The best campaign i ever ran in roleplay or miniatures, was a mordenheim campaign. Every week, I published a single sheet two sided “news paper” called “The Troubled Times” that set up by the register at my local game store, free to everyone. In this paper would be: A recap of the week before News and rumors about “our” Mordenheim Warp Stone would sell in shards like shares in the stock market, so you could see what it was worth that week and if you was going to hold in to it or sell. A Highlight if a character. Buy and sell section of equipment Folk would get involved because they would see it by the register. Most customers read it (this store was also a comic book store) for the stories. It was just so much fun. The campaign was ran off the exploration chart where 6 6’s and you could find this legendary treasure (a scenic piece of warpstone terrain piece i made that actually was the trophy for winning the campaign). Unbeknownst to the players was defended by a giant Rat where they played a special scenario. The exploration chart would also reveal special characters that could help you along the way: First player to get 3 1’s found Halvo the Hungry Halfling who could add one to your exploration die role. He would stay in your warband till he found Marcus the Mapmaker you would get if you had a exploration role of 4 5’s and would give you a 6. On and on and on. It is where i learned to really build terrain and by far the most fun I’ve ever had. I love everything about AOS, matchplay and all. However, I want campaigns to as easy to run as this was. I want con events to be like this. Most of all, I want us all to talk about things like it more. Thank you again! Will
It can be again. I’ll work on it with anyone that wants to get involved, but you two have the “celebrity” status to back skirmish advancement. Thank you two. You really do a lot for our hobby.
I've still got the white dwarf magazine that gw first played mordheim in that's crazy Yep a hell of a long time for a game to be out but it's a great game tuomas pirinen we salute you
Some very thoughtful dialogue on Mordheim. Thank you for taking the time to share this, Vince. It's nice to hear the fuzzy thoughts and feelings I have about this game vocalized into cohesive words.
Revising the rules seem a good method to counter the optimal plays. Forbid rabbit's foot, make ppl fight with 2 hand weapons get a -1 to hit, half the cost of armours, make a system to modify armour not scalling with strenght and try new/unique scenarios or campaign books (BTB comes to mind). Then, with changes, it's like love at first sight again ;)
I agree, its a good way to change the rules and rekindle some of the flame. It is a temporary fix at best, as you have only changed the best temporarily. There is a larger story here of course about any competitive game with options. Over time, when competition is the goal, the best is found and eventually the repitition can cause burn out. If the challenge was to add integers up that equaled 10 in the smallest amount of individual numbers, eventually, you would come to something like 7 + 3 or 6 + 4. If I then said you had to use at least 3 numbers, maybe you would then go 3+4+3, or so on. In the end, change is required in a competitive option game to keep the cycle of unlocking alive. Thank you for watching and commenting! :)
Vince Venturella Ty, I'm glad! Hmm wise words. Yes, the sooner you adapt to the new rules, the sooner the burnout starts again. I know there isn't an easy solution and that solution wont be the perfect to everybody, but I think if the campaign goal changes from tactical into a more rpglike interactive story (so the battle just doesn't unlock more wyrdstone and gold) may be a good point. And we'll make the most of the essential narrative that makes Mordheim itself. Rumours and fluff will keep people guessing what's the real goal of the campaign and they will feel like a part of the story, not just a player in a tournament.
Vince Venturella A good example: Fanatic Online campaign ´Thy Soul to Keep´ from issue #51, #56, #60; hosted freely in specialist-arms(dot)com/fanatic/ I guess is only 5-6 games long because publication management. It has a good setting, it's based on the official lore, includes several narrative characters and scenarios, anybody can win in the last game but in the end feels like everybody won.
Nice video, a lot of familair statements there! :D I'm playing from 2001 or maybe 2002 and during this time our gaming group has seen some players come and go, but now we're still playing and have a basic group of 5 people. And still loving it!
feel mot of the specialist games do this well (hence why i love them so much more than the core games) Necromunda, Mordheim, bloodbowl, BFG all amazing
The best game ever made , in my humble opinion. A true miracle . I remember the little fever and fear we had in 1999 to change to 2000. Even the more "grounded" people had a weird feeling this year. Mordheim is the game that caught this feeling in a bottle , and kept it intact .
Played a game last night. I am mostly a 40k player, but Mordheim has a definite charm to it, that 40k lacks. I think this is largely, as you stated, the lack of connection with my individual guys in 40k; and that is even with me being a soldier playing IG (or AM now), so I connect with them as close as possible.
Excellent video Mr. Venturella! Since Squidmars recent video about Mordheim including his interview with Tuomas Pirinen the wheels of the TH-cam algorithm have been turning up Mordheim content for me. This excellent video is the intersection of professional presentation, game design analysis and Mordheim enthusiast sales pitch. I love it. My brother and I both have copies of Mordheim and have played many games and one long term campaign. Emotion creates memories indeed. Great line. Cheers
Great video. I have had a copy of the Mordheim book on my shelves since it came out and have never played it. I loved it for the fluff alone, enjoyed reading through the tables and mechanics and even painted up a faction. After watching your video it seems I have missed out and will be dusting it off to give it a go. Thanks. I still think Bloodbowl was the bigger success though (see my reply below) I now have every team in full for it and still love the game.
Good video, thanks for sharing. It's very interesting to get a game design-perspective on why Mordheim is still clinging to life after all these years. I'm going to try to get my local WHFB players to try Mordheim sometime because I really want to play it, but I've got so much else going on so who knows when that'll end up happening. Until then, I can live vicariously through TH-cam Mordheim batreps ;)
A good way to live, I find myself doing it often as well ;). If you are looking to sell you group, just point to them that everything is free, they already own miniatures to use (as almost anything goes) and it takes about an hour to play. That is a low barrier of entry for sure. Good luck!
Vince Venturella The low entry barrier is why GW dropped it of course! Same with Bloodbowl. I have just about every figure from every team (conversions rather than the expensive official stuff) and even all grouped together on the same side it would barely be enough figures for a modest sized Warhammer army
Sometimes victory is a defeat and defeat is a victory. I always loved playing mobile warbands, so either Skaven or Witchhunters (ahh, dogs) or just aggresive (Sisters of Sigmar or two already mentioned). While playing Skaven with such tactic it was often great to lose - kill lots of enemy units, grab some wyrdstones, lose 25% and immidiately lose rout test. Game would end with me rolling serious injury for very few units, usually henchmen, having several stones, while enemy had little or no gathered stones, multiple injuries and even with bonus to searching for stones, I was advancing more than he and losing less units. And even if I used very bad tactic quick rout fail was saving me from huge losses. We played on base manual with just few Town Cryers, as I see later there were still a lot of rules changes. Plus It was like cards for us - things we did not understand we agreed on some interpretation for whole campaign. That was also great to learn the game. We even played often with incorrect miniatures, for lack of correct ones while testing things, like using Warhammer skins as goblins or skaven. It is sad that there were no balance updates. Some equipment was too cheap (metioned here rabbit foot and lucky charm), some were without any sense to use. Very quickly all units if possible are running with two swords (because of parry), sling (so cheap - Skaven are deadly!), then other equipment. Since too much depends on who hits first and how powerful, generally Heavy Weapons are not used (always strike last) but Flails are OP for units that cannot use shield (Flagellants) - with 5S if you hit, you almost always wound, no armor save.
Games with similar mechanics are doing very well today. Take a look at the serial rpg'ish games like FFG's Decent, and the Star Wars version, Imperial Assault. Sure, there are lots of differences, but there's more alike than not. Small skirmish oriented miniature teams, objectives on a board you can fit on a single table, the ability to paint up your team. Not looking to debate the differences, but lets take a look just at the game play. There's a cohesion between games, and that creates not only an ongoing story based experience, but there's a connection the player has with their warband/team/characters as a result. You get to see them increase in power, take debilitating wounds, and risk not only serious injuries, but get killed off permanently. You can customize not only the equipment on each characters, but convert up the models to fit exactly what they have (true wysiwyg). Other games, like Necromunda, and Gorkamorka, had the same mechanics in different settings and they also still maintain a fan base that keeps playing the systems. I think GW could seriously take this as an opportunity to resurrect the game, and update it. Perhaps we'll see that in part of the 9th rules, which is supposed to include a low level skirmish type mechanic. We shall see, but until then, I'm enjoying Mordheim, for all its flaws, its still got spark and still fun to play.
I agree completely. What I find interesting about Mordheim is it struck a cord deeper than Blood Bowl or Necromunda (both of which predate it). Part of that may be the fantasy element (which is traditionally a much larger segment of the gaming industry - in RPGs for example, its something like 80%), but I think it was also because it was one of the first real mainstream games to tie all of these disparate elements together. It is certainly a formula that others have since run with, often to great success.
Vince Venturella I wouldn't put Bloodbowl in that list. BB hit a massive chord and still does. There are loads of us still playing it, there are tournaments, world organising bodies and rankings, online play, computer games and massive online community support including officially endorsed new rules sets and teams. There are also a range of companies producing new figures. BB has just about all the factors you mention about Mordheim including campaign options, injuries and upgrades plus a handicapping system to allow more even games between mismatched teams. In the UK you could play in a tournament almost weekend and like me are probably near at least a couple of active leagues. My experience is that Bloodbowl is far more successful and popular than Mordheim which I never see being played anymore... apart from following Anthony of course :) Funny enough one of the controversies has been the launch of a Chaos Undivided team which is considered overpowered. Something to ponder for Warhammer after end times :)
Ross FigurepaintingCoUK Interesting. I wonder if its a UK thing (which would be ironic given the source material), but in either event, I feel its probably splitting hairs, as they are both clearly enduring for many of the elements we listed.
@@VinceVenturella I am a fan of both games. Blood Bowl is simpler to implement online and has been with fumbbl.com since many editions. The NAF has been organizing world cups every 4 years and I already have attended to two of them. As mordheim doesn't have a lot of fixed 'pitch' to play on, it's that more difficult to implement in a universal way.
@@VinceVenturella yeah, when I discovered City of the Damned about a year ago I immediately tried to sell many of my friends on it. I have been aware of Warhammer and 40k for many years but never appreciated how intellectually satisfying the games are until I spent some time playing Dawn of War II. After that, Mordheim COTD naturally grabbed my attention and I've been hooked ever since. Are you aware of broheim.net?
I feel that the game has a lot of randomness build in. Because of the high variability. There is an addition called random happenings or something like that. Which is great for introducing more random stuff.
Seems crazy right? Time certainly flies. Still a great game and I remain hopeful about the rumors of a possible skirmish game contained within the next edition.
I've never played but this makes me wonder... could you use the Mordheim rules to run more of a table top RPG with one or two players (with small warbands working together) and a GM controlling the different enemies they come across? Would that work or is it a square peg in a round hole and you might as well use a regular RPG.
Everything that you think is good about Mordheim you will also get in abundance from Necromunda and Blood Bowl, in fact Blood Bowl is by far the most intense, fast paced and stressful tabletop game i have ever played. I would give almost anything for GW/Forgeworld to occasionally run minis for the old specialist games :( Im with you generally in defense of GWs business practices but i really think they underestimate the value of having a few games supported with a low cost to entry and easy campaign rules, even if they run at a loss they can attract customers to the hobby. Easier for a screaming kid to get Mommy to invest £100 into a game then £500+ then that kids visiting the store every week surrounded by other cool minis.
Agreed, I love the Specialist games. And I certainly agree on the barrier of entry, hopefully that is where we go with 9th so we have an easier entry point. Thanks for watching!
Vince Venturella It seems like such a no brainer for FW to pick up support for specialist games, the demand is there. GWs adamant refusal to do anything with these properties is the one thing about them that just utterly baffles me, its like our tears give them power :(. For 9th i would love to see a sort of "Combined Arms" ruleset allowing for Mordhiem style skirmish campaigns and massive scale battles all from the same miniature pool. If they could pull something like that of well it would be an act of genius on GWs part imo.
There is an old saw that "good games borrow, great games steal." When something works, I don't think there is anything wrong with running with it (and hopefully, trying to build upon it even more).
Mordheim owes its existence to Necromunda which came out in ''95. This lead to Mordheim being created for fantasy with how much Necromunda pulled in the 40k players. Mordheim's rules and layout come directly from Necromunda.
Cs Dn Absolutely, the reality is, everything I say for Mordheim could pretty much go (more or less) for Necromunda or Blood Bowl, both of which also still have big followings and have many of the same strong points. My experience happens to be stronger in Mordheim, so I choose to stick to what I know. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I tried to give Mordheim a chance, but like all fantasy, it's not for me, that's for sure. Here are the disadvantages for me personally: 1. Square bases. (No. No and no again. Never!) 2. Fantasy world. (Never loved it. Again, I gave this a chance, but it's not for me). 3. Elitist community. Or even elitism². If fantasy fans consider themselves "firstborn" and "only true fans" above all, then Mordheim is "an elite of the elite." More recently, an old friend of mine offered me to buy his original Mordheim band, but while looking for money, he sold it elsewhere. Unpleasant. As a result, there is not a single Mordheim model in my collection. And one last thing: now everyone is talking about the return of Mordheim 2.0 along with the new old world. I pass. Thank you but no. However if it was in the Mortal Realms, on the Ruins of Ulfenkarn, for example, it would interest me.
And the videos like this is why I do this job!
Dude, you rock!
:o
Several years ago, this video made me start off with Mordheim. It got my gaming-club really rolling. Thanks mate! A really good vid ^^
That's awesome to hear. It's a wonderful game and amazing design that I admire to this day.
The best campaign i ever ran in roleplay or miniatures, was a mordenheim campaign.
Every week, I published a single sheet two sided “news paper” called “The Troubled Times” that set up by the register at my local game store, free to everyone.
In this paper would be:
A recap of the week before
News and rumors about “our” Mordenheim
Warp Stone would sell in shards like shares in the stock market, so you could see what it was worth that week and if you was going to hold in to it or sell.
A Highlight if a character.
Buy and sell section of equipment
Folk would get involved because they would see it by the register. Most customers read it (this store was also a comic book store) for the stories. It was just so much fun.
The campaign was ran off the exploration chart where 6 6’s and you could find this legendary treasure (a scenic piece of warpstone terrain piece i made that actually was the trophy for winning the campaign). Unbeknownst to the players was defended by a giant Rat where they played a special scenario.
The exploration chart would also reveal special characters that could help you along the way:
First player to get 3 1’s found Halvo the Hungry Halfling who could add one to your exploration die role. He would stay in your warband till he found Marcus the Mapmaker you would get if you had a exploration role of 4 5’s and would give you a 6. On and on and on.
It is where i learned to really build terrain and by far the most fun I’ve ever had.
I love everything about AOS, matchplay and all. However, I want campaigns to as easy to run as this was. I want con events to be like this. Most of all, I want us all to talk about things like it more.
Thank you again!
Will
That sounds completely awesome my friend.
It can be again.
I’ll work on it with anyone that wants to get involved, but you two have the “celebrity” status to back skirmish advancement.
Thank you two.
You really do a lot for our hobby.
Mordheim what a truly great game!
Yes, still an all time great.
I've still got the white dwarf magazine that gw first played mordheim in that's crazy
Yep a hell of a long time for a game to be out but it's a great game tuomas pirinen we salute you
Some very thoughtful dialogue on Mordheim. Thank you for taking the time to share this, Vince. It's nice to hear the fuzzy thoughts and feelings I have about this game vocalized into cohesive words.
+usercide Thank you sir, very much appreciated.
Revising the rules seem a good method to counter the optimal plays. Forbid rabbit's foot, make ppl fight with 2 hand weapons get a -1 to hit, half the cost of armours, make a system to modify armour not scalling with strenght and try new/unique scenarios or campaign books (BTB comes to mind). Then, with changes, it's like love at first sight again ;)
I agree, its a good way to change the rules and rekindle some of the flame. It is a temporary fix at best, as you have only changed the best temporarily. There is a larger story here of course about any competitive game with options. Over time, when competition is the goal, the best is found and eventually the repitition can cause burn out.
If the challenge was to add integers up that equaled 10 in the smallest amount of individual numbers, eventually, you would come to something like 7 + 3 or 6 + 4. If I then said you had to use at least 3 numbers, maybe you would then go 3+4+3, or so on. In the end, change is required in a competitive option game to keep the cycle of unlocking alive.
Thank you for watching and commenting! :)
Vince Venturella Ty, I'm glad!
Hmm wise words. Yes, the sooner you adapt to the new rules, the sooner the burnout starts again.
I know there isn't an easy solution and that solution wont be the perfect to everybody, but I think if the campaign goal changes from tactical into a more rpglike interactive story (so the battle just doesn't unlock more wyrdstone and gold) may be a good point. And we'll make the most of the essential narrative that makes Mordheim itself.
Rumours and fluff will keep people guessing what's the real goal of the campaign and they will feel like a part of the story, not just a player in a tournament.
I think that is an excellent point and you are dead on.
Vince Venturella A good example: Fanatic Online campaign ´Thy Soul to Keep´ from issue #51, #56, #60; hosted freely in specialist-arms(dot)com/fanatic/
I guess is only 5-6 games long because publication management. It has a good setting, it's based on the official lore, includes several narrative characters and scenarios, anybody can win in the last game but in the end feels like everybody won.
Isidro Moríñigo Thanks for the link, that's a great archive :)
Nice video, a lot of familair statements there! :D
I'm playing from 2001 or maybe 2002 and during this time our gaming group has seen some players come and go, but now we're still playing and have a basic group of 5 people. And still loving it!
Remco Verhoeven That is fantastic! Thanks for watching and commenting.
feel mot of the specialist games do this well (hence why i love them so much more than the core games)
Necromunda, Mordheim, bloodbowl, BFG all amazing
They had a wonderful amount of creativity and risk taking and though there were some duds, there were also some real gems that have stuck to this day.
The best game ever made , in my humble opinion.
A true miracle .
I remember the little fever and fear we had in 1999 to change to 2000. Even the more "grounded" people had a weird feeling this year.
Mordheim is the game that caught this feeling in a bottle , and kept it intact .
It was great for sure.
Played a game last night. I am mostly a 40k player, but Mordheim has a definite charm to it, that 40k lacks. I think this is largely, as you stated, the lack of connection with my individual guys in 40k; and that is even with me being a soldier playing IG (or AM now), so I connect with them as close as possible.
Gareth Worthy Agreed, thanks for watching and commenting!
Excellent video Mr. Venturella! Since Squidmars recent video about Mordheim including his interview with Tuomas Pirinen the wheels of the TH-cam algorithm have been turning up Mordheim content for me. This excellent video is the intersection of professional presentation, game design analysis and Mordheim enthusiast sales pitch. I love it. My brother and I both have copies of Mordheim and have played many games and one long term campaign. Emotion creates memories indeed. Great line. Cheers
Well said!
Great video. I have had a copy of the Mordheim book on my shelves since it came out and have never played it. I loved it for the fluff alone, enjoyed reading through the tables and mechanics and even painted up a faction. After watching your video it seems I have missed out and will be dusting it off to give it a go. Thanks.
I still think Bloodbowl was the bigger success though (see my reply below) I now have every team in full for it and still love the game.
If you love it, you will love Mordheim for sure as well. As you point out, there are many similar elements. Thanks for watching sir.
Good video, thanks for sharing. It's very interesting to get a game design-perspective on why Mordheim is still clinging to life after all these years.
I'm going to try to get my local WHFB players to try Mordheim sometime because I really want to play it, but I've got so much else going on so who knows when that'll end up happening. Until then, I can live vicariously through TH-cam Mordheim batreps ;)
A good way to live, I find myself doing it often as well ;). If you are looking to sell you group, just point to them that everything is free, they already own miniatures to use (as almost anything goes) and it takes about an hour to play. That is a low barrier of entry for sure. Good luck!
Vince Venturella The low entry barrier is why GW dropped it of course! Same with Bloodbowl. I have just about every figure from every team (conversions rather than the expensive official stuff) and even all grouped together on the same side it would barely be enough figures for a modest sized Warhammer army
Would love to see a video like this about Mordheim AOS
Thanks for the interesting analysis
My pleasure!
Sometimes victory is a defeat and defeat is a victory. I always loved playing mobile warbands, so either Skaven or Witchhunters (ahh, dogs) or just aggresive (Sisters of Sigmar or two already mentioned). While playing Skaven with such tactic it was often great to lose - kill lots of enemy units, grab some wyrdstones, lose 25% and immidiately lose rout test. Game would end with me rolling serious injury for very few units, usually henchmen, having several stones, while enemy had little or no gathered stones, multiple injuries and even with bonus to searching for stones, I was advancing more than he and losing less units. And even if I used very bad tactic quick rout fail was saving me from huge losses.
We played on base manual with just few Town Cryers, as I see later there were still a lot of rules changes. Plus It was like cards for us - things we did not understand we agreed on some interpretation for whole campaign. That was also great to learn the game. We even played often with incorrect miniatures, for lack of correct ones while testing things, like using Warhammer skins as goblins or skaven.
It is sad that there were no balance updates. Some equipment was too cheap (metioned here rabbit foot and lucky charm), some were without any sense to use. Very quickly all units if possible are running with two swords (because of parry), sling (so cheap - Skaven are deadly!), then other equipment. Since too much depends on who hits first and how powerful, generally Heavy Weapons are not used (always strike last) but Flails are OP for units that cannot use shield (Flagellants) - with 5S if you hit, you almost always wound, no armor save.
Great vid I love mordheim
Thank you sir, much appreciated!
Games with similar mechanics are doing very well today. Take a look at the serial rpg'ish games like FFG's Decent, and the Star Wars version, Imperial Assault. Sure, there are lots of differences, but there's more alike than not. Small skirmish oriented miniature teams, objectives on a board you can fit on a single table, the ability to paint up your team. Not looking to debate the differences, but lets take a look just at the game play. There's a cohesion between games, and that creates not only an ongoing story based experience, but there's a connection the player has with their warband/team/characters as a result. You get to see them increase in power, take debilitating wounds, and risk not only serious injuries, but get killed off permanently. You can customize not only the equipment on each characters, but convert up the models to fit exactly what they have (true wysiwyg). Other games, like Necromunda, and Gorkamorka, had the same mechanics in different settings and they also still maintain a fan base that keeps playing the systems. I think GW could seriously take this as an opportunity to resurrect the game, and update it. Perhaps we'll see that in part of the 9th rules, which is supposed to include a low level skirmish type mechanic. We shall see, but until then, I'm enjoying Mordheim, for all its flaws, its still got spark and still fun to play.
I agree completely. What I find interesting about Mordheim is it struck a cord deeper than Blood Bowl or Necromunda (both of which predate it). Part of that may be the fantasy element (which is traditionally a much larger segment of the gaming industry - in RPGs for example, its something like 80%), but I think it was also because it was one of the first real mainstream games to tie all of these disparate elements together. It is certainly a formula that others have since run with, often to great success.
Vince Venturella I wouldn't put Bloodbowl in that list. BB hit a massive chord and still does. There are loads of us still playing it, there are tournaments, world organising bodies and rankings, online play, computer games and massive online community support including officially endorsed new rules sets and teams. There are also a range of companies producing new figures.
BB has just about all the factors you mention about Mordheim including campaign options, injuries and upgrades plus a handicapping system to allow more even games between mismatched teams.
In the UK you could play in a tournament almost weekend and like me are probably near at least a couple of active leagues. My experience is that Bloodbowl is far more successful and popular than Mordheim which I never see being played anymore... apart from following Anthony of course :)
Funny enough one of the controversies has been the launch of a Chaos Undivided team which is considered overpowered. Something to ponder for Warhammer after end times :)
Ross FigurepaintingCoUK Interesting. I wonder if its a UK thing (which would be ironic given the source material), but in either event, I feel its probably splitting hairs, as they are both clearly enduring for many of the elements we listed.
@@VinceVenturella I am a fan of both games.
Blood Bowl is simpler to implement online and has been with fumbbl.com since many editions.
The NAF has been organizing world cups every 4 years and I already have attended to two of them.
As mordheim doesn't have a lot of fixed 'pitch' to play on, it's that more difficult to implement in a universal way.
I'm a little late to the party but I appreciate this video as someone new to Mordheim and Warhammer in general.
Mordheim is such a wonderfully designed game and I love it to this day.
@@VinceVenturella yeah, when I discovered City of the Damned about a year ago I immediately tried to sell many of my friends on it. I have been aware of Warhammer and 40k for many years but never appreciated how intellectually satisfying the games are until I spent some time playing Dawn of War II. After that, Mordheim COTD naturally grabbed my attention and I've been hooked ever since. Are you aware of broheim.net?
This popped up from my “Watch Later”
I’ve never seen TH-cam give a notification from “Watch Later”.
Vince, is this tomorrow’s announcement?
All it needs is a bit of balancing (maybe an emphasis on more randomness, terrain hazards, wandering neutral ai.) and it would be perfect.
It's really an amazing game and stand-out to this day.
I feel that the game has a lot of randomness build in. Because of the high variability.
There is an addition called random happenings or something like that. Which is great for introducing more random stuff.
When I assembled my sixth warband, I realized I had an addictive issue. I am practically obsessed with Mordheim.
I see no issues here, I have maybe a dozen warbands? Maybe more. :)
It's 16 years this October produced 1999
Seems crazy right? Time certainly flies. Still a great game and I remain hopeful about the rumors of a possible skirmish game contained within the next edition.
I've never played but this makes me wonder... could you use the Mordheim rules to run more of a table top RPG with one or two players (with small warbands working together) and a GM controlling the different enemies they come across? Would that work or is it a square peg in a round hole and you might as well use a regular RPG.
No, I think you could very much do so, I believe they did something like that for Warhammer Fantasy Role Play.
Thanks for the video, do you believe we will see it getting reprinted, now that the old world is alive again?
Eventually, I can't beleive they don't at some point.
Everything that you think is good about Mordheim you will also get in abundance from Necromunda and Blood Bowl, in fact Blood Bowl is by far the most intense, fast paced and stressful tabletop game i have ever played. I would give almost anything for GW/Forgeworld to occasionally run minis for the old specialist games :(
Im with you generally in defense of GWs business practices but i really think they underestimate the value of having a few games supported with a low cost to entry and easy campaign rules, even if they run at a loss they can attract customers to the hobby. Easier for a screaming kid to get Mommy to invest £100 into a game then £500+ then that kids visiting the store every week surrounded by other cool minis.
Agreed, I love the Specialist games. And I certainly agree on the barrier of entry, hopefully that is where we go with 9th so we have an easier entry point. Thanks for watching!
Vince Venturella It seems like such a no brainer for FW to pick up support for specialist games, the demand is there. GWs adamant refusal to do anything with these properties is the one thing about them that just utterly baffles me, its like our tears give them power :(.
For 9th i would love to see a sort of "Combined Arms" ruleset allowing for Mordhiem style skirmish campaigns and massive scale battles all from the same miniature pool. If they could pull something like that of well it would be an act of genius on GWs part imo.
Yes, Mordheim is soo good. I love the basic and I love the Empire in Flames etc.
Absolutely!
Excellent analysis! And I find it intriguing that Malifaux is totally copying Mordheim for its Campaign book currently in Beta.
There is an old saw that "good games borrow, great games steal." When something works, I don't think there is anything wrong with running with it (and hopefully, trying to build upon it even more).
Mordheim owes its existence to Necromunda which came out in ''95. This lead to Mordheim being created for fantasy with how much Necromunda pulled in the 40k players. Mordheim's rules and layout come directly from Necromunda.
Cs Dn Absolutely, the reality is, everything I say for Mordheim could pretty much go (more or less) for Necromunda or Blood Bowl, both of which also still have big followings and have many of the same strong points. My experience happens to be stronger in Mordheim, so I choose to stick to what I know. Thanks for watching and commenting.
8 years ago oh lord 😅
It has been a while for sure.
I love Mordheim.
Me too!
I tried to give Mordheim a chance, but like all fantasy, it's not for me, that's for sure.
Here are the disadvantages for me personally:
1. Square bases. (No. No and no again. Never!)
2. Fantasy world. (Never loved it. Again, I gave this a chance, but it's not for me).
3. Elitist community. Or even elitism². If fantasy fans consider themselves "firstborn" and "only true fans" above all, then Mordheim is "an elite of the elite."
More recently, an old friend of mine offered me to buy his original Mordheim band, but while looking for money, he sold it elsewhere. Unpleasant. As a result, there is not a single Mordheim model in my collection.
And one last thing: now everyone is talking about the return of Mordheim 2.0 along with the new old world. I pass. Thank you but no.
However if it was in the Mortal Realms, on the Ruins of Ulfenkarn, for example, it would interest me.
All fair. :)