@@integratyper5137he would’ve played one more season in Cleveland, and you would’ve been calling for him to be cut or traded. The highs of the mayfield era were fun, but there’s a lot of revisionist history going on when people try and pretend he isn’t just Ryan Fitzpatrick 2
A lot of younger people aren't even aware that the original Cleveland Browns moved and became the Baltimore Ravens and then shortly after won their 1st of two Superbowls. That's gotta sting even worse.
Don’t act like they moved the owner was a terrible businessman and the only reason he was able to even move the team was because he had a few connections in Baltimore
You mentioned the browns missing the chance to draft Big Ben in 2004 but you left out the best part. Not only did he go to their hated rival the Steelers but he also won 2 superbowls and until Baker Mayfield had the most wins of any quarterback in the browns stadium. He absolutely tortured browns fans for almost two decades
So my mom’s sister married a Clevelander about 30 years ago, so not inly did she and her kids have to experience this exercise in misery, but my uncle actually worked in the law firm that Art Modell used to move the team. That’s something he will never get over, even if he lives to see a Browns Super Bowl
Ever since the rookie wage scale these teams are quick to dump a developing quarterback. You can take a QB in round one every year if you want. Yeah a lot of guys will get stepped over but it is a way better situation than being stuck with a subpar QB because of the salary cap. Perfect examples are 2004 Roethlisberger and 2005 Rodgers. Oakland wanted Rodgers but was stuck with Kerry Collins and his contract. Not to pick on Collins, I was always a fan. Even at Penn State.
As someone who has liven in Cleveland for all my 23 years of life. Although this entire video was incredibly well done, I despise your existence for reminding me just how disappointing our entire organization is….
Meh post '99 wasn't so good, but plenty of old history to be proud of. And TBH, you can actually be pretty proud of the continuity that this team actually has now. Trust in AB.
The Browns did have a franchise QB, and they completely ruined his confidence, rushed him back from injury, gave him four head coaches in four seasons, and then dumped him for Deshaun Watson. Baker Mayfield was the best QB that the Browns have had since Bernie Kosar, and they know it. Look at what he did in Tampa Bay last year, he went to a franchise that just saw Tom Brady retire, and he took that team to the playoffs and was within one drive of getting to the NFC Championship Game. If they kept Baker and then drafted Chris Olave and Will Anderson the next year, and found depth on offense and defense without giving up major draft capital they would be legitimate Super Bowl Contenders. Haslam better thank the gods for Andrew Berry or else he'd be getting mocked at even more than he is.
I thought that browns team with Jarvis and Odell with Baker in 2018 or 2019 whichever season was gonna do some big things and then it went all to shit in the Kitchen
Hes writing on a whiteboard for the ENTIRE video with the list of QBs who started for the Browns. Anyone with a working brain can understand what he was going for.
A Greek tragedy. They actually found their guy, but they focused on what he couldn’t do instead of what he actually did, played him injured, scapegoated him, and then swapped him for a serial sex offender.
@@warlordofbritannia too bad he wasn't really a sex offender and women just wanted his money it was never proven many of the women were proven to be lying. Watson did fall off tho i won't lie about that
NFL Network did a Top 10 on worst free agent signings, and they mentioned Jeff Garcia on it. And then someone pointed out after leaving Cleveland, he managed to take Philadelphia and Tampa Bay to the playoffs before remarking, "Bless you, Cleveland, you just have that effect on people."
As a browns fan I was conflicted with emotions upon seeing this notification, however, no words of any language could possibly describe the fear and dread I experienced upon seeing the length of this video, I feel as the patriot fan in their video, but I have no pride, only shame and sadness with the occasional glimmer of hope that persists just long enough to be ripped away in the most painful way possible. I know I will weep in this video
Be positive my friend. We have at least been pretty competitive the past 4-5 years. We have our coach… do we have our Quarterback?? We’ll find out after this next season. If Watson doesn’t stay healthy (or plays terrible), there will be riots in Cleveland lol.
Hey at least people outside of brown fan give a shit about them. If brown pulled off superbowl win non Cleveland fan would be celebrating. Unlike jet no one outside of New York give a shit
Did you know that? The Cleveland Browns have over 40 quarterbacks in the last 20 years since they returned in 1999. That is the same years since the Tom Brady era.
@@bobbysbreakdowns Are you telling me that ONLY three QB's ever started a game for the Packers in 30 years? Most of these "starting" QB's were one game starts for some reason or another.
@@YOSSARIAN313 *No. His friends stabbed the other two guys after them and their enteroge instigated a brawl with Ray Lewis and his then friends that night. Even though it was determined to be self-defense, he lied to try to cover for his two friends (aka "obstruction of justice").*
Me seeing that Seneca Wallace is now like 13 qb's back and then aging 40 years. Me remembering the jersey was originally Tim Couch's and instantly turn to dust.
The team move was a wake-up call for my NFL fandom. On the cusp of 18, it made me grow up and abandon all emotional ties to a football team as an extension of my personality. Watching football without the childish emotions of a favorite team feels good.
As a Browns fan that has been through it since the 80's, I know the pain. The saying, 'There is always next year.' was thrown around a lot through the years but the dedicated Browns fans will always show up for games.
I'm 37 and I've been going to games since I was literally in my moms stomach. She went to games pregnant with me. My grandpa had season tickets since the 60's and we still have them today.
In the '70s, it was the Vikings. In the '80s, the Broncos. In the '90s, the Bills. There haven't been a lot of repeat losers close in time since then-the Patriots lost three times across 11 years, but they also won 6, so that's not really a mark of futility. The 49ers are about the "best" we get in the 32-team, salary-cap era.
I feel for you guys. Kyle Shanahan was my teams OC in the ridiculous 28-3 BS. I do feel a little less pain knowing that at least a small portion of that blown lead can now safely fall on his shoulders.
All three NFL teams who suffered winless seasons had a future Hall of Fame on their roster. '76 Buccaneers: LeRoy Selmon '08 Lions: Calvin Johnson '16 Browns: Joe Thomas Just goes to show you really need more than one good player.
@@RBSmada You're right, it was '17. But, yeah, they went winless even with a Hall of Famer. Football's a tricky game. And yet me getting dates correct is even trickier.
In basketball or hockey, there’s only 5 players in the game at a time. One guy can get hot and carry a team. Baseball, a pitcher can hit the zone and the team can ride him for the next few months. Football….too many different positions requiring too many different skills. It’s hard if not impossible for one player to take over and carry a team.
The amount of greed in this organization is insane, my whole world shattered when I saw that we traded Baker Mayfield. I wanted to give him one more year, he was playing through injury in his last year in Cleveland, and the disrespect our management showed this man out the door by trading for Groper Cleveland....I feel for Baker and I hope that Jimmy Haslem rots in hell
Well, people in Cleveland aren't the only ones who hope Haslam rots in hell. The same can be said for the Milwaukee Bucks. He turned what could have been a dynasty into the biggest organizational gong show in the NBA this year. It was he who fired Budenholzer, then fired his replacement midseason for Doc Rivers, and then traded the entire future, plus Jrue Holiday and Grayson Allen for Damian Lillard, and then gave Dame the same contract he gave Deshaun Watson. If all of this gets Giannis to leave town, Haslam will officially pass David Tepper as the worst owner in sports.
They had a franchise qb in baker but made another terrible decision and traded him for deshaun watson. Now baker is winning more playoff games for a differnt city, and winning pro bowl mvps. And deshaun hasnt done squat in cleveland. Smh
It is wild the two times the new Browns made the playoffs, barely squeaking in, they were both against their division rival. Pittsburgh. They lost one and won one. And while most NFL fans are not Browns fans, every NFL fan would love to see them get to a Super Bowl. Technically the Browns have two rings. The old Browns? The team over in Baltimore? They are the old Browns. When they announced in late 1995 that a new Browns would begin play in 1999, it seemed like a long way off. And as an expansion team and not a relocated team like many thought would happen, we all knew it’d take a while to become anything. And they did improve every year and got to the playoffs in 2002. Their fourth season. Nobody thought they would be so awful for so long. They really were on their way to building something until 2021, then of course they blew it all up. And of course Baker Mayfield is thriving in Tampa Bay. While they are dealing with the baggage Watson brought to town. Joe Flacco is great but he is a bridge quarterback. They are just always such a mess. It’s almost like they’re trying to mess it all up.
When they got going again in 1999 everyone knew it’d be a while before they found their footing. Never imagined that 25 years later they’d still be at square one. And of course the old Browns have been thriving from the jump in Baltimore.
In 2016, duke Johnson, while actively holding the football, gave up a fumble because the refs gave a phantom fumble recovery to the Washington [redscted].
yeah ppl just enjoy dogging them, they fail to mention them openly being screwed year after year after year. the NFL comes out with an average of 6 stories a season about how wrong calls were made against the Browns and literally cost them the game.
Old Chiefs fan here, I watched nearly 50 years of heartache and failure, a little different because often they were good enough just to not get high draft picks. It's hard to imagine getting a top 5 pick every year and not hitting a winner at least by accident.
As a Browns fan, I feel like I've seen us leading against the Steelers at halftime many, many times. And it's depressing how few of those games we ended up winning.
Baker Mayfield going to the Browns was the best and the worst thing that could have happened. On one end, he was the perfect jolt for that franchise and could have had more playoff chances with that team. But on the other end, his immaturity and playing through that devastating injury that he had to his non-throwing shoulder really cost him his job there. I really think Cleveland should have just shut him down after the Texans game when he got hurt.
@@christiancorley4309 But, you can see before and after the torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder, along with re-aggravating it a few weeks later, that his throwing mechanics were screwed up and it costed the team multiple games to miss the playoffs.
This is where the team didn’t save Baker from himself. Football players are going to want to play, period. Where it’s his non-throwing shoulder, ok, give Baker 2-3 games to see if he can still go. After a few weeks though, it’s obvious he’s not the same player and the team needs to step in and say “Thanks Bake, but you’re not the same player with only one arm. You’re done, go get surgery.”
@@M_11_m41n his mechanics weren’t that screwed up. He was still able to throw and insisted on doing it. He’d have a few inaccurate passes here and there, but most of his issues came from playing outside of Stefanski’s system. Getting baited easily by robber, being late to reads, etc. Quincy Carrier did a film review of him that points this out.
Does the name of Otto Graham bring up any strong feelings? In 1945-1955, he played in 10 seasons with winning 7 championships in 3 different leagues. Graham is one of the most consistent and clutch quarterbacks in history of the NFL since 1920. I’m a Steelers fan, Otto Graham is a QB that I still remember. I’m only 39 and born in 1985.
1:06:35 btw...that 2nd ravens superbowl was the season art modell passed away, the Baltimore jerseys had an "art" conmemorative circle sewed in So...in the year browns fans could finally say "good riddance" so such a maligned person...the team he ripped away from them gets to send him off with a super bowl win...
You ask me, the fact that Myles Garrett got suspended while Mason Rudolph (who kicked Garrett in the balls twice before Garrett went off) didn’t is one of the most Browns things to ever Browns
Baker Mayfield was a decent QB with a bad season and the Browns chucked him aside because they dont know what a starting QB, even if they arent the best, is worth
@@ROMBomb001baker was very polarizing some people loved him and others hated him both for good reason. The problem with baker is that although he is an average to slightly below average QB (if you just average his years together) he has these peaks and valleys 2019, 2021,2022 he was objectively a bottom 5 QB in the sport 2020 and 2023 he was 10-12. 2018 he was about 12-15. And also regardless of good coaching or good players around him he will still have these issues. He’s just so inconsistent that the browns didn’t feel his highs were good enough to justify the lows and tbh I agree considering we’re not looking to just be a playoff team and maybe win a game… we wanna try and win a chip and even at bakers peak I don’t think he will be able to do that (look at 2020)
Gosh I've really spent 10 years rooting for the Browns already. I was just Browns curious at first but that Ravens field goal block loss was what cemented me as a Browns fan. Even now as I wish no success for Deshaun Watson I still root for the Browns
@@stebo5562 we appreciate you too. You hired incompetent ass ppl, which led to failures and your supremely talented QB who was just entering his prime, requesting a trade because he no longer wanted to play for a lying ass owner
Otto Graham was 107-17-5 as a starter for the Browns, and won 7 titles.. lol.. Trust me, people, in 50 years they won’t know how to slice bread!.. Smh..
The 2007 season feels like it was yesterday in a lot of ways. But you know you’re in trouble when Ken Dorsey is your QB1. And I really did think Brady Quinn would be great in the NFL. It’s criminal how these all time great o-linemen always seem to be on the worst franchises possible. Joe Thomas deserved better.
Was watching the dynasty documentary and realized something. Belichick benched kosar and it led to turmoil for the qb position for the browns till, well i guess joe flacco. He benched bledsoe and it led to the Patriots dynasty. An eye for an eye.
When this many QBs fail, you KNOW it isn't the QB... It's the ineptitude around him making it nearly impossible to succeed. Baker is in the process of making that abundantly clear.
The fact that they got rid of baker Mayfield after he brought more success to the franchise then they'd seen in years and signed Watson, surrounded by controversy and gave him a massive contract for Joe Flacco to come in and do more for them off the couch then Watson has is the most Brown's story ever 😂
For real I was so happy that Deshaun Watson was terrible. Also, it made me even more happy that Baker Mayfield found success on a team that has way less talent than the Browns
It's crazy just how bad the Browns have been as an institution at picking QBs. It genuinely is hard to get a top QB, but it feels like they have actively tried to avoid doing so. When you look at Chicago, another cursed franchise, at least they look like they are TRYING at QB. A big trade to get Cutler, trading up to draft Tribiski, trading up to get Fields. And none of these were huge successes but these are guys who at least start for a few years. When the Browns are in the same situation, they take Manziel and Hoyer, outrageous choices that were clearly doomed to fail. Even going after Watson; where they give up too much and overpay him; it's just... No, Browns. No. That's not a good idea. I genuinely think the only sensible move they have made in decades is when they drafted Colt McCoy in the third round, and he was unexciting but somewhat competent. McCoy is stayed in the league until last year, by the way. He played meaningful snaps in Arizona. How many other Browns QBs were even still backups?
Big Ben was at one point holding the most wins in the Browns stadium for like a year and a half. Thats how bad the browns qb situation was during this time
Lmao I was just thinking that. I remember every single one of these guys. Watched all of them play too. I was at almost every home game from 1999 - 2002. I still have season tickets but I don't go to all the games anymore.
As a Toledo native that thinks Cleveland is a cesspool...it's really interesting how popular Cleveland sports teams are compared to Cincinnati. Like I've seen so many Browns and Indians jerseys growing up, but NEVER see any repping yhe Bengals or Reds.
I’m surprised you didn’t see more Detroit jerseys. Detroit is a shorter drive than either Cincy or Cleveland. Cincinnati is only about 20 minutes closer to Toledo than Chicago. That’s the biggest factor. That and for the better part of the last 25 years, the Reds have been ass. 😂
@@zlinedavidMore than anything I saw Wolverines and Red Wings gear since they actually sell that stuff in Walmart and other sport stores alongside OSU stuff. I actually moved back to Toledo recently and not much has changed. Even with the Bengals being good, I still see way more Browns shirts.
Watch any player’s highlight reel and it will always include plays against the Browns. I have been known to compare them to the Washington Generals. They exist to make other teams look good.
This is better then Wikipedia and very entertaining with your channel. If I had to read this all of this info it would have put me to sleep, love the effort awesome work ❤😊
I was a browns fan before Deshaun Watson was signed. It pains me to see how well baker played and how good the browns team is. They keep baker and I think this past season would’ve been great
@@jojijoestar7233 yes, 1 game, on a bad team, vs a bad team. Notice how people always point to that rams game, but never mention any of the 5 games he played after that. Also, nobody mentions how he was so bad with the panthers, that they released him mid-season. PJ Walker and Sam Darnold arguably played better. He’s fun to watch and to root for, absolutely. But he was not worth extending. Hes never gonna win a SB unless he’s the backup on a team that does. He’s too inconsistent. Since the Bucs are expecting to go farther this season, what they should expect is 8-9 or another 9-8 season with disappointing results.
I've been a browns fan since I was born in 2001. My grandfather, father, and I all despised Art Modell. but the funny thing is...we all hate a different team the most. my grandfather hated the bengals due to their creation removing browns games broadcasting from the area he lived. My dad hates the steelers for a multitude of reasons. I hate the ravens, reasons why can be seen clear as day in this video. Bottlegate is the perfect example of browns getting screwed. biggest dissapointment I had with the browns wasn't the 1-15 season, or the 0-16 season. It was getting rid of baker mayfield. great video BTW, perfect showing of despair vs hope to end this comment, I'll say I'm hopeful for the browns. we're getting somewhere. Where that is IDK, but I feel it'll be good. If there's one thing that never changes with browns fans...it's that we have that dawg in us.
Really pushing for that 10 minute video length, huh?
Super desperate to stretch it to the monetization length lmao
Didn’t thing anyone would call me out for this 😢
Maaaaaan he could’ve just did super bowl drought
@tubfrog I love the long videos don't listen to them!!!
@@tubfrogshameful just shameful that you could do this 😔😔😔
I'm happy Baker Mayfield resurrected his career with Tampa.
Me too
As a Bucs fan and baker fan I’m ecstatic, I really hope we can be contenders for the next few years with him
As a Browns fan me too, wish they never got rid of him
@@integratyper5137he would’ve played one more season in Cleveland, and you would’ve been calling for him to be cut or traded. The highs of the mayfield era were fun, but there’s a lot of revisionist history going on when people try and pretend he isn’t just Ryan Fitzpatrick 2
Facts
A lot of younger people aren't even aware that the original Cleveland Browns moved and became the Baltimore Ravens and then shortly after won their 1st of two Superbowls. That's gotta sting even worse.
As a ravens fan my relatives in Cleveland hate to see me coming 😂😂😂
@ericjones6651 I'm not a Browns fan, but hate the Ravens. I won a lot of money in the AFC championship game betting against the Ravens.
@@whataboutrob442 it's ok we got love for the haters too
Don’t act like they moved the owner was a terrible businessman and the only reason he was able to even move the team was because he had a few connections in Baltimore
@@Tbertleff I don't have to act like they moved. THEY DID MOVE! Take your meds bro.
You mentioned the browns missing the chance to draft Big Ben in 2004 but you left out the best part. Not only did he go to their hated rival the Steelers but he also won 2 superbowls and until Baker Mayfield had the most wins of any quarterback in the browns stadium. He absolutely tortured browns fans for almost two decades
I literally was sitting there yelling at the TV to draft him..from Ohio, big, good arm....nope they totally missed...ridiculous
Also missed that Trent Dilfer was the starting QB for the Ravens in their first super bowl win lol
So my mom’s sister married a Clevelander about 30 years ago, so not inly did she and her kids have to experience this exercise in misery, but my uncle actually worked in the law firm that Art Modell used to move the team. That’s something he will never get over, even if he lives to see a Browns Super Bowl
Being a part of the move that killed your team has to be something that haunts you as a fan.
Moms sister= aunt
I’m a Clevelander we gonna see an Browns Super Bowl mark my words
@@durandparkerjr9502 as long as you guys can somehow get someone better than Watson sometime soon, sure
69th like baby! Woo!!!!
Baker Mayfield is my favorite QB that isn’t on any team I root for.
Ever since the rookie wage scale these teams are quick to dump a developing quarterback. You can take a QB in round one every year if you want. Yeah a lot of guys will get stepped over but it is a way better situation than being stuck with a subpar QB because of the salary cap. Perfect examples are 2004 Roethlisberger and 2005 Rodgers. Oakland wanted Rodgers but was stuck with Kerry Collins and his contract. Not to pick on Collins, I was always a fan. Even at Penn State.
Jeez i fell asleep watching BrandonPerna and while waking up to this great vid, great thing man
Holy shit even 6 months later and the same exact thing happened to me. It's now 5 am wow
As someone who has liven in Cleveland for all my 23 years of life. Although this entire video was incredibly well done, I despise your existence for reminding me just how disappointing our entire organization is….
Meh post '99 wasn't so good, but plenty of old history to be proud of. And TBH, you can actually be pretty proud of the continuity that this team actually has now. Trust in AB.
The Browns did have a franchise QB, and they completely ruined his confidence, rushed him back from injury, gave him four head coaches in four seasons, and then dumped him for Deshaun Watson. Baker Mayfield was the best QB that the Browns have had since Bernie Kosar, and they know it. Look at what he did in Tampa Bay last year, he went to a franchise that just saw Tom Brady retire, and he took that team to the playoffs and was within one drive of getting to the NFC Championship Game. If they kept Baker and then drafted Chris Olave and Will Anderson the next year, and found depth on offense and defense without giving up major draft capital they would be legitimate Super Bowl Contenders. Haslam better thank the gods for Andrew Berry or else he'd be getting mocked at even more than he is.
I thought that browns team with Jarvis and Odell with Baker in 2018 or 2019 whichever season was gonna do some big things and then it went all to shit in the Kitchen
I honestly can’t believe you missed out on Peyton hillis in 2010, being a random fullback who had the 1000 yard season
missed out on several valid points, but this is a video to dog them
He was on the cover of MADDEN for christ sake. The dude was a beast. 100% agree
Its a video of QB failures. FB turned HB doesnt really fit the description.
@@rainwhenidie666 shocker, you can change the title of TH-cam videos. Almost like that wasn’t the name when it originally came out
Hes writing on a whiteboard for the ENTIRE video with the list of QBs who started for the Browns. Anyone with a working brain can understand what he was going for.
The Browns' quarterback situation is an ongoing living meme
A Greek tragedy. They actually found their guy, but they focused on what he couldn’t do instead of what he actually did, played him injured, scapegoated him, and then swapped him for a serial sex offender.
@@warlordofbritannia too bad he wasn't really a sex offender and women just wanted his money it was never proven many of the women were proven to be lying. Watson did fall off tho i won't lie about that
NFL Network did a Top 10 on worst free agent signings, and they mentioned Jeff Garcia on it. And then someone pointed out after leaving Cleveland, he managed to take Philadelphia and Tampa Bay to the playoffs before remarking, "Bless you, Cleveland, you just have that effect on people."
@@maxxjapan619 🤣🤣
@@johnomalley7211He was definitely a real sex offender.
I don't need to watch this video. I lived this life. I'll still watch though...
Literally pained me to watch this
As a browns fan I was conflicted with emotions upon seeing this notification, however, no words of any language could possibly describe the fear and dread I experienced upon seeing the length of this video, I feel as the patriot fan in their video, but I have no pride, only shame and sadness with the occasional glimmer of hope that persists just long enough to be ripped away in the most painful way possible. I know I will weep in this video
Be positive my friend. We have at least been pretty competitive the past 4-5 years. We have our coach… do we have our Quarterback?? We’ll find out after this next season. If Watson doesn’t stay healthy (or plays terrible), there will be riots in Cleveland lol.
Hey at least people outside of brown fan give a shit about them. If brown pulled off superbowl win non Cleveland fan would be celebrating. Unlike jet no one outside of New York give a shit
dude! stop it,. have some faith g-d damnit! DAWG CHECK! lol
Especially seeing what could have been with the success of the Ravens, must be brutal.
Did you know that?
The Cleveland Browns have over 40 quarterbacks in the last 20 years since they returned in 1999. That is the same years since the Tom Brady era.
Plus one.
Packers have had 3 in 30 years
@@bobbysbreakdowns Are you telling me that ONLY three QB's ever started a game for the Packers in 30 years? Most of these "starting" QB's were one game starts for some reason or another.
"Went on to draft two Hall Of Famers....Jonathan Ogden and O.J. Simpson."
I'm fuckin dead
Both HOF murderers I could see the mistake lol.
*Only Ray Lewis didn't murder anyone.*
@@bigkev9539according to him
@@bigkev9539 he was complicit in one
@@YOSSARIAN313
*No. His friends stabbed the other two guys after them and their enteroge instigated a brawl with Ray Lewis and his then friends that night. Even though it was determined to be self-defense, he lied to try to cover for his two friends (aka "obstruction of justice").*
Me seeing that Seneca Wallace is now like 13 qb's back and then aging 40 years. Me remembering the jersey was originally Tim Couch's and instantly turn to dust.
This is like watching a car accident for 2 hours that you have already experienced every day for 25 years and I love it!
lol so real me too
A video like this for the Cowboys since Jerry bought the team would slap
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The only reason I knew Delhomne was a Brown was because I am a Panthers fan and I remember being heartbroken at age 11 when he went to Cleveland
Holy shit a fellow panthers fan.
The team move was a wake-up call for my NFL fandom. On the cusp of 18, it made me grow up and abandon all emotional ties to a football team as an extension of my personality. Watching football without the childish emotions of a favorite team feels good.
As a Browns fan that has been through it since the 80's, I know the pain. The saying, 'There is always next year.' was thrown around a lot through the years but the dedicated Browns fans will always show up for games.
I'm 37 and I've been going to games since I was literally in my moms stomach. She went to games pregnant with me. My grandpa had season tickets since the 60's and we still have them today.
As a niner fan, I think they should be next. 3 SB losses within the last 15 years is impressive and disappointing 😂
Oh there time will come
I think we have to wait a few years for that. They might not be done yet
In the '70s, it was the Vikings. In the '80s, the Broncos. In the '90s, the Bills. There haven't been a lot of repeat losers close in time since then-the Patriots lost three times across 11 years, but they also won 6, so that's not really a mark of futility. The 49ers are about the "best" we get in the 32-team, salary-cap era.
I feel for you guys. Kyle Shanahan was my teams OC in the ridiculous 28-3 BS. I do feel a little less pain knowing that at least a small portion of that blown lead can now safely fall on his shoulders.
@@TheMILVSCR
Imagine if Kyle just ran the ball with the lead in any of his 3 Superbowl losses as OC or HC
All three NFL teams who suffered winless seasons had a future Hall of Fame on their roster.
'76 Buccaneers: LeRoy Selmon
'08 Lions: Calvin Johnson
'16 Browns: Joe Thomas
Just goes to show you really need more than one good player.
The Browns winless season was 17. I think he was still there though so your point is still valid.
@@RBSmada You're right, it was '17. But, yeah, they went winless even with a Hall of Famer.
Football's a tricky game. And yet me getting dates correct is even trickier.
In basketball or hockey, there’s only 5 players in the game at a time. One guy can get hot and carry a team. Baseball, a pitcher can hit the zone and the team can ride him for the next few months. Football….too many different positions requiring too many different skills. It’s hard if not impossible for one player to take over and carry a team.
The amount of greed in this organization is insane, my whole world shattered when I saw that we traded Baker Mayfield. I wanted to give him one more year, he was playing through injury in his last year in Cleveland, and the disrespect our management showed this man out the door by trading for Groper Cleveland....I feel for Baker and I hope that Jimmy Haslem rots in hell
Well, people in Cleveland aren't the only ones who hope Haslam rots in hell. The same can be said for the Milwaukee Bucks. He turned what could have been a dynasty into the biggest organizational gong show in the NBA this year. It was he who fired Budenholzer, then fired his replacement midseason for Doc Rivers, and then traded the entire future, plus Jrue Holiday and Grayson Allen for Damian Lillard, and then gave Dame the same contract he gave Deshaun Watson. If all of this gets Giannis to leave town, Haslam will officially pass David Tepper as the worst owner in sports.
As an outsider that Deshaun Watson trade is still baffles me
Woahhhhhh a 2 hour video?!?! This is bouta be great
They had a franchise qb in baker but made another terrible decision and traded him for deshaun watson. Now baker is winning more playoff games for a differnt city, and winning pro bowl mvps. And deshaun hasnt done squat in cleveland. Smh
There there there...
It is wild the two times the new Browns made the playoffs, barely squeaking in, they were both against their division rival. Pittsburgh. They lost one and won one. And while most NFL fans are not Browns fans, every NFL fan would love to see them get to a Super Bowl. Technically the Browns have two rings. The old Browns? The team over in Baltimore? They are the old Browns.
When they announced in late 1995 that a new Browns would begin play in 1999, it seemed like a long way off. And as an expansion team and not a relocated team like many thought would happen, we all knew it’d take a while to become anything. And they did improve every year and got to the playoffs in 2002. Their fourth season. Nobody thought they would be so awful for so long. They really were on their way to building something until 2021, then of course they blew it all up. And of course Baker Mayfield is thriving in Tampa Bay. While they are dealing with the baggage Watson brought to town. Joe Flacco is great but he is a bridge quarterback. They are just always such a mess. It’s almost like they’re trying to mess it all up.
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When they got going again in 1999 everyone knew it’d be a while before they found their footing. Never imagined that 25 years later they’d still be at square one. And of course the old Browns have been thriving from the jump in Baltimore.
In 2016, duke Johnson, while actively holding the football, gave up a fumble because the refs gave a phantom fumble recovery to the Washington [redscted].
yeah ppl just enjoy dogging them, they fail to mention them openly being screwed year after year after year. the NFL comes out with an average of 6 stories a season about how wrong calls were made against the Browns and literally cost them the game.
Old Chiefs fan here, I watched nearly 50 years of heartache and failure, a little different because often they were good enough just to not get high draft picks. It's hard to imagine getting a top 5 pick every year and not hitting a winner at least by accident.
As a Browns fan, I feel like I've seen us leading against the Steelers at halftime many, many times. And it's depressing how few of those games we ended up winning.
I was mid-drink when hearing the Ray Lewis joke, spit it out involuntarily and choked with uncontrollable laughter
I have to say, I will always respect Hue Jackson for doing the plunge liked he promised
As a browns fan I can confidently say that depression no longer affects me.
Depression HATES This One Trick…
I've been checking this channel day in and day out for weeks, and finally... A NEW UPLOAD! ❤❤
I'm thankful that Baker Mayfield is thriving in Tampa
Don't matter who the Browns field out there, they immediately become a two pack of ass
Baker Mayfield going to the Browns was the best and the worst thing that could have happened. On one end, he was the perfect jolt for that franchise and could have had more playoff chances with that team. But on the other end, his immaturity and playing through that devastating injury that he had to his non-throwing shoulder really cost him his job there. I really think Cleveland should have just shut him down after the Texans game when he got hurt.
I think they would have, but he got medically cleared to play, and it was a contract year. I bet they let him make that decision
@@christiancorley4309 But, you can see before and after the torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder, along with re-aggravating it a few weeks later, that his throwing mechanics were screwed up and it costed the team multiple games to miss the playoffs.
@@M_11_m41nTrue but the browns are also a cursed franchise as Baker was cooking on the Bucks.
This is where the team didn’t save Baker from himself. Football players are going to want to play, period. Where it’s his non-throwing shoulder, ok, give Baker 2-3 games to see if he can still go. After a few weeks though, it’s obvious he’s not the same player and the team needs to step in and say “Thanks Bake, but you’re not the same player with only one arm. You’re done, go get surgery.”
@@M_11_m41n his mechanics weren’t that screwed up. He was still able to throw and insisted on doing it. He’d have a few inaccurate passes here and there, but most of his issues came from playing outside of Stefanski’s system. Getting baited easily by robber, being late to reads, etc. Quincy Carrier did a film review of him that points this out.
Kellen Winslow gave off more Aaron Hernandez vibes then Aaron Hernandez
Does the name of Otto Graham bring up any strong feelings? In 1945-1955, he played in 10 seasons with winning 7 championships in 3 different leagues. Graham is one of the most consistent and clutch quarterbacks in history of the NFL since 1920. I’m a Steelers fan, Otto Graham is a QB that I still remember. I’m only 39 and born in 1985.
Bernie Kosar was a franchise quarterback.
6:53 he says Ravens brought in O.J. Simpson???
I snapped at the same shit
Lol I had to look too. He's calling Ray rice a murderer
"What's so good about Cleveland?"
LEAVING 😂
Wow dude even as a Steelers fan I feel bad for Bentley, dude just wanted to play for his hometown team that series of events is absolutely insane
1:06:35 btw...that 2nd ravens superbowl was the season art modell passed away, the Baltimore jerseys had an "art" conmemorative circle sewed in
So...in the year browns fans could finally say "good riddance" so such a maligned person...the team he ripped away from them gets to send him off with a super bowl win...
You ask me, the fact that Myles Garrett got suspended while Mason Rudolph (who kicked Garrett in the balls twice before Garrett went off) didn’t is one of the most Browns things to ever Browns
Baker Mayfield was a decent QB with a bad season and the Browns chucked him aside because they dont know what a starting QB, even if they arent the best, is worth
Agreed, and what surprised me most was that a lot of the fans seemed happy with the move at the time. Oooof
@@ROMBomb001baker was very polarizing some people loved him and others hated him both for good reason.
The problem with baker is that although he is an average to slightly below average QB (if you just average his years together) he has these peaks and valleys
2019, 2021,2022 he was objectively a bottom 5 QB in the sport
2020 and 2023 he was 10-12. 2018 he was about 12-15.
And also regardless of good coaching or good players around him he will still have these issues. He’s just so inconsistent that the browns didn’t feel his highs were good enough to justify the lows and tbh I agree considering we’re not looking to just be a playoff team and maybe win a game… we wanna try and win a chip and even at bakers peak I don’t think he will be able to do that (look at 2020)
This is so fricking good, youve profected your art, thank you for entertaining us for free!!!!
Don't listen to these heathens. This is peak content and I don't mind the longer vids. Great stuff.
I think I actually creid after the couldn't resist the Kokinis line. Great vid
Every time the Baltimore ravens were said it caught me off guard lol I should be expecting it but every freaking time. You did a killer job with that!
I'd have to say this video rivals "Days of Our Steelers" as the best long football documentary I've seen on TH-cam.
Probably helps that it's another AFC North team.
Gosh I've really spent 10 years rooting for the Browns already. I was just Browns curious at first but that Ravens field goal block loss was what cemented me as a Browns fan. Even now as I wish no success for Deshaun Watson I still root for the Browns
As a browns fan I hate deshaun Watson so much
As a Texan fan, I really appreciate you guys
@@stebo5562 we appreciate you too. You hired incompetent ass ppl, which led to failures and your supremely talented QB who was just entering his prime, requesting a trade because he no longer wanted to play for a lying ass owner
I love this long form content. I can put it on the TV and relax. Keep it up!
Otto Graham was 107-17-5 as a starter for the Browns, and won 7 titles.. lol..
Trust me, people, in 50 years they won’t know how to slice bread!.. Smh..
Bernie Kosar exists too, though he wasn't a great by any stretch
The 2007 season feels like it was yesterday in a lot of ways. But you know you’re in trouble when Ken Dorsey is your QB1. And I really did think Brady Quinn would be great in the NFL. It’s criminal how these all time great o-linemen always seem to be on the worst franchises possible. Joe Thomas deserved better.
Was watching the dynasty documentary and realized something. Belichick benched kosar and it led to turmoil for the qb position for the browns till, well i guess joe flacco. He benched bledsoe and it led to the Patriots dynasty. An eye for an eye.
Baker was and is good too but we screwed that up
When this many QBs fail, you KNOW it isn't the QB... It's the ineptitude around him making it nearly impossible to succeed. Baker is in the process of making that abundantly clear.
Need to update this
It just keeps getting worse for them😭
This was the fastest 2 hours ever, great documentary man!!
Hot take, but Hue Jackson's winless-ness wasn't entirely his fault. He had some catastrophic luck with special teams and injuries.
As a rams fan, I will not stand for the Kenny Britt slander, still have his jersey
The fact that they got rid of baker Mayfield after he brought more success to the franchise then they'd seen in years and signed Watson, surrounded by controversy and gave him a massive contract for Joe Flacco to come in and do more for them off the couch then Watson has is the most Brown's story ever 😂
For real I was so happy that Deshaun Watson was terrible. Also, it made me even more happy that Baker Mayfield found success on a team that has way less talent than the Browns
I don’t know if I have seen a video by you that doesn’t feature 28-3 at any point in it. It’s amazing. 😂
Lol great one
Ever heard of Ed Reed 😂😂
Talented TH-camr
u a top youtuber not even just in the sports world u do fantastic recaps of 20 years of time it’s impressive stuff
It's crazy just how bad the Browns have been as an institution at picking QBs. It genuinely is hard to get a top QB, but it feels like they have actively tried to avoid doing so. When you look at Chicago, another cursed franchise, at least they look like they are TRYING at QB. A big trade to get Cutler, trading up to draft Tribiski, trading up to get Fields. And none of these were huge successes but these are guys who at least start for a few years. When the Browns are in the same situation, they take Manziel and Hoyer, outrageous choices that were clearly doomed to fail. Even going after Watson; where they give up too much and overpay him; it's just... No, Browns. No. That's not a good idea.
I genuinely think the only sensible move they have made in decades is when they drafted Colt McCoy in the third round, and he was unexciting but somewhat competent. McCoy is stayed in the league until last year, by the way. He played meaningful snaps in Arizona. How many other Browns QBs were even still backups?
Great video. Not a browns fan but loved how you did this. Would love to see one on the titans but I know that wouldn't be popular.
Big Ben was at one point holding the most wins in the Browns stadium for like a year and a half. Thats how bad the browns qb situation was during this time
What is it with that stadium and rapey quarterbacks? 😂
Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes currently have the most wins of any HC/QB combination at Allegient Stadium.
Woke up with a hangover to see this on my feed.
Worth it.
The Browns game vs the Bills at 42:24 that they lost 37-7 I was born on that very day I kid you not
As a Steelers fan it is heart warming to see baker doing well.
“And OJ Simpson” lmao
Im loving these longer videos bro. Keep it up
Please bro ... no more f this stupidity!
Now we got professor tub in the house.
Tubfrog the only one who can put out hr vids and keep my attention. Keep doing you homie
As a Lions fan, blowing a 24-7 lead in the playoffs sounds familiar…
Lions are never going to the playoffs again. Enjoy while it lasted
@@gunnercade7728 I really hope this isn’t a Browns fan talking because that would be sad
@@baseballsoffury642Detroit sports overall sucks
@@marquanmr not really. We have been better lately. Lions will be better for the next few years because of our new ownership
@@baseballsoffury642 tigers suck, pistons terrible, lions pretty good. But for the better part of the last decade, all Detroit teams been terrible.
TWO. HOURS. Hell yes! Just got off of work. Got some grub. Got some beer. Got a great video to watch!
Every Browns fan remembers every name 😭🤣
Lmao I was just thinking that. I remember every single one of these guys. Watched all of them play too. I was at almost every home game from 1999 - 2002. I still have season tickets but I don't go to all the games anymore.
i'm surprised you didnt mention Peyton Hillis and that weird one year wonder season he had, or maybe i missed it 😂😂 Ik it's a qb video but still.
6:52 OJ SIMPSON is crazy
im mean one got away frm murder and the other kill bc his wife cheated on him but put aside both hof
Just a missing white suit
But smart enough to hire the best lawyers money 🤑 could buy, and then stiff the best one. (Cochran)
That was wild. It took a second for me to get it. That was some savagery. Well played sir, well played.
@@ryane5483 same
As a Toledo native that thinks Cleveland is a cesspool...it's really interesting how popular Cleveland sports teams are compared to Cincinnati.
Like I've seen so many Browns and Indians jerseys growing up, but NEVER see any repping yhe Bengals or Reds.
I’m surprised you didn’t see more Detroit jerseys. Detroit is a shorter drive than either Cincy or Cleveland.
Cincinnati is only about 20 minutes closer to Toledo than Chicago. That’s the biggest factor.
That and for the better part of the last 25 years, the Reds have been ass. 😂
@@zlinedavidMore than anything I saw Wolverines and Red Wings gear since they actually sell that stuff in Walmart and other sport stores alongside OSU stuff.
I actually moved back to Toledo recently and not much has changed. Even with the Bengals being good, I still see way more Browns shirts.
The 28-3 jumpscare at 1:19:17 had me on the floor.
Until Watson is gone, I hope the browns accomplish nothing
And if they do with Watson, what are gonna say?
@@IllMatic97 I see you in the comments defending Watson, so I’m not gonna say anything to you weirdo
Okay racist
@@kjsdpgijnThis has nothing to do with racism. It's about Deshaun Watson being another Ben Rothlisberger.
You don't need to hope.
Watch any player’s highlight reel and it will always include plays against the Browns. I have been known to compare them to the Washington Generals. They exist to make other teams look good.
After week 1 of the 24-25 season Watson does suck and picked up yet another SA lawsuit.
This is better then Wikipedia and very entertaining with your channel. If I had to read this all of this info it would have put me to sleep, love the effort awesome work ❤😊
Even with Deshaun Watson under centre the QB carousel will continue for the Browns.
Lop go play madden
This was a great video. You have a great way of putting this information together.
I was a browns fan before Deshaun Watson was signed. It pains me to see how well baker played and how good the browns team is. They keep baker and I think this past season would’ve been great
Baker only plays well every other year in case you haven't noticed the pattern
Baker never plays well under expectations. People thought the Bucs were gonna be in the Caleb Williams race, so on cue, he had a decent season.
@@christiancorley4309 exactly 💯 this
@@christiancorley4309I mean he had that game with the Rams where he punked the Raiders after he just signed with the team 48 hours before
@@jojijoestar7233 yes, 1 game, on a bad team, vs a bad team. Notice how people always point to that rams game, but never mention any of the 5 games he played after that. Also, nobody mentions how he was so bad with the panthers, that they released him mid-season. PJ Walker and Sam Darnold arguably played better.
He’s fun to watch and to root for, absolutely. But he was not worth extending. Hes never gonna win a SB unless he’s the backup on a team that does. He’s too inconsistent. Since the Bucs are expecting to go farther this season, what they should expect is 8-9 or another 9-8 season with disappointing results.
Don't forget that wynn was selected 2 picks ahead of this guy named Tom Brady
They deserve a renewed curse for giving Watson all that money
I've been a browns fan since I was born in 2001. My grandfather, father, and I all despised Art Modell.
but the funny thing is...we all hate a different team the most. my grandfather hated the bengals due to their creation removing browns games broadcasting from the area he lived. My dad hates the steelers for a multitude of reasons. I hate the ravens, reasons why can be seen clear as day in this video.
Bottlegate is the perfect example of browns getting screwed.
biggest dissapointment I had with the browns wasn't the 1-15 season, or the 0-16 season. It was getting rid of baker mayfield.
great video BTW, perfect showing of despair vs hope
to end this comment, I'll say I'm hopeful for the browns. we're getting somewhere. Where that is IDK, but I feel it'll be good.
If there's one thing that never changes with browns fans...it's that we have that dawg in us.
Peyton hillis not being mentioned is crazy but this is still great
Oh man, you need a mid-season update to this. Well done.
Otto Graham was a franchise QB