How did Radagon and Marika have kids? Answer: a single plant has both pistol and stamen. Empyrean is a kind of tree. Tarnished can be grafted. Fingers are branches. People are plants.
Exactly. I would have loved for the DLC to expand on Miquella but no. That's not how Souls DLCs works. DS1's & Bloodborne's DLCs are the only that answers a lot of questions about the origin of many problems occuring in the games.
You're given Torrent's whistle at the same time Melina agrees to to turn runes into your strength. I think this sequence shows Melina's regret and self blame for trusting you and empowering you, ultimately leading to you being lord of chaos.
The 'Heroes' confusion I think is due to the modern use of the word to mean morally righteous individuals (or 'good guys') who will sacrifice themselves for the sake of others whereas mythologically it's always meant individuals of great strength/power and/or renown. Figures who you make legends out of.
Also in Japanese there are two terms that they could be using to mean hero. Yuusha being commonly used for JRPG heroes while Eiyuu is the more classical interpretation. Woolie confirms they are using eiyuu a little after 1:56:05.
Chaos Lord: *Looks at Steed Whistle* "Well, time to melt this into glue!" Also, I really like the fan theory that the Tarnished actually died when he collapsed during his ending, and that its Shabriri piloting your body and becoming the Lord of Chaos.
Considering how the crazy people like taking over bodies, Hyetta taking Irina's body and Shabriri taking Yuras, it makes sense that Shabriri takes you over.
@@ReachStudioPro if the Greater Will was behind the Flame of Frenzy, why would it allow it's servants to genocide the Great Caravan as a precautionary measure? Why are Three Fingers considered one of the greatest sources of heresy?
Fun thought for the Melina stuff around 2:20:00 or so - if Melina is the full sister of Malenia and Miquella, that means each "child cluster" has three children in it. (Godfrey, Morgott, Mohg)/(Radahn, Ranni, Rykard)/(Malenia, Miquella, Melina).
And if we assume that Melina being "burned and bodiless" Is something that could have been a result of a curse she has been born with, she would have that in common with Malenia and Miquella.
Always fun to point out that Godfrey is the only child of Marika who wasn't super fucked up, and is the only kid whose first letter is unique to his dad. Radahn, Ranni, and Rykard all got fucked up on their own so that doesn't count.
@@SinHurr Actually, my suspicion is that Mohg and Morgott are Omens because of Godfrey. He's closely linked to the Crucible Knights, fights (stomps) like them, and he's a wild man who's primal and atavistic compared to the lordly ways of the Golden Order. I would suspect any child of Godfrey might have a tendency to end up an omen - and all the royal omens under the capital are probably born of the Golden Lineage.
Melina and Millicent wear the same outfit, so I like to view Melina as a "bud" the same way Millicent is. She's like a cloned offshoot of Marika and possibly asexually reproduced, so she doesn't actually fit in either trilogy. I think Marika was the gloam-eyed queen, forced into being the god of the golden order by the elden beast and her empyrean shadow, and so the reason for her having the purple eye and sort of becoming someone who seems to fit the role of the gloam eyed queen in the frenzy ending is like how Gowry hopes Millicent will become a scarlet valkyrie. There's some extremely wild speculation that Ranni is actually Marika and Radagon's child and so was a part of the Malenia/Miquella set. (the Cuckoo and golden egg thing. People go nuts over this. Ranni's real body looks like Marika with red hair and shows no traits of Rennala, etc.) "Renna" may have been the actual child in the Radahn/Rykard set, and she's no longer around.
Come on, Dark Souls 2 is the game with the most issues in the series, yes, but it's far, far from a bad game. And there's also things it does better than any other game in the series - yes, including Elden Ring.
I honestly expected the music with the Dung Eater's ending to be the basement theme from Resident Evil 1. It was somehow better and worse at the same time.
When it comes to the Melina and Ranni connection, one theory is that Melina was one of the Black Knife Assassins. She has a similar move set in the Morgot fight when you summon her, and she promises to deliver "Destined Death". I'm thinking Melina may have had a role to play in the Assassins stealing the death rune from Maliketh, or at least in the night of black knives. Torrent might just be what Ranni recognized. Hard Maybe, though.
possible, but i think the more likely connection is that melina is the gloam-eyed queen, who ranni would obviously know as a prior wielder of death and may have been working with to bring about a new age by slaying marika.
When it comes to the heroes bit, I think it's like heroes in the Greek sense... like great warriors, kind of how there were heroes on each side of the Trojan War
I don't think Melina is the old Dusk Eyed Queen that Maliketh defeated. There is much more evidence of Melina being a 3rd child of Radagon and Marikia alongside Miquella and Malenia. Rather I think what her eye's implied in the Flame of Frenzy ending is that Melina took the power of the Destined Death upon herself becoming a new Gloam Eyed Queen an Empyrean Vassal for the Outer God related to Death. She did this out of desperation knowing it would be the only way she would be able to kill God (you). Melina's hair color changes too in that ending which we know Outer gods have a tendency to do for their Vassal's as seen with the red hair of the Fire Giants coming from the Fell God of Fire.
I like this theory. I, personally, think that Melina is Marika in the same way that Radagon is Marika. I think Melina is an aspect of Marika, being born at the foot of the Erdtree, according to Melina herself, "burned and bodiless". And she can take on a corporeal form when close to the Erdtree within the capital of Leyndell. But this theory of her being Marika admittedly doesn't have a whole lot of evidence to support it. It's a lot of speculation and theory crafting
@@darthskele It's not bad. Melina could be, like, Marika's recycled soul, actually. We never see Marika do anything after we enter the Erdtree, after all. She's empty. It's only after shifting to Radagon that the body does anything.
For the sake of interest, here's the original Japanese text from the War Memorial that describes the Second Defense of Leyndell: 第二次ローデイル防衛戦 "Second Defensive Battle of Lodil" 忌み鬼、英雄の屍を築く "The Abhorrent Ogre* piles the corpses of heroes" 黄金樹に揺らぎなし "The Golden Tree does not waver" (*Here Morgott is referred to as 忌み鬼 "imi oni," literally "abhorrent ogre", which obviously does not roll off the tongue quite so well in English as "Omen King") Unlike other situations where Frognation took substantial creative liberty to make the game's localization sound more natural (see "Marika's tits"), the English version of this text is an entirely literal, word-for-word translation except for a couple of small changes which appear to have been made purely for flavor: "The Second Defense of Leyndell The Fell Omen stacks high the corpses of heroes Yet the Erdtree remains unshaken" The important difference here is the addition of the word "yet" to the third line of the English translation, changing the meaning of that line from an implicit consequence of the preceding line ("The Abhorrent Ogre piles the corpses of heroes; [and] The Golden Tree does not waver") to a more explicit counterpoint ("The Fell Omen stacks high the corpses of heroes; Yet [despite his efforts,] the Erdtree remains unshaken"). The English reading thereby takes on the connotation that Morgott himself was attacking the city, whereas the original Japanese is more ambiguous and better fits the idea that Morgott was fighting the city's attackers. It's funny how a single word can have such a drastic effect on the overall message, and anyone reading the English translation can certainly be forgiven for being misled by it (as I myself was, before coming across hard evidence to the contrary in the game's cut content). Another interesting difference is that the Japanese text refers to Leyndell as "Lodil," which I strongly suspect is because writing "Leyndell" in katakana would be a phonetic nightmare and native speakers of Japanese would struggle to pronounce it (see also a variety of similar cases in other media, such as Ronald McDonald being renamed to "Donald McDonald" in Japan because "L" and "R" have the same sound and are represented by the same symbols in the Japanese syllabary, so Paul Marketing decided that Ronald's original name would trip up Japanese audiences with its multitude of alternating Ls and Rs).
I think that monument is *supposed* to be ambiguous. The fact that Margit is actually the Lord of Leyndell and loves the Erdtree is a big twist, so that monument being able to be read both ways depending on what knowledge you know is an important part of that.
To add to the other reply, "yet the Erdtree remains unshaken," with the context that Morgott was defending Leyndell, would seem to signify and add credence to his claim that he is unloved by the Erdtree and by grace, despite his service in its honor.
I always felt like the Primordial Crucible was literally the wound made in the Formless Mother, who is the fabric of reality, when the Elden Beast crashed into the Lands Between. It would make sense that the bubbling, bloody crater would be initially worshipped as the cradle of the Erdtree before the revisionism kicked in, and it’s the only explanation I can think of for why the Omen have bloody and holy powers.
1:18:00 Hopefully now Woolie understands the part about "Betrayal" from Bernahls dropped blasphemous claw. You can't get betrayed unless you're working together. If you're working together who would send Maliketh upon betrayal? I'm astonished they didn't get that.
I'm saying this off the top of my head so I'm not 100% certain of the details, but I know if you return to Ranni's tower after you marry her but before beating the game, she has an additional set of conversations with you regarding her goals and the Age of Stars. If you have these with her as opposed to just going straight to the tree it tweaks her ending dialog a bit - notably changing "My fair consort eternal" to "My dear consort eternal"
1.00 Waterfowl Dance is completely different and she has Sekiro deflections. BjornTheBear (I think) shows off a lot more than that in a recent upload. The game isn't significantly different but the smaller details add up to much different experience between text/voice line alteration to tweaked values. Hell the beta had DSR poise instead of the weird DS3 style one we have now.
Keep in mind that the ending dialogues for Ranni is badly localized. In the badly localized dialogues she talks as if she is removing all independence, emotions & other senses from all in the planet you are on before you two leaves but on the origonal japanese dialogues it'd the opposite. She leaves the planet with you along with all the interferences of the outer gods and other higher beings. Leaving all the planet's natural & original denizens to give them control of their own destinies. In other words, basically making the world a place like real life.
"Heroes" in the context of the game might be specifically referring to the savage warriors of the badlands. Note how, when making your character, the class referring to that origin is called "Hero". It's probably more likely that the "strong warriors on both sides" interpretation is more accurate though.
Woolie telling Reggie "it's your fault" and "too bad" for taking so long to play Bloodborne and worrying about spoilers is just... It's like a chef's kiss, but with honey on your lips, and while listening to sweet, sweet music. Just incredible
Man i honestly hope we eventually have some from soft exec just stealth drop the timelines notes grrm wrote for the backstory, just to finally have an idea of the plot, but because theyre notes only its still abstract and nutty
The craziest thing about the massive success of Elden Ring is the sheer amount of new faces in the whole lore community surrounded it, how their output of content has utterly lapped around Vaati at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a sizable portion of new From players getting into lore who just have no clue that Vaati was like THE lore explainer guy. It's fine he likes to take his time and craft really well put together and definitive video essays, but with relatively few of them out as of now I worry they'll be lost in an ocean of off-the-cuff speculating videos on every little aspect of the entire Elden Ring world.
I could be wrong but I bet that happened when Bloodborne came out too. I didn't get into the"lore community" when BB came out, just watched the sbfp playthrough and dabbled in playing myself.
@@AngryHomunculus lions also hunt in packs. Also maliketh is also pretty lion like, he's agile and has similarity to the arm blade lion enemies as woolie pointed out
Thanks for the journey, so great to hear your developing thoughts and theories as you progress through. Hope to hear your review and indepth additional discussion on the game.
What I always found so telling about Malena’s origins beyond her phrasings and the not-at-all subtle filename, is her moveset, skills, and fighting stances are reminiscent if not even identical in spots to a hybrid of the Black Knife Assassins and the Scarlet Valkyries. Her knife, “Blade of Calling”, is even eerily similar THE Black Knife used by assassins, it’s exception being it utilizes and scales faith. A lot of people believe that’s what the blades all looked like prior to being infused with Destined Death, and the projectile it launches is a nondeath gold variation of the knive’s death attack. Really gets you thinking is all 🤔
Man. What a wild ride. Months of this. It was as if I was replaying the game. GOnna be bummed out that it's gone, gonna miss watching this while I had lunch before work.
I'm wondering if the Gloam-Eyed Queen was, like Radagon, some kind of splinter or familiar of Marika? That could explain why she's referred to as an Empyrean, and how she came to possess the Rune of Death after Marika removed it from the Elden Ring. Perhaps the Gloam-Eyed Queen was assigned as it's original caretaker, but when she started using it to empower the Godskins, Marika decided she needed to be taken out and sent Maliketh to do so and become it's new holder?
I think maybe "you have yet to become me" might be less literal than it sounds. Marika might just be sassing Radagon for not coming around to her way of thinking yet.
Fantastic LP congrats guys. Almost got all the endings in one playthrough. And even right up to the end Woolie still referencing GRRM like he wrote every word instead of the marketing gimmick it actually was. There is a reason the story/lore is strangely similar to Dark Souls.
I believe GRRM wrote the whole family drama around Rennala and Radagon, the Godfrey lineage and Mogh, the incestuous barely-legal connoisseur. My man had to put internal family drama and incest on the game.
@@sharkuel from interviews sounds more like he wrote a synopsis of events and people and then Miyazaki Dark Souls’ed it up. Otherwise if GRRM really did write all of the major lore then if I was From I would be asking for my money back since it is waaaaaay too similar to Dark Souls in all of its major themes and story beats.
Now that the longest LP on the channel is now done; I hope they play Live A live soon. Such a great and unique RPG that I don’t see LP’d a lot since it’s release.
I prefer this type of react andy content, play or go through the actual content and then talk and see analysis content. It's like a good supplement and has actual relevance this I like.
So for the next game Woolie should turn an entire wall into an information web like VaatiVidya's web. Well it might end up being the entire room but you have to start somewhere.
As someone with Crohn's, when Woolie and Reggie showed off Dung Eater's ending thing, it was hilarious till it got too real and I fast forwarded and like, broke out in a FIERCE sweat lmao. VERY NERVOUS now lmao.
Unfortunately thats not a chaos ring. It's the ring she gave you to call torrent. Meaning in your chaos you burnt the ring thus killing him, giving her more of a reason to hunt you
Should point out that’s not a chaos ring. Thats Torrent’s Spectral Whistle, you even hear his whistle when you approach it. It implies the first genuine true casualty of the Lord of Chaos is Torrent since the ring fades to ash in her palm. Hence why Melina begins to take your decision personally.
Fragments of the Elden ring are stuck into the hammer of Radagon from where both Marika and Radagon broke and tried to fix it so it's my belief how you mend it by adding a new rune to fill in the gap
Seeing close ups of Wools in this video makes me realise he has two eyebrow piercings - takes me back, I had exactly the same piercings in college :) (two bars in right eyebrow) They didn't ever heal properly, but it was a fun thing when I was like 20yrs younger than I am now. Glad Wools is still rocking it.
I thought one of the ideas relating to the ranni ending is that the outer gods would be allowed to run rampant, with no golden order or anything to stand in their way
It's the opposite, but the translation made it confusing. She doesnt even want the Golden Order gone either, she only has beef with the outer gods and wants their influence gone so people can have free will.
This wasn't on the Elden Ring playlist for me, it goes up to episode 147 and there are the best offs, but not this one. No biggie just a heads-up if someone reads this.
To be honest, you guys taking a break from Souls is just another excuse for me to go back and restart the DS2 playthrough on the SBFP channel. The last few episodes really got me nostalgic for the DROP YOUR SHIELD era.
Thinking about it now, the Elden Ring still exists in most endings. And the Elden Beast *is* the Elden Ring. So the player beats the beast's ass so hard it digivolves back into bling.
@@BlackHeart1216 Frenzied Flame, too. Those are the only two endings where the power the new Elden Lord wields comes not from repaired and newly bound Marika, who in turn borrows them from Greater Will, but from different Outer Gods entirely.
@@fillosof66689 Yep, super fair. Totally spaced it even though I just watched those endings and saw them for myself. Nice catch, you and Chainer above.
While it's tempting to chalk it up to being the "waifu ending" I do think Age of Stars is the best ending, along side Lord of Frenzied Flame. Just for the fact that the other 4 are nearly pallet-swapped endings that rely entirely on implication and item description to try and get their theme across. I know that some feel that the ambiguity and implication work in their favor, like a lot of FromSoft stories, but I feel the end of the story is where that stuff needs to pay off in some way, and all 4 Elden Lord endings having almost the same dialogue about them and a different skybox is not a terrific pay off.
Great LP, glad you guys managed to keep it as blind and new as you did over such an extended sweep of such a large game. A certain level of wiki searching is basically part of the playthrough, even the first playthrough. Such has been the case since Demon's Souls. I look forward to maybe hearing about the adventures of Reggarth the Tarnished offscreen perhaps, since even if he did pick up the controller for a Second Gig (very unlikely) it would be after going though the rest of the franchise first. I don't see the harm in Reggie enjoying a game he's basically been given the full experience of already.
Leyendell was attacked by liurnia which later became an ally, so maybe they call them heroes because they don’t want to vilify their new allies Edit: unconfirmed if liurnia attacked the capitol directly.
The Second Defense of Leyndell, which that heroes line is referring to, is probably from Radahn. We have art of him and Margit fighting and that's the only place that that would fit. Liurnia during the shattering was largely left alone. It had its own civil war to deal with between the Carian Royals and the Academy Scholars.
@@Silverhawk100 true, I always viewed the first defense as the war with the dragons, and the second as the war with liurnia (as seen in the story trailer) Is it ever explained why radahn went to war against leyendell? Was it simply to claim great runes? As vaati pointed out radahn admired Godfrey and even the golden order to some extent. Maybe that artwork was when radahn was still a carian? I really want vaati to make a video that is simply a timeline of events. Would help a lot.
The ingame and metagame sources on this are somewhat inconsistent, and most likely just reflect different story iterations at different points in development. For example, in the Elden Ring story trailer, during the scene where Leyndell is launching those giant perfume spikes at an attacking army, if you look closely when the camera zooms out near the end of that shot, you can clearly see that it's Godrick's army attacking the city-the grey plumes on the knights' helmets, and the tree-and-beast surcoats the soldiers are wearing, are unmistakably visible just before the fade to black. Was this the First or Second Defense of Leyndell, or some other battle entirely? Arguments exist for each possibility.
@@shooterman2535 "Is it ever explained why Radahn went to war against Leyndell?" The previous Elden Lord, Radagon, is gone. Trapped in the Erd-Tree with Marika. The council of regents that Morgott points to in his cutscene have fallen apart and Malenia has already laid siege to Leyndell (causing Godrick to sneak out of the city in a dress back to Stormveil). Radahn wants to follow in Godfrey's footsteps and become Elden Lord. In order to do that, you need to control the city.
@@Silverhawk100 thanks for the clarification. I didn’t even realize malenia also attacked leyndell, it sounds like Morgott was able to hold his own against the Demi god “traitors” which is impressive. We need an elden ring sequel that lets us time travel kinda like ds2
Woolie, there's an interesting fact about the Prisioner class,that if im not mistaken you originally started with, that may interest you and other Berserk fans: There's another factor that links the prisoner class to Griffith besides the metal gimp helm. Spoilers for the Berserk manga from here on out. First as we all know The Prisoner represents the archetype of the Spellblade, a swordsman that uses magic along side swordplay to fight. Story wise this makes the prisoner the perfect role for the Tarnished that brings about the Age of the Stars (AoS) ending, which in turn makes The Prisoner a full blown Expy/parallel of Griffith himself in the lore of Elden Ring due to all the parallels/similarities in both Griffith's story and the storyline the Prisioner Tarnish has to walk to reach that ending. First lets talk about Griffith. To make things short in the manga Berserk Griffith is taken prisioner for seducing the crown princesses of Midland and spends a year being tortured while wearing the iron mask shown in the video. Later, after being released by his companions he's given the choice to sacrifice said companions in order to kinda ascend/transform into an evil demonic god, a member of the GodHand; and the Prisioner's journey to bring about the AoS is a positive/good twist and interpretation of this, a "Griffith, but not actually Griffith, did nothing wrong" sceneario. How and why? The reasons/similarities are as follow: First: Griffith was a skilled swordsman that mainly uses a slender blade which allowed him to move freely in combat. The Prisioner, and the Spellblade archetype as a whole, also uses a slender blade and moves freely in combat in order to avoid damage as opposed to a full blown armored magic knight that dives head first in the thick of it and takes hits head on due to wearing a full set of armor. Second: While the magic knight is typically show as a fantasy version of a medieval British knight, the Spellblade is sometimes presented in fantasy with an appearance similar to that of a sword wielding French Musketeer. It is theorized by many Berserk fans that the story is mainly set in a fantasy version of France (there's a video somewhere in yt that may point at this) making Griffith a French man furthering the connection between him and the Prisioner/Spellblade. Third there's the Prisioner's origins: According to the game the Prisioner used to mingled among the elite or was a straight up member before "falling from grace". The elite being probably the Carian Royal Family since the spell that The Prisoner uses at the start of the game is one of Carian origin. In Griffith's case he was very well liked by the nobility of Midland before being sentenced. Fourth: Griffith's fall was due to him seducing Charlotte, the crown princess of Midland while the Tarnished Prisioner properly becomes the consort of Ranni the (legal) crown royal princes of the Carian Royal Family at the end of her quest, which is necessary to unlock the AoS ending. Four and a half: At the End of Ranni's quest line, when you become her consort, the Tarnished is gifted with the Darkmoon GreatSword. This would be perfect for the Prisioner who is a Spellblade and the Dark Moon Greatsword is a literal magical sword fit for the consort of a demigod known as the Lunar Princess. Fifth: In order to achive his ascension into the GodHand Griffith willingly sacrificed his companions, the Band of the Hawk. At the end of Ranni's quest all of your questline companions, Ranni's subordinates, also end up dead due to different circumstances. The main difference being that while Griffith knew what He was doing the deaths of Blaidd and Iji were not intentional on part of the Tarnished and are seen as unfortunate; except for Seluvis, that creep got what he deserved. Sixth, and this is the big one: Griffith became/ascend into a member of the GodHand, a group of god like demons that serve an Eldritch god that is technically the main antagonist of the whole story, at least thematically speaking that is, the GH and Griffith in particular are the true bad guys. Meanwhile at the AoS ending Ranni, possibly representing an unseen moon themed god/entity (the jury is still out on that one), becomes the goddess of the new aforementioned age just like Marika was the goddess of the previous one. This would mean that as her consort the Tarnished/Prisioner ascended into a demigod, the Elden Lord of the Stars, just like Godfry, Radagon and by extension both their respective children were ascended into god like status when they married Marika.
I think of the "Color Pallete" Endings that The Rune of Mending Death may be my favorite, both aesthetically, and for what it implies lorewise. Those who Live in Death, gone is the cycle of Reincarnation, and now is the time of Those who Live in Death, until they choose to accept death at the hands of the Guardians of Ghostflames. It's neat, I like the idea of a Civilization of Undead and Living living in harmony. Not sure what it implies for Godwin though. Poor fellow.
Isn't godwyn basically a just a mutant self replicating Those Who Live In Death? If he can now die physically thanks to the rune can't you just try and kill his main body and the remaining deathroot
“Four armpits?”
Reggie: Nervous laughter
"You know I can't audibly say no"
I love this man
"Ou quoi?"
"Maybe more."
Why settle for four when Godrick the Grafted can offer you that and more
Pringles can
How did Radagon and Marika have kids? Answer: a single plant has both pistol and stamen. Empyrean is a kind of tree. Tarnished can be grafted. Fingers are branches. People are plants.
Next level Trigun shit. I love it.
Consider that they may not have been actually in the same body the entire time and just did it like normal.
Thats a very cool way to link the tree theme.
31:44 Woolie NO, do not pin your hope for lore answers on fromsoft DLC. Fromsoft DLC's job is to introduce a bunch of extra questions.
Exactly. I would have loved for the DLC to expand on Miquella but no. That's not how Souls DLCs works. DS1's & Bloodborne's DLCs are the only that answers a lot of questions about the origin of many problems occuring in the games.
@ReachStudioPro i have good news
@@ReachStudioPro lol
@@mydrillasanjay5397 Yeah, this DLC this time will be answering tons of shit.
This comment aged so well. Rest in peace anyone who wanted to know more about Godwyn😂
had to come back for one more episode just to get the puppet gush, huh
The blue cunny
Reggie's all about those 4 armpits and the temptation of the blue gash
"But Grimsby, eight legs"
Seven...
@@lefteron6804 Imagine!
"I too have felt the call of her puppet hands upon my tackle" - SsethTzeentach
The Blue Gash is a tempting prospect for many
"Just imagine, Tarnished, what those four armpits must smell like..."
"Hey hey people..."
-Sir Gideon Offnir the All-knowing
@@zigmus00A Hey hey Tarnished
Pringles Can
Woolie looks down that long dark road and went ooo a bus! Then proceeded to throw reggie and his fetish beneath it.
Reggie got isekai'd.
@@thelaughingrouge he got Isekai'd Yoshikage Kira style
*Woolie: So she's coming after me because I killed Torrent?*
The world is literally on fire Woolie!!!
You're given Torrent's whistle at the same time Melina agrees to to turn runes into your strength. I think this sequence shows Melina's regret and self blame for trusting you and empowering you, ultimately leading to you being lord of chaos.
The 'Heroes' confusion I think is due to the modern use of the word to mean morally righteous individuals (or 'good guys') who will sacrifice themselves for the sake of others whereas mythologically it's always meant individuals of great strength/power and/or renown. Figures who you make legends out of.
Also in Japanese there are two terms that they could be using to mean hero. Yuusha being commonly used for JRPG heroes while Eiyuu is the more classical interpretation. Woolie confirms they are using eiyuu a little after 1:56:05.
@@TheLemuroid 勇者(yuusha) = hero, the brave, man of valour
優者(yuusha) = Superior induvidual
Chaos Lord: *Looks at Steed Whistle* "Well, time to melt this into glue!"
Also, I really like the fan theory that the Tarnished actually died when he collapsed during his ending, and that its Shabriri piloting your body and becoming the Lord of Chaos.
Considering how the crazy people like taking over bodies, Hyetta taking Irina's body and Shabriri taking Yuras, it makes sense that Shabriri takes you over.
@@ColdEmperor that is even assuming that there are separate entities that possess those bodies, and not one outer god playing puppet theatre.
That's literally the finger ending. To allow the Greater Will to retake all life it gave away.
@@ReachStudioPro if the Greater Will was behind the Flame of Frenzy, why would it allow it's servants to genocide the Great Caravan as a precautionary measure? Why are Three Fingers considered one of the greatest sources of heresy?
the most appropiate ending for a souls game LP...
"ok vaati explain what the hell was that"
Fun thought for the Melina stuff around 2:20:00 or so - if Melina is the full sister of Malenia and Miquella, that means each "child cluster" has three children in it. (Godfrey, Morgott, Mohg)/(Radahn, Ranni, Rykard)/(Malenia, Miquella, Melina).
And if we assume that Melina being "burned and bodiless" Is something that could have been a result of a curse she has been born with, she would have that in common with Malenia and Miquella.
Always fun to point out that Godfrey is the only child of Marika who wasn't super fucked up, and is the only kid whose first letter is unique to his dad. Radahn, Ranni, and Rykard all got fucked up on their own so that doesn't count.
@@SinHurr Actually, my suspicion is that Mohg and Morgott are Omens because of Godfrey. He's closely linked to the Crucible Knights, fights (stomps) like them, and he's a wild man who's primal and atavistic compared to the lordly ways of the Golden Order. I would suspect any child of Godfrey might have a tendency to end up an omen - and all the royal omens under the capital are probably born of the Golden Lineage.
Godwyn*
Melina and Millicent wear the same outfit, so I like to view Melina as a "bud" the same way Millicent is. She's like a cloned offshoot of Marika and possibly asexually reproduced, so she doesn't actually fit in either trilogy. I think Marika was the gloam-eyed queen, forced into being the god of the golden order by the elden beast and her empyrean shadow, and so the reason for her having the purple eye and sort of becoming someone who seems to fit the role of the gloam eyed queen in the frenzy ending is like how Gowry hopes Millicent will become a scarlet valkyrie.
There's some extremely wild speculation that Ranni is actually Marika and Radagon's child and so was a part of the Malenia/Miquella set. (the Cuckoo and golden egg thing. People go nuts over this. Ranni's real body looks like Marika with red hair and shows no traits of Rennala, etc.) "Renna" may have been the actual child in the Radahn/Rykard set, and she's no longer around.
Game so big, even the LP needs an epilogue
The realization it was Torrent’s ring was a key moment
Wait it was Torrents ring??
@@music79075 Big time. Taking on the frenzied flame burns torrent's ring and likely destroys them or at least their way of entering the world again.
I was hoping they would realize that. "Chaos ring"...? Whatchu talkin' bout Woolie?
Imagine watching your friend play Elden Ring for months and then being forced to play Dark Souls 2 afterward.
he'll get to play bloodborne after, he'll be fine
sounds good to me since ds2 is a better game.
Come on, Dark Souls 2 is the game with the most issues in the series, yes, but it's far, far from a bad game. And there's also things it does better than any other game in the series - yes, including Elden Ring.
DS2 is a good game but a bad Souls game. Nothing more. Nothing less.
No it isn't and you're not cool or smart because you're playing a contrarian. @@revolversnake126
"The Law of Causality"
*Void has entered the chat*
Reggie with the armpit kick brock me live while watching it
I honestly expected the music with the Dung Eater's ending to be the basement theme from Resident Evil 1.
It was somehow better and worse at the same time.
Or that one shit mountain theme from Conker's Bad Fur Day.
@@LightningZerker Dung Eater = The Great Mighty Poo, confirmed.
When it comes to the Melina and Ranni connection, one theory is that Melina was one of the Black Knife Assassins. She has a similar move set in the Morgot fight when you summon her, and she promises to deliver "Destined Death". I'm thinking Melina may have had a role to play in the Assassins stealing the death rune from Maliketh, or at least in the night of black knives. Torrent might just be what Ranni recognized. Hard Maybe, though.
possible, but i think the more likely connection is that melina is the gloam-eyed queen, who ranni would obviously know as a prior wielder of death and may have been working with to bring about a new age by slaying marika.
I think Melina was the body Ranni left behind and that Relina (iirc), Rannis old name, was the Gloam Eyed Queen
@@music79075 then you have to explain the body on the liurnia divine tower with the cursemark on it and hints of red hair on its head
@@Yal_Rathol that was Rannis old body. Which she destroyed. However its essence lived on as Melina
@@music79075 then what's the spirit face and puppet body calling itself ranni?
I feel like Woolie's mind would literally melt if he got into that theory that the player is Miquella, reborn.
I didn't know the adaptation was receiving an OVA
Thanks to all the money generated from the Gacha Game
>Nearly three hours
I guess I have something to listen to while farming in Sunbreak
When it comes to the heroes bit, I think it's like heroes in the Greek sense... like great warriors, kind of how there were heroes on each side of the Trojan War
I don't think Melina is the old Dusk Eyed Queen that Maliketh defeated. There is much more evidence of Melina being a 3rd child of Radagon and Marikia alongside Miquella and Malenia.
Rather I think what her eye's implied in the Flame of Frenzy ending is that Melina took the power of the Destined Death upon herself becoming a new Gloam Eyed Queen an Empyrean Vassal for the Outer God related to Death. She did this out of desperation knowing it would be the only way she would be able to kill God (you). Melina's hair color changes too in that ending which we know Outer gods have a tendency to do for their Vassal's as seen with the red hair of the Fire Giants coming from the Fell God of Fire.
Dont underestimate the Moe Eyed Queen....
I like this theory.
I, personally, think that Melina is Marika in the same way that Radagon is Marika. I think Melina is an aspect of Marika, being born at the foot of the Erdtree, according to Melina herself, "burned and bodiless". And she can take on a corporeal form when close to the Erdtree within the capital of Leyndell. But this theory of her being Marika admittedly doesn't have a whole lot of evidence to support it. It's a lot of speculation and theory crafting
@@darthskele It's not bad. Melina could be, like, Marika's recycled soul, actually. We never see Marika do anything after we enter the Erdtree, after all. She's empty. It's only after shifting to Radagon that the body does anything.
For the sake of interest, here's the original Japanese text from the War Memorial that describes the Second Defense of Leyndell:
第二次ローデイル防衛戦 "Second Defensive Battle of Lodil"
忌み鬼、英雄の屍を築く "The Abhorrent Ogre* piles the corpses of heroes"
黄金樹に揺らぎなし "The Golden Tree does not waver"
(*Here Morgott is referred to as 忌み鬼 "imi oni," literally "abhorrent ogre", which obviously does not roll off the tongue quite so well in English as "Omen King")
Unlike other situations where Frognation took substantial creative liberty to make the game's localization sound more natural (see "Marika's tits"), the English version of this text is an entirely literal, word-for-word translation except for a couple of small changes which appear to have been made purely for flavor:
"The Second Defense of Leyndell
The Fell Omen stacks high the corpses of heroes
Yet the Erdtree remains unshaken"
The important difference here is the addition of the word "yet" to the third line of the English translation, changing the meaning of that line from an implicit consequence of the preceding line ("The Abhorrent Ogre piles the corpses of heroes; [and] The Golden Tree does not waver") to a more explicit counterpoint ("The Fell Omen stacks high the corpses of heroes; Yet [despite his efforts,] the Erdtree remains unshaken"). The English reading thereby takes on the connotation that Morgott himself was attacking the city, whereas the original Japanese is more ambiguous and better fits the idea that Morgott was fighting the city's attackers. It's funny how a single word can have such a drastic effect on the overall message, and anyone reading the English translation can certainly be forgiven for being misled by it (as I myself was, before coming across hard evidence to the contrary in the game's cut content).
Another interesting difference is that the Japanese text refers to Leyndell as "Lodil," which I strongly suspect is because writing "Leyndell" in katakana would be a phonetic nightmare and native speakers of Japanese would struggle to pronounce it (see also a variety of similar cases in other media, such as Ronald McDonald being renamed to "Donald McDonald" in Japan because "L" and "R" have the same sound and are represented by the same symbols in the Japanese syllabary, so Paul Marketing decided that Ronald's original name would trip up Japanese audiences with its multitude of alternating Ls and Rs).
I think that monument is *supposed* to be ambiguous. The fact that Margit is actually the Lord of Leyndell and loves the Erdtree is a big twist, so that monument being able to be read both ways depending on what knowledge you know is an important part of that.
To add to the other reply, "yet the Erdtree remains unshaken," with the context that Morgott was defending Leyndell, would seem to signify and add credence to his claim that he is unloved by the Erdtree and by grace, despite his service in its honor.
47:19 Time for Reggie to play BB already.
*"its NOT final!"*
-Woolie _"The Liar"_ Madden when confronted with the literal Final Boss.
@@sasaki999pro I think he was trying to save it by saying that the presence of aliens is not a final boss reveal.
I always felt like the Primordial Crucible was literally the wound made in the Formless Mother, who is the fabric of reality, when the Elden Beast crashed into the Lands Between. It would make sense that the bubbling, bloody crater would be initially worshipped as the cradle of the Erdtree before the revisionism kicked in, and it’s the only explanation I can think of for why the Omen have bloody and holy powers.
1:18:00 Hopefully now Woolie understands the part about "Betrayal" from Bernahls dropped blasphemous claw. You can't get betrayed unless you're working together. If you're working together who would send Maliketh upon betrayal? I'm astonished they didn't get that.
Did they tweak Ranni’s dialogue? Here she says “Let us go together”, but in earlier uploads of her ending she says “Well then, shall we?” instead.
I'm saying this off the top of my head so I'm not 100% certain of the details, but I know if you return to Ranni's tower after you marry her but before beating the game, she has an additional set of conversations with you regarding her goals and the Age of Stars. If you have these with her as opposed to just going straight to the tree it tweaks her ending dialog a bit - notably changing "My fair consort eternal" to "My dear consort eternal"
1.00 Waterfowl Dance is completely different and she has Sekiro deflections. BjornTheBear (I think) shows off a lot more than that in a recent upload. The game isn't significantly different but the smaller details add up to much different experience between text/voice line alteration to tweaked values. Hell the beta had DSR poise instead of the weird DS3 style one we have now.
Keep in mind that the ending dialogues for Ranni is badly localized. In the badly localized dialogues she talks as if she is removing all independence, emotions & other senses from all in the planet you are on before you two leaves but on the origonal japanese dialogues it'd the opposite.
She leaves the planet with you along with all the interferences of the outer gods and other higher beings. Leaving all the planet's natural & original denizens to give them control of their own destinies. In other words, basically making the world a place like real life.
"Heroes" in the context of the game might be specifically referring to the savage warriors of the badlands. Note how, when making your character, the class referring to that origin is called "Hero". It's probably more likely that the "strong warriors on both sides" interpretation is more accurate though.
Woolie telling Reggie "it's your fault" and "too bad" for taking so long to play Bloodborne and worrying about spoilers is just... It's like a chef's kiss, but with honey on your lips, and while listening to sweet, sweet music. Just incredible
Thanks so much for this series! Took a while catching up but well worth it.
Man i honestly hope we eventually have some from soft exec just stealth drop the timelines notes grrm wrote for the backstory, just to finally have an idea of the plot, but because theyre notes only its still abstract and nutty
I like how the Death ending is just Demons Souls
Woolie straight up lying to reggie about it not being final lmfao
The craziest thing about the massive success of Elden Ring is the sheer amount of new faces in the whole lore community surrounded it, how their output of content has utterly lapped around Vaati at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a sizable portion of new From players getting into lore who just have no clue that Vaati was like THE lore explainer guy. It's fine he likes to take his time and craft really well put together and definitive video essays, but with relatively few of them out as of now I worry they'll be lost in an ocean of off-the-cuff speculating videos on every little aspect of the entire Elden Ring world.
I could be wrong but I bet that happened when Bloodborne came out too. I didn't get into the"lore community" when BB came out, just watched the sbfp playthrough and dabbled in playing myself.
Man I really wish the DLC would take your ending choice into account and alter the DLC content to match it. That would be awesome
The Lands Between my ears are burning in the Chaos of all of Vaati's lore implications.
I love the Frenzied Flame ending. What better way to get back at a world that kicked your ass for 200+ hours than burning it all down!!
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Outstanding playthrough! Thank you, fellas
Shit sky may look bad, but at least it prevents the tree from munching on more souls.
1:50:00 guys. Dead heroes get put into jars and taken to mausoleums in this world. It makes sense to stack up bodies for that purpose post-battle.
Fun fact, there's evidence serrosh was originally maliketh, just like woolie thought.
Which one would win in a shirtless fistfight in the rain?
@@1wayroad935 Serrosh, purely based on the fact he's a lion, which can solo-fight, unlike wolves who need to teamfight
@@AngryHomunculus lions also hunt in packs. Also maliketh is also pretty lion like, he's agile and has similarity to the arm blade lion enemies as woolie pointed out
Thanks for the journey, so great to hear your developing thoughts and theories as you progress through. Hope to hear your review and indepth additional discussion on the game.
What I always found so telling about Malena’s origins beyond her phrasings and the not-at-all subtle filename, is her moveset, skills, and fighting stances are reminiscent if not even identical in spots to a hybrid of the Black Knife Assassins and the Scarlet Valkyries.
Her knife, “Blade of Calling”, is even eerily similar THE Black Knife used by assassins, it’s exception being it utilizes and scales faith. A lot of people believe that’s what the blades all looked like prior to being infused with Destined Death, and the projectile it launches is a nondeath gold variation of the knive’s death attack.
Really gets you thinking is all 🤔
Man. What a wild ride. Months of this. It was as if I was replaying the game. GOnna be bummed out that it's gone, gonna miss watching this while I had lunch before work.
This LP so big it even ends twice as long.
That Vaati mind map needs to be a poster I can buy.
Thank you both for this incredible LP!
I'm wondering if the Gloam-Eyed Queen was, like Radagon, some kind of splinter or familiar of Marika? That could explain why she's referred to as an Empyrean, and how she came to possess the Rune of Death after Marika removed it from the Elden Ring.
Perhaps the Gloam-Eyed Queen was assigned as it's original caretaker, but when she started using it to empower the Godskins, Marika decided she needed to be taken out and sent Maliketh to do so and become it's new holder?
Theres the idea that much like ranni, rahadan and rikard the queen and marika were sisters
Law of Causality created Radagon from Marika, another Marika. Then Law of Regression returned him to her. She became two then back to one.
I think the connection they're trying to make between the bell and the ring is that Miquella is Torrent's former master.
I live how some of the best bits on this channel start with the phrase “Yo Reggie…”
I think maybe "you have yet to become me" might be less literal than it sounds. Marika might just be sassing Radagon for not coming around to her way of thinking yet.
Fantastic LP congrats guys. Almost got all the endings in one playthrough.
And even right up to the end Woolie still referencing GRRM like he wrote every word instead of the marketing gimmick it actually was. There is a reason the story/lore is strangely similar to Dark Souls.
I believe GRRM wrote the whole family drama around Rennala and Radagon, the Godfrey lineage and Mogh, the incestuous barely-legal connoisseur.
My man had to put internal family drama and incest on the game.
@@sharkuel from interviews sounds more like he wrote a synopsis of events and people and then Miyazaki Dark Souls’ed it up.
Otherwise if GRRM really did write all of the major lore then if I was From I would be asking for my money back since it is waaaaaay too similar to Dark Souls in all of its major themes and story beats.
After expecting this LP to be over, I was very happy to see this
Now that the longest LP on the channel is now done; I hope they play Live A live soon. Such a great and unique RPG that I don’t see LP’d a lot since it’s release.
I prefer this type of react andy content, play or go through the actual content and then talk and see analysis content. It's like a good supplement and has actual relevance this I like.
What if because of the law of regression as 2 parts of a destined whole, even when separated they are the same being
25:22 I also started singing that song to myself when I watched this ending
fellow canadian here, the "Ya know?" that Woolie throws into his sentences feels like home
So for the next game Woolie should turn an entire wall into an information web like VaatiVidya's web. Well it might end up being the entire room but you have to start somewhere.
Props to Vaati for breaking it down for us.
1:28:24 Ah, excellent. Always happy to see someone embiggening their vocabulary.
30:30 She is taking the wedding ring back.
Radagon after fighting Rennala: Ay girl, let me get a look at that Full Moon
As someone with Crohn's, when Woolie and Reggie showed off Dung Eater's ending thing, it was hilarious till it got too real and I fast forwarded and like, broke out in a FIERCE sweat lmao. VERY NERVOUS now lmao.
Unfortunately thats not a chaos ring. It's the ring she gave you to call torrent. Meaning in your chaos you burnt the ring thus killing him, giving her more of a reason to hunt you
Thanks for leaving the playlist on a cliffhanger
2:36:55
"It's the shape of the boat too"
What other shape would a boat be?? Lol 🤦♂️
Should point out that’s not a chaos ring. Thats Torrent’s Spectral Whistle, you even hear his whistle when you approach it. It implies the first genuine true casualty of the Lord of Chaos is Torrent since the ring fades to ash in her palm. Hence why Melina begins to take your decision personally.
Fragments of the Elden ring are stuck into the hammer of Radagon from where both Marika and Radagon broke and tried to fix it so it's my belief how you mend it by adding a new rune to fill in the gap
Seeing close ups of Wools in this video makes me realise he has two eyebrow piercings - takes me back, I had exactly the same piercings in college :) (two bars in right eyebrow) They didn't ever heal properly, but it was a fun thing when I was like 20yrs younger than I am now. Glad Wools is still rocking it.
I thought one of the ideas relating to the ranni ending is that the outer gods would be allowed to run rampant, with no golden order or anything to stand in their way
It's the opposite, but the translation made it confusing.
She doesnt even want the Golden Order gone either, she only has beef with the outer gods and wants their influence gone so people can have free will.
Welcome to space my dudes.
Just like Mass Effect, there are blue chicks awakening things you never thought you had
This wasn't on the Elden Ring playlist for me, it goes up to episode 147 and there are the best offs, but not this one. No biggie just a heads-up if someone reads this.
Also the big mystery of "who is torrent's former master" has, like, zero fucking clues.
To be honest, you guys taking a break from Souls is just another excuse for me to go back and restart the DS2 playthrough on the SBFP channel. The last few episodes really got me nostalgic for the DROP YOUR SHIELD era.
Thinking about it now, the Elden Ring still exists in most endings. And the Elden Beast *is* the Elden Ring. So the player beats the beast's ass so hard it digivolves back into bling.
Ranni Disintegrates it in hers
@@BlackHeart1216 Frenzied Flame, too.
Those are the only two endings where the power the new Elden Lord wields comes not from repaired and newly bound Marika, who in turn borrows them from Greater Will, but from different Outer Gods entirely.
@@fillosof66689 Yep, super fair. Totally spaced it even though I just watched those endings and saw them for myself. Nice catch, you and Chainer above.
While it's tempting to chalk it up to being the "waifu ending" I do think Age of Stars is the best ending, along side Lord of Frenzied Flame. Just for the fact that the other 4 are nearly pallet-swapped endings that rely entirely on implication and item description to try and get their theme across. I know that some feel that the ambiguity and implication work in their favor, like a lot of FromSoft stories, but I feel the end of the story is where that stuff needs to pay off in some way, and all 4 Elden Lord endings having almost the same dialogue about them and a different skybox is not a terrific pay off.
Mass Effect 3.
Most soulsborne games don't have payoffs at the end just look at Bloodborne its ending don't give you anything
I'm still sorta thinking the DLC might take us to the moon.
Great LP, glad you guys managed to keep it as blind and new as you did over such an extended sweep of such a large game. A certain level of wiki searching is basically part of the playthrough, even the first playthrough. Such has been the case since Demon's Souls. I look forward to maybe hearing about the adventures of Reggarth the Tarnished offscreen perhaps, since even if he did pick up the controller for a Second Gig (very unlikely) it would be after going though the rest of the franchise first. I don't see the harm in Reggie enjoying a game he's basically been given the full experience of already.
Scatborne
im genuinely impressed by their notes
Leyendell was attacked by liurnia which later became an ally, so maybe they call them heroes because they don’t want to vilify their new allies
Edit: unconfirmed if liurnia attacked the capitol directly.
The Second Defense of Leyndell, which that heroes line is referring to, is probably from Radahn. We have art of him and Margit fighting and that's the only place that that would fit. Liurnia during the shattering was largely left alone. It had its own civil war to deal with between the Carian Royals and the Academy Scholars.
@@Silverhawk100 true, I always viewed the first defense as the war with the dragons, and the second as the war with liurnia (as seen in the story trailer)
Is it ever explained why radahn went to war against leyendell? Was it simply to claim great runes? As vaati pointed out radahn admired Godfrey and even the golden order to some extent.
Maybe that artwork was when radahn was still a carian?
I really want vaati to make a video that is simply a timeline of events. Would help a lot.
The ingame and metagame sources on this are somewhat inconsistent, and most likely just reflect different story iterations at different points in development. For example, in the Elden Ring story trailer, during the scene where Leyndell is launching those giant perfume spikes at an attacking army, if you look closely when the camera zooms out near the end of that shot, you can clearly see that it's Godrick's army attacking the city-the grey plumes on the knights' helmets, and the tree-and-beast surcoats the soldiers are wearing, are unmistakably visible just before the fade to black. Was this the First or Second Defense of Leyndell, or some other battle entirely? Arguments exist for each possibility.
@@shooterman2535 "Is it ever explained why Radahn went to war against Leyndell?" The previous Elden Lord, Radagon, is gone. Trapped in the Erd-Tree with Marika. The council of regents that Morgott points to in his cutscene have fallen apart and Malenia has already laid siege to Leyndell (causing Godrick to sneak out of the city in a dress back to Stormveil). Radahn wants to follow in Godfrey's footsteps and become Elden Lord. In order to do that, you need to control the city.
@@Silverhawk100 thanks for the clarification. I didn’t even realize malenia also attacked leyndell, it sounds like Morgott was able to hold his own against the Demi god “traitors” which is impressive.
We need an elden ring sequel that lets us time travel kinda like ds2
This was great!
OMFG WE GOT EVEN MORE!?!? THANK YOU SO MUCH LOL
Reggie on DS2 wheeeeeeeeennnnnnn tho! lol
Elden ring where you can create the dodo universe
Have you ever found yourself skipping back and forth in a video of some one else skipping back and forth
Woolie, there's an interesting fact about the Prisioner class,that if im not mistaken you originally started with, that may interest you and other Berserk fans:
There's another factor that links the prisoner class to Griffith besides the metal gimp helm. Spoilers for the Berserk manga from here on out.
First as we all know The Prisoner represents the archetype of the Spellblade, a swordsman that uses magic along side swordplay to fight. Story wise this makes the prisoner the perfect role for the Tarnished that brings about the Age of the Stars (AoS) ending, which in turn makes The Prisoner a full blown Expy/parallel of Griffith himself in the lore of Elden Ring due to all the parallels/similarities in both Griffith's story and the storyline the Prisioner Tarnish has to walk to reach that ending.
First lets talk about Griffith. To make things short in the manga Berserk Griffith is taken prisioner for seducing the crown princesses of Midland and spends a year being tortured while wearing the iron mask shown in the video. Later, after being released by his companions he's given the choice to sacrifice said companions in order to kinda ascend/transform into an evil demonic god, a member of the GodHand; and the Prisioner's journey to bring about the AoS is a positive/good twist and interpretation of this, a "Griffith, but not actually Griffith, did nothing wrong" sceneario. How and why?
The reasons/similarities are as follow:
First: Griffith was a skilled swordsman that mainly uses a slender blade which allowed him to move freely in combat. The Prisioner, and the Spellblade archetype as a whole, also uses a slender blade and moves freely in combat in order to avoid damage as opposed to a full blown armored magic knight that dives head first in the thick of it and takes hits head on due to wearing a full set of armor.
Second: While the magic knight is typically show as a fantasy version of a medieval British knight, the Spellblade is sometimes presented in fantasy with an appearance similar to that of a sword wielding French Musketeer. It is theorized by many Berserk fans that the story is mainly set in a fantasy version of France (there's a video somewhere in yt that may point at this) making Griffith a French man furthering the connection between him and the Prisioner/Spellblade.
Third there's the Prisioner's origins:
According to the game the Prisioner used to mingled among the elite or was a straight up member before "falling from grace". The elite being probably the Carian Royal Family since the spell that The Prisoner uses at the start of the game is one of Carian origin. In Griffith's case he was very well liked by the nobility of Midland before being sentenced.
Fourth:
Griffith's fall was due to him seducing Charlotte, the crown princess of Midland while the Tarnished Prisioner properly becomes the consort of Ranni the (legal) crown royal princes of the Carian Royal Family at the end of her quest, which is necessary to unlock the AoS ending.
Four and a half:
At the End of Ranni's quest line, when you become her consort, the Tarnished is gifted with the Darkmoon GreatSword. This would be perfect for the Prisioner who is a Spellblade and the Dark Moon Greatsword is a literal magical sword fit for the consort of a demigod known as the Lunar Princess.
Fifth:
In order to achive his ascension into the GodHand Griffith willingly sacrificed his companions, the Band of the Hawk. At the end of Ranni's quest all of your questline companions, Ranni's subordinates, also end up dead due to different circumstances. The main difference being that while Griffith knew what He was doing the deaths of Blaidd and Iji were not intentional on part of the Tarnished and are seen as unfortunate; except for Seluvis, that creep got what he deserved.
Sixth, and this is the big one:
Griffith became/ascend into a member of the GodHand, a group of god like demons that serve an Eldritch god that is technically the main antagonist of the whole story, at least thematically speaking that is, the GH and Griffith in particular are the true bad guys. Meanwhile at the AoS ending Ranni, possibly representing an unseen moon themed god/entity (the jury is still out on that one), becomes the goddess of the new aforementioned age just like Marika was the goddess of the previous one. This would mean that as her consort the Tarnished/Prisioner ascended into a demigod, the Elden Lord of the Stars, just like Godfry, Radagon and by extension both their respective children were ascended into god like status when they married Marika.
I really think the situation with Marika and Radagon is the same as D. One soul two bodies. And then the shattering forced them into one
No because markia literally turns into radagon in the intro to his/her boss fight so it's more like two souls/minds one body
Thank you
Elden Ring: Hack the Planet!
Fog and flies. Didn't you see those black things on the floor are flies. Fia's zombie world is horrid.
I think of the "Color Pallete" Endings that The Rune of Mending Death may be my favorite, both aesthetically, and for what it implies lorewise.
Those who Live in Death, gone is the cycle of Reincarnation, and now is the time of Those who Live in Death, until they choose to accept death at the hands of the Guardians of Ghostflames.
It's neat, I like the idea of a Civilization of Undead and Living living in harmony.
Not sure what it implies for Godwin though. Poor fellow.
Isn't godwyn basically a just a mutant self replicating Those Who Live In Death? If he can now die physically thanks to the rune can't you just try and kill his main body and the remaining deathroot
I'm pretty sure Fia gives him a true death in the making of her mending rune, at least she says that's what she's going to do
@@BlackHeart1216 I always heard her as in what she was doing would give him *new* life through death somehow. Like reincarnation of some sort no?
3 words that should help woolie understand Marika (murica) and radagon: father, son, and holy-spirit
Man sometimes I wish Woolie would make more reaction type content. I wonder if he'd get an aneurysm watching Max0r lmao
He'd probably get ADHD.
Two guys taking copious notes for four hundred hours have no idea what's going on.
I'd say they've lore hunted quite well over the series.
its more interesting that way
Aside the room in the hall of Revenants they got pretty much everything.