@@Altek2k Going to use wintertide brand for leveling this league at least untill act 5.. maybe longer. And skill explanations over "get this do that" guides, have allways been very helpfull. Learning why, not being told this because number is allways great. It is how you get a deeper understanding :)
Wintertide Brand has two debuffs : Wintertide debuff & Wintertide's End debuff Both Wintertide debuff & Wintertide's End debuff deals Cold DOT Temporal Chains : "Other effects" on Cursed enemies expire 40% slower Will "Temporal Chains" affect the total attached duration of Wintertide Brand? Glad to see Diving Deeper(Episode 2) on Wintertide Brand. Nice Video btw (Talking about the Fundamental concepts)
I'm not certain, but I don't think the Brand debuff is effected by Temporal Chains. I believe brands are considered separate entities to the enemies they bind on, and therefore their activations and durations are separate. The expiration AoE buff would be effected, though, I would expect. To go further on that, Brand activation speed is not effected by sources of more/less cast speed, like Inquisitor's Zealot's Oath or Spell Echo, but I'm pretty sure also action speed, like Tailwind and Chill/Freeze. Even if otherwise expecting to effect Brands, the general lack of more/less cast speed effects would make me expect Temporal Chains not to effect Wintertide Brand activation damage, just the expiring debuff.
@@Altemeous Just need a proof on whether Temporal Chains increase the total attached duration of Wintertide Brand or not. If yes, 24 stage is free then. If no, just use Enfeeble instead. All Brands function with Spell Echo Support so far as repeating the initial cast of the brand. The more casting speed multiplier on spell echo does NOT however effect the activation speed of the brand once attached to a target.
I''d love to see how Wintertide Brand and Brandsurge (Witchhunter's Judgment) interact. Does it turbo boost the brands so they dump their damage out faster, and give more DPS, or do you lose out too much having an otherwise shitty 2H staff.
I suspect on this brand it will be woeful because of the 24 stage cap, but it would accelarate how quickly you would get to max Caps and add suplementary damage. if you can actually do it in the 1.5 second brandsurge cool down. It will mean losing out to potentially +2 levels of cold spell skill gems to. I am interested to see what this does to something like armageddon brand though. Will take a look. Thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
This video really saved me from grave mistakes as a noobie player. I dont really care for the very end game as I'm a casual but from all the starters I tried, Wintertide brand was really fun and eye candy. Only thing I have to check is: Boss dies faster as an RF Jugg or Wintertide Occ? :) Thank you vm!
Did you see the buff it take for new season? The quality at 20% give 5% more damage per stage (for the debuff only). So if you stack up quality you can go to like 400% more damage. My question is does it really up the damage if the bonus damage is on debuff only? Was thinking it’s a big up, but didn’t notice first that it was on debuff only who is for 1s duration. So what do you think ?
If you're using the mastery it should because it's constantly dropping off and re-applying. I think it's like 90% more damage. Until I've played with it can't be certain, but will definately be trying it out this league just not as my league starter. Thanks for watching!
Great video. I want to use this for leveling early on, and just pop it for bosses or raresin first 3 acts or so, or until I get the dissipation. What 3 link and 4th link is best for that please?
Thanks for Damage and due to the early availability(Act 2) I would go for Faster Casting (Tick Frequency) Controlled Destruction (More Spell, less Crit. Dots can't crit anyway) Elemental Focus (Huge damage, no longer slow from chill, Not a fan of this late game, but early is fine.) Hope this helps!
@@Altek2kI wont use it late game, will go pennance eventually, even will use stormbrand and penance when I manage to get them during campaign. Trickster gets Winter at 12, and stormbrand in Library... Penance comes later anyways. Will try to buy stormbrand during leaguestart, but need a plan b in case I cant manage. This is great, and your video helped a lot. Thanks.
10% cold DoT multi from normal quality is gone. Replaced by 5% more debuff damage per stage. This brings us to up to 500% more debuff damage at maximum stages (from 400%), while giving up that flat 10% to Cold Damage over Time Multiplier. Also, I'm still kind of excited for the (yet to be revealed) Transfigured version of the gem. Might be something cool waiting for us there. :D As for Vortex, normal quality Vortex is no longer instant (us left click Vortex lovers are in shambles :P). But I'd say it's still very much usable for bosses, even with the new 0.75s cast time. As trash dies instantly anyways, it's not really needed while mapping... And if we scale cast speed to get stages faster, that 0.75s cast time will be even less noticeable. I'm wondering, what are your thoughts on these changes?
The damage increase is huge 90% more damage than we had before (assuming max stacks) may actually make this less painful at end game. I don't think the vortex changes are too bad, I only really cast on bosses and rares anyway and as with all brands we want to be stacking cast speed anyway to increase activation frequency. I think the change is really positive. The alternate versions should be out later this week. It will be in the last batch, No clue what we'll fget for this one, but the new gems should bring really fresh playstyles to the game, and I look forward to them. Thanks for your thoughtful comment and for watching!
Can we apply the new masteries that invert ennemi resistances ? This is on hit so i guess with vortex, but idk i'm a noob, but if we can apply it, that can solve the zdps against cold resistant bosses
I am guessing the inversion only applies to that hit, if it permanentlty inverted that would be broken as hell. Vortex does hit but only on first relase. Don't think it would help much but nice idea, I could also be completely wrong. Thanks for sharing.
@@Altek2k Nah i think your right and it probably only apply to the initial vortex hit unfortunatly :/ and btw thanks for this vid, it help a lot to understand what to put and what to not put into my pob
is there a purpose to using the Swiftbrand Support gem with wintertide brand?? I dont see the purpose of it myself but i am pretty new to the game and havent really got a grip on the mechanics of things yet.
Swiftbrand makes the activation frequency faster so stacks go up quicker. But it also makes it end much faster meaning you may not be able to reach max stacks. I couldn’t get the skill to max stacks while using it so you will more than likely lose out on damage while using it. Hope this helps!
Activation speed is a pure win. Expiration speed is mostly negative, though, but if you can extend the duration by other means and still hit the max stacks, that negative goes away. And, as mentioned, the quicker expiration means the AoE does set off quicker, meaning it will clear packs generally quicker, or at least get the initial damage quickly. There is one more factor. There has been a heavily overlooked mastery that gives 10% mana recovery on every Brand expiration. I'm building a Heirophant around this concept, and it can nearly self-cast 3 Brands consistently at high speed, and the first expires just before it'd be recast as the 4th brand. Swiftbrand is important to reach that speed. That is pretty handy regeneration, but the tricky part is limiting the damage to your DPS meanwhile. Wintertide Brand is ideal for this scenario, as the Brand only lasts 2 seconds attached, I think all the others last 5 seconds.
Has anyone tried stacking the damage bonus for each brand attached? This is the only brand that can be attached 3 instead of 2. What is the easiest way to stack chill effect? It has 10% by default and so have 30% you need 300% ailment effect modifier its huge.
There is quite a lot of chill and non damageing ailement effect on the tree, bone chill also grants a tonne. Isn't it 200% increased to reach 30%? There is not a lot of ways I could find to scale each brand attach bonus. Thanks for watching!
@@Altek2k there is one node for 5% increase per brand. Brand loyalty node from clusters says "Enemies take 3% increased Damage for each of your Brands Attached to them". If I understand the math correctly, this multiplier will be taken into account after all modifiers and resistances on the enemy. Total 9% per node.
@@vi8799 No, since you use Bonechill, you're already getting a bit of Increased Damage Taken on enemies, and this thing is diminishing return -> should not try to stack too much of it.
This is the excact type of poe skill breakdowns I love the most. :D thank you so much for making this :)
You're very welcome, i'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
@@Altek2k Going to use wintertide brand for leveling this league at least untill act 5.. maybe longer. And skill explanations over "get this do that" guides, have allways been very helpfull. Learning why, not being told this because number is allways great. It is how you get a deeper understanding :)
@@Rurix48 Best of luck at league start, don't know what i'm playingh yet...
You should 100% do more of these types of videos! I love learning more about skills like this.
Thankyou for the feedback and for watching. Will definitely making more in the future.
this is excellent content mate.
Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Oh god this was so really really helpful :D was tryna build with it tho gave up almost immedietly
Glad you found it useful. Yes this one definately isn't intuitive. Thanks for watching!
Great content mate.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Wintertide Brand has two debuffs : Wintertide debuff & Wintertide's End debuff
Both Wintertide debuff & Wintertide's End debuff deals Cold DOT
Temporal Chains : "Other effects" on Cursed enemies expire 40% slower
Will "Temporal Chains" affect the total attached duration of Wintertide Brand?
Glad to see Diving Deeper(Episode 2) on Wintertide Brand. Nice Video btw (Talking about the Fundamental concepts)
That is a really good question, it should but I have never tested it. Thanks for watching!
I'm not certain, but I don't think the Brand debuff is effected by Temporal Chains. I believe brands are considered separate entities to the enemies they bind on, and therefore their activations and durations are separate. The expiration AoE buff would be effected, though, I would expect.
To go further on that, Brand activation speed is not effected by sources of more/less cast speed, like Inquisitor's Zealot's Oath or Spell Echo, but I'm pretty sure also action speed, like Tailwind and Chill/Freeze. Even if otherwise expecting to effect Brands, the general lack of more/less cast speed effects would make me expect Temporal Chains not to effect Wintertide Brand activation damage, just the expiring debuff.
@@Altemeous Just need a proof on whether Temporal Chains increase the total attached duration of Wintertide Brand or not. If yes, 24 stage is free then. If no, just use Enfeeble instead.
All Brands function with Spell Echo Support so far as repeating the initial cast of the brand. The more casting speed multiplier on spell echo does NOT however effect the activation speed of the brand once attached to a target.
I''d love to see how Wintertide Brand and Brandsurge (Witchhunter's Judgment) interact. Does it turbo boost the brands so they dump their damage out faster, and give more DPS, or do you lose out too much having an otherwise shitty 2H staff.
I suspect on this brand it will be woeful because of the 24 stage cap, but it would accelarate how quickly you would get to max Caps and add suplementary damage. if you can actually do it in the 1.5 second brandsurge cool down. It will mean losing out to potentially +2 levels of cold spell skill gems to. I am interested to see what this does to something like armageddon brand though. Will take a look. Thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
This video really saved me from grave mistakes as a noobie player. I dont really care for the very end game as I'm a casual but from all the starters I tried, Wintertide brand was really fun and eye candy. Only thing I have to check is: Boss dies faster as an RF Jugg or Wintertide Occ? :)
Thank you vm!
Glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching!
Did you see the buff it take for new season? The quality at 20% give 5% more damage per stage (for the debuff only). So if you stack up quality you can go to like 400% more damage. My question is does it really up the damage if the bonus damage is on debuff only? Was thinking it’s a big up, but didn’t notice first that it was on debuff only who is for 1s duration. So what do you think ?
If you're using the mastery it should because it's constantly dropping off and re-applying. I think it's like 90% more damage. Until I've played with it can't be certain, but will definately be trying it out this league just not as my league starter. Thanks for watching!
@@Altek2k do you think stacking duration would be better for damage ?
Combination of Duration and spell casting combined is probably best way to go.
Great video. I want to use this for leveling early on, and just pop it for bosses or raresin first 3 acts or so, or until I get the dissipation. What 3 link and 4th link is best for that please?
Thanks for Damage and due to the early availability(Act 2) I would go for
Faster Casting (Tick Frequency)
Controlled Destruction (More Spell, less Crit. Dots can't crit anyway)
Elemental Focus (Huge damage, no longer slow from chill, Not a fan of this late game, but early is fine.)
Hope this helps!
@@Altek2kI wont use it late game, will go pennance eventually, even will use stormbrand and penance when I manage to get them during campaign. Trickster gets Winter at 12, and stormbrand in Library... Penance comes later anyways. Will try to buy stormbrand during leaguestart, but need a plan b in case I cant manage. This is great, and your video helped a lot. Thanks.
Which ascendancy would you recommend for this?
I would go occultist for wintertide. Thanks for watching!
10% cold DoT multi from normal quality is gone. Replaced by 5% more debuff damage per stage.
This brings us to up to 500% more debuff damage at maximum stages (from 400%), while giving up that flat 10% to Cold Damage over Time Multiplier.
Also, I'm still kind of excited for the (yet to be revealed) Transfigured version of the gem. Might be something cool waiting for us there. :D
As for Vortex, normal quality Vortex is no longer instant (us left click Vortex lovers are in shambles :P).
But I'd say it's still very much usable for bosses, even with the new 0.75s cast time. As trash dies instantly anyways, it's not really needed while mapping...
And if we scale cast speed to get stages faster, that 0.75s cast time will be even less noticeable.
I'm wondering, what are your thoughts on these changes?
The damage increase is huge 90% more damage than we had before (assuming max stacks) may actually make this less painful at end game. I don't think the vortex changes are too bad, I only really cast on bosses and rares anyway and as with all brands we want to be stacking cast speed anyway to increase activation frequency. I think the change is really positive. The alternate versions should be out later this week. It will be in the last batch, No clue what we'll fget for this one, but the new gems should bring really fresh playstyles to the game, and I look forward to them. Thanks for your thoughtful comment and for watching!
@@Altek2k Thank me? Dude, thank YOU! 😁
For always making such awesome videos! And for your dedication to respond to all of us in the comment section ♥
Can we apply the new masteries that invert ennemi resistances ? This is on hit so i guess with vortex, but idk i'm a noob, but if we can apply it, that can solve the zdps against cold resistant bosses
ok maybe not solve but at least help a bit idk
I am guessing the inversion only applies to that hit, if it permanentlty inverted that would be broken as hell. Vortex does hit but only on first relase. Don't think it would help much but nice idea, I could also be completely wrong. Thanks for sharing.
@@Altek2k Nah i think your right and it probably only apply to the initial vortex hit unfortunatly :/ and btw thanks for this vid, it help a lot to understand what to put and what to not put into my pob
@@arieltombal9813 Glad it helped, thanks for watching!
is there a purpose to using the Swiftbrand Support gem with wintertide brand?? I dont see the purpose of it myself but i am pretty new to the game and havent really got a grip on the mechanics of things yet.
Swiftbrand makes the activation frequency faster so stacks go up quicker. But it also makes it end much faster meaning you may not be able to reach max stacks. I couldn’t get the skill to max stacks while using it so you will more than likely lose out on damage while using it. Hope this helps!
@@Altek2k it does, and that sort of confirmed my suspicion. thanks!
It can work for clearing as yo can stack damage faster and ususally duration is enough to kill mobs. But for bosses i`m not sure.
Activation speed is a pure win. Expiration speed is mostly negative, though, but if you can extend the duration by other means and still hit the max stacks, that negative goes away. And, as mentioned, the quicker expiration means the AoE does set off quicker, meaning it will clear packs generally quicker, or at least get the initial damage quickly.
There is one more factor. There has been a heavily overlooked mastery that gives 10% mana recovery on every Brand expiration. I'm building a Heirophant around this concept, and it can nearly self-cast 3 Brands consistently at high speed, and the first expires just before it'd be recast as the 4th brand. Swiftbrand is important to reach that speed. That is pretty handy regeneration, but the tricky part is limiting the damage to your DPS meanwhile. Wintertide Brand is ideal for this scenario, as the Brand only lasts 2 seconds attached, I think all the others last 5 seconds.
Has anyone tried stacking the damage bonus for each brand attached? This is the only brand that can be attached 3 instead of 2. What is the easiest way to stack chill effect? It has 10% by default and so have 30% you need 300% ailment effect modifier its huge.
There is quite a lot of chill and non damageing ailement effect on the tree, bone chill also grants a tonne. Isn't it 200% increased to reach 30%? There is not a lot of ways I could find to scale each brand attach bonus. Thanks for watching!
@@Altek2k there is one node for 5% increase per brand. Brand loyalty node from clusters says "Enemies take 3% increased Damage for each of your Brands Attached to them". If I understand the math correctly, this multiplier will be taken into account after all modifiers and resistances on the enemy. Total 9% per node.
@@Altek2k Oh i forgot there is also "4% increased Brand Damage per 10 Devotion" on Militant Faith timeles jewel. Is there a point to stack devotion?
@@vi8799 Sound like it, that sounds like it could stack quite a bit.
@@vi8799 No, since you use Bonechill, you're already getting a bit of Increased Damage Taken on enemies, and this thing is diminishing return -> should not try to stack too much of it.
so... where's the pob?
There is no POB for this unfortunately, it is just a guide to the skill. Thanks for watching!