There was actually more girls that got sent home that the documentary did not show. If you go back and watch it, you can see there are a few other girls who had no screen time other than being in background. Eventually we stopped seeing them and can only assume that they were removed before the survival show started.
What's even funnier now, Missy Just admitted on a Weverse newsletter, that T&D rehearsal wasn't mandatory. REHEARSAL WASN'T MANDATORY.......once again Rehearsals WASN'T MANDATORY ..... So, what was the real reason why they hated on Manon? We know why, but I want to know the new excuse...
Yeah you can see how different Iland and RUNext a Hybe runned survival show that created Enhypen and Illit compare to Dream Academy a collab between Hybe and Geffen a show format that was really boring as it only showed performance clips and not the typical 1 hour video that shows the contestants practicing and showing their personalities in screen that usually shows in kpop shows
with adela we did get to see her on screen a ton and then to be eliminated that was out of nowhere. but i get it.. it in no way means she isnt great at what she does. she definitely has that "it" factor. i think with the contestants they had to choose from visually she didnt blend in if that makes sense like missy said "adela is a solo artist"
I just wish they'd done something to support that happening... and if they really had other reasons (besides the cruel things the fans were saying) that they'd shared them... I really hope she gets signed soon! She's awesome!
it was nayoung, 21, who already went through a survival show. yoonchae, 15, was a trainee for another company (not sure if this was hybe). I don't deny that manon was not putting in the effort as much as the rest of the girls, but i don't think she would have kept it up if she got a true lashing from the management. it seems like a lot of people were irked with her, but did not really confront her aside from maybe sophia. even some of the girls who went into this program with wide eyes did not know the extent to how much a kpop trainee trains. perhaps the trainer sent to switzerland gave her an impression of training that did not align with how the one in LA was run. I may be very defensive of manon here but i just can't believe she would be intentionally disrespectful if any authority really called her out. she may have been the prettiest, but there were other gorgeous girls there as well. and cosmetic procedures are a thing in the western entertainment agency just as much as in kpop. they kicked out a 3rd place nayoung because they were afraid she would not be fully committed to the group in favor of going solo. I don't think it was so one-sided as to assign all the blame on manon i also feel like you have a very rosy idea of what goes into a kpop group and how survival groups (which field uber-successful groups in korea) are put together. i would not say that sisterhood is part of how a group is formed by the company. there is an image, a market, and positions that execs have in mind when choosing girls. if you want it bad enough you will put your differences aside with a girl you do not really vibe with. and by not showing the "reality" part of dream academy i guess the execs really wanted to see how on-stage performance would sway audiences first and foremost, seeing as that is how they will catch the attention of casual fans. throughout the entertainment industry, "live" prerecorded stages are an amalgamation of different takes and are edited. and its not that the girls are lying with their surprise at the group missions-the surprise could be for the song they were given. I'm pretty sure emily practiced buttons but was put into wannabe. on all levels the entertainment industry has never been and never will be a strict meritocracy. and while the doc brings to light pretty horrible things that were done to the girls, you cannot deny the boom of popularity the group has gone through. now that the process has been revealed, young and vulnerable artists will be more cautious going into programs like this.
Thank you for this! And thank you for pointing out those things I got wrong - everything you said makes total sense. I'm not nearly as knowledgable about K-Pop at large as others, so I was just trying to point out things I found problematic with this particular show... but you're absolutely right and those things deserve a much larger deep dive than what I did
I almost entirely agree. But nowadays variety show and other offstage content has become more important to where I think members' chemistry does matter. It may not matter to the "casual" viewer, just to get their attention, but I think it really helps to make audiences fall in love with the group. Kpop thrives not just on producing good music, but producing deeply dedicated fans. I think it depends on who was making the decisions, and what their goals were with this program. Was it just to produce reality content, or was it to make a really stellar global girl group? Where did they see the group in 2 years? 5? Did they expect the group would even still exist after 2 years?
@@ebreshea1337 i would agree with you that the longevity of a group is something the execs had in mind when putting together the group. kpop survival show groups are temporary-so mnet needed their audience to latch onto the girls quick. it got better over time towards the later produce groups, but musical/artist identity is not the priority when pushing the group to the public. katseye already has a fanbase that isn't totally kpop fans. so i support hybe/geffen in their differed approach to the survival show in lessening the "emotional" aspect of it. regular watchers of survival shows already have an idea of an idol and how they look and how they act. (i am assuming here) but i think that the only connection to kpop that katseye is going to have is the aesthetic and overall production quality. but in terms of how the girls are gonna act, i would think they would lean more towards the western pop girlies than kpop idols that don't curse or date and are squeaky clean. Missy even said in the doc that she was worried Sophia would be too straight-laced to appeal to the western market. i think the differed approach was very intentional
I'm sorry but I partially have to disagree. Manon didn't make half the effort the other girls did, and was rewarded for it. She truly didn't deserve to end up on the show. Much less the group. The reason is because she had a big following, she was allowed to act the way she did without repercussions. Whilst when Lexi needed time to think, after 4 days if Lexi hadn't decided to leave, they had already decided to kick her out anyway. So basically, because they wanted the exposure of Manon, Manon got free passes left and right whilst the rest was held to a higher standard. This is not Manon's fault, but definitely says alot about and I sure it dropped morale for the group.
You're...not wrong... I didn't go into that harder in the video because I didn't want to throw someone under the bus. But I think you're right. Manon was not treated the way the other girls were and, if this was a book I would have described her as having "plot armor." I wanted to present the facts and have people make up their own minds rather than publicly get super harsh (I know, unpopular take on TH-cam LOL), But I think you're right and it's not fair. I hope that Manon really did have a change of heart and things are better now, but I was really uncomfortable with how she was treated by the show and I, personally, was frustrated that she made the group after everything I saw.
@@ashleygriffin I hope so too, in the end this is what the group ended up being and I truly hope they have a good team morale now, Manon included. I respect that you collected the facts and based it off of that. In a way I really do agree. I have so much respect for Lexi because I do really think you were right about her being a shoe in for sure! For her to choose to stay true to her moral standards over fame, really shows you the type of person she is. I know what it's like when you realise you are not made for the world you have dreamt about being a part of, all of your life. It takes a lot of wisdom and self respect to catch it and not allow yourself to be swept up, blinded by the pink cloud that is being close to "living the dream". At such a young age, it's so admirable.
Manon was not as good as the others, but that didn't matter. We already had 2 white looking girls, and they needed to add a black girl, and Manon was the prettiest black girl on the show. Sorry Samara 😂
There was actually more girls that got sent home that the documentary did not show. If you go back and watch it, you can see there are a few other girls who had no screen time other than being in background. Eventually we stopped seeing them and can only assume that they were removed before the survival show started.
Girls were still gonna go go home regardless, only 6 could make it and it’s just the reality of the music industry
What's even funnier now, Missy Just admitted on a Weverse newsletter, that T&D rehearsal
wasn't mandatory.
REHEARSAL WASN'T MANDATORY.......once again Rehearsals WASN'T MANDATORY .....
So, what was the real reason why they hated on Manon? We know why, but I want to know the new excuse...
Interesting... thanks for sharing that, I hadn't heard...this rabbit hole just keeps going LOL
Since this was a collaboration between Geffen and Hybe I wonder if maybe they had vastly different ideas about how this process should have been done.
I think you're right... and I wonder if that conflict started to really show up like half way through the training lol
Yeah you can see how different Iland and RUNext a Hybe runned survival show that created Enhypen and Illit compare to Dream Academy a collab between Hybe and Geffen a show format that was really boring as it only showed performance clips and not the typical 1 hour video that shows the contestants practicing and showing their personalities in screen that usually shows in kpop shows
that was the only thing i didnt like was the AI delivering the elimination news that was weird and chicken-shit so to speak.
Totally! It was really creepy
with adela we did get to see her on screen a ton and then to be eliminated that was out of nowhere. but i get it.. it in no way means she isnt great at what she does. she definitely has that "it" factor. i think with the contestants they had to choose from visually she didnt blend in if that makes sense like missy said "adela is a solo artist"
I just wish they'd done something to support that happening... and if they really had other reasons (besides the cruel things the fans were saying) that they'd shared them... I really hope she gets signed soon! She's awesome!
it was nayoung, 21, who already went through a survival show. yoonchae, 15, was a trainee for another company (not sure if this was hybe). I don't deny that manon was not putting in the effort as much as the rest of the girls, but i don't think she would have kept it up if she got a true lashing from the management. it seems like a lot of people were irked with her, but did not really confront her aside from maybe sophia. even some of the girls who went into this program with wide eyes did not know the extent to how much a kpop trainee trains. perhaps the trainer sent to switzerland gave her an impression of training that did not align with how the one in LA was run. I may be very defensive of manon here but i just can't believe she would be intentionally disrespectful if any authority really called her out. she may have been the prettiest, but there were other gorgeous girls there as well. and cosmetic procedures are a thing in the western entertainment agency just as much as in kpop. they kicked out a 3rd place nayoung because they were afraid she would not be fully committed to the group in favor of going solo. I don't think it was so one-sided as to assign all the blame on manon
i also feel like you have a very rosy idea of what goes into a kpop group and how survival groups (which field uber-successful groups in korea) are put together. i would not say that sisterhood is part of how a group is formed by the company. there is an image, a market, and positions that execs have in mind when choosing girls. if you want it bad enough you will put your differences aside with a girl you do not really vibe with. and by not showing the "reality" part of dream academy i guess the execs really wanted to see how on-stage performance would sway audiences first and foremost, seeing as that is how they will catch the attention of casual fans. throughout the entertainment industry, "live" prerecorded stages are an amalgamation of different takes and are edited. and its not that the girls are lying with their surprise at the group missions-the surprise could be for the song they were given. I'm pretty sure emily practiced buttons but was put into wannabe.
on all levels the entertainment industry has never been and never will be a strict meritocracy. and while the doc brings to light pretty horrible things that were done to the girls, you cannot deny the boom of popularity the group has gone through. now that the process has been revealed, young and vulnerable artists will be more cautious going into programs like this.
Thank you for this! And thank you for pointing out those things I got wrong - everything you said makes total sense. I'm not nearly as knowledgable about K-Pop at large as others, so I was just trying to point out things I found problematic with this particular show... but you're absolutely right and those things deserve a much larger deep dive than what I did
I almost entirely agree. But nowadays variety show and other offstage content has become more important to where I think members' chemistry does matter.
It may not matter to the "casual" viewer, just to get their attention, but I think it really helps to make audiences fall in love with the group. Kpop thrives not just on producing good music, but producing deeply dedicated fans.
I think it depends on who was making the decisions, and what their goals were with this program. Was it just to produce reality content, or was it to make a really stellar global girl group? Where did they see the group in 2 years? 5? Did they expect the group would even still exist after 2 years?
@@ebreshea1337 i would agree with you that the longevity of a group is something the execs had in mind when putting together the group. kpop survival show groups are temporary-so mnet needed their audience to latch onto the girls quick. it got better over time towards the later produce groups, but musical/artist identity is not the priority when pushing the group to the public. katseye already has a fanbase that isn't totally kpop fans. so i support hybe/geffen in their differed approach to the survival show in lessening the "emotional" aspect of it. regular watchers of survival shows already have an idea of an idol and how they look and how they act. (i am assuming here) but i think that the only connection to kpop that katseye is going to have is the aesthetic and overall production quality. but in terms of how the girls are gonna act, i would think they would lean more towards the western pop girlies than kpop idols that don't curse or date and are squeaky clean. Missy even said in the doc that she was worried Sophia would be too straight-laced to appeal to the western market. i think the differed approach was very intentional
That’s star power for ya
I'm sorry but I partially have to disagree. Manon didn't make half the effort the other girls did, and was rewarded for it. She truly didn't deserve to end up on the show. Much less the group.
The reason is because she had a big following, she was allowed to act the way she did without repercussions. Whilst when Lexi needed time to think, after 4 days if Lexi hadn't decided to leave, they had already decided to kick her out anyway.
So basically, because they wanted the exposure of Manon, Manon got free passes left and right whilst the rest was held to a higher standard.
This is not Manon's fault, but definitely says alot about and I sure it dropped morale for the group.
You're...not wrong... I didn't go into that harder in the video because I didn't want to throw someone under the bus. But I think you're right. Manon was not treated the way the other girls were and, if this was a book I would have described her as having "plot armor." I wanted to present the facts and have people make up their own minds rather than publicly get super harsh (I know, unpopular take on TH-cam LOL), But I think you're right and it's not fair. I hope that Manon really did have a change of heart and things are better now, but I was really uncomfortable with how she was treated by the show and I, personally, was frustrated that she made the group after everything I saw.
@@ashleygriffin I hope so too, in the end this is what the group ended up being and I truly hope they have a good team morale now, Manon included. I respect that you collected the facts and based it off of that. In a way I really do agree.
I have so much respect for Lexi because I do really think you were right about her being a shoe in for sure! For her to choose to stay true to her moral standards over fame, really shows you the type of person she is. I know what it's like when you realise you are not made for the world you have dreamt about being a part of, all of your life. It takes a lot of wisdom and self respect to catch it and not allow yourself to be swept up, blinded by the pink cloud that is being close to "living the dream". At such a young age, it's so admirable.
Manon was not as good as the others, but that didn't matter. We already had 2 white looking girls, and they needed to add a black girl, and Manon was the prettiest black girl on the show. Sorry Samara 😂