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Watch the first part : Do you sincerely believe you've somehow "debunked" the fact that all art is political ? Even the case of "historical accuracy" is politically charged. Why ? Because history while a science is not pure fact but a jumbled mess of interpretation that expert try to make sense of. Not only that but historical accuracy about the general case does not prevent exceptions from existing and to have existed and to choose to just hand that totally valid objection away just goes to show that you're full of shit. To take your example of a female black smith not making sense somehow...France litterally has one of it's most prominent military figure being a woman general you know ? Jeanne d'arc ? So would putting a woman or a few of them as blacksmith be non historical ? Nope. Now I will move on from this overall "debate" about wokeness which is nothing but a surogate for SJW which is, always been and will always be a signifier for full of shit ignoramus. Bye.
On the topic of "diversity" in KCD, there are Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, etc. These aren't just "White People". They are their own people and it is diverse, just not for metropolitan west coast Americans.
The problem with that point isn’t the point itself., its the fact that left wing DIE supporters for all their preaching about diversity and inclusion are the most racist of all people, they don’t see people by culture or country, they only see people skin deep, in their eyes if you have lighter skin, your white, if you have darker skin, your black and that’s it, and they will keep that mentality no matter how much you try to get them to think differently.
This loll I'm French Canadian, we've been in war with most people in Canada 400 years ago. When we finally got a place in the parliament, we've been told to "Speak White" when we spoke French and when people started backing the french patriotes they hanged em on the public place loll. Yet, on the Internet, we're all the same white guy loll There is so much more in culture than the color of our skin lol
Excellent point. I studied the history of Central and Eastern Europe at university. I learned all about the Habsburgs and the holy Roman empire. There are a lot of different groups of people with different languages and culture.
@@Alberto-wu1mj yep. As Pole, we have several ethnic groups in our country including Tatars. But Americans will see us as white monolith. It's exhausting to say the least. Big part of Europe had no colonies in Africa. Funny enough it was Africans and Middle East who were trafficing white Slavic slaves for centuries. But no one even cares nowadays.
@@_Azurael_ I wouldn't go around calling games "woke" for having strong female leads or gay characters but I sure as hell won't accept a game that tells me narcissism and gaslighting is actually a good trait or tries to lecture me about something political as if I was a 5th grader.
@@DifficultyYT Well when certain patterns arise around particular character types, you start to condition people to reject it wholesale. It's now a safer bet to assume that something might be woke because it has a female lead (who most likely is now gay) then to assume she isn't.
@mrbigglezworth42 A better litmus test is to see if the character designs are ugly. Im not even some gooner who insists all women fit ny vidion of what is attractive in games or real kife, but people who make games loke this uglify the women. If shes a strong frmale lead but attractive give it more leeway than the same but shes Jordan Mun lol.
To be honest, i actually welcome this trend. I don't feel guilty for losing out not playing these for "modern audience" games. saves me a lot of money as I don't need to buy new games, new consoles, nor upgrade my pc. it encourages me to look for old games (and niche indie developed games) which are way more cheaper, already fixed and have years of active community contents. Helps me relieve my huge game backlog
@@archbishopofthecrusades9579 That would be more precise, but my original test is still viable, directly because it's more broad. It would catch the new Netlfix Lara Croft as well as Taash whereas yours wouldn't, hence why it might be better as a general test.
@@brotbrotsen1100 Europe always had ethnic minorities there were Arabs in Sicily, Moors in Iberia, Tartars in Eastern Europe in places like Poland and Ukraine. Most of these groups are swarthy looking.
These people forget most people typically play games to ESCAPE reality, not to learn and be lectured about real life politics, in other words be reminded of reality.
Few things irritate me more than people claiming there is a specific reason that some nebulous "we" play video games or claim there is something video games are for. It is completely dishonest and an incredibly narrow-minded view of the medium.
They don't forget, they just don't care what you want if it gets in the way of what they want. They don't think anyone should be able to escape reality, but instead he forced to improve it.
People in the comments still dont get it. I'll put it as simply as possible: Internal Politics = Good (in universe factions, commentary using inuniverse analogies etc.) Basically things make sense for this virtual world we are presented with. External Politics = Bad (pronouns, body type 1 & 2, current day sociopolitical issues, Orange man bad, Putler bad, downtown city based in Medieval Europe times having San Francisco demographics etc.) Basically all the things you open the news or xitter/reddit and hear/read about. I dont understand how its not easy to comprehend.
Which people and what comments (besides the one above mine unless I'm reading his comment wrong) don't get it? Most people here seem to be in agreement with this
No. Woke was a term created by the African American community and had nothing to do with the definition the Internet has now given it. It was literally taken and bastardized to mean something totally different.
@MrEffectfilms wow, either Decembero is deleting my comments or the censorship police showed up when something doesn't fit their narrative. Either way it's 🐂 💩. Words mean multiple things in MANY cases, they don't own it.
@MrEffectfilms wow bro WTF, I really hope this is google and not the Channel owner. Words have more than one meaning, in MANY cases. Seriously Google can FO. I hope they get hit with Section 230 since they are CLEARLY biased.
"All games are political" -Political activist using games as a political platform. "Please explain how political Tetris is. What about Pong? What about Pac-Man? Do I really need to keep going?" -Gamer
“Clearly, Mrs. Pac-Man is a super progressive game that tackles the problematic gender roles and heteronormativity.” - some woke dork trying to grasp at imaginary straws.
"All games are political" -- said by people who want it to be political. Games can have a political theme, that's about it. It doesn't need to propagandize to the players.
Deus Ex is a very political game, especially the 1st game. However, the politics serve as a spice to the greater story. Ultimately, Deus Ex is about the importance of God and similar higher beings in our society, since the alternative means that governments and corporations (both of whom are flawed in and of themselves) come to take their place, which fits the theme of the story. And that's the point. This only works because the game focuses on *internal* politics rather than *external* ones. While its politics are based on real world issues and events, the application of those events are so fantastical that we as players can easily remove ourselves from reality and enjoy the game in earnest.
It’s like asking a painter to paint a purple house but she ends up making it blue instead. You complain that it’s not the color you want but they retort with “ Well blue is used to make purple so I’m right.”
😭 Brother these people need to know difference between in game politics and real life politics Like skyrim politics between rebel and empire make sense, but veilguard is so out of touch with DA it literally feels like they want to 4th wall break and teach the player about their ideology politics Like it literally feel like you in a DEI class
Well said. I have always been on the liberal left side of things. But in the last few years I don't want to identify with this side of things. The damage that the left has done to themselves is sad in a way. All of this screeching, and aggression toward people who just want to play video games have created a whole new generation of Young minds who are automatically turned off by such discussions. There is a way to go about change within society. There is a way to bring about morals or whatever it is you want, but how the messages delivered is sometimes more important than the message itself. That there are so many incompetent people pushing on this is unfortunate for them. By kicking and screaming, they are pushing anyone who might have listened to them away.
Both the message and how it's delivered is trash in my opinion. Most people simply won't agree on the trans stuff, cause if they did we would be trully fucked. You can't run a society without reproduction and a proper family structure, it never worked.
Honestly, a fantasy style game with one character that gets modern guns, uses duct tape as a healing item, and it being played well for laughs would be awesome for a laugh. Not something I would trust modern writers to do, but it would be great from someone with skill.
@@jebediahrage8273 it’s funny you should mention that. Ciry visited futuristic worlds. She could have been an honorary Witcher, using her own powers instead of mutations. And she could have knowledge of basic and generic painkillers and antibiotics from those futuristic worlds, to use for survivability, instead of potions. But no, they made her into a bootleg version of Getalt, because these woke people are creatively bankrupt. They can’t create anything of quality, even when it’s given to them on a silver platter. All they can do is badly copy great works and twist them with their ideology. Hence why they need to corrupt already existing IPs and why their few original creations flop.
Your videos are really great man. Please don't stop. I've been sharing this with all of my friends in the game industry. We can win this battle for common sense if we hammer down now.
I never understood why anyone has to see themselves in any game, I'm playing a story with a character who goes on a journey, this game is not featuring me as the character and it shouldn't ans really doesn't need to as everyone can still relate to situations, morality amd dynamics.
I agree, I can't stand all this crying over ''girlboss protagonists'' , '' omg I can't play this bald female character she must be a lesbian'', or over the ''uglification of women'' like female characters can't be designed in any other way than cookie cutter model.
My favorite all art is political types is those who get shown a random simple image, especially the "cute girl eating cheese burger" and they cant just take the L and say "well is just an image" they need to go on this contrived line of thoughts to justify why its political, they will probly be shown a 5 years old drawing of a cat and try to justify instead of just acepting is a kids drawing...
That's exactly what happened to McDonalds Japan when they had that little video of a happy family eating Mickey D's food. To a normal person, it was just a nice little wholesome video of a family enjoying a meal together. To twitter land whales? Not so much.
The difference between Metel Gear, BioShock and the others as opposed to modern games is subtlety. These games are very political. However it's left up to the player to decide what it all means. Its the first rule of writing any type of media. Show don't tell.
Metal Gear Solid 1 literally comes out in the end with "You must not allow yourself to be chained to fate, to be ruled by you genes. Humans can choose the type of life they want to live" That's not subtly. I love the game but it wasn't subtle.
@@MrEffectfilms Yeah, maybe not exactly that but they have no problem lecturing you. Also if you are not in complete agreement with them you are some kind of ist or some kind of phobic
It's the difference between a game asking questions about certain concepts, and you coming up with the answers yourself. And the game TELLING you what to believe. These games are literal propaganda.
Why does it have to be All or None? Some pieces of art have political themes and all art *can* be interpreted through a political lens, but that doesn't mean that all art is inherently political and quite frankly I am fed up of being gaslit by leftists on that issue because they lack the intellectual honesty to just admit that their work sucks.
Games can have political themes which is fine but we don't need a political statement or ideology in entertainment telling you how to think, a game can make you think with it's narrative but that is different.
You can do political statements but it's important for you to convey it properly. The reader needs to he pleased which you can not care about but you can't be upset when it's not taken well.
Deux Ex Human Revolution for example. That game shows you all the good and the bad points about the whole transhumanism debate but it never insults the player for their choices made in the game during certain interactions.
The first time I saw this phrase it was from BioWare's John Epler. His defenders went on to justify the statement by referencing things like the Landsmeet in Dragon Age: Origins. But in-game political battles or ideologies aren't the same as real-world political talking points being injected where they don't belong. The inclusion of player choice in these in-game political issues also negates any criticisms of political issues being present or ideologies being pushed on the audience, since the game provides good points for all sides of the political discussion and the player is free to justify his or her position however he or she wants.
@@BelieveIt1051 I hate how people forget that rpg with actual choices simply cannot take a political side because you can play the most abhorrent character but still save the world and make everyone like you, nullyfying any messaging the rpg tries to give you
An artist with integrity creates art that is not political, but it's often interpreted by political people, which is an awful fact of life. So since all people are political, all art is interpreted as such, but art itself is not. Politics in games can be done well if they explore polarizing themes form all angles, which would require actual thought and effort put into it. This rarely happens.
Dustborn was political and it was a mask off display of how insane the left has become. It’s literally become fueled by hatred, and a hatred that isn’t even genuine it’s been instilled and rewarded in people purposely in order to destroy western civilization . I’ve never met a racist white person who had 1/100th of the true hatred that these people have for basically conservatives, traditional Christian values and white people generally. The progressives of the 60’s wrote this all down in clear language. They wanted to co opt the civil rights movement, feminism and homosexuals in order to stoke their grievances and resentment. The whole plan is to destroy so utopia can come in its place, but that is so childish bc they never get close to that. They get to the stage where there is mass starvation and nothing functions anymore
Man, these people really misinterpret the term, "everything is political." it just means that you can't remove the political and cultural influences of the times something was created in from it. Not that everything has to have an overt political message.
Except you absolutely can't remove the political and cultural influences of the time that an art was created. Right now I could go draw a picture of a guy just sitting in a tree what cultural and political influence is does that picture represent. The answer is quite literally none because I did not intend it to represent any cultural or political values. I simply wanted to draw a guy sitting in a tree what you can read into a piece of art does not define the art. The only thing that matters with art is the author's intent and whether or not they succeeded at it. Personal interpretation does not matter when it comes to art
@@ThisisKyle I'd have to disagree with you somewhat on that point. Once any creative work enters the public domain, artist intent diminishes significantly. Books, films, paintings, etc. are all read within a temporal/cultural context to be understood, and in many ways must be to be understood across cultures (if it's fortunate enough to be appreciated widely) and over time. Personally, I also believe art is a form of communication; meaning it needs the input of the audience to breathe life into the conversation. Anyone making anything, even the stick figure you reference, do it with the influence of the times they live in and experiences they have. What they want to communicate is a outcome of that. As popular as the idea of the singular artist's voice is, nothing exists within a vacuum creatively.
@@ThisisKyle uhh, you're correct but not right. What the original is supposed to mean is that if you never saw a tree you would never draw it, or that you didn't add apples because you never saw an apple in your life. (Kinda bad example but I hope you get me) The quote is moreso about understanding individuals life circumstances when viewing the work for better understanding, it's especially important when you research overseas content or old stuff.
*_"aLL gAmEs aRe PoLiTiCaL!!"_* Art by its very nature is NEVER political. Art can only be made political if the artist wishes to make it so, or if some delusional fool desperately tries hard to insert it where there is none. Where, pray tell, is the politics in DaVinci's Mona Lisa, or Julie Bell's Boris Bosforus, or any of Ohrai Noriyoshi's Godzilla posters? I triple dog dare you to tell me where are the politics in those art illustrations.
The Mona Lisa shows natural beauty, which makes tranny's feel bad or something. I actually agree, art is not inherently political. But anything can be MADE political. Which is what these people do. Someone HAS to try and contradict, for whatever reason.
My response to "All games are political" is, ah yes I love the Trump ads in Super Mario Galaxy. I loved the scene in Kirbys Adventure when Kirby said "Lets go invade Ukraine." No but seriously, you once again described and dismantled this argument pretty well. EDIT: So to clarify, this is a joke, it is an exaggeration. Looks like I was not as good at being funny as I thought.
@@MoreImbaThanYou That is why it is over the top, it was a joke. Though truth can be taken out of this joke. Since there is no political message in those games, the argument that "EVERY game is political" is still wrong since no politics have been mentioned in Kirby or Mario games. My point being, not every game is political thus the literal argument that every game is political, is wrong, only some games feature politics.
@@sylvester3836 Isn't Marios story pretty much "Evil enemy King wants to take over by force marriage of princess peach"? I know, I am being nitpicky here, but unless something has no story at all, there will always be something resembling "politics" in it. And therein lies the crux with the argument in itself: What do we consider "politics" in regards to the video title?
@MoreImbaThanYou I must admit I do not see the politics in this story. What you put in quotation is basically the summary of the story and not the politics. Is it because Bowser is a monarch and thus by his existence the story has monarchist politics? Is it because peach is a woman and because she gets kidnapped she is weak? And to your last point, what can be considered politics per the video, when the politics are not integrated into the story or narrative and instead are outside influences. By my Super Mario analogy, since the story is not the foreground of the game and instead the gameplay takes center stage, so while yea there are politics? Perhaps? The story and thus the politics do not take center stage and are not relevant to the game as a whole. If I were to take this game and put in a slideshow with Bowser who talks about him being a christian and why, it sours the entire experience because this does not fit into the gameplay or the tiny story there is. If I were to make one more analogy: Lets say I make a game set in a fantasy world where everyone is a wizard, and I put in story path about you becoming a christian, even though its inclusion makes absolutly ZERO sense, that would sour the experience as well, since A. I am taking you out of this magical world by bringing in charged reallife topics and B. it would not make sense for your character to even know christianity exists, since they are in another world. Plus excuse my poor english and grammar, it is my second language.
The today's extent of disillusionment & defamation towards the traditional player's common sense is simply mindblowing 🤡👌 Sometimes i wonder if there exists an official psychiatric diagnosis for these complete lunatics? I mean, they need help, like immediately, right? But then again, i'm quite sure that they already drifted beyond this point.
It's an easy distinction - modern politics does not belong in entertainment, unless that entertainment product is about the moden time period. The overall timeless political topics do belong in the entertainment when integrated into the story well.
The biggest difference between art and propaganda, as far as I can tell, is that art requires the interpretation of the audience to be complete while propaganda rejects interpretation and participation. There is only the message and the only choice the audience has is to accept the message as truth or reject it. You engage with art. You receive propaganda. The purpose of, say Jedi Survivor, is to be an engaging game with exciting combat and interesting platforming puzzles, complete with a compelling Star Wars narrative, and it contains ideological themes about strength of diversity and self improvement and perseverance in the face of an oppressive regime. But the purpose of a game like, say Dustborn, is to be an ideological message, and it contains gameplay mechanics as well. The former works because it's a compelling work of art and it's ideological messaging comes through the interpretation of the player as they experience it. The latter doesn't work because the player doesn't experience it and interpret a message in the art, it's not meant to be interpreted and is therefore not art but propaganda. With Jedi Survivor, even if you don't agree with the ideologies it presents to you for some reason, you can still engage with the game and enjoy it. With Dustborn, if you reject the message then there is nothing left for you to engage with because the game isn't meant to be engaged with, just absorbed.
Not necessarily interpretation. Good pieces of art with well integrated political messages don't have much room of interpretation, but because they express themselves clearly and eloquently. If absolutely everything is up to interpretation regardless of intent, narrative skill or context, we enter post-truth territory. A better way to say it, I guess, is that good political art allows the recipient to disagree with the message for the sake of dialogue. Propaganda, on the other hand, doesn't allow disagreement, only acceptance.
@XanderVJ I didn't say interpretation was the only aspect of art. But it is required for the art to be complete. The author's own interpretation may be strong and he may have enough skill to do a lot of the interpretive heavy lifting for the viewer, leading them to his intended message. But they still have to interact with the art to discover that message. For propaganda, there is only the message. You have to literally interpret it for the message to enter your mind, but it is meant to require the minimum participation of the viewer because the viewer doesn't matter, only the message matters.
fantastic video as always . I especially agree with the part in 16:05 , even if you are neutral with your opinion on DEI you will get attacked . It is insane we reached this point and it is especially saddening its happened to beloved studios like CDPR or Bioware (also if you guys love witcher 3, the ex devs from witcher 3 made a new studio called Rebel Wolves , they are making a vampire rpg which looks awesome) . Im hoping things change because we are in for a crash if more layoffs or game companies faulter.
It's always the vocal minority trying to act like everything is toxic. Having a Diverse (as in personality) set of characters is good, having a bland cast of characters whose only differences are their designs is not good. People hate "DEI" Companies like SBI not because they put black or gay characters in games (the people who do hate them for that reason are just funny.) But because they try to push "Diversity" and try to be as inoffensive as possible, only to end up pushing the stereotypes of the people they claim not to offend ironically.
There's a difference between political themes that fit the setting vs political themes that *_don't_* fit the setting.. Skyrim's politics are exclusively in-universe, whether it's the war between the Imperials and Stormcloaks, or siding with or against a particular faction like the Dark Brotherhood or the Foresworn; it feels natural because everything is exclusively within the world of The Elder Scrolls, nothing from the modern real world exists or is referenced and that's why nobody complains that it has political themes - it also gives players the ability to *_choose_* their outcomes more freely depending on how they prefer to resolve their missions. Meanwhile Dragon Age Veilguard includes a *_modern day real world_* political issue in a fictional high fantasy setting where it sticks out like a sore thumb and adds absolutely nothing to the world besides satisfying a tiny minority of people for likes on social media - in a high fantasy world where sorcery can let someone completely alter their appearance to look however they want, why do top surgery scars exist, or why should time be spent explaining what non-binary is, using a modern day technological term where no such things exist? And unlike prior Dragon Age titles where players can act polite, brash or antagonistic to NPCs, Veilguard only lets players respond with different flavours of niceness and nothing else whilst railroading them down a particular story route and locking the true good ending behind everyone in their party completing one character's side quest, taking away freedom that had previously been a large feature in the series in order to make a lecture on gender identity practically mandatory. It's not that we don't want political themes in *_any_* escapism, we just want them to feel *_natural_* to the settings, and a large number of modern day real world politics do not fit into a large number of fictional settings, be they fantasy, sci-fi or otherwise.
That was a very solid "deep southern" impersonation. Absolutely hilarious...also possibly true. If they had pickup trucks those pyramids would have been done in no time!
Funny that they mention Kojimas games as having politics in it as if fictional cold war era politics are the same as defending gender identity and body positivity bs...
Tosh : So, I am not right handed Mom : Ok, in our world it is called "left handed", perhaps you're one of those? Tosh : Why don't you just accept me as who I am!!!!!!! Mom : WTF are you on about?!
Currently replaying Witcher 3. Yeah, no way we're getting anything close to that anytime soon. At least not from Western AAA studios. Also, by inserting present-day, ideologically-driven BS into games, they often remove any other type of politics (bc those could be seen as offensive). Case in point: Veilguard. The only politics in that "game" is The Message. No political intrigue in Minrathous. The plight of city elves is nowhere to be seen. It's completely devoid of any political conflict that made the prior games more interesting.
A lot of Witcher players are waiting for The Witcher 4. They want to give a try normally. I searched about women surviving the Witcher trial, only few survived. I'm waiting for a good review of Ciri.
Sadly when it comes to Wukung(since you did mention it) it is rather simple Asian people are now considered white adjacent meaning that the Chinese people in the game are considered to more or less being white. What is even sadder is that these people do no understand even while the Han Chinese make up the majority of people in China that it has many different peoples within it´s borders with their own history and traditions as well. This is why these fanatics will never be happy they are going to add more and more people until there is no one left to add to people who do not count as being diverse.
There seems to be even more hatred for them. It's one of the borgs constituent parts rebeling against it. You're not having the right minority opinion you're allowed to have.
A friend getting me to read materials on Romance of the Three Kingdoms made me realize there are different regional ethnics in historical china alone, let alone Asia as a continent.
Some people want an authentic WWII game, that's why The Defiant is in development. Guess that Chinese game industry is reaching the levels of any Western game company.
The real probelm are Americans that think that European video games made by Europeans and Asian video games made by Asians are obliged to mirror in any way shape or form the issues of and the ethnic and social composition of - of all countries and regions - north American societies. They dont see that this whole history of an extremely ethincally mixed society devided by racism and social oppression based on skin color on the one hand and this obsession with sexual deviancy on the other hand are American phenomena. The rest of the world is in no way, shape or form obliged to take anything of that into consideration when creating works of art and fiction and entertainment in general.
Take for example battlestar galactica... it is heavily political.and religious. But it doesn't preach you what to think, Instead it uses it as a canvas for the story to develop. This is how politics and religion was used way back when in entertainment. Nowadays, it is being forcefed in a preachy way
Great video dude, so many great points made, and the structuring of it all was splendid. Music, simple transitions, and plenty of logic to boot. Great job with this one homie. 🙏🔥🖤 And I see you with the list of games used in the background in the description, thanks for that. You're a real one. 💪
@TheDezembro Ofcourse, and I also finished watching Part 2 after finishing this one and yet again. Great job on that one my dude. 🙏🔥 as you can tell from my channel, I love an episodic series for sure, looking forward to anything like this in the future. And just got done with my moving this past week. So just getting settled in new place and working out some kinks and will be getting back to some new videos here in the near future. Got some pretty big and dope projects planned. Keep up the good work homie. 🙏🔥🖤
Some of the biggest franchises in gaming have no politics. Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda all have no overt or subtle political themes. Not to mention all the sports games like Fifa or generic racing games like Forza.
Here's my two piece. If you can't separate fiction from real life then you're not mature enough to do so. If you're a writer and you can't not let real life politics and beliefs effect what you're writing, then you're simply not skilled enough at writing to do so.
The "everything is political" in works is a form of rhetorical fallacy that allows very small groups of individuals to trivialize radical discourses and to knock out any opposition because the argument is so stupid. In doing so, they try to normalize their ideology by pretending that works that claim nothing defend a form of status quo, that all works are the product of a political stance (by cherry-picking carefully, and ignoring all works that address other subjects, such as friendship, love or whatever). We had the same problem in small role-playing communities in France, where the "everything is political" allowed these activists to insert their radical ideas into role-playing tables or books, and to oust any opinion contesting this postulate. It is a form of gaslighting where you are presented with reality in a distorted way to impose another distortion (woke ideology) that would ultimately not appear so distorted in the general framework. These people have sacrificed works, universes, communities of enthusiasts on the altar of their personal obsessions that they have tried to pass off as political concepts.
Stupid woke western game: Soooo I'm non binary. Based chad eastern super diverse game: I am an American cowboy. But I am also a Japanese samurai.(Showa American Story)
I've been saying this for years, only to get chastised by these political weirdos. I'm a Buddhist. Im all about peace, love, and acceptance. However, in this modern age, this is now being forced, and i don't like it. These activists force a fake narrative down one's throat, and at the end of the day, they just want conformity. I'm currently playing Banishers, which has been pretty good so far. The women are a bit degrading towards Red, especially Artea. But I'll just chalk it up to Artea being angry about her situation. I don't exactly exactly feel like some kind of message is being pushed onto me, or some political messaging is being forced.
I agree with these points. Most of mainstream media ignores these facts. What’s sad is the entire conversation is killed before anything productive can be made. The only time we can show it’s not working is due to sales. What a time to be alive.
When will they understand that even girls don't want to play ugly girl characters lmfao I have my own biases, but when it comes to playing my fav games, I don't care about inclusion existing or not, if the game itself is good to play.
My guess is the reason why Sweet Baby Inc took aim at Black Myth Wukong is because they were hoping to make them an example in the chinese market. SBI NEEDS good publicity in any form whether its a good game or Black Myth Wukong failing and them saying "LOOK! They failed cuz they ignored our help!" So when The Devs ignored SBI's advertisement to DEI there game the devs said "No, why would we???" I thought the whole point of a DEI department was to make sure there wasn't anything too offensive in media but apparently now the DEI departments are "We give you a checklist or we give you bad publicity, make your choice!"
Given their president tells HRs of these companies to hold them at an ideological gun point... which then put's their livelihood in jeopardy. It's forced compliance and malicious intent.
One thing is to add political themes in a game to enrich the game's narrative and worldbuilding. Another thing is to inject ideological proselytism, shoving the dev's worldviews down on the gamer's throat if not offending them for having the "wrong think". Oh yeah, since Orange man is back, get ready for another swarm of "game journalists" giving a game bad scores because the game isn't "political enough" (adding a "orange man is bad" statement on it).
I think the whole "politics has always been in video games" comes from the whole "politics influences art" argument. Thats always been debated heavily in art circles if art is dictated by the poltics of the times. This gets extended to tv, music and now video games. The thing any medium can be used for politics, but all mediums are not inheriently political. This is where anyone who pushes the "x has always been political" argumen never passes the smell test. The person creating the art has to choose if its going to have a theme; the Woman in the Garden in Monet is very different in composition to Lady Liberty Leading the Way by Eugène Delacroix. Its at this point that the argument falls flat, it relies on subjecivity of the person. So if the viewer sees everything as political, even to how they view themselves. No matter how much they are faced with the reality that not everything in life revolves around politics....its akin to arguing with a brick wall.
I'm 100% sure that NOT all games are political because anyone can create a game with NO intention of politicizing it. ANYONE can POLITICIZE anything, though. I can do a painting of an actual ROCK, loudly declare that it is just a painting of a rock--there is no intent of ANY interpretation other than it is, in fact, just a painting of A ROCK, and somehow, someone would still interpret it as ANYTHING but a mere rock.
Thank you! I'm a brown guy and I have literally NEVER been concerned about latino main characters in games. I never even considered it until a bunch of white women and minority women who are deliberately trying to sell a solution to a nonexistent problem as far as I'm concerned, would not stop complaining about it. And the majority of the time, it's by people who DON'T EVEN GAME! I'm looking forward to this Kingdom Come II and will not care that I get to spend time in old historical Bohemia with the whites haha
First, create problem. Too many wh- I mean, a lack of diversity. Yeah. Second, sell the solution. Third, profit?? That rant to about “lovingly attacking her backside” had me dying😂 Hope everyone enjoys their day and plays some fun games
Based vid. You inadvertant admit all games are political sort of, but the point is that there's a huge difference between games that do politics well and ones that don't. "All games are political" is a stupid statement I wish people would stop saying because it heavily depends on what you think politics is. Someone personal identity should not be political, yet it is. Whoever you're attracted to shouldn't be political, yet it is. But yeah, based.
As an artist, no, not all games are political, and art isn't just politics. That's a sub genre of art. There are thousands of examples as well. I don't think something like Nintedogs talks about todays politicals.
The real problem is actual developers not the consulting. You can lose the consulting and you will still have the same issues. These people have a way of making things with an overly progressive ideology. So much is problematic with these people and they can't replace what they strip out with anything with substance. Anything based on concrete tested practices. Just things based on how it makes THEM feel. The tripe A industry needs to collapse.
All games are political? No, not all of them. There are some games that have political themes and there are gamers that like them. What gamers truly hate are propaganda.
5:45 I feel like we have to explain to a lot of people like they're five when someone tries to argue that this DEI and political stuff in gaming isn't a problem when it is...
This is why I only play games from eastern studios, they all frickin slap. And they have attractive characters, cool designs, great story and gameplay. Especially JRPGs!!! Seems like a lot of western games released in the last 5 years have been really bad and super gay and they force feed politics to the player.
All games are political? .... Tetris, Solitaire, Pong, Snake ... suuure 😂 Appearently i should go back to school to understand in what sense those are politocal.
Clearly you do not understand the extremely delicate politics of Tetris, an incredibly sophisticated presentation of how society is bigoted against those f*cking squiggly pieces that don't fit into anywhere. The point of Tetris is to show us how we must rebel against the system and force it to cater to our squiggly selves. 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
Bruh. Tetris is literally a testament to the superiority of Communism. A symbol of Utilitarianism and efficiency, Equality, and the collapse of the Bourgeois class.
@@Cheff-oc4wu Why not, I mean, their argument is that ALL games are political 🤔 this Atari stuff just goes to show how ridiculous the statement is. The rest is already covered in the video anyway.
@@Cheff-oc4wu simple, i personally don't play the most recent games and since i was having the video open on phone as side-entertainment at work i couldn't invest too much effort in thinking deeper about my comment, i'm from the age when those were common ^^'
Bioshock 1 was very political and thought provoking. It`s still one of the best games in my opinion. Just the basic idea of how delusional and downright abyssal a parallel society without the bounds of morality would devolve in was such a good concept. Every player from every political real life standpoint could infer and extrapolate points from the game that either confirmed their political standing or challenged their beliefs in a meaningful way. That`s how it SHOULD be handled. Not Grandstanding and preaching "ONLY OUR WAY IS THE CORRECT WAY".
What frustrates me more is that these people have such a shallow view of what makes something political. These are people who think Final Fantasy 7 is about capitalism because one of the villains is a fictional corporation with its own in universe business practices and political actions. These are people who interpret all media no matter how old it is to a post 2016 view on the orange man. These are people who project so hard when they say we just want our politics in media like they won’t have a seething meltdown over pro America imagery like Kavernacle did with Black Ops Cold War.
I hate the stance all art is political. It's the same stance people used to try to justify showing adult material to kids. "all things are inherently adult" like... No? They arent
This argument works with superhero comics, which yes, were created with political motives, but they don't even try to use it with video games, which were created exclusively for entertainment.
People who say "all games are political" really think something like a Life is Strange or a Dustborn is on the same level as Metal Gear or Deus Ex. The best Life is Strange can't even touch Survive or Snake's Revenge for NES let alone Sons of Liberty.
So, one note I do disagree with you on, but I think you may agree with my addendum. Games don’t need to only have internal politics to be doing politics well, as many great games brought up for “games are political” discussion draw heavily from external real world politics or other outside of game events. Metal gear rising probably would have a very different story if it hadn’t been for the endless wars in the Middle East lining the pockets of Raytheon and Lockheed executives. It’s not that politics needs to stay internal, it’s that the game can’t take a contentious real world subject and say “this is the objectively correct viewpoint to have on it, and shame upon those who don’t have this viewpoint, I will not even allow you to consider this other viewpoint.” You could easily walk away from MG:R thinking Armstrong was right, that he had good ideas, but had misguided execution, or that he’s completely wrong.
25:57 it's similar to the issue of Lolicons in the anime community rn. people who are calling lolicons and individuals who like petite women pedos are usually the same individuals with terabytes upon terabytes of CP(this is what happened to Chibi Reviews when he made a comment about a scene in dandadan that resulted in his brothers grave being doxxed) the problem is the hypocrisy that is at play and these individuals are aware of it but they won't own up to it
Most games that dont pick a political side can be enjoyed by everyone and probably focus more on what would bring people together with a good game over dividing people and "owning the chuds" which seems to be the focus now plus the modern day politics really dates things. Back in the day theyd have a story and it would be about "misfits" anyone who doesnt fit in and so many people can relate to that but if that same thing gets remade today its no longer misfits and is usually changed into some hyper specific modern day group that the vast majority of people do not relate with. In their attempts to be so inclusive theyve just made everything way more exclusive but we all knew that and honestly it was probably the plan from the start they just didint expect everything to flop
I one time left a comment on a Star Wars video criticizing the acolyte saying I don’t feel like sol was in the wrong when he killed that witch. It was kinda in self defense and I mean even though she said she was gonna let them go why would you start levitating and turn into a giant smoke monster or something how is that not a sign that you want to fight. I also explained how I feel like he was protecting that child that she was literally VAPORIZING and some random person replied to me and yelled at me calling me racist, authoritarian and then ended there essay by saying I should never be in a position of power and my response was just “what? Im literally debating dumb writing in Star Wars when did I say I was a politician? Like do you really expect some random dude with a vault boy pfp to be in the White House 🤦♂️”
13:23 Not true for Metal Gear. Those games take place in our world but with a few alterations and use our real world history and politics to tell it's stories, so much so that MGS2 is seen as an eerily prophetic game now with how much it was able to predict our real life future. They didn't lecture us but they did warn us, and we didn't listen.
Yea it sucks that people don't understand this, politics created in universe based on the game is fine. Nobody has an issue in that in the elder scrolls games have racism towards certain races (mirroring the real world) It would be a problem if lets say they equate certain races to other races in the real world. (Example: saying all Khajiits are Asians or something of that sort) Now, you enter the realm of injecting modern politics into your (fantasy) media and this is what a majority of people don't want. Because games are for escapism/entertainment. And nothing pulls you out of a story more than others moral grandstanding or preaching to you on how your should think or act.
9:35 just for context: millmaid is not "simply". Owning a mill is very prestigious. In medieval economy it's not something owned by everyone. Everyone may own a hand quern for example, something akin to a blender in our time: to mill a handful of grain to make a breakfast. A mill is something that is one per village, sometimes one per several villages.
You're absolutely right that there is a right way to include contemporary political discourse into games. Megami Tensei (the original) and the better known remake Shin Megami Tensei, was, in many ways, an discussion of a weakened Japan caught between great powers in the Cold War, with the American occupation and the Communist bloc it struggled for influence against allegorically represented by the forces of Order and Chaos respectively. Shin Megami Tensei IV (Not Apocalypse) used a similar allegory to reflect the debate over remilitarisation of Japan, with subservience to the Americans reflected by the forces of Law, and a return to the old ways represented by Chaos. It is noteworthy that both end in massive destruction, and that the neutral path which is neither is very difficult to achieve.
I don't need to see myself as a character or even relate to a character. I'm playing a game to "hear" the story of someone else. Like if I played Hannah Montana I wouldn't have a need to relate to her.
"All games are political" people would lose it if it was pro republican or heck even a centrist position. It's a universal tactic to be authoritarian when you're winning but all pro freedom and expression when they're not. Leftism though seems uniquely primed for that behavior.
Just because all games are political doesn't mean we want them hammered into our brain, constantly let these woke idiots that insist on pumping into our games this garbage
The saying is all Art is political. A game can not be a work of art. Sometimes a game is just a game. If it has a story those are usually about something.
This is actually interesting perspective. Game can be entertainment not art. Same as movies, cartoons etc. So this way the debate becomes all art is political but not all entertainment. And sometimes politics and entertainment don’t mix well.
@@CHN-yh3uvthis is also true. Some people just can’t admit that sometimes digging too deep for some “meaning” in every piece of fiction is not intellectual but idiotic endeavour.
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You have been on a roll with these great videos with detailed analysis.
You know - the scene between henry's father and mother was actually very romantic and playful. All the more it hurts to lose them.
Neat video!
Watch the first part :
Do you sincerely believe you've somehow "debunked" the fact that all art is political ?
Even the case of "historical accuracy" is politically charged. Why ? Because history while a science is not pure fact but a jumbled mess of interpretation that expert try to make sense of.
Not only that but historical accuracy about the general case does not prevent exceptions from existing and to have existed and to choose to just hand that totally valid objection away just goes to show that you're full of shit.
To take your example of a female black smith not making sense somehow...France litterally has one of it's most prominent military figure being a woman general you know ? Jeanne d'arc ? So would putting a woman or a few of them as blacksmith be non historical ? Nope.
Now I will move on from this overall "debate" about wokeness which is nothing but a surogate for SJW which is, always been and will always be a signifier for full of shit ignoramus.
Bye.
On the topic of "diversity" in KCD, there are Germans, Czechs, Hungarians, etc.
These aren't just "White People". They are their own people and it is diverse, just not for metropolitan west coast Americans.
The problem with that point isn’t the point itself., its the fact that left wing DIE supporters for all their preaching about diversity and inclusion are the most racist of all people, they don’t see people by culture or country, they only see people skin deep, in their eyes if you have lighter skin, your white, if you have darker skin, your black and that’s it, and they will keep that mentality no matter how much you try to get them to think differently.
This is such a cool point:
For example every black man in video games is either gay or has the girly killmonger haircut as if we aren't diverse.
This loll
I'm French Canadian, we've been in war with most people in Canada 400 years ago. When we finally got a place in the parliament, we've been told to "Speak White" when we spoke French and when people started backing the french patriotes they hanged em on the public place loll.
Yet, on the Internet, we're all the same white guy loll
There is so much more in culture than the color of our skin lol
Excellent point. I studied the history of Central and Eastern Europe at university. I learned all about the Habsburgs and the holy Roman empire. There are a lot of different groups of people with different languages and culture.
@@Alberto-wu1mj yep. As Pole, we have several ethnic groups in our country including Tatars. But Americans will see us as white monolith. It's exhausting to say the least. Big part of Europe had no colonies in Africa. Funny enough it was Africans and Middle East who were trafficing white Slavic slaves for centuries. But no one even cares nowadays.
Political themes vs political lectures / propaganda.
One enhances the story.
While the other is a corruption of the art.
@@_Azurael_ I wouldn't go around calling games "woke" for having strong female leads or gay characters but I sure as hell won't accept a game that tells me narcissism and gaslighting is actually a good trait or tries to lecture me about something political as if I was a 5th grader.
@@DifficultyYT Well when certain patterns arise around particular character types, you start to condition people to reject it wholesale. It's now a safer bet to assume that something might be woke because it has a female lead (who most likely is now gay) then to assume she isn't.
@mrbigglezworth42 A better litmus test is to see if the character designs are ugly. Im not even some gooner who insists all women fit ny vidion of what is attractive in games or real kife, but people who make games loke this uglify the women. If shes a strong frmale lead but attractive give it more leeway than the same but shes Jordan Mun lol.
To be honest, i actually welcome this trend.
I don't feel guilty for losing out not playing these for "modern audience" games.
saves me a lot of money as I don't need to buy new games, new consoles, nor upgrade my pc.
it encourages me to look for old games (and niche indie developed games) which are way more cheaper, already fixed and have years of active community contents.
Helps me relieve my huge game backlog
@@archbishopofthecrusades9579 That would be more precise, but my original test is still viable, directly because it's more broad. It would catch the new Netlfix Lara Croft as well as Taash whereas yours wouldn't, hence why it might be better as a general test.
Woke Americans discovering that medieval Europe didn't have the ethnic diversity of modern los Angeles: 🤯
Shocking, isn’t it?
What do you mean? Europe's always been ethnically diverse.
@Elven_NephewI mean Sicily is a good example of where Arabs existed alongside Normans and Greeks.
True, just not when it comes to skin color.@Elven_Nephew
@@brotbrotsen1100 Europe always had ethnic minorities there were Arabs in Sicily, Moors in Iberia, Tartars in Eastern Europe in places like Poland and Ukraine. Most of these groups are swarthy looking.
These people forget most people typically play games to ESCAPE reality, not to learn and be lectured about real life politics, in other words be reminded of reality.
But we also want something anchored to basic human struggles. Something we can relate to. Something that speaks to us on some level.
@MoreImbaThanYou YES! So long as it FITS well with the game.
Few things irritate me more than people claiming there is a specific reason that some nebulous "we" play video games or claim there is something video games are for. It is completely dishonest and an incredibly narrow-minded view of the medium.
@@carlschrappen9712maybe I should change my comment a bit hm?
They don't forget, they just don't care what you want if it gets in the way of what they want. They don't think anyone should be able to escape reality, but instead he forced to improve it.
People in the comments still dont get it. I'll put it as simply as possible:
Internal Politics = Good (in universe factions, commentary using inuniverse analogies etc.) Basically things make sense for this virtual world we are presented with.
External Politics = Bad (pronouns, body type 1 & 2, current day sociopolitical issues, Orange man bad, Putler bad, downtown city based in Medieval Europe times having San Francisco demographics etc.) Basically all the things you open the news or xitter/reddit and hear/read about.
I dont understand how its not easy to comprehend.
Nah we get it, it’s just that this talking point is so incredibly stupid it’s hard not to correct it
Which people and what comments (besides the one above mine unless I'm reading his comment wrong) don't get it? Most people here seem to be in agreement with this
@jatniel771 so you think leftwing politics should be injected in people's hobbies, whether they want it or not?
@@Cheff-oc4wu which leftwing politics are being "injected"
@@jatniel771 Its not
He is completely right
Cope more
EXACTLY, we don't dislike politics in gaming, we can't stand ideological propaganda. That's it, and that's what "woke" is.
No. Woke was a term created by the African American community and had nothing to do with the definition the Internet has now given it. It was literally taken and bastardized to mean something totally different.
@MrEffectfilms words can have different meanings, Black people don't own it, it means what it means now. Go cry about it.
@MrEffectfilms words have different meanings, Bl*ck people don't own it. It has evolved to mean something else.
@MrEffectfilms wow, either Decembero is deleting my comments or the censorship police showed up when something doesn't fit their narrative. Either way it's 🐂 💩.
Words mean multiple things in MANY cases, they don't own it.
@MrEffectfilms wow bro WTF, I really hope this is google and not the Channel owner. Words have more than one meaning, in MANY cases. Seriously Google can FO. I hope they get hit with Section 230 since they are CLEARLY biased.
"All games are political" -Political activist using games as a political platform.
"Please explain how political Tetris is. What about Pong? What about Pac-Man? Do I really need to keep going?" -Gamer
Dead serious, someone did try to say Tetris was political because it holds the values of efficiency and adaptability.
Some political activists said that Tetris represents communism. Some would say Pac-Man teaches kids that cannibalism is okay.
But what are the political themes of Shrek Swamp Kart?
“Clearly, Mrs. Pac-Man is a super progressive game that tackles the problematic gender roles and heteronormativity.” - some woke dork trying to grasp at imaginary straws.
"All games are political" -- said by people who want it to be political.
Games can have a political theme, that's about it. It doesn't need to propagandize to the players.
If I wanted to be playing real life I'd go outside.
Deus Ex is a very political game, especially the 1st game. However, the politics serve as a spice to the greater story. Ultimately, Deus Ex is about the importance of God and similar higher beings in our society, since the alternative means that governments and corporations (both of whom are flawed in and of themselves) come to take their place, which fits the theme of the story. And that's the point. This only works because the game focuses on *internal* politics rather than *external* ones. While its politics are based on real world issues and events, the application of those events are so fantastical that we as players can easily remove ourselves from reality and enjoy the game in earnest.
Deus Ex has politics that caters to everyone. Hell the stuff it says borders on prophetic.
It’s like asking a painter to paint a purple house but she ends up making it blue instead. You complain that it’s not the color you want but they retort with “ Well blue is used to make purple so I’m right.”
Just watch out if it's an Austrian painter and you'll be fine
😭 Brother these people need to know difference between in game politics and real life politics
Like skyrim politics between rebel and empire make sense, but veilguard is so out of touch with DA it literally feels like they want to 4th wall break and teach the player about their ideology politics
Like it literally feel like you in a DEI class
Well said. I have always been on the liberal left side of things. But in the last few years I don't want to identify with this side of things. The damage that the left has done to themselves is sad in a way.
All of this screeching, and aggression toward people who just want to play video games have created a whole new generation of Young minds who are automatically turned off by such discussions.
There is a way to go about change within society. There is a way to bring about morals or whatever it is you want, but how the messages delivered is sometimes more important than the message itself.
That there are so many incompetent people pushing on this is unfortunate for them.
By kicking and screaming, they are pushing anyone who might have listened to them away.
You just gotta bring the old libs back. The left woke mob are a blight. Judge jury and damnation (cancel culture) atop a high high horse.
Both the message and how it's delivered is trash in my opinion. Most people simply won't agree on the trans stuff, cause if they did we would be trully fucked. You can't run a society without reproduction and a proper family structure, it never worked.
Huh. Look at that. A liberal with an actual brain for once. Good on you, man.
Not that all liberals have no brain, but those that don't are VERY infamous for VERY obvious reasons.
"Why the hell is that a horse called Roach? Where is my pick 'em up truck, damnit?!"
- DEI Geralt.
Honestly, a fantasy style game with one character that gets modern guns, uses duct tape as a healing item, and it being played well for laughs would be awesome for a laugh.
Not something I would trust modern writers to do, but it would be great from someone with skill.
@@jebediahrage8273 it’s funny you should mention that. Ciry visited futuristic worlds. She could have been an honorary Witcher, using her own powers instead of mutations. And she could have knowledge of basic and generic painkillers and antibiotics from those futuristic worlds, to use for survivability, instead of potions. But no, they made her into a bootleg version of Getalt, because these woke people are creatively bankrupt. They can’t create anything of quality, even when it’s given to them on a silver platter. All they can do is badly copy great works and twist them with their ideology. Hence why they need to corrupt already existing IPs and why their few original creations flop.
Your videos are really great man. Please don't stop. I've been sharing this with all of my friends in the game industry. We can win this battle for common sense if we hammer down now.
Thank you, I appreciate it! 🥺🙏 these never seem to reach many people
I never understood why anyone has to see themselves in any game, I'm playing a story with a character who goes on a journey, this game is not featuring me as the character and it shouldn't ans really doesn't need to as everyone can still relate to situations, morality amd dynamics.
Some really just wanna do. Which frankly just makes them come across as narcissistic.
Always wanted to see myself as a Dead Boy in "LIMBO" 😂😂😂 them mfs are stupid af.
Self obsessed non gamers can't enjoy anything that isn't about themselves. These people don't like books or movies as they can't relate to others.
Very good point
I do believe creating fiction involves self inserts a lot of times BUT it's how it's done.
I agree, I can't stand all this crying over ''girlboss protagonists'' , '' omg I can't play this bald female character she must be a lesbian'', or over the ''uglification of women'' like female characters can't be designed in any other way than cookie cutter model.
My favorite all art is political types is those who get shown a random simple image, especially the "cute girl eating cheese burger" and they cant just take the L and say "well is just an image" they need to go on this contrived line of thoughts to justify why its political, they will probly be shown a 5 years old drawing of a cat and try to justify instead of just acepting is a kids drawing...
That's exactly what happened to McDonalds Japan when they had that little video of a happy family eating Mickey D's food. To a normal person, it was just a nice little wholesome video of a family enjoying a meal together. To twitter land whales? Not so much.
@@mrbigglezworth42 Ah yes, a family eating together, right wing propaganda.
The difference between Metel Gear, BioShock and the others as opposed to modern games is subtlety. These games are very political. However it's left up to the player to decide what it all means. Its the first rule of writing any type of media. Show don't tell.
Metal Gear Solid 1 literally comes out in the end with "You must not allow yourself to be chained to fate, to be ruled by you genes. Humans can choose the type of life they want to live"
That's not subtly. I love the game but it wasn't subtle.
@MrEffectfilms True enough. But they didn't tell you what life you should have.
@@godzillafan4033 I'm not sure any game has done that.
@@MrEffectfilms Yeah, maybe not exactly that but they have no problem lecturing you. Also if you are not in complete agreement with them you are some kind of ist or some kind of phobic
It didn't tell you what creed to take - only that you must be conscientious and love freedom for love of your fellow man
It's the difference between a game asking questions about certain concepts, and you coming up with the answers yourself.
And the game TELLING you what to believe. These games are literal propaganda.
Why does it have to be All or None? Some pieces of art have political themes and all art *can* be interpreted through a political lens, but that doesn't mean that all art is inherently political and quite frankly I am fed up of being gaslit by leftists on that issue because they lack the intellectual honesty to just admit that their work sucks.
Games can have political themes which is fine but we don't need a political statement or ideology in entertainment telling you how to think, a game can make you think with it's narrative but that is different.
Exactly!
You can do political statements but it's important for you to convey it properly. The reader needs to he pleased which you can not care about but you can't be upset when it's not taken well.
@@Touma134 i guess, just dont hit your audience over the head with it like the game is a re-education camp for wrong think
Deux Ex Human Revolution for example. That game shows you all the good and the bad points about the whole transhumanism debate but it never insults the player for their choices made in the game during certain interactions.
The first time I saw this phrase it was from BioWare's John Epler. His defenders went on to justify the statement by referencing things like the Landsmeet in Dragon Age: Origins. But in-game political battles or ideologies aren't the same as real-world political talking points being injected where they don't belong. The inclusion of player choice in these in-game political issues also negates any criticisms of political issues being present or ideologies being pushed on the audience, since the game provides good points for all sides of the political discussion and the player is free to justify his or her position however he or she wants.
@@BelieveIt1051 I hate how people forget that rpg with actual choices simply cannot take a political side because you can play the most abhorrent character but still save the world and make everyone like you, nullyfying any messaging the rpg tries to give you
Authenticity adds to immersion. Enough said.
An artist with integrity creates art that is not political, but it's often interpreted by political people, which is an awful fact of life. So since all people are political, all art is interpreted as such, but art itself is not. Politics in games can be done well if they explore polarizing themes form all angles, which would require actual thought and effort put into it. This rarely happens.
Dustborn was political and it was a mask off display of how insane the left has become. It’s literally become fueled by hatred, and a hatred that isn’t even genuine it’s been instilled and rewarded in people purposely in order to destroy western civilization . I’ve never met a racist white person who had 1/100th of the true hatred that these people have for basically conservatives, traditional Christian values and white people generally.
The progressives of the 60’s wrote this all down in clear language. They wanted to co opt the civil rights movement, feminism and homosexuals in order to stoke their grievances and resentment. The whole plan is to destroy so utopia can come in its place, but that is so childish bc they never get close to that. They get to the stage where there is mass starvation and nothing functions anymore
Man, these people really misinterpret the term, "everything is political." it just means that you can't remove the political and cultural influences of the times something was created in from it. Not that everything has to have an overt political message.
Except you absolutely can't remove the political and cultural influences of the time that an art was created. Right now I could go draw a picture of a guy just sitting in a tree what cultural and political influence is does that picture represent. The answer is quite literally none because I did not intend it to represent any cultural or political values. I simply wanted to draw a guy sitting in a tree what you can read into a piece of art does not define the art. The only thing that matters with art is the author's intent and whether or not they succeeded at it. Personal interpretation does not matter when it comes to art
@@ThisisKyle I'd have to disagree with you somewhat on that point. Once any creative work enters the public domain, artist intent diminishes significantly. Books, films, paintings, etc. are all read within a temporal/cultural context to be understood, and in many ways must be to be understood across cultures (if it's fortunate enough to be appreciated widely) and over time.
Personally, I also believe art is a form of communication; meaning it needs the input of the audience to breathe life into the conversation.
Anyone making anything, even the stick figure you reference, do it with the influence of the times they live in and experiences they have. What they want to communicate is a outcome of that. As popular as the idea of the singular artist's voice is, nothing exists within a vacuum creatively.
@@ThisisKyle uhh, you're correct but not right.
What the original is supposed to mean is that if you never saw a tree you would never draw it, or that you didn't add apples because you never saw an apple in your life. (Kinda bad example but I hope you get me)
The quote is moreso about understanding individuals life circumstances when viewing the work for better understanding, it's especially important when you research overseas content or old stuff.
*_"aLL gAmEs aRe PoLiTiCaL!!"_* Art by its very nature is NEVER political. Art can only be made political if the artist wishes to make it so, or if some delusional fool desperately tries hard to insert it where there is none.
Where, pray tell, is the politics in DaVinci's Mona Lisa, or Julie Bell's Boris Bosforus, or any of Ohrai Noriyoshi's Godzilla posters? I triple dog dare you to tell me where are the politics in those art illustrations.
The Mona Lisa shows natural beauty, which makes tranny's feel bad or something. I actually agree, art is not inherently political. But anything can be MADE political. Which is what these people do. Someone HAS to try and contradict, for whatever reason.
My response to "All games are political" is, ah yes I love the Trump ads in Super Mario Galaxy. I loved the scene in Kirbys Adventure when Kirby said "Lets go invade Ukraine." No but seriously, you once again described and dismantled this argument pretty well.
EDIT: So to clarify, this is a joke, it is an exaggeration. Looks like I was not as good at being funny as I thought.
Thats pretty intellectualy dishonest tho and not what people saying "games are political" mean. Try ironmanning and not strawmanning an argument.
Kirbimir goes crazy
@@MoreImbaThanYou That is why it is over the top, it was a joke. Though truth can be taken out of this joke. Since there is no political message in those games, the argument that "EVERY game is political" is still wrong since no politics have been mentioned in Kirby or Mario games. My point being, not every game is political thus the literal argument that every game is political, is wrong, only some games feature politics.
@@sylvester3836 Isn't Marios story pretty much "Evil enemy King wants to take over by force marriage of princess peach"?
I know, I am being nitpicky here, but unless something has no story at all, there will always be something resembling "politics" in it. And therein lies the crux with the argument in itself: What do we consider "politics" in regards to the video title?
@MoreImbaThanYou I must admit I do not see the politics in this story. What you put in quotation is basically the summary of the story and not the politics. Is it because Bowser is a monarch and thus by his existence the story has monarchist politics? Is it because peach is a woman and because she gets kidnapped she is weak?
And to your last point, what can be considered politics per the video, when the politics are not integrated into the story or narrative and instead are outside influences. By my Super Mario analogy, since the story is not the foreground of the game and instead the gameplay takes center stage, so while yea there are politics? Perhaps? The story and thus the politics do not take center stage and are not relevant to the game as a whole. If I were to take this game and put in a slideshow with Bowser who talks about him being a christian and why, it sours the entire experience because this does not fit into the gameplay or the tiny story there is.
If I were to make one more analogy: Lets say I make a game set in a fantasy world where everyone is a wizard, and I put in story path about you becoming a christian, even though its inclusion makes absolutly ZERO sense, that would sour the experience as well, since A. I am taking you out of this magical world by bringing in charged reallife topics and B. it would not make sense for your character to even know christianity exists, since they are in another world.
Plus excuse my poor english and grammar, it is my second language.
The today's extent of disillusionment & defamation towards the traditional player's common sense is simply mindblowing 🤡👌 Sometimes i wonder if there exists an official psychiatric diagnosis for these complete lunatics? I mean, they need help, like immediately, right? But then again, i'm quite sure that they already drifted beyond this point.
It's an easy distinction - modern politics does not belong in entertainment, unless that entertainment product is about the moden time period.
The overall timeless political topics do belong in the entertainment when integrated into the story well.
The biggest difference between art and propaganda, as far as I can tell, is that art requires the interpretation of the audience to be complete while propaganda rejects interpretation and participation. There is only the message and the only choice the audience has is to accept the message as truth or reject it. You engage with art. You receive propaganda.
The purpose of, say Jedi Survivor, is to be an engaging game with exciting combat and interesting platforming puzzles, complete with a compelling Star Wars narrative, and it contains ideological themes about strength of diversity and self improvement and perseverance in the face of an oppressive regime. But the purpose of a game like, say Dustborn, is to be an ideological message, and it contains gameplay mechanics as well. The former works because it's a compelling work of art and it's ideological messaging comes through the interpretation of the player as they experience it. The latter doesn't work because the player doesn't experience it and interpret a message in the art, it's not meant to be interpreted and is therefore not art but propaganda. With Jedi Survivor, even if you don't agree with the ideologies it presents to you for some reason, you can still engage with the game and enjoy it. With Dustborn, if you reject the message then there is nothing left for you to engage with because the game isn't meant to be engaged with, just absorbed.
Not necessarily interpretation. Good pieces of art with well integrated political messages don't have much room of interpretation, but because they express themselves clearly and eloquently. If absolutely everything is up to interpretation regardless of intent, narrative skill or context, we enter post-truth territory.
A better way to say it, I guess, is that good political art allows the recipient to disagree with the message for the sake of dialogue. Propaganda, on the other hand, doesn't allow disagreement, only acceptance.
@XanderVJ I didn't say interpretation was the only aspect of art. But it is required for the art to be complete. The author's own interpretation may be strong and he may have enough skill to do a lot of the interpretive heavy lifting for the viewer, leading them to his intended message. But they still have to interact with the art to discover that message. For propaganda, there is only the message. You have to literally interpret it for the message to enter your mind, but it is meant to require the minimum participation of the viewer because the viewer doesn't matter, only the message matters.
fantastic video as always . I especially agree with the part in 16:05 , even if you are neutral with your opinion on DEI you will get attacked . It is insane we reached this point and it is especially saddening its happened to beloved studios like CDPR or Bioware (also if you guys love witcher 3, the ex devs from witcher 3 made a new studio called Rebel Wolves , they are making a vampire rpg which looks awesome) . Im hoping things change because we are in for a crash if more layoffs or game companies faulter.
It's always the vocal minority trying to act like everything is toxic.
Having a Diverse (as in personality) set of characters is good, having a bland cast of characters whose only differences are their designs is not good.
People hate "DEI" Companies like SBI not because they put black or gay characters in games (the people who do hate them for that reason are just funny.) But because they try to push "Diversity" and try to be as inoffensive as possible, only to end up pushing the stereotypes of the people they claim not to offend ironically.
There's a difference between political themes that fit the setting vs political themes that *_don't_* fit the setting..
Skyrim's politics are exclusively in-universe, whether it's the war between the Imperials and Stormcloaks, or siding with or against a particular faction like the Dark Brotherhood or the Foresworn; it feels natural because everything is exclusively within the world of The Elder Scrolls, nothing from the modern real world exists or is referenced and that's why nobody complains that it has political themes - it also gives players the ability to *_choose_* their outcomes more freely depending on how they prefer to resolve their missions.
Meanwhile Dragon Age Veilguard includes a *_modern day real world_* political issue in a fictional high fantasy setting where it sticks out like a sore thumb and adds absolutely nothing to the world besides satisfying a tiny minority of people for likes on social media - in a high fantasy world where sorcery can let someone completely alter their appearance to look however they want, why do top surgery scars exist, or why should time be spent explaining what non-binary is, using a modern day technological term where no such things exist? And unlike prior Dragon Age titles where players can act polite, brash or antagonistic to NPCs, Veilguard only lets players respond with different flavours of niceness and nothing else whilst railroading them down a particular story route and locking the true good ending behind everyone in their party completing one character's side quest, taking away freedom that had previously been a large feature in the series in order to make a lecture on gender identity practically mandatory.
It's not that we don't want political themes in *_any_* escapism, we just want them to feel *_natural_* to the settings, and a large number of modern day real world politics do not fit into a large number of fictional settings, be they fantasy, sci-fi or otherwise.
That was a very solid "deep southern" impersonation. Absolutely hilarious...also possibly true. If they had pickup trucks those pyramids would have been done in no time!
Funny that they mention Kojimas games as having politics in it as if fictional cold war era politics are the same as defending gender identity and body positivity bs...
Tosh : So, I am not right handed
Mom : Ok, in our world it is called "left handed", perhaps you're one of those?
Tosh : Why don't you just accept me as who I am!!!!!!!
Mom : WTF are you on about?!
Currently replaying Witcher 3. Yeah, no way we're getting anything close to that anytime soon. At least not from Western AAA studios.
Also, by inserting present-day, ideologically-driven BS into games, they often remove any other type of politics (bc those could be seen as offensive). Case in point: Veilguard. The only politics in that "game" is The Message. No political intrigue in Minrathous. The plight of city elves is nowhere to be seen. It's completely devoid of any political conflict that made the prior games more interesting.
A lot of Witcher players are waiting for The Witcher 4. They want to give a try normally. I searched about women surviving the Witcher trial, only few survived. I'm waiting for a good review of Ciri.
Sadly when it comes to Wukung(since you did mention it) it is rather simple Asian people are now considered white adjacent meaning that the Chinese people in the game are considered to more or less being white. What is even sadder is that these people do no understand even while the Han Chinese make up the majority of people in China that it has many different peoples within it´s borders with their own history and traditions as well. This is why these fanatics will never be happy they are going to add more and more people until there is no one left to add to people who do not count as being diverse.
There seems to be even more hatred for them. It's one of the borgs constituent parts rebeling against it. You're not having the right minority opinion you're allowed to have.
A friend getting me to read materials on Romance of the Three Kingdoms made me realize there are different regional ethnics in historical china alone, let alone Asia as a continent.
Some people want an authentic WWII game, that's why The Defiant is in development. Guess that Chinese game industry is reaching the levels of any Western game company.
All games are political is a piss poor excuse to shove in the personal politics of the defenders who lack nuance or the ability to write
The real probelm are Americans that think that European video games made by Europeans and Asian video games made by Asians are obliged to mirror in any way shape or form the issues of and the ethnic and social composition of - of all countries and regions - north American societies.
They dont see that this whole history of an extremely ethincally mixed society devided by racism and social oppression based on skin color on the one hand and this obsession with sexual deviancy on the other hand are American phenomena.
The rest of the world is in no way, shape or form obliged to take anything of that into consideration when creating works of art and fiction and entertainment in general.
Take for example battlestar galactica... it is heavily political.and religious. But it doesn't preach you what to think, Instead it uses it as a canvas for the story to develop.
This is how politics and religion was used way back when in entertainment. Nowadays, it is being forcefed in a preachy way
20:52 I just noticed Fallout 2 Modoc playing in the background, such nostalgia
Great video dude, so many great points made, and the structuring of it all was splendid.
Music, simple transitions, and plenty of logic to boot. Great job with this one homie.
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And I see you with the list of games used in the background in the description, thanks for that. You're a real one. 💪
Hey man! I appreciate the kind words, good to see you popping by! 💜
Can't wait for your next upload. 🔥
Thanks so much for the comment! 🙏
@TheDezembro Ofcourse, and I also finished watching Part 2 after finishing this one and yet again. Great job on that one my dude. 🙏🔥 as you can tell from my channel, I love an episodic series for sure, looking forward to anything like this in the future.
And just got done with my moving this past week. So just getting settled in new place and working out some kinks and will be getting back to some new videos here in the near future. Got some pretty big and dope projects planned. Keep up the good work homie. 🙏🔥🖤
Some of the biggest franchises in gaming have no politics. Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda all have no overt or subtle political themes. Not to mention all the sports games like Fifa or generic racing games like Forza.
Here's my two piece. If you can't separate fiction from real life then you're not mature enough to do so. If you're a writer and you can't not let real life politics and beliefs effect what you're writing, then you're simply not skilled enough at writing to do so.
Great video. Looking forward to the rest of the series ❤
The "everything is political" in works is a form of rhetorical fallacy that allows very small groups of individuals to trivialize radical discourses and to knock out any opposition because the argument is so stupid.
In doing so, they try to normalize their ideology by pretending that works that claim nothing defend a form of status quo, that all works are the product of a political stance (by cherry-picking carefully, and ignoring all works that address other subjects, such as friendship, love or whatever).
We had the same problem in small role-playing communities in France, where the "everything is political" allowed these activists to insert their radical ideas into role-playing tables or books, and to oust any opinion contesting this postulate.
It is a form of gaslighting where you are presented with reality in a distorted way to impose another distortion (woke ideology) that would ultimately not appear so distorted in the general framework.
These people have sacrificed works, universes, communities of enthusiasts on the altar of their personal obsessions that they have tried to pass off as political concepts.
Stupid woke western game: Soooo I'm non binary.
Based chad eastern super diverse game: I am an American cowboy. But I am also a Japanese samurai.(Showa American Story)
4:30, this literally happened with every rw channel when the acolyte trailer dropped. Retconning will benefit nobody.
I've been saying this for years, only to get chastised by these political weirdos. I'm a Buddhist. Im all about peace, love, and acceptance. However, in this modern age, this is now being forced, and i don't like it. These activists force a fake narrative down one's throat, and at the end of the day, they just want conformity. I'm currently playing Banishers, which has been pretty good so far. The women are a bit degrading towards Red, especially Artea. But I'll just chalk it up to Artea being angry about her situation. I don't exactly exactly feel like some kind of message is being pushed onto me, or some political messaging is being forced.
I agree with these points. Most of mainstream media ignores these facts. What’s sad is the entire conversation is killed before anything productive can be made. The only time we can show it’s not working is due to sales. What a time to be alive.
Finding non woke and political games is the real challenge nowadays, even the ones who claim they aren't still infiltrate elements in them
When will they understand that even girls don't want to play ugly girl characters lmfao
I have my own biases, but when it comes to playing my fav games, I don't care about inclusion existing or not, if the game itself is good to play.
My guess is the reason why Sweet Baby Inc took aim at Black Myth Wukong is because they were hoping to make them an example in the chinese market. SBI NEEDS good publicity in any form whether its a good game or Black Myth Wukong failing and them saying "LOOK! They failed cuz they ignored our help!" So when The Devs ignored SBI's advertisement to DEI there game the devs said "No, why would we???" I thought the whole point of a DEI department was to make sure there wasn't anything too offensive in media but apparently now the DEI departments are "We give you a checklist or we give you bad publicity, make your choice!"
Given their president tells HRs of these companies to hold them at an ideological gun point... which then put's their livelihood in jeopardy. It's forced compliance and malicious intent.
This is my new favorite video on this subject. Great job my friend.
4:29 had me laughing hard XD Just brilliant, insta sub
One thing is to add political themes in a game to enrich the game's narrative and worldbuilding. Another thing is to inject ideological proselytism, shoving the dev's worldviews down on the gamer's throat if not offending them for having the "wrong think".
Oh yeah, since Orange man is back, get ready for another swarm of "game journalists" giving a game bad scores because the game isn't "political enough" (adding a "orange man is bad" statement on it).
I think the whole "politics has always been in video games" comes from the whole "politics influences art" argument.
Thats always been debated heavily in art circles if art is dictated by the poltics of the times. This gets extended to tv, music and now video games.
The thing any medium can be used for politics, but all mediums are not inheriently political.
This is where anyone who pushes the "x has always been political" argumen never passes the smell test. The person creating the art has to choose if its going to have a theme; the Woman in the Garden in Monet is very different in composition to Lady Liberty Leading the Way by Eugène Delacroix.
Its at this point that the argument falls flat, it relies on subjecivity of the person. So if the viewer sees everything as political, even to how they view themselves. No matter how much they are faced with the reality that not everything in life revolves around politics....its akin to arguing with a brick wall.
I'm 100% sure that NOT all games are political because anyone can create a game with NO intention of politicizing it. ANYONE can POLITICIZE anything, though. I can do a painting of an actual ROCK, loudly declare that it is just a painting of a rock--there is no intent of ANY interpretation other than it is, in fact, just a painting of A ROCK, and somehow, someone would still interpret it as ANYTHING but a mere rock.
Thank you! I'm a brown guy and I have literally NEVER been concerned about latino main characters in games. I never even considered it until a bunch of white women and minority women who are deliberately trying to sell a solution to a nonexistent problem as far as I'm concerned, would not stop complaining about it. And the majority of the time, it's by people who DON'T EVEN GAME!
I'm looking forward to this Kingdom Come II and will not care that I get to spend time in old historical Bohemia with the whites haha
First, create problem. Too many wh- I mean, a lack of diversity. Yeah. Second, sell the solution. Third, profit??
That rant to about “lovingly attacking her backside” had me dying😂 Hope everyone enjoys their day and plays some fun games
The demographics they are trying to appeal to already play video games they just arent the majority of gamers.
Based vid.
You inadvertant admit all games are political sort of, but the point is that there's a huge difference between games that do politics well and ones that don't.
"All games are political" is a stupid statement I wish people would stop saying because it heavily depends on what you think politics is.
Someone personal identity should not be political, yet it is. Whoever you're attracted to shouldn't be political, yet it is.
But yeah, based.
As an artist, no, not all games are political, and art isn't just politics. That's a sub genre of art. There are thousands of examples as well. I don't think something like Nintedogs talks about todays politicals.
The real problem is actual developers not the consulting. You can lose the consulting and you will still have the same issues.
These people have a way of making things with an overly progressive ideology. So much is problematic with these people and they can't replace what they strip out with anything with substance. Anything based on concrete tested practices. Just things based on how it makes THEM feel.
The tripe A industry needs to collapse.
All games are political?
No, not all of them. There are some games that have political themes and there are gamers that like them. What gamers truly hate are propaganda.
5:45 I feel like we have to explain to a lot of people like they're five when someone tries to argue that this DEI and political stuff in gaming isn't a problem when it is...
Every time I play Osu or Muse Dash (yes, I enjoy rhythm games) I always think to myself "Men, this is soooo political!"
These people take a personal offence to coomers. As if they got nothing else to worry about
This is why I only play games from eastern studios, they all frickin slap. And they have attractive characters, cool designs, great story and gameplay. Especially JRPGs!!! Seems like a lot of western games released in the last 5 years have been really bad and super gay and they force feed politics to the player.
All games are political? .... Tetris, Solitaire, Pong, Snake ... suuure 😂
Appearently i should go back to school to understand in what sense those are politocal.
Clearly you do not understand the extremely delicate politics of Tetris, an incredibly sophisticated presentation of how society is bigoted against those f*cking squiggly pieces that don't fit into anywhere. The point of Tetris is to show us how we must rebel against the system and force it to cater to our squiggly selves. 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
Bruh. Tetris is literally a testament to the superiority of Communism.
A symbol of Utilitarianism and efficiency, Equality, and the collapse of the Bourgeois class.
Why did you only pick atari level games for your argument?
@@Cheff-oc4wu Why not, I mean, their argument is that ALL games are political 🤔 this Atari stuff just goes to show how ridiculous the statement is.
The rest is already covered in the video anyway.
@@Cheff-oc4wu simple, i personally don't play the most recent games and since i was having the video open on phone as side-entertainment at work i couldn't invest too much effort in thinking deeper about my comment, i'm from the age when those were common ^^'
Bioshock 1 was very political and thought provoking. It`s still one of the best games in my opinion. Just the basic idea of how delusional and downright abyssal a parallel society without the bounds of morality would devolve in was such a good concept. Every player from every political real life standpoint could infer and extrapolate points from the game that either confirmed their political standing or challenged their beliefs in a meaningful way. That`s how it SHOULD be handled. Not Grandstanding and preaching "ONLY OUR WAY IS THE CORRECT WAY".
What frustrates me more is that these people have such a shallow view of what makes something political. These are people who think Final Fantasy 7 is about capitalism because one of the villains is a fictional corporation with its own in universe business practices and political actions. These are people who interpret all media no matter how
old it is to a post 2016 view on the orange man. These are people who project so hard when they say we just want our politics in media like they won’t have a seething meltdown over pro America imagery like Kavernacle did with Black Ops Cold War.
The all games are political argument doesn’t mean a thing it’s a moot argument
I hate the stance all art is political. It's the same stance people used to try to justify showing adult material to kids. "all things are inherently adult" like... No? They arent
This argument works with superhero comics, which yes, were created with political motives, but they don't even try to use it with video games, which were created exclusively for entertainment.
Y'all built those pyramids without a pickup truck? 😭
MISTAKE.
Dezembro, you're really killing it.
What's so political about Kirby's Dreamland or Dig Dug?
People who say "all games are political" really think something like a Life is Strange or a Dustborn is on the same level as Metal Gear or Deus Ex. The best Life is Strange can't even touch Survive or Snake's Revenge for NES let alone Sons of Liberty.
And then there are games like Star Wars Pinball VR.
These people, I swear to god.
So, one note I do disagree with you on, but I think you may agree with my addendum.
Games don’t need to only have internal politics to be doing politics well, as many great games brought up for “games are political” discussion draw heavily from external real world politics or other outside of game events. Metal gear rising probably would have a very different story if it hadn’t been for the endless wars in the Middle East lining the pockets of Raytheon and Lockheed executives.
It’s not that politics needs to stay internal, it’s that the game can’t take a contentious real world subject and say “this is the objectively correct viewpoint to have on it, and shame upon those who don’t have this viewpoint, I will not even allow you to consider this other viewpoint.” You could easily walk away from MG:R thinking Armstrong was right, that he had good ideas, but had misguided execution, or that he’s completely wrong.
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25:57 it's similar to the issue of Lolicons in the anime community rn. people who are calling lolicons and individuals who like petite women pedos are usually the same individuals with terabytes upon terabytes of CP(this is what happened to Chibi Reviews when he made a comment about a scene in dandadan that resulted in his brothers grave being doxxed)
the problem is the hypocrisy that is at play and these individuals are aware of it but they won't own up to it
Egyptians were white though 😂 they only got browned after the Arab Nations attacked
Most games that dont pick a political side can be enjoyed by everyone and probably focus more on what would bring people together with a good game over dividing people and "owning the chuds" which seems to be the focus now plus the modern day politics really dates things. Back in the day theyd have a story and it would be about "misfits" anyone who doesnt fit in and so many people can relate to that but if that same thing gets remade today its no longer misfits and is usually changed into some hyper specific modern day group that the vast majority of people do not relate with. In their attempts to be so inclusive theyve just made everything way more exclusive but we all knew that and honestly it was probably the plan from the start they just didint expect everything to flop
I one time left a comment on a Star Wars video criticizing the acolyte saying I don’t feel like sol was in the wrong when he killed that witch. It was kinda in self defense and I mean even though she said she was gonna let them go why would you start levitating and turn into a giant smoke monster or something how is that not a sign that you want to fight. I also explained how I feel like he was protecting that child that she was literally VAPORIZING and some random person replied to me and yelled at me calling me racist, authoritarian and then ended there essay by saying I should never be in a position of power and my response was just “what? Im literally debating dumb writing in Star Wars when did I say I was a politician? Like do you really expect some random dude with a vault boy pfp to be in the White House 🤦♂️”
i wish i could like this video at least 3 more times
13:23 Not true for Metal Gear. Those games take place in our world but with a few alterations and use our real world history and politics to tell it's stories, so much so that MGS2 is seen as an eerily prophetic game now with how much it was able to predict our real life future. They didn't lecture us but they did warn us, and we didn't listen.
You expect wokies to have common sence?
Remember when business was about making something people would want to spend money on?
Yea it sucks that people don't understand this, politics created in universe based on the game is fine. Nobody has an issue in that in the elder scrolls games have racism towards certain races (mirroring the real world) It would be a problem if lets say they equate certain races to other races in the real world. (Example: saying all Khajiits are Asians or something of that sort) Now, you enter the realm of injecting modern politics into your (fantasy) media and this is what a majority of people don't want. Because games are for escapism/entertainment. And nothing pulls you out of a story more than others moral grandstanding or preaching to you on how your should think or act.
9:35 just for context: millmaid is not "simply". Owning a mill is very prestigious. In medieval economy it's not something owned by everyone. Everyone may own a hand quern for example, something akin to a blender in our time: to mill a handful of grain to make a breakfast.
A mill is something that is one per village, sometimes one per several villages.
You're absolutely right that there is a right way to include contemporary political discourse into games.
Megami Tensei (the original) and the better known remake Shin Megami Tensei, was, in many ways, an discussion of a weakened Japan caught between great powers in the Cold War, with the American occupation and the Communist bloc it struggled for influence against allegorically represented by the forces of Order and Chaos respectively.
Shin Megami Tensei IV (Not Apocalypse) used a similar allegory to reflect the debate over remilitarisation of Japan, with subservience to the Americans reflected by the forces of Law, and a return to the old ways represented by Chaos. It is noteworthy that both end in massive destruction, and that the neutral path which is neither is very difficult to achieve.
I don't need to see myself as a character or even relate to a character. I'm playing a game to "hear" the story of someone else. Like if I played Hannah Montana I wouldn't have a need to relate to her.
There's a difference between "having politics in it" and "politicizing".
You are so good at pointing out the rank hypocrisy 👏 respect from Ireland brother 🇮🇪🤝
"All games are political" people would lose it if it was pro republican or heck even a centrist position. It's a universal tactic to be authoritarian when you're winning but all pro freedom and expression when they're not. Leftism though seems uniquely primed for that behavior.
The Woke, religion or cult? Would rather die on the cross that they've created. Then face reality.
Just because all games are political doesn't mean we want them hammered into our brain, constantly let these woke idiots that insist on pumping into our games this garbage
This man gets it. Great video.
The saying is all Art is political. A game can not be a work of art. Sometimes a game is just a game. If it has a story those are usually about something.
This is actually interesting perspective. Game can be entertainment not art. Same as movies, cartoons etc. So this way the debate becomes all art is political but not all entertainment. And sometimes politics and entertainment don’t mix well.
@@mrksimka1159no way all art is political either. I think the truth is some people make everything about politics in their lives, including art
@@CHN-yh3uvthis is also true. Some people just can’t admit that sometimes digging too deep for some “meaning” in every piece of fiction is not intellectual but idiotic endeavour.
Well the objective fact is that all art is not inherently political. Art is only political if that was the intention behind the art