The Japanese are absolutely right in their assessment of Battery Electric Vehicles. What blackpilled me about BEVs is the stance of Toyota itself. Toyota never wholeheartedly committed to this madness. Mind you, they were one of the early investors in Tesla, which they later removed. They strongly believed in hydrogen and FCEVs as the future of automobiles. I had read back in 2014 that Toyota was working on a plan to mass-market solid-state battery tech by 2022 and later on hydrogen FCEVs. But the Tesla frenzy and, more importantly, the great dieselgate threw a big wrench into those plans. As rightly pointed out in your video, there are several fundamental problems with EVs to begin with, like the scarcity of rare earth materials, most of whose mines are owned by China and maybe Musk. Charging Infra, and long charging hours, range anxiety etc. And the environmental friendliness of BEVs is just pure BS because you are just offloading the emissions onto the electricity generation plants, which in all probability are being run by coal. Even today, they are putting their resources behind hydrogen ICEs and FCEVs, and I think when this EV fever subsides, because we are still in the EV honeymoon period, the Japanese are going to have the last laugh. Even the Koreans still have maintained their hydrogen FCEV program amid EV madness. During a time when the world was captivated by aircrafts, the Japanese revolutionized long-distance travel with the Shinkansen. I am rooting for the Japanese. Hope they succeed.
Tata and mahindra lobbies govt in keeping taxes high on hybrids and they will in turn start building some semiconductor plant, making hybrids cheaper is the only way to go
People in the USA are carrying diesel generators in their Cybertruck and using it to charge the batteries. That is a crude hybrid electric. Toyota has been saying for years that hybrids make more sense.
100% agree with Toyota's 1:6:90 rule. They're talking facts, the Govts have no work but to force us to move towards EVs. Like at least India's don't. They're like, as Europeans are changing to EV then we will also change to EV. They know how to copy, else they won't innovate anything. Japan is at least thinking and they gave us many alternatives. Why not using Biofuels and Ethanol type fuels? Like if those car companies would work on these and Govt would support it, then everyone wouldn't run around shouting V.
Most of the governments seem to take decisions based on what's being hyped up or is popular. Earlier (before electric cars had gained popularity), some of the European countries had been promoting diesel and subsidising it as they believed it was a cleaner fuel, probably due to its better mileage. Now those same governments are trying to ban diesel completely and push for EVs.
@@rahuljha3965 how can you say biofuel is bogus when it's something that's still being worked in and we don't even know much about it. As far as lithium is concerned, yes, it's recyclable, but it's lifecycle is extremely polluting and this also leads to exploitation of water. As far as ethanol is concerned, the concerns you pointed out are valid in the beginning, but can be addressed. Brazil has been using ethanol since 70s or 80s.
Hybrids > EV EV are just being enforced on consumers. They are more expensive right now, charging issues and efficiency isn’t really that better compared to a hybrid.
prime example of this is Maruti, its a toxic company to work with and this company has become profit driven rather than a customer centric organization.
@@Mucozimedude grow up... Suzuki is the only company which openly said we won't go electric in India by forcing adoption... They are developing series full hybrid cars which gives 35kmpl mileage(car runs only on motor but engine is placed to recharge EV only compared to current hybrid where both engine and motor drives cars)... Toyota has also openly said EV doesn't make sense and opening new production plant in toyota bidadi bangalore for hybrids only.... Shame on tata and mahindra who are using EV hype to increase their market capitalization....
@@THUGPUTINek bat bata charging time ke karn ev bekar hai tumhare liye rat me charge karke 300 -400 km range hoti hai utna koi nhi chalta agr koi travel krta hai to rukta bhi hai pollution wali bat to is Vedio me kai flows and baised bhi
LOL true in what sense? Who backed it up except by the internal Toyota team? First of all, the elements being used are not rare and second, the paper doesn't even consider the other material used for non EVs which are way more for ICE vehicles and then there's fuel that need to be taken into consideration later on. There's a reason why that so called rule is not known to many and not considered by most.
Run everything on Methane. You can make a lot of it by utilising the waste like cow dung, waste vegetable peels and rotting fruits, and basically any plant based thing. Today, it goes in with other garbage, where it decomposes and releases Methane into the atmosphere, which is 28 times more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. Using it as fuel, is hence, Carbon negative. Also it needs to be stored at just 200 bars, and since it doesn't corrode metals, it can be stored in cheap, normal, steel cylinders used for CNG (which is about 60% methane), unlike Hydrogen requiring ultra expensive composite tanks. And on top of that, it's much more energy dense than petrol and diesel, at 55.7 MJ/kg, and a usably high volumetric energy density, unlike Hydrogen, and can hence be used in cars, bikes, jets, ships, steel industry, construction industry, etc. Moreover, Methane is a great fuel for both Spark Ignition engines (like Petrols) and Compression Ignition engines (like Diesels), and can run in both engines with minimal modifications to the engine, mainly the timing of the valves, and the fuel injector, which is again in stark contrast to Hydrogen, which needs a much more robustly made engine block to deal with the extra pressure from explosions, along with extremely precision engineered injectors, and the fuel piping, since Hydrogen can leak out of even atomic level cracks. All this means we get to keep things we love, while benefitting the environment more than any EV ever would, and most importantly, without causing a hole in the pockets of people who can't afford a much more expensive and worse version of what we have today.
Exactly, this mindless ev push is beyond me.... lithium ion batteries aren't suitable for cars .... period...you can't even put out a lithium fire with readily available water ....and then comes the range....it will never match what is advertised.....these EV companies are looting us ....not 1 ev customer is satisfied with the car but still people made it look like some wonder technology....which it is not ....if petrol vehicles are replaced by EVs the carbon emissions will also be replaced by those lithium battery factories that's it ... nothing will change. This is in fact worse for the environment.
@@rhushirajbandal7831 It's Bio Methane, not Bio CNG. CNG is essentially Methane with a LOT of impurities, hence has a relatively low energy density compared to other hydrocarbon fuels. That's why cars on CNG run bad when high power is demanded from the engine. Pure Methane, is the complete opposite.
Japanese are correct, EV is not a long term bet, Lithium Ion's carbon footprint and green house effect is far far more than ICE engine. Even Govt of India's long term bet is not EV but Green Hydrogen. Only problem is when green Hydrogen storage issue resolved. so they don't want to spend on EV R&D. Even for us India where price is a big factor we should have moved to mandatory hybrid instead of EV. even plugin hybrid would have been better till we master the green hydrogen. check their spend on Hydrogen fuel.
It’s easier and cheaper to build charging than hydrogen stations, you need tanks of carbon fibre and Kevlar lining because metal will react and break apart when in contact with h2 that’s why h2 ice has failed Only fuel cell works that too because it uses platinum palladium which are noble metals and don’t react with h2
BEVs have much lesser overall pollution related to them as compared to ICE cars. please dont compare carbon emissions for a particular stage only. u have to compare pollution from mining to use. Also lithium batteries can be recycled and 95% of the material can be recovered. Just read about Batx energies in India
Biggest problem with electric cars is that they are loss making adventure for any car maker. Not a single car maker makes electric vehicles with profit except Tesla. Not to mention, owning an electric car is a terrible experience. I live in the US with arguably one of the best electric infrastructure and still electric car infrastructure is pathetic so it's not surprising that Japanese want to stay away from electric right now and waiting for technology to improve.
For making profit you need economy of scale Only tesla has that kind of economy of scale due to their vertical integration Other brands are not selling enough vehicles to justify their factory investment and R&D, this lack of R&D in turns shows in their products wherein tesla beat all other ev’s in terms of range performance and price
@@abhidityasingh9444 same reason : THEY WERENT MAKING ENOUGH CARS BACK THEN How hard is it to understand? Before model 3 and Y, tesla barely sold 100K cars per year, now they sell 1M ev’s
Unless there is a breakthrough in battery technology, we cannot sustain EV's. There is simply not enough infrastructure. Especially in India, Nitin Gadkari seems a bit misguided with his latest announcements about completely doing away with Petrol and Diesel vehicles.
Agreed. EV's can't last in long term. As explained in the video Toyota's secret document states some major key factor. We might end up losing all our natural resources.
I totally agree with the mindset of Japanese car makers. In fact building an ev creates the amount of pollution which is equivalent to build a gasoline car and run it for 150k kilometres. Moreover in countries like india we mostly produce electricity by burning fossil fuel.
bro pls put your brain from comod, its bogus info, and petrol also need electricity to refine so its 2x pollution but hey continue with ur rotten brain
@@isotropicantenna: Yaa but none of them would like to wait for those painful long hours like a looser at the charge station and none of the performance enthusiasts would like to "plan" everytime before they take that battery box on 4 wheels outside. The biggest pain in owning an EV is the awful long time taken to charge that shitbox, coupled with range anxiety and charging infra......
Issue is our government did all bets on EVs because our desi manufacturers lobbied hard. But slowly even our government realising lithium-ion based EVs are not sustainable. Till we have better alternative to lithium ion batteries we should not bet on electric cars. Hybrid cars are more sense.
@@ndgprasad "But slowly even our government realising lithium-ion based EVs are not sustainable." What is the basis of this statement? Wasn't FAME II subsidy extended few days back? V in EV/HEV stands for Vehicle and not just Car. Electric 2 wheelers, 3 wheelers, buses, light cargo vehicles, they all fall under EV category. 2 and 3 wheelers are too small to accommodate hybrid drivetrain. Electric 2 and 3 wheelers are doing good in terms of sale figures.
In 1975, Steven Sasson developed Kodak's first prototype digital still camera, which used a Fairchild 100 x 100 pixel CCD. By 1986 Kodak had developed a sensor with 1.4 million pixels.
@@PJ-if4ju maybe you are the one with incomplete economics knowledge. Dude if it was any such way why would any companies even invest in oil industries. Even in other countries as well as in india. Chill dude.
Note: Recenty mercedes benz revised it's EV strategy And according to it, they won't go all ev insted they will be completely flexible and their ICE lineup will go well into the next decade. As said by Ceo Ola Kallenius
@@Rohit-ns5tt Xiaomi will never be successful in global car market. Even BYD is having trouble in European and American markets, which are the most mature automotive markets on the planet.
The infrastructure and ecosystem is not ready. But our govt is very eager. Showing EVs they have increased tax on normal cars and made them super expensive. And now banning and shaming petrol and diesel cars. Bangalore is already choking. Will soon put conjestion fare on cars. GPS toll will help to implement this. If you want to use car during certain hours, you pay 50 or so.
Totally agree with Japanese Car manufacturers, hybrid cars/plug in hybrids are best but as per me which power train tops the list is hydrogen combustion engine cars, with the original rev and exhaust sounds we really can enjoy ICE cars without any pollution, I Know it will need alot of research and work But I have faith that not much late we will drive hydrogen ICE cars.
On such a huge sedan Mirai, you have barely 320L boot due to huge h2 tanks It’s even worse than cng No boot space will exist on small cars when full size 5m long sedans are having 320L boot space What’s use of long range and quick fuelling when you can’t even put luggage in boot for road trip
@@nikovask6486 then it’s even worse because FCEV is 50% Efficient while h2 ice is same efficiency as normal ice ie 25% at best For h2 ice Mirai, you’ll have only 100L boot space because you’ll need 2x fuel capacity to match same 600km range Watch actual engineering channels like real engineering and engineering explained They have excellent explanations about efficiency of hydrogen ice and FCEV. So called H2 ice had to change fuel pump thrice during testing because it died on spot
In my opinion Two wheelers- swapable aluminium air batteries Four wheeler - replace with taxis and other public transportation. Or strong hybrid. Heavy vehicles - either strong diesel hybrid or overhead electric supply+ battery (electric highway concept). However environment friendly let the automobile industry becomes but nothing can beat railways in almost all aspects like environment, safety, speed, efficiency, economicity etc.
NMC (nickel mangnese cobalt) type batteries are dangerous because they contain nickel and cobalt . Both cobalt and nickel are scarce and expensive. But now world is moving towards LFP (Lithium iron phosphate) type batteries that dont contain nicket and cobalt. So electirc is the future but with LFP batteries.
CNG, Hybrid and Hydrogen fuelled cars are the way to go. An EV does more damage to the environment than it does good. Despite the potential of CNG, and after so many years, I'm not seeing any development in CNG-as-a-fuel department.
1:6:90 - Just because same amount of Lithium can produce a lot more Hybrid cars, doesn't mean that is the most efficient use of Lithium. Efficient use of a resource is determined by how much utility value it adds to the end users and not by how many units can be made with it. It ultimately depends on the customers. Otherwise everyone would be riding bicycles because who knows how many hundred bicycles can be made from the same amount of steel used in a car. Putting all eggs in Hybrid basket is a bad move. Only thing tilting the scale in favour of Hybrids right now is poor charging infrastructure for EV. Hybrids are neither cheaper to purchase nor cheaper to run than EVs. Sooner or later that advantage will be gone. Like how diesel market share fell rapidly once the price gap between petrol and diesel reduced.
I feel furious when gadkari says he's gonna ban diesel vehicles. All this is greta thumberg shit. I mean what about farmers and truckers. EV's won't even last 25 years and I think the Japanese are on right track
We should focus on small changes which can be implemented in a large volume, not radical changes which nobody will be able to implement. Hybrids are the way to go
For commercial vehicles - LNG, hydrogen is apt. For passenger vehicles - E100 ethanol ( if its possible), CNG, EVs as we have got lithium mines and we can reduce oil imports
😟making and Decomposing BATTERIES causes more POLLUTUIN than Combustion Fuel ( also forests are getting cut ti build mines and heavy machinary is also polluting much)
@@aditya_gupta bhai mere pass honda city he wo 4k rpm ke badd Jane ke badd andar jo sound aati he uski batt kar raha me aur Bhai jab engine start karte to wo start karne ka sound.
@@Amit-r76not everyone thinks same way To elders and small children/babies it’s noise RR spent billions in R&D to achieve the silence and NVH that even cheapest EV can provide 80% of
Why everybody talking about NMC batteries? There are LFP batteries currently also used my tata byd and future Mahindra cars which does require Nicle or cobalt instead of that they use iron and phosphorus (they are not rare)
@@NoName-xf8hyin 30kWh nexon battery there is just 3kg lithium If it lasts 1.6L km and dies very next day of warranty still 3kg is puny compared to the amount of fuel needed to drive 1.6L km Even at 30kmpl hybrid you need 5500L of fuel, that’s 5000kg of crude oil extraction refining and transport If you think one time mining of 3kg lithium which is recyclable is worse than continuous extraction refining and transport of crude oil, then congrats you’ve been fooled by OPEC
Sodium ion batteries without rear earth elements are coming up by CATL and Ambani has bought Fardion which has this tech and plans to mass produce this.. its just a matter of decade max when buying battery vehicle will be better option in terms of cost also along with environment.. fast charging also will be solved..also there are alluminium ion batteries with high 5C + charging capacity coming up enabling ultra fast charging
It costs $70K for which you can buy AWD model S with same 600km range in USA In return you get : 1. No range anxiety (because unlike h2, superchargers are present on all highways in USA) 2. 750L boot space vs 320L 3. Performance which needs no introduction (Mirai is even slower than nexon EV) 4. Can’t drive in dusty environments because it chokes the fuel cell air and ion filter, keep spending 300$ every month if you wanna drive in Delhi air 5. H2 tank has expiry date from factory, can’t drive it beyond that date All points from Mirai user manual
The way EV took centre stage 1 yr ago in India & currently sales graph are flat for couple of reasons:- 1) price affordability 2) return on investment 3) Range anxiety 4) battery life 5) charging station.
Really agree with Japanese my personal view is hybrid is the future not fully electric until and unless we won’t get an alternate to lead acıd or lithium ion.
What india needs is a good plug-in hybrid car catalogue. Which makes a relief from high fuel price and an affordable charging stations. Tata can easily make a hybrid car as it has both internal combustion and ev version of the same model why don't hey just mash them together. Ya they will be costly by will make sense for a guy who is scared to go full ev and the charging infra in our country is still growing so it makes the transition much more easier for the normal customer.
Just look at the Japanese car companies Q1 sales numbers and compare that to Tesla and BYD's pure EV sales and you'll know the Japanese automakers got it right with the hybrid strategy!
Car manufacturers often prioritize short-term profitability, leading them to equip hybrid cars with smaller batteries. Although hybrid technology holds great promise, the batteries should be large enough to meet the daily needs of commuters and include simultaneous plug-in charging capability.
Just as a consumer point of view, plug-in hybrids make much more sense than EVs just because of the range. Day-to-day travel distances are small enough to use the hybrids completely on electric modes and long trips are long enough to give range anxiety for most of the EVs in the market. The major reason people don't buy EVs is the anxiety of running out of battery which is can be addressed by hybrid cars.
apart from 1:6:90 rule, bahut saari jobs khatam ho jayengi jiska asar abhi se dikh raha h, EV k switchover se kaafi saari auto ancillaries companies collapse kar jayengi jiske chalte bahut log apni jobs kho denge. In my opinion, 100% electrification se better h ki engine ko or jyada downsize kar do or battery pack ko or bada kar do (just like Audi E-Tron, a n EV with a 2 cylinder engine as a range extender).
I used to like Japanese cars. After watching this video, I have started loving Japanese brands. Besides, if you do some research, you will find that while Fully electric cars are good for now, they will be disastrous in the future. Thank you. Love from Bangladesh.
Fuel cells can be the best option cos they are highly efficient but it must be produced on mass scale.....and safety concerns with hydrogen for sure.....
Wanted to correct you on 6:34. "rare earth minerals" are not rare and are abundantly present in the earth, but are considered "rare" because of the complexity in extracting them.
I read an article saying that hybrid cars are the most carbon neutral when compared to others Because ice cars contribute to pollution, electric cars contribute when manufactured and when disposed off
I agree partially with Japanese car makers and partially with others,it is necessary for us to move to electric and at the same time it's impossible to create infrastructure so i think between the transition of ICE and EVS , Hybrids and Plug in hybrids should come
These Japanese car manufacturers have been right all along. My two cents: they should diversify their product portfolios and perhaps limit their dependence on car exports.
Battery technology is changing rapidly. Sodium Ion cells have started being used BY BYD etc. These cells use significantly less rare metals. So in my opinion EV tech is going to determine the future of automotive definitely.
Also I think the fukushima incident put Japanese on the Blackfoot towards ev adoption. There isn't enough available electricity load for all in Japan after the incident and electric cars will add more load to the grid, thus alternative fuel / technology makes more sense. Adding to which the 1:6:90 is also a big concerns too.
Hi sir, Please make a video on why car have max speed of 300+ but still indian roads have speed limit of max. 120. Please make a detailed video on it and how to fix this problem Thank you
Being an EV user since 2018, I call full EVs a blunder as Mahindra majority of Service Centres stopped service E Verito and Govt changed charging standards to CCS from G/BT. EVs become obsolete much before Diesel cars (10 years in NCR). If you want to invest such a high price on your car, plugin hybrids are a much better choice. Let the technology stabilize first for full EV. Yes, running cost is very less for full EVs but if anything goes wrong in ur car, it's all about circuit boards it takes one year diesel cost just for a small circuit board (if you can arrange one as getting those for 2018 models are next to impossible.
Bro learn science first... It's possible to charge cars in 30 minutes via DC charger.... And if you add a bit of graphene In battery, it will charge very quickly. Also Toyota is working on hydrogen and solid state battery research, if they are successful in solid state battery, they will be the king of evidence market, because SSB are lighter, can hold more charge and easier to recycle and last longer.... Toyota said they will come out with SSB in like 2028 ish....
@@mantrachhaya6835 on roads speeds of vehicle tells we don't have even one minute of extra time. For business nuclear battery are best as they don't need charging for thousands years. Eveveryone don't need business few are interested in safety and security of lives too. And who says batteries are forever and pollution free. So only small scale are OK never commercialization.
I totally agree with Toyota's 1:6:90. In my opinion the government and these big brands are just imposing EVs on us forcefully.
@@binodtharu6071 You?
then dont buy EV :D
@@binodtharu6071 he is right though
@@divyanshbhutra5071 he is cycle owner 😂😂
agree
The Japanese are absolutely right in their assessment of Battery Electric Vehicles. What blackpilled me about BEVs is the stance of Toyota itself. Toyota never wholeheartedly committed to this madness. Mind you, they were one of the early investors in Tesla, which they later removed. They strongly believed in hydrogen and FCEVs as the future of automobiles. I had read back in 2014 that Toyota was working on a plan to mass-market solid-state battery tech by 2022 and later on hydrogen FCEVs. But the Tesla frenzy and, more importantly, the great dieselgate threw a big wrench into those plans.
As rightly pointed out in your video, there are several fundamental problems with EVs to begin with, like the scarcity of rare earth materials, most of whose mines are owned by China and maybe Musk. Charging Infra, and long charging hours, range anxiety etc. And the environmental friendliness of BEVs is just pure BS because you are just offloading the emissions onto the electricity generation plants, which in all probability are being run by coal. Even today, they are putting their resources behind hydrogen ICEs and FCEVs, and I think when this EV fever subsides, because we are still in the EV honeymoon period, the Japanese are going to have the last laugh. Even the Koreans still have maintained their hydrogen FCEV program amid EV madness. During a time when the world was captivated by aircrafts, the Japanese revolutionized long-distance travel with the Shinkansen.
I am rooting for the Japanese. Hope they succeed.
i think in India hybrid car make more sense (which eliminate range anxiety due poor charging infra) . Govt. should give some concession on them too.
I think government is trying to get the hydrogen fuel car
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If that happens tata and mahindra will be finished
No one will buy their cars anymore.
Everyone will get swayed by the insane mileage of hybrids.
I own a smart hybrid honda city and in terms of mileage it is ❤❤
Tata and mahindra lobbies govt in keeping taxes high on hybrids and they will in turn start building some semiconductor plant, making hybrids cheaper is the only way to go
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People in the USA are carrying diesel generators in their Cybertruck and using it to charge the batteries. That is a crude hybrid electric. Toyota has been saying for years that hybrids make more sense.
i had seen many tesla owner using same diesel generator for their electric car... hybrid is real future
@@cruciferlucifer No it's not, petrol diesal will extinct in 2-3 decades.
@@computerscience1101 then what will rule over petrol and diesel?? whats next reliable option for fuel ?? any suggestions
Toyota introduced hybrid and boom , it's fully successful
@@aur4466 it's a trash thing. Maintaining both battery and ICE.
1:6:90 was the scariest part of this video
I never knew that
It's a fact.. scariest fact
You don't know many things. Crores of rupees are looted by modi gang
Ayega to modi hi. Ab ja Pappu ke pas jake roo 😂😂@@Bittu_knk
There is not data to justify this fact
And they opened kotha for your mother 😂😂@@Bittu_knk
100% agree with Toyota's 1:6:90 rule. They're talking facts, the Govts have no work but to force us to move towards EVs. Like at least India's don't. They're like, as Europeans are changing to EV then we will also change to EV. They know how to copy, else they won't innovate anything. Japan is at least thinking and they gave us many alternatives. Why not using Biofuels and Ethanol type fuels? Like if those car companies would work on these and Govt would support it, then everyone wouldn't run around shouting V.
Most of the governments seem to take decisions based on what's being hyped up or is popular. Earlier (before electric cars had gained popularity), some of the European countries had been promoting diesel and subsidising it as they believed it was a cleaner fuel, probably due to its better mileage. Now those same governments are trying to ban diesel completely and push for EVs.
biofuel is bogus, ethanol increse food prices and exploitation of water, lithium is recyclable but is oil ?
@@rahuljha3965 how can you say biofuel is bogus when it's something that's still being worked in and we don't even know much about it. As far as lithium is concerned, yes, it's recyclable, but it's lifecycle is extremely polluting and this also leads to exploitation of water. As far as ethanol is concerned, the concerns you pointed out are valid in the beginning, but can be addressed. Brazil has been using ethanol since 70s or 80s.
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Absolutely love Japanese brands, even more now 😂
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@@tuneerghosh3464nissan e bio fuel cell car
Geraldo ji aap yaha
Hybrids > EV
EV are just being enforced on consumers. They are more expensive right now, charging issues and efficiency isn’t really that better compared to a hybrid.
1:6:90 was true. Car companies know about these problems but instead of working on their RnD department they are focusing more on making profits.
prime example of this is Maruti, its a toxic company to work with and this company has become profit driven rather than a customer centric organization.
@@Mucozimedude grow up... Suzuki is the only company which openly said we won't go electric in India by forcing adoption... They are developing series full hybrid cars which gives 35kmpl mileage(car runs only on motor but engine is placed to recharge EV only compared to current hybrid where both engine and motor drives cars)...
Toyota has also openly said EV doesn't make sense and opening new production plant in toyota bidadi bangalore for hybrids only....
Shame on tata and mahindra who are using EV hype to increase their market capitalization....
@@THUGPUTINek bat bata charging time ke karn ev bekar hai tumhare liye rat me charge karke 300 -400 km range hoti hai utna koi nhi chalta agr koi travel krta hai to rukta bhi hai pollution wali bat to is Vedio me kai flows and baised bhi
LOL true in what sense? Who backed it up except by the internal Toyota team? First of all, the elements being used are not rare and second, the paper doesn't even consider the other material used for non EVs which are way more for ICE vehicles and then there's fuel that need to be taken into consideration later on. There's a reason why that so called rule is not known to many and not considered by most.
@@THUGPUTIN are you out of your mind ? I work for maruti and the company is toxic AF, it just want to shove it's sub par products in people's arse.
Hybrid cars are the only viable long term solution. EV's do more damage than good, in the long term
We need Biodiesel or ethanol cars and bikes. I wish Indian govt. too was promoting them instead of mindlessly pushing for EVs.
Run everything on Methane. You can make a lot of it by utilising the waste like cow dung, waste vegetable peels and rotting fruits, and basically any plant based thing. Today, it goes in with other garbage, where it decomposes and releases Methane into the atmosphere, which is 28 times more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. Using it as fuel, is hence, Carbon negative. Also it needs to be stored at just 200 bars, and since it doesn't corrode metals, it can be stored in cheap, normal, steel cylinders used for CNG (which is about 60% methane), unlike Hydrogen requiring ultra expensive composite tanks. And on top of that, it's much more energy dense than petrol and diesel, at 55.7 MJ/kg, and a usably high volumetric energy density, unlike Hydrogen, and can hence be used in cars, bikes, jets, ships, steel industry, construction industry, etc. Moreover, Methane is a great fuel for both Spark Ignition engines (like Petrols) and Compression Ignition engines (like Diesels), and can run in both engines with minimal modifications to the engine, mainly the timing of the valves, and the fuel injector, which is again in stark contrast to Hydrogen, which needs a much more robustly made engine block to deal with the extra pressure from explosions, along with extremely precision engineered injectors, and the fuel piping, since Hydrogen can leak out of even atomic level cracks. All this means we get to keep things we love, while benefitting the environment more than any EV ever would, and most importantly, without causing a hole in the pockets of people who can't afford a much more expensive and worse version of what we have today.
@@divyanshbhutra5071 wow!
BIO CNG
Exactly, this mindless ev push is beyond me.... lithium ion batteries aren't suitable for cars .... period...you can't even put out a lithium fire with readily available water ....and then comes the range....it will never match what is advertised.....these EV companies are looting us ....not 1 ev customer is satisfied with the car but still people made it look like some wonder technology....which it is not ....if petrol vehicles are replaced by EVs the carbon emissions will also be replaced by those lithium battery factories that's it ... nothing will change. This is in fact worse for the environment.
@@rhushirajbandal7831 It's Bio Methane, not Bio CNG. CNG is essentially Methane with a LOT of impurities, hence has a relatively low energy density compared to other hydrocarbon fuels. That's why cars on CNG run bad when high power is demanded from the engine. Pure Methane, is the complete opposite.
Main reason for ev is the geopolitics
Too much issues with oil providing countries have pushed countries to adopt EVs
True mostly oil money goes to terrorist's
Bhai Green Peace is shit ... ek number ka hypocrite hai ...
Ye log saale developing nations ko hi target karte h, Greenpeace k pille ghumte hue dikh jaayenge, mota donation dene k liye tumhe convince karenge.
Yeh sab Western hoti hai, aur West me toh hypocrisy hi chalti hai.
That's an accurate description of Green Peace.
Yea
@@amiteshrohi1070 yahan nahi chalta hypocrisy?
Japanese are correct, EV is not a long term bet, Lithium Ion's carbon footprint and green house effect is far far more than ICE engine. Even Govt of India's long term bet is not EV but Green Hydrogen. Only problem is when green Hydrogen storage issue resolved. so they don't want to spend on EV R&D. Even for us India where price is a big factor we should have moved to mandatory hybrid instead of EV. even plugin hybrid would have been better till we master the green hydrogen. check their spend on Hydrogen fuel.
It’s easier and cheaper to build charging than hydrogen stations, you need tanks of carbon fibre and Kevlar lining because metal will react and break apart when in contact with h2 that’s why h2 ice has failed
Only fuel cell works that too because it uses platinum palladium which are noble metals and don’t react with h2
First read my comment, I have mentioned that Hydrogen has a storage issue. @@shresthsonkar9207
BEVs have much lesser overall pollution related to them as compared to ICE cars. please dont compare carbon emissions for a particular stage only. u have to compare pollution from mining to use. Also lithium batteries can be recycled and 95% of the material can be recovered. Just read about Batx energies in India
I agree with Japan Car company
Biggest problem with electric cars is that they are loss making adventure for any car maker. Not a single car maker makes electric vehicles with profit except Tesla.
Not to mention, owning an electric car is a terrible experience. I live in the US with arguably one of the best electric infrastructure and still electric car infrastructure is pathetic so it's not surprising that Japanese want to stay away from electric right now and waiting for technology to improve.
For making profit you need economy of scale
Only tesla has that kind of economy of scale due to their vertical integration
Other brands are not selling enough vehicles to justify their factory investment and R&D, this lack of R&D in turns shows in their products wherein tesla beat all other ev’s in terms of range performance and price
@@shresthsonkar9207 Also, they started to produce profit now only. They were in loss for a long time.
@@abhidityasingh9444 same reason : THEY WERENT MAKING ENOUGH CARS BACK THEN
How hard is it to understand?
Before model 3 and Y, tesla barely sold 100K cars per year, now they sell 1M ev’s
US has one of the terrible infrastructure outside of the Tesla network really. Best is still Norway and China
Absolutely, hybrid cars make more sense than fully electric cars.
Unless there is a breakthrough in battery technology, we cannot sustain EV's. There is simply not enough infrastructure. Especially in India, Nitin Gadkari seems a bit misguided with his latest announcements about completely doing away with Petrol and Diesel vehicles.
That buffoon Gadkari has no common sense.
Completely moving away from petrol and diesel he doesn't mean going all EV but that also include ethanol powered engine and cng cars as well
hybrid is the best for cars, but you also get worst of the both.
Hybrids are way too costly
At current state, EVs are not the future. They can't be, until and unless a few problems aren't solved.
Keep dreaming 😊😊
Agreed. EV's can't last in long term. As explained in the video Toyota's secret document states some major key factor. We might end up losing all our natural resources.
@@Weirdo_on_yt724like how much you are going to mine Lithium you will run out.
In fact there are more fuel reserves than your Lithium
@@Weirdo_on_yt724yes EVs have the future of a Mobile Phone.
Buy a new one every 5 year😢
@@ChandranPrema123 the battery technology is evolving
Graphite is taking place of lithium
I totally agree with the mindset of Japanese car makers. In fact building an ev creates the amount of pollution which is equivalent to build a gasoline car and run it for 150k kilometres. Moreover in countries like india we mostly produce electricity by burning fossil fuel.
bro pls put your brain from comod, its bogus info, and petrol also need electricity to refine so its 2x pollution but hey continue with ur rotten brain
I’m scared how the govt. wants us to shift to EVs. Where would the enthsiasts go?
They force us to shift in Ev's 😑
Enthusiasts as in "Loud pipe attention seekers" will have to suck it up and cry at home.
Enthusiasts as in "Performance lovers" will be fine.
@@isotropicantenna: Yaa but none of them would like to wait for those painful long hours like a looser at the charge station and none of the performance enthusiasts would like to "plan" everytime before they take that battery box on 4 wheels outside. The biggest pain in owning an EV is the awful long time taken to charge that shitbox, coupled with range anxiety and charging infra......
Issue is our government did all bets on EVs because our desi manufacturers lobbied hard. But slowly even our government realising lithium-ion based EVs are not sustainable. Till we have better alternative to lithium ion batteries we should not bet on electric cars. Hybrid cars are more sense.
@@ndgprasad "But slowly even our government realising lithium-ion based EVs are not sustainable."
What is the basis of this statement? Wasn't FAME II subsidy extended few days back?
V in EV/HEV stands for Vehicle and not just Car. Electric 2 wheelers, 3 wheelers, buses, light cargo vehicles, they all fall under EV category.
2 and 3 wheelers are too small to accommodate hybrid drivetrain. Electric 2 and 3 wheelers are doing good in terms of sale figures.
In 1975, Steven Sasson developed Kodak's first prototype digital still camera, which used a Fairchild 100 x 100 pixel CCD. By 1986 Kodak had developed a sensor with 1.4 million pixels.
As always no replacement for displacement
Cause nothing can match the feel of the reving and grunt of the engins
Especially a Diesel Car power❤❤
@@DivyankKaushikonce a diesel lover always a diesel lover❤
@@palma123_jaat yes 😍
Bas yahi kar Everytime you buy Petrol India becomes poor . Har saal $100bn dollar crude oil mai kharch hojate hai
@@PJ-if4ju maybe you are the one with incomplete economics knowledge.
Dude if it was any such way why would any companies even invest in oil industries. Even in other countries as well as in india.
Chill dude.
Note: Recenty mercedes benz revised it's EV strategy
And according to it, they won't go all ev insted they will be completely flexible and their ICE lineup will go well into the next decade. As said by Ceo Ola Kallenius
Haha letsgooo
Your content is addictive 👀
Japanese carmaker are actually focusing on hydrogen combustion engine especially Toyota
I think it's actually good
I love your content man. Have been watching you for months now. Really appreciate you
Japanese car brand is going to save the world from EVs
Mahindra needs to put an ICE engine variant in their upcoming vehicles. Their coupe will be hit in ICE format
The Be Rall E Series Looks Sexy In Concept
After Byd and Xiaomi car I don't think ICE will survive
@@Rohit-ns5tt Xiaomi will never be successful in global car market. Even BYD is having trouble in European and American markets, which are the most mature automotive markets on the planet.
@@divyanshbhutra5071because europe and USA govt puts huge import sanction on China
Not because the product is unworthy.
@@shresthsonkar9207 I can only tell you to analyse the data of the least reliable vehicles, and the ones with most major breakdowns.
The infrastructure and ecosystem is not ready. But our govt is very eager. Showing EVs they have increased tax on normal cars and made them super expensive. And now banning and shaming petrol and diesel cars.
Bangalore is already choking. Will soon put conjestion fare on cars. GPS toll will help to implement this. If you want to use car during certain hours, you pay 50 or so.
Totally agree with Japanese Car manufacturers, hybrid cars/plug in hybrids are best but as per me which power train tops the list is hydrogen combustion engine cars, with the original rev and exhaust sounds we really can enjoy ICE cars without any pollution, I Know it will need alot of research and work But I have faith that not much late we will drive hydrogen ICE cars.
On such a huge sedan Mirai, you have barely 320L boot due to huge h2 tanks
It’s even worse than cng
No boot space will exist on small cars when full size 5m long sedans are having 320L boot space
What’s use of long range and quick fuelling when you can’t even put luggage in boot for road trip
@@shresthsonkar9207 bhai vo hydrogen fuel cell car hai naa ki hydrogen combustion engine car
@@nikovask6486 then it’s even worse because FCEV is 50% Efficient while h2 ice is same efficiency as normal ice ie 25% at best
For h2 ice Mirai, you’ll have only 100L boot space because you’ll need 2x fuel capacity to match same 600km range
Watch actual engineering channels like real engineering and engineering explained
They have excellent explanations about efficiency of hydrogen ice and FCEV.
So called H2 ice had to change fuel pump thrice during testing because it died on spot
In my opinion
Two wheelers- swapable aluminium air batteries
Four wheeler - replace with taxis and other public transportation. Or strong hybrid.
Heavy vehicles - either strong diesel hybrid or overhead electric supply+ battery (electric highway concept).
However environment friendly let the automobile industry becomes but nothing can beat railways in almost all aspects like environment, safety, speed, efficiency, economicity etc.
Your extremely in depth research and unbeatable quality forced me to subscribe. Thanks
NMC (nickel mangnese cobalt) type batteries are dangerous because they contain nickel and cobalt . Both cobalt and nickel are scarce and expensive.
But now world is moving towards LFP (Lithium iron phosphate) type batteries that dont contain nicket and cobalt.
So electirc is the future but with LFP batteries.
CNG, Hybrid and Hydrogen fuelled cars are the way to go. An EV does more damage to the environment than it does good.
Despite the potential of CNG, and after so many years, I'm not seeing any development in CNG-as-a-fuel department.
Yeah tell that to big powerful ngos which are leading these sorts of arguments and making major monetary contributions to govts etc
Cng fuel produces less power
@@DivyankKaushik I see. But it's either power or fuel efficiency for now. If we want both then I think it's Hydrogen as a fuel.
1:6:90 - Just because same amount of Lithium can produce a lot more Hybrid cars, doesn't mean that is the most efficient use of Lithium. Efficient use of a resource is determined by how much utility value it adds to the end users and not by how many units can be made with it. It ultimately depends on the customers. Otherwise everyone would be riding bicycles because who knows how many hundred bicycles can be made from the same amount of steel used in a car.
Putting all eggs in Hybrid basket is a bad move. Only thing tilting the scale in favour of Hybrids right now is poor charging infrastructure for EV. Hybrids are neither cheaper to purchase nor cheaper to run than EVs. Sooner or later that advantage will be gone. Like how diesel market share fell rapidly once the price gap between petrol and diesel reduced.
I feel furious when gadkari says he's gonna ban diesel vehicles. All this is greta thumberg shit. I mean what about farmers and truckers. EV's won't even last 25 years and I think the Japanese are on right track
He still allows hybrid and CNG
@@berzerius tractors ain't hybrid mate!
@@M16-bf4kutractors can run on cng mate
Japanese car brands aur next Kodak or Nokia.
@@Charvak-Atheistnow japanse carmakers like mazda, Nissan started making ev
We should focus on small changes which can be implemented in a large volume, not radical changes which nobody will be able to implement. Hybrids are the way to go
Respect for Japanese auto makers 📈🗿
For commercial vehicles - LNG, hydrogen is apt.
For passenger vehicles - E100 ethanol ( if its possible), CNG, EVs as we have got lithium mines and we can reduce oil imports
Cycle kharid lunga per ev nhi✌🏼
Not even ICE cars
Bhai aaukat bhi chiya ev ke liye
@@HarshitGuddimath-i9g Han bhai per ye baat tere liye apply ho sakti he mere paas to he skoda slavia🥲✌🏻
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Electric cycle is good too for city use, shopping etc. Home charging is easy.
Bro your videos are awesome.
I am surprised how you don't have a million followers
😟making and Decomposing BATTERIES causes more POLLUTUIN than Combustion Fuel ( also forests are getting cut ti build mines and heavy machinary is also polluting much)
Fully agree with Toyota, hybrid and fuel cell is the way forward.
Sodium batteries par kaafi kaam ho chuka hai, rare elements ka panga hi nahi
Bhai please explain more
US / Europe / China / Korea : 🤡🏳🌈🌈💅BTS💜
Japan : 💪🗿🤫🧏♂ bye bye !
8:40 Incorrect data point: manufacturing is around 20% of Japan’s GDP not 89% as stated in this video.
Electric cars never beat fuel cars
Because of sound 🔊
Bas sound nahi bhai feel ki batt he wo vibration wo engine start aur rev ki sound aur wo feel jo explain nahi kar sakte bhau😢
India ki kaun si ice car mein sound hai except expensive luxury ones?
@@aditya_gupta bhai mere pass honda city he wo 4k rpm ke badd Jane ke badd andar jo sound aati he uski batt kar raha me aur Bhai jab engine start karte to wo start karne ka sound.
AUR diesel cars ki feel❤❤ jo torque hota h ❤
@@Amit-r76not everyone thinks same way
To elders and small children/babies it’s noise
RR spent billions in R&D to achieve the silence and NVH that even cheapest EV can provide 80% of
It's a pure backmail, as a consumer i need options.
Disappointed that you did clarify on 1 6 90 argument flaw.. Seeing so many comments impressed with it, without understanding inherent flaw in it :-(
Speaking anti EV means more views and engagement
If he will make pro EV vid then every 14yo soupbruh kid will unsubscribe him.
1:19 Sir, Suzuki got an only Plug in Hybrid car which is Suzuki Across which is a rebadged version of Toyota Rav4.
Why everybody talking about NMC batteries?
There are LFP batteries currently also used my tata byd and future Mahindra cars which does require Nicle or cobalt instead of that they use iron and phosphorus (they are not rare)
It requires lithium on cathode 😂 which is abundant in earth Fe is iron and po4 stands for phosphorus
@@NoName-xf8hy lithium is not as rare as cobalt or even nickel
@@NoName-xf8hyin 30kWh nexon battery there is just 3kg lithium
If it lasts 1.6L km and dies very next day of warranty still 3kg is puny compared to the amount of fuel needed to drive 1.6L km
Even at 30kmpl hybrid you need 5500L of fuel, that’s 5000kg of crude oil extraction refining and transport
If you think one time mining of 3kg lithium which is recyclable is worse than continuous extraction refining and transport of crude oil, then congrats you’ve been fooled by OPEC
Govt should build more public transport infra rather than mindlessly promoting personal vehicles (whether it be EVs, Electric, Hybrid)
Sodium ion batteries without rear earth elements are coming up by CATL and Ambani has bought Fardion which has this tech and plans to mass produce this.. its just a matter of decade max when buying battery vehicle will be better option in terms of cost also along with environment.. fast charging also will be solved..also there are alluminium ion batteries with high 5C + charging capacity coming up enabling ultra fast charging
this guy has not done proper research and just made a video from Japanese car companies propaganda
The sodium ion battery will give more push to plug in hybrids than ev or typical hybrids
Doesn't Hybrids pollute, hybrid lovers are hyping it like it doesn't emit pollutants, enhanced mileage is the only advantage
Make a video of Toyota mirai and future of hydrogen cars in India
It costs $70K for which you can buy AWD model S with same 600km range in USA
In return you get :
1. No range anxiety (because unlike h2, superchargers are present on all highways in USA)
2. 750L boot space vs 320L
3. Performance which needs no introduction (Mirai is even slower than nexon EV)
4. Can’t drive in dusty environments because it chokes the fuel cell air and ion filter, keep spending 300$ every month if you wanna drive in Delhi air
5. H2 tank has expiry date from factory, can’t drive it beyond that date
All points from Mirai user manual
The way EV took centre stage 1 yr ago in India & currently sales graph are flat for couple of reasons:-
1) price affordability
2) return on investment
3) Range anxiety
4) battery life
5) charging station.
Hybrids make more sense ❤
Green Hydrogen is best choice in this case. No pollution, no mineral waste, no crud , no monopoly of middle East.
As a mechanical electrical vehicle student i really like to see ev future
😂😂 tui chomu hai bhai As always we like engine noise
Its all fucked up. Why you people love gay evs they pollute more than ice cars.
That's the reason why Nitin gadkari promoting flex fuel, ethanol etc 😊
EV not the future.. atleast with lithium cells..
Check Xiaomi car, it will end ice cars
@@Rohit-ns5tt lol, 😂😂
Cry baby
I literally gave this point in your community post😎
6:18 That's Why Ev Is Not The Future, Hybrids Are!!
Totally agreed with Toyota I am totally against these EV instead hydrogen powered cars seems like a future
Really agree with Japanese my personal view is hybrid is the future not fully electric until and unless we won’t get an alternate to lead acıd or lithium ion.
What india needs is a good plug-in hybrid car catalogue. Which makes a relief from high fuel price and an affordable charging stations. Tata can easily make a hybrid car as it has both internal combustion and ev version of the same model why don't hey just mash them together. Ya they will be costly by will make sense for a guy who is scared to go full ev and the charging infra in our country is still growing so it makes the transition much more easier for the normal customer.
There is no replacement for the IC engines cars at all keeping in mind their flexibility efficiency in working
Just look at the Japanese car companies Q1 sales numbers and compare that to Tesla and BYD's pure EV sales and you'll know the Japanese automakers got it right with the hybrid strategy!
After with the Japanese brands, but I believe the future will be e fuel, flex fuel and hybrid
All governments will make policies that'll benefit their own companies rather than the environment. Be it Us, Eu or Japan!!!
EVs are fine but they must be affordable and the charging infrastructure must be in place.
Each and every video of your channel deserves billions of views 👏 ❤️ and also subscribers 😀 👏 ❤️
Car manufacturers often prioritize short-term profitability, leading them to equip hybrid cars with smaller batteries. Although hybrid technology holds great promise, the batteries should be large enough to meet the daily needs of commuters and include simultaneous plug-in charging capability.
Just as a consumer point of view, plug-in hybrids make much more sense than EVs just because of the range. Day-to-day travel distances are small enough to use the hybrids completely on electric modes and long trips are long enough to give range anxiety for most of the EVs in the market. The major reason people don't buy EVs is the anxiety of running out of battery which is can be addressed by hybrid cars.
Totally agree, every person's mind has gone! Batteries can never be environmental friendly at all!
Thanks for showing Japanese Subaru symbol in your videos. Its most under rated automotive company.
I also think so. There is not much Lithium and cobalt for EVs. We need fuel cells.
Guess how much lithium is present in a 40kWh battery pack.
Hybrid + Biofuels cars are the future
apart from 1:6:90 rule, bahut saari jobs khatam ho jayengi jiska asar abhi se dikh raha h, EV k switchover se kaafi saari auto ancillaries companies collapse kar jayengi jiske chalte bahut log apni jobs kho denge. In my opinion, 100% electrification se better h ki engine ko or jyada downsize kar do or battery pack ko or bada kar do (just like Audi E-Tron, a n EV with a 2 cylinder engine as a range extender).
I used to like Japanese cars. After watching this video, I have started loving Japanese brands. Besides, if you do some research, you will find that while Fully electric cars are good for now, they will be disastrous in the future.
Thank you. Love from Bangladesh.
TATA should launch Hybrids
I completely agree with Toyota, hybrids are the real sustainable automotive solution.
Fuel cells can be the best option cos they are highly efficient but it must be produced on mass scale.....and safety concerns with hydrogen for sure.....
Wanted to correct you on 6:34. "rare earth minerals" are not rare and are abundantly present in the earth, but are considered "rare" because of the complexity in extracting them.
I read an article saying that hybrid cars are the most carbon neutral when compared to others
Because ice cars contribute to pollution, electric cars contribute when manufactured and when disposed off
I agree partially with Japanese car makers and partially with others,it is necessary for us to move to electric and at the same time it's impossible to create infrastructure so i think between the transition of ICE and EVS , Hybrids and Plug in hybrids should come
These Japanese car manufacturers have been right all along. My two cents: they should diversify their product portfolios and perhaps limit their dependence on car exports.
Toyota has got Corola hybrid in Australia and it’s way fuel efficient (not exaggerating at all). Have first hand experience.
I believe in Hybrids over EV's
ev policy not environment..its for business..
Battery technology is changing rapidly. Sodium Ion cells have started being used BY BYD etc. These cells use significantly less rare metals. So in my opinion EV tech is going to determine the future of automotive definitely.
Byd have shown that proper r&d efforts can make betteries more affordable and environment friendly.LFP Blade batteries are changing the world of EV.
Also I think the fukushima incident put Japanese on the Blackfoot towards ev adoption. There isn't enough available electricity load for all in Japan after the incident and electric cars will add more load to the grid, thus alternative fuel / technology makes more sense. Adding to which the 1:6:90 is also a big concerns too.
even i dont feel good about EV. so may problems, and EV is still at very nascent stages so its hard to figure it out the buying decision.
Hi sir,
Please make a video on why car have max speed of 300+ but still indian roads have speed limit of max. 120.
Please make a detailed video on it and how to fix this problem
Thank you
If 1:6:90 is true ten, hell yeah man I agree with Japanese automobile industry
Being an EV user since 2018, I call full EVs a blunder as Mahindra majority of Service Centres stopped service E Verito and Govt changed charging standards to CCS from G/BT.
EVs become obsolete much before Diesel cars (10 years in NCR). If you want to invest such a high price on your car, plugin hybrids are a much better choice.
Let the technology stabilize first for full EV.
Yes, running cost is very less for full EVs but if anything goes wrong in ur car, it's all about circuit boards it takes one year diesel cost just for a small circuit board (if you can arrange one as getting those for 2018 models are next to impossible.
Battery is damaged if charged faster using high voltage. So for vehicle it's not possible to have slow charging.
Bro learn science first... It's possible to charge cars in 30 minutes via DC charger.... And if you add a bit of graphene In battery, it will charge very quickly. Also Toyota is working on hydrogen and solid state battery research, if they are successful in solid state battery, they will be the king of evidence market, because SSB are lighter, can hold more charge and easier to recycle and last longer.... Toyota said they will come out with SSB in like 2028 ish....
@@mantrachhaya6835 on roads speeds of vehicle tells we don't have even one minute of extra time. For business nuclear battery are best as they don't need charging for thousands years. Eveveryone don't need business few are interested in safety and security of lives too. And who says batteries are forever and pollution free. So only small scale are OK never commercialization.