@@In-The-Zone yo minh was actually the worst person in the room it so funny like Minh Chaotic Evil, Woolie True Neutral, Reggie ,Lawful Good Minh sees the guy is the hostage and still thinks "he's being sketchy shoot him while Woolie just wants to hear the story IE gain information before deciding if the guy is trust worthy or not I never saw the playthrough but knowing how this game works, this is gonna be a fun hour watching him realize he's a bad person, technically they're all bad for playing anyways since the only way to be a good person is not to play Wish Last of Us 2 was this good
Too bad you missed the secret ending, where Konrad shows up and stops the fighting. And when Walker is being tried for his crimes, his lawyer says "He's the coolest guy" and everything gets swept under the rug.
Best of Spec Ops: The Line in Cognitive Dissonance Timestamps 2:35 Off to a great start 5:07 They got a fucking DJ 10:42 War Crim-Minh-nal #1 15:57 War Crim-Minh-nal #2 21:34 Easy Mode is now selectable 23:04 War Crim-Minh-nal #3 24:16 Obligatory sand joke 30:40 Black Hawk Down air dodge 32:21 Woolie Pete / white phosphorus scene 41:29 Who lives, who dies 44:07 Point blank RPG 45:09 Cult of personality talk 49:05 Zulu Squad's arrival 55:41 Yoinking water 1:00:07 Deciding Gould's fate 1:01:15 Rated "E" 1:03:45 Heavy "Boss Fight" 1:08:58 He was reaching for his gun 1:13:20 Meeting the Radioman 1:23:35 The Human Factor 1:26:48 Lugo 1:29:41 Chapter 14 title screen 1:33:15 Final shootout 1:36:11 Chapter 15 title screen ~1:40:42 Ending #1~ 1:41:28 Plot discussion begins here till the end 1:45:21 Feels retrieved ~1:47:57 Ending #2~ 1:48:53 Minh activates the self-destruct sequence ~1:54:01 Ending #3~ ~1:56:15 Ending #4~
Sigh... Spec Ops: The Line... I remember playing through this when it came out. CoD was right in the middle of its New game every year-patriotism fueled road to glory and I was expecting something just like that. Then things start to go wrong. I remember thinking that "That's harsh but we can still fix this". Even as the atrocities kept piling up I had this hope that maybe there was a silver lining, maybe there was some way that all of it would be justified, that maybe there would be some semblance of a good ending. Then the White Phosphorous scene happened. I think it was sometime between that and the water tankers being blown up that I finally realized that there was no way to fix this. It was just going to be this endless spiral of horror all the way down to the bottom, however far down that was. This game was chilling and I love it.
1:32:19 I'll never understand how all 3 of them missed the Heavy looking like Lugo. The game became real to them, seeing hallucination of a hallucination.
the idea of Walker screaming I TRIED TO SAVE YOU at this random heavy, who's probably sitting in his armor going "dafuq?" is pretty funny the idea that Woolie and crew all sat there assuming this man was just some random Terminator was funnier.
I would have loved it if, after you complete the game, you get the option to just turn around and leave at the start of the game once you’ve done your mission. This way, developers get to keep their “just walk away” ending, and people don’t immediately jump for it in their first play through.
They were planning it. But too many took that option out and kinda missed the game. So it became the "we had a stupid loop but the testers kept taking it FOR HOURS" type situation.
Darlington "Woolie Pete" Madden, Minh "Geneva Convention, more like Geneva To-do-list" T, and Reggie "Your honor, how can it be a WAR crime if they were civilians" Gaston in... Martin Walker's Wacky Mishaps (I can't believe Konrad has personally charred all those innocent people with a BIC lighter and then tried blaming it all on you smh)
you 34:00 onward Minh is the only person who notices that people aren't moving and thinks we shouldn't shoot there only for woolie to pull a "did someone say boom" moment this game was made for woolie, your a muderer
Between this, Castle Super Beast, his trips through the "Cage-verse" and the Shitstorm character hit attempts I'm shocked Woolie has not become a Canadian supervillain by now.
While Hotline Miami’s is still the mediums best exploration of Ludo-narrative dissonance, I’m so glad a game like Spec ops the line exists. While I played it years after its initial release, it still floored me that a big budget game was able ask these questions of an audience that an activision/EA project wouldn’t dare go near.
@@Samm815 yeah. What the MW devs did to the highway of death historical event was disgusting. The whole game is the type of game that spec ops the line was critiquing.
@@Samm815 I really do hope someone tries the spec-ops TL gamble again; the industry and the artform really needs it. The only other game that got close was MGSV, but that, for as great as it was, had a bunch of tone and padding issues that held it back.
Spoilers for the game: Remember, no you couldn't have turned back and radioed for backup as told. You couldn't have "not used" willy pete. This is not a FPS, this is a third person shooter. You are not the character. This is "Martin Walker" story, and you are just along for the ride. You can chose a few details of how it goes, but not all of them. And sure the game blurry things with the fourth wall, but it still is only condemning the main character. The path is set, putting the game down won't stop it's course anymore then closing a book will prevent the ending from happening. Or at least, that's how i see it.
Honestly your comment is reminding me of a bit from the Zero Punctuation episode on this game, in which Yahtzee poses the question "are we playing as Walker or the last remnant of his self-awareness?"
The pivotal WP scene is based on an honest accident--the implications happened to be extreme Yet the game is treating us like a monster over that. Walker isn't innocent, but he shouldn't be labelled a monster by others
@@zgSH4DOW He's not a monster nor is he a hero. He was a cowboy who wanted to be a hero. He could have turned around and gone home but the instant he opened fire on civilians, he was going into hell. And people wouldn't have cared, you really think things like the Mai Lai massacre could've gone down as an "accident"? How about the Highway to Hell? They don't care about the man holding the gun, they care about the little girl with napalm burns.
@@Samm815 Spoilers further The entire game is a hallucination from Walker, some more subtle then others (usually the more overt ones are lead with a white screen fade in).
"Jeremy. Someday, people will tell you about your father. For that, I'm sorry. I love you." That line has got to be the hardest thing I have ever heard of Father say to his son in a video game. That is INSANE.
Watching LP's is fun, but I think where Woolie shines the most is his longform analyses. He should do a retrospective on the game, having now played through it and (presumably) gained some insight into a few of the details he missed.
In retrospect it's so goddamn weird that some songs triggered the youtube algorithms, but Hush by Deep Purple didn't. 5:20 Also, I just realized how many games have players casually breaking the Geneva Conventions in gameplay.
I wonder if the number of games and movies with “good guys do war crime” scenes make it easier for actual soldiers to do war crimes. Like shooting surrendering soldiers in Saving Private Ryan or torturing captives in Zero Dark Thirty.
It's deeply frustrating, he's acting like a cartoon version of sorta rah-rah modern FPS player that the game is condemning. I haven't finished the video yet, but I get the sense that he's the sorta guy who wouldn't get the point that the game is trying to make even when it's spelled out for them.
Ngl, even if he was hella evil... leaving a man to burn alive after he asks you to not let him suffer... is also pretty evil. Also kinda hypocritical since Woolie’s hands weren’t clean at that point either.
I think the best part about the ending of this game overall is that it is very fourth wall breaking. Starting at "It appears that reports of my survival have been greatly exaggerated" is no longer Konrad talking to Walker, its now the game talking to the player from there on out.
Looking back at this thing, the guys chuckle or point out when the AI enemy does something dumb they interpret as poorly programmed AI. But now I think that almost all instances of this, save maybe 1, were intentional. I have to sit down with this game by myself and take it a little slower than Woolie so as to observe what's really happening. Woolie just mows them down immediately and it's obvious a few of the enemy soldiers were exhibiting weird behavior.
can anyone timestamp when exactly the loading screen stops giving game-relevant information and starts verbally chastening you for your sins? just curious
So is there a way to not mortar the civilians? When I played it I noticed they were probably civilians cus and took a good minute to see if I could do anything else, but couldn't figure it out.
Nope. You're shoehorned into it. Once I realised that, I rolled my eyes because the game was telling you the only way to stop it from happening was to turn off the game. Which is stupid. I'm not gonna pay money just to stop half way though.
@@NekoKujo6785 Then you missed the point of the whole section. The point is that you are being forced to do it, much like how Walker's squad are. You have two choices, die or phosphorus them. One of these choices does not push the game forward, the other is a terrible war crime in universe and out of.
@@NekoKujo6785 and Walker isnt going to turn around and abandon his mission just because the only he could win is by using the white phosphurus. Both Walker and the player suffer from sunken cost fallacy.
@@Joe-lr9ou Yah but I don't think its unreasonable for people to be upset that a game they payed for is telling them their a bad person for playing it.
@@shadowrobot7708 God forbid the game call out the player doing something horrible. Look at any CoD game where you do equal or worse war crimes, only to tell you how great you are. The point was in fact to put the player into reality, that things like the Tactical Nuke would in fact be a terrible war crime in reality, or dropping a napalm strike onto a whole squad, etc.
Oh man, I forgot how much of a shit show the comments of Spec Ops. videos become. Draws out all the edgy bois who think insulting others for liking it is cool.
This was *the worst* playthrough to have guests on, *especially* as a comedy-centric channel. That being said, they pointed out a lot of stuff Woolie wouldn't have gotten on his own like how Walker's combat lines get more aggressive as the game goes on. Also how did they all stare the hallucination of Lugo as a heavy right in the face and not even notice that it was him? Like, that isn't just missing a line of dialogue or a collectible, that's 3 men going braindead for like 5 seconds then going back to fully functional.
I think this game would have been better if the loading screens didn't change to tell you your a bad person for playing it. Its cheap and hollow because the player had no choice. I get its walkers fault and he should feel guilty. That doesn't extend to the player. Its much more impactful when a player does something terrible that they did not have to do. Darkest dungeon and This war of Mine have good examples of that where you don't have to be amoral but it makes it easier so the game telling you your a bad person or tying to make you feel bad for your actions actually hits because it was "your actions" not your characters.
The game kinda does both. The loading screen and phosphorus scenes are the less subtle but there is also awful thing that you can do as a player and you would barely notice. In multiple places, there are civilians running for their lives that can become collateral. There is also a choice in game where you "must" execute someone. Most player don't realize the right choice is to NOT execute the guys but the soldiers "forcing" you to choose. So yeah, some of the horrors come from the plot but gameplay plays a role too if you pay attention. Edit : There's another gameplay moment where you're surronded by hostile civilians. The game frames the scene as if you "must" shoot them. Truth is, you can shoot in the air to scare them. Back when the game came out, lot of people felt like shit for not realizing that.
@@hondshoven8477 Yeah that moment with the mob of civilians was really good. The game does have really good scenes. I just don't get why do many people liked the white phosphorus one I think it highlights the games biggest problem of railroading the player. I heard they wanted to have that be an option to use it but they ran out of development time which is a shame but also understandable. Its still an impressive game but if I bought it without knowing I probably would have been pissed off. Games that blame the player for something it forces you to do are a personal pet peeve of mine. If it doesn't both you all the power to yah :)
One interpretation of the game is that it's condemning thoughtlessness -- condemning the choice to sit back, relax, and Shoot Brown Dudes In The Desert For America without even thinking about what you're doing. Equally, it's condemning its own existence and the genre it's a part of -- one which encourages that thoughtlessness. A typical player expects killing to just be the thing they're going to do to advance the plot, and they're taken by surprise when it turns out that no, they needed to think about who they were killing, why, and to what end. Every choice the game _does_ give you is essentially the same choice, with it being at its most blatant when you get to the underpass. The game is trying to remind you that when you kill, you are making a moral judgment about who should live and who should not. This carries through all the way to the end: try taking the dialogue from the underpass scene and mentally overlaying it on the ending. Now consider that it applies equally well to every single enemy you kill. It doesn't matter that the game doesn't allow you to avoid the plot other than by not playing it. If you played through the game, realized that something wasn't right about how Walker (i.e. a typical player) was going about things, and anticipated things going bad, then the game's condemnation isn't directed at you. If you didn't see it coming, then you earned the game's criticisms.
Ok i don't see anyone in the comments really saying this, but the other guys playing with woolie were just really annoying annoying to me. Some of the hot takes where kinda based and i feel they were missing alot of good parts of the story. I kinda felt how annoyed he sounded when he explaining his theorys and that one guy i felt like he was just not getting it at all and keep saying saying thoughts that didn't make any sense. I felt we would have got better commentary from any other person then these guys. But maybe that's just me, i was just not enjoying myself as much as I wanted to.
I can respect your opinion, but at the end of the day that's who Woolie wanted to play the game with, and that's the experience he had. Being annoyed that it didn't fit your ideal for a playthrough won't change that
“Minh was blown out super hard by the game in the end, but this playthrough isn’t real, so why should you care?”
Perfection.
First he got sandbagged, then he got bodied.
Love ya Minh
TO BE FAIR! Woolie also ended up being completely wrong at 1:11:30
Minh's Wacky War Crimes feat. Woolie and Reggie
I feel bad for Minh because I was in his same situation back in the day in school. I know the feels.
_Ahem_ hypest heroics, you mean?
@@In-The-Zone yo minh was actually the worst person in the room it so funny
like Minh Chaotic Evil, Woolie True Neutral, Reggie ,Lawful Good
Minh sees the guy is the hostage and still thinks "he's being sketchy shoot him while Woolie just wants to hear the story IE gain information before deciding if the guy is trust worthy or not
I never saw the playthrough but knowing how this game works, this is gonna be a fun hour watching him realize he's a bad person, technically they're all bad for playing anyways since the only way to be a good person is not to play
Wish Last of Us 2 was this good
This video will be used as evidence in the gang’s trial
"Gentlemen...welcome to Dubai."
Chills. Every. Damn. Time.
*[Fortunate Son intensifies]*
One of the best openers to a game
And once you beat spec ops your first time
That quote hits different every time ever since
Too bad you missed the secret ending, where Konrad shows up and stops the fighting. And when Walker is being tried for his crimes, his lawyer says "He's the coolest guy" and everything gets swept under the rug.
Then Konrad looks back at Walker saying “you’d better be the next hero!” Before fading away...
Yeah, you have to play it on MAX difficulty using only a pistol.
@@Samm815 although really hard, it’s totally doable to do a pistol only run on FUBAR. Pistols are strong as shit in this game
Konrad is Walker's All Might
@@souloftherisingsun8274 Dude, I'm getting ready for my first FUBAR run. Wish me luck.
Best of Spec Ops: The Line in Cognitive Dissonance Timestamps
2:35 Off to a great start
5:07 They got a fucking DJ
10:42 War Crim-Minh-nal #1
15:57 War Crim-Minh-nal #2
21:34 Easy Mode is now selectable
23:04 War Crim-Minh-nal #3
24:16 Obligatory sand joke
30:40 Black Hawk Down air dodge
32:21 Woolie Pete / white phosphorus scene
41:29 Who lives, who dies
44:07 Point blank RPG
45:09 Cult of personality talk
49:05 Zulu Squad's arrival
55:41 Yoinking water
1:00:07 Deciding Gould's fate
1:01:15 Rated "E"
1:03:45 Heavy "Boss Fight"
1:08:58 He was reaching for his gun
1:13:20 Meeting the Radioman
1:23:35 The Human Factor
1:26:48 Lugo
1:29:41 Chapter 14 title screen
1:33:15 Final shootout
1:36:11 Chapter 15 title screen
~1:40:42 Ending #1~
1:41:28 Plot discussion begins here till the end
1:45:21 Feels retrieved
~1:47:57 Ending #2~
1:48:53 Minh activates the self-destruct sequence
~1:54:01 Ending #3~
~1:56:15 Ending #4~
I fucking love that “easy mode is now selectable” is just integrated into other things now. Good shit
Thanks man
i know im 3yrs late but they choose *Riggs' fate at the truck, not Gould's
Sigh... Spec Ops: The Line...
I remember playing through this when it came out. CoD was right in the middle of its New game every year-patriotism fueled road to glory and I was expecting something just like that.
Then things start to go wrong. I remember thinking that "That's harsh but we can still fix this". Even as the atrocities kept piling up I had this hope that maybe there was a silver lining, maybe there was some way that all of it would be justified, that maybe there would be some semblance of a good ending.
Then the White Phosphorous scene happened. I think it was sometime between that and the water tankers being blown up that I finally realized that there was no way to fix this. It was just going to be this endless spiral of horror all the way down to the bottom, however far down that was.
This game was chilling and I love it.
It really is a work of art.
1:32:19 I'll never understand how all 3 of them missed the Heavy looking like Lugo. The game became real to them, seeing hallucination of a hallucination.
Minh knew, he just didn't say anything.
You're confusing blindness for hallucinating. Woolie is the most unobservant person imaginable.
I'm literally laughing at what Lugo was saying, did you miss that?
@@SoushinSen We're used to Woolie ignoring or straight up misinterpreting things.
the idea of Walker screaming I TRIED TO SAVE YOU at this random heavy, who's probably sitting in his armor going "dafuq?" is pretty funny
the idea that Woolie and crew all sat there assuming this man was just some random Terminator was funnier.
Remember Woolie, even after all these months: You’re still a good person.
_Orange Ninja Jesus still forgives you, Woolie._
Remember
"No matter what happens next, don't be too hard on yourself. Even now, after all you've done, you can still go home. Lucky you."
Woolie vs "War Atrocities: Third Person Shooter Edition"
Best of *WoolCrimes™*
The Real Cryme Tyme starts now
Woolie “yes, I did drop a bomb causing collateral damage for a double jump” Madden
Mr. Woolie Warcrime, my favorite youtuber...
Think you can tell something has staying power when we still to this day ask the question “Do you feel like a hero yet”
I prefer the "You're still a good person" line, myself. It feels just more generally applicable.
Striking after the iron was sold off for booze money.
Don't kid yourself. This game was a stealth hit.
Because it flew under everyone's radar.
Wow, this was a long time coming.
Sure was fun watching the guys experience this hidden gem, go mad together.
I would have loved it if, after you complete the game, you get the option to just turn around and leave at the start of the game once you’ve done your mission. This way, developers get to keep their “just walk away” ending, and people don’t immediately jump for it in their first play through.
They were planning it. But too many took that option out and kinda missed the game. So it became the "we had a stupid loop but the testers kept taking it FOR HOURS" type situation.
Darlington "Woolie Pete" Madden,
Minh "Geneva Convention, more like Geneva To-do-list" T,
and Reggie "Your honor, how can it be a WAR crime if they were civilians" Gaston
in... Martin Walker's Wacky Mishaps
(I can't believe Konrad has personally charred all those innocent people with a BIC lighter and then tried blaming it all on you smh)
More like: "how can it be a war crime when there was no war?"
It's never a war crime the first time! 😂
While watching the Willy Pete scene, I saw something, woolie didn’t shoot at the apc,he fired directly into the crowd.
pfffthahaha
you 34:00 onward
Minh is the only person who notices that people aren't moving and thinks we shouldn't shoot there only for woolie to pull a "did someone say boom" moment
this game was made for woolie, your a muderer
Between this, Castle Super Beast, his trips through the "Cage-verse" and the Shitstorm character hit attempts I'm shocked Woolie has not become a Canadian supervillain by now.
While Hotline Miami’s is still the mediums best exploration of Ludo-narrative dissonance, I’m so glad a game like Spec ops the line exists. While I played it years after its initial release, it still floored me that a big budget game was able ask these questions of an audience that an activision/EA project wouldn’t dare go near.
Oh, they went near it they just either shifted the blame or changed the perpetrators.
@@Samm815 yeah. What the MW devs did to the highway of death historical event was disgusting. The whole game is the type of game that spec ops the line was critiquing.
@@qwellen7521 And Captain Price shoots the wife and child (off-screen) while the player shoots the husband.
@@Samm815 I really do hope someone tries the spec-ops TL gamble again; the industry and the artform really needs it.
The only other game that got close was MGSV, but that, for as great as it was, had a bunch of tone and padding issues that held it back.
Spoilers for the game:
Remember, no you couldn't have turned back and radioed for backup as told.
You couldn't have "not used" willy pete. This is not a FPS, this is a third person shooter.
You are not the character. This is "Martin Walker" story, and you are just along for the ride. You can chose a few details of how it goes, but not all of them.
And sure the game blurry things with the fourth wall, but it still is only condemning the main character.
The path is set, putting the game down won't stop it's course anymore then closing a book will prevent the ending from happening.
Or at least, that's how i see it.
Honestly your comment is reminding me of a bit from the Zero Punctuation episode on this game, in which Yahtzee poses the question "are we playing as Walker or the last remnant of his self-awareness?"
The pivotal WP scene is based on an honest accident--the implications happened to be extreme
Yet the game is treating us like a monster over that. Walker isn't innocent, but he shouldn't be labelled a monster by others
@@zgSH4DOW He's not a monster nor is he a hero. He was a cowboy who wanted to be a hero. He could have turned around and gone home but the instant he opened fire on civilians, he was going into hell. And people wouldn't have cared, you really think things like the Mai Lai massacre could've gone down as an "accident"? How about the Highway to Hell? They don't care about the man holding the gun, they care about the little girl with napalm burns.
Why are there so many Dubai adverts with pictures of Konrad on them?
@@Samm815 Spoilers further
The entire game is a hallucination from Walker, some more subtle then others (usually the more overt ones are lead with a white screen fade in).
How timely this gets dropped when I’m in the middle of rewatching the series.
"Jeremy. Someday, people will tell you about your father. For that, I'm sorry. I love you."
That line has got to be the hardest thing I have ever heard of Father say to his son in a video game. That is INSANE.
I would like to go on record as saying this is probably my favorite play through by woolie, and i really like most of this stuff
A Remaster for this game would be most appreciated.
The story still holds up, the gameplay, while never this games strong suit has certainly aged it's not why you're here.
@@NEEDbacon It's aged but not like milk
Fine fellows, those cannibals.
I bet woolie would feel better about war crimes if he had a cool jetpack...
He'd do more than war crimes for a jetpack.
Watching LP's is fun, but I think where Woolie shines the most is his longform analyses. He should do a retrospective on the game, having now played through it and (presumably) gained some insight into a few of the details he missed.
In retrospect it's so goddamn weird that some songs triggered the youtube algorithms, but Hush by Deep Purple didn't. 5:20
Also, I just realized how many games have players casually breaking the Geneva Conventions in gameplay.
I wonder if the number of games and movies with “good guys do war crime” scenes make it easier for actual soldiers to do war crimes. Like shooting surrendering soldiers in Saving Private Ryan or torturing captives in Zero Dark Thirty.
@@conorgleeson2453 A lot of soldiers don't know what they're doing is a war crime until after the fact.
All I need is the Kotor 2 comp and I will be happy.
Glad someone said it
that'll probably be in multiple parts like the first one was.
WoolieVS. The Geneva Convention
Woolie: "Geneva Convention? More like Geneva Checklist!"
This LP and the Dokapon are legendary.
I'm a simple man. I see a koopylation, I click.
Don't you bring david into this
“And all you did was send a check” be me, literally unaware of it entirely, so that check is more than nothing
I’m not sure when, but lugo and adams just totally stopped calling you boss and Now call you by name
Minh had no idea what was happening in this game huh?
It's deeply frustrating, he's acting like a cartoon version of sorta rah-rah modern FPS player that the game is condemning. I haven't finished the video yet, but I get the sense that he's the sorta guy who wouldn't get the point that the game is trying to make even when it's spelled out for them.
Minh definitely tends to be the person who will spoil things even though he thinks he's aloof about it.
@@chesterstevens8870 ironic, no?
Reggie: "Is someone playing with the lights?"
Woolie reveals his true core values.
39:36
I knew this scene was going to make the guys go quiet as the grave
Honestly that was....pretty tame compared to what I was expecting
Man, my favorite playthrough was Kirby’s Epic Crimes
1:05:14 "There. You're fine."
Lugo - "Yeah. No shit."
You're still shooting at nobody.
23:20 Minh doesnt know how right he would be once the ptsd shows up later
1:42:45 I know why you're here. Enjoy :)
"is this real woolie?! is this real?" -feat Minh
@@Jackboy019 Is this the real-life or is it just fantasy?
30:50 helicopters are way more agile than most people think especially the smaller ones.
RPGs dont fly at 5 mph
@@zgSH4DOW thats very true 👍
Do you feel like a hero yet?
YES
Ngl, even if he was hella evil... leaving a man to burn alive after he asks you to not let him suffer... is also pretty evil. Also kinda hypocritical since Woolie’s hands weren’t clean at that point either.
INCOMING WOOLIE-PETE
This is all just really good
I think the best part about the ending of this game overall is that it is very fourth wall breaking. Starting at "It appears that reports of my survival have been greatly exaggerated" is no longer Konrad talking to Walker, its now the game talking to the player from there on out.
A little late, but still happy
Looking back at this thing, the guys chuckle or point out when the AI enemy does something dumb they interpret as poorly programmed AI. But now I think that almost all instances of this, save maybe 1, were intentional. I have to sit down with this game by myself and take it a little slower than Woolie so as to observe what's really happening. Woolie just mows them down immediately and it's obvious a few of the enemy soldiers were exhibiting weird behavior.
Mihn gets what he deserves.
No woolie, those missiles were trying to kill you and your team during helicopter section. Why else would the game tell ya to destroy them?
IVE WATCHED THIS 3 TIMES ALREADY MY GUY
Tatooine has gone to shit ever since the death of Jabba
1:24:48 I’m just waiting for it to turn into “shoot em like a dog in the street already!” Or something o that effect
1:28:38 the very moment even adams started going under
can anyone timestamp when exactly the loading screen stops giving game-relevant information and starts verbally chastening you for your sins? just curious
Thought I was the only one looking for this. No help here though...
LES GOOOO
27:39 this is a bizarre waste of ammo even for crazy people
They're sandboarding her. It's a torture technique.
Woolie vs Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
1:53:17 why do the Humvees have weirdly useless camo?
Woolie coping like Walker 😂
1:04:33 the imaginary heavy dropped a REAL lmg
Indeed
The road to hell is paved with saintly intentions
So is there a way to not mortar the civilians? When I played it I noticed they were probably civilians cus and took a good minute to see if I could do anything else, but couldn't figure it out.
Nope. You're shoehorned into it. Once I realised that, I rolled my eyes because the game was telling you the only way to stop it from happening was to turn off the game. Which is stupid. I'm not gonna pay money just to stop half way though.
@@NekoKujo6785 Then you missed the point of the whole section. The point is that you are being forced to do it, much like how Walker's squad are. You have two choices, die or phosphorus them. One of these choices does not push the game forward, the other is a terrible war crime in universe and out of.
@@NekoKujo6785 and Walker isnt going to turn around and abandon his mission just because the only he could win is by using the white phosphurus. Both Walker and the player suffer from sunken cost fallacy.
@@Joe-lr9ou Yah but I don't think its unreasonable for people to be upset that a game they payed for is telling them their a bad person for playing it.
@@shadowrobot7708 God forbid the game call out the player doing something horrible. Look at any CoD game where you do equal or worse war crimes, only to tell you how great you are. The point was in fact to put the player into reality, that things like the Tactical Nuke would in fact be a terrible war crime in reality, or dropping a napalm strike onto a whole squad, etc.
The general’s grandson is wylin!
1:30:38 lessons aside, this is the truest thing the game has said up to this point
1:35:54 or at least he believed he was
THE GIGA-BLOWOUT
1:00:44 bloodthirsty woolie just had to let him burn
“People could be mannequins” starts fighting mannequins
I hope woolie does a best of doom eternal video
Can't wait for Trump to pardon Walker
XD there's a trophy called "boot"
And at this point Woolie clearly qualifies.
How many john's did you have today?
Anyone know the song at 1:08:11
Oh man, I forgot how much of a shit show the comments of Spec Ops. videos become.
Draws out all the edgy bois who think insulting others for liking it is cool.
Lets gooo
They should’ve played fortunate son did urging the helicopter bit for an added tinge of irony
Do you remember why you are here?
Hitler: 14:36
I know it's been a year+ since you posted this comment, but it made me laugh even harder than the video did
This was *the worst* playthrough to have guests on, *especially* as a comedy-centric channel. That being said, they pointed out a lot of stuff Woolie wouldn't have gotten on his own like how Walker's combat lines get more aggressive as the game goes on.
Also how did they all stare the hallucination of Lugo as a heavy right in the face and not even notice that it was him? Like, that isn't just missing a line of dialogue or a collectible, that's 3 men going braindead for like 5 seconds then going back to fully functional.
Yeah those bad guys don’t get to have human moments
Oh this is JUST a compilation of Woolie being the only normal guy and Reggie and Minh acting like classic MURICANS
I think this game would have been better if the loading screens didn't change to tell you your a bad person for playing it. Its cheap and hollow because the player had no choice. I get its walkers fault and he should feel guilty. That doesn't extend to the player. Its much more impactful when a player does something terrible that they did not have to do. Darkest dungeon and This war of Mine have good examples of that where you don't have to be amoral but it makes it easier so the game telling you your a bad person or tying to make you feel bad for your actions actually hits because it was "your actions" not your characters.
The game kinda does both. The loading screen and phosphorus scenes are the less subtle but there is also awful thing that you can do as a player and you would barely notice. In multiple places, there are civilians running for their lives that can become collateral. There is also a choice in game where you "must" execute someone. Most player don't realize the right choice is to NOT execute the guys but the soldiers "forcing" you to choose.
So yeah, some of the horrors come from the plot but gameplay plays a role too if you pay attention.
Edit : There's another gameplay moment where you're surronded by hostile civilians. The game frames the scene as if you "must" shoot them. Truth is, you can shoot in the air to scare them. Back when the game came out, lot of people felt like shit for not realizing that.
I recently played "this war of mine" and frankly I think it comes off way, way more preachy than this game does.
I appreciate that the game takes some shots at your kidneys while you're doing digital war crimes. It's an earned dunking.
@@hondshoven8477 Yeah that moment with the mob of civilians was really good. The game does have really good scenes. I just don't get why do many people liked the white phosphorus one I think it highlights the games biggest problem of railroading the player. I heard they wanted to have that be an option to use it but they ran out of development time which is a shame but also understandable. Its still an impressive game but if I bought it without knowing I probably would have been pissed off. Games that blame the player for something it forces you to do are a personal pet peeve of mine. If it doesn't both you all the power to yah :)
One interpretation of the game is that it's condemning thoughtlessness -- condemning the choice to sit back, relax, and Shoot Brown Dudes In The Desert For America without even thinking about what you're doing. Equally, it's condemning its own existence and the genre it's a part of -- one which encourages that thoughtlessness. A typical player expects killing to just be the thing they're going to do to advance the plot, and they're taken by surprise when it turns out that no, they needed to think about who they were killing, why, and to what end.
Every choice the game _does_ give you is essentially the same choice, with it being at its most blatant when you get to the underpass. The game is trying to remind you that when you kill, you are making a moral judgment about who should live and who should not. This carries through all the way to the end: try taking the dialogue from the underpass scene and mentally overlaying it on the ending. Now consider that it applies equally well to every single enemy you kill.
It doesn't matter that the game doesn't allow you to avoid the plot other than by not playing it. If you played through the game, realized that something wasn't right about how Walker (i.e. a typical player) was going about things, and anticipated things going bad, then the game's condemnation isn't directed at you. If you didn't see it coming, then you earned the game's criticisms.
Screwby
What if you played this game the same way you play the last of us, no questions just destroying
Who’s the guy that sounds like Neville from wombles bullshittery
Ok i don't see anyone in the comments really saying this, but the other guys playing with woolie were just really annoying annoying to me.
Some of the hot takes where kinda based and i feel they were missing alot of good parts of the story.
I kinda felt how annoyed he sounded when he explaining his theorys and that one guy i felt like he was just not getting it at all and keep saying saying thoughts that didn't make any sense.
I felt we would have got better commentary from any other person then these guys.
But maybe that's just me, i was just not enjoying myself as much as I wanted to.
I can respect your opinion, but at the end of the day that's who Woolie wanted to play the game with, and that's the experience he had. Being annoyed that it didn't fit your ideal for a playthrough won't change that
@@Alreeshid he didn't seem to have that much fun lol but yea i agree