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Lake Compounce Closing Wildcat in 2023 for Major Refurbishment | What's Happening?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- Wildcat at Lake Compounce is infamous for being one of the roughest wood coasters in the amusement park industry. But hope is on the horizon! Today, Lake Compounce announced Wildcat would be closed for the entire 2023 season for a major refurbishment. But what's happening? In this video, I explore the options and share what's most likely.
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Time for the historic coaster foundation to absolutely loose their minds
LOL yup
How DARE you ruin the greatest wooden rollercoaster of all time. Not the only wooden rollercoaster built in 1927 with a height of 85 feet!
@@jayminyoel7911 funny
I’m a history person and I honestly say burn this thing. It’s unrideable. 😅
@@ninjagirl226 fair
Boulder dash needs some work too. It was really rough. So much potential too because of its layout and it’s intensity
Agreed. Maybe my tolerance for this is just lower than our host's but I thought it was getting too rough to really enjoy last summer. I found myself liking Phobia Phear Coaster more, and there's just something morally wrong about that situation. A fixed Boulder Dash would become one of the world's greatest coasters again.
Oh hell no. The roughness makes it great.
@@coasternamegenerator5611 Ten years ago, it was rough enough to be fun. Now it's just getting unpleasant.
@@MattMcIrvin Wildcat yea, it’s awful. Boulder dash got a retract not too long ago and it ran beautifully then. I rode all the way in the back, about 3 years or so, and it was fine. Granted yea, it could be rough as balls now. It was fine then tho.
I still love it up front, but it gets shaky as you move back.
I also agree that this project won’t be RMC. It’s an old classic layout and hopefully they are able to refurbish it and finally get it running smoothly.
I also don’t think the old structure or footers could support an rmc convert.
I highly doubt RMC even though that's what I'd want.
@@CanobieCoaster We will have to agree to disagree. I can not ride coasters with loops. corkscrews, inversions etc. It's a medical thing. But can ride wooden coasters like the Wildcat (when it was smoother for a short while and Kennywood wooden coasters). You like the converted coasters and that's OK. But must they all be converted? Leave some for the rest of us.
This is amazing news. Wildcat at Lake Compounce is one of the very few one-and-done coasters for me. Fingers crossed that the park is able to turn this classic ride into an exciting and, more importantly, re-rideable attraction 🙏
I just want it to be rideable at last.
I think Gravity Group' engineered precut track would also be a great fit. I also see some low-stress areas being straight wood, while more troublesome sections are titan track
Yeah, my favorite possibility would be to have Gravity Group completely rebuild it as a woodie. They could do it justice! Hell, give 'em Boulder Dash too!
That would help too.
You were right!!!
Can say with confidence it's GCI Titan Track. At IAAPA there were bids put in for Boulder Dash to get a partial install and Wildcat to get a full install. Looks like they are going through with the Wildcat bid.
I heard that rumor too. It's possible they do work on Boulder Dash too, but that may be able to be done quicker if it isn't the whole ride.
@@CanobieCoaster yeah I know they are in and out really fast with the partial installs. They got Predator done last season really fast. Not sure what the status of this seasons install is (on Predator)
I'm completely against it. It should stay wood. It's a historic ride and at one point was a great ride. It's only after the retrack that it became a rough mess. They just need to fix what they damaged when they did the retrack.
@@askjeevescosby2928 looks like it's a little late for all of that. Mine as well just roll with it.
They already announced RMC
I think Compounce loves what Wildcat contributes to the park's aesthetics, especially in the "first look" after you walk through the tunnel, so I can't see them drastically changing how the coaster looks. Titan Track or 208 ReTraK would be a perfect fit here.
It does look amazing as you enter the park.
I honestly wonder if the Dinn corporation messed up with the foundation work or something (they completely rebuilt it from the ground up), because if a wooden coaster is fully retracked that much, then it shouldn’t be as rough as it is, that hill after the first fan curve shouldn’t be as brutal as it is.
It's possible that job was butchered in some way.
Yeah, I'm wondering if it really needs more than just a retrack, if there's something wrong with the structure.
The Dinn Corporation wrecked Wildcat when they first retracked it back in 1985. Their horrible job with the ride is what made the transitions and layout so rough.
Hoping that this is a Titan Track makeover.
I'm wondering if it's an issue with the support structure, in which case something more than a mere retrack is needed (new diagonal bracing?)
That would make sense why it has always been bad when I've ridden it.
I can add Wildcat ran rough in the early 1980s too. Fun, but rough. It’s been closed every time we have visited the last several years so a new and improved 2024 date is good.
I hope it finally runs smooth.
Another option is RMC's 208 ReTraK, which is their answer to GCII's Titan Track. That would pretty much preserve the current layout and also allow them to use the current trains. I like Gravity Group's Precut Engineered Track to keep the old wood coasters wood. In the end, the rumors are probably true and it will get GCII's Titan Track with no changes to the layout. However, with Boulder Dash being so much younger, might they try a more intense element or 2 on it?
True, that is an option as well.
I love the red button meme format in the thumbnail lol
I couldn't resist.
Rode this last summer, was super rough, I do think a full gci retrack would be perfect, as it will keep the layout the same, likely with a few small profiling changes, and make the coaster worthwhile riding. I think the layout is great for the time it was built, and it still can hold up today as a mild thrill coaster, and would fit the park perfectly. I also do see an RMC in the park's future, but it would be a custom raptor over the lake.
I want an RMC but I think it's doubtful here.
@@CanobieCoaster Raptor or wildcat conversion?
It’s Titan Track. I was personally told by Dean Morgan at IAAPA that it was in talks for a total Titan Track retracking with some patch work on Boulder Dash
Awesome!
I think that if we think of Wildcat not as a 1920s PTC, but as a 1980s Dinn Corporation coaster, its situation becomes easier to understand.
I confess that despite multiple visits to Compounce at which I have enjoyed all the other adult coasters there, I have never ridden Wildcat... because I've read everything everyone has ever said about Wildcat, and whenever I go, I realize that the cred isn't worth it and go ride something else. Maybe that will change.
It's true that it might as well count as a Dinn at this point given they rebuilt it in full.
Thinking what this means as someone from PGH. Its a good sign, I think palace is really been pushing to improve their parks after letting them coast for a while. That said, I'm wondering two things. If this is successful, will a similar thing happen to kennywood coasters in a few years? Two, Palace likes their package deals, like we've seen them do with zamperla and S&S, I wonder if a coaster is part of this deal, too. If so, maybe castle park will get a family woodie.
Kennywood takes good care of their woodies, so something like this wouldn't be needed.
I think the titan track is the most likely option. This is the roughest coaster I’ve ridden, and really think it needs A LOT of work!
I think Titan Track is likely.
If Lake Compounce had tested Titan Track for the 2022 season, the plan was that Boulder Dash would have some small sections of Titan Track while Wildcat would get a complete conversion with Titan Track. You would say:
The full Titan Track would be a perfect introductory for Wildcat and it would make Wildcat rideable after years of being...
A) One of the tamest wooden coasters in the world
B) One of the weakest wooden coasters in the world
C) One of the most painful wooden coasters in the world
D) One of the most intense wooden coasters in the world
C
Wow, you uploaded this quick!
Thanks!
dude imagine boulder dash got a treatment with gravity group. The air time hills near the end of the ride would be so crazy
Boulder Dash got some titan track on the first drop.
Imagine both wooden coasters at Lake Compounce getting titan track, planning and suggesting that Boulder Dash would have...
A) A complete conversion on titan track
B) Some sections of titan track
Boulder Dash got some on the first drop and subsequent turn this year.
May 25, my school is going there for a field trip. Forward to seeing you all!
Enjoy!
Thank God!! It wouldn't be bad if it could be smoothed out.
This should finally fix it.
Love the thumbnail
I couldn't resist the meme.
It's already confirmed they're putting GCI tracks on it and bolder dashes too. Boulder dash is open for the season but the drop hill already got GCI tracks on them.
Excited to see how the work turns out.
Just because no park on Earth has ever hired RMC to replace a wood track with their Iron Horse track WITHOUT changing elevations and adding a bunch of reverse double chili dip flips and the world's tallest and longest jelly roll.......doesn't mean that RMC wouldn't be great at taking an aged and rough old timey wooden coaster and making it slick as snot on a glass doorknob.
That is true. It's possible.
Isn't another option RMC's 208 ReTracK? That presumably would preserve the original layout while greatly improving the experience. Come to think of it has RMC sold their Titan Track competitor to any parks yet?
Don't the woodies at Silverwood have it?
True, that could be another option. But I still lean towards GCI.
The Wildcat at Hersheypark got an RMC hybrid reboot on Friday!
Yes it did.
This would be cool, and a good excuse to visit Lake Compounce and Six Flags NE in 2024.
Boulder Dash, Superman, and Wicked Cyclone are the main reasons for coaster enthusiasts to come this way.
I’ve ridden some Titan Track and it’s great! This ride really needs some help. I’d be ok with a wooden prefab retrace as well. I don’t think an RMC conversion is the way to go for older woodies.
I doubt the RMC is happening given what the park said in the message.
Doesn't GCI also have another prefab wood track system? I could have sworn I saw something about how they were laminating the track in a vertical arrangement instead of horizontal build up....
I thought the one you're referring to is Gravity Group.
My money is on a GCI retracking. I have to wonder why they hired GCI to give Millennium Flyers but not also retrack it. That just doesn't make any sense.
I was surprised by that choice too.
If the put a titan track on Boulder Dash’s drop, they have to do the same for Wildcat.
The rumor is Wildcat getting a full Titan Track treatment.
I had a feeling it was going to be gravity group because of the coasters age, I can't wait to try it! I wonder what this coaster will feel like being somewhat smooth?
I hope it is finally smooth after this.
In the case of the Titan Track option, a plan was that Boulder Dash would have some small sections of Titan Track and Wildcat would get a complete conversion with Titan Track, why do you think?
A) Because Wildcat had a smaller track that did not fit the skyline, so Titan Track would fit better
B) Because Wildcat had to be modified to reach a faster top speed
C) Because Wildcat had a retrack from Martin & Vleminckx for the 2017 season, but it ended poorly
D) The reason was unknown
C
Thank goodness
I know!
For the 2023 season, Wildcat at Lake Compounce was closed for a refurbishment that would have three possible options:
The option three would you like or would you love, a Titan Track conversion?
I'd like an RMC Iron Horse conversion best, but I doubt it happens.
Complete conversion with titan track is because Wildcat made a retrack for the 2017 season, but that retrack...
Made it rougher.
OMG NO NOT WILDCAT. I had so much fun memories on that ride. My next visit won’t be the same without Wildcat. I will miss the bruises and instant regret I had on it. But if it is going to be better then I am all for it. I hope this will go fast.
It should be smoother after this.
I'm guessing it will be the Gravity Group, using their precut track like on the Beast, Racer and Grizzly.
I'm leaning GCI.
@@CanobieCoaster I appreciate that.
Love the meme. Personally hope that this 1985 Dinn woodie get’s RMC’d, but it with the wording it seems like nothing more than Tonnerre 2 Zeus
I think it's getting Titan Track. Boulder Dash opened with some this year already.
I don’t see why they can’t just get it smooth with wood track. That would be my preference.
Steel would require less maintenance in the longrun so I get why they may go that route.
Reallly really wish they would just do a fullRMC to it.. it would redid the park, jump up attendance, and show the park keeps its foot in its history while looking towards the future
I'd like the RMC conversion, but I suspect they want to preserve the layout given the post and the ride's history.
Throughout the history, Wildcat have been retracked. In the 1980s, Din Corporation rebuilt the entire structure In the late 1990s, the ride was fully retracked. Then in 2017, they had another full retrack. This time a modern retrack from Martin & Vleminckx. So what do you think about the ride with the 2017 retrack? What do you think about the retrack work done for the 2017 season?
It was awful and rough.
It sucks that so many people want RMC. I think it’s amazing Lake Compounce wants to keep preserving a classic despite all the hate of this ride through the years. It definitely deserves a refurbishment, but I think it would be best for a standard wood retrack by GCI or Gravity Group. It will ride smoother and possibly faster, but it won’t give up its status as a classic woodie. With Titan Track it can’t be a classic woodie anymore.
I'm all for parks preserving wood coasters if the layout is good, but this one is pretty bad. But the most important thing is for this ride to finally be smooth.
Its noisy we have it here in efteling but its smooth still with a wooden feel. Doesn't have to be a fool titan trach though the new wooden tracks one of the 2 also got is great.
I just want the ride to be smooth at long last.
@@CanobieCoaster It cetrainly is smooth the new hard wood they have and in the bumpier sections Titan track works as a charm. (i meant to say Full not Fool sorry about that).
Agreed. The 2017 so-called refurbishment was a complete joke. The ride still ran like hit trash. Dinnn never could make his turns like the original ride had. His ultimate failure was the Raging Wolf Bobs!
I hope this makes it smooth at long last.
and Wildcat...
A) A complete conversion on titan track
B) Some sections with titan track
A
Titan Track is the way to go. Wolverine Wildcat was feral, now she is a beauty.
Awesome!
Gotta replace those millennium flyers with ptc buzz bar trains again.
Nah, bring back the original PTC trains with no restrain other than a grab bar.
@Tom L better yet throw a set of roller skates on and send em on their way
I wish, but I doubt that happens.
@CanobieCoaster I really think gravity group is going to do wonders for this ride. It has so much potential. And since it's not just getting retracked but is going to be reprofiled this may go from being one of the worst woodies to being a mid tier. You know gravity group is going to steepen the drop, lower the airtime hills.
I think wildcat deserves more TLC so that it can be just as smooth as it opened back in 1927.
Honestly, I think this ride wasn’t built with airtime in mind since I’m not too sure if anyone knows ore thought what airtime is back then.
That's fair about the airtime, but some other rides from that time period have it like Cyclone.
It was confirmed to be GCI Titan Track at IAAPA
Fantastic!
Was going to be again refurbished but it had been retracked with new track
Wildcat is getting Titan Track.
Hopefully, it's Titan Track. If it is, then hopefully it'll only be a few years later until Boulder Dash gets a couple of sections turned to Titan Track.
I would like them to do Boulder Dash in small patches so it doesn't need to stay closed for a season.
I don't think an RMC fits a coaster this old at all. I don't know if any that currently run are almost 100 years old, but that just seems disrespectful unless there is no other viable option. Plus from the little I know about compounce, they aren't trying to be a cedar fair or six flags park. These small, historic family style parks are a dyeing breed and I think they are worth preserving as much as possible. Having lost the one I had growing up because they tried to make something it wasn't, that is not a fun thing to see happen to somewhere that can mean so much to someone...But I would still want to go ride it if they did RMC, just to be clear.
It would be their oldest ride by far if they touched it.
My hope and Beg is that they bring RMC in to renovate the coaster it need it badly from what I’ve seen on POV videos
I wish, but I'm guessing it'll just be a full retrack.
@@CanobieCoaster maybe we’ll just have to wait and see
Are they replacing the track with pieces that haven't been warped in the dishwasher?
Lol hopefully.
I rode Wildcat back in summer of 2022 and I was really uncomfortable I think they should RMC it or Steel by GCI
I'm thinking Titan Track.
Titan track makes a lot of sense. I hope that whatever it is makes it an enjoyable coaster to ride. I had wondered if it was running unusually bad for me in 2019, but from reports, I think it was actually running good (by its standards). It was still terrible and not worth the massive line, except to just get the credit and never ride it again.
I just want it to finally be smooth.
RMC option is NOT going to happen! I truly believe they will go with the GCI retrack treatment.
I suspect GCI will get it too.
Which change would you like more for Wildcat at Lake Compounce?
I'd want the RMC, but it's very doubtful.
I work there and love the cat, first car is the best ride all other cars hurt bad lol I would love to see option 3 happen
I just want it to be smooth at last.
What do you think about the Martin & Vlemmick 2017 retrack?
Didn't work out well for the ride.
Could be Titan Track. Wish the same could be said for Minebuster and Wildebeast.
That would be great for Wilde Beast.
In my prediction due to the park history m, Wildcat at Lake Compounce should due the Titan track.
I suspect that's what will happen.
I doubt it will be RMC and would be very happy with titan track
I doubt it will be RMC too.
What means "I doubt Lake Compounce would use Martin & Vleminckx"?
They were the ones who retracked Wildcat last time when it turned out poorly.
I still feel the jackhammering on this coaster from a 2021 visit. I love history but this “ride” could go and I probably wouldn’t care. It can’t get much worse.
Now I will say the only way to ride this ride is front row with no one else in the train. It was decently smooth that way.
I just want it to be rideable at long last.
Well they got gravity group to retrack it, so - I hope they don't make the same mistake with Boulderdash. This needs titan track, that's the only cure. And Boulderdash must always remain a pure woodie with trackwork from GCI when needed. Edit, I didn't realise it was M&V that did it. My bad, thanks for that info. I have found GG coasters to be rough often even when new though. For me the pick is GCI.
Some Gravity Groups are smooth. Others shake a lot.
@@CanobieCoaster Leviathan is brand new here at Seaworld and is already shaky. So.. I have never experienced this with a GCI. It seems multiple people were involved though, GG, GravityKraft and to what extent M&V I don't know, but their name is there.
Hades 360 at Mt Olympus and Hell Cat at Clementon Park were not in your video of 25 worst roller coasters in the world (2020), but Wildcat at Lake Compounce was. Why?
Wildcat is rough in all seats and has a bad layout.
I see a GCI retrack with Titan Track in some of the more high-stress places.
RMC'ing the thing is out of the question, given what happened to Blue Streak destroying another historic wooden coaster is a bad idea to say the least. I'm sure that there would be SEVERE BACKLASH to such a thing.
I also feel this might apply to a complete Titan Track conversation as well, this is why I go with the GCI retrack with some Titan Track. It improves the ride, while not completely removing the wood track.
I think locals just want a smooth ride since this has been notoriously rough for years.
I want GC, but if Titan track comes in, and they do a full retrack with it, it's not a woodie anymore. A part of me thinks it's still going to be a woodie, but I wouldn't be surprised on some of the higher stress parts of Wildcat if they threw Titan track in.
I just want the ride to be smooth at long last.
@@CanobieCoaster I don't blame you, m'dude.
If they fuck it up again I would think this coaster is cursed and haunted
I have to think this will fix it.
The time Wildcat was painful was the first time you rode it or when, because of which change or modification it became painful?
It got worse after the 2017 retrack, but it was never a good ride.
Nice thumbnail
Thanks!
In how many sections would you like titan track in boulder dash and how many in wildcat?
Wildcat needs it everywhere. For Boulder Dash, it depends if the speed will stay the same.
The rmc is gonna be sick
They can make magic, but I doubt they'll get this coaster.
I suspect the poor results of the previous refurb are the fault of the trains. Not Martin&Vlemix. The fact that the new trains have tighter restraints than the old ones results in the shimying being more uncomfortable. I have also heard differing reports about how much trackwork was actually done. As for what to do about it, if Lake Compounce wanted to respect the ride's history they never would've gotten rid of the buzbars. I suspect this refurb may bring back the old trains, as well as potentially testing the Millenium Flyers on Boulder Dash (can't imagine it would detract from the ride experience being that its PTCs aren't buzbars). Just my thoughts.
I agree the tighter restraints would accentuate any bump.
@@CanobieCoaster The best illustration of it I see is "imagine if Leap The Dips had the lapbars of Millenium Flyers". The elements we LOVE as enthusiasts we might start hating. I hope I'm right about them returning the old trains with buzbars, as that would at least somewhat allow the ride to be experienced closer to its design and would also make it a much better ride. I remember in a video about the previous refurb it was stated that they got rid of the old trains because they were completely mechanical (ie no computer verification of bars being down for dispatch). Taking a year may be required to change that over.
I'll add what I do know. The track gauge on Millennium flyers and PTC trains are different. If you watch a POV closely you'll see the track is all over the place, sometimes to the right, sometimes to the left. My theory is the calculation of the centerline is off. I also remember someone asking about why we didn't see more Millennium Flyers on other coasters during the rehab of G-Rider at Knott's. GCI said something like it didn't work out well in the past without a full re-track. Which I think they were referring to this Wildcat and Hershey's Wildcat which both suffered from roughness albeit to varying degrees. GCI now has Infinity Flyers which is the same track gauge as PTC, they first used those on Roller Coaster at Lagoon which hasn't suffered from the same problems. So what I think GCI is going to do is run calculations on the entire ride then reprofile / retrack it properly and it'll be fine. Who knows if it'll be wood or Titan but either way I think it'll turn out great.
I agree that they won't do an RMC treatment--it's too radical for a 1924 coaster, and frankly pointless if you're trying to maintain a historical look and ride. The other two options are probably almost equal. I trust both Gravity Group and GCI. Cost is usually the bottom line in business.
I agree with your point on the RMC even if it would be an objectively better ride.
@@CanobieCoaster "Objectively better" is very subjective. For many people who aren't thrill seekers, RMC's coasters can be too intense--I wish RMC would make more family-friendly layouts. Gravity Group is an expert at this mixed audience, and their trains are very comfortable. Personally, I'm a fan of older wooden coasters. RMC'ing every old coaster in sight is not my idea of progress.
Imagine if gravity group comes in and retracks it
They make rides very smooth, especially with their precut track.
@@CanobieCoaster yea
Why was it going to be closed for refurbishments?
It's getting an extensive overhaul.
Did you like all retrackings you've seen in roller coasters in the world, including Wildcat in 2017?
I liked most, but not that one.
Did you like all retracks you've seen in coasters in the world?
Most of them.
I'm guessing #2.
Possibly!
My guess:
Tit track
+ I agree with the guy who said bring back the buzz bars 😔
I just want the ride smooth for once.
I personally liked it. At least I could ride this coaster. I went to great adventure to ride EL TORO same year, and apparently I was toooo fat for the ride. Did the walk of shame since I was sitting in the front row seat technically.. Weird to think I was able to ride this ride, but something so massive as El Toro I was told I was to big for the seat. 😪😪😪😪😪 I haven't been back to great adventure since lol.. maybe a year after, but I was nervous to try El toro again..
El Toro is notoriously one of the most restrictive coasters out there.
What's the first time you rode Wildcat?
2001
What do you think about Wildcat with your dad?
he liked the ride, he loved the ride, or he hated the ride
He hated it more than me.
I hope I don't have to hear rmc wildcat again
I would love for it to happen, but it's extremely doubtful.
I just feel like it will lose it's fun without the rough and bumpy part of wildcat it's just a very slow and boring ride
I would prefer it smooth.
Again
Yup, again.
Rmc rmc rmc rmc rmc rmc rmc rmc rmc rmc
I wish, but doubt it.
@@CanobieCoaster same ha. New England still needs a launch coaster tho 👀
it was terrible
It's better now.