Hated that.. They teased in the original promos for TFA that the force was strong in Lukes family and "you" have that power too.. then they show Rey. They purposely played on the OG fans wanting a true heir to Luke and/or Leia then pulled a twist. Star Wars was always a story based around the Skywalker family . They took Gen Xers childhood hero of the galaxy and turned him into a bitter old man. This movie was trash. Rian Johnson is a hack. Even Abrams couldn't course correct this dumpster fire with Rise of Skywalker. There was so much potential wasted... WASTED!!!
@@DannyCosmos yep, Force Awakens set up so much potential. Then they threw most of it away and just tossed in random stuff with cool visuals and thought the fan base would be so stunned we would not notice lazy writing.
You missed something while looking at the camera... Kylo wasn't the one who fired the shot that nearly killed Leia. He couldn't bring himself to fire on her. One of the other fighters fired that shot. Not judging...just letting you know.
Shanelle rambles (brings us her thoughts!) and in my opinion that is fine, that's in part why we are here for, what I would suggest is to stop the film if you are going to talk. A lot of reactors to songs stop the video with the song, talk, and continue with the song afterwards, or even go back to catch the last bit again and then continue reacting. That would be a great way of doing things IMO.
@@kyrosv1289 Stopping the movie makes sense for these YT reactions. Personally, I don't watch a reaction to a movie unless 2 conditions exist: it's a good movie that I've seen before. My pet peeve is when a reactor asks a pertinent question and then talks over the answer being given in the movie.
And there was enough unused footage cut out from this movie that they were able to have Leia appear in the final episode by writing scenes around that footage and re-composite her into the scenes when necessary.
If only the rebel leaders in the first Star Wars movies were so brave and wise as Admiral Holdo. All those imposing and invincible looking capital ships of the Empire like Vader's Super Star Destroyer or mabye even the Death Star could have been destroyed with a few well aimed frigates. Super easy, barely an Inconvenience.
@@uzul42 Frigade? You don't even need to suicide. Rig an asteroid with engines, hyperdrive and an autopilot/targeting system and go nuts. Potentially a lot more mass, and a whole lot cheaper.
"He's not really there!" Almost no one catches that Luke's beard and hair are different when he appears, and he's carrying a saber that was just destroyed 😅
The saber was the first thing i noticed when i first watched. I was like....wait a minute. Strange that so few ppl mention it. They always talk about his feet not disturbing the ground. But to me...him using his old saber was a dead give away that something was amiss
Well, Luke could have built himself a new saber, he had already done that in the original trilogy. But recognizing that it is exactly the same lightsaber was hard for me. I don't know about that point.
The main thing that bothered me about this movie was how it treated Finn. Stumbling around in a water bag was more clownish than anything Jar Jar Binks ever did, Rose mansplaining slavery to him on Canto Bight when HE WAS LITERALLY A CHILD SLAVE OF THE FIRST ORDER, his little side quest with Rose fails & doesn't matter anyway, his nemesis from the first movie Phasma has like 2 lines & then dies, his attempt to sacrifice himself fails & doesn't matter anyway, his relationship with Rey in the previous movie doesn't matter (do they even talk to each other in this movie?)... There are like 100 other problems I had with this movie, but Finn becoming a clueless chump is the one that makes me actually angry.
I never thought about Finn from that angle. I definitely see your point. The movie uses Finn as kind of an audience surrogate so the screenwriters can explain the rules to us through him, but you're right, they do take it too far and kind of de-protagonize him. That's well observed. Thanks, Subliminal Lime.
@@Bluerock121 It's a subjective judgment, but I see where Subliminal Lime is coming from. You and I have stepped in poop; you and I have been farted on by animals; but I am willing to bet neither of us ever walked down the halls of a battleship spraying water from the water-filled suit we were wearing.
@@jimballard1186 I mean not specifically cause it’s space stuff but we all wear uncomfortable stuff at doctors (gurneys or whatever) and looks literally in a diaper in empire. I think tonally jar jar is way worse but like you said it’s subjective
A funny thing happened to me when I went to see this movie. These are great movies to escape the reality of every day life. My girlfriend and I were lifelong Star Wars fan. We saw these movies as soon as they came out. Sadly, we did not get to see VIII together. She passed away a few weeks earlier. I went to see this episode by myself. As I was watching, the scenes with the crystal foxes came up. I cried and had a hard time keeping it together for the remainder of the film. My girlfriend's name was Crystal Fox. RIP mi amor.
I feel like the humor does not really work in this at all. It doesn’t feel like the kind of humor that should be in a Star Wars movie but rather them trying to make it feel more like a marvel movie. I don’t like what they turned Luke into. I agree with Mark Hammil. I wanted to see the hero Luke. My positives for this movie are that it looks amazing. It’s my favorite looking Star Wars movie. Just gorgeous. I also really liked Kelly Marie Tran as Rose. I really didn’t care for much else though. I also hated that the two big things that they set up in the first movie were, Who is Snoke and who are Rey’s parents. And Rian Johnson’s answers were to kill Snoke without explaining him at all and just saying Rey’s parents were no one and moving on. It felt hugely unsatisfying at the time and still does to me. I also didn’t understand why Holdo was being such a dick to Poe. So overall, I just don’t love the way they took the story. But it sure does look great
Holdo was a dick to Poe because Poe got a lot of people killed and a fleet's worth of ship's destroyed in service of nothing but his own ego. He disobeyed orders, killed almost the entire fleet, and gained nothing for the Resistance.
Great review! When I watched this in theaters the entire audience choked up when R2 played the hologram, and lost it at the dedication. Her loss was still so fresh and raw. Like so many middle ground parts of trilogies, there were training montages, unresolved conflict, kindled love, and comedy to keep us rolling and hanging on to the "conclusion in the next chapter.
Once you find out Holdo's plan you realize all Poe had to do is walk down to the hanger and ask any other pilot. Rose's story arc makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
Poe didn't do that because he's dumb. It's not a bad script, he's just dumb. Same with Finn. And Holdo. And Luke. And Leia. And Snoke. And Hux. And the space cow. It's not a bad script, it's a great script and it's not the writers fault all the charachters are dumb. It's just bad luck he was asked to write a script with dumb charachters.
@@SierraSierraFoxtrot Holdo would have had to make an actual order that no one on that entire ship tell Poe, Finn, Rose or anyone who helped in the mutiny the plan
I won't bash anyone that likes this movie. Opinions are just that and everyone is allowed to have theirs. That said, I hate this movie almost completely. I won't go into all the reasons as they have been much more eloquently expressed by others in many places. I will say this though. I think your enjoyment of this comes from what kind of movie watcher you are. I'm a nerd. I love background details. I'm the guy that had the blueprints for the Enterprise an when he was six. I dig into the little details of my fandoms. I'm a nerd. Because of my enjoyment of those elements, when they get broken or changed without explanation, it breaks my emersion in the story. It's why I have trouble with this movie. So many things just don't match with the details I spent my entire life enjoying about Star Wars. My sister, she loves this movie. She thinks I am too judgemental about it. She however has never wondered why we haven't just used "the haldo manuver" in every other bettle before this. It just never occured to her. She isn't wrong. She just watches movies in a different way. I think what happened with the sequel trilogy from Disney is that they wanted to bring in new fans and not consider those of us that have been studying the small details for decades. I'm not even gonna bash that choice. I get it, it's a business at the end of the day. Just sucks that my enjoyment of something I grew up loving has fallen off because the creators no longer care if I care.
I do judge people who think it's good. They have no taste in cinema. This movie is the secind wirst movie I have ever seen, and I'm certain Ruin Johnson made it so on purpose.
1:10 - Wait...WhAt?! That's perfectly logical! In New Hope Obi Wan only showed Luke how to feel and control the force, but he was always able to use it. Those are the rules in this universe. How can people be that thick?
Loove that you watched and reacted to this despite the previous comments. Thank you. I grew up on Star Wars. Definitely respect Hamill's disagreement with the script, but I actually have been more and more convinced that it was consistent with his youthful character concerned about the future to a fault. I've also lived through enough years to see how absolutely devastating the moral failures of a trusted person / institution can be to an otherwise hopeful & fierce person. I love that Star Wars became relateable in that way through Luke's character.
After the comfort blanket that was "The Force Awakens", Rian Johnson went full Empire with this. He got so much right here. The revelation that Rey's parents were nobody and, in fact, inconsequential was genius. The idea that you don't need to be descended from a certain family or bloodline to be a hero was the perfect message for any kid watching this. The idea of Luke sending a projection of himself to help Leia after she sent one of herself asking for help in Ep IV (R2 using the hologram to change Luke's mind was superb). And for my money, this allowed Hamill to give his best performance in the saga. People wanted Luke to show up as the poster boy they remember. But he was never that. Luke (pre Jedi) was always impatient, easily frustrated and too quick to act. And let's not forget that he actually turns to the dark side (albeit momentarily) when he tries to strike Palatine down and is stopped by Vader. "The Last Jedi" took narrative risks and moved the story forward in exactly the same unexpected ways that Empire did back in the day. People taking shots at this movie seem to forget just what a narrative hand-grenade Empire was after the happy ending of A New Hope. It absolutely tore things to pieces, sending the story in directions that totally unsettled viewers who were expecting more of the same. That's exactly what Rian Johnson did here.
Well I'm glad you have a level of trust for the screenwriters because.. There was no plan. Feel free to read from the countless articles on how none of the directors including the one that left the third project before filming had any idea where this was truly going
The hate for this movie, and almost every subsequent Star wars project, is totally overblown. And the haters seem to feel the need to spread their bile across the web instead of letting people form their own opinion. I saw the original Star wars when I was six. I liked this movie. The only part I didn't really get into was the casino planet. I also hated the fact that Luke died but it did serve the plot.
I went from enjoying this movie at the premiere night, to feeling confused and then disliking it, to just accepting it but not loving it. It’s a thrill, definitely great for a wider audience. My least favorite thing is how they dismantled Luke’s character. Yes people are fallible, but the man literally risked everything to save his father from the dark side, the man who murdered his Jedi peers and several children, yet Luke almost didn’t hesitate to assassinate his nephew, the son of his sister and best friend because he thought he might turn evil. Even Mark Hamill isn’t fond of how his character was handled. But in the end, no one loves Star Wars in the same way. And your take is a nice break from the same take as everyone else. It’s the same as people who enjoy the prequels compared to those who think the prequels ruined Star Wars.
The problem with Rey isn't that she is a powerful Force user. The problem is that she uses ADVANCED Jedi powers with ZERO training. There are certain Jedi powers that are innate, requiring zero training. Premonitions and fast reflexes, for example. Others REQUIRE training. Lightsaber fighting, mind tricks, telekinesis, etc, all REQUIRE training to master. Male or female doesn't matter. If ANY character is written so poorly, people will hate it. Take real life runner Steve Prefontaine for example. As a high school student he was undefeated in every foot race he ran, due to pure talent. When he was recruited by an Olympic track coach, the coach found that Prefontaine's technique was abysmal. Even with all of his natural talent, Prefontaine still needed to be TRAINED to run properly. And once he took those lessons to heart, he was virtually unbeatable. And that was for RUNNING. For something as complex as martial arts, or in a fantasy setting, magic? It should be FAR more necessary. In fact, it IS far more necessary. There are a lot of other writing issues with these movies. Especially The Last Jedi and The Rise Of Skywalker. Like Leia and Holdo keeping their plans secret from Poe and the others. There's literally zero reason for doing this, and it caused more problems than it prevented. Rose stopping Finn from sacrificing himself because she's apparently in love with him (something that came completely out of left field with no build up throughout the entire movie). Luke going from believing that his father (who he barely knew and was fully aware that he had murdered thousands, if not millions, of innocent people) could be redeemed, yet was willing to murder his nephew who he helped raise, just for having a bad dream. Ben Solo wanting to join the Dark Side for no reason. Count Dooku and Anakin Skywalker both had legitimate reasons for wanting to join The Dark Side. But apparently all it took Snoke to convince Ben was to say "Come to The Dark Side. We have cookies." to convince him. I'll leave it here, because as both a writer and a Star Wars fan I could be here all day listing each and every thing that Ruin Johnson did wrong with this movie. I will say that this is a very pretty looking movie. The visual effects were top notch. But if you take a huge crap in a box, then do the most amazing job of wrapping it in the prettiest wrapping paper available, you still have a huge pile of crap in a box.
* There are certain Jedi powers that are innate, requiring zero training. Premonitions and fast reflexes, for example. Others REQUIRE training. Lightsaber fighting, mind tricks, telekinesis, etc, all REQUIRE training to master. * Based on what? This is all headcannon that fans have made for themselves, with none of that actually being written in stone anywhere. Literal babies levitate objects with the force in the Clone Wars animated series, and you can't argue that they've had any training. No, the Force is based on faith and understanding. And Rey takes to it because she grew up believing the Force is real, wanting all of it to be true, while Luke fails because he is riddled with doubt. It's genuinely disappointing to me that a generation of fans watched "The Empire Strikes Back" and learned that if only Luke had believed in himself he could have lifted that X-wing out of the swamp. And then they watch The Last Jedi and replaced that lesson with "If Luke couldn't do it, Rey definitely couldn't."
@@osgoodbad I’ve seen every episode of The Clone Wars. I don’t remember ever seeing an infant using the Force to lift any objects. Which episode was this. Are you taking about the episodes where Asoka was teaching younglings? You do realize that those children had been trained in the Jedi arts their entire lives right? Are you talking about Grogu in The Mandalorian? He was also trained in the Jedi arts before Order 66 happened. Not fully trained, mind you, but he had learned enough to at least levitate objects. Anakin wasn’t able to levitate objects or wield a lightsaber immediately in Episode 1, and he was literally BORN of the Force. He lived during the height of the Jedi’s power. He had heard stories of what they could do. Yet he couldn’t do anything other than fly due to his Jedi reflexes. Yet Ma-Rey Sue, who grew up in a world where the Jedi were considered a myth, can use Jedi Mind Tricks, Telekinesis, fight with a lightsaber, telepathically communicate with Cry-Lo Ren, and all without ANY training? And why? Vagina power? THAT is bad writing.
@@Thundarr100 The Clone Wars Season 2 Episode 3, Children of the Force. The episode where they want to kidnap the force sensitive children, it shows a Rodian infant levitating a ball by instinct.
Johnson's nod to Rashomon here is brilliant. Kurosawa's influence on Lucas is well known (The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai), and Johnson was able to tie the "different points of view" theme directly back to one of Kurosawa's most important films. Really incredible filmmaking. Additionally, the young children at the end harkens back to those within my generation whose experience with the story of Luke (as a modern fairy tale) was fundamentally defined by our own imaginations - friends playing with action figures on "improvised battlefields," retelling the story as well as our own creative ones. The hero's journey was something that of course we related to - but beyond the celebration of the yearning hope in the undiscovered power of the powerless (a fragility which all children know intuitively), there was a sense of the nobility of the cause - the sacrificial commitment to the downtrodden. In this sense, what made Luke extraordinary wasn't just his power, but his character (and Johnson excellently captured the struggle with failure in this regard). As the film ends with the child looking up to the stars with his makeshift toy saber held in salute, I couldn't help but think of how many of us who grew up with the originals could see elements of their own childhood in that moment. I viewed it as a profound tip of the cap to that which had given us so much.
The fact that people hated this movie so much, is such a tragedy. I thought it was brilliant. Because of the haters, and JJ bowing to the backlash, they destroyed 9.
27:45 - That actually happened to Mark Ferrari, the illustrator on several early LucasFilm Games adventure titles, when he got in touch with Ron Gilbert and Gary Wynick for Thimbleweed Park!
Glad you liked it! Also, happy to learn that I'm not the only one who hits IMDB trivia after watching something for the first time. 😀 At the end of the day, it's a SW movie, and not worth getting worked up over. And glad that he swung for the fence at least.
A dreadnought was a type of extremely powerful warship first designed in the late 19th Century. It was one of the first steam powered warships built mostly from steal and heavy armor plates. With it's huge guns and heavy armor it was built to be invincible, so it didn't have to fear anything, thus the name "Dreadnaught" Since it has been a term used for any heavily armed and armored warship, fictional or real. A dreadnought is basically a very heavy battleship.
@@nikkiparksy You are talking about the Dreadnought Class. I am talking about the dreadnought type of ship. The first is a proper noun (thus capital D) the latter is not (thus lower case d) Of course a space ship is not going to be a Dreadnought Class ship.
@@erictaylor5462 That is actually the same thing. Dreadnought's are only called Dreadnought's because of HMS Dreadnought . It was the 1st so all that came after are called after her . Just try a search using that program that everyone now call's ( Googled ) because funnily enough, just like HMS Dreadnought , (is a Dreadnought class ) the company that created it is called Google. If you can understand the distinction .
@@nikkiparksy So, I looked it up, as you suggested, and guess what I found? "The ship's entry into service in 1906 represented such an advance in naval technology that her name came to be associated with an entire generation of battleships, the "dreadnoughts", *AS WELL AS* the class of ships named after her." Notice the "as well as"? That means they type of ship (heavily armed and armored) is not the same thing as the *CLASS* of ship (the Dreadnought Class) that is, the ships built to the same design as HMS Dreadnought. The ship referred to in this scene is clearly not a Dreadnought Class battleship, nor is it remotely like any sort of battleship of that era. I remember a cartoon in the 1980's that had a spaceship that looked like a WWII battleship, but I really don't think any of the early 20th Century battleships would function well in outer space. They have no way to maneuver in space, and they have no way to keep the crews alive in space. Clearly the term "dreadnought" here is used to mean a heavily armed and armored ship, not a Dreadnought class ship. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1906)
Edit: I saw this in the theater with my folks, and we were all disappointed. Like, wtf was that? Do I even care about Star Wars anymore? I did not see the next one in the theater. :End_Edit Basically, every cliffhanger/question Ep.7 left open was closed by Ep.8 with nothing new to take their place. I thought the jokes were only slightly above Jar Jar, and just weirdly timed. What is Kylo Ren's purpose for taking up Snoke's fight? There's the frustratingly pointless Casino planet. If someone rams your car at like 50 mph, maybe that's not a good way to save your life?
I'm convinced RJ made this movie bad on purpose. There are too many awful choices in it. Yo mama jokes. Space cow. Laura Dern with a purple wig. Finn is a clown. Leia Poppins. Stupid plans. Hacker with a stammer. Snoke dues like a bitch. Bad lightsaber fight. Garrish colour schemes. Sped up footage of plants growing. The lost goes an and I have not seen this movie in 5 years but I can't forget.
There's a hidden "I've got a bad feeling" line in this film. At the beginning, BB-8 makes some sounds and Poe replies "Happy beeps!" What BB-8 was saying is "I have a bad feeling about this".
The large majority of moviegoers felt the same. Me too. It's good to see the good in something that made it hard to feel good about. Did that make sense
It took so many people until Episode 9 to see the issues with Disney Star Wars, but I felt uneasy after Episode 7 and Episode 8 showed that the trilogy was dead on arrival to me.
This was Carrie Fisher’s final film where she was directly involved; she died on December 27, 2016, and this film was dedicated to her memory. Her next film Star Wars Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker (2019), would be in form of previously unused footage from Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens (2015).
I LOVE this movie. This is my favorite Star Wars movie. I could write an entire treatise on it. But the shortest version is: this is the first star wars movie that legitimately surprised me, challenged me, and it made me think, laugh, and feel more than any other Star Wars movie.
I throughly enjoyed this film. I was in the theater for the first trilogy and I love this trilogy as well! It actually did make some important points about the force, relationships, connections and what's worth fighting for in life. "Who are you? Who do you want to be?" are important questions in this film. Also, I loved that direction they were going with the idea of the Force being accessible to folks who weren't part of the elite "chosen" (Jedi/Sith), channeling it as an "Everyman" ability. You enjoy so many of the things that the fanboys hated...and I enjoyed as well. I'm with you on the split storylines, Shanelle.
Agreed. This is my favorite Star Wars movie, and maybe my favorite Star Wars piece of media ever (I'm not sure if I like the novelization of Return of the Jedi better than this movie, with all its delightfully weird linguistic flourishes). I like to dream about a Star Wars universe where Episode 9 had followed through on the promises of this movie.
It's perfectly coherent when you realise the director's intention: to destroy Star Wars. Everything in this movie is made to destroy the rules of SW and humiliate the characters.
It's simply not true. Even when things subvert expectations, as long as they COULD be possible, then they are valid in a story. All three movies make total sense to me. There is not anything that is impossible in this universe that does happen. In some ways, even more than the original six films, because Lucas shoehorned and forgot so many elements when making both. If he had known Leia was Luke's brother, it's doubtful he would have them romantically linked initially, or at least it's likely in Return that he would have made the reveal of their relationship more awkward for everyone. Instead it was done through quick expositions and then mostly glossed over. In the sequels, Rey was a mystery from the beginning, her memories obviously repressed, her burgeoning powers not easy to understand, and, ultimately it all finally made sense. All the other elements worked as well. Most of us should be going, of course Sideous was the "phantom menace" behind the scenes all along. Of course he would have found the way to cheat death. How sensical it was that his theme was clearly evident during Snoke's interrogation of Rey, and so many more moments that all make sense now. They don't make sense to those who's expectations were totally deflated and who don't want them to make sense. When you just go for the ride, it becomes a fun, big picture
I must admit I was one of those who was very disappointed in the movie when watching it in the cinema. To me, the tone an humour just felt a bit off and a lot more like a Marvel movie than Star Wars. I also thought the run-time was way too long and dragged out, with too many unnecessary filler plots that didn't lead anywhere. Most of all though, I think a lot of people, including myself, were very disappointed in what the movie did with Luke, who didn't feel at all like the character from the original. Original Luke would never try to kill his nephew in his sleep even if he "felt evil in him", and I feel like the movie did a very bad job in explaining how and why he got to that stage.
Nope. The red guys are just some generic guards they came up with to be like Palpatine's Royal Guards which were also red. Because guards wear red armor always.
I lost it like 5 times throughout this movie. Watch it again. This movie is so dense it’s easy to miss many details. I’m so happy you liked it! I also felt this was the most beautifully shot SW film.
6:40 a Dreadnought is a type of ship that is larger than your average Star Destroyer, if I recall correctly they come in at around 5000+ meters in length on average. The Executor class Dreadnought was around 18000 meters in length. Then you also have the Supremacy Class Mega Star Destroyers such as Snoke's ship which is a insane 60000 meters in width.
There aren't many movie reactors that I enjoy watching. You're one of the ones that I do though. I always look forward to your thoughts on the movie, cause you actually have something to say.
Try Cinebinge. George has taught me more about movvies than I have dreamed possible (like in the Godfather II as the dons are slicing up cake whilst slicing up territory in Cuba).
After spending the whole movie being opposite to what and who Luke Skywalker is, we didn't get Luke, we got a bastardized version. Luke was bound by hope, he had hope, he would have never even thought to strike Kylo down, not even for a second. The Luke from ROTJ and beyond would NOT have done that. Even Mark Hamill agrees, he did not like this Luke and only played him because he knew he wanted to please the fans on screen one last time before he dies of old age.
@@SajirouPlays I think you're building a very lionized mythology of Luke in your head. Luke of ROTJ never would have thought to strike Kylo down or lost hope, huh? So it was hope that had him screaming in berserker fury and chopping Darth Vader into chunky salsa before he realized what he was doing?
If you've ever wondered how little tolerance some people have... There were enough complaints in the few seconds near the end that there was a sign by the theater that said "There is a moment in this film where there is no sound. This is intentional, not a defect with our equipment." This movie suffered from two directors with different views. It went A B A, and each pretty much tears down what the other tried to set up. You'll see it more after the third one.
I think it's not as much having different directors (which the original trilogy did as well), but not having someone guide a vision for the overall trilogy, which makes it feel less coherent. As a result it does make the three parts feel more detached from each other.
Ah yes, the movie that put a lightsaber right through the heart of the Star Wars franchise. Once Han Solo was killed off, then Luke, I was done. Mission accomplished RJ.
I don't understand how anyone with the least bit of movie know-how can miss how atrocious this movie is. I am convinced Ruin Johnson made this movie bad on purpose. Every scene in this movie contains has something in it to break immersion or destroy a bit of the universe.
I agree with you that Ep 7 worked for me despite it being a pretty straightforward copy of ANH and I was so excited to see Rey, Finn, to a lesser degree Poe, Phasma, Knights of Ren, Kylo, etc... But, this movie. Holy poop, this movie. I don't want to begrudge the people who do like it (though I will question their sanity lol), but this movie just really made me clench my jaws, but I also want to actually talk about it w/o referring to others as utter idiots, morons, etc, etc. They can't help it, they're not sane... I kid! I kid! Anyway, I'm making this comment at the beginning of the video so I am looking forward to what your thoughts will be, regardless of whether you will like this movie or not.
The movie I think you should watch is the animated movie The Secret of Nimh (1982). It is truly a classic. So much nostalgia but an interesting visual style. One of Don Bluth's best works
One of the things I really liked was what seems to be presented in the force cave to Rey. I think so much is built up around the Force having a purpose or intent, the way most religions try to ascribe meaning. In the cave she's presented with a truth - there is no meaning or intent with the force, all there is is what you do with it. The implication being that Sith realize this and just focus on using the force for their own personal gain. The true test of the force is seeing this revelation and choosing to do something good and selfless with it.
Luke's first time seeing Leia, she's a projection from a droid: & the last time Leia sees Luke, he's a Force projection. But when Leia takes Luke's hand, then it cuts to her face, you see she immediately registers it: and it's beautiful. Carrie Fisher does a lot of facial/visual response cuing this, & still as Leia just thankful he's answered her hope...it's a subtle & fantastic final performance from her. And, her Force power being death-defying is always how I imagined her, even as a kid. Lucas's debt to Akira Kurosawa is all over this movie, especially in the final duel between Luke & Kylo. Tied for my favorite Star Wars episode, after "The Empire Strikes Back."
There's something seriously wrong with you as a Star Wars fan if you even want to like this film, I'm not going to name call, or even yell at you for giving this film the time of day. There's just something seriously wrong, that's all.
I think this movie would have been significantly better if they ended it when Leia was blown our of the bridge and had her die. It would have left a hole in fans and would have been a better send-off for her since she had passed before the film was released.
I lost it a couple of times in the battle scenes when they showed Leia. There was a lump in my throat every scene (just about) that had her. And then the actual finality of seeing the tribute in print to her at the end. That, was a big lost it moment. I welled up watching you watch it and don't think I will ever be able to watch this and not well up or have the room extra dusty causing wet eyes. The whole theater was sniffling and crying. Leia is a magnificent character, an epic one at that. Love your reactions, lady.
I'm sure loads of comments said this, but no, Fisher's death in no way impacted the plot/script. The only effect it had was the end credits "in memory..." thing. The role Leia has in the film was written the way it was and filmed the way it was months before she passed away. Rather it was ep9 The Rise of Skywalker that was made completely without the actress who of course had passed years before shooting began. Leia as a character in ep9 was written around the preexisting unreleased footage they had laying around of Fisher.
In theaters I was just staring at the screen going "They ruined star wars." Maybe its her not paying close enough attention to the story, or not being a writer, or not having the years and years of life reading the Star Wars books that are now Legend and seeing all these wonderful post ROTJ stories in the years following its release but the whole thing just urked me the wrong way. I won't go into specifics because we'd be here all day and I'd just have a million people telling me why I'm wrong. I'm just going to say I didn't like it, that's my opinion and leave it at that rather than enter into a whole meaningless discussion about something that won't matter when I'm dead in 30 years.
I thought the slow space chase was boring as was the casino planet side quest. Minor nitpicks. The only _big_ issue I had with the film was that I don't feel they properly conveyed and set up the fact that Luke was dying. When we find out he was on the island all along we're all like "whew he was never in any danger". Sure he was breathing heavily but for me and many other viewers, we were very confused when his body suddenly disappeared. Very unpleasant viewing experience. The death of the main legacy character shouldn't make you scratch your head in confusion. (and before someone says "but Kylo hinted that force projecting one's self could be deadly" to try to claim the film _did_ set up Luke's death, no I do _not_ think a rushed and mumbled 5 word line is sufficient set up for the death of the OG main character of the whole franchise)
I totally agree with you. In episode 1, qui gon tells us that the reason Annie can race those cars is that he is using the force. He had no training, he was just powerful. I thought the same thing, that Rey had to be the most powerful with the force just because she is. Also, i love the fact that they show her going right to the dark side.. Her personality is that of someone who, say, sees a house fire and runs right in to investigate and help, or fix it.. she has no fear, she just runs to the dark to help. Anyway, great reaction. Thank you.
Having fast reflexes (eg Anakin) is one thing, but knowing Jedi mind tricks without training is something totally different - why can't you apologists get this?!
I guess the decade of training Anakin had was just a waste of time, not to mention the entire temple dedicated to training force sensitive children from birth. Turns out they could have all just winged it!
@@Paul_1971 They don't get it because what you said is demonstrably untrue. Rey can do Jedi mind tricks, so what you are saying is by definition fanon rather than canon. If you need justification for it, Snoke tells Ren in Episode 7 that there's been an awakening; since no one ever defines what an awakening means or what abilities it imparts, let's just say an awakening apparently means you can do Jedi mind tricks.
She also had her own form of training that I guess the haters can't understand. She grew up in survival mode. She already knew how to fight with a staff. She was climbing around inside the guts of a giant wrecked star ship. She wasn't just some rando that happened to start using the force for the first time with a Jedi mind trick. Most of her life was the training she needed, with force sensitivity helping her along the entire way. If little Anakin had to fight as a child instead of just growing up around vehicle and parts, he might have been a bit more like Rey too, instead of just using his reflexes to fly a pod in a race.
@@robertreichle1 Plus, she's a Star Wars fan. She sleeps in a Star Wars bed, makes Star Wars dolls to play with, and cosplays in Star Wars merch. She's been listening to stories about Luke and his powers for a significant portion of her life, to judge by her reaction to finding out it's real. Rey is basically what would happen if a Harry Potter fan was given a wand: she'd have a lot of base knowledge just from having read the books already.
The dreadnought (alternatively spelled dreadnaught) was the predominant type of battleship in the early 20th century. The first of the kind, the Royal Navy's HMS Dreadnought, had such an impact when launched in 1906.
Well, Shanelle? You've heard everyone talk about how this was a shit trilogy. I just hope this reinforces in you to ignore the haters and make up your own mind as you do.
So glad you liked The Last Jedi. It’s my favorite of the sequel trilogy. I find Luke’s Force projection to be the most awesome use of Force power we’ve ever seen.
Carrie fisher was alive during the whole production ... she died after it wrapped... the next movie is the one that uses existing footage... Great reaction...always very thoughtful.
Shanelle, I totally love how in tune thou art with these story-lines and characters. It is so refreshing when a film-going and film-making commentator genuinely invests their time with their reaction material, understanding and loving what they watch. Thou must knowest how beloved thou art and greatly appreciated thy reaction videos are. I also value that any critiques and criticisms shared by thee are from a background in understanding storytelling and film-making. "Make 'Critiques' Balanced Again!" 😉 L.o.l. P.S. The Force Awakens The Last Jedi. Neato sentence, huh?
6:40 A dreadnaught was a pre-world war one type of battleship that was a revolution in naval sea power. It had very powerful engines, guns, and armor compared to predecessors. Ever since then it has been used to designate a ship that is superior and firepower, maneuverability and survivability
The best way to describe why I dislike TLJ is to quote from Rian himself. The following is a transcript from the DVD/Blu Ray that you won't see on Disney+ which tells you how Disney feels about his views: The force is not a superpower, the force is not just about being able to throw things across the room. I wanted in this movie to do a little bit of a reset lesson especially for kids who are coming to these movies for the first time. In terms of the force as like as a mystical concept as Yoda describes it, it’s a thing that all living beings create, its kind of energy between all living things. Luke is closed off to the force when we first meet him and that made sense to me for a lot of reasons. I needed to find a way in to why he’s on that island that wasn’t just him hiding and being a coward. So the thing that made sense to me is that he’s actually come to realize that the galaxy thinks it wants the Jedi back, the Jedi have done nothing but add to the problems of the universe and the most selfless act he can do is to do what he couldn’t do in the Empire Strikes Back and ignore the calls of help from his friends and lock himself off. And suddenly it turns to this kind of predicament he has to hold. He would love to jump back in and help everybody but he’s realized that if he brings the Jedi back into this then the Sith are going to rise up again and the whole thing is going to start again and its just going to be more more misery. The Jedi have to die so that the light can rise from a new source that will maybe work better. The above is Rian’s comments about how he approached writing and directing Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Rian has a severely misunderstood view of the Force, Jedi and Luke based on all the episodic films and canon of the Star Wars universe. To start off with it is necessary to state that what Luke or any character or group would do is not based on reality as Star Wars is fiction but on what the writer and director of the particular film may decide. Also it needs to be reminded that Star Wars episodic films operate in a trilogy format. It’s like one big story arc with smaller stories spread over 3 films. The OT was about the rise of the rebellion overcoming the Empire and how the Jedi get resurrected. The Prequels were about how Anakin becomes Darth Vader and the rise of the Empire and the near annihilation of the Jedi. When Disney purchased the rights to obtain Star Wars and announced that there would be another trilogy with Luke, Han and Leia, I knew that by the end of Episode 9 that those 3 characters would either be dead or riding off into the sunset (not dead but like a hermit). This was fine for me as so much time had passed since they last appeared together. In Episode 7 I liked how JJ did Han’s death. It showed how much Han loved his son and people need to deal with that because Harrison was only going to do that film and you can’t replace Harrison Ford with another actor for the role of Han Solo. I was surprised to see Luke pass away in Episode 8 because we didn’t see him at all until the very last scene in 7 and figured since he is one of the main characters, if not the main character, Disney would want him for Episode 9 before writing him out. Unlike some people who detested the film, there were parts that I loved. For one I did love when the Millennium Falcon was pursued by all the Tie-Fighters on Crait and led them down into the caverns. That was great. Rian’s comments become the starting point for the problem of TLJ because if you don’t understand the previous Star Wars films then the film becomes poorly written and directed. Furthermore his comments above are contradicted by how his film was written and directed. For example he says that the Force is not a superpower. Then what is a superpower when Leia resurrects her dead body from space early in the film. The music in that scene is “force” music (music that is played in other scenes in other films where the force is being used) and saving yourself from certain death is the textbook definition of a superpower. It was that power that led Anakin to abandon the Jedi and become a Sith so that Padme is around him. Then Rian says, “the Jedi have done nothing but add to the problems of the universe”. Horse huey. Sure, the Jedi share some responsibility in the rise of the Empire and Palpatine. The Prequels make that clear. However that represents only a small portion of the timespan of the Jedi. If the Jedi existence throughout the history of the Republic (thousand of generations) was like what we saw in the Prequels then they would have been defeated long ago. Again Rian didn’t identify the Jedi at the time of the Prequels but “the Jedi” which covers their entire history. Another mistake. Luke says that he went to the Ach-to to die and was amazed that Rey and Chewbacca could find it. Umm, Episode 7 showed Luke leaving a “bread crumb” trail to him. That’s not wanting to hide but waiting for the right moment for Rey and the resistance to find Luke. Also if the Jedi have to die, then why did Luke say that he won’t be the last Jedi in a reference to Rey at the end of the film. Next Rian says, “the most selfless act he can do is to do what he couldn’t do in the Empire Strikes Back and ignore the calls of help from his friends and lock himself off”. Again another misunderstanding. It is true that Luke made a mistake confronting Vader how he did in ESB. The mistake, imho, is that Luke was walking into a trap that Vader had setup. You don’t walk into traps as a general rule unless you have something up your sleeve. This wasn’t the case when Luke went to Bespin. We can learn in ROTJ about how that should have gone. When Luke goes to Yoda in ROTJ he says I have come back to complete my training. Yoda replies that Luke needs no more training. Luke then says he is a Jedi at which Yoda vehemently denies that saying, one thing stands in the way of that and that he needs to confront Vader, then, only then will Luke be a Jedi. From that we can conclude that Luke, had he followed Obi-Wan and Yoda’s advice in ESB would have confronted Vader at a certain point but not in that instance. Then Rian says, “He would love to jump back in and help everybody but he’s realized that if he brings the Jedi back into this then the Sith are going to rise up again and the whole thing is going to start again and its just going to be more more misery.” Well first off he did get back in sort of when he appeared in Ghost form on Crait to give the Resistance time to escape. Secondly did Rian not see Episode 7? The Sith via Snoke and Kylo, ALREADY rose up. Finally Rian says, “The Jedi have to die so that the light can rise from a new source that will maybe work better.” Again flawed understanding. Of course the Jedi should learn from their past mistakes (e.g. prequels) but then why did Luke say he won’t be the the last Jedi. Even if you liked TLJ with Carrie Fisher passing away, the way the film ended (with Leia very much alive), then it presents a real problem cinematically with Episode 9. Considering that Rogue One and Solo had massive re-shoots to do due to director’s being fired or creative differences Disney should have looked into TLJ after it was done initially filming and suggest re-shoots considering that Leia is very much alive at the end of TLJ.
Shanelle, I'll be fifty in a month. I started out playing music when I was nine and then began writing music seriously when I was around 17. I began reading a lot around that time. I had dropped out of high school due to family trauma. I was told by a very famous musician around that time that my songs were really solid and catchy. I attributed that to my dedication to reading and learning my craft. I tried to get into a college after getting my GED but couldn't get the loans. I began writing long-form poems and short stories after that and sold a few to some publishers. Nothing fancy. Then, the internet started taking off and I started looking into script writing and movie making. I never took it to a career, but now I can determine what's what, and whether or not it was a bad production design, or bad decisions, or lack of budget, or bad direction, or a bad script... Bad actors, lighting... on and on. But seeing your reactions are so cool. You know your stuff. Love your channel! *side note* I was watching a B-movie horror movie with my roommate. Scene was two guys in what should have been a completely dark forest and they were lit up. And, off in the near distance there was a blue light for ambiance. I lost my shit when I saw that scene. The blue light wasn't explained and the lit up main scene could have been done with flashlights. That would have made it creepier! I walked off and told my roommate, "I can't watch this."
The problem with this movie was in the stuff you edited out. The Rose and Finn sidequest is pointless and could have been used for something real. Also, imagine that Ackbar was the one to do the hyperspace jump instead of some character we've never seen. Luke's death looking at the suns from right to left (into the past) is a reflection of his scenes in Ep 4 where he is looking at the suns from left to right (into the future.) It's beautifully done and it makes me wish that every part of the movie was that good. As has been the case for many of these, I like that you had a positive reaction to a movie that I didn't love.
I don't understand why people think it doesn't make sense that Rey already had some control over the Force without any training. The Jedi have a long history of showing us that some people are born with innate ability. Anakin and Luke were both superior pilots in part because of the Force before they were trained. It makes perfect sense to me that Rey has abilities without training.
14:36 - Yeah, that face sums up my feeling towards the writing and general direction of this particular trilogy. Though there are some good moments here and there.
What can anyone say, it’s a movie conglomerate. Consumers like what they like. For some, they like acting, writing, special effects, cg, practical, do I wish they wouldn’t rewrite the past, eh, to the victor goes the spoils. I can still choose to watch what I want.
Ultimately the plot has no real consequences. The resistance could have just stayed on the planet and been destroyed in a surprise attack for the same result.
@@LordVolkov Entire rebel base was successfully evacuated and then Luke was extensively trained. On the Imperial side Vader and the Emperor tried to trap and convert Luke.
@@Reactordrone 'tried to trap and convert Luke' So ESB gets points for trying and failing, but in TLJ, trying and failing is a waste of time? Got it 👍 And I wouldn't call Luke's Dagobah training 'extensive' 😅 He ignores most of Yoda's real advice (the cave, lifting the x-wing, running to face Vader). By your logic, TLJ's plot goes thusly - The rebels evacuate successfully and decimate a FO fleet. On the FO side, Kylo betrays his master (the most sith move ever) and claims power.
There was a wildfire near Mark Hamel's home and everyone had to evacuate. One of the firefighters entered Mark's back yard and saw him sitting in his living room perfectly still. The fire fighter broke down the door to rescue him, only to realize it was a lifelike dummy.
The characterization of Luke was jarringly inconsistent with the character depicted in the earlier films, comics, and novels. It was subversion of expectations, but in service of nothing.
Carrie, RIP, didn't get written out of this. Each of the OG three cast mates were supposed to be the focus of a movie and Carrie's was going to be the third. She died between the movies, though, and the third movie was affected. We were blessed to get her in it at all. I loved this.
Yeah that and what Poe was doing in this movie were the two things that were just wastes, and not good character growth, he conducts a munity because he does not trust the leaders? and they just stun him and then all is good again? It doesn't work that way, you do that and no one can ever trust you again, or at least not for a long time. AND the entire Finn story was worthless, they did nothing to add any value how do you waste your heroes for that? it was just meaningless fluff, my one last beef is Finn's sacrifice to destroy the cannon would have been heroic, and Rose stopping that was not good. If Luke had not made his video phone-call to save the day Rose's action would have doomed them all.
LOL! Your expression in this video's still shot reminds me of actress Juliette Lewis in the Christmas comedy Mixed Nuts when she's yelling at her boyfriend Felix!
My only critique of episode 8 is it didn't feel like part 2 of a trilogy. It concluded too much. Killing off Snope (who even was he) it's not clear what direction the concluding part would go in. Disney clearly didn't have a clue either because they turned out the train wreck that was episode 9. I'm amazed to hear JJ Abrams said this was good, as he made 9 a pissing contest more concerned with undoing 8 than telling a story that made any sense.
Snoke was a leader, he deceived and trained Kylo. That's all that was needed. Just like in the OT little was known about the emperor. He was a leader, he was evil and he was Vader's master.
Also fun behind the scenes tidibit on the porgs. They are puffins. The Puffins where they were filming were so plentiful that they figured it was easier to sci-fi them up rather than try and clear them out so the porgs are puffins
Just noticed how Rey, hero of the "Resistance" isn't what inspires the seeds of rebellion. Instead it's the tale of Luke squaring off against the entire first order.
THANK YOU. The amount of hate these movies get has honestly become tiring. There have been so many reactors who have listened to the people who hated the sequels and chose to not watch them. I’m so glad you’ve decided to check them out.
The discourse around Star Wars for the last ten years or so has taught me a very valuable lesson: never trust anyone who calls themself a fan, because there's about three to one odds they will only ever complain about the thing they claim to be a fan of.
Glad to hear you got more enjoyment out of this than I could. Only thing I could point out was that you Kinda might've seen the Red Guys before; they're the Emperor's Personal guards and they have a very minor appearance in Return of the Jedi.
More like these are Snoke's versions. The Emperor's Royal Guard designs are slightly different from these outfits look. I had wondered if maybe Snoke's versions were the students that were mentioned to have went with Kylo Ren after the situation with Luke.
In the beginning, Leia came to luke as projection asking for help from a jedi. In the end luke came as a fully forged jedi, as a projection, and did just that. Saved them all. :)
I saw this in the theater and have to admit I got a little teary-eyed where it said "In Loving Memory of our Princess CARRIE FISHER"
I had exactly the same. On my own, in my biker jacket, putting my helmet back on so I could hide my 😭
I wept the day she died. Was inconsolable as I ate my spaghetti. Lol
I LOVED the "Rey Nobody" idea, because it hammers home that it's not about who or where you're from but about you and your decisions.
Just like the "Broom Boy" at the end. Hinted at so much potential for the future.
Hated that.. They teased in the original promos for TFA that the force was strong in Lukes family and "you" have that power too.. then they show Rey. They purposely played on the OG fans wanting a true heir to Luke and/or Leia then pulled a twist. Star Wars was always a story based around the Skywalker family . They took Gen Xers childhood hero of the galaxy and turned him into a bitter old man. This movie was trash. Rian Johnson is a hack. Even Abrams couldn't course correct this dumpster fire with Rise of Skywalker. There was so much potential wasted... WASTED!!!
Dosnt fit the force awakens ….this movie is a mess because they didn’t have a plan from the get go before they made force awakens
@@DannyCosmos yep, Force Awakens set up so much potential. Then they threw most of it away and just tossed in random stuff with cool visuals and thought the fan base would be so stunned we would not notice lazy writing.
Except it turns out Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter, and that is why she is so powerful...
You missed something while looking at the camera... Kylo wasn't the one who fired the shot that nearly killed Leia. He couldn't bring himself to fire on her. One of the other fighters fired that shot. Not judging...just letting you know.
She missed a lot of things. I think she either needs a larger screen or glasses.
@@havok6280 I think she likes the sound of her own voice. She rambles, trying to sound smart. But ends up missing so much.
Shanelle rambles (brings us her thoughts!) and in my opinion that is fine, that's in part why we are here for, what I would suggest is to stop the film if you are going to talk.
A lot of reactors to songs stop the video with the song, talk, and continue with the song afterwards, or even go back to catch the last bit again and then continue reacting. That would be a great way of doing things IMO.
@@kyrosv1289 Stopping the movie makes sense for these YT reactions. Personally, I don't watch a reaction to a movie unless 2 conditions exist: it's a good movie that I've seen before. My pet peeve is when a reactor asks a pertinent question and then talks over the answer being given in the movie.
@@havok6280 She's not that good at reading sci-fi action on the screen
That's okay.
This film was wrapped before Carie passed. The character of Leia plays out exactly as written.
And there was enough unused footage cut out from this movie that they were able to have Leia appear in the final episode by writing scenes around that footage and re-composite her into the scenes when necessary.
26:09 In case you missed it Laura Dern's character aimed her ship at the enemy shop, then jumped to lightspeed, instantly plowing through them.
A million to one shot.
If only the rebel leaders in the first Star Wars movies were so brave and wise as Admiral Holdo. All those imposing and invincible looking capital ships of the Empire like Vader's Super Star Destroyer or mabye even the Death Star could have been destroyed with a few well aimed frigates. Super easy, barely an Inconvenience.
@@uzul42 Frigade? You don't even need to suicide. Rig an asteroid with engines, hyperdrive and an autopilot/targeting system and go nuts. Potentially a lot more mass, and a whole lot cheaper.
@@JustLiesNOR Nah, I was happy for Holdo to die. She p*ssed me off. 🤣
She was such a great character!
"He's not really there!"
Almost no one catches that Luke's beard and hair are different when he appears, and he's carrying a saber that was just destroyed 😅
And he doesn’t move the salt.
The saber was the first thing i noticed when i first watched.
I was like....wait a minute.
Strange that so few ppl mention it. They always talk about his feet not disturbing the ground. But to me...him using his old saber was a dead give away that something was amiss
razorfett147 I was hoping he would pull out a purple one as a mara easter egg
And that he looks twenty pounds lighter.
Well, Luke could have built himself a new saber, he had already done that in the original trilogy. But recognizing that it is exactly the same lightsaber was hard for me. I don't know about that point.
The main thing that bothered me about this movie was how it treated Finn. Stumbling around in a water bag was more clownish than anything Jar Jar Binks ever did, Rose mansplaining slavery to him on Canto Bight when HE WAS LITERALLY A CHILD SLAVE OF THE FIRST ORDER, his little side quest with Rose fails & doesn't matter anyway, his nemesis from the first movie Phasma has like 2 lines & then dies, his attempt to sacrifice himself fails & doesn't matter anyway, his relationship with Rey in the previous movie doesn't matter (do they even talk to each other in this movie?)...
There are like 100 other problems I had with this movie, but Finn becoming a clueless chump is the one that makes me actually angry.
They did John Boyega dirty, that's for sure. His Finn had potential, and he's a great actor.
I never thought about Finn from that angle. I definitely see your point. The movie uses Finn as kind of an audience surrogate so the screenwriters can explain the rules to us through him, but you're right, they do take it too far and kind of de-protagonize him. That's well observed. Thanks, Subliminal Lime.
Man jar jar literally stepped in poop and got farted on by an alien come on now
@@Bluerock121 It's a subjective judgment, but I see where Subliminal Lime is coming from. You and I have stepped in poop; you and I have been farted on by animals; but I am willing to bet neither of us ever walked down the halls of a battleship spraying water from the water-filled suit we were wearing.
@@jimballard1186 I mean not specifically cause it’s space stuff but we all wear uncomfortable stuff at doctors (gurneys or whatever) and looks literally in a diaper in empire. I think tonally jar jar is way worse but like you said it’s subjective
A funny thing happened to me when I went to see this movie. These are great movies to escape the reality of every day life. My girlfriend and I were lifelong Star Wars fan. We saw these movies as soon as they came out. Sadly, we did not get to see VIII together. She passed away a few weeks earlier. I went to see this episode by myself. As I was watching, the scenes with the crystal foxes came up. I cried and had a hard time keeping it together for the remainder of the film. My girlfriend's name was Crystal Fox. RIP mi amor.
I’m so sorry to hear this😭😭
Wow - tragic synchronicity, or what?
So sorry, however.
Thank you for sharing. What a poignant and lovely coincidence!
I’m so sorry for your loss
OH MY GOD! Condolences!
That ending message about Carrie Fisher still hurts, even 5 years later
She was a treasure
I LOVE when Kylo Ren says “The supreme leader is dead “ and Hux replies with “Long live The Supreme Leader.”
Shanelle: I’m going to trust the screenwriters.
All of us: So you have chosen death.
Don’t let people saying ‘your wrong’ mean a damn thing. I too really like this whole trilogy.
I feel like the humor does not really work in this at all. It doesn’t feel like the kind of humor that should be in a Star Wars movie but rather them trying to make it feel more like a marvel movie. I don’t like what they turned Luke into. I agree with Mark Hammil. I wanted to see the hero Luke. My positives for this movie are that it looks amazing. It’s my favorite looking Star Wars movie. Just gorgeous. I also really liked Kelly Marie Tran as Rose. I really didn’t care for much else though. I also hated that the two big things that they set up in the first movie were, Who is Snoke and who are Rey’s parents. And Rian Johnson’s answers were to kill Snoke without explaining him at all and just saying Rey’s parents were no one and moving on. It felt hugely unsatisfying at the time and still does to me. I also didn’t understand why Holdo was being such a dick to Poe. So overall, I just don’t love the way they took the story. But it sure does look great
Holdo was a dick to Poe because Poe got a lot of people killed and a fleet's worth of ship's destroyed in service of nothing but his own ego. He disobeyed orders, killed almost the entire fleet, and gained nothing for the Resistance.
Great review! When I watched this in theaters the entire audience choked up when R2 played the hologram, and lost it at the dedication. Her loss was still so fresh and raw. Like so many middle ground parts of trilogies, there were training montages, unresolved conflict, kindled love, and comedy to keep us rolling and hanging on to the "conclusion in the next chapter.
We missed your film maker perspective. Keep the reactions and commentary coming.
Once you find out Holdo's plan you realize all Poe had to do is walk down to the hanger and ask any other pilot. Rose's story arc makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
Poe didn't do that because he's dumb.
It's not a bad script, he's just dumb.
Same with Finn.
And Holdo.
And Luke.
And Leia.
And Snoke.
And Hux.
And the space cow.
It's not a bad script, it's a great script and it's not the writers fault all the charachters are dumb.
It's just bad luck he was asked to write a script with dumb charachters.
@@SierraSierraFoxtrot Holdo would have had to make an actual order that no one on that entire ship tell Poe, Finn, Rose or anyone who helped in the mutiny the plan
I absolutely loved waiting like two years to watch Luke toss that lightsaber over his shoulder
Fun Fact: Captain Phasma's reflective Stormtrooper armour was made from the wreckage of Queen Padme Amidala's Naboo Royal Cruiser from Phantom Menace.
Phasma is from Naboo, her parents were servants of the Royal family. She thought it was poetic justice to turn a Royal ship into her armour.
I won't bash anyone that likes this movie. Opinions are just that and everyone is allowed to have theirs. That said, I hate this movie almost completely. I won't go into all the reasons as they have been much more eloquently expressed by others in many places. I will say this though. I think your enjoyment of this comes from what kind of movie watcher you are. I'm a nerd. I love background details. I'm the guy that had the blueprints for the Enterprise an when he was six. I dig into the little details of my fandoms. I'm a nerd. Because of my enjoyment of those elements, when they get broken or changed without explanation, it breaks my emersion in the story. It's why I have trouble with this movie. So many things just don't match with the details I spent my entire life enjoying about Star Wars.
My sister, she loves this movie. She thinks I am too judgemental about it. She however has never wondered why we haven't just used "the haldo manuver" in every other bettle before this. It just never occured to her. She isn't wrong. She just watches movies in a different way.
I think what happened with the sequel trilogy from Disney is that they wanted to bring in new fans and not consider those of us that have been studying the small details for decades. I'm not even gonna bash that choice. I get it, it's a business at the end of the day. Just sucks that my enjoyment of something I grew up loving has fallen off because the creators no longer care if I care.
I do judge people who think it's good.
They have no taste in cinema. This movie is the secind wirst movie I have ever seen, and I'm certain Ruin Johnson made it so on purpose.
1:10 - Wait...WhAt?! That's perfectly logical! In New Hope Obi Wan only showed Luke how to feel and control the force, but he was always able to use it. Those are the rules in this universe. How can people be that thick?
Loove that you watched and reacted to this despite the previous comments. Thank you.
I grew up on Star Wars. Definitely respect Hamill's disagreement with the script, but I actually have been more and more convinced that it was consistent with his youthful character concerned about the future to a fault. I've also lived through enough years to see how absolutely devastating the moral failures of a trusted person / institution can be to an otherwise hopeful & fierce person. I love that Star Wars became relateable in that way through Luke's character.
Have you read the novels from the Star Wars Expanded Universe?
There are some very good ones.
After the comfort blanket that was "The Force Awakens", Rian Johnson went full Empire with this. He got so much right here. The revelation that Rey's parents were nobody and, in fact, inconsequential was genius. The idea that you don't need to be descended from a certain family or bloodline to be a hero was the perfect message for any kid watching this. The idea of Luke sending a projection of himself to help Leia after she sent one of herself asking for help in Ep IV (R2 using the hologram to change Luke's mind was superb). And for my money, this allowed Hamill to give his best performance in the saga. People wanted Luke to show up as the poster boy they remember. But he was never that. Luke (pre Jedi) was always impatient, easily frustrated and too quick to act. And let's not forget that he actually turns to the dark side (albeit momentarily) when he tries to strike Palatine down and is stopped by Vader.
"The Last Jedi" took narrative risks and moved the story forward in exactly the same unexpected ways that Empire did back in the day. People taking shots at this movie seem to forget just what a narrative hand-grenade Empire was after the happy ending of A New Hope. It absolutely tore things to pieces, sending the story in directions that totally unsettled viewers who were expecting more of the same. That's exactly what Rian Johnson did here.
Well I'm glad you have a level of trust for the screenwriters because.. There was no plan. Feel free to read from the countless articles on how none of the directors including the one that left the third project before filming had any idea where this was truly going
Ruin Johnson had a plan... a plan to ruin Star Wars bybm making the worst movie possible.
He succeeded.
The hate for this movie, and almost every subsequent Star wars project, is totally overblown. And the haters seem to feel the need to spread their bile across the web instead of letting people form their own opinion.
I saw the original Star wars when I was six. I liked this movie. The only part I didn't really get into was the casino planet. I also hated the fact that Luke died but it did serve the plot.
Theres just many many issues with these movies. Too many to ignore
I went from enjoying this movie at the premiere night, to feeling confused and then disliking it, to just accepting it but not loving it. It’s a thrill, definitely great for a wider audience. My least favorite thing is how they dismantled Luke’s character. Yes people are fallible, but the man literally risked everything to save his father from the dark side, the man who murdered his Jedi peers and several children, yet Luke almost didn’t hesitate to assassinate his nephew, the son of his sister and best friend because he thought he might turn evil. Even Mark Hamill isn’t fond of how his character was handled.
But in the end, no one loves Star Wars in the same way. And your take is a nice break from the same take as everyone else. It’s the same as people who enjoy the prequels compared to those who think the prequels ruined Star Wars.
Did you miss the part when Luke tried to kill Vader because he threated Leia? He was always impulsive.
Star Wars rhymes. Luke is just like Obi-Wan & Yoda in TLJ, broken.
The problem with Rey isn't that she is a powerful Force user. The problem is that she uses ADVANCED Jedi powers with ZERO training. There are certain Jedi powers that are innate, requiring zero training. Premonitions and fast reflexes, for example. Others REQUIRE training. Lightsaber fighting, mind tricks, telekinesis, etc, all REQUIRE training to master. Male or female doesn't matter. If ANY character is written so poorly, people will hate it.
Take real life runner Steve Prefontaine for example. As a high school student he was undefeated in every foot race he ran, due to pure talent. When he was recruited by an Olympic track coach, the coach found that Prefontaine's technique was abysmal. Even with all of his natural talent, Prefontaine still needed to be TRAINED to run properly. And once he took those lessons to heart, he was virtually unbeatable. And that was for RUNNING. For something as complex as martial arts, or in a fantasy setting, magic? It should be FAR more necessary. In fact, it IS far more necessary.
There are a lot of other writing issues with these movies. Especially The Last Jedi and The Rise Of Skywalker. Like Leia and Holdo keeping their plans secret from Poe and the others. There's literally zero reason for doing this, and it caused more problems than it prevented. Rose stopping Finn from sacrificing himself because she's apparently in love with him (something that came completely out of left field with no build up throughout the entire movie). Luke going from believing that his father (who he barely knew and was fully aware that he had murdered thousands, if not millions, of innocent people) could be redeemed, yet was willing to murder his nephew who he helped raise, just for having a bad dream. Ben Solo wanting to join the Dark Side for no reason. Count Dooku and Anakin Skywalker both had legitimate reasons for wanting to join The Dark Side. But apparently all it took Snoke to convince Ben was to say "Come to The Dark Side. We have cookies." to convince him.
I'll leave it here, because as both a writer and a Star Wars fan I could be here all day listing each and every thing that Ruin Johnson did wrong with this movie. I will say that this is a very pretty looking movie. The visual effects were top notch. But if you take a huge crap in a box, then do the most amazing job of wrapping it in the prettiest wrapping paper available, you still have a huge pile of crap in a box.
Also a writer. Well said.
@@johnsmith-nn2hs thank you 🙏
* There are certain Jedi powers that are innate, requiring zero training. Premonitions and fast reflexes, for example. Others REQUIRE training. Lightsaber fighting, mind tricks, telekinesis, etc, all REQUIRE training to master. *
Based on what? This is all headcannon that fans have made for themselves, with none of that actually being written in stone anywhere. Literal babies levitate objects with the force in the Clone Wars animated series, and you can't argue that they've had any training.
No, the Force is based on faith and understanding. And Rey takes to it because she grew up believing the Force is real, wanting all of it to be true, while Luke fails because he is riddled with doubt.
It's genuinely disappointing to me that a generation of fans watched "The Empire Strikes Back" and learned that if only Luke had believed in himself he could have lifted that X-wing out of the swamp. And then they watch The Last Jedi and replaced that lesson with "If Luke couldn't do it, Rey definitely couldn't."
@@osgoodbad I’ve seen every episode of The Clone Wars. I don’t remember ever seeing an infant using the Force to lift any objects. Which episode was this. Are you taking about the episodes where Asoka was teaching younglings? You do realize that those children had been trained in the Jedi arts their entire lives right? Are you talking about Grogu in The Mandalorian? He was also trained in the Jedi arts before Order 66 happened. Not fully trained, mind you, but he had learned enough to at least levitate objects.
Anakin wasn’t able to levitate objects or wield a lightsaber immediately in Episode 1, and he was literally BORN of the Force. He lived during the height of the Jedi’s power. He had heard stories of what they could do. Yet he couldn’t do anything other than fly due to his Jedi reflexes. Yet Ma-Rey Sue, who grew up in a world where the Jedi were considered a myth, can use Jedi Mind Tricks, Telekinesis, fight with a lightsaber, telepathically communicate with Cry-Lo Ren, and all without ANY training? And why? Vagina power? THAT is bad writing.
@@Thundarr100 The Clone Wars Season 2 Episode 3, Children of the Force. The episode where they want to kidnap the force sensitive children, it shows a Rodian infant levitating a ball by instinct.
Johnson's nod to Rashomon here is brilliant. Kurosawa's influence on Lucas is well known (The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai), and Johnson was able to tie the "different points of view" theme directly back to one of Kurosawa's most important films. Really incredible filmmaking.
Additionally, the young children at the end harkens back to those within my generation whose experience with the story of Luke (as a modern fairy tale) was fundamentally defined by our own imaginations - friends playing with action figures on "improvised battlefields," retelling the story as well as our own creative ones. The hero's journey was something that of course we related to - but beyond the celebration of the yearning hope in the undiscovered power of the powerless (a fragility which all children know intuitively), there was a sense of the nobility of the cause - the sacrificial commitment to the downtrodden. In this sense, what made Luke extraordinary wasn't just his power, but his character (and Johnson excellently captured the struggle with failure in this regard). As the film ends with the child looking up to the stars with his makeshift toy saber held in salute, I couldn't help but think of how many of us who grew up with the originals could see elements of their own childhood in that moment. I viewed it as a profound tip of the cap to that which had given us so much.
The Red visuals from Ran are amazing too. Love how he went back to that source.
The fact that people hated this movie so much, is such a tragedy. I thought it was brilliant. Because of the haters, and JJ bowing to the backlash, they destroyed 9.
I love how you’re so invested in the story now!
27:45 - That actually happened to Mark Ferrari, the illustrator on several early LucasFilm Games adventure titles, when he got in touch with Ron Gilbert and Gary Wynick for Thimbleweed Park!
Glad you liked it! Also, happy to learn that I'm not the only one who hits IMDB trivia after watching something for the first time. 😀
At the end of the day, it's a SW movie, and not worth getting worked up over. And glad that he swung for the fence at least.
A dreadnought was a type of extremely powerful warship first designed in the late 19th Century. It was one of the first steam powered warships built mostly from steal and heavy armor plates.
With it's huge guns and heavy armor it was built to be invincible, so it didn't have to fear anything, thus the name "Dreadnaught"
Since it has been a term used for any heavily armed and armored warship, fictional or real.
A dreadnought is basically a very heavy battleship.
"Fear God and dread naught"
No named after HMS Dreadnought thus all after where just called after this new class of ship.
@@nikkiparksy You are talking about the Dreadnought Class. I am talking about the dreadnought type of ship.
The first is a proper noun (thus capital D) the latter is not (thus lower case d)
Of course a space ship is not going to be a Dreadnought Class ship.
@@erictaylor5462 That is actually the same thing. Dreadnought's are only called Dreadnought's because of HMS Dreadnought . It was the 1st so all that came after are called after her . Just try a search using that program that everyone now call's ( Googled ) because funnily enough, just like HMS Dreadnought , (is a Dreadnought class ) the company that created it is called Google. If you can understand the distinction .
@@nikkiparksy
So, I looked it up, as you suggested, and guess what I found?
"The ship's entry into service in 1906 represented such an advance in naval technology that her name came to be associated with an entire generation of battleships, the "dreadnoughts", *AS WELL AS* the class of ships named after her."
Notice the "as well as"? That means they type of ship (heavily armed and armored) is not the same thing as the *CLASS* of ship (the Dreadnought Class) that is, the ships built to the same design as HMS Dreadnought.
The ship referred to in this scene is clearly not a Dreadnought Class battleship, nor is it remotely like any sort of battleship of that era.
I remember a cartoon in the 1980's that had a spaceship that looked like a WWII battleship, but I really don't think any of the early 20th Century battleships would function well in outer space. They have no way to maneuver in space, and they have no way to keep the crews alive in space.
Clearly the term "dreadnought" here is used to mean a heavily armed and armored ship, not a Dreadnought class ship.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1906)
Edit: I saw this in the theater with my folks, and we were all disappointed. Like, wtf was that? Do I even care about Star Wars anymore? I did not see the next one in the theater. :End_Edit
Basically, every cliffhanger/question Ep.7 left open was closed by Ep.8 with nothing new to take their place.
I thought the jokes were only slightly above Jar Jar, and just weirdly timed. What is Kylo Ren's purpose for taking up Snoke's fight? There's the frustratingly pointless Casino planet. If someone rams your car at like 50 mph, maybe that's not a good way to save your life?
I'm convinced RJ made this movie bad on purpose.
There are too many awful choices in it.
Yo mama jokes. Space cow. Laura Dern with a purple wig.
Finn is a clown. Leia Poppins. Stupid plans. Hacker with a stammer. Snoke dues like a bitch. Bad lightsaber fight.
Garrish colour schemes.
Sped up footage of plants growing.
The lost goes an and I have not seen this movie in 5 years but I can't forget.
There's a hidden "I've got a bad feeling" line in this film. At the beginning, BB-8 makes some sounds and Poe replies "Happy beeps!" What BB-8 was saying is "I have a bad feeling about this".
I agree with Mark Hammill on how they depicted Luke, but I like how he made it work. And I was thrilled to see Yoda again.
The large majority of moviegoers felt the same. Me too. It's good to see the good in something that made it hard to feel good about. Did that make sense
Shanelle, I pretty much agreed with you when I left the theater. However, Episode 9 sold me on how truly terrible and under-thought "Disney Wars" is.
It took so many people until Episode 9 to see the issues with Disney Star Wars, but I felt uneasy after Episode 7 and Episode 8 showed that the trilogy was dead on arrival to me.
This was Carrie Fisher’s final film where she was directly involved; she died on December 27, 2016, and this film was dedicated to her memory. Her next film Star Wars Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker (2019), would be in form of previously unused footage from Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens (2015).
I think they digitally Carrie Fisher the same way they did to Harold Ramis in ghostbusters afterlife.
Yes, she covered that in the trivia section.
It is horrible that this was her last film, the bastardized Star Wars story by the worst Dircetor and Prpducer combo in the franchise's history.
@@justanotherdayinthelife9841 nonsense.
Watching her in these last two films always tears me up. A great loss.
To this day, this remains my favorite Star Wars film. Or at least one of them.
I LOVE this movie. This is my favorite Star Wars movie. I could write an entire treatise on it. But the shortest version is: this is the first star wars movie that legitimately surprised me, challenged me, and it made me think, laugh, and feel more than any other Star Wars movie.
Same here.
I throughly enjoyed this film. I was in the theater for the first trilogy and I love this trilogy as well! It actually did make some important points about the force, relationships, connections and what's worth fighting for in life. "Who are you? Who do you want to be?" are important questions in this film. Also, I loved that direction they were going with the idea of the Force being accessible to folks who weren't part of the elite "chosen" (Jedi/Sith), channeling it as an "Everyman" ability. You enjoy so many of the things that the fanboys hated...and I enjoyed as well. I'm with you on the split storylines, Shanelle.
Agreed. This is my favorite Star Wars movie, and maybe my favorite Star Wars piece of media ever (I'm not sure if I like the novelization of Return of the Jedi better than this movie, with all its delightfully weird linguistic flourishes). I like to dream about a Star Wars universe where Episode 9 had followed through on the promises of this movie.
“See you around, kid” is a Han line
The worst part of the 3rd trilogy is it's complete incoherence. The first 6 movies follow an arc. The last 3 are all pulling in different directions.
It's perfectly coherent when you realise the director's intention: to destroy Star Wars.
Everything in this movie is made to destroy the rules of SW and humiliate the characters.
It's simply not true. Even when things subvert expectations, as long as they COULD be possible, then they are valid in a story. All three movies make total sense to me. There is not anything that is impossible in this universe that does happen. In some ways, even more than the original six films, because Lucas shoehorned and forgot so many elements when making both. If he had known Leia was Luke's brother, it's doubtful he would have them romantically linked initially, or at least it's likely in Return that he would have made the reveal of their relationship more awkward for everyone. Instead it was done through quick expositions and then mostly glossed over. In the sequels, Rey was a mystery from the beginning, her memories obviously repressed, her burgeoning powers not easy to understand, and, ultimately it all finally made sense. All the other elements worked as well. Most of us should be going, of course Sideous was the "phantom menace" behind the scenes all along. Of course he would have found the way to cheat death. How sensical it was that his theme was clearly evident during Snoke's interrogation of Rey, and so many more moments that all make sense now. They don't make sense to those who's expectations were totally deflated and who don't want them to make sense. When you just go for the ride, it becomes a fun, big picture
I must admit I was one of those who was very disappointed in the movie when watching it in the cinema. To me, the tone an humour just felt a bit off and a lot more like a Marvel movie than Star Wars. I also thought the run-time was way too long and dragged out, with too many unnecessary filler plots that didn't lead anywhere.
Most of all though, I think a lot of people, including myself, were very disappointed in what the movie did with Luke, who didn't feel at all like the character from the original. Original Luke would never try to kill his nephew in his sleep even if he "felt evil in him", and I feel like the movie did a very bad job in explaining how and why he got to that stage.
Nope. The red guys are just some generic guards they came up with to be like Palpatine's Royal Guards which were also red. Because guards wear red armor always.
I lost it like 5 times throughout this movie. Watch it again. This movie is so dense it’s easy to miss many details. I’m so happy you liked it! I also felt this was the most beautifully shot SW film.
Please watch STAR TREK! Give it a chance! 🖖
I hope she would watch from the Original TV series. Could do two at a time and get through them quickly.
6:40 a Dreadnought is a type of ship that is larger than your average Star Destroyer, if I recall correctly they come in at around 5000+ meters in length on average. The Executor class Dreadnought was around 18000 meters in length. Then you also have the Supremacy Class Mega Star Destroyers such as Snoke's ship which is a insane 60000 meters in width.
There aren't many movie reactors that I enjoy watching. You're one of the ones that I do though. I always look forward to your thoughts on the movie, cause you actually have something to say.
Try Cinebinge. George has taught me more about movvies than I have dreamed possible (like in the Godfather II as the dons are slicing up cake whilst slicing up territory in Cuba).
@@o0pinkdino0o for some reason I never saw your comment until now. I'm subscribed to Cinebinge : )
@Gobi Pup ?
I love how they ended Luke exactly how he began in a New Hope. He’s looking out and he’s seeing the binary sunset while the same music plays
After spending the whole movie being opposite to what and who Luke Skywalker is, we didn't get Luke, we got a bastardized version.
Luke was bound by hope, he had hope, he would have never even thought to strike Kylo down, not even for a second. The Luke from ROTJ and beyond would NOT have done that.
Even Mark Hamill agrees, he did not like this Luke and only played him because he knew he wanted to please the fans on screen one last time before he dies of old age.
@@SajirouPlays I think you're building a very lionized mythology of Luke in your head. Luke of ROTJ never would have thought to strike Kylo down or lost hope, huh? So it was hope that had him screaming in berserker fury and chopping Darth Vader into chunky salsa before he realized what he was doing?
If you've ever wondered how little tolerance some people have... There were enough complaints in the few seconds near the end that there was a sign by the theater that said "There is a moment in this film where there is no sound. This is intentional, not a defect with our equipment."
This movie suffered from two directors with different views. It went A B A, and each pretty much tears down what the other tried to set up. You'll see it more after the third one.
I think it's not as much having different directors (which the original trilogy did as well), but not having someone guide a vision for the overall trilogy, which makes it feel less coherent. As a result it does make the three parts feel more detached from each other.
Disney & JJ bended their knees to the Twitter trolls for TROS
Ah yes, the movie that put a lightsaber right through the heart of the Star Wars franchise. Once Han Solo was killed off, then Luke, I was done. Mission accomplished RJ.
I don't understand how anyone with the least bit of movie know-how can miss how atrocious this movie is.
I am convinced Ruin Johnson made this movie bad on purpose. Every scene in this movie contains has something in it to break immersion or destroy a bit of the universe.
@@jamespearson7871 no. Consistency always matters.
@@jamespearson7871 no, consistency matters in any movie.
Unless you have the attention span of a goldfish.
I agree with you that Ep 7 worked for me despite it being a pretty straightforward copy of ANH and I was so excited to see Rey, Finn, to a lesser degree Poe, Phasma, Knights of Ren, Kylo, etc... But, this movie. Holy poop, this movie. I don't want to begrudge the people who do like it (though I will question their sanity lol), but this movie just really made me clench my jaws, but I also want to actually talk about it w/o referring to others as utter idiots, morons, etc, etc. They can't help it, they're not sane... I kid! I kid!
Anyway, I'm making this comment at the beginning of the video so I am looking forward to what your thoughts will be, regardless of whether you will like this movie or not.
The movie I think you should watch is the animated movie The Secret of Nimh (1982). It is truly a classic. So much nostalgia but an interesting visual style. One of Don Bluth's best works
One of the things I really liked was what seems to be presented in the force cave to Rey. I think so much is built up around the Force having a purpose or intent, the way most religions try to ascribe meaning. In the cave she's presented with a truth - there is no meaning or intent with the force, all there is is what you do with it. The implication being that Sith realize this and just focus on using the force for their own personal gain. The true test of the force is seeing this revelation and choosing to do something good and selfless with it.
Luke's first time seeing Leia, she's a projection from a droid: & the last time Leia sees Luke, he's a Force projection. But when Leia takes Luke's hand, then it cuts to her face, you see she immediately registers it: and it's beautiful. Carrie Fisher does a lot of facial/visual response cuing this, & still as Leia just thankful he's answered her hope...it's a subtle & fantastic final performance from her. And, her Force power being death-defying is always how I imagined her, even as a kid.
Lucas's debt to Akira Kurosawa is all over this movie, especially in the final duel between Luke & Kylo.
Tied for my favorite Star Wars episode, after "The Empire Strikes Back."
You're allowed to like what you like. Lol
I guess the Internet will want to kill me with fire for saying this, but: this is my favorite Star Wars film.
There's something seriously wrong with you as a Star Wars fan if you even want to like this film, I'm not going to name call, or even yell at you for giving this film the time of day. There's just something seriously wrong, that's all.
My favorite too, brother. You are not alone.
If this is your favorite Star Wars film, I'm not sure anyone can help you. I'm sorry.
It's just a great film. Not my favorite, but near the top. And there's nothing wrong with you.
@@JasonDabrowski Thank you
I think this movie would have been significantly better if they ended it when Leia was blown our of the bridge and had her die. It would have left a hole in fans and would have been a better send-off for her since she had passed before the film was released.
@@overfiend1978 I'm Mary Poppins Y'all!
I lost it a couple of times in the battle scenes when they showed Leia. There was a lump in my throat every scene (just about) that had her. And then the actual finality of seeing the tribute in print to her at the end. That, was a big lost it moment. I welled up watching you watch it and don't think I will ever be able to watch this and not well up or have the room extra dusty causing wet eyes. The whole theater was sniffling and crying. Leia is a magnificent character, an epic one at that. Love your reactions, lady.
I do like parts of this film, especially toward the end, but it remains my least favorite of the series and it's not one I rewatch much.
I'm sure loads of comments said this, but no, Fisher's death in no way impacted the plot/script. The only effect it had was the end credits "in memory..." thing. The role Leia has in the film was written the way it was and filmed the way it was months before she passed away.
Rather it was ep9 The Rise of Skywalker that was made completely without the actress who of course had passed years before shooting began. Leia as a character in ep9 was written around the preexisting unreleased footage they had laying around of Fisher.
In theaters I was just staring at the screen going "They ruined star wars."
Maybe its her not paying close enough attention to the story, or not being a writer, or not having the years and years of life reading the Star Wars books that are now Legend and seeing all these wonderful post ROTJ stories in the years following its release but the whole thing just urked me the wrong way. I won't go into specifics because we'd be here all day and I'd just have a million people telling me why I'm wrong.
I'm just going to say I didn't like it, that's my opinion and leave it at that rather than enter into a whole meaningless discussion about something that won't matter when I'm dead in 30 years.
This movie got amazing reviews. People who understand filmmaking love this movie.
@@mjenningssmith Big Mouth has a 100% rating. Your comment is irrelevant.
18:31 - Fun fact: the whole parallel-storytelling-in-movies was pretty much invented by George Lucas and introduced in American Graffiti.
I thought the slow space chase was boring as was the casino planet side quest. Minor nitpicks. The only _big_ issue I had with the film was that I don't feel they properly conveyed and set up the fact that Luke was dying. When we find out he was on the island all along we're all like "whew he was never in any danger". Sure he was breathing heavily but for me and many other viewers, we were very confused when his body suddenly disappeared. Very unpleasant viewing experience. The death of the main legacy character shouldn't make you scratch your head in confusion.
(and before someone says "but Kylo hinted that force projecting one's self could be deadly" to try to claim the film _did_ set up Luke's death, no I do _not_ think a rushed and mumbled 5 word line is sufficient set up for the death of the OG main character of the whole franchise)
"Did you guys lose it in theaters when [Carrie Fisher's memoriam] happend?" Dammit, I'm losing it along with you right now, Shan.
I totally agree with you. In episode 1, qui gon tells us that the reason Annie can race those cars is that he is using the force. He had no training, he was just powerful. I thought the same thing, that Rey had to be the most powerful with the force just because she is. Also, i love the fact that they show her going right to the dark side.. Her personality is that of someone who, say, sees a house fire and runs right in to investigate and help, or fix it.. she has no fear, she just runs to the dark to help. Anyway, great reaction. Thank you.
Having fast reflexes (eg Anakin) is one thing, but knowing Jedi mind tricks without training is something totally different - why can't you apologists get this?!
I guess the decade of training Anakin had was just a waste of time, not to mention the entire temple dedicated to training force sensitive children from birth. Turns out they could have all just winged it!
@@Paul_1971 They don't get it because what you said is demonstrably untrue. Rey can do Jedi mind tricks, so what you are saying is by definition fanon rather than canon. If you need justification for it, Snoke tells Ren in Episode 7 that there's been an awakening; since no one ever defines what an awakening means or what abilities it imparts, let's just say an awakening apparently means you can do Jedi mind tricks.
She also had her own form of training that I guess the haters can't understand. She grew up in survival mode. She already knew how to fight with a staff. She was climbing around inside the guts of a giant wrecked star ship. She wasn't just some rando that happened to start using the force for the first time with a Jedi mind trick. Most of her life was the training she needed, with force sensitivity helping her along the entire way. If little Anakin had to fight as a child instead of just growing up around vehicle and parts, he might have been a bit more like Rey too, instead of just using his reflexes to fly a pod in a race.
@@robertreichle1 Plus, she's a Star Wars fan. She sleeps in a Star Wars bed, makes Star Wars dolls to play with, and cosplays in Star Wars merch. She's been listening to stories about Luke and his powers for a significant portion of her life, to judge by her reaction to finding out it's real. Rey is basically what would happen if a Harry Potter fan was given a wand: she'd have a lot of base knowledge just from having read the books already.
The dreadnought (alternatively spelled dreadnaught) was the predominant type of battleship in the early 20th century.
The first of the kind, the Royal Navy's HMS Dreadnought, had such an impact when launched in 1906.
Well, Shanelle? You've heard everyone talk about how this was a shit trilogy. I just hope this reinforces in you to ignore the haters and make up your own mind as you do.
It didn't make sense at first but Lukes short hair should have told me something right from the start, that he wasn't really there.
So glad you liked The Last Jedi. It’s my favorite of the sequel trilogy. I find Luke’s Force projection to be the most awesome use of Force power we’ve ever seen.
Carrie fisher was alive during the whole production ... she died after it wrapped... the next movie is the one that uses existing footage...
Great reaction...always very thoughtful.
Shanelle, I totally love how in tune thou art with these story-lines and characters. It is so refreshing when a film-going and film-making commentator genuinely invests their time with their reaction material, understanding and loving what they watch. Thou must knowest how beloved thou art and greatly appreciated thy reaction videos are. I also value that any critiques and criticisms shared by thee are from a background in understanding storytelling and film-making. "Make 'Critiques' Balanced Again!" 😉 L.o.l. P.S. The Force Awakens The Last Jedi. Neato sentence, huh?
What are thee? A Knight of His Majesty’s Round Table?
@@jarosbodytko6462- More like 'the one, true Emperor.' 😉 P.S. (I am a Windsor).
6:40 A dreadnaught was a pre-world war one type of battleship that was a revolution in naval sea power. It had very powerful engines, guns, and armor compared to predecessors. Ever since then it has been used to designate a ship that is superior and firepower, maneuverability and survivability
The best way to describe why I dislike TLJ is to quote from Rian himself. The following is a transcript from the DVD/Blu Ray that you won't see on Disney+ which tells you how Disney feels about his views:
The force is not a superpower, the force is not just about being able to throw things across the room. I wanted in this movie to do a little bit of a reset lesson especially for kids who are coming to these movies for the first time.
In terms of the force as like as a mystical concept as Yoda describes it, it’s a thing that all living beings create, its kind of energy between all living things.
Luke is closed off to the force when we first meet him and that made sense to me for a lot of reasons. I needed to find a way in to why he’s on that island that wasn’t just him hiding and being a coward. So the thing that made sense to me is that he’s actually come to realize that the galaxy thinks it wants the Jedi back, the Jedi have done nothing but add to the problems of the universe and the most selfless act he can do is to do what he couldn’t do in the Empire Strikes Back and ignore the calls of help from his friends and lock himself off.
And suddenly it turns to this kind of predicament he has to hold. He would love to jump back in and help everybody but he’s realized that if he brings the Jedi back into this then the Sith are going to rise up again and the whole thing is going to start again and its just going to be more more misery.
The Jedi have to die so that the light can rise from a new source that will maybe work better.
The above is Rian’s comments about how he approached writing and directing Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
Rian has a severely misunderstood view of the Force, Jedi and Luke based on all the episodic films and canon of the Star Wars universe.
To start off with it is necessary to state that what Luke or any character or group would do is not based on reality as Star Wars is fiction but on what the writer and director of the particular film may decide.
Also it needs to be reminded that Star Wars episodic films operate in a trilogy format. It’s like one big story arc with smaller stories spread over 3 films. The OT was about the rise of the rebellion overcoming the Empire and how the Jedi get resurrected. The Prequels were about how Anakin becomes Darth Vader and the rise of the Empire and the near annihilation of the Jedi.
When Disney purchased the rights to obtain Star Wars and announced that there would be another trilogy with Luke, Han and Leia, I knew that by the end of Episode 9 that those 3 characters would either be dead or riding off into the sunset (not dead but like a hermit). This was fine for me as so much time had passed since they last appeared together.
In Episode 7 I liked how JJ did Han’s death. It showed how much Han loved his son and people need to deal with that because Harrison was only going to do that film and you can’t replace Harrison Ford with another actor for the role of Han Solo.
I was surprised to see Luke pass away in Episode 8 because we didn’t see him at all until the very last scene in 7 and figured since he is one of the main characters, if not the main character, Disney would want him for Episode 9 before writing him out.
Unlike some people who detested the film, there were parts that I loved. For one I did love when the Millennium Falcon was pursued by all the Tie-Fighters on Crait and led them down into the caverns. That was great.
Rian’s comments become the starting point for the problem of TLJ because if you don’t understand the previous Star Wars films then the film becomes poorly written and directed. Furthermore his comments above are contradicted by how his film was written and directed.
For example he says that the Force is not a superpower. Then what is a superpower when Leia resurrects her dead body from space early in the film. The music in that scene is “force” music (music that is played in other scenes in other films where the force is being used) and saving yourself from certain death is the textbook definition of a superpower. It was that power that led Anakin to abandon the Jedi and become a Sith so that Padme is around him.
Then Rian says, “the Jedi have done nothing but add to the problems of the universe”. Horse huey. Sure, the Jedi share some responsibility in the rise of the Empire and Palpatine. The Prequels make that clear. However that represents only a small portion of the timespan of the Jedi. If the Jedi existence throughout the history of the Republic (thousand of generations) was like what we saw in the Prequels then they would have been defeated long ago. Again Rian didn’t identify the Jedi at the time of the Prequels but “the Jedi” which covers their entire history. Another mistake.
Luke says that he went to the Ach-to to die and was amazed that Rey and Chewbacca could find it. Umm, Episode 7 showed Luke leaving a “bread crumb” trail to him. That’s not wanting to hide but waiting for the right moment for Rey and the resistance to find Luke. Also if the Jedi have to die, then why did Luke say that he won’t be the last Jedi in a reference to Rey at the end of the film.
Next Rian says, “the most selfless act he can do is to do what he couldn’t do in the Empire Strikes Back and ignore the calls of help from his friends and lock himself off”. Again another misunderstanding. It is true that Luke made a mistake confronting Vader how he did in ESB. The mistake, imho, is that Luke was walking into a trap that Vader had setup. You don’t walk into traps as a general rule unless you have something up your sleeve. This wasn’t the case when Luke went to Bespin.
We can learn in ROTJ about how that should have gone. When Luke goes to Yoda in ROTJ he says I have come back to complete my training. Yoda replies that Luke needs no more training. Luke then says he is a Jedi at which Yoda vehemently denies that saying, one thing stands in the way of that and that he needs to confront Vader, then, only then will Luke be a Jedi. From that we can conclude that Luke, had he followed Obi-Wan and Yoda’s advice in ESB would have confronted Vader at a certain point but not in that instance.
Then Rian says, “He would love to jump back in and help everybody but he’s realized that if he brings the Jedi back into this then the Sith are going to rise up again and the whole thing is going to start again and its just going to be more more misery.” Well first off he did get back in sort of when he appeared in Ghost form on Crait to give the Resistance time to escape. Secondly did Rian not see Episode 7? The Sith via Snoke and Kylo, ALREADY rose up.
Finally Rian says, “The Jedi have to die so that the light can rise from a new source that will maybe work better.” Again flawed understanding. Of course the Jedi should learn from their past mistakes (e.g. prequels) but then why did Luke say he won’t be the the last Jedi.
Even if you liked TLJ with Carrie Fisher passing away, the way the film ended (with Leia very much alive), then it presents a real problem cinematically with Episode 9. Considering that Rogue One and Solo had massive re-shoots to do due to director’s being fired or creative differences Disney should have looked into TLJ after it was done initially filming and suggest re-shoots considering that Leia is very much alive at the end of TLJ.
When he says “happy beeps buddy” that was the obligatory I have a bad feeling about this.
"number one fan"? May I point you in the direction of "Misery (1990)" 😃
Shanelle, I'll be fifty in a month. I started out playing music when I was nine and then began writing music seriously when I was around 17. I began reading a lot around that time. I had dropped out of high school due to family trauma. I was told by a very famous musician around that time that my songs were really solid and catchy. I attributed that to my dedication to reading and learning my craft. I tried to get into a college after getting my GED but couldn't get the loans. I began writing long-form poems and short stories after that and sold a few to some publishers. Nothing fancy. Then, the internet started taking off and I started looking into script writing and movie making. I never took it to a career, but now I can determine what's what, and whether or not it was a bad production design, or bad decisions, or lack of budget, or bad direction, or a bad script... Bad actors, lighting... on and on. But seeing your reactions are so cool. You know your stuff. Love your channel! *side note* I was watching a B-movie horror movie with my roommate. Scene was two guys in what should have been a completely dark forest and they were lit up. And, off in the near distance there was a blue light for ambiance. I lost my shit when I saw that scene. The blue light wasn't explained and the lit up main scene could have been done with flashlights. That would have made it creepier! I walked off and told my roommate, "I can't watch this."
The problem with this movie was in the stuff you edited out. The Rose and Finn sidequest is pointless and could have been used for something real. Also, imagine that Ackbar was the one to do the hyperspace jump instead of some character we've never seen.
Luke's death looking at the suns from right to left (into the past) is a reflection of his scenes in Ep 4 where he is looking at the suns from left to right (into the future.) It's beautifully done and it makes me wish that every part of the movie was that good.
As has been the case for many of these, I like that you had a positive reaction to a movie that I didn't love.
I don't understand why people think it doesn't make sense that Rey already had some control over the Force without any training. The Jedi have a long history of showing us that some people are born with innate ability. Anakin and Luke were both superior pilots in part because of the Force before they were trained. It makes perfect sense to me that Rey has abilities without training.
I loved this movie because it dared to do something different. I’ve never understood the hate. Great reaction as always, Shanelle!
Something different was the good part........ still want my money back.
14:36 - Yeah, that face sums up my feeling towards the writing and general direction of this particular trilogy. Though there are some good moments here and there.
Respectfully, this is my least favorite Star Wars film. Glad someone liked it.
People keep forgetting, Luke becoming a hermit was set up by JJ in TFA. Ben and Yoda could not be reached for comment.
TFA is also the only Saga movie without an ending open for a time skip. It really hampers the plot of TLJ.
Based on how you enjoyed this, I feel like you would really like Knives Out. That could make a great reaction video too.
What can anyone say, it’s a movie conglomerate. Consumers like what they like. For some, they like acting, writing, special effects, cg, practical, do I wish they wouldn’t rewrite the past, eh, to the victor goes the spoils. I can still choose to watch what I want.
Glad you liked it.
I didn’t. It still bothers me.
But I’m happy you found enjoyment in it.
I wish i could be as generous.
I personally can't respect people who don't see this movie for the act of cultural vandalism that it is.
Carrie Fisher was fully engaged through this film and passed after. It's the next film where her appearances manipulated around her passing.
Ultimately the plot has no real consequences. The resistance could have just stayed on the planet and been destroyed in a surprise attack for the same result.
What do they accomplish in Empire?
Luke is wounded, Han is captured... They could have just stayed on Hoth for that. 🤡
@@LordVolkov Entire rebel base was successfully evacuated and then Luke was extensively trained. On the Imperial side Vader and the Emperor tried to trap and convert Luke.
But that might have been heroic... and Ruin Johnson wanted to humiliate and destroy the charachters amd SW universe.
@@Reactordrone 'tried to trap and convert Luke' So ESB gets points for trying and failing, but in TLJ, trying and failing is a waste of time? Got it 👍
And I wouldn't call Luke's Dagobah training 'extensive' 😅 He ignores most of Yoda's real advice (the cave, lifting the x-wing, running to face Vader).
By your logic, TLJ's plot goes thusly - The rebels evacuate successfully and decimate a FO fleet.
On the FO side, Kylo betrays his master (the most sith move ever) and claims power.
There was a wildfire near Mark Hamel's home and everyone had to evacuate.
One of the firefighters entered Mark's back yard and saw him sitting in his living room perfectly still. The fire fighter broke down the door to rescue him, only to realize it was a lifelike dummy.
The characterization of Luke was jarringly inconsistent with the character depicted in the earlier films, comics, and novels. It was subversion of expectations, but in service of nothing.
Comics and novels were never cannon (also terrible). Unlearn what you have learned
Carrie, RIP, didn't get written out of this. Each of the OG three cast mates were supposed to be the focus of a movie and Carrie's was going to be the third. She died between the movies, though, and the third movie was affected. We were blessed to get her in it at all. I loved this.
I like how you completely cut out the casino part from your reaction. Made the movie 200% better 👍
Yeah that and what Poe was doing in this movie were the two things that were just wastes, and not good character growth, he conducts a munity because he does not trust the leaders? and they just stun him and then all is good again? It doesn't work that way, you do that and no one can ever trust you again, or at least not for a long time. AND the entire Finn story was worthless, they did nothing to add any value how do you waste your heroes for that? it was just meaningless fluff, my one last beef is Finn's sacrifice to destroy the cannon would have been heroic, and Rose stopping that was not good. If Luke had not made his video phone-call to save the day Rose's action would have doomed them all.
Meaningless fluff = the most true and insightful parts of the entire star wars series
LOL! Your expression in this video's still shot reminds me of actress Juliette Lewis in the Christmas comedy Mixed Nuts when she's yelling at her boyfriend Felix!
My only critique of episode 8 is it didn't feel like part 2 of a trilogy. It concluded too much. Killing off Snope (who even was he) it's not clear what direction the concluding part would go in. Disney clearly didn't have a clue either because they turned out the train wreck that was episode 9. I'm amazed to hear JJ Abrams said this was good, as he made 9 a pissing contest more concerned with undoing 8 than telling a story that made any sense.
My critique was the fairly pointless casino caper. Though it introduced Rose well (which they blew off in 9).
Snoke was a leader, he deceived and trained Kylo. That's all that was needed. Just like in the OT little was known about the emperor. He was a leader, he was evil and he was Vader's master.
Also fun behind the scenes tidibit on the porgs. They are puffins. The Puffins where they were filming were so plentiful that they figured it was easier to sci-fi them up rather than try and clear them out so the porgs are puffins
Just noticed how Rey, hero of the "Resistance" isn't what inspires the seeds of rebellion. Instead it's the tale of Luke squaring off against the entire first order.
"Bring the Ewoks!" You got a metaphorical spit-take out of that one, Shanelle. Best. Leo.
THANK YOU. The amount of hate these movies get has honestly become tiring. There have been so many reactors who have listened to the people who hated the sequels and chose to not watch them. I’m so glad you’ve decided to check them out.
The discourse around Star Wars for the last ten years or so has taught me a very valuable lesson: never trust anyone who calls themself a fan, because there's about three to one odds they will only ever complain about the thing they claim to be a fan of.
14:50 You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. This sh*t was deliberate! They should've killed Leia in this film and Luke in the last one.
Glad to hear you got more enjoyment out of this than I could. Only thing I could point out was that you Kinda might've seen the Red Guys before; they're the Emperor's Personal guards and they have a very minor appearance in Return of the Jedi.
More like these are Snoke's versions. The Emperor's Royal Guard designs are slightly different from these outfits look. I had wondered if maybe Snoke's versions were the students that were mentioned to have went with Kylo Ren after the situation with Luke.
In the beginning, Leia came to luke as projection asking for help from a jedi. In the end luke came as a fully forged jedi, as a projection, and did just that. Saved them all. :)