@@integratyper5137he would’ve played one more season in Cleveland, and you would’ve been calling for him to be cut or traded. The highs of the mayfield era were fun, but there’s a lot of revisionist history going on when people try and pretend he isn’t just Ryan Fitzpatrick 2
A lot of younger people aren't even aware that the original Cleveland Browns moved and became the Baltimore Ravens and then shortly after won their 1st of two Superbowls. That's gotta sting even worse.
Don’t act like they moved the owner was a terrible businessman and the only reason he was able to even move the team was because he had a few connections in Baltimore
So my mom’s sister married a Clevelander about 30 years ago, so not inly did she and her kids have to experience this exercise in misery, but my uncle actually worked in the law firm that Art Modell used to move the team. That’s something he will never get over, even if he lives to see a Browns Super Bowl
Hes writing on a whiteboard for the ENTIRE video with the list of QBs who started for the Browns. Anyone with a working brain can understand what he was going for.
As a browns fan I was conflicted with emotions upon seeing this notification, however, no words of any language could possibly describe the fear and dread I experienced upon seeing the length of this video, I feel as the patriot fan in their video, but I have no pride, only shame and sadness with the occasional glimmer of hope that persists just long enough to be ripped away in the most painful way possible. I know I will weep in this video
Be positive my friend. We have at least been pretty competitive the past 4-5 years. We have our coach… do we have our Quarterback?? We’ll find out after this next season. If Watson doesn’t stay healthy (or plays terrible), there will be riots in Cleveland lol.
Hey at least people outside of brown fan give a shit about them. If brown pulled off superbowl win non Cleveland fan would be celebrating. Unlike jet no one outside of New York give a shit
Did you know that? The Cleveland Browns have over 40 quarterbacks in the last 20 years since they returned in 1999. That is the same years since the Tom Brady era.
@@bobbysbreakdowns Are you telling me that ONLY three QB's ever started a game for the Packers in 30 years? Most of these "starting" QB's were one game starts for some reason or another.
You mentioned the browns missing the chance to draft Big Ben in 2004 but you left out the best part. Not only did he go to their hated rival the Steelers but he also won 2 superbowls and until Baker Mayfield had the most wins of any quarterback in the browns stadium. He absolutely tortured browns fans for almost two decades
A Greek tragedy. They actually found their guy, but they focused on what he couldn’t do instead of what he actually did, played him injured, scapegoated him, and then swapped him for a serial sex offender.
@@warlordofbritannia too bad he wasn't really a sex offender and women just wanted his money it was never proven many of the women were proven to be lying. Watson did fall off tho i won't lie about that
NFL Network did a Top 10 on worst free agent signings, and they mentioned Jeff Garcia on it. And then someone pointed out after leaving Cleveland, he managed to take Philadelphia and Tampa Bay to the playoffs before remarking, "Bless you, Cleveland, you just have that effect on people."
As someone who has liven in Cleveland for all my 23 years of life. Although this entire video was incredibly well done, I despise your existence for reminding me just how disappointing our entire organization is….
Meh post '99 wasn't so good, but plenty of old history to be proud of. And TBH, you can actually be pretty proud of the continuity that this team actually has now. Trust in AB.
All three NFL teams who suffered winless seasons had a future Hall of Fame on their roster. '76 Buccaneers: LeRoy Selmon '08 Lions: Calvin Johnson '16 Browns: Joe Thomas Just goes to show you really need more than one good player.
@@RBSmada You're right, it was '17. But, yeah, they went winless even with a Hall of Famer. Football's a tricky game. And yet me getting dates correct is even trickier.
In the '70s, it was the Vikings. In the '80s, the Broncos. In the '90s, the Bills. There haven't been a lot of repeat losers close in time since then-the Patriots lost three times across 11 years, but they also won 6, so that's not really a mark of futility. The 49ers are about the "best" we get in the 32-team, salary-cap era.
I feel for you guys. Kyle Shanahan was my teams OC in the ridiculous 28-3 BS. I do feel a little less pain knowing that at least a small portion of that blown lead can now safely fall on his shoulders.
@@YOSSARIAN313 *No. His friends stabbed the other two guys after them and their enteroge instigated a brawl with Ray Lewis and his then friends that night. Even though it was determined to be self-defense, he lied to try to cover for his two friends (aka "obstruction of justice").*
As a Browns fan that has been through it since the 80's, I know the pain. The saying, 'There is always next year.' was thrown around a lot through the years but the dedicated Browns fans will always show up for games.
The team move was a wake-up call for my NFL fandom. On the cusp of 18, it made me grow up and abandon all emotional ties to a football team as an extension of my personality. Watching football without the childish emotions of a favorite team feels good.
Baker winning in the postseason with the buccs, and having his best season, while the team they gave all those picks to beat them is the best bit of Karma in NFL history.
It really wasn’t. The browns were injured to hell so their legitimate hopes ended when Deshaun went out for the season after the ravens game. So the fact that they were even there after all of their injuries, coming out of the hardest division, and having to start 5 QBs total was an achievement, and proved the team is bought in to the front office and what they have going. If that’s supposed to be bad karma, then it wasn’t bad in the slightest.
@christiancorley4309 quit coping. The Browns are screwed because Deshaun Watson has been terrible and his cap hit will be way higher. Unless Watson starts playing like an elite quarterback the Browns aren’t getting close to a super bowl
@@mylespoun9709 before you try an make any blanket statement about the browns and cap, please go listen to/read pieces from Jack Duffin. He’s a cap expert who’s followed the browns for years, and he’ll help you learn how the cap actually works, so you can not regurgitate the same talking points that other people have, when talking about the browns’ and how they operate.
Baker Mayfield going to the Browns was the best and the worst thing that could have happened. On one end, he was the perfect jolt for that franchise and could have had more playoff chances with that team. But on the other end, his immaturity and playing through that devastating injury that he had to his non-throwing shoulder really cost him his job there. I really think Cleveland should have just shut him down after the Texans game when he got hurt.
@@christiancorley4309 But, you can see before and after the torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder, along with re-aggravating it a few weeks later, that his throwing mechanics were screwed up and it costed the team multiple games to miss the playoffs.
This is where the team didn’t save Baker from himself. Football players are going to want to play, period. Where it’s his non-throwing shoulder, ok, give Baker 2-3 games to see if he can still go. After a few weeks though, it’s obvious he’s not the same player and the team needs to step in and say “Thanks Bake, but you’re not the same player with only one arm. You’re done, go get surgery.”
@@manzac112 his mechanics weren’t that screwed up. He was still able to throw and insisted on doing it. He’d have a few inaccurate passes here and there, but most of his issues came from playing outside of Stefanski’s system. Getting baited easily by robber, being late to reads, etc. Quincy Carrier did a film review of him that points this out.
Me seeing that Seneca Wallace is now like 13 qb's back and then aging 40 years. Me remembering the jersey was originally Tim Couch's and instantly turn to dust.
When they got going again in 1999 everyone knew it’d be a while before they found their footing. Never imagined that 25 years later they’d still be at square one. And of course the old Browns have been thriving from the jump in Baltimore.
Baker Mayfield was a decent QB with a bad season and the Browns chucked him aside because they dont know what a starting QB, even if they arent the best, is worth
@@ROMBomb001baker was very polarizing some people loved him and others hated him both for good reason. The problem with baker is that although he is an average to slightly below average QB (if you just average his years together) he has these peaks and valleys 2019, 2021,2022 he was objectively a bottom 5 QB in the sport 2020 and 2023 he was 10-12. 2018 he was about 12-15. And also regardless of good coaching or good players around him he will still have these issues. He’s just so inconsistent that the browns didn’t feel his highs were good enough to justify the lows and tbh I agree considering we’re not looking to just be a playoff team and maybe win a game… we wanna try and win a chip and even at bakers peak I don’t think he will be able to do that (look at 2020)
Old Chiefs fan here, I watched nearly 50 years of heartache and failure, a little different because often they were good enough just to not get high draft picks. It's hard to imagine getting a top 5 pick every year and not hitting a winner at least by accident.
Was watching the dynasty documentary and realized something. Belichick benched kosar and it led to turmoil for the qb position for the browns till, well i guess joe flacco. He benched bledsoe and it led to the Patriots dynasty. An eye for an eye.
The fact that they got rid of baker Mayfield after he brought more success to the franchise then they'd seen in years and signed Watson, surrounded by controversy and gave him a massive contract for Joe Flacco to come in and do more for them off the couch then Watson has is the most Brown's story ever 😂
For real I was so happy that Deshaun Watson was terrible. Also, it made me even more happy that Baker Mayfield found success on a team that has way less talent than the Browns
In 2016, duke Johnson, while actively holding the football, gave up a fumble because the refs gave a phantom fumble recovery to the Washington [redscted].
yeah ppl just enjoy dogging them, they fail to mention them openly being screwed year after year after year. the NFL comes out with an average of 6 stories a season about how wrong calls were made against the Browns and literally cost them the game.
The amount of greed in this organization is insane, my whole world shattered when I saw that we traded Baker Mayfield. I wanted to give him one more year, he was playing through injury in his last year in Cleveland, and the disrespect our management showed this man out the door by trading for Groper Cleveland....I feel for Baker and I hope that Jimmy Haslem rots in hell
Well, people in Cleveland aren't the only ones who hope Haslam rots in hell. The same can be said for the Milwaukee Bucks. He turned what could have been a dynasty into the biggest organizational gong show in the NBA this year. It was he who fired Budenholzer, then fired his replacement midseason for Doc Rivers, and then traded the entire future, plus Jrue Holiday and Grayson Allen for Damian Lillard, and then gave Dame the same contract he gave Deshaun Watson. If all of this gets Giannis to leave town, Haslam will officially pass David Tepper as the worst owner in sports.
The fact the titans came back being down 31-0 at halftime to the browns having to score a touchdown with :48 left in the game was insanity. My hatred for Vrabel started after that game.
@@stebo5562 we appreciate you too. You hired incompetent ass ppl, which led to failures and your supremely talented QB who was just entering his prime, requesting a trade because he no longer wanted to play for a lying ass owner
As a Browns fan, I feel like I've seen us leading against the Steelers at halftime many, many times. And it's depressing how few of those games we ended up winning.
1:06:35 btw...that 2nd ravens superbowl was the season art modell passed away, the Baltimore jerseys had an "art" conmemorative circle sewed in So...in the year browns fans could finally say "good riddance" so such a maligned person...the team he ripped away from them gets to send him off with a super bowl win...
This is better then Wikipedia and very entertaining with your channel. If I had to read this all of this info it would have put me to sleep, love the effort awesome work ❤😊
I was a browns fan before Deshaun Watson was signed. It pains me to see how well baker played and how good the browns team is. They keep baker and I think this past season would’ve been great
@@jojijoestar7233 yes, 1 game, on a bad team, vs a bad team. Notice how people always point to that rams game, but never mention any of the 5 games he played after that. Also, nobody mentions how he was so bad with the panthers, that they released him mid-season. PJ Walker and Sam Darnold arguably played better. He’s fun to watch and to root for, absolutely. But he was not worth extending. Hes never gonna win a SB unless he’s the backup on a team that does. He’s too inconsistent. Since the Bucs are expecting to go farther this season, what they should expect is 8-9 or another 9-8 season with disappointing results.
The Browns did have a franchise QB, and they completely ruined his confidence, rushed him back from injury, gave him four head coaches in four seasons, and then dumped him for Deshaun Watson. Baker Mayfield was the best QB that the Browns have had since Bernie Kosar, and they know it. Look at what he did in Tampa Bay last year, he went to a franchise that just saw Tom Brady retire, and he took that team to the playoffs and was within one drive of getting to the NFC Championship Game. If they kept Baker and then drafted Chris Olave and Will Anderson the next year, and found depth on offense and defense without giving up major draft capital they would be legitimate Super Bowl Contenders. Haslam better thank the gods for Andrew Berry or else he'd be getting mocked at even more than he is.
When this many QBs fail, you KNOW it isn't the QB... It's the ineptitude around him making it nearly impossible to succeed. Baker is in the process of making that abundantly clear.
Gosh I've really spent 10 years rooting for the Browns already. I was just Browns curious at first but that Ravens field goal block loss was what cemented me as a Browns fan. Even now as I wish no success for Deshaun Watson I still root for the Browns
Otto Graham was 107-17-5 as a starter for the Browns, and won 7 titles.. lol.. Trust me, people, in 50 years they won’t know how to slice bread!.. Smh..
In the 1960's and maybe into the 70's, they had a QB named 'Ryan' ... I can't think of his first name now ... but he lasted a handful of years ... Jim Brown was the FB in those days.
It's simply a matter of thinking a QB can fix a team. First, you have to build a team, then go get your QB. It took a long time for the Browns to learn that and they ended the careers of some promising QB's before they got started. Sadly, they seem to have reverted to their old habits with Manziel and the mismanagement of Mayfield and are now stuck with Watson.
@@TV-fv1ih Watson was 5-1 in games he started and 4-1 in games he started and finished. Pro football is a tough business and injuries happen. And no, I'm not employed by Browns management.
Big Ben was at one point holding the most wins in the Browns stadium for like a year and a half. Thats how bad the browns qb situation was during this time
God damn a 2 hour vid lesssss goooooo. You are by far the hardest working football youtuber by far. Idk anyone making videos this long that are good every minute too. It’s easy to make something long but not good for 2 hours👏
As a Toledo native that thinks Cleveland is a cesspool...it's really interesting how popular Cleveland sports teams are compared to Cincinnati. Like I've seen so many Browns and Indians jerseys growing up, but NEVER see any repping yhe Bengals or Reds.
Nice! A two-hour TubFrog video about footballing sadness! A pleasant surprise on my sick day today. Seriously. I will alleviate my own headache today by indulging in Browns fans’ perpetual headache. *Update* it didn’t work, because I couldn’t help myself from feeling sorry for them. For those poor young men, the Browns. The broken Browns 😢
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Really pushing for that 10 minute video length, huh?
Super desperate to stretch it to the monetization length lmao
Didn’t thing anyone would call me out for this 😢
Maaaaaan he could’ve just did super bowl drought
@tubfrog I love the long videos don't listen to them!!!
@@tubfrogshameful just shameful that you could do this 😔😔😔
I'm happy Baker Mayfield resurrected his career with Tampa.
Me too
As a Bucs fan and baker fan I’m ecstatic, I really hope we can be contenders for the next few years with him
As a Browns fan me too, wish they never got rid of him
@@integratyper5137he would’ve played one more season in Cleveland, and you would’ve been calling for him to be cut or traded. The highs of the mayfield era were fun, but there’s a lot of revisionist history going on when people try and pretend he isn’t just Ryan Fitzpatrick 2
Facts
A lot of younger people aren't even aware that the original Cleveland Browns moved and became the Baltimore Ravens and then shortly after won their 1st of two Superbowls. That's gotta sting even worse.
As a ravens fan my relatives in Cleveland hate to see me coming 😂😂😂
@ericjones6651 I'm not a Browns fan, but hate the Ravens. I won a lot of money in the AFC championship game betting against the Ravens.
@@whataboutrob442 it's ok we got love for the haters too
Don’t act like they moved the owner was a terrible businessman and the only reason he was able to even move the team was because he had a few connections in Baltimore
@@Tbertleff I don't have to act like they moved. THEY DID MOVE! Take your meds bro.
So my mom’s sister married a Clevelander about 30 years ago, so not inly did she and her kids have to experience this exercise in misery, but my uncle actually worked in the law firm that Art Modell used to move the team. That’s something he will never get over, even if he lives to see a Browns Super Bowl
Being a part of the move that killed your team has to be something that haunts you as a fan.
Moms sister= aunt
I’m a Clevelander we gonna see an Browns Super Bowl mark my words
@@durandparkerjr9502 as long as you guys can somehow get someone better than Watson sometime soon, sure
69th like baby! Woo!!!!
I honestly can’t believe you missed out on Peyton hillis in 2010, being a random fullback who had the 1000 yard season
missed out on several valid points, but this is a video to dog them
He was on the cover of MADDEN for christ sake. The dude was a beast. 100% agree
Its a video of QB failures. FB turned HB doesnt really fit the description.
@@rainwhenidie6666 shocker, you can change the title of TH-cam videos. Almost like that wasn’t the name when it originally came out
Hes writing on a whiteboard for the ENTIRE video with the list of QBs who started for the Browns. Anyone with a working brain can understand what he was going for.
As a browns fan I was conflicted with emotions upon seeing this notification, however, no words of any language could possibly describe the fear and dread I experienced upon seeing the length of this video, I feel as the patriot fan in their video, but I have no pride, only shame and sadness with the occasional glimmer of hope that persists just long enough to be ripped away in the most painful way possible. I know I will weep in this video
Be positive my friend. We have at least been pretty competitive the past 4-5 years. We have our coach… do we have our Quarterback?? We’ll find out after this next season. If Watson doesn’t stay healthy (or plays terrible), there will be riots in Cleveland lol.
Hey at least people outside of brown fan give a shit about them. If brown pulled off superbowl win non Cleveland fan would be celebrating. Unlike jet no one outside of New York give a shit
dude! stop it,. have some faith g-d damnit! DAWG CHECK! lol
Baker Mayfield is my favorite QB that isn’t on any team I root for.
Did you know that?
The Cleveland Browns have over 40 quarterbacks in the last 20 years since they returned in 1999. That is the same years since the Tom Brady era.
Plus one.
Packers have had 3 in 30 years
@@bobbysbreakdowns Are you telling me that ONLY three QB's ever started a game for the Packers in 30 years? Most of these "starting" QB's were one game starts for some reason or another.
You mentioned the browns missing the chance to draft Big Ben in 2004 but you left out the best part. Not only did he go to their hated rival the Steelers but he also won 2 superbowls and until Baker Mayfield had the most wins of any quarterback in the browns stadium. He absolutely tortured browns fans for almost two decades
I literally was sitting there yelling at the TV to draft him..from Ohio, big, good arm....nope they totally missed...ridiculous
Also missed that Trent Dilfer was the starting QB for the Ravens in their first super bowl win lol
The Browns' quarterback situation is an ongoing living meme
A Greek tragedy. They actually found their guy, but they focused on what he couldn’t do instead of what he actually did, played him injured, scapegoated him, and then swapped him for a serial sex offender.
@@warlordofbritannia too bad he wasn't really a sex offender and women just wanted his money it was never proven many of the women were proven to be lying. Watson did fall off tho i won't lie about that
NFL Network did a Top 10 on worst free agent signings, and they mentioned Jeff Garcia on it. And then someone pointed out after leaving Cleveland, he managed to take Philadelphia and Tampa Bay to the playoffs before remarking, "Bless you, Cleveland, you just have that effect on people."
@@maxxjapan619 🤣🤣
@@johnomalley7211He was definitely a real sex offender.
I don't need to watch this video. I lived this life. I'll still watch though...
Literally pained me to watch this
As someone who has liven in Cleveland for all my 23 years of life. Although this entire video was incredibly well done, I despise your existence for reminding me just how disappointing our entire organization is….
Meh post '99 wasn't so good, but plenty of old history to be proud of. And TBH, you can actually be pretty proud of the continuity that this team actually has now. Trust in AB.
All three NFL teams who suffered winless seasons had a future Hall of Fame on their roster.
'76 Buccaneers: LeRoy Selmon
'08 Lions: Calvin Johnson
'16 Browns: Joe Thomas
Just goes to show you really need more than one good player.
The Browns winless season was 17. I think he was still there though so your point is still valid.
@@RBSmada You're right, it was '17. But, yeah, they went winless even with a Hall of Famer.
Football's a tricky game. And yet me getting dates correct is even trickier.
As a niner fan, I think they should be next. 3 SB losses within the last 15 years is impressive and disappointing 😂
Oh there time will come
I think we have to wait a few years for that. They might not be done yet
In the '70s, it was the Vikings. In the '80s, the Broncos. In the '90s, the Bills. There haven't been a lot of repeat losers close in time since then-the Patriots lost three times across 11 years, but they also won 6, so that's not really a mark of futility. The 49ers are about the "best" we get in the 32-team, salary-cap era.
I feel for you guys. Kyle Shanahan was my teams OC in the ridiculous 28-3 BS. I do feel a little less pain knowing that at least a small portion of that blown lead can now safely fall on his shoulders.
@@TheMILVSCR
Imagine if Kyle just ran the ball with the lead in any of his 3 Superbowl losses as OC or HC
As a browns fan I can confidently say that depression no longer affects me.
Depression HATES This One Trick…
This is like watching a car accident for 2 hours that you have already experienced every day for 25 years and I love it!
"Went on to draft two Hall Of Famers....Jonathan Ogden and O.J. Simpson."
I'm fuckin dead
Both HOF murderers I could see the mistake lol.
*Only Ray Lewis didn't murder anyone.*
@@bigkev9539according to him
@@bigkev9539 he was complicit in one
@@YOSSARIAN313
*No. His friends stabbed the other two guys after them and their enteroge instigated a brawl with Ray Lewis and his then friends that night. Even though it was determined to be self-defense, he lied to try to cover for his two friends (aka "obstruction of justice").*
6:52 OJ SIMPSON is crazy
im mean one got away frm murder and the other kill bc his wife cheated on him but put aside both hof
Just a missing white suit
But smart enough to hire the best lawyers money 🤑 could buy, and then stiff the best one. (Cochran)
That was wild. It took a second for me to get it. That was some savagery. Well played sir, well played.
@@ryane5483 same
Jeez i fell asleep watching BrandonPerna and while waking up to this great vid, great thing man
The only reason I knew Delhomne was a Brown was because I am a Panthers fan and I remember being heartbroken at age 11 when he went to Cleveland
Holy shit a fellow panthers fan.
As a Browns fan that has been through it since the 80's, I know the pain. The saying, 'There is always next year.' was thrown around a lot through the years but the dedicated Browns fans will always show up for games.
Woahhhhhh a 2 hour video?!?! This is bouta be great
The team move was a wake-up call for my NFL fandom. On the cusp of 18, it made me grow up and abandon all emotional ties to a football team as an extension of my personality. Watching football without the childish emotions of a favorite team feels good.
I love this 1 or 2 hr long videos. I clean my place while listening to Tubfrog and it makes cleaning go so much faster.
I BEEN WAITING ALL DAY FOR THIS TO DROP PAPA FROG THANK YOU
Seeing a 2Hr Tubfrog video in the sub feed and you just know it’s boutta be an absolute banger
Baker winning in the postseason with the buccs, and having his best season, while the team they gave all those picks to beat them is the best bit of Karma in NFL history.
@@Kevin-ws6bl Why'd ya ask?
It really wasn’t. The browns were injured to hell so their legitimate hopes ended when Deshaun went out for the season after the ravens game. So the fact that they were even there after all of their injuries, coming out of the hardest division, and having to start 5 QBs total was an achievement, and proved the team is bought in to the front office and what they have going. If that’s supposed to be bad karma, then it wasn’t bad in the slightest.
@christiancorley4309 quit coping. The Browns are screwed because Deshaun Watson has been terrible and his cap hit will be way higher. Unless Watson starts playing like an elite quarterback the Browns aren’t getting close to a super bowl
@@mylespoun9709 before you try an make any blanket statement about the browns and cap, please go listen to/read pieces from Jack Duffin. He’s a cap expert who’s followed the browns for years, and he’ll help you learn how the cap actually works, so you can not regurgitate the same talking points that other people have, when talking about the browns’ and how they operate.
@@mylespoun9709 imho they had 3 chances. the drive, the fumble, and 2020.
A video like this for the Cowboys since Jerry bought the team would slap
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Baker Mayfield going to the Browns was the best and the worst thing that could have happened. On one end, he was the perfect jolt for that franchise and could have had more playoff chances with that team. But on the other end, his immaturity and playing through that devastating injury that he had to his non-throwing shoulder really cost him his job there. I really think Cleveland should have just shut him down after the Texans game when he got hurt.
I think they would have, but he got medically cleared to play, and it was a contract year. I bet they let him make that decision
@@christiancorley4309 But, you can see before and after the torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder, along with re-aggravating it a few weeks later, that his throwing mechanics were screwed up and it costed the team multiple games to miss the playoffs.
@@manzac112True but the browns are also a cursed franchise as Baker was cooking on the Bucks.
This is where the team didn’t save Baker from himself. Football players are going to want to play, period. Where it’s his non-throwing shoulder, ok, give Baker 2-3 games to see if he can still go. After a few weeks though, it’s obvious he’s not the same player and the team needs to step in and say “Thanks Bake, but you’re not the same player with only one arm. You’re done, go get surgery.”
@@manzac112 his mechanics weren’t that screwed up. He was still able to throw and insisted on doing it. He’d have a few inaccurate passes here and there, but most of his issues came from playing outside of Stefanski’s system. Getting baited easily by robber, being late to reads, etc. Quincy Carrier did a film review of him that points this out.
Me seeing that Seneca Wallace is now like 13 qb's back and then aging 40 years. Me remembering the jersey was originally Tim Couch's and instantly turn to dust.
Bernie Kosar was a franchise quarterback.
I've been checking this channel day in and day out for weeks, and finally... A NEW UPLOAD! ❤❤
As an outsider that Deshaun Watson trade is still baffles me
Kellen Winslow gave off more Aaron Hernandez vibes then Aaron Hernandez
I have to say, I will always respect Hue Jackson for doing the plunge liked he promised
Until Watson is gone, I hope the browns accomplish nothing
And if they do with Watson, what are gonna say?
@@IllMatic97 I see you in the comments defending Watson, so I’m not gonna say anything to you weirdo
Okay racist
@@kjsdpgijnThis has nothing to do with racism. It's about Deshaun Watson being another Ben Rothlisberger.
You don't need to hope.
When they got going again in 1999 everyone knew it’d be a while before they found their footing. Never imagined that 25 years later they’d still be at square one. And of course the old Browns have been thriving from the jump in Baltimore.
Baker Mayfield was a decent QB with a bad season and the Browns chucked him aside because they dont know what a starting QB, even if they arent the best, is worth
Agreed, and what surprised me most was that a lot of the fans seemed happy with the move at the time. Oooof
@@ROMBomb001baker was very polarizing some people loved him and others hated him both for good reason.
The problem with baker is that although he is an average to slightly below average QB (if you just average his years together) he has these peaks and valleys
2019, 2021,2022 he was objectively a bottom 5 QB in the sport
2020 and 2023 he was 10-12. 2018 he was about 12-15.
And also regardless of good coaching or good players around him he will still have these issues. He’s just so inconsistent that the browns didn’t feel his highs were good enough to justify the lows and tbh I agree considering we’re not looking to just be a playoff team and maybe win a game… we wanna try and win a chip and even at bakers peak I don’t think he will be able to do that (look at 2020)
I'd have to say this video rivals "Days of Our Steelers" as the best long football documentary I've seen on TH-cam.
Old Chiefs fan here, I watched nearly 50 years of heartache and failure, a little different because often they were good enough just to not get high draft picks. It's hard to imagine getting a top 5 pick every year and not hitting a winner at least by accident.
Was watching the dynasty documentary and realized something. Belichick benched kosar and it led to turmoil for the qb position for the browns till, well i guess joe flacco. He benched bledsoe and it led to the Patriots dynasty. An eye for an eye.
Baker was and is good too but we screwed that up
I was mid-drink when hearing the Ray Lewis joke, spit it out involuntarily and choked with uncontrollable laughter
I think I actually creid after the couldn't resist the Kokinis line. Great vid
The fact that they got rid of baker Mayfield after he brought more success to the franchise then they'd seen in years and signed Watson, surrounded by controversy and gave him a massive contract for Joe Flacco to come in and do more for them off the couch then Watson has is the most Brown's story ever 😂
For real I was so happy that Deshaun Watson was terrible. Also, it made me even more happy that Baker Mayfield found success on a team that has way less talent than the Browns
In 2016, duke Johnson, while actively holding the football, gave up a fumble because the refs gave a phantom fumble recovery to the Washington [redscted].
yeah ppl just enjoy dogging them, they fail to mention them openly being screwed year after year after year. the NFL comes out with an average of 6 stories a season about how wrong calls were made against the Browns and literally cost them the game.
The amount of greed in this organization is insane, my whole world shattered when I saw that we traded Baker Mayfield. I wanted to give him one more year, he was playing through injury in his last year in Cleveland, and the disrespect our management showed this man out the door by trading for Groper Cleveland....I feel for Baker and I hope that Jimmy Haslem rots in hell
Well, people in Cleveland aren't the only ones who hope Haslam rots in hell. The same can be said for the Milwaukee Bucks. He turned what could have been a dynasty into the biggest organizational gong show in the NBA this year. It was he who fired Budenholzer, then fired his replacement midseason for Doc Rivers, and then traded the entire future, plus Jrue Holiday and Grayson Allen for Damian Lillard, and then gave Dame the same contract he gave Deshaun Watson. If all of this gets Giannis to leave town, Haslam will officially pass David Tepper as the worst owner in sports.
As a Lions fan, blowing a 24-7 lead in the playoffs sounds familiar…
Lions are never going to the playoffs again. Enjoy while it lasted
@@gunnercade7728 I really hope this isn’t a Browns fan talking because that would be sad
@@baseballsoffury642Detroit sports overall sucks
@@marquanmr not really. We have been better lately. Lions will be better for the next few years because of our new ownership
@@baseballsoffury642 tigers suck, pistons terrible, lions pretty good. But for the better part of the last decade, all Detroit teams been terrible.
The fact the titans came back being down 31-0 at halftime to the browns having to score a touchdown with :48 left in the game was insanity. My hatred for Vrabel started after that game.
Hot take, but Hue Jackson's winless-ness wasn't entirely his fault. He had some catastrophic luck with special teams and injuries.
I don’t know if I have seen a video by you that doesn’t feature 28-3 at any point in it. It’s amazing. 😂
As a browns fan I hate deshaun Watson so much
As a Texan fan, I really appreciate you guys
@@stebo5562 we appreciate you too. You hired incompetent ass ppl, which led to failures and your supremely talented QB who was just entering his prime, requesting a trade because he no longer wanted to play for a lying ass owner
I’m a Miami fan m, but I always root for you guys and Detroit if we don’t make it.
As A Browns fan, I feel you. I have a special place in my heart for the Dolphins and Lions.
It was nice to see all 3 make the playoffs this season.
“And OJ Simpson” lmao
As a Browns fan, I feel like I've seen us leading against the Steelers at halftime many, many times. And it's depressing how few of those games we ended up winning.
Now we got professor tub in the house.
Don't listen to these heathens. This is peak content and I don't mind the longer vids. Great stuff.
The Browns game vs the Bills at 42:24 that they lost 37-7 I was born on that very day I kid you not
Great video. Not a browns fan but loved how you did this. Would love to see one on the titans but I know that wouldn't be popular.
1:06:35 btw...that 2nd ravens superbowl was the season art modell passed away, the Baltimore jerseys had an "art" conmemorative circle sewed in
So...in the year browns fans could finally say "good riddance" so such a maligned person...the team he ripped away from them gets to send him off with a super bowl win...
"What's so good about Cleveland?"
LEAVING 😂
Otto Graham was a franchise QB
Every time the Baltimore ravens were said it caught me off guard lol I should be expecting it but every freaking time. You did a killer job with that!
Even with Deshaun Watson under centre the QB carousel will continue for the Browns.
Lop go play madden
This is better then Wikipedia and very entertaining with your channel. If I had to read this all of this info it would have put me to sleep, love the effort awesome work ❤😊
I was a browns fan before Deshaun Watson was signed. It pains me to see how well baker played and how good the browns team is. They keep baker and I think this past season would’ve been great
Baker only plays well every other year in case you haven't noticed the pattern
Baker never plays well under expectations. People thought the Bucs were gonna be in the Caleb Williams race, so on cue, he had a decent season.
@@christiancorley4309 exactly 💯 this
@@christiancorley4309I mean he had that game with the Rams where he punked the Raiders after he just signed with the team 48 hours before
@@jojijoestar7233 yes, 1 game, on a bad team, vs a bad team. Notice how people always point to that rams game, but never mention any of the 5 games he played after that. Also, nobody mentions how he was so bad with the panthers, that they released him mid-season. PJ Walker and Sam Darnold arguably played better.
He’s fun to watch and to root for, absolutely. But he was not worth extending. Hes never gonna win a SB unless he’s the backup on a team that does. He’s too inconsistent. Since the Bucs are expecting to go farther this season, what they should expect is 8-9 or another 9-8 season with disappointing results.
The Browns did have a franchise QB, and they completely ruined his confidence, rushed him back from injury, gave him four head coaches in four seasons, and then dumped him for Deshaun Watson. Baker Mayfield was the best QB that the Browns have had since Bernie Kosar, and they know it. Look at what he did in Tampa Bay last year, he went to a franchise that just saw Tom Brady retire, and he took that team to the playoffs and was within one drive of getting to the NFC Championship Game. If they kept Baker and then drafted Chris Olave and Will Anderson the next year, and found depth on offense and defense without giving up major draft capital they would be legitimate Super Bowl Contenders. Haslam better thank the gods for Andrew Berry or else he'd be getting mocked at even more than he is.
They deserve a renewed curse for giving Watson all that money
i'm surprised you didnt mention Peyton Hillis and that weird one year wonder season he had, or maybe i missed it 😂😂 Ik it's a qb video but still.
Peyton hillis not being mentioned is crazy but this is still great
This is so fricking good, youve profected your art, thank you for entertaining us for free!!!!
6:52 oj Simpson is crazy
When this many QBs fail, you KNOW it isn't the QB... It's the ineptitude around him making it nearly impossible to succeed. Baker is in the process of making that abundantly clear.
As a Vikings fan since 1996 this video gets me cracking up laughing every single time I've watched it like 100 times I swear to God it doesn't get old
u a top youtuber not even just in the sports world u do fantastic recaps of 20 years of time it’s impressive stuff
Gosh I've really spent 10 years rooting for the Browns already. I was just Browns curious at first but that Ravens field goal block loss was what cemented me as a Browns fan. Even now as I wish no success for Deshaun Watson I still root for the Browns
Woke up with a hangover to see this on my feed.
Worth it.
Don't forget that wynn was selected 2 picks ahead of this guy named Tom Brady
Tubfrog the only one who can put out hr vids and keep my attention. Keep doing you homie
This video is so long, yet it's well done, ive commented too much.
This was a great video. You have a great way of putting this information together.
Otto Graham was 107-17-5 as a starter for the Browns, and won 7 titles.. lol..
Trust me, people, in 50 years they won’t know how to slice bread!.. Smh..
Bernie Kosar exists too, though he wasn't a great by any stretch
TWO. HOURS. Hell yes! Just got off of work. Got some grub. Got some beer. Got a great video to watch!
Lol great one
Ever heard of Ed Reed 😂😂
Talented TH-camr
This was the fastest 2 hours ever, great documentary man!!
you turn my frown into a smile tubby
Every Browns fan remembers every name 😭🤣
As a Steelers fan it is heart warming to see baker doing well.
In the 1960's and maybe into the 70's, they had a QB named 'Ryan' ... I can't think of his first name now ... but he lasted a handful of years ... Jim Brown was the FB in those days.
Frank Ryan
I lost it with the Thanos clip around the twenty minute mark😂
It's simply a matter of thinking a QB can fix a team. First, you have to build a team, then go get your QB. It took a long time for the Browns to learn that and they ended the careers of some promising QB's before they got started. Sadly, they seem to have reverted to their old habits with Manziel and the mismanagement of Mayfield and are now stuck with Watson.
*Thank you!*
*Say it louder for the people in the back!*
Yet, they won 11 games with 5 different starting QB's in 2023. way to revisit history ignoramus!
@@jojowhite9296 Yes, proving its not the QB and yet they will keep Watson and let go most of the five. You must work for Browns management!
@@TV-fv1ih Watson was 5-1 in games he started and 4-1 in games he started and finished. Pro football is a tough business and injuries happen. And no, I'm not employed by Browns management.
@@jojowhite9296 Agreed, but at appox. 9.2 million a win or 7.6 a start, most teams wouldn't be happy with that, except maybe the Jets or Broncos!
Still can’t believe that the Browns won’t keep Flacco
Big Ben was at one point holding the most wins in the Browns stadium for like a year and a half. Thats how bad the browns qb situation was during this time
I can always count on the Browns to make me feel better about my team's Quarterback situation.
God damn a 2 hour vid lesssss goooooo. You are by far the hardest working football youtuber by far. Idk anyone making videos this long that are good every minute too. It’s easy to make something long but not good for 2 hours👏
😂😂😂
Far from a Browns fan, but I remember all those names
As a Toledo native that thinks Cleveland is a cesspool...it's really interesting how popular Cleveland sports teams are compared to Cincinnati.
Like I've seen so many Browns and Indians jerseys growing up, but NEVER see any repping yhe Bengals or Reds.
Tennessee Titans winning in the final week to stop a team from reaching the playoffs.... surely that'll be a one time thing
Nice! A two-hour TubFrog video about footballing sadness! A pleasant surprise on my sick day today. Seriously. I will alleviate my own headache today by indulging in Browns fans’ perpetual headache.
*Update* it didn’t work, because I couldn’t help myself from feeling sorry for them. For those poor young men, the Browns. The broken Browns 😢
Detmer won the Heisman. Detmer was thrown to the Wolfe's as well as Couch that first year in Cleveland.
Im loving these longer videos bro. Keep it up
Please bro ... no more f this stupidity!