I've been artifact hunting for over 35yrs and have boxes of the scrappers exactly like the ones shown here and do agree on those but have to disagree on the points and notches for finger holds..here in western Pa anyhow there's no possible way the notches could be used as finger holds the notches to ear are far to small to hold for any leverage ..good video and keep thinking out of the box that is how science advances..👍
Extend your working hand out in front of you. Flatten your hand with the palm up. Now allow your fingers to relax, and let your hand close naturally. Your hand is now in a position to hold something ergonomically. It’s been my observation that this guy is onto something. The ridges and bumps create little spots of friction for a no slip grip. I’ve also noticed that this grip means you can hold a sharp object without cutting yourself. I’ve been observing this for years and have gotten to the point I can identify whether or not a tool has a left hand hold, or a right hand hold without even picking up the stone. I’ve also noticed on a lot of the so-called arrowheads that I’ve collected that they have one edge that is worn more than the other indicating that it may have been used more like a knife.
What about atlatl weights and spear throwers thousands have been found also the blades found in dry caves still haftted . I find lots of stemmed points with the stem snapped off where they were tied to handles.
Chad Klaren hey man that’s a good one, I also loved your comment about chasing deer till they died then pulling out your finger tools. I love thinking outside the box , but the guy in this video is talking some unrealistic stuff .
It would be very interesting to have included on video a demonstration of you holding the various tools as you imagine them being used. I find your theory very interesting.
Some bad theories here... thumbnail scrapers were used as described, but not every flake was utilized. Side notched, bottom notched, stemmed, etc, were knives and spears. They were designed to be hafted and were. Too much over thinking here has led to some bad theories.
Several of my points which came from Dent County Missouri have no notch or hefting for a handle at all. I never could figure out why until recently when I realized the glassy smooth spots on the points were clearly spots where a finger had been placed over and over. One point I have has 3 spots that are glassy smooth and fits the thumb on one side and 2 fingers on the other side PERFECTLY with the left hand. There is no doubt its a finger cutting tool used by a left handed individual. Once I discovered this I've had to re examine every point I have and 80% of them have these super smooth glass surface spots where there is no doubt fingers had been on the stone for many many hours of use. I see your getting flamed for pointing this out but the whole point in studying this stuff is to go where the evidence leads us. People are so arrogant that they never think anything new can be learned and everything has already been figured out. Just like they expect us to believe ancient people moved rocks around that are so large modern equipment couldn't move them, fit them all perfectly level, and drill holes with machine precision. Of course this was all done with stone axes and donkeys!! Yea we have lots to learn!
Jonny thanks for your thoughts, glad you put your fingers on the stone tools because that is were the facts can be read as you did! Lenny, call if you wish. 207-746-9212
@@arctoshorriblis that is a good point but I don’t think so. Natural erosion wouldn’t create the perfectly glass smooth spots that fit exactly with human fingertips and leave the rest rough.
I would strongly agree with your assessment of uniface scrapers. Most were unhafted. The uniface was used because of its steep edge angle which would scrape rather than cut hides. I would strongly disagree with your assessment of side noticed points. They were definitely noticed in order to be hafted. There is no reason to notch a point if you are not going to haft it. You are over thinking the situation and just speculating with no real world experience,no historical record and no scientific analysis.
Most points have a curve because the maker starter with a large flake with a curve in at as it came of the core. Few were hand held. Most " arrowheads 3 inches and longer were knives. "Bird"points are true arrow points with the 1.5 to 2.5 inch points dart points. Notches are what the Indian used to haft the point or knives. It is all about what was most efficient and prehistoric people that survived for 13,000 yeas, of which the last 1,000 years included the bow. I have seen a few hafted artifacts and the arrow points or dart points were made so the stem or distance between side notched points were exactly the same diameter as the shaft or arrow point or arrow point.
Correct on uniface tools but dead wrong on arrowheads , your theory holds no ground when verses with the historical evidence of spears still attached to points and arrowheads hefted in antler, bone, and wood
ideas are ok. Of course we have now fluent historical data. These people we're much more intelligent than most expected. atlatl and feathered arrows existed alongside mammoth kills & mechanical bellowed blowers and furnaces were made are still made practices in many areas remain to this day. This is a simple man cornered in His stubborn positions. THIS is why we have higher education partnerships & study. He's wrong of course..knowing this with confidence is not ivy league tho 😂😆. Ohh boy
Franklin is correct. some scraper tools and key shaped drills were definitely used in the hands but if it has the tail fins it was made to be hefted. most "arrowheads" are actually knife blades that were hefted to a piece of antler or wood. actual projectile points are much smaller (under an inch). There is a very cool video on here where a guy makes a indian piece pipe using stone tools. you can see how the key shaped drills were actually used. the video is called: Peace Pipe (calumet)
Great points! No pun intended. I agree to be more open minded with tools even though there had to be hundreds of arrows, atladles, and spears this is still a great observation. I'd also like to add that science and biblical archeology has proven the earth has in fact only been around about 6000 years and that most artifacts in the Americas are only about 2k to 3k years old and what we find is probably only 300 to 1000 years old. That's what I think so traditions probably changed rapidly if any. My theory.
Your videos are the most informative I’ve ever seen. I’m doing research into Native American effigies right now. I’m planning to write a book probably titled a study in need of American effigies.
I partially agree... Interesting theory. I don't believe many of the points over an inch were mounted on arrows. However, I do believe that many larger points were mounted on a large shaft to be used as a weapon or hunting tool. To agree with your theory, I do agree that a lot of "arrowhead" styles were not in fact arrowheads, but knives and other hand tools. Thanks for your thoughts and videos. Feel free to check some of mine out. All I do is find them and don't do theory, but I do enjoy it.
OK I've only been looking into stone tool and rock carving for only a Lil over a week now and I already came up with that theory guess because I've never learn anything about it by someone else tell me any difference. But the reason I'm looking into it now is because I just so happened to see art in a rock I picked up around my house off in the woods along with some other rocks so I washed them all and clean them carefully and there was art on all of them starting out with over shape with many different face and animal but there was more then just that under good lighting and ability to zoom in close there are ancient hieroglyphs carved in such a way that it draws out the outline of the bigger art design that can actually give another outline to an other design to a larger image all on the same rock witch gives it that effect of multiple images and way they don't always get seen and just walked over is because it stone tool to fit your hand or fingers just right some are multi functioning tools like a Swiss Army knife. Okay so I've looked up and seen where some people believe in what they're seeing with in the art and other people say that it's just your eyes and Imagination playing tricks on you. OK but what about the fact that I've never seen or been told about stone carving and never seen the image before to be able to see a false image do to my imagination image that I've now learned about in this short time that been seen all over the world. I've watched video of ppl pointing out hieroglyphics cave art on large stones or walls and not actually step back and look at the hole entire Stone on wall and what it shows. I've seen the same exact shape outline with of a image with a exact face notched out in carp identical from handheld size are 10 ft tall stretched out from east to west of the United States and then some. But no one is seeing it or talking about it. (That I know of yet) and because I don't know much about Native artifacts I made it a point to prove to myself that it was not my imagination before I said anything to anybody about my theory just now.
Many of the easier designs to make and found in various locations and depths, could have been made anytime from 200 hundred to 5000 years ago. If I can copy almost any point or tool, with primitive tools only, then it could have been done by anyone , for thousands of years. Native people of the past also found points and tools by others before them, used them, copied them, modified them and everything else. So to put a particular design in a particular time frame is bogus thinking. You can only try to date a particular site or excavation.
No hafted arrowhead have been found so.many time. Récentes along glaciers. But once in camp all.these are suisse army knives youbdonwhat you want with them
I have been tool studying and I would love to collaborate with you as to these tools I believe woman made these tools and hunting tools as well and I also feel a method of creation has been lost with regard to ease and maximizing leverage to achieve the level of flaking and amounts needed to function I have one I think two different makers where making teaching how to do it and I further feel these tools were a definitive element of life and trade as well as cohesive bonds tribe to tribe as no stone of origin is found where I find the tools five hundred miles away so the warrior barbaric view until our theft of their homes wasn't as much as is said to be if you think we could discuss these theories I would love to do so I feel a great need to regain the art is needed you must look back to go forward or there is no forward to go to thanks for your video I don't feel so dumb or alone in my quest for the truth
Thanks for your interest in digging out the truth about the past Edwin! You can call me at home if you wish, my no. is 207-746-9212. Keep moving forward! Lenny Murphy
What about all the examples of arrowheads that are found still attached to the arrow? Or the ones found in conjunction with their kills?
I have been looking and collecting arrowheads for over 62 years. I don't believe half of what you say is correct. I know better.
I agree. Notching is for hafting. For projectile points or knives. Why waste time chipping intricate notches when a simple flake will do the job?
I've been artifact hunting for over 35yrs and have boxes of the scrappers exactly like the ones shown here and do agree on those but have to disagree on the points and notches for finger holds..here in western Pa anyhow there's no possible way the notches could be used as finger holds the notches to ear are far to small to hold for any leverage ..good video and keep thinking out of the box that is how science advances..👍
Extend your working hand out in front of you. Flatten your hand with the palm up. Now allow your fingers to relax, and let your hand close naturally. Your hand is now in a position to hold something ergonomically. It’s been my observation that this guy is onto something. The ridges and bumps create little spots of friction for a no slip grip. I’ve also noticed that this grip means you can hold a sharp object without cutting yourself. I’ve been observing this for years and have gotten to the point I can identify whether or not a tool has a left hand hold, or a right hand hold without even picking up the stone. I’ve also noticed on a lot of the so-called arrowheads that I’ve collected that they have one edge that is worn more than the other indicating that it may have been used more like a knife.
What about atlatl weights and spear throwers thousands have been found also the blades found in dry caves still haftted . I find lots of stemmed points with the stem snapped off where they were tied to handles.
Also try scrapping an elk hide with your fingers and no handle. You’ll throw out your theory quicker than you throw down that scrapper
I will get no logical response for the uses I’ve claimed are fact
I’ll give you my email address so you’ll know where to send my 500 bucks 😊😁💰
Chad Klaren hey man that’s a good one, I also loved your comment about chasing deer till they died then pulling out your finger tools. I love thinking outside the box , but the guy in this video is talking some unrealistic stuff .
It would be very interesting to have included on video a demonstration of you holding the various tools as you imagine them being used. I find your theory very interesting.
Some bad theories here... thumbnail scrapers were used as described, but not every flake was utilized. Side notched, bottom notched, stemmed, etc, were knives and spears. They were designed to be hafted and were. Too much over thinking here has led to some bad theories.
Several of my points which came from Dent County Missouri have no notch or hefting for a handle at all. I never could figure out why until recently when I realized the glassy smooth spots on the points were clearly spots where a finger had been placed over and over. One point I have has 3 spots that are glassy smooth and fits the thumb on one side and 2 fingers on the other side PERFECTLY with the left hand. There is no doubt its a finger cutting tool used by a left handed individual. Once I discovered this I've had to re examine every point I have and 80% of them have these super smooth glass surface spots where there is no doubt fingers had been on the stone for many many hours of use. I see your getting flamed for pointing this out but the whole point in studying this stuff is to go where the evidence leads us. People are so arrogant that they never think anything new can be learned and everything has already been figured out. Just like they expect us to believe ancient people moved rocks around that are so large modern equipment couldn't move them, fit them all perfectly level, and drill holes with machine precision. Of course this was all done with stone axes and donkeys!! Yea we have lots to learn!
Jonny thanks for your thoughts, glad you put your fingers on the stone tools because that is were the facts can be read as you did! Lenny, call if you wish. 207-746-9212
Or mostlikely erosion is the culprit of the smooth part of the blade
@@arctoshorriblis that is a good point but I don’t think so. Natural erosion wouldn’t create the perfectly glass smooth spots that fit exactly with human fingertips and leave the rest rough.
@@JohnnyRebKy how do you know? Did you conduct any studies?
I would strongly agree with your assessment of uniface scrapers. Most were unhafted. The uniface was used because of its steep edge angle which would scrape rather than cut hides. I would strongly disagree with your assessment of side noticed points. They were definitely noticed in order to be hafted. There is no reason to notch a point if you are not going to haft it. You are over thinking the situation and just speculating with no real world experience,no historical record and no scientific analysis.
Most points have a curve because the maker starter with a large flake with a curve in at as it came of the core. Few were hand held. Most " arrowheads 3 inches and longer were knives. "Bird"points are true arrow points with the 1.5 to 2.5 inch points dart points. Notches are what the Indian used to haft the point or knives. It is all about what was most efficient and prehistoric people that survived for 13,000 yeas, of which the last 1,000 years included the bow. I have seen a few hafted artifacts and the arrow points or dart points were made so the stem or distance between side notched points were exactly the same diameter as the shaft or arrow point or arrow point.
Not physical evidence but physical theory.
All these sharpened points would have been dangerous to use without being hafted.
Correct on uniface tools but dead wrong on arrowheads , your theory holds no ground when verses with the historical evidence of spears still attached to points and arrowheads hefted in antler, bone, and wood
I believe that there's quite a bit of reworking damaged or worn tools and points
Well ...if the finger fits 😂
How do you read them if they're in a foreign language?
Plenty side notches u cant get your fingers on or push a small ones da
ideas are ok. Of course we have now fluent historical data. These people we're much more intelligent than most expected. atlatl and feathered arrows existed alongside mammoth kills & mechanical bellowed blowers and furnaces were made are still made practices in many areas remain to this day. This is a simple man cornered in His stubborn positions. THIS is why we have higher education partnerships & study. He's wrong of course..knowing this with confidence is not ivy league tho 😂😆. Ohh boy
Franklin is correct. some scraper tools and key shaped drills were definitely used in the hands but if it has the tail fins it was made to be hefted. most "arrowheads" are actually knife blades that were hefted to a piece of antler or wood. actual projectile points are much smaller (under an inch). There is a very cool video on here where a guy makes a indian piece pipe using stone tools. you can see how the key shaped drills were actually used. the video is called: Peace Pipe (calumet)
Dude claims to know exactly who made a tool. Pretty silly.
Another fine lesson in Idiocracy ya doofus, thanks for the (mis) information
A great way to learn the finer “points” of your theory is to learn flint knapping. Give it a try.
Great points! No pun intended. I agree to be more open minded with tools even though there had to be hundreds of arrows, atladles, and spears this is still a great observation. I'd also like to add that science and biblical archeology has proven the earth has in fact only been around about 6000 years and that most artifacts in the Americas are only about 2k to 3k years old and what we find is probably only 300 to 1000 years old. That's what I think so traditions probably changed rapidly if any. My theory.
China begs to differ. And all of science. Try reading more than one book.
Only one book matters@@canadiangemstones7636
Your videos are the most informative I’ve ever seen. I’m doing research into Native American effigies right now. I’m planning to write a book probably titled a study in need of American effigies.
Check out Paleo Mountain Vermont to see effigy stones.
Incredible white quartz.
@@paleomountainman9824 Link please.
It's called atlatal and darts side notch finger points
Your showing a drill.it not a finger tool.most of the time
Fascinating theory and likely truths...
I partially agree... Interesting theory. I don't believe many of the points over an inch were mounted on arrows. However, I do believe that many larger points were mounted on a large shaft to be used as a weapon or hunting tool. To agree with your theory, I do agree that a lot of "arrowhead" styles were not in fact arrowheads, but knives and other hand tools. Thanks for your thoughts and videos. Feel free to check some of mine out. All I do is find them and don't do theory, but I do enjoy it.
Atl atls. I agree with you on that point, arrowheads up to an inch, atl-atl points being longer
Can you please look at my artifacts.
From the Delaware River. Lenape tribe.
Lots of effigies. Celts points .more.
OK I've only been looking into stone tool and rock carving for only a Lil over a week now and I already came up with that theory guess because I've never learn anything about it by someone else tell me any difference. But the reason I'm looking into it now is because I just so happened to see art in a rock I picked up around my house off in the woods along with some other rocks so I washed them all and clean them carefully and there was art on all of them starting out with over shape with many different face and animal but there was more then just that under good lighting and ability to zoom in close there are ancient hieroglyphs carved in such a way that it draws out the outline of the bigger art design that can actually give another outline to an other design to a larger image all on the same rock witch gives it that effect of multiple images and way they don't always get seen and just walked over is because it stone tool to fit your hand or fingers just right some are multi functioning tools like a Swiss Army knife. Okay so I've looked up and seen where some people believe in what they're seeing with in the art and other people say that it's just your eyes and Imagination playing tricks on you. OK but what about the fact that I've never seen or been told about stone carving and never seen the image before to be able to see a false image do to my imagination image that I've now learned about in this short time that been seen all over the world. I've watched video of ppl pointing out hieroglyphics cave art on large stones or walls and not actually step back and look at the hole entire Stone on wall and what it shows. I've seen the same exact shape outline with of a image with a exact face notched out in carp identical from handheld size are 10 ft tall stretched out from east to west of the United States and then some. But no one is seeing it or talking about it. (That I know of yet) and because I don't know much about Native artifacts I made it a point to prove to myself that it was not my imagination before I said anything to anybody about my theory just now.
What kind of art?
It is your imagination.
Many of the easier designs to make and found in various locations and depths, could have been made anytime from 200 hundred to 5000 years ago. If I can copy almost any point or tool, with primitive tools only, then it could have been done by anyone , for thousands of years. Native people of the past also found points and tools by others before them, used them, copied them, modified them and everything else.
So to put a particular design in a particular time frame is bogus thinking. You can only try to date a particular site or excavation.
Very cool
No
No hafted arrowhead have been found so.many time. Récentes along glaciers. But once in camp all.these are suisse army knives youbdonwhat you want with them
Excellent theory
Horrible theory actually.
Hello good video
I have been tool studying and I would love to collaborate with you as to these tools I believe woman made these tools and hunting tools as well and I also feel a method of creation has been lost with regard to ease and maximizing leverage to achieve the level of flaking and amounts needed to function I have one I think two different makers where making teaching how to do it and I further feel these tools were a definitive element of life and trade as well as cohesive bonds tribe to tribe as no stone of origin is found where I find the tools five hundred miles away so the warrior barbaric view until our theft of their homes wasn't as much as is said to be if you think we could discuss these theories I would love to do so I feel a great need to regain the art is needed you must look back to go forward or there is no forward to go to thanks for your video I don't feel so dumb or alone in my quest for the truth
Thanks for your interest in digging out the truth about the past Edwin! You can call me at home if you wish, my no. is 207-746-9212. Keep moving forward! Lenny Murphy
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