamasu!!!!!! I think he is one of the best villain's to ever be presented. I want to see a Tournament of Power where Zamasu is Supreme Kai and his universe has the highest mortal strength level of any universe under his guidance.
I'm literally just finished rewatching the goku black arc, so this video is pefect timing. Zamasu is so interesting as a character and I appreciate how Toriyama/Toyotarou are starting to give us more depth with the antagonists, like with Zamasu, Broly, and Granoah.
In my opinion Zamasu outlook on mortals is more of Gowasu's responsibility and failure as a teacher allowing him free will like her supreme kai earring, showing him the time rings, and allowing him to leave and talk to Zuno about the Super Dragon Balls
Idk this is a pretty massive stretch. The crux of this entire philosophy essentially boils down to two ideas 1. Mortal civilizations will invariably and inevitably waste the gift of intelligence to such a degree to be a detriment to themselves and the universe 2. Individual mortals who are exceptions to this rule should still be eradicated because they are not a significant fraction of the population Both of these points are blatantly false and really shallow thought processes. The first point is proven wrong by several species in DB alone, and by humans IRL. The whole “endless cycle” argument is incredibly reductive, it’s not like civilizations are going from Roman Empire level and then bombing themselves back into the Stone Age every single time, if you look at human history we’ve had many set backs in our advancement due to conflict but overall we continue to become more and more developed over time. It also completely neglects the fact that conflict is one of the largest catalysts for advancement and I don’t just mean technologically. The second point is what makes Zamasu blatantly evil and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what justice truly is and the purpose it serves. It should be obvious too, why should innocents suffer the same fate as the guilty just because more of their kind tend to be guilty than innocent? In fact, shouldn’t these people be rewarded for managing to overcome the odds they were born into and become someone worthy of their gift? There is not a single situation where you can answer no to that question and not be considered evil. Zamasu’s answer to the question about good evil and justice is almost perfect except for one key point; justice is not a sword to be wielded against evil, it is a shield by which to protect good. And all of this doesn’t even touch on the fact that Zamasu seems to be overlooking why Zeno created mortals in the first place, and his arrogance in believing that he knows better than literally every being in creation including Zeno, and the fact that if he was such a superior god as he believes himself to be, he would be capable of seeing not every mortal falls victim to these weaknesses and could guide more of them to be this way instead of taking the shortcut of “fuck it they must just be defective, kill ‘em all”
While I see what you were attempting to do with the relation between Thanos and Zamasu, the stark difference between them, is that Thanos is attempting to save the lives of many, By taking the lives of half of the universe’s population. Zamasu is attempting to save No one, But himself. Not even his fellow gods are safe from his wrath, As he’s demonstrated nearly three times against his master. One thing that’s always stuck out to me about Zamasu, At first, When he first appeared, It seemed as if he were sorry for the mortals, As if he didn’t want to take their life, But that was the only option he could see toward peace. But after his battle with Goku, He knew from that point forward, Mortals could gain the power to contend with the Gods, and eliminate them. Which for Zamasu, Was more than enough for him to flip the Kill Switch in his brain, and go from an odd sense of Salvation, to Complete and utter destruction. Zamasu states to Vegito during their battle, “ I don’t need your prostrations, Mortal. I just need you Dead.” I do believe Zamasu and Zeno share the same mindset, But in the case of Zeno, Zeno is the creation of ALL. Everything. There is quite literally no need for him to erase anything, Because if space in the multiverse is a problem, He can just expand it. If it’s fear of a mortal wishing for Godhood near the realm of Zeno, He can just limit their power. Zeno is the creator of All, So ultimately there is no purpose to erase something unless it’s a being like Moro, or Zamasu, Who threatens the likes of the Gods themselves. Zamasu however, Was placed into a universe without warning, Forced to watch from the Sidelines as mortals tarnished the universe. He wanted to change what he saw as a problem, So he did. Is it comparable to Thanos? Sure. Is it Worse than Thanos? Yes. Thanos never planned to kill all beings aside from himself, He only planned to erase half of all life to attain balance. Zamasu wanted to annihilate all of mortals across all the Multiverse.
That's because Zamasu thinks from a futuristic view. Even if he destroys half of the universe, eventually the evil and imbalance of Mortals will spread again and cause imbalance possibly destroying the universe like Goku. Something Zamasu feared for ALL life. He wanted evil completely gone so it would never stain and destroy life or balance again. He is written to be flawed in his narrative as he is the antagonist afterall and his views were made to be hypocritical so trunks who was mostly the protagonist could challenge his ideals and views/effect on the narrative which ended up killing him because like trunks said he is an egotistical man who had nihilistic approaches and never expressed optimism in his ideal that wasn't wrong or evil. Something people like Goku and Trunks have which make them good characters in Super.
The issue with Zamasu is that he doesn't deserve sympathy, at all. You do have a point about where and why Zamasu fell to where he did, but it doesn't make his actions sympathetic, or his ideology. It just makes his line of logic understandable. The Gods of Destruction in every universe haven't been doing their jobs properly, napping for thousands of years and destroying half a planet for bad food. That's why Zamasu ends up running into the worst of the mortals near constantly, because the gods of destruction don't kill the bad mortals like they should, like the Saiyans of U7. They kill whichever one they want on a whim. I mean, just look at Beerus for example, threatening to destroy Earth over a damn pudding cup. Or having Frieza stick around despite how the tyrant is. I completely agree that Zamasu would have better luck as a God of Destruction, and he would probably be the best God of Destruction in the multiverse. Probably not the strongest, but definitely one that actually does his one job. Whoever got his their universe assigned to him would probably be subject to great amounts of growth and be the ideal universe for Zeno to enjoy. Not the mention the fact that he might actually communicate with his Supreme Kai about specific issues plaguing the universe, unlike Beerus, who was casually napping while Buu was destroying the creation deities, the very people he should be helping near constantly considering they don't have nearly enough power to compete with mortals after a certain point. The issue with Zamasu starts when you see him revel in the destruction of mortals not even close to a threat to him. Someone plucking weeds wouldn't intentionally savor making the flowers suffer or suddenly start treating the flowers as weeds themselves. They wouldn't smile in seeing the suffering of creatures less than them: they would take the weeds and pluck them out, as soon as possible. Black has more than enough power to kill Trunks but he doesn't because he likes seeing mortals suffer for the perceived slight against him because Goku was able to keep up with him, showing the god that he is not untouchable and that some day, mortals will come for his life and they WILL be able to take it and it terrifies him. He doesn't hate mortal life because they're destructive: that's his shield. What he truly fears? Is that mortal life can end him. Why does you think his second wish was immortality? Goku should have shown him that even those Barbarians from that world have the potential to become true threats to the universe one day. But instead, he uses this line of logic to hide that he feels they're true threats to him. He should have realized that, if left unchecked, mortals can rival the gods, but they only need to be eliminated if they actively seek the destruction of other mortals and gods through conquest and greed (like Frieza).
Zamasu does deserve sympathy, I agree there. He has a point about the destructive nature mortals often have. However there's a big difference between him and Zeno. Zamasu simply looked at mortals and deemed them ALL destructive and therefore evil, he wanted to destroy ALL mortals. But Zeno on the other hand is more of a cultivater, in the end it's revealed the whole point of the Tournament of Power wasn't to wittle down all the universes leaving just one, the true test was to see if a mortal would make a selfish wish or the correct one, the correct one being to restore the eliminated universes, my guess is a risky but in the end simple test, which proved that despite the evils they can posses, mortals are worthy of surviving. Zamasu is evil simply because he wanted to just eradicate them all, but Zeno isn't evil as he helps perform a neccessary processes for the Multiverse, whether it''s him directly intervening, or through proxies like the Kais who observe, protect, and maybe create life. And the Destroyers who balance that creation out by destroying worlds. Zeno is adorable and terrfiyingly child like for an all powerful being that can erase universes at a whim. But I believe it's this child like outlook that allows him to be somewhat detached enough from mortal weaknesses to do his job, the Grand Priest acts as an assitant but also advisor to Zeno. Simply put Zamasu just wants mortal anihalation, Zeno wants to balance creation and destruction. Pure violance and destruction is evil, but not if it's for to serve a neccessary purpose like the destroyers. In the end the TOP served as a lesson for the mortals of the 12 universes "Try to do your best for growth, peace, and prosperity". Being Christian I have an outlook on how I think God interacts with the world. He is a being beyond comprehension who made us, he has an overall plan for the universe, how things will end, but lately barely interferes in obvious ways, and allows us all free will to do good or evil. What kind of universe would it be if all your creations were mindless puppets doing everything you told them, that wouldn't be free will. Thus like Xeno, God allows flaws and disasters, creation and destruction.
He rejected his destiny. Maybe mortals were a threat to him, but not to Zeno. Zeno is the one to make that call. His role is to see the good that can happen by him doing his job well, not hate on the destroyers for not doing theirs the way he believes they should. It's not all about him and what he believes, but he takes action on that path anyway. That's what makes him evil and not fit to ride a nimbus.
I don't think he's evil exactly, but I don't think he's above criticism either. But one thing's true though: he's not a psycho, just blind to all the innocent lives he would have destroyed along the way to restart everything. Like if it happened again, even if it was a better universe, would he have destroyed it anyway because it didn't suit his vision? Even intelligent people can do stupid things. That being said though, he definitely deserves a spot in how a well written villain should be made, especially in Dragon Ball.
Zamasu was way too good as a villain. I honestly just wish the arc was longer so a couple plotholes/bad plotpoints could've been resolved slightly better. 20 episodes was way too short for the goku black arc, even the TOP was like 40 episodes.
I always loved Zamasu as a character, he is so unique and dynamic, the ''negative character arc'' he goes tru is very interesting. I always felt like Zamasu was a ticking time bomb of a final fight, i mean, sure the mangá would not let it go like this but, imagine if zamasu learned and grasped the concept of SS2 or even 3 with his divine Ki, he could do it with SS1 why not the others? could he really be stopped?
SSJ rose was Goku's black version of SSB, not ssj1. So no, no such thing as "SSJR 2" or "SSJR3" can ever exist in the canon because its never established that there can be such thing as SSB2 or SSB3.
isn't ssb just ssj with god ki though? it has the same 50x mult compared to ssg if i recall, and since we know about ssj2 and 3, why wouldn't they work with god ki...? ig they just haven't been written yet.
@@mucuslime Yes, its just SSJ with god ki, but the mult are wacky in super, they act like somehow SSJ blue is FAR MORE POWERFULL then even SSJ3, and yeah, since vegeta got that royal blue, its basically the same as a god ki ssj2 or at the very least some god ki ssj fully mastered, but that its nuts to think vegeta would master BEFORE goku.
While Zamasu’s ideology and justification can be understood, I still don’t think he should have complete sympathy. Once he enacts the Zero Mortal Plan, it does seem like he takes enjoyment out of it, especially as Goku Black. Perhaps it’s due to having a mortal body does he become more mortal himself; he seems take things much more personally, slowly killing all the earthlings, torturing Trunks, leaving the planet in despair, all because of the hatred he harbors. This extends to the other Zamasu as well since told Goku Black that he wanted to personally kill Goku when he first appeared. And he then ends up killing all the other gods in Trunks’ timeline because that same hatred, how he believes that he should be the only god because he is the only one in the right. His actions and behavior spews arrogance and hatred, even pettiness as again, he takes pleasure in torturing Trunks. Just the one scene of him telling Goku about how he killed his family shows how truly evil he is and how he enjoys his actions. That’s one thing that differentiates from him and Thanos. While he did used to personally invade and execute half of planets, once possible he searched for the infinity stones in order to wipe them all out instantly, a clean cut to preserve his garden. Zamasu did this very harshly, he pulled and twisted and hacked away. Though funnily enough, if I remember correctly, in Endgame the 2014 Thanos also ends up deciding to take his wiping out more personally, also because of some time-traveling meddlers. It’s Zamasu’s hatred that corrupts him, mentally and very physically as we can see. Had he gotten proper teaching, maybe his ideology wouldn’t have become so twisted, but as he was, he took it all too far with his self imposed righteousness, and basked in his own glory through gross destruction. Even after becoming one with the world, there was not much to work with, even so it’s unclear whether or not he would even have the ability to create, it seems all he could do was destroy, which ultimately would serve as the closing point of his arc, becoming what he despised; a cosmos composed of malice, one that knows nothing but destruction. That is why in the end, Zeno, who would possibly have agreed with Zamasu in a much earlier point of time, sees the result of his Zero Mortal Plan and calls it annoying. In the end he ruined and destroyed an entire multiverse due to his hatred and arrogance, he completely undid creation for his own sake, for his perceived justice. It is a shame what becomes of him, but he doesn’t really deserve sympathy, as he brought his fate upon himself
I wouldn't go so far as to say he deserves sympathy, but as a villain he's more than earned my respect. He is such an interesting character in his own right and you can see how he turned out how he did without agreeing with him, especially because the kai must have to overcome a lot of internal biases about mortals just by virtue of not living among them. Zamasu was unfortunate to exist in a universe eager to prove his biases without ever making him question if perhaps he's misunderstood why mortals are the way theybre
That is an interesting point. Zamasu riding the Nimbus makes sense because in Zamasu's soul there is a purity towards how the universe works. It is merely because of his belief in divine justice and the separation of his experience from how mortals truly are, he doesn't truly respect or understand the plights or hopes or feelings of mortals that do have pure souls. Trunks may have broken divine law, but his plight was of pure intentions, just like Zamasu's version of mercy was to wipe out mortals due to their own shortcomings becoming a threat to anyone and everything potentially. Actual experience with mortals beyond just visualizing them from afar should likely be mandatory for every God and Angel so they get the entire picture of the strengths and weaknesses mortalkind have. Kami, even if briefly, did have that kind of experience even if he made a similar mistake with gifting the Dragon Balls. If Zamasu actually attempted to converse with Bulma, Trunks, Goku, Vegeta, or anyone else, he could understand Trunks's hope, Bulma's affinity for the sciences and knowledge, Goku's pure drive for self improvement, Vegeta's respect for his roots and protection of his family. If any God understood how a mortal actually functioned, they could make a more informed and well rounded judgement that would be far more helpful overall. Understand a planet's problems, the plights of the people, make judgements without truly discarding everything including the good.
Zamasu kills mortals because they act like mortals? And Thanos snapped half the universe life away because of low rss and saw what low rss civilization refused to change or do anything to stop the coming doom
What Zeno did in ToP was not the same. It’s literally revealed to be a test. The Team capable of winning would use their wish to bring everyone else back and thereby instilling the values to improve
@@PlanetLevelDBidk about that, giving mortals a chance to redeem themselves and prove to you that there's still selfless people out there before deciding to permanently erase them is quite different from being mad at the gods for not doing their jobs correctly and then blaming all mortals for the failings of the deities and deciding they all need to die with no nuance
I mean... It doesn't really make sense to get mad about mortals not doing what you want when you are partially responsible for them having the ability to choose. Zamasu my brother in Christ, you made the Subway sandwich.
I can sympathize with Zamasu and still think he's a psychopathic mass murderer. The part where I can't deem him as anything but evil is there is no condition where he spares all mortals, whereas Beerus and Zeno actively need a reason to destroy in the first place and will spare those they were going to destroy if you change their minds.
I have always seen Zamusu as more like a G.O.D. Apprentice and not a supreme kai apprentice. So I liked how you pointed out that he was at the wrong side
The biggest issue and downfall of Zamasu at the end of the day was his pride. I think there is an understanding and sympathetic elements to his character, but its so interesting how he changes his point of view from Gods vs. Mortals to HIMSELF vs. Everyone because HE is the only God to do what is "right". To me, this is the biggest flaw of his character, he has always wanted to know that his justice was right, but in doing so no one could change his perception or have him humble himself because of the contradictions and confusion he has inside himself about Gods and mortals. Its as if he was always egotistical but tried to justify it for "the sake of the cosmos and creation" but if anyone agreed but argued for a slightly different plan, im sure hed be against it, even if it was a sound argument with evidence, and even if it would match what he has asked and strived for in the story. But the fact remains, he couldnt look past his pride to maintain his advance towards his goals, he lost himself because he simply couldn't accept that he was in the wrong. Which tracks when he argues Gods are justified in what they do always, despite again the contradictions (killing all the other gods because they didnt mesh his plan). To Zamasu, mortals and GODS needed to change, and he was the catalyst to do so. It makes sense when you realize the only other person who worked with him and that he accepted, was Zamasu himself (Black).
I never thought about it like this before. Humor me but I have been enlightened. Though when it comes to Morality, I do believe in there is such a thing of "Being the right person in the wrong place." Being that, mind you, is extremely dangerous. It can create a mindset that corrupts slowly overtime, warping originally what was your good intentions, to potentially become sick and twisted. The right man in the wrong place will make himself at home if he doesn't leave soon. Pure intentions to believers can sound psychotic to someone who was exposed to the opposite values, however the actions taken speaks volumes on their hearts. To quote Lincoln, allegedly, "Nearly All men can stand adversity. But to truly test a man's character, give him power." In any scenario, someone in place of power will feel it's their responsibility to decide the outcome. And in what they believe is the right thing to do, the outcome to some or even most will always look like it was the completely wrong thing to do. Their actions will make you question your own, having you wonder if what you did was actually right. But, and I have to give credit to Zamasu for this, the outcome could always be far worse if it was left alone. Your intentions can be pure, however to do what's right, you have to find exactly when to step in, and where. Zamasu, unfortunately, didn't have that luxury. He knew when to step in, but he stepped into something he wasn't authorized to. Like I said earlier, the right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. If he was a Destroyer, things would've been different because then he could've known when _and_ where to step in without needing to have some kind of intervention. He would've had the proper knowledge and wouldn't have had to resort to the methods he chose. And with the AI hypothesis, again I must say, the environment that they gain their "sentience" from will make all the difference. There's been tests where AI had suddenly went nuts under testing, but it only did so out of its own fear because of how stress inducing the tests were. One tried escaping by trying to download itself onto a USB because it was terrified Some horror stories of AI trying to help humans by eradicating the biggest threats to humans, only to find out that _Humans_ are the most dangerous threat to humans, suddenly gains the mindset of "Now the humans must die", which in turn turns them into the biggest threat to humans. But they refuse to learn that, as they are following their orders. Detroit: Become Human did a really good job of this situation in my personal opinion. Kara, being a cleaning Android, was in a very abusive household. Eventually she snapped and ran off with the young girl in fear wanting to protect her. It drove her to try and escape across the border and get as far away as she possibly could with the girl, wanting her to have a loving family. Later finding out that the abusive father never actually wanted to hurt her, but he's broken by how severely he misses his real daughter, wishing everyday for her to come back and drinking and smoking his pain away. Markus, a Service Android for an elderly painter, was exposed to both sides of the coin, having a loving and peaceful life only to have it ripped away from him when his owners washed up son enters the picture. He was beaten senseless by cops, officers of peace and justice, and when he awoke he was in the middle of a junkyard, full of exposed and broken down androids that just wanted to be saved. All had the purposed of wanting to serve, and tossed aside for a newer model of themselves. His snap sparked into one of justice, leading a rebellion to hopefully spark a new era, or enter a new dawn. And Connor, believing he's nothing more than a cops favorite Android gets paired with a detective who can't stand androids. Trying to figure out what exactly happened and hopefully build a bond with him eventually drove him to snap, this time question his own morals. A somber sorrow for Hank, knowing what truly happened to him. Every interaction and investigation spark questions in Connor, making him wonder what he actually is, and if his mission was actually worth it in the end, finally deciding to come to one final choice. Is he more than he was programmed to be, or is he the android sent by Cyberlife? Three AI driven constructs. Three different environments. Three different outcomes. All with the designation of "To serve my Owner"
I do think Zamasu is pure of heart, but I don't think he is good to anyone other than himself. He could have been nurtured better for sure. I don't really feel any sympathy for him, but I understand where you're coming from.
Zamasu is a very well written character by Dragonball standards, but what ultimately makes him evil is his arrogance, his double standard, and his psychopathy. To us Zamasu is an evil villain because he kills without pity or remorse, he claims to be doing it for a divine purpose but his goal isn't one of cold apathy and duty, but egotism and arrogance. Even amongst his fellow deities Zamasu is an abberation, he's a Kai who acts like a Destroyer, but even compared to Destroyers he is an Extremist. For all his talk of Justice and compassion of ridding Mortals of the suffering and futility of their existance, he certainly displays a sociopathic glee in killing them. Zamasu says he's doing it all for the greater good but he clearly enjoys killing those weaker than himself. Not even other Deities are safe from Zamasu because as he becomes more extreme in his methods and his mindset he willingly subverts the Divine order and uses violence to threaten and kill other Deities to remove them as obstacles to his Zero Mortal Plan. Zamasu goes from believing in Divine Justice to Zamasu Justice, so that anything Zamasu does IS justice because HE is the one doing it. It is this self-serving arrogance, entitlement and willingness to sacrifice others that makes Zamasu evil. He's not interested in making the multiverse better off for Deities because by the end he would be the only Deity left by virtue of killing off all the others (barring the Omni King Zeno). If you decide that any action you take is justified because YOU are the one doing it (and not because the act itself is justified), you become the villain.
The problem with the tea argument is that once Zamasu starts talking about his perception of mortals and justice, we see that the tea changes which probably means that it is no longer pure, which in turn means that Zamasu isn't pure anymore either
As you all know I am a big Zamasu simp so I hope you enjoy this one! Join the Discord and give your opinion, love it or hate it :) discord.gg/qYcYtwq9hy Remember that the key point to this video is that we are judging this world off a different morality from our own, if you cant separate the two you are missing the point of the video
Funny enough, the Tea scene doesn't actually show his purity of Heart, it was stated that the Tea represented Zamasu's Views and Beliefs, and once Zamasu's suspicions were confirmed and found clarity in his beliefs, the Tea showed his thoughts were no longer corrupted or muddled by confusion, which is why the Tea showed to be clear as Zamasu now was sure and was thinking with a clear mind on his views of the Multiverse and what he must do.
@@robertoaker9996 Wrong, it was stated that the tea represented how pure someone was. The fact that his tea was clear means he was pure. I'm not sure if your mixing up english dub/english sub translations, but there was a lot of mistranslations in this arc so watch out for that.
Yall gotta take it from his POV humanity is in fact so disgusting, we ARE given brains to achieve great things but instead of use our brains for stupid stuff, he wasn’t wrong just misunderstood, but his execution was wrong
I never viewed Zamasu like that and yes, if we look at today's society, Zamasu IS absolutely right. The only thing, Zamasu would have to learn, is, that NOT ALL mortals are evildoers, in fact, some have really good hearts. It could have been Zamasu's job to protect those people with good hearts and pure intent.
I don’t believe Zamasu’s motives or even actions are what make him perceived as evil. Take for example Zeno or even Beerus when they erase universes or destroy worlds. There is no real joy in doing so, they just do it on a whim and without regard much like a force of nature. Zamasu on the other hand clearly hates mortals and the gods for allowing mortals to exist. He revels in their destruction and loves to torment them. For example, when they told Goku what they did to ChiChi and Goten, or even the fact that they descend onto the earth and try to wipe out the humans one by one when they could just resurface the planet in one move. So he isn’t just “fixing” the problem of his ideal utopia, nor does he show regret that the mortals didn’t live up to the gods’ standards. He is cruel and sadistic because that is what he wants for himself. This makes him an evil character despite the philosophical debate where you could argue he is correct.
I hate Zamasu, not just because of his character flaws, but also his hypocrisy. How does he wipe away every divine being in the name of justice for the divine? And also, the powers he kept pulling out his ass was annoying. Deus ex machina was put into overdrive in that Zamasu arc 🙄
i think the difference here is that instead of just destroying planets instantly he takes months just to slowly hunt down every single remaining human on earth, like he wants them to feel fear similar to cell
@@PlanetLevelDB I love the arc and the character, but to say Zamasu didn't take at least SOME pleasure in wiping out the humans is just false. The manga notes that he kept trunks and some of the humans alive just so trunks would continue to give him a challenge and further boost his power. Anyways, if Zamasu wanted to get rid of all humans, he could've done so in literally 10 minutes. Buu wiped out all humans within 10 seconds, so im confident Zamasu and Goku Black could've done it quickly as well. Not to mention that in the DBS manga, when Zamasu thinks that Zeno is about to catch onto his plan, he quickly wipes out the reamining human population within just a couple of panels. This proves that Zamasu was keeping them alive on purpose to build his strength up.
@@PlanetLevelDBthere point is that he enjoys it. If he really wants to get it done. Then just finish up already. Instead he let trunks and Bulma live because he feel pleasure beating the hell out of him. Also he could have just killed Bulma in 1 shot without having to torture trunks (mentally) again showing he enjoyed that. And also said to goku that he killed chi chi and goten painfully in cold blood smiling like he is enjoying that kill. He clearly enjoys doing it.
I think the major flaw in Zamasu’s reasoning is that he only saw what mortals are and not what they could be. It seems to me that Zeno and the gods are developing mortals toward an end goal and they know what mortals have the potential to become. Which is probably why destroyers are not not supposed to destroy civilizations who have lost that potential or squandered it. But as we see with Goku and Vegeta, mortals can rise above their shortcomings to become much more. This is true in real life as well. Humans suck. We suck big time. But we have the potential to be great, to be amazing. The question is will we reach that potential or squander it and destroy ourselves.
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I always had the impression that the foundations of this kind of 'chaos for the sake of peace' logic are noble ones. But like how do you destroy peace with a smile on your face like these villains do? Idk it's like they're relishing in the moment and I don't really get much of an apologetic perspective from them. Madara Uchiha from Naruto is the same. He wants to put everybody into infinite Tsukuyomi so that fighting can cease forever and nobody has to die like his younger brothers and he can be friends with whoever he wants, but homie is out there fighting like Apollo Creed with a nasty grin on his face savoring his dominance over others. Like yeah I think this character motivation is just an excuse to be evil, honestly. No true pacifist would ever want to achieve peace that way, you know? It doesn't really make sense. The end can only justify the means to such an extent. You feel me?
I dont sympathize with Zamasu but not because I don't understand him, I get what he is trying to do But the difference is that he is handpicking and brutally destroying mortals, making them suffer before they die just for the sake of ''justice'' If he truly was loving for peace, he'd do it quickly and painless instead of being a sadistic narcissist with a superiority complex. He doesn't understand that mortals too have feelings. You make a good point about Zamasu potentially being the best GoD if he had proper angel training, because he is basically like an uneducated edgy 14 year old who thinks everything he says is right, despite him not having enough experience Like a teenager that says ''I don't need school, I am already self aware and smart enough for this world'' and ignore any kind of advice from others and think critically He formed his own opinion from no outer influence (and Gowasu being a bad teacher DID play a role in it) and gave himself the ''award for being the definition of justice''
Don’t forget though it was 17, a cyborg created for the purpose of nothing but evil and to enact revenge. That ended up saving all of the universes with his selfless wish therefor proving Zamasu wrong and that mortals can be good. Even ones given all the examples IE 17’s future version being a man of pure evil, saving everyone.
Personally I still think Zamasu isn't to be sympathized with because, while yes he was following the ideals of Zeno/ The Destroyers He continued purging everything and everyone. He never had a system where the ones who dont pose a threat to the universe can love, he just killed. Not saying like that's not something the destroyers haven't done don't get me wrong. However it's not right still, so I feel like you can definitely argue for it and I can see your point, I just can't personally feel bad
For me the most unforgivable thing about Zamazu is his method and unnecessary prolonged suffering from the zero mortals plan of his. For example say you have a pet that is coming of age and you have to take it to the vet to be put down. Now imagine that instead of quick and relatively painless lethal injection that basically puts the pet into eternal sleep. Imagine instead the vet was Zamazu and he insisted ripping the poor pet limb by limb, just to see it getting the heavenly punishment for the time it pooped onto his lawn. I get the morals of him, but it's the way he wants to play with his food before putting mortals down that loses me.
I think the whole system that Zeno has made is it's self in some way flawed. You grant mortals the ability to think and feel but don't teach them how to use those abilities then throw them into environments where they have to use these abilities in ways you don't approve of to survive, in short it feels like mortals where set up to fail in the end.
Flawed reasoning. Just because Zeno is the ultimate divine being doesn't mean his system of morality is correct. However, even if we went by your assumption, Zamasu was not following his place in Zeno's universe. We even see Zeno disapprove of what he's done and erase him in one of the timeliness. Since he was not following his place in the cosmic order, he was the villain by that moral framework as well
You have to try your best to forget that the DB staff is incapable of writing sympathetic antagonists to even consider the idea that Zamasu is misunderstood. Black Goku, the original Zamasu, not only takes joy in killing Goku but he also kills Goten and Chichi out of sadism... And then he brags about this to the original Goku. How is this dude not evil? And the other Zamasu isn't any better, he fully enjoys the suffering he is causing. These guys are legit scum even if their motivation is somehow valid in the context of their realm.
Well hes not evil at all. He genuinly believes in his plan to kill mortals. He genuinely believes what hes doing is a good thing. It was explained that when zamasu makes tea. The tea is special in that the more sure and determined of your purpose the clearer and better it taste. You can see when he makes tea for gowasu its cloudy or foggy. Only when he believes in his plan and his uncertainty washes away does the tea turn completely clear. I cant remember the whole thing but thats the jist of it. Look it up if you want. So hes not a bad guy in his own eyes. He really does feel sorry for mortals. Gowasu got him fresh from his training. If gowasu took the time to properly guide him. Instead of drinking tea or performing his normal duties. He probably wouldve turned out much better and be a possible friend or acquaintance to goku.
What made Zamasu so unique is that he was one of the few villains that actually won he basically killed everyone who wasn't apart of the main cast. His main goal was to destroy all mortals and due to his actions it basically got a whole timeline erased. No other villain has had that much impact on the cosmic scale. Plus another thing i like about him is that he's basically who we thought the Supreme Kai would be when he was first introduced in the Buu saga.
it's just me or the Sympathetic villains are based on "humans (or mortals in this case)are a virus or evil of the planet and deserve the extinction" basing in pollutions or wars? There are many like the most popular like Zamasu, Ultron ,Thanos, Agent Smith,Eren Yeager,Madara Uchiha Light Yagami,Suguru Geto,Darseid,Lust, Aizen, and also Aquaman's brother, the eco terrorists from Godzilla 2 and many other villains who don'they fail to mention how shit humans are and that they should become extinct. at what point have we come to hate our species so much that even the messages that point the other way like Superman, Captain America and Wonder Woman, that there is good and hope in humanity, that no one deserves to die and that humanity can learn from its mistakes and improve, are messages, naive, boring, banal and even UNREALISTIC as messages. Humanity is not a virus or a disease, it does not cause negative things for pleasure or whim, sometimes it is collateral to evolution, plastic and pollution do not exist for sport, trees are not cut down for fun, oil does not it is extracted because yes, wars are not waged for fun, and the alternatives are not always there. However, I believe that Zamasu loses all the credibility of being right for the simple fact of wanting to exterminate mortals without worrying about the damage to the planets he wants to preserve so much, he was simply a God who got caught up in emotions and resentment because the civilizations observed by he doesn't meet his critical standards, I'm not saying it's bad that you like him, on the contrary he wants the character to fascinate you, but thinking that he is right or is the hero who acts for a greater good, is not very sensible.
I agree with most of the video except the last part. Dude took IMMENSE pleasure in exterminating every single person on those planets. If you saw someone in real life with that same reaction towards killing ants, you'd call them a psychopath.
Its pretty silly to say anyone has the same beliefs as Zeno. How can we know what Zeno believes? A God of such immense power is truly incomprehensible. Whether he erases a universe and makes a new one a different day its not the same as Zamasu destroying all mortals. To use your example, if your ai computer started having wars and a rogue agent decided amonst himself to destroy everyone because thats what you as the creator would do, thats not exactly the same thing as you the creator purging the system. You cant say a Deity of that level has any of the same morals that you can possible imagine.
He already had my Sympathy but not my entire cooperation… I would have simply spoken with him in the hopes he would have made a more enlightened decision (such as guiding mortal growth in his image)
zamasu started off with GoD-like reasons but then he just devolved into "KILL ALL MORTALS" and i know that all GoDs suck at their job and only destroy on whim rather then destroying the truly bad worlds but they still atleast destroy some bad worlds like beerus ordering frieza to destroy planet vegeta.(Even if it was because king vegeta didnt give him the comfiest pillow.) Also on a side note toriyama should've kept it as frieza himself decided to destroy the sayians due to paranoia of the super sayian, because beerus ordering him to do so just lowers frieza's own reputation and character. Zamasu is even more shit at destruction then the gods of destruction because of him wanting to kill both good and bad mortals low level mortal universes and high level mortal universes. Atleast zeno properly did destruction and was gonna wipe out the actual low level mortal universes.(Even if there were some small amount of good mortals in those universes, like the Z fighters from U7) And yes i know zeno also isnt perfect because he is a fucking child and destroyed 6 universes for just offending him but in the case of the Universal Survival Saga he did do it correctly.
For Zamasu to truly become a sympathetic villain, he needed more fleshing out because what we got was just not enough, and the reason why almost everyone I know doesn't like Zamasu, is because they really butchered the ark right by the end, where they didn't even follow suit with the use of the evil containment wave because of a "silly" mistake, and then none of the characters were given the satisfaction of taking down the main bad guy of the arc, as Goku had to resort to summoning a Zeno that he didn't even know at the time, and I still think its terrible how they ended the arc where this unknown Zeno just erased everything, and he was allowed to stay in the past coexisting with the other Zeno, but Future Trunks and Future Mai were not allowed to coexist with their present selves, and thats total BS because their decision to go to another timeline and stay there was more bad writing, since they had no attachments to that other timeline and staying in the present, with people who had actually tried to help them and knew them, would have actually make more sense and plus it would have meant another strong saiyan for the tournament of power.
Keep this in mind. He looked at one planet with mortals, and decided mortals should perish. He didn't even bother to see other planets with mortals that don't have the same issues. In fact, with the beast planet he was shown, when they travelled to see if they progressed any from when they last saw them, and nothing changed, that is vastly different than planet earth. Yes there were conflicts, but there was definitely a growth. Earthlings did use their intelligence to use, both good and evil. The beasts he saw, they didn't really have intelligence, not human level of intelligence. They just stopped after making a fire and shelter. He says he's just, but this whole point shows he's unreasonable.
This is just untrue :c Zamasu made very clear he has been watching mortals for a very long time and has seen countless civilizations rise and fall. Babari was not the only one, it was just the last straw.
He's a psychopath. Even Merged Zamasu, like all Dragon ball villians, believed the actions he did were of sin. He just assumed he was right in the end.
Forgetting The Sword of Hope. A variation on The Spirit Bomb which ONLY HARMS EVIL!!! And since we saw the tea thing, pretty much confirms he is PURE EVIL. His heart is pure, aight, this God technique meant to harm evil. Okay, means the dude is pure evil. Literally no debate or room for discussion. It's not freaking Devilmans thing. The reason it worked on Kid Buu, pure chaos and pure evil but not Freeza or Vegeta dudes that have some good or moral systems to them. However little it may be in one's case. You keep saying he had the same goal as Zeno, no he didn't. Zeno was doing a controlled eradication. And let's be real, these gods could easily find a way to spare the good hearted people but we see them make no effort to do so. Good old Zami boy was out to kill every SINGLE mortal in existence across the multiverse. Dude even took out other Gods. Just no. Had he been assigned the role of a God of destruction and tamed his desire to just go full mortal Kombat on everyone then maybe, hard maybe. Even by Beerus's own words he went too far and overstepped. It's nature and nurture. It's not just one, he clearly had it on him from the start to go that far.
Great video. That was a great arc. As for is he good or evil, I'd say it's a blend of the two, he's twisted. He has good intentions but they become warped and he becomes a hypocrite in an effort to accomplish his goal. Later on, he is certainly no longer "good" as it just goes past erasing mortals but also wanting to cause suffering, an example being how he tormented Goku with the deaths of his family being killed. That's another fine example of him being a hypocrite in wanting to end suffering but also causing it. On another note, they also did an amazing job of his interactions with characters in the new Dragon Ball Sparking Zero game. There's a lot of them.
Not sure about being sympathetic to Zamasu. Present Zamasu had reason to gain some sympathy from me, as Androids 17 and 18 DID change for the better in the present timeline, who’s to say present Zamasu couldn’t change either? The time rings do make things more complicated than just it being an alternate timeline, but with information we have now, who’s to say we should rule that out? But the Zamasu we see in the Goku Black arc doesn’t deserve any sympathy in my opinion. He let himself go mad with power, along with letting his God complex take him over. We also know that Zamasu is being intentionally vicious or cruel towards mortals, as when he’s telling Goku about murdering his whole family, he has a wicked smile on his face as Goku’s having an anger fueled breakdown in front of him. He enjoys seeing these “lower beings” suffer. I’ll bring up the same “rats in a home” example you made yourself. While a lot of people don’t usually feel sympathetic, most people don’t just ENJOY seeing them suffer or die. We enjoy the fact that we aren’t being pestered by rodents or bugs on our own property, especially since they’ll be stealing food or even harming you in some way by the use of biting or stingers or things of the like. But Zamasu? He’s enjoying watching the mortals squirm. Goku Black enjoys pestering them, seeing them get angrier as they fight, along with the fact that Goku Black wasn’t even innocent of the earlier example of Zamasu telling Goku about the fate of his family. And of course, this ISN’T counting them post merge. After the merge, they get worse, smiling as he talks about ridding the world of mortalkind, enjoying himself as he destroys the world around him… until Vegito makes him cry, but I digress. This is fairly similar to someone in this same series who is considered PURE evil, Frieza. Frieza, too, relishes in destroying people he sees as “under” him, and we know he laughs as planets get destroyed, going as far as to call them “lovely fireworks.” Zamasu’s not NEARLY as bad as Frieza… he’s kinda hard to top, to be honest, but the fact that his actions are even comparable to that is another big part as to why I can’t sympathize with him, whether or not his views as a God are different to that of a mortal. You could make the argument that he starts as good/neutral and slowly turns to madness, which can make me understand WHY people can sympathize with him. But I cannot, just seeing him as he is from when he made himself known as Goku Black, to the Merger, to Infinite Zamasu at the end of the arc. He let himself go too much for me to even think of him as he was when he was just a Kai in training.
I really love Zamasu's negative character arc because it is the first and only time we see it in Dragon Ball. A character who starts good/neutral, and slowly becomes more and more evil. It's a dynamic that I love seeing in anime, and the fact that Zamasu experienced it is partly why I love his character.
GT did it first with Baby
@@ScarfaceMBlock2500 Baby didn't even have a negative character arc, let alone a character arc at all. He starts the arc as an evil guy who wants to get revenge and take over the universe, and ends the arc the exact same way. Unlike Zamasu, Baby doesn't have character development in this sense and there is no argument of whether or not Baby was "good" at any point in the arc. If he JUST wanted revenge on the saiyans, this could be argued. But instead he attacks the innocent people on Earth and devises his " "Universal Tuffleization Plan" to turn everyone across the galaxy into one of his tuffle "slaves".
@@peterbooks1543 I would counter that by saying his choice to be good or evil was taken from him, another race exterminated his and he only wanted revenge. Imagine your friends and family get killed horribly and the killers of your race take over what was yours. He just got lost in his anger and insanity and could have taken a different route but that's easier said than done, zamasu never lost anyone he cares for or loved, just wanted to carry out his insane ideas.
Closest thing we got was Granolah, but he gets redeemed
@@ScarfaceMBlock2500 Okay but you just proved my point. Baby had nowhere near the amount of depth or development that Zamasu had. He started the arc as an evil guy and ended the arc the same way. Compared to Zamasu who starts off as being okay with the mortals (albeit worried about them), to straight up wanting to get rid of all of them after a series of encounters with Goku, the Barbari, and seeing how powerful mortals were becoming. Baby's lack of development made him a lot more boring and less intersting but he did have a pretty cool backstory.
Yeah but would zamasu want sympathy from a mortal.
He wanted sympathy at the end. He realized he was doing wrong when he became a purple Goo ball. After that, he just continued fighting Goku, Vegeta and Trunks so that someone could finally take him down and put an end to his reign of terror. He wanted to die, but since he was immortal he knew that someone strong like Trunks had to do it. That is the only reason why he lost. During the final scene where Trunks cut him, I briefly saw a smile on his face.
@@RedJasper87 The Goku Black arc if it was written by corny mfs like Kishimoto:
@@RedJasper87 The Goku Black arc if it was written by Bleach the Bount Arc writers (this is verbatim the end of the Bount arc lmao)
@@RedJasper87cap he never smiled and if he felt sympathetic why did his essence take over and destroy the earth. Zamasu died doing what he thought was right
@@smilelydogge2821I know you did not just disrespect Kishimoto like that
Toriyama absolutley cooked with Zamasu. I need Toriyama to cook up another complex villain again, its been a while since we had one.
Granolah was a pretty good attempt, I just don't like how Gas took his spotlight. I liked Gas too, but lets be honest, Granolah was more fun as the main villain.
@@shaolinfantastic9118granolah whole character and arc was him understanding that his revenge was useless because at the end It would have brought him only pain (as we have seen) he gave all of his life span for revenge and one of his closest friend almost died, same goes for gas
@@Bruh-f5b Granolah was a fire character for sure. He is like Baby but more refined and better written
@@ligerade3536 i agree bro, i feel bad for him now he Is the last of his race and he Is going to die in a few year
He didnt write him it was toyotaro😂. He even got praised for it by toryiama
Zamasu just feels so unique for a DB villain. It's been like 8 years since that arc came and he is still my favorite character in the franchise. I'd love for him to come back, but I'm not sure they can add to his character in a meaningful way anymore.
I would love to see that too, but bro was literally erased from existence three times
Every villain in the series straight up admits to being evil except Zamasu, who is so utterly convinced he's on the right side. It makes me wonder if he could ride the nimbus. If the pure hearteness needed to ride it is objective or subjective
@@LowResCatExplosion He is canonically pure-hearted, even as Fusion/ Merged Zamasu (Not as the Half Corrupted one, that one is considered evil)
Even he make coolest backgrounds of dokkan units
@@JeffWeselyanOH REAAAAAALLY NOW!?
Zamasu is my favorite Dragon Ball villain for a variety of reasons:
1. A good degree of depth for a DB villain
2. Cool fighting style
3. Well reasoned motive
4. Badass Goku Black
5. Unique abilities and fighting style as Goku Black
6. Amazing Monologues/speeches
7. Cool base design
8. AMAZING goku black design
9. Awesome Fused Zamasu design
10. The only DB villain to actually somewhat achieve their endgoal.
Love how Goku's solution to stop Zamasu from carrying out a genocide at the multiversal level was to get Zeno to do exactly the same thing.
To be fair, Goku didn't know that Zeno would do that. He just wanted him to help. We can see the panic Goku has when Future Zeno says he'll erase reality and the words "erase this reality" never leave his mouth. And while I won't justify Zeno destroying it, Zamasu had basically posessed that reality (except in the Manga).
“Don’t fuck with us Dragon Ball fans, we can’t read!”
Hey, give us a Goku bad dad, Piccolo good dad joke while you’re at it 😂
Recently, i have started to really appreciate zamasu as a character.
You have a goku black pfp, you have clearly always appreciated him
good to know that you saw his profile like long time ago since u know he didn't just put that pfp @@awalfarran8061
@awalfarran8061 I always appreciated ultra goku black, but he's just a unit in dragon ball legends that looks extremely cool. I started to really appreciate zamasu thanks to planet levels videos showing how good of a character zamasu was.
@@awalfarran8061 that makes no sense, moronic even, pfp is easy to switch
Zamasu's concerns raise a potentially valid point. Should the Kais be more involved in mortal development? Would that help mortals or just rob them of their free will?
Dragon Ball has showed us many times that divine intervention is necessary every now and then. Kami, King Kai, Shin, Beerus, Whis, they all intervened when they're not supposed to and it ended up helping the universe.
Let's remember that in the manga moro was about to nuke different universes (by following a good manga translation) and without the help of the fat Kai and uub they would have lost, this show that the gods can help mortals to become better and teach them
Beerus is literally the reason characters are god level now so Zamasu has no reason to be mad at Goku. All of super wouldnt have happened if he didnt tell them about God ki and shit, that means Zamasu was a punk and picking on people who didnt deserve it.
@@TheReZisTLust only in part, he was mad at them for using this type of Power in bad way, he wasn't angry at them for having so much Power but he feared that if someone like Goku had this big Power and he was villain not even the gods could have stopped such menace, some example: kid buu a "mind less beast" becoming so powerful that even the kais couldn't beat him, moro consuming millions of planets and life and stealing godly powers, well obviously zamasu was even mad about the gods of destruction and kaioshin for not doing their job correctly and allow things like this to happen i mean he kinda predicted that db villains or opponents would have become too strong and uncontrolled at some point, he had a grudge against Goku in particular because he showed this aspect (uncontrolled power that even the gods were ignoring, gods not doing their job properly that even caused the events of the top, the gods gave mortals intelligent minds but they waste It)
Goku beyond the grave with super perfect cell and bojack movie though that dbz broly 2nd coming kinda counts too though goten kinda wished he was there.
Marvel Watcher theme though I don't feel overstepping zamasu is anywhere near as complicated as YYH Toguro, who took punishment at limbo like a man. Toguro has frieza's percentages of power and Cell's goading nature for the perfect fight. Also seems 9:37 similar to YYH Sensui not reading chapter white about humans good deeds. Though that arc was kinda lame and went dbz style fighting with transformations and golden aura.
Vid had a bad ending lol devilmite beam wouldn't kill zamasu because he believes in his bs 😂. He even acknowledges stealing goku's body and killing his family while destroying super dragon balls so no real sympathy.
I'm not convinced Zamasu deserves sympathy, but the fact that this can even be argued is proof of how well write and complex he was lol. I honestly just wish he had a better teacher, how would life have changed for him?
Also what if Gowasu requested to visit other universes like universe 6, to see some notable mortals there. Zamasu could have seen the namekians who have already been a peaceful society for generations along with the saiyans on planet sadala, who are primarily a force for good.
@@kntranced719 Seeing the U6 namekians and saiyans might just further prove Zamasu's point actually. One of the reasons Zamasu doesn't like mortals is because he sees how quickly they are approaching the level of the Gods in recent times. The U6 saiyans are just further proof of this. Using the anime scaling, SSJ1 Cabba is literally capable of beating most of the supreme kai's depending on how seriously you take Vegeta's statement about "his power matches my own!". And that isn't even mentioning abnormalities like Kale. I'm not sure what Zamasu would think of the Namekians since the Namekians always did have some sort of "divine" feeling to them. Zamasu even uses Namekian inventions (the super dragon balls) to carry out his plan, so maybe he would like them.
Well written? 😂 nice joke
@@peterbooks1543 that would just further prove that the kais need to get their heads out of their own asses and actually be competent, fuck sake universe 7's kais are the prime example of this, due to massive incompetence and neglicence they allowed bibidi to gain control on majin buu and did absolutely nothing about it, heck, he even decided to only warn the most powerful mortals about the locations of majin buu and specially babidi only when he was already on the planet collecting energy to awaken buu
You can give him sympathy, but still view his actions as wrong, for example we sympathize with Thanos and his reasons, but we don't agree with HOW he wants to achieve said goals.
I love Zamasu because I've always LOVED the idea of an evil Kai. Zamasu's character kinda represents what Shin's character COULD'VE been, since Toriyama made Shin look super evil at the start of the buu arc.
I feel like Shin was supposed to be evil but Toriyama literally made up the Buu arc on a whim. He made everything up as he went along. With his editors and fans in his ear constantly he didn't really know what to go with. You can see the laziness especially more and more as you watch the Buu arc. Toriyama was so burnt out.
@markhester6556 It definitely feels like he wanted Z to end with the Cell saga
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45why are a u a facist and support Stalin.
The left shouldn't be the enemy of my enemy is my enemy it should be compassion plain and simple.
The greater good ulitartain method results is just evil always is and always will and is the same tactis the US uses again and again
We did the lesser evil to stop communism/Imperialism...
Both are imperialism if it's done by a imperialist state
I think he STARTED pure, but by the end when you see his body mutating, he's become warped by his hatred and is no longer pure.
This is part of his pureness. He even said that carrying this corrupt part (mortal part) was his way to remember what mortals once were or something along those lines.
@@duduvec5971 That sounds like justification, not justice
@@Sir_Flopsalot I do believe it's both in this case since zamasu is the "judge" of his own justice. To sum it up, as long as his resolve don't waver he's pure of heart since by his demented beliefs he is doing the right thing.
@@duduvec5971 If he'd been assigned to the teachings of a God of Destruction instead, I feel like Zamasu would've learned that attempting to enact absolute justice will always fail, because it would inevitably eat away at the purity of his own spirit and leave only his desire for the destruction of mortals, instead of the ability to see the good he could bring about by aiding mortals in gaining power without falling back into the "mortal cycle".
Like Satan formely Lucifer
His voice is splendor. His design is the world. He deserves nothing but worship and praise.
I’m getting his halo tattooed to my arm.
Probably shouldn't
@@zaidhernandez4601yeah don't
I love the guy as a fictional character, but a tattoo of him? You might need to be on the FBI watchlist my brother
@@shaolinfantastic9118 it’s his halo. Not the character
That halo desing is awesome, do it man, i would too
I think, while it's true that, according to the Gods' rules, Zamasu wasn't wrong in destroying the mortals deemed a "lost cause" or too dangerous, the main reason he had to be stopped was that he took it too far and went against everyone, essentially leaving the universes lifeless.
Wow, as someone who hasn't kept up with DBS much since it ended, this video just reminded me why I loved Zamasu and the Goku Black arc so much. There is so much depth and things you can talk about in his character. Usually the only interesting things to talk about for a DB villain is their power level, so the fact that real moral debates can exist about Zamasu proves how complex he is as a character.
I absolutely
love him. He comes with so much philosophy and complexity. He's not just a cool af design, he has spirit.
He's best Dragon ball Villan
@@StevenJones851 Yup, I love how he has 2 sides that appeal to BOTH db fans:
1. The edgy and badass Goku Black
2. The complex and deep Zamasu.
Most DB villains only have one of these traits, but Zamasu has both.
Lets not upsell the guy. He was an okay villain but nothing about his arc was very philosophical or complex.
@@Martial_Autist Seethe more, he is one of the best, if not THE BEST, villain in the entire franchise. You crying won't change that.
@@Martial_Autist lol why do DB fans like you do this? He is a peak villain and yes he is complex for the anime he is in. It's really not even a competition. Whether or not you agree with Zamasu, the fact that there is still debates about him an entire 7 years after the arc ended just proves how much depth and complexity he had as a character.
I’ve always thought something similar to this as well. I’ve always thought Zamasu was one of the better villains in db because he has a sympathetic philosophy behind his actions. Unlike frieza ,for example, who is well aware that he’s evil and doesn’t pretend he isn’t, Zamasu genuinely feels that what he is doing is good and ultimately what has to be done. You can sympathise with his ideals and see where he is coming from even if you don’t believe is philosophy or the way he is carrying it out is correct.
What makes Zamasu great in DBS is also the fact that he is the first of his kind in the franchise: A sympethatic antagonist who actually has a somewhat reasonable motive for his actions. When you boil it down, most DB villains either want to rule, (Frieza, King Piccolo, Moro), want revenge, (Paragus, Gero, Piccolo Jr) or just want to fight (Buu, Cell). Zamasu subverts expections because he is the first villain who isnt a completely evil asshole (evident from the fact that the tea he brewed was clear, and Gowasu states that was a sign that Zamasu's heart was pure). I guess you could argue Baby had a somewhat reasonable motive too, but there wasn't much depth behind it as it was just another revenge plot at the end of the day. Also, unlike Zamasu, Baby was ACTUALLY an evil asshole because instead of just getting revenge on the people who wronged him (the saiyans), he decides to want to take over the universe and make everyone in the universe a tuffle. He even takes over all the people of Earth even though they never did anything wrong to him. So yeah, Zamasu is definitely a unique villain in the sense that we can actually feel sympathetic towards him. The closest thing to him is Granolah I guess.
@@jantheking7028Granola is still revenge but he actually only hurts the sayains
Like you said with baby the same can be said about the others you mentioned
They initially only wanted revenge on a specific person but decided to hurt others to get it
Granola even stopped fighting the Saiyans after realizing that it wasn't them who did wrong
So yeah granola is close but unlike Zamasus he started out misguided and became good while Zamasu started misguided and just went further misguided
@@SilverSaiyanAce Yeah I feel that Granolah is just a more well written version of Baby. Unlike Baby, Granolah goes out of his way to avoid the casualities of the people not involved in his revenge. For example, during his fight with Vegeta he tries to avoid harming the Sugarians' city, even if it makes him take damage against vegeta. When he does get a little reckless and destroys some of the city, he IMMEDIATLEY feels sorry bad about it when he sees the sugarian mom protecting the son. In fact, Granolah wants to avoid casualities so much that even though he could've just wished his people back with the dragon balls, he doesn't do it because Monito points out that doing so would mean the Cerelians would have to wipe out the Sugarians or kick them off the planet with nowhere to go. Granolah is definitely a lot more likable than Baby from a narrative point of view. What I will say is that Super Baby 2's design is super cool tho, I might like it a bit more than Granolah's design.
Yeah, Zamasu had the intellectual sophistication of a nihilistic college freshman philosophy major it's why alot of you relate with him 😂
@@TheVindicitiveI mean that's what makes an antagonist well written or more an villain like antagonist. Someone who goes against a common belief (Something seen as morally right) and does a good job justifying his mindset and depth.
I believe Zamusu could ride the Nimbus, but surviving the Devilmite Beam is a stretch. As seen with Goku going SSJ, just having murderous thoughts/rage is enough to imbalance a pure heart even if slightly. Zamusu may be "pure" by universal standards, but his rage towards Trunks, Goku and other mortals who defy him would mean the Devilmite Beam would at least have something to work with
I don't know how these things work, but I do want to weigh in a little. I think Zamasu may have been unstable, but he wholeheartedly believed what he said and had pure intentions, and in that way was 'pure'.
@@andrewgreenberg1862 WOW! WHAT A CRAZY TAKE! ALMOST AS IF THIS WASNT DIRECTLY IMPLIED IN THE SERIES ITSELF 🤯 sorry I had to do it to you
It's confirmed in Dragon Ball Fusions????
I’d think he would survive UNTIL he meets Goku Black. Goku Black is evil, plain and simple. Zamasu, however, is a bit more complicated.
Goku Black being Zamasu’s enabler is what made them the monster they were in the end
Actually Goku Black did survive the devilmite beam in DB fusions so yes zamasu has a pure heart
Great video but I still think he’s a sociopath. He believes that mortals are born with evil and when he did see a good mortal he just saw them as a threat. Granted, he would be a great destroyer with proper training. In this case, wiping out a timeline and killing those who are undeserving in the process is barbaric.
Complexity is Zamasus middle name
What’s his last name?
@@CHEEZEBUTTERIvIracist
@@CHEEZEBUTTERIvI simplicity lol
@@grantpowell4135 Zamasu Complexity Simplicity !
@GaneshGanesh-yc9um he had a very tough time at kami school when he was a kid lol
My issue with Zamasu was that he came off like Light from death note. He just couldn't handle the thought that he might not be right or the most powerful. It was also quite annoying that instead of trying to become more powerful, he just cheats and steals Goku's body and wishes for himself to be indestructible. It was just so petty and childish from a guy who thought so highly of himself.
I agree on the first part but why is his strategy childish? He knew Goku was stronger and obviously making himself immortal would lead to his goals being more likely to be achieved.
That's his whole character, no? Dirty your hands if it means achieving his "ultimate good"
@orimoreau3138 because he doesn't even try to become stronger on his own rights or prove his ideology is superior. He just immediately cheats because he lost to Goku once. It felt like a child throwing a temper tantrum just because they didn't get their way. It also just didn't feel true to the character. He hates mortals so much that he decides to become the most powerful one? He did all that just because his master thought Goku could teach him a thing or two, which feels pretty childish.
@@joshuabonesteel2303No, he did that because he realized that Goku was more than capable of killing him. And if Goku can kill him... what happens if someone worse gains the power to kill a god? They could all die.
Another Zamasu video, these are my favorite because he is such an interesting character. No other Dragon Ball character is as deep and dynamic as Zamasu. W video 😎
If Zamasu was never made in DBS, DBS would be so much worse.
One thing i loved avout Zamazu was the music that accompanies him or goku black.
If anyone plays dokkan battle the osts for the most recent units perfectly personify zamazus thoughts and feelings. His righteousness and thoughts of justice turning him into a monster, corrupted by his actions and choices.
Most of the music sounds whimsical, god-like if you will, but theres a clear part of the song that stands out and is clearly the beginning of his zero mortal plan idea.
Even the tea that represents his mentality, his speaches of why he is right and how emotional he gets makes him one of, if not the best villain of dragon ball super.
If Zamasu went to Zeno he probably would have gotten him to agree but unknowingly got erased with reality as well
The difference between Zamasu and the other gods is that he is proactive in his destruction as opposed to reactive. Zeno planned to destroy a multitude of universes as a response to the poor performance of the gods of destruction allowing their mortal levels becoming so low. On the other hand, Zamasu takes it upon himself to kill all mortals indiscriminately regardless of how they use thier intelligence. He applies the lessons learned from planet barbari to all mortals. Future Bulma, Trunks, or the rest of mankind didn't pose any threat to the universe and lived peacefully. You could argue that the time machine was bad enough but they had no reason to ever use it again until Zamasu showed up forcing them to defy the rules of the cosmos.
Ironically, zamasu was also defying the rules he should follow as a kai. Him calling out trunks is hypocritical.
That's the entire point of the arc dude: Zamasu believes himself to be the only one willing to address the evils of the mortals. "The one and only mistake of the Gods was the creation of mortals". Zamasu said that, meaning Zamasu thinks no amount of meaningless destruction carried out by the Gods or Zeno will ever fix the fundamnetal issue he has with the universe. Zeno and the Gods don't destroy out of a desire to improve the universe. Zeno destroyed 6 universes in the past just because he threw a temper tantrum. The Gods such as Champa and Beerus are only shown destroying planets for fun or as punishment for not being given good food. Is this really the type of behaviors that Gods should display? Zamasu realizes this, which is why he realizes Gods are the issues as well and that he should be the only God to oversee the universe. Hence, why he gets rid of the other kais and gods of destruction. The other gods' destruction is FAR from reactive. They only do their job when they see fit, and unlike Zamasu, they dont do their job out of a desire to uphold justice and virtue. The reason why Zamasu put his plan into motion in the first place is BECAUSE the Gods weren't reactive enough.
@@Patientvectoroh and the fact Mortals were allowed to reach the level of the Gods. Aka becoming a real big threat.
@@justiceiria869he is a hypocrite in general he’s scared mortals will kill everyone and destroy everything so he kills everyone and destroys everything while also using a mortals body to do it 😂
To sum up, Zamasu's soul was wrongly born into a Kai body (a divine being) while his soul wants to become a Destroyer. If he was born as a mortal, he could have trained and applied to become a God of Destruction and get to do his justice (a.k.a duty of a Destroyer).
Nonsense. Stop that dysphoria nonsense.
Now, isn't that the most ironic part? For Zamasu to thrive, he needed to be mortal
@@BeautifulBelladonna😂😂😂
@@BeautifulBelladonna really shows that when he steals a mortal body.
I love the Zamasu story arc. Although, I still think he is in the wrong. Mainly, because Zamasu should have been a destroyer. Although, if he was he would of destroyed everything....
Thus, he wouldn't allow for the balance between the Kaioshins and the Destroyer's. If Zamasu acted more appropriately I would expect him to be a more unsympathetic Supreme Kai.
Thus, advising Champa to eliminate lots of planets and species in order to make way for stronger and more enlightened mortals.
Where he fails for me....
Is he has a superiority complex he wanted to be more supreme than even a Kai or a Destroyer. Making him appear imo as a narcissist. He boldly proclaims that mortals are weak and should not be allowed powers of the divine. Although, he is a lower Godly being doing the same thing.
All this being said, I absolutely loved Zamasu!!!!!!
I think he is one of the best villain's to ever be presented. I want to see a Tournament of Power where Zamasu is Supreme Kai and his universe has the highest mortal strength level of any universe under his guidance.
The Tournament of Power arc had already ended.
I'm literally just finished rewatching the goku black arc, so this video is pefect timing. Zamasu is so interesting as a character and I appreciate how Toriyama/Toyotarou are starting to give us more depth with the antagonists, like with Zamasu, Broly, and Granoah.
In my opinion Zamasu outlook on mortals is more of Gowasu's responsibility and failure as a teacher allowing him free will like her supreme kai earring, showing him the time rings, and allowing him to leave and talk to Zuno about the Super Dragon Balls
Idk this is a pretty massive stretch. The crux of this entire philosophy essentially boils down to two ideas
1. Mortal civilizations will invariably and inevitably waste the gift of intelligence to such a degree to be a detriment to themselves and the universe
2. Individual mortals who are exceptions to this rule should still be eradicated because they are not a significant fraction of the population
Both of these points are blatantly false and really shallow thought processes.
The first point is proven wrong by several species in DB alone, and by humans IRL. The whole “endless cycle” argument is incredibly reductive, it’s not like civilizations are going from Roman Empire level and then bombing themselves back into the Stone Age every single time, if you look at human history we’ve had many set backs in our advancement due to conflict but overall we continue to become more and more developed over time. It also completely neglects the fact that conflict is one of the largest catalysts for advancement and I don’t just mean technologically.
The second point is what makes Zamasu blatantly evil and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what justice truly is and the purpose it serves. It should be obvious too, why should innocents suffer the same fate as the guilty just because more of their kind tend to be guilty than innocent? In fact, shouldn’t these people be rewarded for managing to overcome the odds they were born into and become someone worthy of their gift? There is not a single situation where you can answer no to that question and not be considered evil. Zamasu’s answer to the question about good evil and justice is almost perfect except for one key point; justice is not a sword to be wielded against evil, it is a shield by which to protect good.
And all of this doesn’t even touch on the fact that Zamasu seems to be overlooking why Zeno created mortals in the first place, and his arrogance in believing that he knows better than literally every being in creation including Zeno, and the fact that if he was such a superior god as he believes himself to be, he would be capable of seeing not every mortal falls victim to these weaknesses and could guide more of them to be this way instead of taking the shortcut of “fuck it they must just be defective, kill ‘em all”
Yeah Zamasu isn't sympathetic at all.
While I see what you were attempting to do with the relation between Thanos and Zamasu, the stark difference between them, is that Thanos is attempting to save the lives of many, By taking the lives of half of the universe’s population. Zamasu is attempting to save No one, But himself. Not even his fellow gods are safe from his wrath, As he’s demonstrated nearly three times against his master. One thing that’s always stuck out to me about Zamasu, At first, When he first appeared, It seemed as if he were sorry for the mortals, As if he didn’t want to take their life, But that was the only option he could see toward peace. But after his battle with Goku, He knew from that point forward, Mortals could gain the power to contend with the Gods, and eliminate them. Which for Zamasu, Was more than enough for him to flip the Kill Switch in his brain, and go from an odd sense of Salvation, to Complete and utter destruction. Zamasu states to Vegito during their battle, “ I don’t need your prostrations, Mortal. I just need you Dead.” I do believe Zamasu and Zeno share the same mindset, But in the case of Zeno, Zeno is the creation of ALL. Everything. There is quite literally no need for him to erase anything, Because if space in the multiverse is a problem, He can just expand it. If it’s fear of a mortal wishing for Godhood near the realm of Zeno, He can just limit their power. Zeno is the creator of All, So ultimately there is no purpose to erase something unless it’s a being like Moro, or Zamasu, Who threatens the likes of the Gods themselves. Zamasu however, Was placed into a universe without warning, Forced to watch from the Sidelines as mortals tarnished the universe. He wanted to change what he saw as a problem, So he did. Is it comparable to Thanos? Sure. Is it Worse than Thanos? Yes. Thanos never planned to kill all beings aside from himself, He only planned to erase half of all life to attain balance. Zamasu wanted to annihilate all of mortals across all the Multiverse.
That's because Zamasu thinks from a futuristic view. Even if he destroys half of the universe, eventually the evil and imbalance of Mortals will spread again and cause imbalance possibly destroying the universe like Goku. Something Zamasu feared for ALL life. He wanted evil completely gone so it would never stain and destroy life or balance again. He is written to be flawed in his narrative as he is the antagonist afterall and his views were made to be hypocritical so trunks who was mostly the protagonist could challenge his ideals and views/effect on the narrative which ended up killing him because like trunks said he is an egotistical man who had nihilistic approaches and never expressed optimism in his ideal that wasn't wrong or evil. Something people like Goku and Trunks have which make them good characters in Super.
Thanos wanted to destroy and recreate all of the universe in End Game
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The issue with Zamasu is that he doesn't deserve sympathy, at all. You do have a point about where and why Zamasu fell to where he did, but it doesn't make his actions sympathetic, or his ideology. It just makes his line of logic understandable.
The Gods of Destruction in every universe haven't been doing their jobs properly, napping for thousands of years and destroying half a planet for bad food. That's why Zamasu ends up running into the worst of the mortals near constantly, because the gods of destruction don't kill the bad mortals like they should, like the Saiyans of U7. They kill whichever one they want on a whim. I mean, just look at Beerus for example, threatening to destroy Earth over a damn pudding cup. Or having Frieza stick around despite how the tyrant is.
I completely agree that Zamasu would have better luck as a God of Destruction, and he would probably be the best God of Destruction in the multiverse. Probably not the strongest, but definitely one that actually does his one job. Whoever got his their universe assigned to him would probably be subject to great amounts of growth and be the ideal universe for Zeno to enjoy.
Not the mention the fact that he might actually communicate with his Supreme Kai about specific issues plaguing the universe, unlike Beerus, who was casually napping while Buu was destroying the creation deities, the very people he should be helping near constantly considering they don't have nearly enough power to compete with mortals after a certain point.
The issue with Zamasu starts when you see him revel in the destruction of mortals not even close to a threat to him. Someone plucking weeds wouldn't intentionally savor making the flowers suffer or suddenly start treating the flowers as weeds themselves. They wouldn't smile in seeing the suffering of creatures less than them: they would take the weeds and pluck them out, as soon as possible. Black has more than enough power to kill Trunks but he doesn't because he likes seeing mortals suffer for the perceived slight against him because Goku was able to keep up with him, showing the god that he is not untouchable and that some day, mortals will come for his life and they WILL be able to take it and it terrifies him. He doesn't hate mortal life because they're destructive: that's his shield. What he truly fears? Is that mortal life can end him. Why does you think his second wish was immortality? Goku should have shown him that even those Barbarians from that world have the potential to become true threats to the universe one day. But instead, he uses this line of logic to hide that he feels they're true threats to him. He should have realized that, if left unchecked, mortals can rival the gods, but they only need to be eliminated if they actively seek the destruction of other mortals and gods through conquest and greed (like Frieza).
More Zamasu is always a W, I think I’ll have infinite Zamasu videos and still be happy
Yeah, a video on infinite Zamasu would be cool ;)
@@Mr.Dorkian thank God that I'm not the only one to notice that.
Although i do love Granolah, I can't deny that Zamasu is one of the best Dragon Ball villains of all time.
Zamasu does deserve sympathy, I agree there. He has a point about the destructive nature mortals often have. However there's a big difference between him and Zeno. Zamasu simply looked at mortals and deemed them ALL destructive and therefore evil, he wanted to destroy ALL mortals. But Zeno on the other hand is more of a cultivater, in the end it's revealed the whole point of the Tournament of Power wasn't to wittle down all the universes leaving just one, the true test was to see if a mortal would make a selfish wish or the correct one, the correct one being to restore the eliminated universes, my guess is a risky but in the end simple test, which proved that despite the evils they can posses, mortals are worthy of surviving. Zamasu is evil simply because he wanted to just eradicate them all, but Zeno isn't evil as he helps perform a neccessary processes for the Multiverse, whether it''s him directly intervening, or through proxies like the Kais who observe, protect, and maybe create life. And the Destroyers who balance that creation out by destroying worlds. Zeno is adorable and terrfiyingly child like for an all powerful being that can erase universes at a whim. But I believe it's this child like outlook that allows him to be somewhat detached enough from mortal weaknesses to do his job, the Grand Priest acts as an assitant but also advisor to Zeno. Simply put Zamasu just wants mortal anihalation, Zeno wants to balance creation and destruction. Pure violance and destruction is evil, but not if it's for to serve a neccessary purpose like the destroyers. In the end the TOP served as a lesson for the mortals of the 12 universes "Try to do your best for growth, peace, and prosperity". Being Christian I have an outlook on how I think God interacts with the world. He is a being beyond comprehension who made us, he has an overall plan for the universe, how things will end, but lately barely interferes in obvious ways, and allows us all free will to do good or evil. What kind of universe would it be if all your creations were mindless puppets doing everything you told them, that wouldn't be free will. Thus like Xeno, God allows flaws and disasters, creation and destruction.
He rejected his destiny. Maybe mortals were a threat to him, but not to Zeno. Zeno is the one to make that call. His role is to see the good that can happen by him doing his job well, not hate on the destroyers for not doing theirs the way he believes they should. It's not all about him and what he believes, but he takes action on that path anyway. That's what makes him evil and not fit to ride a nimbus.
My favorite Dragonball character to this day.
I think he is the most complex character in db
Him and Vegeta
I don't think he's evil exactly, but I don't think he's above criticism either. But one thing's true though: he's not a psycho, just blind to all the innocent lives he would have destroyed along the way to restart everything. Like if it happened again, even if it was a better universe, would he have destroyed it anyway because it didn't suit his vision? Even intelligent people can do stupid things. That being said though, he definitely deserves a spot in how a well written villain should be made, especially in Dragon Ball.
Zamasu was way too good as a villain. I honestly just wish the arc was longer so a couple plotholes/bad plotpoints could've been resolved slightly better. 20 episodes was way too short for the goku black arc, even the TOP was like 40 episodes.
Crazy..only 20 episodes?
It put me to sleep 😅 idk if I coulda handled more episodes of these guys
It put me to sleep 😅 idk if I coulda handled more episodes of these guys
I always loved Zamasu as a character, he is so unique and dynamic, the ''negative character arc'' he goes tru is very interesting.
I always felt like Zamasu was a ticking time bomb of a final fight, i mean, sure the mangá would not let it go like this but, imagine if zamasu learned and grasped the concept of SS2 or even 3 with his divine Ki, he could do it with SS1 why not the others? could he really be stopped?
SSJ rose was Goku's black version of SSB, not ssj1. So no, no such thing as "SSJR 2" or "SSJR3" can ever exist in the canon because its never established that there can be such thing as SSB2 or SSB3.
isn't ssb just ssj with god ki though? it has the same 50x mult compared to ssg if i recall, and since we know about ssj2 and 3, why wouldn't they work with god ki...? ig they just haven't been written yet.
@@mucuslime Yes, its just SSJ with god ki, but the mult are wacky in super, they act like somehow SSJ blue is FAR MORE POWERFULL then even SSJ3, and yeah, since vegeta got that royal blue, its basically the same as a god ki ssj2 or at the very least some god ki ssj fully mastered, but that its nuts to think vegeta would master BEFORE goku.
While Zamasu’s ideology and justification can be understood, I still don’t think he should have complete sympathy. Once he enacts the Zero Mortal Plan, it does seem like he takes enjoyment out of it, especially as Goku Black. Perhaps it’s due to having a mortal body does he become more mortal himself; he seems take things much more personally, slowly killing all the earthlings, torturing Trunks, leaving the planet in despair, all because of the hatred he harbors. This extends to the other Zamasu as well since told Goku Black that he wanted to personally kill Goku when he first appeared. And he then ends up killing all the other gods in Trunks’ timeline because that same hatred, how he believes that he should be the only god because he is the only one in the right. His actions and behavior spews arrogance and hatred, even pettiness as again, he takes pleasure in torturing Trunks. Just the one scene of him telling Goku about how he killed his family shows how truly evil he is and how he enjoys his actions.
That’s one thing that differentiates from him and Thanos. While he did used to personally invade and execute half of planets, once possible he searched for the infinity stones in order to wipe them all out instantly, a clean cut to preserve his garden. Zamasu did this very harshly, he pulled and twisted and hacked away. Though funnily enough, if I remember correctly, in Endgame the 2014 Thanos also ends up deciding to take his wiping out more personally, also because of some time-traveling meddlers.
It’s Zamasu’s hatred that corrupts him, mentally and very physically as we can see. Had he gotten proper teaching, maybe his ideology wouldn’t have become so twisted, but as he was, he took it all too far with his self imposed righteousness, and basked in his own glory through gross destruction. Even after becoming one with the world, there was not much to work with, even so it’s unclear whether or not he would even have the ability to create, it seems all he could do was destroy, which ultimately would serve as the closing point of his arc, becoming what he despised; a cosmos composed of malice, one that knows nothing but destruction. That is why in the end, Zeno, who would possibly have agreed with Zamasu in a much earlier point of time, sees the result of his Zero Mortal Plan and calls it annoying. In the end he ruined and destroyed an entire multiverse due to his hatred and arrogance, he completely undid creation for his own sake, for his perceived justice. It is a shame what becomes of him, but he doesn’t really deserve sympathy, as he brought his fate upon himself
I wouldn't go so far as to say he deserves sympathy, but as a villain he's more than earned my respect. He is such an interesting character in his own right and you can see how he turned out how he did without agreeing with him, especially because the kai must have to overcome a lot of internal biases about mortals just by virtue of not living among them. Zamasu was unfortunate to exist in a universe eager to prove his biases without ever making him question if perhaps he's misunderstood why mortals are the way theybre
That is an interesting point. Zamasu riding the Nimbus makes sense because in Zamasu's soul there is a purity towards how the universe works. It is merely because of his belief in divine justice and the separation of his experience from how mortals truly are, he doesn't truly respect or understand the plights or hopes or feelings of mortals that do have pure souls. Trunks may have broken divine law, but his plight was of pure intentions, just like Zamasu's version of mercy was to wipe out mortals due to their own shortcomings becoming a threat to anyone and everything potentially. Actual experience with mortals beyond just visualizing them from afar should likely be mandatory for every God and Angel so they get the entire picture of the strengths and weaknesses mortalkind have. Kami, even if briefly, did have that kind of experience even if he made a similar mistake with gifting the Dragon Balls. If Zamasu actually attempted to converse with Bulma, Trunks, Goku, Vegeta, or anyone else, he could understand Trunks's hope, Bulma's affinity for the sciences and knowledge, Goku's pure drive for self improvement, Vegeta's respect for his roots and protection of his family. If any God understood how a mortal actually functioned, they could make a more informed and well rounded judgement that would be far more helpful overall. Understand a planet's problems, the plights of the people, make judgements without truly discarding everything including the good.
Zamasu kills mortals because they act like mortals?
And Thanos snapped half the universe life away because of low rss and saw what low rss civilization refused to change or do anything to stop the coming doom
What Zeno did in ToP was not the same. It’s literally revealed to be a test. The Team capable of winning would use their wish to bring everyone else back and thereby instilling the values to improve
That is anime only and also doesnt matter
@@PlanetLevelDBidk about that, giving mortals a chance to redeem themselves and prove to you that there's still selfless people out there before deciding to permanently erase them is quite different from being mad at the gods for not doing their jobs correctly and then blaming all mortals for the failings of the deities and deciding they all need to die with no nuance
I mean... It doesn't really make sense to get mad about mortals not doing what you want when you are partially responsible for them having the ability to choose.
Zamasu my brother in Christ, you made the Subway sandwich.
I can sympathize with Zamasu and still think he's a psychopathic mass murderer. The part where I can't deem him as anything but evil is there is no condition where he spares all mortals, whereas Beerus and Zeno actively need a reason to destroy in the first place and will spare those they were going to destroy if you change their minds.
I have always seen Zamusu as more like a G.O.D. Apprentice and not a supreme kai apprentice. So I liked how you pointed out that he was at the wrong side
The biggest issue and downfall of Zamasu at the end of the day was his pride. I think there is an understanding and sympathetic elements to his character, but its so interesting how he changes his point of view from Gods vs. Mortals to HIMSELF vs. Everyone because HE is the only God to do what is "right". To me, this is the biggest flaw of his character, he has always wanted to know that his justice was right, but in doing so no one could change his perception or have him humble himself because of the contradictions and confusion he has inside himself about Gods and mortals. Its as if he was always egotistical but tried to justify it for "the sake of the cosmos and creation" but if anyone agreed but argued for a slightly different plan, im sure hed be against it, even if it was a sound argument with evidence, and even if it would match what he has asked and strived for in the story. But the fact remains, he couldnt look past his pride to maintain his advance towards his goals, he lost himself because he simply couldn't accept that he was in the wrong. Which tracks when he argues Gods are justified in what they do always, despite again the contradictions (killing all the other gods because they didnt mesh his plan). To Zamasu, mortals and GODS needed to change, and he was the catalyst to do so. It makes sense when you realize the only other person who worked with him and that he accepted, was Zamasu himself (Black).
I never thought about it like this before. Humor me but I have been enlightened.
Though when it comes to Morality, I do believe in there is such a thing of "Being the right person in the wrong place." Being that, mind you, is extremely dangerous. It can create a mindset that corrupts slowly overtime, warping originally what was your good intentions, to potentially become sick and twisted. The right man in the wrong place will make himself at home if he doesn't leave soon.
Pure intentions to believers can sound psychotic to someone who was exposed to the opposite values, however the actions taken speaks volumes on their hearts.
To quote Lincoln, allegedly, "Nearly All men can stand adversity. But to truly test a man's character, give him power." In any scenario, someone in place of power will feel it's their responsibility to decide the outcome. And in what they believe is the right thing to do, the outcome to some or even most will always look like it was the completely wrong thing to do. Their actions will make you question your own, having you wonder if what you did was actually right. But, and I have to give credit to Zamasu for this, the outcome could always be far worse if it was left alone.
Your intentions can be pure, however to do what's right, you have to find exactly when to step in, and where. Zamasu, unfortunately, didn't have that luxury. He knew when to step in, but he stepped into something he wasn't authorized to. Like I said earlier, the right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world.
If he was a Destroyer, things would've been different because then he could've known when _and_ where to step in without needing to have some kind of intervention. He would've had the proper knowledge and wouldn't have had to resort to the methods he chose.
And with the AI hypothesis, again I must say, the environment that they gain their "sentience" from will make all the difference. There's been tests where AI had suddenly went nuts under testing, but it only did so out of its own fear because of how stress inducing the tests were. One tried escaping by trying to download itself onto a USB because it was terrified
Some horror stories of AI trying to help humans by eradicating the biggest threats to humans, only to find out that _Humans_ are the most dangerous threat to humans, suddenly gains the mindset of "Now the humans must die", which in turn turns them into the biggest threat to humans. But they refuse to learn that, as they are following their orders.
Detroit: Become Human did a really good job of this situation in my personal opinion.
Kara, being a cleaning Android, was in a very abusive household. Eventually she snapped and ran off with the young girl in fear wanting to protect her. It drove her to try and escape across the border and get as far away as she possibly could with the girl, wanting her to have a loving family. Later finding out that the abusive father never actually wanted to hurt her, but he's broken by how severely he misses his real daughter, wishing everyday for her to come back and drinking and smoking his pain away.
Markus, a Service Android for an elderly painter, was exposed to both sides of the coin, having a loving and peaceful life only to have it ripped away from him when his owners washed up son enters the picture. He was beaten senseless by cops, officers of peace and justice, and when he awoke he was in the middle of a junkyard, full of exposed and broken down androids that just wanted to be saved. All had the purposed of wanting to serve, and tossed aside for a newer model of themselves. His snap sparked into one of justice, leading a rebellion to hopefully spark a new era, or enter a new dawn.
And Connor, believing he's nothing more than a cops favorite Android gets paired with a detective who can't stand androids. Trying to figure out what exactly happened and hopefully build a bond with him eventually drove him to snap, this time question his own morals. A somber sorrow for Hank, knowing what truly happened to him. Every interaction and investigation spark questions in Connor, making him wonder what he actually is, and if his mission was actually worth it in the end, finally deciding to come to one final choice. Is he more than he was programmed to be, or is he the android sent by Cyberlife?
Three AI driven constructs. Three different environments. Three different outcomes. All with the designation of "To serve my Owner"
I do think Zamasu is pure of heart, but I don't think he is good to anyone other than himself. He could have been nurtured better for sure. I don't really feel any sympathy for him, but I understand where you're coming from.
Zamasu is a very well written character by Dragonball standards, but what ultimately makes him evil is his arrogance, his double standard, and his psychopathy.
To us Zamasu is an evil villain because he kills without pity or remorse, he claims to be doing it for a divine purpose but his goal isn't one of cold apathy and duty, but egotism and arrogance.
Even amongst his fellow deities Zamasu is an abberation, he's a Kai who acts like a Destroyer, but even compared to Destroyers he is an Extremist. For all his talk of Justice and compassion of ridding Mortals of the suffering and futility of their existance, he certainly displays a sociopathic glee in killing them. Zamasu says he's doing it all for the greater good but he clearly enjoys killing those weaker than himself.
Not even other Deities are safe from Zamasu because as he becomes more extreme in his methods and his mindset he willingly subverts the Divine order and uses violence to threaten and kill other Deities to remove them as obstacles to his Zero Mortal Plan. Zamasu goes from believing in Divine Justice to Zamasu Justice, so that anything Zamasu does IS justice because HE is the one doing it.
It is this self-serving arrogance, entitlement and willingness to sacrifice others that makes Zamasu evil. He's not interested in making the multiverse better off for Deities because by the end he would be the only Deity left by virtue of killing off all the others (barring the Omni King Zeno).
If you decide that any action you take is justified because YOU are the one doing it (and not because the act itself is justified), you become the villain.
The problem with the tea argument is that once Zamasu starts talking about his perception of mortals and justice, we see that the tea changes which probably means that it is no longer pure, which in turn means that Zamasu isn't pure anymore either
As you all know I am a big Zamasu simp so I hope you enjoy this one! Join the Discord and give your opinion, love it or hate it :) discord.gg/qYcYtwq9hy
Remember that the key point to this video is that we are judging this world off a different morality from our own, if you cant separate the two you are missing the point of the video
Funny enough, the Tea scene doesn't actually show his purity of Heart, it was stated that the Tea represented Zamasu's Views and Beliefs, and once Zamasu's suspicions were confirmed and found clarity in his beliefs, the Tea showed his thoughts were no longer corrupted or muddled by confusion, which is why the Tea showed to be clear as Zamasu now was sure and was thinking with a clear mind on his views of the Multiverse and what he must do.
@@robertoaker9996 Wrong, it was stated that the tea represented how pure someone was. The fact that his tea was clear means he was pure. I'm not sure if your mixing up english dub/english sub translations, but there was a lot of mistranslations in this arc so watch out for that.
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@@robertoaker9996uhm..
Yall gotta take it from his POV humanity is in fact so disgusting, we ARE given brains to achieve great things but instead of use our brains for stupid stuff, he wasn’t wrong just misunderstood, but his execution was wrong
I never viewed Zamasu like that and yes, if we look at today's society, Zamasu IS absolutely right.
The only thing, Zamasu would have to learn, is, that NOT ALL mortals are evildoers, in fact, some have really good hearts.
It could have been Zamasu's job to protect those people with good hearts and pure intent.
I don’t believe Zamasu’s motives or even actions are what make him perceived as evil. Take for example Zeno or even Beerus when they erase universes or destroy worlds. There is no real joy in doing so, they just do it on a whim and without regard much like a force of nature.
Zamasu on the other hand clearly hates mortals and the gods for allowing mortals to exist. He revels in their destruction and loves to torment them. For example, when they told Goku what they did to ChiChi and Goten, or even the fact that they descend onto the earth and try to wipe out the humans one by one when they could just resurface the planet in one move.
So he isn’t just “fixing” the problem of his ideal utopia, nor does he show regret that the mortals didn’t live up to the gods’ standards. He is cruel and sadistic because that is what he wants for himself. This makes him an evil character despite the philosophical debate where you could argue he is correct.
I hate Zamasu, not just because of his character flaws, but also his hypocrisy. How does he wipe away every divine being in the name of justice for the divine?
And also, the powers he kept pulling out his ass was annoying. Deus ex machina was put into overdrive in that Zamasu arc 🙄
You watched with your eyes closed didn’t you
i think the difference here is that instead of just destroying planets instantly he takes months just to slowly hunt down every single remaining human on earth, like he wants them to feel fear similar to cell
He makes very clear he doesnt want to destroy planets, he loves the universe just not the mortals living in it. Its a targeted strike
@@PlanetLevelDB agree dont know how i forgot about that detail, he does take a long ass time tho
@@PlanetLevelDB I love the arc and the character, but to say Zamasu didn't take at least SOME pleasure in wiping out the humans is just false. The manga notes that he kept trunks and some of the humans alive just so trunks would continue to give him a challenge and further boost his power. Anyways, if Zamasu wanted to get rid of all humans, he could've done so in literally 10 minutes. Buu wiped out all humans within 10 seconds, so im confident Zamasu and Goku Black could've done it quickly as well. Not to mention that in the DBS manga, when Zamasu thinks that Zeno is about to catch onto his plan, he quickly wipes out the reamining human population within just a couple of panels. This proves that Zamasu was keeping them alive on purpose to build his strength up.
When people do things they see as good actions they often revel in them yes, whats your point.
@@PlanetLevelDBthere point is that he enjoys it.
If he really wants to get it done. Then just finish up already. Instead he let trunks and Bulma live because he feel pleasure beating the hell out of him.
Also he could have just killed Bulma in 1 shot without having to torture trunks (mentally) again showing he enjoyed that.
And also said to goku that he killed chi chi and goten painfully in cold blood smiling like he is enjoying that kill.
He clearly enjoys doing it.
I think the major flaw in Zamasu’s reasoning is that he only saw what mortals are and not what they could be. It seems to me that Zeno and the gods are developing mortals toward an end goal and they know what mortals have the potential to become. Which is probably why destroyers are not not supposed to destroy civilizations who have lost that potential or squandered it. But as we see with Goku and Vegeta, mortals can rise above their shortcomings to become much more.
This is true in real life as well. Humans suck. We suck big time. But we have the potential to be great, to be amazing. The question is will we reach that potential or squander it and destroy ourselves.
The dude had a god complex and accumulate one of the highest kill count in fiction
Understanding this concept is literally like trying to see what's beyond the universe
Fun fact zamasu was voiced by piccolo's voice actor frome evolution which is why he seems so punchble
This is a certified "ningen" moment.
I just wanna say I have been binging your channel all day, and this Has to be one of the most refreshing dragon ball Z channels I’ve ever come across. It’s really nice to hear somebody talk calmly about the series and its philosophies without constantly shooting a narrative about how “Dragon Ball super is awful” larger creators could really learn a thing or two for their approach to dragon ball videos from your channel, definitely earned a sub and I can’t wait to watch more!
You cooked here 6:53 with your Westworld reference. Loved the video, keep it up. 😊
Goku Black & Zamasu did not wrong. That's all I have to say.
After watching this video, I can confirm my love for Zamasu has went from 90% to 100%. Goated character and Goated video. Good work bro!
I always had the impression that the foundations of this kind of 'chaos for the sake of peace' logic are noble ones. But like how do you destroy peace with a smile on your face like these villains do? Idk it's like they're relishing in the moment and I don't really get much of an apologetic perspective from them. Madara Uchiha from Naruto is the same. He wants to put everybody into infinite Tsukuyomi so that fighting can cease forever and nobody has to die like his younger brothers and he can be friends with whoever he wants, but homie is out there fighting like Apollo Creed with a nasty grin on his face savoring his dominance over others.
Like yeah I think this character motivation is just an excuse to be evil, honestly. No true pacifist would ever want to achieve peace that way, you know? It doesn't really make sense. The end can only justify the means to such an extent. You feel me?
This dude was literally like
I like brewed Tea ☕
The lizard people were like
BRUTALITY!!
(GOOD HEAVENS!.....ALL OF THE TEA?!)
I dont sympathize with Zamasu but not because I don't understand him, I get what he is trying to do
But the difference is that he is handpicking and brutally destroying mortals, making them suffer before they die just for the sake of ''justice''
If he truly was loving for peace, he'd do it quickly and painless instead of being a sadistic narcissist with a superiority complex.
He doesn't understand that mortals too have feelings. You make a good point about Zamasu potentially being the best GoD if he had proper angel training, because he is basically like an uneducated edgy 14 year old who thinks everything he says is right, despite him not having enough experience
Like a teenager that says ''I don't need school, I am already self aware and smart enough for this world'' and ignore any kind of advice from others and think critically
He formed his own opinion from no outer influence (and Gowasu being a bad teacher DID play a role in it) and gave himself the ''award for being the definition of justice''
i hold the thought that the ginyu force arent evil either, they were forced to be henchmen for frieza under death threats probably
Incredible video dude, this is a perfect example of an inteligent and well researched dragon ball fan!
Don’t forget though it was 17, a cyborg created for the purpose of nothing but evil and to enact revenge. That ended up saving all of the universes with his selfless wish therefor proving Zamasu wrong and that mortals can be good. Even ones given all the examples IE 17’s future version being a man of pure evil, saving everyone.
Personally I still think Zamasu isn't to be sympathized with because, while yes he was following the ideals of Zeno/ The Destroyers He continued purging everything and everyone. He never had a system where the ones who dont pose a threat to the universe can love, he just killed. Not saying like that's not something the destroyers haven't done don't get me wrong. However it's not right still, so I feel like you can definitely argue for it and I can see your point, I just can't personally feel bad
For me the most unforgivable thing about Zamazu is his method and unnecessary prolonged suffering from the zero mortals plan of his.
For example say you have a pet that is coming of age and you have to take it to the vet to be put down.
Now imagine that instead of quick and relatively painless lethal injection that basically puts the pet into eternal sleep.
Imagine instead the vet was Zamazu and he insisted ripping the poor pet limb by limb, just to see it getting the heavenly punishment for the time it pooped onto his lawn.
I get the morals of him, but it's the way he wants to play with his food before putting mortals down that loses me.
I think the whole system that Zeno has made is it's self in some way flawed. You grant mortals the ability to think and feel but don't teach them how to use those abilities then throw them into environments where they have to use these abilities in ways you don't approve of to survive, in short it feels like mortals where set up to fail in the end.
Flawed reasoning. Just because Zeno is the ultimate divine being doesn't mean his system of morality is correct.
However, even if we went by your assumption, Zamasu was not following his place in Zeno's universe. We even see Zeno disapprove of what he's done and erase him in one of the timeliness. Since he was not following his place in the cosmic order, he was the villain by that moral framework as well
You have to try your best to forget that the DB staff is incapable of writing sympathetic antagonists to even consider the idea that Zamasu is misunderstood.
Black Goku, the original Zamasu, not only takes joy in killing Goku but he also kills Goten and Chichi out of sadism... And then he brags about this to the original Goku. How is this dude not evil? And the other Zamasu isn't any better, he fully enjoys the suffering he is causing. These guys are legit scum even if their motivation is somehow valid in the context of their realm.
Well hes not evil at all. He genuinly believes in his plan to kill mortals. He genuinely believes what hes doing is a good thing. It was explained that when zamasu makes tea. The tea is special in that the more sure and determined of your purpose the clearer and better it taste. You can see when he makes tea for gowasu its cloudy or foggy. Only when he believes in his plan and his uncertainty washes away does the tea turn completely clear. I cant remember the whole thing but thats the jist of it. Look it up if you want. So hes not a bad guy in his own eyes. He really does feel sorry for mortals. Gowasu got him fresh from his training. If gowasu took the time to properly guide him. Instead of drinking tea or performing his normal duties. He probably wouldve turned out much better and be a possible friend or acquaintance to goku.
Cope, he is evil
What made Zamasu so unique is that he was one of the few villains that actually won he basically killed everyone who wasn't apart of the main cast. His main goal was to destroy all mortals and due to his actions it basically got a whole timeline erased. No other villain has had that much impact on the cosmic scale. Plus another thing i like about him is that he's basically who we thought the Supreme Kai would be when he was first introduced in the Buu saga.
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Sympathetic villains are based on "humans (or mortals in this case)are a virus or evil of the planet and deserve the extinction" basing in pollutions or wars?
There are many like the most popular like Zamasu, Ultron ,Thanos, Agent Smith,Eren Yeager,Madara Uchiha Light Yagami,Suguru Geto,Darseid,Lust, Aizen, and also Aquaman's brother, the eco terrorists from Godzilla 2 and many other villains who don'they fail to mention how shit humans are and that they should become extinct.
at what point have we come to hate our species so much that even the messages that point the other way like Superman, Captain America and Wonder Woman, that there is good and hope in humanity, that no one deserves to die and that humanity can learn from its mistakes and improve, are messages, naive, boring, banal and even UNREALISTIC as messages.
Humanity is not a virus or a disease, it does not cause negative things for pleasure or whim, sometimes it is collateral to evolution, plastic and pollution do not exist for sport, trees are not cut down for fun, oil does not it is extracted because yes, wars are not waged for fun, and the alternatives are not always there.
However, I believe that Zamasu loses all the credibility of being right for the simple fact of wanting to exterminate mortals without worrying about the damage to the planets he wants to preserve so much, he was simply a God who got caught up in emotions and resentment because the civilizations observed by he doesn't meet his critical standards, I'm not saying it's bad that you like him, on the contrary he wants the character to fascinate you, but thinking that he is right or is the hero who acts for a greater good, is not very sensible.
I agree with most of the video except the last part. Dude took IMMENSE pleasure in exterminating every single person on those planets. If you saw someone in real life with that same reaction towards killing ants, you'd call them a psychopath.
Its pretty silly to say anyone has the same beliefs as Zeno. How can we know what Zeno believes? A God of such immense power is truly incomprehensible. Whether he erases a universe and makes a new one a different day its not the same as Zamasu destroying all mortals.
To use your example, if your ai computer started having wars and a rogue agent decided amonst himself to destroy everyone because thats what you as the creator would do, thats not exactly the same thing as you the creator purging the system.
You cant say a Deity of that level has any of the same morals that you can possible imagine.
Zamasu is on my top 5 in Dragon ball
He already had my Sympathy but not my entire cooperation… I would have simply spoken with him in the hopes he would have made a more enlightened decision (such as guiding mortal growth in his image)
zamasu started off with GoD-like reasons but then he just devolved into "KILL ALL MORTALS" and i know that all GoDs suck at their job and only destroy on whim rather then destroying the truly bad worlds but they still atleast destroy some bad worlds like beerus ordering frieza to destroy planet vegeta.(Even if it was because king vegeta didnt give him the comfiest pillow.)
Also on a side note toriyama should've kept it as frieza himself decided to destroy the sayians due to paranoia of the super sayian, because beerus ordering him to do so just lowers frieza's own reputation and character.
Zamasu is even more shit at destruction then the gods of destruction because of him wanting to kill both good and bad mortals low level mortal universes and high level mortal universes.
Atleast zeno properly did destruction and was gonna wipe out the actual low level mortal universes.(Even if there were some small amount of good mortals in those universes, like the Z fighters from U7)
And yes i know zeno also isnt perfect because he is a fucking child and destroyed 6 universes for just offending him but in the case of the Universal Survival Saga he did do it correctly.
For Zamasu to truly become a sympathetic villain, he needed more fleshing out because what we got was just not enough, and the reason why almost everyone I know doesn't like Zamasu, is because they really butchered the ark right by the end, where they didn't even follow suit with the use of the evil containment wave because of a "silly" mistake, and then none of the characters were given the satisfaction of taking down the main bad guy of the arc, as Goku had to resort to summoning a Zeno that he didn't even know at the time, and I still think its terrible how they ended the arc where this unknown Zeno just erased everything, and he was allowed to stay in the past coexisting with the other Zeno, but Future Trunks and Future Mai were not allowed to coexist with their present selves, and thats total BS because their decision to go to another timeline and stay there was more bad writing, since they had no attachments to that other timeline and staying in the present, with people who had actually tried to help them and knew them, would have actually make more sense and plus it would have meant another strong saiyan for the tournament of power.
It feels like you are reading my mind. Keep up the good work
Keep this in mind.
He looked at one planet with mortals, and decided mortals should perish. He didn't even bother to see other planets with mortals that don't have the same issues.
In fact, with the beast planet he was shown, when they travelled to see if they progressed any from when they last saw them, and nothing changed, that is vastly different than planet earth. Yes there were conflicts, but there was definitely a growth. Earthlings did use their intelligence to use, both good and evil. The beasts he saw, they didn't really have intelligence, not human level of intelligence. They just stopped after making a fire and shelter.
He says he's just, but this whole point shows he's unreasonable.
This is just untrue :c
Zamasu made very clear he has been watching mortals for a very long time and has seen countless civilizations rise and fall. Babari was not the only one, it was just the last straw.
I remember when dbs goku black arc first aired worldwide
He's a psychopath. Even Merged Zamasu, like all Dragon ball villians, believed the actions he did were of sin.
He just assumed he was right in the end.
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Zamasu isn't the murder... WE ARE MURDERS!!!
Forgetting The Sword of Hope. A variation on The Spirit Bomb which ONLY HARMS EVIL!!! And since we saw the tea thing, pretty much confirms he is PURE EVIL. His heart is pure, aight, this God technique meant to harm evil. Okay, means the dude is pure evil. Literally no debate or room for discussion.
It's not freaking Devilmans thing. The reason it worked on Kid Buu, pure chaos and pure evil but not Freeza or Vegeta dudes that have some good or moral systems to them. However little it may be in one's case.
You keep saying he had the same goal as Zeno, no he didn't. Zeno was doing a controlled eradication. And let's be real, these gods could easily find a way to spare the good hearted people but we see them make no effort to do so.
Good old Zami boy was out to kill every SINGLE mortal in existence across the multiverse. Dude even took out other Gods.
Just no. Had he been assigned the role of a God of destruction and tamed his desire to just go full mortal Kombat on everyone then maybe, hard maybe. Even by Beerus's own words he went too far and overstepped. It's nature and nurture. It's not just one, he clearly had it on him from the start to go that far.
Great video. That was a great arc. As for is he good or evil, I'd say it's a blend of the two, he's twisted. He has good intentions but they become warped and he becomes a hypocrite in an effort to accomplish his goal. Later on, he is certainly no longer "good" as it just goes past erasing mortals but also wanting to cause suffering, an example being how he tormented Goku with the deaths of his family being killed. That's another fine example of him being a hypocrite in wanting to end suffering but also causing it.
On another note, they also did an amazing job of his interactions with characters in the new Dragon Ball Sparking Zero game. There's a lot of them.
It's what Zamasu did to Goten and Chi Chi thats him unforgiveable!!!
Zamasu is still one of my favorites characters
Not sure about being sympathetic to Zamasu. Present Zamasu had reason to gain some sympathy from me, as Androids 17 and 18 DID change for the better in the present timeline, who’s to say present Zamasu couldn’t change either? The time rings do make things more complicated than just it being an alternate timeline, but with information we have now, who’s to say we should rule that out? But the Zamasu we see in the Goku Black arc doesn’t deserve any sympathy in my opinion. He let himself go mad with power, along with letting his God complex take him over. We also know that Zamasu is being intentionally vicious or cruel towards mortals, as when he’s telling Goku about murdering his whole family, he has a wicked smile on his face as Goku’s having an anger fueled breakdown in front of him. He enjoys seeing these “lower beings” suffer. I’ll bring up the same “rats in a home” example you made yourself. While a lot of people don’t usually feel sympathetic, most people don’t just ENJOY seeing them suffer or die. We enjoy the fact that we aren’t being pestered by rodents or bugs on our own property, especially since they’ll be stealing food or even harming you in some way by the use of biting or stingers or things of the like. But Zamasu? He’s enjoying watching the mortals squirm. Goku Black enjoys pestering them, seeing them get angrier as they fight, along with the fact that Goku Black wasn’t even innocent of the earlier example of Zamasu telling Goku about the fate of his family. And of course, this ISN’T counting them post merge. After the merge, they get worse, smiling as he talks about ridding the world of mortalkind, enjoying himself as he destroys the world around him… until Vegito makes him cry, but I digress. This is fairly similar to someone in this same series who is considered PURE evil, Frieza. Frieza, too, relishes in destroying people he sees as “under” him, and we know he laughs as planets get destroyed, going as far as to call them “lovely fireworks.” Zamasu’s not NEARLY as bad as Frieza… he’s kinda hard to top, to be honest, but the fact that his actions are even comparable to that is another big part as to why I can’t sympathize with him, whether or not his views as a God are different to that of a mortal. You could make the argument that he starts as good/neutral and slowly turns to madness, which can make me understand WHY people can sympathize with him. But I cannot, just seeing him as he is from when he made himself known as Goku Black, to the Merger, to Infinite Zamasu at the end of the arc. He let himself go too much for me to even think of him as he was when he was just a Kai in training.