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- Since posting my first corrosion resistance videos, some people would test me that it's better to heat the metal a bit before application. The theory is that the Froglube would "soak" into the metal more thoroughly and thus give better protection and lubrication. I decided to find out for myself if there was any difference.
It didn't realize it but you're right. It's actually an editing error. At this point I don't know whether to remove, re-edit and repost with the missing segment, which would absolutely suck for me, or post the missing track to its own video. Perhaps I'll just add the missing track with an explanation of what it's for and incorporate it into an update video showing the today's condition of the rotor. I'll go annotate the video now to expect a correction video. Thanks bud.
Thank Cory. You're point is really well taken about the rusting, however, these rotors aren't like you're typical tool steel. They're soft & have super high carbon content, making it ideal for accelerating corrosion. I actually came up with the idea after seeing one rust out completely overnight after taking off a car. If there has been a bare rotor next to the test rotor, it would have been a dramatic difference.
What you've stated about temperature changes makes sense with regards to pore size. I guess it could simply be an effect of viscosity like you said. It was a good result however due to how dramatic the difference was. It surprised me and to be honest I was hoping to prove to idea a fallacy.
Well, I didn't really "misuse" the word but I did say MORE instead of LESS viscous. One of those times when my brain was thinking one thing and the mouth is saying the opposite. I annotated the mistake.
P.S. you misspelled thicker.
LOL!!! That was good buddy! FredHart recently tested Militec and it's right up there with FrogLube. I don't know if I'll test it or not but I've used it on my guns before when it was free to me. M-PRO7 also makes a lube and CLP if I'm not mistaken.
Thanks! Maybe for privacy where the houses are closer but I'm not sure. I grew in a huge back yard but we had a wall there was well. If nothing else it makes a great claymore blast funnel keeping the shot pattern nice and focused! :)
As became evident from the results, heat transfer didn't come into play much. However, if you want to plasma cut a rotor in half and ship it to me, I'll happily run the test again. I'm just joking with you of course. :D
Thanks IB1999, certainly where corrosion resistance is concerned, Froglube seems to do great. Fredhart's plate of truth was very helpful as well. Thanks for watching bud!
Rusty water that migrated onto the tape.
No, brake rotors have a very high carbon content are a virtually the perfect test bed for accelerated weathering.
Interesting idea. My only trouble would be getting two of the same type of rotor. The metallurgy varies a bit between them.
No nailed it! Dirt and a brick wall, naturally the only thing left that it could possibly be is a prison yard.
It's a matter of semantics and phraseology. Certainly, everyone is aware of what's being communicated.
Thanks. I have no way to measure friction but I've run tests on CLP and WD40 LTCI in past vids.
Oh man, you're going to put me in the grave drzman! ...lol. It would be interesting to know.
I figured there would be a few guys with their own channels who'd catch that. :)
LOL!!! Good one scooter! .......while clicking my boots together.
Sounds like another good tip to put in the arsenal. Thanks mozez!
Take a rotor to a local machine shop (give them credit in the next vid) have the rotor cut in half. Bake the one half in a toaster oven for even heat and leave the other half room temp. All temps consistent and all metal of equal values. It's a little extra work, but doubters would have to work a little harder to find a problem with it. Then again, it's only going to show the same thing. Maybe, with slightly better results. Thanks for the reviews. Great job.
I've been using FG for a while now on my AR and I do a heat cycle every time I clean it. Since doing so, when I do have to clean it, I just wipe off all the gunk with no solvent used what so ever. Still a little tougher to clean on the bolt tail and inside the BCG but, nowhere near what it used to be. After a while you will notice if you heat up the metal, even if it's dry, it will "sweat" a little FG out! That's the beauty of it!
Tempering makes the steel softer. It is often performed after steel is brought above critical temperature and quenched (to harden). Tempering makes the steel less hard and brittle, therefore making it more ductile. Many confuse tempering with hardening because tempering is said to make steel tougher. Tougher=more ductile.
i am sorry i was wrong i meant to say use two rotors. one hot and one not. that way no one would question your results.i know you put alot of time into this and you seem to be a practical guy.. i am realy interested in this product. i did not want to come across as a complainer or any thing like that. i value the work u put into this.
Convincing test Patriot... nice pragmatic approach as usual. I would have expected the non-heated application to fare better than it actually appeared to. If I recall, you mentioned the rotor was exposed to rain for 3-4 days and there was pitting - a bit surprising and somewhat disappointing. Thanks as always for the interesting topics.
Great video. Question. Do you heat your guns each time you apply it? I read on the Froglube site that you only need to heat them on the first application. But I see so many videos of people doing it every time. I only did the first time, now just apply a little and let it be. Should I heat each time?
Heating the metal is like seasoning a cast iron pan its always good.
Questions for you:
1) what caused the rust colored spots on the tape?
2) the none heated side was showing pitting, but you said it was only out side for a few days. do you live in a city that has a lot of acid rain?
Thanks for doing this, I just treated a new shotgun & for the 1st time didn't heat it. I guess I'm going back and not being lazy this time! What is it they say about doing things right the 1st time? Lol At least all my other Frog Lubed firearms were heated prior to treating....
Nice video despite the lack of a microfiber, lol. It only makes sense to me that heating produces more effective results as the heat expands the molecular structure of the metal and allows it to absorb the FL. As a result it retains the FL after cooling and self lubricates when the metal is reheated.
love it i just wished you cleaned the hole rotor. you did lube the whole thing . i bring this up because you cleaned the part you called the average. i just wanted to see if it got better or worse on either side.. i do think it was conclusive your result was. good job.
Wow this is certainly surprising. I wonder if this translates into lubricity of FL as well. Probably doesn't matter much in that department though as most parts should get enough heat from firing the weapon for the frog lube to soak in.
you're more than welcomed mate, but it really is nothing compared to what you currently have
are you planning to heat up your knives from now on?
I was thinking of doing it once I get the froglube, but I don't know if that will damage the steel's strength
Keep posting videos buddy. I'll subscribe. Oh and ignore the idiots posting negative comments, they should do their own if they don't agree with your method. 👍🏽
+Rolando Talamantez Ok, will do! ...and that's really good advice actually! Thank you!
Additionally, I don't know of anyone who's tried Froglub not to like it. And when they say it was a Navy Seal who invented it, I wonder about that, unless he was a chemist. lolo
I personally love the stuff.
Not only should you be using microfiber but you should have precisely measured the quantity of Frog Lube, been in an indoor, sterile lab and used precision measuring devices!!!! Jk, another great test. Thanks for posting.
It's proof positive, warming the metal expands the molecules where allowing the Froglub to penetrate does make a difference. It's science 101, which I nearly forgot...lolo
Well done video!
How would you say frog lube stands against m-pro 7?
The only lube that I won't use on my guns. Applying it has become a religious ritual. If it fails, the user gets the blame.
LOL, I loved your response to the "TH-cam expert" about using cotton balls versus microfiber; that gave me a good laugh! Thanks for your time, effort and the video; I'm sold!
Good work! The great thing about you tube is that guys & gals will roll into the comments with great suggestions & in the end maybe we can all learn something.
Except for when you roll into the comments of my videos, those are just weird : )
it helped a little
had nothing else to scrub off the rust with
used to soak my tools in it, and then the house would stink horribly
I like the test a lot. I'd be interested in seeing if how hot you get the metal makes a difference. Maybe two rotors next time and one to the one 170 like this time and one hotter to see if it "soaks in" more.
Hello there, liked your video, very educational... I wander if this is true for all kinds of lubricants, not only froglube...
cool video
I've just ordered one those bottles for my knives
been using balsamic vinegar so far, and boy does that shit stink!
when you heat metal you burn off any moisture inside the metal thus a cleaner more rust free result on the heated side
Great videos! I like them a lot. Just subscribed bro. I've been a little sceptical about frog lube but I'm sold. Thanks.
Yeah, I don't have many complaints about FL.
Cool! I'm glad you made this into one video not two because I would have called bullshit and then have to eat my shoe.
Great (reassuring) info. Thanks for your effort. I'm a HUGE Frog Lube fan boy and always preheat prior to application.
great job! I was a little iffy because I am happy with my slip2000 EWL but I am gonna give the frog lube a shot
Great videos. Someone shared your first frog lube test with me and it was very informative.
Subscribed.
Great test! Frog Lube is great stuff, but try exact same test with Mill-Com.Your in for a big surprise
Patriot mind you this was after only 1 application. Frog lube states to do 2 applications for it to set in. Great video
Good enough test for me. Thanks for doing and sharing these tests with us Patriot. I need to get some Frog Lube now....
If you want a metallurgical reason I can offer one. (Sorry I don't have time to read all the comments and critique right vs wrong.)
Metal expands as it heats, and believe it or not some is porous as well. What's happening inside the grain boundaries is expansion, allowing the frog lube to penetrate into the steel. While its not exactly like a sponge, its resemblance on a microscopic scale is akin, in that the lube is "getting into" the metal a bit deeper.
Real interesting stuff is cold forged or hammered steel. Those grains are literally *pounded* together, so to see the lube work it's way in is interesting. Basically I like the idea, but I think any lube would do the same thing... Hot metal will open up and suck whatever is on top into it.
If you could bake the steel at 400 degrees for 20 mins or so it would work even better. Very interesting study you have there, I may steal it for my metallurgy final. ;-)
Good job all around. Problem? Solved. :) I like it.
I'm not enthralled with Fourseves.
yep, we get surprised sometimes.
dang, yer fast! :)
I like froglube however it did not deter rust one bit on my browning bps 12 gauge
How about cutting one in half, I know that's hard but then there is no way for heat transfer.
For sure too heat. Thanks for posting this. good work. Any future videos you'll be doing?
Thanks, Patriot.....was wondering the same thing....you did good, dude!
Nice vid, of course with anything online you have to pick and choose what you want to believe. Looks like you got all your bases covered. I as well just heard abt the stuff and found your vid. IF you happen to ever re-do this test i would like to see a 1/3 not treated.. kinda like a "control" never the less great job and very well spoken.
To heat it is! Thanks for posting this. Any other future videos with corrosion?
It did not rust into the metal... the rust is the metal (oxidized).
honestly, i got some frog lube. it just seems like glorified bore butter. i ended up using bore butter more. its cheaper. flog lube is over rated. for lubrication of guide rails and sears i use ptfe marine silicone grease
You got it Jonny!
Thanks Mr. Beast!
awkward question , but what kind of rotors are you using ? bmw ?
Dang, where do you get all these brake rotors? I need some. Sounds like you live close to the freeway. Not related, but I wonder your opinion of Fenix versus Foursevens?
Very good information. Thanks for all your informative videos.
Thanks buddy!
Great video. Very well done, answered an important question.
okay, the next test is: does heat help all products, or just FrogLube?
nice work
I wonder if it would be different if you used the paste ?
yep
Great video! will you be doing a test to figure out the "best" lubricant AND rust protectant? again thanks for sharing!
wow great display ill be buying some frog lube tomorrow
Interesting video, although you misused the word viscous. It means to be thinker in consistency not more slippery.
True dat!
Very well done, appreciate your time and knowledge
In light of that I am going to use a cotton ball again. HHAHAHHA Legendary Patriot36 humor!
you gained a sub for your hard work on this great vid
Interesting. thank you for an unbiased test.
Thanks for the video! Due to these results i think that if on the previous test (WD40 vs FL) you heated up both sides of the rotor, the WD40 would have protected better. What do you think?
Wd 40 is a dirk magnet nope
Never put heat on a Glock a nono.
I know bro... just being accurate. Peace
There is a reason you heat up your cast iron pans for seasoning. Same concept applies here. Of course different types of metal will vary. I do know a bit when it comes to metal. I been a Welder for over 20 years. Perhaps that means something to you, perhaps not.
Interesting. It's pretty cool to see the results side by side like that.
Thanks. Very helpful video.
VERY helpful!!!! Thank you!! Sub.
great job..proofs in the pudding...or the lube?
Minty fresh, food grade gun lube.
So Froglube is like a woman...need's some preheating.;)
As always a well performed test.
Great Video. Awesome experiment also, "Frog Lube" is proven superior.
Brilliant test! Thank you!
So, what is your favorite?
Great job! Very interesting!
Good video. But better than frog lube is shooters choice fp10
Muscle mt10
Muscle fp10
Is the same stuff they private label it for shooters choice fp10
It's a clp but it's a micro metal friction reducer go look up the video's here on TH-cam. I only use shooters choice fp10 now. You can do the heat thing with it like you did with the frog lube but not necessary.
Very well-executed test. I'm now convinced that preheating makes a difference. I'd bet it would work with other lubes as well.
Thanks for the video. I was wondering the same thing myself and you pretty much proved it.
Thanks for the video. I was wondering the same thing myself and you pretty much proved it.