The m80m is absolutely unbeatable. Those Lundgrens are amazing. It wipes the floor with the LTD. The 9's were more even, but the Schecter sounds clearer with it's extra scale lenght.
I preferred the LTD. The others sounded more bass like. The LTD still sounded like a guitar frequency wise. Had more mids, maybe due to the shorter scale and pickups. Awesome demo. Thanks!
Your songs u do for these demos are the best in the game in my opinion. I watch them just for a new song!! M80m is a bucket list guitar for me for sure!
Killer comparison man. I liked the Stephan Carpenter, but the Schecter was great too. Hard to choose, I think though that scanned length on the Schecter made it really articulate. Great riffs too man! Great work!
1. I liked the sound of each one. 2. I have 4 guitars added to my list of "want/need to buy". 3. Huge shoutout for wearing a Metallica Load shirt. One of my favorite albums.
The m80m sounds the best. I have the Schecter Banshee Mach 7 FR S with lundgren pickups. They are great for those low tones. I used to have the Ibanez RG8 with the Tosin Abasi pickups installed. It sounded beautiful. I bought the RG9 and the stock pickups and 5 way toggle made it really shine. I also had the RGA9 with EMG 909s installed. I loved the Meshuggah style bridge it came with. It's great for tuning stability. Anyway, I've rambled on too long. I think I'd go with the Ibanez m80m OR Schecter 9 string. Great video! Take care, Sam.
Man that M80 sounds amazing. The SC dont sound too bad either, but the M80 stands head and shoulders above the others. That first note you hit on the SC though immediately put me in mind of Yiuve Seen the Butcher so theyve done a good job capturing his tone with that guitar for sure Btw: is that shirt a Japanese version of Metallica's Load???
Do you record bands/artists? Is that how you make a living? Or is all this gear personal collection? I figured since the channel is called “studio”. Love the videos.
At the riff at 8:10 you can clearly hear that signature Deftones guitar sound at the higher harmonics, at the 8:40 riff you can also hear the Meshuggah sound at the dampened pickings. I like the fact that these are all the same rig, and only differing in the guitars, but they sound so different as they just sit in their own way in the mix and making it sound a bit more like the actual band where they come from
Great comparison vid and awesome riffage going here, buddy! What guitar distortion pedal and amp modeller would you recommend for a detuned 8-string guitar? Holy crap the Ibanez with Lundgrens sounded sick. Tone quality of these 4 are very solid and close to each other to be honest 👍🏻👍🏻
Ltd all the way . But that's just a thing with me I always prefer shorter sound. 24.75 for drop d or c 25m5 for drop b or a etc. I don't really get why people like sound of a baritone (for the tuning if you know what I mean)
These sort of things always come down to personal preference at the end of the day. There's absolutely nothing wrong or incorrect about liking the generally darker and less defined(?) sound of low tunings on shorter scale lengths. Also, depending on what kind of music you're playing, that kind of tone would even be preferable. I'm more into the baritone sound myself, but I've heard plenty of great bands/songs that use shorter lengths for low tunings and they wouldn't sound the same to me with a baritone.
Great video! Thanks for making this. I’ve been curious about longer scale necks for 8-strings. The 7th and 8th just feel a little too loose for me. During tuning they always just seem to be all over the place too
Comparisons of extended-scale guitars need to factor in lead playing. I know you said you’re not a lead player, but that’s precisely the area in which extended-range guitars become a problem - not just with regards to playability (due to the increased string tension making bends harder), but also with regards to sound: High notes on high strings, when they are under higher tension due to the extended scale length, sound a lot shriekier than on a 6-string or other guitar with a standard scale length. I learned this the hard way with my Schecter Hellraiser C-8 FR. It’s one of the reasons why multiscale guitars were invented. Then again, those can’t have Floyd Roses - at least, I’ve never seen one on a multiscale guitar.
I would probably guess it feels like you’re playing 13s on that high e, I’ve had 13s on my high e 6 string guitar and it sounds killer, but it also feels killer on the finger tips, hurts until you kinda get used to it.
@@SonicDriveStudio Yeah thats true. Using different amps / bits of gear I find they (actives) also sound good without mucking around too much if that makes sense
Schetcer is absolutely the best! Even with muddy EMGs it does sound articulate with expressive mids and tight end. Even better than Ibanez M80. I'm curious to hear how this beast would be sounding with Lundgren or Lace pickup. I would rather buy this black thing instead of my Agile 930.
Great video. Have you tried the "official" 24v mod for your 808's and 909's? Removes a bit of that over-compressed sound EMG is plagued by, and increases pick attack and overall feel. Those 909's sounded pretty dope in that 9 of yours already though! I put one in my 30" Agile 9 and was really surprised... it had the clarity of a Fishman, but the sound of an EMG. Instantly bought a few more for all my 808's and 909's.
Definitely dig the Meshuggah guitar and Schecter the most. They really cut through. I got a cheaper Schecter Demon-8. I’m not sure how I feel about it yet. Probably could use a pickup upgrade from the active Schecter branded ones.
I found the test very cool, LTD I honestly thought the worst of the test followed by the ibanez RGIR9FME, I think that if this bridge is replaced by a Hipshot the thing will improve substantially. The M80M has no comparison and is a champion even without doing tests with it but the icing on the cake of this test was the Schecter Damien Platinum, it was by far the best sound ever!
LTD is my favourite for this kind of guitars, maybe because the scale. The others have a sound more like the classic 30" baritones, bass VI etc. And maybe in that range I prefer the single coil 'grnly' sound of these baritones.
Wood type and construction are around 0.2% considering that solidbody electric guitars work off of magnetics and wood isn't magnetic. That said, the Ibanez and the Stephen Carpenter sig are probably the 2 best sounding out of this video
When it comes to extended range something that doesn't get nearly enough attention is bridge pickup placement. In fact I think it is one of the most important things to look for as the pickup can always be changed the route location cannot. The closer it is to the bridge the tighter that sound is. If you want an 8 or 9 string and you see the bridge pickup is a suspect distance from the bridge like that ibanez 9 string steer clear. If anyone is looking for an 8 string guitar recommendation I would say check out the ignition series from Jericho guitars. My fusion ignition 8 cost me 750 at the time and it sounds miles better than any other 8 I've owned/ played. I've had 4 Ibanez 8 strings between the prestige and premium lines and they don't come close.
I bought an Ignition 8. I got a dud. Nut was filed way too low on the D & G strings. The neck pocket also wasn't routed flush (there was a lip on the front that angled the neck forward). Yeah, i fixed it, but damn. Can't say I'd ever buy a Jericho again.
@@RyRyTheBassGuy that's a bummer I know several people who have bought them on my recommendation and have only heard stellar things. Did you reach out to their customer service? Really nice people
I've got the 8-string version of that Damien 9, and I can't ever for the life of me get the pickups sounding that clear. Anything you've done to them by any chance? Just the difference between 808s and 909s?
Damn, that M80M slaps hard, I've always loved it. How does the 29.4 inch scale feel on the high strings on standard tuning, though? Is the tension ok, or is it getting difficult to bend and stuff?
LTD is best here because those chords sounded so full and rich. Right after that come the Ibanez in my ears and both Ibanez sounded similar. I dont like the schecter cause it sounds so nasal and metallic here and I even play a schecter lol but 6 String.
Fushmans sound as always very mid focused which is very not heavy if you want to okay something djent oriented. True classic is M80M but not with this setup. Schecter sounded really nice too.
I have this weird fantasy that I'd be up on stage performing with one of these 4, but with pop songs or something light hearted. I guess I find the dichotomy interesting. So now I'm shopping around for an m80m hahaha. I heard Steph say in a video that he wasn't pleased with the Fishmans bc of how they were dialed in. Something about being done over the phone, maybe? I hope he one day gets to make the ones he is actually pleased with, bc that "Dorothy" is gorgeous.
That's weird because I could've swore I watched a video of Steph talking about being there in person with the guys from Fishman to dial in the EQ for his pickups. It just seems like a weird thing to quite literally "phone it in" with the tone of something like your own signature pickups.
@@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE th-cam.com/video/PZwahqc3ssM/w-d-xo.html Ah, OK. So they were in his bedroom I guess. Which he admits wasn't the best for sound quality.
@@CFChristian Oh I definitely don't either and, funny enough, I think the video I'm talking about is from NAMM. Maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly. It's been quite a while since I watched it.
I liked the sound of RGIR9FME the most, but Damien Platinum looks the coolest. And I like the sound of the ninth string better on Damien. But I like the sound of thin strings better on the M80M. It's so hard to choose. How to merge these guitars together. :D
I wanted to buy the Damien but in their website it's available with the bats as frets marks which I find looks ridicolous lol. How did this guy remove the bats?
The m80m is absolutely unbeatable. Those Lundgrens are amazing. It wipes the floor with the LTD. The 9's were more even, but the Schecter sounds clearer with it's extra scale lenght.
I like the LTD best out of the comparison. However, that Schecter got something going.
the Schecter is just brutal sounding. Love it.
LTD is absolute killer. Love the sound shape and color. The best among other beasts.
Yep the m80m does it for me! What an amazing sound!
The Deftones guitar cuts trough the mix better than the odders, it is indeed really defined
I preferred the LTD. The others sounded more bass like. The LTD still sounded like a guitar frequency wise. Had more mids, maybe due to the shorter scale and pickups. Awesome demo. Thanks!
Yeah man. For a 27 inch guitar, the F# sounds killer! The Fishman pickups are pretty tight sounding so that definitely plays a big part.
Your songs u do for these demos are the best in the game in my opinion. I watch them just for a new song!! M80m is a bucket list guitar for me for sure!
Ibanez M80M 8-String (Meshuggah) - the best sound, I think. And also Ibanez RGIR9FME 9-String sounds good for me.
Thank you Jon for this comparison!
Ltd for the 8, schecter for the 9. That schecter has got some growl i like
Killer comparison man. I liked the Stephan Carpenter, but the Schecter was great too. Hard to choose, I think though that scanned length on the Schecter made it really articulate. Great riffs too man! Great work!
1. I liked the sound of each one. 2. I have 4 guitars added to my list of "want/need to buy". 3. Huge shoutout for wearing a Metallica Load shirt. One of my favorite albums.
Really hard to pick one between the LTD, M80m and Schecter. But I think I'll go with the LTD because of that punchy and tight tone
Hi! Great job! Really like your videos! My favorites' re the m80m and Damien Platinum 9. However all guitars sounds great and sound is amazing).
I couldn’t tell the difference at my end , they all sound great 👍 thanks for the video ..
Stephen Carpenter Ltd's are sick I love that Tele sig model
wow amazing sounds and good comparison , those guitars added to my wish list. I love the look of schecter Damien platinum
The chugs on the m80m is massive
The m80m sounds the best. I have the Schecter Banshee Mach 7 FR S with lundgren pickups. They are great for those low tones. I used to have the Ibanez RG8 with the Tosin Abasi pickups installed. It sounded beautiful. I bought the RG9 and the stock pickups and 5 way toggle made it really shine. I also had the RGA9 with EMG 909s installed. I loved the Meshuggah style bridge it came with. It's great for tuning stability. Anyway, I've rambled on too long. I think I'd go with the Ibanez m80m OR Schecter 9 string. Great video! Take care, Sam.
You are working hard on this channel. Awesome. Keep it up. I enjoy every video of yours :)
Hi John, I have the same SC608B as you. Amazing and great sounding guitar. Thank you for review!
Schecter Damien was my favorite, followed by Ibanez Meshuggah. ⬇🧵
Awesome comparison! Thanks! I like the M80M and the Schecter best.
That schecter is absolutely brutal i agree ihave 707 emg i love the clarity on it and good sounding
I really liked how the chords sounded on the iron label outside of the mix.
Man that M80 sounds amazing. The SC dont sound too bad either, but the M80 stands head and shoulders above the others. That first note you hit on the SC though immediately put me in mind of Yiuve Seen the Butcher so theyve done a good job capturing his tone with that guitar for sure
Btw: is that shirt a Japanese version of Metallica's Load???
I got that shirt as a gift, but I love it!
Do you record bands/artists? Is that how you make a living? Or is all this gear personal collection? I figured since the channel is called “studio”. Love the videos.
I do stuff alongside the YT videos like mixing, reamping and media creation. And thanks! :)
What did you do to get rid of the bats on the schecter
If you told me you were primarily a 8 / 9 string player id totally believe that🤘 you sound very natural playing them
Absolutely killer video. So valuable. Had me wondering what my Damien Platinum 9 would sound like with a Lundgren m9 pick-up set...
At the riff at 8:10 you can clearly hear that signature Deftones guitar sound at the higher harmonics, at the 8:40 riff you can also hear the Meshuggah sound at the dampened pickings. I like the fact that these are all the same rig, and only differing in the guitars, but they sound so different as they just sit in their own way in the mix and making it sound a bit more like the actual band where they come from
Great comparison vid and awesome riffage going here, buddy! What guitar distortion pedal and amp modeller would you recommend for a detuned 8-string guitar?
Holy crap the Ibanez with Lundgrens sounded sick. Tone quality of these 4 are very solid and close to each other to be honest 👍🏻👍🏻
Ltd all the way . But that's just a thing with me I always prefer shorter sound. 24.75 for drop d or c 25m5 for drop b or a etc. I don't really get why people like sound of a baritone (for the tuning if you know what I mean)
These sort of things always come down to personal preference at the end of the day. There's absolutely nothing wrong or incorrect about liking the generally darker and less defined(?) sound of low tunings on shorter scale lengths. Also, depending on what kind of music you're playing, that kind of tone would even be preferable. I'm more into the baritone sound myself, but I've heard plenty of great bands/songs that use shorter lengths for low tunings and they wouldn't sound the same to me with a baritone.
Great video! Thanks for making this. I’ve been curious about longer scale necks for 8-strings. The 7th and 8th just feel a little too loose for me. During tuning they always just seem to be all over the place too
Comparisons of extended-scale guitars need to factor in lead playing. I know you said you’re not a lead player, but that’s precisely the area in which extended-range guitars become a problem - not just with regards to playability (due to the increased string tension making bends harder), but also with regards to sound:
High notes on high strings, when they are under higher tension due to the extended scale length, sound a lot shriekier than on a 6-string or other guitar with a standard scale length. I learned this the hard way with my Schecter Hellraiser C-8 FR. It’s one of the reasons why multiscale guitars were invented. Then again, those can’t have Floyd Roses - at least, I’ve never seen one on a multiscale guitar.
This videos are really really nice! Can you do a review on the new Legato N9 sometime? I wanna get one, but I don't know what to expect from it.
this is pleasantly brutal!!! I love the ESP LTD..... and very good Music too!!!
Cheers mate!
@@SonicDriveStudio although…. The articulated sound of the ibanez is complicating my choice…..
This is a drool worthy collection sir.
Good stuff, and good riffs, brother.
Eesh, that Ibanez 9, though....the pickup definition is pretty sweet, too.....
Me, an amateur 6 sttring guitar player successeffuly stopping myself from purchasing a 7 string guitar online and closing that tab.
Immediately after, TH-cam algorythm:
8 & 9-String Guitar Comparison! (Ibanez, Schecter & LTD)
Thaaaaaanks
carpenter for the 8th strings and the Schacter for the 9s. both are just so clear !
my vote.ANYWAY
Very thorough and helpful indeed, thanks! But how does the high E string feel, especially with that 30" scale length?
I would probably guess it feels like you’re playing 13s on that high e, I’ve had 13s on my high e 6 string guitar and it sounds killer, but it also feels killer on the finger tips, hurts until you kinda get used to it.
Awesome guitar's! Man,if you ever get a chance. You reallyneedto try out an Aglie from rondo. Their 8 strings are killer.
The LTD was a real surprise tbh, I was leaning more towards the M80 before the comparison
I absolutely adore the sound of that Schecter
Ibanez M80 for my ears... which really is saying I like the sound of that pickup best.
Definitely more dynamic. I also like the actives though, they're more even sounding.
@@SonicDriveStudio Yeah thats true. Using different amps / bits of gear I find they (actives) also sound good without mucking around too much if that makes sense
Lundgren pickups sounded best hands down. Schecter was best out of the actives.
Schetcer is absolutely the best! Even with muddy EMGs it does sound articulate with expressive mids and tight end. Even better than Ibanez M80. I'm curious to hear how this beast would be sounding with Lundgren or Lace pickup. I would rather buy this black thing instead of my Agile 930.
Great video. Have you tried the "official" 24v mod for your 808's and 909's? Removes a bit of that over-compressed sound EMG is plagued by, and increases pick attack and overall feel. Those 909's sounded pretty dope in that 9 of yours already though!
I put one in my 30" Agile 9 and was really surprised... it had the clarity of a Fishman, but the sound of an EMG. Instantly bought a few more for all my 808's and 909's.
I haven't tried that. Might do it some day but I like how EMGs sound tbh
Definitely dig the Meshuggah guitar and Schecter the most. They really cut through. I got a cheaper Schecter Demon-8. I’m not sure how I feel about it yet. Probably could use a pickup upgrade from the active Schecter branded ones.
That Schecter is fucking tasty bro. No surprises though I've never really heard or played an extended range model from them I didn't like.
its weird they all sound pretty close..but something about the LTD just rings out and sounds sexy. Fat riffs as always, thanks for sharing.
M80M and Schecter sound the best in my opinion.
m80m hands down, but the Schecter slaps too
I found the test very cool, LTD I honestly thought the worst of the test followed by the ibanez RGIR9FME, I think that if this bridge is replaced by a Hipshot the thing will improve substantially.
The M80M has no comparison and is a champion even without doing tests with it but the icing on the cake of this test was the Schecter Damien Platinum, it was by far the best sound ever!
I would probably love the Ibanez, but that Lundgren has a low-mid frequency that I don’t like at all. The SC608 hands down!!
LTD is my favourite for this kind of guitars, maybe because the scale. The others have a sound more like the classic 30" baritones, bass VI etc. And maybe in that range I prefer the single coil 'grnly' sound of these baritones.
Shortest scale sounds heaviest and thumpiest, while longer sounds more melodic and clear. Interesting!
Wood type and construction are around 0.2% considering that solidbody electric guitars work off of magnetics and wood isn't magnetic. That said, the Ibanez and the Stephen Carpenter sig are probably the 2 best sounding out of this video
Great demo! The Jackson and Ibanez are definitely my least favorite sounding of the bunch.
When it comes to extended range something that doesn't get nearly enough attention is bridge pickup placement. In fact I think it is one of the most important things to look for as the pickup can always be changed the route location cannot. The closer it is to the bridge the tighter that sound is. If you want an 8 or 9 string and you see the bridge pickup is a suspect distance from the bridge like that ibanez 9 string steer clear.
If anyone is looking for an 8 string guitar recommendation I would say check out the ignition series from Jericho guitars. My fusion ignition 8 cost me 750 at the time and it sounds miles better than any other 8 I've owned/ played. I've had 4 Ibanez 8 strings between the prestige and premium lines and they don't come close.
True, that also plays a part!
I bought an Ignition 8. I got a dud. Nut was filed way too low on the D & G strings. The neck pocket also wasn't routed flush (there was a lip on the front that angled the neck forward). Yeah, i fixed it, but damn. Can't say I'd ever buy a Jericho again.
@@RyRyTheBassGuy that's a bummer I know several people who have bought them on my recommendation and have only heard stellar things. Did you reach out to their customer service? Really nice people
@@jacobhalsey1393 I did, but they wanted me to pay the return shipping. I like the guitar now that I fixed the problems.
The Ltd is ok for C#? I have a 27inch LTD SC-607 in F#, and I think it sounds great... but maybe C# is to low for the 27inch SC-608
So why do people hate those Gibraltar II bridges?
im surprised that i actually didnt like the m80m much! the schecter was my fave!
Ever tried the DR Dragon Skin strings? Not a huge fan of them being black, but I think they feel better than Elixers.
how did u get rid of the bats? great video btw.
I have a 30” scale guitar and I use 125 for a low c
I'm confused about the bat inlays, where did they go?
LTD carpenter signature for me sounded really heavy at 11:48.
how did you get the bats away from the schecter? Love it looks!
Wow, those palm mutes on the LTD.
Ibanez M80M in my opinion sounded the best, but since it's just one pick it is no as a buy for me.
I've got the 8-string version of that Damien 9, and I can't ever for the life of me get the pickups sounding that clear. Anything you've done to them by any chance? Just the difference between 808s and 909s?
IMO both 8 strings sounded better. More clarity all over the fretboard. Could be the really nice pickups in them though.
I wish any of these would be avail. for lefties :(
Sick!
Damn, that M80M slaps hard, I've always loved it. How does the 29.4 inch scale feel on the high strings on standard tuning, though? Is the tension ok, or is it getting difficult to bend and stuff?
It's a little tight but very doable
M80M is the best. I’m at a point where I can’t play an 8 string anymore unless it has a long scale length and a Lundgren.
the schecter definitely brings out that lowest note better than the ibanez
Hurts me to say this as an Ibanez guy
But the Schecter 9 string sounds the best hands down
LTD is best here because those chords sounded so full and rich. Right after that come the Ibanez in my ears and both Ibanez sounded similar. I dont like the schecter cause it sounds so nasal and metallic here and I even play a schecter lol but 6 String.
That's the 30 inch scale length
M80M was my favourite 🤘
Nice shirt!
Schecter 9 with no bats how'd you get that? Badass!
I made a video about that actually
Fushmans sound as always very mid focused which is very not heavy if you want to okay something djent oriented. True classic is M80M but not with this setup. Schecter sounded really nice too.
Schecter for the win for me 😍
It has a really clear and punchy tone for sure. Amazing guitar!
@@SonicDriveStudio it is 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Liked the esp Ltd 👍
that Meshuggah guitar OOOOOF
Just came to say the Steph Carpenter sig and the Meshuggah Ibby are the best, no need to watch the whole thing to know it hahaha
Brutal! It's all about the dissonance.
The M80M slaps, nothing compares
Also, would love a video on how you restring and maintain your m80m. Aren’t any videos out there and yours are definitely the best sounding :)
The Schecter and Ibanez were the clear winners imo. Maybe it’s because they didn’t have that bouncey “djenty” pitch drift that irks me haha
Does the M80 have a tremelo bridge? Good sounding guitar but hardtail or die.
It's not a floating bridge. Just a hardtail locking bridge
Hello, I´ve a question, How can I send you a pedal for you to test it? it is posible? thanks
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I have this weird fantasy that I'd be up on stage performing with one of these 4, but with pop songs or something light hearted.
I guess I find the dichotomy interesting.
So now I'm shopping around for an m80m hahaha.
I heard Steph say in a video that he wasn't pleased with the Fishmans bc of how they were dialed in. Something about being done over the phone, maybe? I hope he one day gets to make the ones he is actually pleased with, bc that "Dorothy" is gorgeous.
The active mode on the Stef Fishmans is really good honestly
That's weird because I could've swore I watched a video of Steph talking about being there in person with the guys from Fishman to dial in the EQ for his pickups. It just seems like a weird thing to quite literally "phone it in" with the tone of something like your own signature pickups.
@@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE I agree, but I don't claim to have all the details. I'll look for it again, as I'm pretty sure it was at Namm or whatever.
@@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE th-cam.com/video/PZwahqc3ssM/w-d-xo.html
Ah, OK. So they were in his bedroom I guess. Which he admits wasn't the best for sound quality.
@@CFChristian Oh I definitely don't either and, funny enough, I think the video I'm talking about is from NAMM. Maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly. It's been quite a while since I watched it.
I liked the sound of RGIR9FME the most, but Damien Platinum looks the coolest.
And I like the sound of the ninth string better on Damien. But I like the sound of thin strings better on the M80M.
It's so hard to choose. How to merge these guitars together. :D
I wanted to buy the Damien but in their website it's available with the bats as frets marks which I find looks ridicolous lol. How did this guy remove the bats?
@@Thadnill
He probably ordered a guitar without bats. Maybe it's possible.
The bats are a kind of reference to PRS guitars, I think.
th-cam.com/video/2uC16sUUDd4/w-d-xo.html
@@SonicDriveStudio
Thanks. 👍
@@SonicDriveStudio
I made it in 2005 from self-adhesive film for furniture. :D
7 string = push
8 string = balance
9 string = deep
Good test! But honestly, I didn't hear a darn bit of difference.
Listen on good speakers or headphones! Some people will hear the differences as subtle though, and thats fine!
@@SonicDriveStudio Oh, I was - HD600, plugged into a Fiio E-10. I'll give it another listen on other equipment later.
ESP GUITAR IS THE BEST!!!
Look for a multiscale.