Another thing I hated about light year, was that Buzz didn't feel like Buzz, in toy story he was clueless, heroic, oblivious, but still kind and a good friend. In light year, he was literally none of that. If I was Andy I would be like "Mom, turn it off"
He was just the clueless and oblivious part. They wrote him so that all the other characters could get the spotlight when it was his movie. This was suppose to be a movie about buzz lightyear, not 4 or 5 random people and then buzz lightyear 😑
Lightyear was a movie written by people who clearly never actually watched Toy Story and had no idea who Buzz was. Instead of a fun sci-fi action adventure movie, we got a space drama that was boring and not interested in following the story of Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story
12:14 I don't think it's silly at all. _Puss in Boots 2_ really tries (and succeeds) in writing an fun, yet mature story, which deals with heavy themes like the inevitability of death surprisingly well, and also how terrifying anxiety attacks can be. Yet the movie deals with those without feeling pandering. What I really like about Puss' panic attack in the film is how it is treated as a serious thing, and with respect. You don't see characters making fun of him or treating as a joke, and you don't see Perrito suddenly going like "This is my time to shine and finally fulfill my dream of becoming a therapy dog!"; no, he just approaches Puss, and rests his head on him. It's a nearly silent, quick moment that delivers an emotional punch to the gut, and it works wonderfully.
This. And to be clear, Puss in Boots has plenty of modern ideas. Kitty is a strong female lead, Puss has plenty of vulnerabilities and fears as well as a toxic masculine complex, Perrito shows that it’s ok to have therapy help, etc. The reason Puss in Boots pulls these ideas off so well is because it’s organic. It’s as if it was never the main goal to prove these points; they just showed up while a different plot was going on.
Not to mention, Jack Horner, much like Dr Eggman… was just such the perfect villain. A completely irredeemable monster that we have no reason to root for, but extremely entertaining and hilarious.
I'm a grown-ass man and I still tear up at Perrito comforting Puss during his panic attack. No words, no swell of emotional music, just a quiet scene and an incredible moment between two characters. Imagine Disney trying to do that scene. These days I think they're literally incapable of writing genuine character growth moments like that.
I don’t think Disney has majorly moved me since Mulan-THE ANIMATED Mulan. Genuinely funny and heartwarming-but with a feminist message that isn’t cringe inducing. Her father comforting her for being a late bloomer? Mulan sneaking out and heading to probably her death to save him? The emperor and ALL OF CHINA bowing to Mulan in thanks? What happened to the Disney staff from that time period?
@@mediabreakdown8963 Mulan is actually feminist, she never put traditional feminine women down even if she didn't fit them. Those pro women movies are not feminist they put traditionally feminine women down even though feminism is for all women, not just the ugly monstrosity ones.
@@crestofhonor2349 To be fair…I do like Lilo and Stitch, and Emperor’s New Groove, and even some more recent offerings. But this disturbing trend of remaking old Disney films and fixing things that didn’t need fixing…it’s like a master class on making films worse. Can anyone tell me they like any of the remakes better?
Let's not forget that head of Pixar, Pete Doctor, said that Lightyear failed because they "expected too much of the audience." Even in today's climate I've never heard something so condescending from a studio head. This movie earned it's failure.
@@logooniguy1426 exactly…..Disney notoriousgroomers, including some employees arrested for child p. Indoctrinationchildren to their viledemented agendas.
A bad lecture made by the guy who doesn't really know what they are talking about because their research was basically "saw it on the internet" and obviously they will be pedantic about you just seeing sth on the internet....🙃😑
Describing Disney movies as lectures lacking nuance is right on the money. I have to wonder about the priorities of the board when they see this stuff, are they really looking after shareholders or do they have different ambitions in mind?
Shareholders. Apparently there's a variable in place for that. It came out when Netflix had their Chapelle scandal early last year. Netflix stock went down cause of his special and the twitter reactions it created, despite actual increased earnings.
I have similar thoughts: If you look closely, Strange World and Lightyear are extremely conservative stories with a progressive packaging. What's the message? Keep status quo, don't try to overcome any boundaries. There is nothing out there. Don't try to improve. It doesn't get any more conservative than this. They look progressive, but they are the complete opposite. Maybe that's the point: Teaching children keep in line and NOT to rebel against anything because society is perfect the way it is. Never argue with the crowd... That's healthy. 🙈
It's the ESG scoring system (Environmental, Social, and Governance issues) propagated by Larry Fink and BlackRock, which own significant shares of Disney. If they're not woke enough, their ESG scores decline, which affects "attractiveness to investors" and consequently their share price.
I once knew a girl who liked villains so much that she hated heroes for ruining their fun. She didn't care about the innocent people victimised by these characters, she thought it was funny. I'm seeing a lot of movies/tv shows now that seem to hold the same beliefs and it's ruining storytelling because the creators just don't get it.
Right? Like I get wanting to make cool villains, and that you want heroes to be “cool” just like those villains, but making them toxic and uncaring and selfish and overpowered and among other things, but those “heroes” need to at least understand that what they are doing is wrong and try to fix it at the end of the movie Also! What happened to goofy kind hearted heroes? Heroes who don’t kill not because they are afraid of bloodying their hands, but because they genuinely believe that there is good in everyone? Heroes who will get pushed back and slammed to the ground over and over and over again, but always stand back at the end with more understanding of the world? What happened to a hero who is kind hearted because of ignorance of the world who goes through so much they lose there innocent but still hold their too big of a bleeding heart in their hands for everyone, not because they are still ignorant, but because now they have another reason to help I just miss having a kind hearted hero who is actually a hero, you know?
@@wedwhb9899 You and me both. The problem is that we have real-life scum trying to write heroes. They can't do it, it's like Palpatine's/Lex Luthor's/Skeletor's/The Romulans/Blofield's retelling of history.
Or Icarus, or Dr. Strange (or Wanda for that matter), or Ant Man, or Hawkeye. At least Kamala got to be a hero (fighting an amalgamation of immigration and the FBI - because, in the end, the demon from another dimension willing to erase this one to get home isn't the villain, America is). The only heroic hero Disney put out was Spiderman (and that was really made by Sony).
I think narcissism and masculinity get confused waaay too much. It's about setting aside your ego at times when it's necessary, not abandoning your gender.
They kinda have to since narcissism goes strongly against traditional masculine values. They're forced to throw in the narcissism to make the character carry the horrible message they want.
You know what bothers me about the whole thing? How male characters even with reasonable "masculine" traits like self-pride, confidence, and toughness are often shamed for being toxic, while female characters with actually bad masculine traits like being insensitive, being bullies, beating people up for any perceived sleight against them, bellicose behavior, narcissism, meanness, and generally being peacocking dickheads are praised as "strong female characters".
@@volundrfrey896Precisely why it’s impossible to be a man and believe in things like Stoicism and Spartan moral law now a days. It’s always just give up the fight, accept you can’t change who you are, things around you, and move on. JUST, GIVE, UP!!!!
Disney basically uses controvertial topics for two things: - To gain attention, both good and bad, which traduces in revenue - To deflect critics to their work as intolerance or hate speech
You know what really irks me, and I say this as a black guy? How movies love to use the "straight white man bad" trope and then get mad at straight white men for not liking it as if that's not a perfectly reasonable reaction to an unfair artificial stereotype. It'd certainly piss me off if movies always used the black guy as the villain, and then they called ME a bigot for not liking it.
@@ScrambledAndBenedictI'm wondering if that trope isn't created out of "anti-racism" in its true sense of the word (was it Ibrahim Kendi that coined it?). That is, responding to past discrimination with reverse current discrimination. At least historically, the "black man bad" movie trope had some legs. And the "black character dies early, probably saving a white character" trope was one I noticed in Hollywood action or horror movies when I was younger, though not as much now, if at all. My sister's Asian, and we've noticed a trend in Hollywood youth movies where if there's an unattractive nerd in a friend group, he is almost guaranteed to get or have an attractive Asian girlfriend with a pair of glasses slapped on to make her look a little nerdy 🤓 It's super cringe. It's so predictable that wokesters will keep regressing on any progress made since MLK and friends with their toddler level understanding of diversity, people and, well, anything really. My brother is one of these cult members, unflatteringly hyper focusing on genitals and skin color, speaking of "representation" while not understanding what most of the words he's using actually means. And so full of hipocrisy it'd be comical if it weren't so sad (talking of perceived discrimination by co-workers, mentioning how he, too, used to make funny Asian voices (the "I found out I'm racist, therefore you are too" logic of what's-her-face), then literally three hours later mockingly mimicking the voices of his two Philipina cleaning ladies in an attempt to get a laugh). As a white man, I feel more represented by Baggage Claim (whose skin color I don't know and don't care about, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a penis) than billions of men, white or whatever. I feel more represented by Black Conservative Perspective than hundreds of millions of white men or women. These people are drowning themselves in their own inch-deep puddle of divisive woke word salad 🥗 😂
@@TheRealJellyBomb It very well might be, but the issue I have with it is it's embracing discrimination rather than challenging it. If all you do is move the crosshairs from one group of people to another, you're still embracing the idea that it's acceptable to treat groups of people differently based on the color of their skin, their sexuality, their gender, etc. Even if it's done in a self-aware "responding to discrimination" sense, it's still using discrimination in a positive way and thus validating it. Which I find to be incredibly wrong. We need to have an all or nothing approach to such things. Either it's okay to discriminate, or it's not; we can't decide discrimination is okay or not based on the race of whoever it's aimed at.
Cept in the movie on the thumbnail to this video, in which a lot of hateful bigots are using to put down the entire gay/lesbian community in order to prop up their bigoted conservative christian views, which are backed by pseudo-science, which dictates that our biology is responsible for half our decision making and how we *should* *be* regardless of what we want.
And race swapping. Either make a new character who is totally blant and has no flaws, basicly is just his/her skincolor/sexuality, or race/genderswap a beloved character, as if this somehow works. Guess which characters are still used in merch and video games? Exactly, the original animated versions.
It's not that greate to only bring up these two movie as if you look at the whole of Disney movie history a lot of there movies have focused on women especially there most well know fairytale movies. And if you look at other movie and TV shows you see more examples of the white characters getting focus while shunting aside a lot of the poc characters. This is especially seem in a lot of the tv shows. I think Disney is realising that there other demographics that can be focused on. Also I think it in some way to sort of address the past that Disney had a racism.
@@toongrowner1 yeah, for example angrboda from New God of War game. Being the future loki's wife she has no chemistry with him and tbh no personality at all. And meanwhile we have Thrud being the background character and has more impact on the story, characters and fanbase lol.
Bad writers tend to project themselves into what they write; I'd love to say it's some sort of conspiracy but that's really all there is to it. You have weak writers hired for political reasons writing the only way they know how and those overseeing them are too scared to say "look, not every character you write should reflect your personal values".
@@aaaagamedev3524 And that score is just straight up useless, considering the top ranking companies invest on China... th-cam.com/video/_zcA3rtywXQ/w-d-xo.html
HAHAHAHA true facts-- and unfortunately, weak writers ONLY know how to write characters with their views. Which is why all their antagonist fall flat. They literally cannot put themselves into the shoes of someone else outside of their perspective, and they have the nerve to call everyone else small minded and afraid of outsiders.
Writing a good character takes two things. The first is introspection. The second is apathy towards that character. The first reason is fairly simple. You need to know where you end and your character begins, and need to know how much of 'you' you need to put into the character to get them started. And I say started because the process of developing a character is not simple. Good characters will change and develop over the course of writing to reflect the story's environment, themes, struggles, and tone. Having a kernel, a non-blank slate that a writer can latch onto in order to get that started is valuable. The second reason is so you can hurt the character, punish them, throw them through hell, and maybe even kill them for the sake of the story. Modern Disney movies have been putting their writer characters above the story and it's easy to see. Their pet characters get the golden treatment while every strawman character gets made an example of. Meanwhile Puss tangos with the literal personification of Death and is traumatized for it.
Disney took one of the most beloved characters from Toy Story and ruined him completely. Puss in Boots, on the other hand, was such an incredible movie. It’s been a while since we had one.
At least this Buzz is "supposed to be a new character". In Toy Story 4, they also ruined the actual Buzz and also Woody by making them both bumbling idiots to prop up Bo Peep, the "strong independent woman" character.
@@ninthefrog3911 I'm just saying, Lightyear was bad but that didn't really bother me because the Buzz in that movie isn't the Buzz we know and love so I didn't care that he sucked. And their obsession with pushing non white characters and women to the forefront by putting male characters down is taking over everything. In Incredibles 2, Bob is no longer strong and resourceful like the first movie. He's weak and childish while Helen is the hero.
Someone pointed out something really cool in the last wish *spoilers* When puss is witnessing his past lives, they don't preach to him what he needs to hear. Puss realizes it all on his own. Character growth and agency right there, so damn refreshing
@@liamphibia what the trailer says also David diggs aka ugly Sebastian is in it so actually dreamworks isn’t bullying Disney it working with it cause they actually both like each other & watch illumination
@@BaggageClaim also great job with the video. You’re very good at speaking, it’s something I struggle with so I admire your talent with getting your point across
As the TH-camr “The Canadian Lad” said, “Don’t write strong female characters, write strong characters who are female.” And I think this also applies to every possible character trait
@@kevingame3198 Even Aloy is destroyed as a character now, the first game was good but the second game is an insane woke fest. they even made her ugly on purpose just to own the average "gamer".
Puss In Boots: The Last Wish was so refreshing. I was thrilled that not only was it not a pandering, lecturing mess, but it was a lovely tale about a character we cared about having his own flaws and mortality. I love how easy it was to live that film.
@@BaggageClaim This is clickbait. The director didn't come across as someone who deliberately wanted to tone down or emasculate or humiliate Buzz. In fact, I think some artists overthink what they create and sometimes miss the brand. In his eyes, he thought he made Buzz a complex super serious character
I also loved the side story of Goldilocks and the bears about being adopted and different yet still one of them. Woke ideology would have her be unable to be truly a member of the family and have her leave to be with her own kind and kept segregated.
@@suzygirl1843 Not only was Buzz not the hero, he was actually the villain too. Even if the director didn't talk emasculation, the current Hollywood zeitgeist of deconstructing heroes is the water they all swim in. It basically has to be intentionally avoided to prevent it from ending up in films now.
Ironic how Disney has become the very thing they’ve been preaching: a stubborn old entity unwilling to listen to anyone trying to genuinely help, pushing blindly ahead on a path doomed to failure.
@shadowyarts6150 Animated films were successful to a big part on the novelty of CGI/animation but these days we're jaded and need more. If you're hung up on the dying platform of 2-hour something cinemas then sure, get depressed, but if you want to not be a depressive critic then know that the series format is thriving and most animated series these last years are (I think) often superior to most animated films in the past. I don't like the spiderverse films but alot of people seem to, and with Puss in Boots, I'd say the hitrate is pretty damn good for animated films too.
@@blurgle9185 "animated films were successful to a big part on the novelty of CGI.." all these iconic characters & villains we loved/feared only because of technical innovations, yeah for sure.. I realize now that I only ever enjoyed robin hood cause of the amazing animation, not cause of the music or all the amazing characters. It's this kind of misconception which leads to newer works with fancy animation indeed but with blank characters no one can relate with..
Audiences: "We want ABC." Disney: "Well here's XYZ. Give us money." Audiences: "No." Disney: "Bigots!" Not sure which I want more, for them to learn their lesson and start telling good stories again, or to completely crash and burn.
You could compromise and go LMNO, the middle, and they'd still reject it DEMANDING the scale be on their end or deem you bigots, ...phobes, racist, all that. That's how bad it is.
I’d say my biggest complaint about Lightyear, compared to the other complaints I had, was the portrayal of Zurg. I was so incredibly disappointed to see who Zurg turned out to be 😑 Why can’t Disney just make a great villain these days like what Puss In Boots 2 masterfully did?!
Disney has become so obsessed with the idea of the "Twist" villain or the villain being some contortion or reflection of the main characters thinking that's "Deep" writing that they've COMPLETELY forgotten how to write good, straight forward villains that have instant appeal for one reason or another. Puss n Boots 2 had all THREE forms of a traditional villain; Goldilocks was the sympathetic villain, Jack Horner was the straight forward bad guy who owned his lack of morality wholesale, and Death was the neutral evil that is a force of nature made villain only through circumstance but is utterly terrifying for that reason. What does Disney have? A catalogue of twist villains and self reflection. EVERY character either turns out to be suddenly evil without any real character to make them compelling at all OR the villain was one of the main characters the whole time and it's time to reflect on yourself. Self reflection isn't bad, but jesus, Disney has played this card so many times at this point that it is mind numbing.
It’s an odd feeling seeing where Disney is headed nowadays. I love animation as a medium, not just a genre. What happened to: “We’re not telling stories for kids, but we’re telling stories for the kid inside all of us.”
You mean what happened to telling a story , full stop. These movies feel like a shoppinglist where u check all the boxes , mixed with dialogue written by bad AI
To prove your point further about the whole "masculinity being toxic" concept, let's use Arnold Schwarzenegger's character from "Predator" as an example. I didn't respect that character because he magically figured out that he had to ask for help from good friends to out thwart the Predator because dealing with scary monsters on your own is impossible. I respected his character because despite being the traditional masculine man, he had to figure out a way to deal with this scary monster trying to hunt him on his own while being terrified. My four year old niece loves Buzz Lightyear and saw all three Toy Story movies, and upon watching Lightyear my brother said not only did she fidget the whole time and fell asleep half way, but she wasn't interested in watching the movie again. Now upon showing her "Star Command", she sat and watched every episode with intrigue and interest. She remembered 80% of characters from the Star Command show and could only recall two characters from Lightyear, which definitely says something
Nobody is saying all masculinity is toxic, it's a certain type that is harmful, hence 'toxic masculinity' not 'masculinity being toxic.' I am a man, I have seen toxic masculinity, it's not Arnie fighting aliens.
I honestly don't know why anyone thought that doing this Lightyear movie was a good idea. I didn't watch it but just hearing and reading about it made me think why!? We had the Star Command animation we really didn't need this movie.
Being impressed with "Children's movies/shows" is not a problem. "Avatar the Last Airbender" is technically a kid's show but it has a depth of storytelling absent from most things that get made. I just see things as good stories, some of them are a bit more explicit and some rely more heavily on implication is all 😉. Great video! Thanks for the recommendation!! 😸
Honestly, kids deserve better media. Stuff that’s worthwhile and is actually entertaining with actually relatable/likable characters and not something made so a hollyweird director can get a temporary ego boost.
And ATLAB had strong diversity and female empowermet messages, but unlike todays media..ATLAB interweaves the message into the story. Katara, Toph, Korra, Azula is even the baddest toughest fighter. But nobody questioned it. You genuinely believed bcos they showed her childhood drive to be the best, better than the rest. We were not lectured or spoken down to. 😎
The fact that it's called Lightyear but he's not the hero is just a long line of movies deconstructing, subverting, and effectively destroying existing characters. It's much much harder to subvert something new! So they keep destroying existing characters until there will be literally *none* left.
@@lolamalu I first remember being shocked seeing the (little known) BBC adaptation of Agatha Christie's "ABC Murders" in 2018, where Poirot was completely deconstructed. But you made me realize "The Force Awakens" is even earlier than that, in 2015!
It's about destroying heroic action IMO. "Be yourself", but, like, don't risk too much or work so hard that others will feel "less than". Jeez, you have to wonder whether América would've been discovered in this generation, but then, that was also a cruel colonialist mistake, right?
That's partially why I was surprised they made Strange World. Obviously it failed, but for once Disney didn't just use an existing IP and existing characters to tell their garbage story. They made an entirely new movie to showcase their garbage characters and stories and it was rightfully a big flop. At least it flopped without taking down established characters like Lightyear and other recent movies and shows. I hope they do that more. This way it'll be very obvious there's not a big audience for this stuff and they might cut it out, or if something succeeds it won't be based on nostalgia and memberberries.
@@iSOBigD They somehow made Cars 3 work with this mindset of "bring in someone new, but hey remember the older characters of this franchise, here's them passing the torch." so why they can't do it in Marvel or other properties is mind blowing. Storm doesn't respect Lightning sure, but the fact that Cruz Ramirez was actually inspired BY Lightning is just....I dunno I love that. It rings true to so many of us young ladies out there-we look up to a lot of male figures, both in real life and fiction. AND THAT'S OKAY. She was inspired by his wins, by his racing, and that in turn inspired him to be her mentor, just as Doc was inspired to be his mentor when he saw Lightning change. It didn't feel like the modern day "see here's this young GIRL BOSS who can do things so EASY." movie because it wasn't. Cruz struggled with her self worth and confidence, it wasn't until she finally raced against Lightning and trained with him that she saw her skills. It managed to not only subvert most expectation of "okay Lightning will retire and Cruz will take his spot" but it told a good lesson of "go out on your own terms, respect those who came before, and pass the torch on when you're ready." IF ONLY DISNEY COULD REMEMBER THIS WHEN IT COMES TO MARVEL GOD DAMMIT. I mean even SCREAM FIVE passed the torch better than most of their movies.
Someone else said it here in the comments, but I agree: "It's all just woke nonsense rather than genuine entertainment." I just started re-watching old Tom and Jerry spoofs from the 40s and 60s on HBO Max and I'm surprised how much plot and simplicity they always managed to fit into 7 minutes. Was there borderline misogyny here in there? Sure, the romantic episodes were from a dated time period, but do I think these episodes deserve to be canceled by our woke / cancelculture gen z? No. I don't. Stories today are not what they used to be 25 years ago because people just don't care to tell a genuinely good story with a beginning middle and end. The only kind of stories you can find like that are in shows like Gravity Falls or Adventure Time
@@Grasslander Yes. She has powers beyond your comprehension. She once consumed the English with fireballs from her eyes, and bolts of lightning from her arse.
As an "adopted" kid myself (grandmother took care of me since I was 8 months old) every time Goldi-lock's scene comes up I am ALWAYS moved to tears. I have found NO OTHER movies that can do this. Not the beginning of UP, not even not even Iroh's Tale. Puss in boots is an amazing movie about a cat that wants to chase a shooting star.
As a Latino (my dad being Puerto Rican and my mom being Cuban) I just want to watch a movie I can enjoy that has a meaningful thought provoking message. Representation is great but I want something enjoyable for years to come because what connects me to a character is not their sexuality or the color of their skin, it's their innermost personal struggles that they have to deal with and overcome these obstacles.
@@SeRSi239 Thank you. This new ideology that "What?! This fictional character isn't the same race, religion, gender, financial situation, and orientation as me? I cant watch this movie. Turn it off!" Is awful.
Studies have shown that you are a vast minority. Most children absolutely want their gender and race represented. Just because you don’t think you want it doesn’t mean representation isn’t important
Crazy thing is that there was a time when children's movies were mostly about ethics, moral lessons, friendship, love, family and learning to surpass your limitations...strange times!
that's because said "children's movies" today aren't made for actual children anymore. they're made for and by petty, greedy, immature adults that run Hollywood today
WOW! I just realized that Lightyear is the near exact opposite of Moana. One person goes out on an adventure to "save" everyone with the "everyone" telling the one to not "go beyond" what is already known.
I think what makes Disney's idea of "representation" often so unlikable is the clear ulterior motive behind it. They just want brownie points for being "woke" because that's what they think will get them the best reviews and the most money. There's a huge difference between setting an arbitrary quota for "diversity" out of pandering (which is what Disney is doing) and coincidentally happening to have a few (or even a ton of) "diverse" characters simply because they got imagined into existence that way by the writer. A diverse cast existing because it "just felt right" to the creator is so much better than insincere pandering. The panderers think their audiences can't tell the difference or won't care as long as there is representation. On the flip side , there ARE those whiny chuds who keep labeling ANY sort of diversity, regardless of writing quality, as "too woke", and I want them to shut the hell up, too. They give sensible people who have legitimate criticism about poorly written diversity a bad name.
Encanto was a better way to do it: exploring a different culture, rather than stripping minorities of their own culture and plopping them into the movie.
The saddest thing for me is that I can't enjoy movies with my family. They wanted to watch Lightyear, they thought it was good, but I didn't. I can't enjoy it and ended up spoiling the mood, becoming the joy killer for them. I just don't know what to do anymore. Puss in Boots 2 was awesome for me to enjoy with them, finally.
That buzz situation was my situation with my parents in puss in boots 2 my parents just... didn't like it one bit when I was hyping It up to be as great as it is but after the movie ended they literally came up to me and said "that movie wasn't great you lied."
One of the biggest differences between Strange World / Lightyear vs Puss in Boots the Last wish is that....in both disney films, masculinity trades are only toxic in male (as you say WHITE), while in Puss in Boots, everyone is FLAWED without ever touching the subject of toxic male masculinity or color of skin or anything....Goldie wants a real family despite having her perfect family RIGHT THERE, Kitty don't trust anyone after what Puss did, but she is wrong in closing the door to everyone, Puss is arrogant and want to be fearless again despite that life keep him all alone...all our main characters have flaws, but all get to be AWESOME, Puss maybe arrogant, but he is a HERO and the first scene showcase that to perfection, you cheer for him been a great intrepid fearless hero, never that is frame in a TOXIC WAY, yes he is too self center which cost him to lose a life, but he been a hero and saving the people of del mar is not the negative flaw he need to overcome. Is something sad to see of all companies DISNEY having issues with this now....like, they didn't have these problems in 2017? Moana was a good film, Coco, Inside Out, hell even Frozen and Big Hero 6, have compelling good main characters with flaws, and how many other amazing stories Disney and Pixar have, Toy Story 1 to 3, Up, Wall E, Finding Nemo, Aladdin, Tarzan, Treasure Planet, Atlantis, The little Mermaid, Beatty and the Beast, the Lion King.....what happen to the company that give is SO MANY GOOD COMPELLING STORIES, now all is virtual signalling, wokeness, Toxic fans, toxic masculinity, force diversity and race swap or gender identity politics......preaching to no end.....they are even stock behind in ANIMATION....when was the last time a Disney film actually did innovations in the animation department? While look what films like Spiderverse, Puss in Boots the last Wish, The Mitchells vs the Machines, now TMNT Mutant Mayhem, are doing experimenting with frames and animation blend of 2D and 3D hybrid that cost LESS than the plain 3d style of Pixar, and looks LEAPS better......what is happening? When Disney will stop doing this and became that company that actually TRIED to tell good stories?
Disney seems to have lost focus on WHY they made movies and tv shows in the first place. They used to make shows to ENTERTAIN but now they make shows for profit and profit alone... :(
I believe Disney has just stopped caring about animation and is more dead set in pushing their live action stuff like Marvel, Star Wars, and their soulless live action remakes
@@legrandliseurtri7495 not at this level, yes I remember SJW crap even in 2016 and 2015, but was not at the stupid amount DISNEY been pushing it, this shit start been very noticeable in 2020, before that wasn't this goddamn annoying, I have zero issues with diversity ans stuff like that, I'm from Latin America after all, but this focus on JUST THAT over story and character have become a 2020s problem that seems Disney mostly have not been able to put their head out of their own butts with it....Netflix, WB, DC, Amazon do it as well, but they still deliver good content with story and characters, Disney is becoming too woke to the point they can't care less about story now days.
Puss in boot also feels like it has an refreshing animation style compared to Disney movies . Puss in boots feels much more exciting and overall the animation is just so good.
design is not cliche like every Disney princess movie since 2011. i still want realistic but cartoonisj design like Rango (2011) it's the best one so far
Puss in boots 2 animation is not 100% CGI but uses CGI +drawn animation to give 2.5D design, same as Arcane series. And this artstyle fits Puss the best.
honestly Disney needs to try something new in the animation department (and just general story department too for that matter). That strange world movie looks and sounds like a B grade short film with its goofy soft character designs.
Often times the argument is, "there are lgbtq kids who wuld BEG to be represented in their movies" and I'm like... no?? when I was a 3 year old, I was admiring the 3 vampire brides in Van Helsing (dont question how I saw it) but not once was I ever aware that I was Bi until puberty. And not once did I feel I dont exist unless I see a Bi person on screen. I have gay friends who turned out fine, when we live in a 3rd world asian country with NO gay representation back then. We still turned out lgbtq, we still turned out fine. How narcissistic of hollywood to think that our entire gay Asian identity hangs onto the thread of whether we see gay asians on movies, let alone kids' movies. Kids dont care about representation! Unless they've been indoctrinated by their parents to depend on representation!
as a woman, it's really frustrating to see women be so readily able to fight, and have moments that are unearned. I would RATHER look up to Captain America vs Captain Marvel, because I can not only relate to Cap, but I respect him. I admire Loki for his journey and hate Sylvie because she's just on such a high horse. You understand it, but you can't condone what she did. But the show makes you WANT to be on her side so badly. It's the same with Wanda in MoM; they want you the audience to SO BADLY sympathize with her, like you understood Thanos, but you can't because unlike Thanos, who's plan in a weird dark twisted way made some sense, Wanda's was just to kill a mother and kidnap that Wanda's children. You can't root for someone like that but the film wants you to. Honestly, Wanda being the big bad of the multiverse saga would've been such a power move from marvel but no they fast traveled to it and it ruined her character as a result.
When I first saw puss in boots the last wish and I saw the shot of blood trickling down his forehead I was genuinely shocked because all the Disney stuff made me think they couldn't show that in a kids film
Interesting to note: PiB:LW also has strong female characters like the Disney/Pixar films - those being Kitty Softpaws and Goldi. Both are shown to be incredibly good at fighting and don't have as much (though they still have them occasionally) slapstick moments as the male characters do. But I feel like audiences accept these types of 'girl-bosses' because they're still shown to have something to learn. For as much as Kitty may show up Puss in the fights with Jack's men, she can still get overpowered and is shown to be a bit of a hot-head. She also has to learn to trust again and be vulnerable. Goldi, meanwhile, has to learn to accept what she has and see the love in her found family instead of pursuing a fairytale ideal. Add in the fact that Puss is allowed to be awesome in the moments that truly matter and I can see why these characters would be a bit easier to swallow.
Goldi and Kitty are treated like characters instead of Plot Devices or Unatainable paragons of kick butt. They are treated with the same dignity as the rest of the cast and good glory, is it refreshing.
My main issue with Strange World is that Disney already made the perfect team adventure film in Atlantis. They could have just copy and paste the Atlantis characters into Strange World, and it would have been 10 times better. Each character needs to be interesting in their own right, which is rare to find nowadays.
Atlantis was dope. I recently watched it with my husband, who had never seen it. When the Disney logo appeared in the end credits, he shook his head and said, "Shame on them." Because Atlantis is a genuinely fun, well-written, well-paced movie, and Disney has fallen very, very far now.
@@sitcomchristian6886 that movie is james cameron avatar if the character were memorable, theres actually creativity put into that world and culture, and isn't a self indulgent save the enviroment propaganda. Yes the villain is a greedy jerk but at least he dosn't overstay his welcome and force the main lead to be in a liar reveal story. Plus is god damm short
@@motor4X4kombat - Atlantis always felt more like Stargate for Kids than Avatar. Milo’s even a nerdy linguist with brown hair and glasses just like Daniel Jackson.
They should've made Lightyear in the style of a mid budget 80s sci-fi action movie but emulated using modern CGI with a splash of Pixar sprinkled on top of it. It would've been so cool to see obviously animatronic monsters, men in alien costumes, chasing Buzz and his alien comrades from the 'Buzz Lightyear' animated series and then occasionally have him replaced with a stunt double who looks nothing like Buzz at all, during the more intense action scenes. THAT should've been the movie that Andy saw back before Toy Story's story.
Everything about Lightyear doesn't scream a 90's movie at all. And something tells me the writers completely screwed up the timeline. They're more focused on wanting to write THE MESSAGE rather than actually be entertaining to the audience.
As a 13 year old girl with younger male siblings, Lightyear and Strange World was straight up toxic with their masculinity, like people, males are the same as everyone else. NOT ALL OF THEM ARE SHITTY!! See! Even me, a teenager, sees there is something wrong with the equation and not even grownass adults can see it!
If you have to say men are people too like the rest of us, if it has to come to that point. It has gone too far imo. You gotta take care of your brothers kid, the world is going to be very harsh to them.
This is the exact conversation I've been discussing with friends and family. We were talking about how movies are lecturing people. It's one thing with adults, but with children, you want them to feel like they're in a magical world and are about to be in an adventure. Not feel bad about existing or be lectured to accept things and keep your mouth shut. I haven't seen a new movie for a very long time. Film used to be a wonderful hobby of mine and now I cant enjoy anything because I'm being told how to act and feel. While there are movies that should make you think and discuss life, there are movies that are just meant to be enjoyed and escape reality for a while. There is no line anymore 😔
Finally somebody who feels the same pain as me . I just wanna watch films and not be pocked with the stick with the whole OBEY OTHERS thing. I'm tired of that as well.
Not a chance They're all about their woke agenda It's going to take that company to completely collapse before they come to realize maybe indoctrinating children shouldn't be our goal but entertaining them instead.
@@andrewreynolds912 same here, I have a love hate relationship with Disney because it's been a big part of my childhood, but I hate the direction the company has been going in over the past almost decade now.
@Sadi Masochist well critical drinker says he doesn't want to see the company to go but he doesn't mean they should burn and go they need to stop their crap yes but it's not always woke that's doing this, it's dum decisions, the treatment of VFX artists, etc it's way more darker than just this woke crap saying it's because it's just woke is pretty blinding
@@BIGARMADA1988 same I hate Disney with most of my heart, but deep down I still love them even tho we should all know that we can still like something even if we hate it and yes I do agree with that
I have a lot of toddlers around me and tbh, explaining such complex Topics to them, doesn’t work. They don’t get why boys and girls are different but then we should all be equal and so on.. that’s why a lot of parents would rather go to the more “traditional” way of educating - I.e boys use short hair, girls long hair, etc. and once they are old enough and have developed more their critical thinking skills THEN they teach them all the nuances.. I think it’s best way to go just to not confuse them with so many details but at the same time, you teach to respect everyone.
The other day I was with a friend, and we watched a clip of Moana and she said, "it's so great that today we have characters from other places rather than the same." I replied: "Today? But before we had Aladdin, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana..." She didn't reply after that hahaha…
Hollywood storytelling is so restricted these days, it's practically on rails and extremely predictable. That's why Puss in Boots: The Last Wish was such a breath of fresh air and my vote for family film of the year.
At the end of the day, most people don't want to be finger-wagged at for an hour plus. Particularly by a multi-billion dollar international corporation with a lot of dirt under the rug.
There's a lot of issues in Lightyear that honestly makes the "woke moment" almost an afterthought. Why did the ENTIRE ship have to land on the planet instead of sending a landing party, or a scout ship like millions of other sci-fi properties have? Why did the planet go from being the most hostile in the galaxy to suddenly habitable and safe to live on? The reason they crashed was because of Kaiju-sized vines that grabbed onto the ship and pulled it down. What if those same vines came back and just wiped out their whole base? They just accepted their fate and at no point do any of them say they're radioing for help. Are we to assume that ALL of Star Command was that single ship, and they just made home on the first planet they couldn't escape from? Some could argue I'm overthinking this but again, in a million other sci-fi properties, these would be problems that would be addressed, but they just... don't because the plot has to happen. Not to mention that those smaller vines went from being a threat to just, part of their normal lives. It feels weird that no one in that entire colony wanted to leave, that Buzz was the only one obsessed with getting back to space, but honestly what hurts this movie is that, I think, it's stuck between wanting to be that sci-fi property that Buzz Lightyear represented in the Toy Story universe, and being a Disney/Pixar movie. They can't be too violent, they can't have any deaths (no deaths by giant alien bugs or sentient vines at least), no cursing, and it has to be for kids/all ages. And then they shot themselves in the foot saying that it's a 90s movie, and it's the movie that made Andy want a Buzz Lightyear toy. No, Lightyear is the 2022 reboot of the 90s property that Andy took his kids to, and was disappointed in how they messed up his childhood franchise.
It's a far cry from movies like The Incredibles, that's for sure. It's sad to think that disney and pixar used to be capable of making dark, gritty, grounded movies that appealed to kids and adults equally, and now all we have are child proofed, soulless, condescending political lectures that don't appeal to kids or adults. It's too bad that the Incredibles was basically Disney's only foray into a more adult oriented style of animated movie. Not even the Incredibles 2 could follow in its footsteps. That kind of tone would have suited Lightyear well I reckon. It's meant to be a movie about an old-fashioned hero type after all.
Honestly, the worst part is truly down to evil Buzz (I refuse to call him Zurg). According to his own words, he just *FOUND* an alien warship in seemingly perfect condition, with a working army, human-useable mech suit, and presumably all the food and various other supplies he'd need to last 50 or so years on it. I can't get over that, because it feels half-assed beyond measure: Evil Buzz just *found* all this crap, and can use it, and that's that. The fact he also hotwired a bunch of human tech into it, when Buzz was never shown to be that smart is even worse, nevermind he somehow made the whole thing into a time machine with a time travel method I really don't think can be put in reverse.
Woke ideas are rarely ever the main problem. If you do it correctly, a gay relationship doesn't need to result in a conversation, it just doesn't. Messages of diversity and kindness can just be, a part of the movie. But it NEVER feels like it's actually a part of the movie. If feels like a fucking advertisment. Nobody, not even the people making it, like advertisements. The product is never a problem, it's always, always, the annoyance of the advertisement itself. If anything, adds have always made me hate the product more. I genuinely take a note not to buy certain things if they've been shoved in my face. That's real foreboding considering I'm a gay person. People could hate me because Disney is full of shit writers who are strawmaning my existence. (Not just gay, but feminism, racial diversity, any other "woke™" ideal)
My 7-year-old daughter guest how the characters resolved their concerns in The Strange World, she said "I think they will do it like Encanto, the dad learns from the son'.
I absolutely loved Puss in Boots 2. We saw it twice. Reminded me of the type of movie you’d get in the Disney renaissance … except even better. The themes of life and death were masterfully handled, the animation was beautiful, and the character design and development were superb. I love Goldilocks character design SO MUCH - a small detail but great to see cohesive work being done when everything else in entertainment is a garbage pile.
"[to Goldilock] I was always afraid it was too good to last. And whether you think we're your family or not, if this is something that will make you happy, we'll get you that wish" - Mama Bear this dialogue goes deeper than the entire MCU movies
@@boboboy8189 the depths a mother would go to to make her kid feel happy and loved, even if that involves them leaving her That part had me tearing up good
Remember the show "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command?" The pilot movie had a similar plot as "Lightyear," but did it MUCH better. Buzz worked alone because he was grieving the loss of his partner. Seeing how PIXAR brilliantly handles grief and loss before, THAT would've been a better fit for Lightyear than just being arrogant.
From what I heard Buzz Lightyear of Star Command wasn't actually a Pixar production, this is why it hasn't been acknowledged by Pixar since supposedly they were salty about Disney "playing with their toys" pretty much, and why Lightyear barely draws from it and claims that it was that and not BLOSC that Andy watched (but after Lightyear flopped the director backpedaled and now claims that BLOSC is a spin-off of Lightyear that inspired the toys in the Toy Story films). But you're absolutely right that BLOSC executed a lot of the same concepts much better (Such as Buzz having an actual reason for wanting to work alone, and the rookies not being laughably incompetent for no other purpose than to advance the plot like they are in Lightyear)
I agree with all your points. The fact that Disney thought it was a good idea to release Lightyear on father's day weekend with a main character that would attract boys (and all kids) only to wrap it around all those themes shows that they have lost their way
Your take on these films is insightful and right on the money. Disney, among other " entertainment " providers, has become a strident, progressive nag. Instead of relaxation and enjoyment, we are bombarded with lectures and messages, so I rarely watch any new movies at all.
Thing is, exploring any of these character traits and weaknesses as a study of *personality* would be totally fine. It's when it becomes clear that the character is really a token for a message, and a stereotype, that I begin to switch off.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the old Buzz Lightyear of Star Command Special where Buzz learns to rely and trust rookies while still ends up being the hero at the end. While it's not the best, it certainly has that 90s homage to it and you would totally understand why boys like Andy would want a Buzz Lightyear. Quite frankly its the same conflict done right. Buzz in that isn't a lone wolf because he's trying to hog glory for himself. He's a lone wolf because he feels incredibly guilty for the loss of his partner and he doesn't want to be responsible for a rookie's death.
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish was incredible, it has a great story, awesome characters, new villians, i also love the wild west feel of the movie with the wanted posters and all, Kitty made an awesome entry, Perrito was adorable, Puss was badass as always, Goldie and the Bear Crime family were actually not evil, Goldie understood the importance of her family, Jack tho, while he's not that scary, he's a bad guy, no reason, he's just bad and there's Death, who's f**king incredible, the final battle between him and Puss made me sit literally on the edge of my seat. My friends made fun of me for watching a children's movie, but they missed one of the best movies ever. I would easily give Puss in Boots: The Last Wish a 10/10, and Puss gained my respect and became my favorite fiction cat.
I didn't love the first Puss n Boots so I reluctantly watched the second and am glad I did. I was so entertained from the plot to the combat animation to insertion of fairytale characters to character development as well as not being predictable. And, that dog putting his chin on Puss' stomach made me tear up because it reminded me of my late min-pin/dachshund, Jack.
just saw critical drinker had done an interview with Chris Williamson, so i went through his playlist and saw you had done an interview with him titled "modern cinema patronises young women". Thoroughly worth watching.
Critical drinker is not the brightest I will admit. He is obviously quite surface level when it comes to reviewing movies and to often uses woke as some kind of all end joker card but I think when he actualy likes the movie he can make good points for why he likes it. I would not recommend him as a reviewer but more as a psycho anaylsis of an ego maniac
@@Ilyak1986 He really does not or at leat very rarely. If you look at his podcats he basicaly says the same things as in the reviews. His review of Glass Onion was real. No satire. It was still pretty fucking stupid
@@geniusgamerr4517 No I mean objectivly wrong. He outright tells lies of what happened in the movie and acts like things never happened. It is not an opinion on the movie that bugs me. He was objectivly wrong on soo many levels. For an example the twig snap scene The burned note scene The secret indentity part The wardrobe comment.
I think it's very noteworthy how Puss really did live an empty life where he's a rockstar but nobody to connect with. He didn't realize that and neither does the audience. It feels like we go on that journey in that cave scene when Puss comes to that realization. A very show rather than tell us. 1:28 I will say how is this any different from the way the movie explores Death? Arguably with an even more night-marish antagonist.
I'm so thankful that channels like yours exist. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who feels like the magic is lost with Disney because I'm too caught up with nostalgia. Thank you for explaining why that the quality in movies is declining in a manner I can't do myself.
I stopped watching new Disney stuff since 2016, a contrast to how much we continue to watch the classic Disney movies, which are some of the best ones ever made.
When DreamWorks is far better at making movies with great storytelling and incredibly written characters than Disney, that's where you take a moment to breathe a huge relieving sigh. Also, Disney is dying. Big time. Because when Disney tries to pander to literally everyone, including 'modern audiences', they end up pandering to no one. ABSOLUTELY. NO. ONE. P.S. Love your analysis. Keep it up.
@@liamphibia pretty sure to make something so universally loved they must have been aiming to beat EVERYONE. Clearly a product of love, of people trying to make the best movie they can. You can't hit the head if you don't aim high.
Your comment reminds me that in the late 2000-2010, Dreamworks was known for pumping out inferior movies to Pixar or Disney now. What an ironic turn of events.
That's not true. Disney panders to Twitter users. You know, the 2% of Americans who account for 80% of Twitter traffic. The people who Tweet all day instead of working and thus do not have any money to spend on movies. Disney has those "folx" LOCKED DOWN.
Pretty glad Dreamworks isn't bowing down to this woke movement. the logo change is pretty mid tho. edit: after Megamid 2 and KFP4, I can't help but think Dreamworks saw the movie industry today and thought that failure was the status quo.
They had the perfect chance to go ‘woke’ (I don’t like using that word) with The Bad Guys.., and they DIDN’T!!! And Puss in Boots just skyrocketed them to the top!!!
@@motor4X4kombat I honestly liked her. She didn't seem too overbearing, just wanting what is best for the "bad" guys. Which is needed in a movie where your supposed to root for the "bad" guys. She's basically the character who points out the good in our protagonist's
Companies really just see identity as a brand. A label to attach to things to make them marketable to a certain group of loyal people. and thats really what this is about. Controlling the audience rather than captivating them.
Exactly. And they just take a position that allows them to pit both sides against each other. If someone who wants the good representation they deserve to have is disgruntled by bad insincere tokenism in these movies, the other side will just throw their hands up and say those people are never satisfied and are demanding too much. If people on the other side rightfully call out how the representation is bad and dragging one gfoup down to prop another up, the first side will admit it’s bad but be afraid that they either get this or nothing at all. We both want something better from the companies, we both can be happy and find ways to be represented. But we need to find common ground to take a stand on, and that starts with knowing that the companies are the real threat here.
Top Gun 2 was a nice fun romp where the old hero still has a few tricks left. Avatar 2 feels like the first act of a new character arc, but I'm excited to see where it goes. Puss in Boots 2 feels like a full and complete story.
Disney be like, "Why do people love Last Wish so much? Puss is a toxic tomcat and it doesn't even have any queer characters." Disney these days is trying to make us think, but DreamWorks wants to make us feel.
I also love how The Last Wish actually has a diverse cast, but that doesn't even matter because their performances, their characters, and the writing all speak for themselves. That's how it should be! Strange World and Lightyear plaster themselves in so-called diversity with literally nothing else to back it up. They truly just have an empty checklist to go through, and that's all.
And even Jack was entertaining despite the lack of growth! One thing I loved was how some of the humor was based on how irredeemable he was willing to be. Even the cricket thinks he's horrible!
Well Death didn't really change, his opinion on Puss did and if anything Puss changed to the standard that Death approved of. Plus Jack Horner alone trumps all the villains Disney/Pixar had produced in like a decade
This is why I will forever adore the Shounen genre. It may be campy, or cringe at times but the fundamental values of heroism, bravery, friendship, selflessness, perseverance and even just plain kindness will forever remain timeless in any generation. Just think for a moment while Disney is busy telling your kids that masculinity is a toxic trait, stories like Black Clover and My Hero Academia is out here telling you that you're not defined by how many times you fall, it's how many times you stand back up is what matters, that in the face overwhelming odds you will find victory through sheer will, persistence, unshakable determination, and the desire to not just to lift yourself but those around you as well. While everyone in Hollywood is actively trying to vilify one gender, there's Shokugeki No Soma that will tell you that your gender has no influence in your success, what makes or breaks you is your willingness to learn and hone your craft. While the entirety of western entertainment has lost its grasp on the concept of love in its stories, a book like Kaguya-sama will remind you of how beautiful love is.
Literally the only western studio I can think of that does this as good as those studios is dreamworks with its film trilogies and several stand alone movies.
idk some lean too much into power of friendship and an overly extensive cast. as with everything, i only like the really good ones. and that exclude some major players like my hero academia and fairy tail. hate those. things need focus to be entertaining.
@@GraveUypo the power of friendship is also a metaphorical thing, where it's okay for you to need help from others. Usually, it's because the protagonist can't beat the bad guy on their own, buy with friends around they can fight harder
Another problem with "Lightyear" is that it's supposed to be one that Andy would have watched as a kid in the 90s. It's supposed to be the in-universe movie that launched the Buzz Lightyear action figures into toy stores. Honestly, that doesn't seem realistic. The Buzz Lightyear of Star Command cartoon does a better job of fulfilling this role than the movie. It seems like the kind of show a young Andy would watch and the kind of show made with the purpose of selling toys, like many toys in the 80s and 90s.
This old X young thing was ther core conflict in Turning Red and it's equally mishandled. The kid is so obnoxious and self-assured, and in the end her disobedience is 100% validated. She learns nothing, because she wasn't wrong in her rebellion.
For anyone who might be mistaken into thinking Lightyear made 26 mil profit, most Disney movies double their base budget when they start marketing the movie. Meaning that in order for Lightyear to be profitable, it would need to gross over 400 million. Task failed successfully.
Being impressed by a kids' movie is very refreshing to hear! There are two reasons for this: 1. It is heartwarming and reassuring to know that there are still movies we can take kids to, and they will be entertained and not lectured at. 2. Children's stories often are treated dismissively as if children are dumb and can be entertained by virtually anything cute-looking. This is untrue, as anybody who can remember their childhood can tell us. I recently discovered a 1990s cartoon I had not heard of before called "the fairly odd parents." Each episode is 10 minutes long and has: a plot containing a main character, 1-2 supporting characters, an antagonist, a conflict, tension, a climax, a resolution, and a lesson learned. It does this while being funny and not preachy in any way. There seem to be hundreds of episodes of this cartoon. I hope the writers are proud of their achievement! Anybody who wants to treat a "mere kids' show/movie" dismissively should try to write such a story themselves. Modern entertainment is very heavy on the "lessons that need to be learned" (unspoken: by the low intellect, probably racist, misogynist homophobic audience whom we Hollywoodies feel nothing but contempt for) but inadequate at the other requirements for good storytelling. Thank you for the video!
The older generations being seen as stupid was actually the major reason I didn't like Turning Red. There was no exchange and negotiation between the mom and the daughter. I 100% agree that the mom took it too far at points in the movie, but so did the daughter. But instead of making it a way for them to learn from each other, the movie ends with the daughter blatantly just deciding not to listen to the mom at all anymore and was treated as the hero in the right.
Kinda dangerous too imo... I just felt like she was pimping herself out in that movie, and with the mom portrayed as bad when she's against it... yikes
I loved Klaus for this reason. It would have been so easy for them to make the father figure at the beginning antagonistic, and for the son to go through his arc and be like "See dad, I CAN make it on my own--I showed you!" But instead, we got a father who loved his son enough to teach him a tough lesson, a son humble enough to adapt and accept that lesson, and a relationship that grew in mutual respect at the end.
I’m incredibly conflicted about Disney lately. I’ve ALWAYS the been The Disney One in my circle of family and friends, and I still pay for Disney+ to watch all of my favorite movies and programs. But a corner of me feels guilty for it now. I feel like Walt would be ashamed of his company’s movies lately and I hope someone there realizes and acts on it at some point. I don’t want to see Disney go under - it inspired me to study animation and now themed entertainment. It’s been too big of a piece of my growing up.
That’s what annoys me the most with these movies they demonize masculinity..pretty much all the men are depicted as weak dumb short sighted cowardly etc.
The hero hate started with Wreck-it-Ralph 2. That movie essentially emasculated Ralph while validating Vanellope who was actually the toxic one between her two.
So a family member got us a Disney+ subscription and I've tried to have fun and make heavy use of it. We watched Lightyear and my young son really liked it, and I think he was just excited because it had Buzz in it; we also found the TV show on TH-cam and have had fun watching that. After thinking more about the movie, I became annoyed at how Buzz's development seemed to be just coming to understand what some (better) person had already told him. I watched Strange World mostly by myself just to see it, and I was...not a fan. To me, the message was delivered so strongly that essentially everything revolved around it. I didn't like the characters who were delivering it, but I didn't like the other ones either. Ultimately I couldn't really identify with or care about hardly anyone in that movie. Thank you for spelling things out and letting me put my finger on a lot of what I had been thinking. I also need to check out The Last Wish now!
If you want a good Buzz Lightyear movie, I firmly recommend "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" and the ensuing TV show. I went back to watch it again, and honestly, it's better than I remember, and has a lot of stuff that feels like is missing from modern movies. Mira Nova is a GREAT strong female character, but she never outclassed Buzz - she locked horns with him, but it was always clear that Buzz had more experience than her and called the shots. Not to mention, I LOVED Zurg. He was so relentlessly malicious and reveled in his own villainy, he was funny, but when he got serious, you really feared his presence. Not to mention, he TECHNICALLY wins, if only for a short time. Plus, I loved Booster, he was clearly comedic relief, but he wasn't a big dumb muscle alien, he was actually probably the most studious of the group. And XR was actually entertaining and made a good comedic foil to the group. If you want Buzz Lightyear done right? Watch that movie and the animated series. They are just plain old fun!
That's the thing about 'representation'. When I was a kid, I could relate to white, English speaking characters or any character that doesn't look like me or speak the same language as me cuz of their journey. And to start the journey, they need flaws. And at the end they improve on their flaws. It's such a backhanded offer to give characters who look like 'the people' and not give them anything. Cuz the characters 'could'nt have flaws', they need to be 'perfect' or else. And perfect, most of the time means boring. Idk if you can make perfect characters work but from my experience, it's boring and frustrating seeing a 'hero' not learn anything and it's everyone else's fault.
There are ways to write a perfect character who doesn't need to learn moral or life lessons in a way that's enjoyable The early superman comics from the 40s and 50s were quite good at it Luffy from one piece or Sakamoto from Sakamoto Hercules was a good case
@@hoaujudaiyubel And yet you can still argue that even Luffy go through a growth. But I get the point, and that's the whole goal of "rock" character, like Gandalf : to see how the world change around them, not them changing.
@@hoaujudaiyubel oh yes. A million yes's, Sakamoto is a perfect example. I have a problem with writing characters like someone screwing up Sakamoto to make the bullies make sense and Sakamoto just gives up instead of shining through like a star. And imagine Hercules if he instead told people he's an expert beast slayer instead of the audience seeing it for themselves, or if he's fighting monsters like they're paid to make him look good. Basically imagine Hercules if he's Steven Seagal. Btw, thanks for mentioning them, proving that it's absolutely possible to do overpowered, perfect characters without making them look insufferable. I wanna say Saitama from One Punch Man but he's absolutely not a perfect character since he lacks passion, motivation and urgency to be a hero. The writing in that makes you feel bad for him when he actually tries and people either ignore or doubt him.
Your words reminded me of Dashrath Manjhi, Who in his grief of lost wife ventured alone to cut a path through a mountain, He was laughed at and was mocked by locals, but the best part is that this man really won over the mountain. The strength of a single person really overcame an immovable object.
When a dream works kids film that's a sequel to a spin off has me contemplating the message of its themes weeks after watching it I can tell it'll be a classic
Buzz isn't even treated as an experienced sergeant. I can understand if he is not an officer. But He's not even given the respect a man of years of field experience would be given. Rather fitting since most of the creators of these modern works don't have real life experience.
Agreed. 🙂 We just want a movie to be a good old story, not a moral lecture or rather a moral rebuke. Villains are bad & heroes are good! Right wins over wrong. The end.
Dreamworks has been hitting it outta the park recently, I had a blast watching "Bad Guys", but when I try watching the latest Disney animated films, it feels like I'm sitting in church, listening to a boring sermon, and being chided by the preacher for not being the perfect disciple. Perhaps one of the most beautiful animated films I have seen recently is Wolfwalkers, it's an Irish animated feature by Cartoon Saloon, it has good characters, great illustrations, tenderhearted story, and I recommend it to anyone looking for good art.
I often get play lists for a lady in Japan . She occasionally makes playlists of old Disney music . She is getting thousands of hits . What does that tell you?
THANK YOU for saying what so many people are too scared to admit about kids movies and "LGBTQ relationships". It's not something we should have to discuss with our kids especially at the age kids should be watching this movie. I don't even think half of Disney puts that stuff in there because they want kids to see it (although a good portion definitely do), I think they do it because they're making movies for adults in Hollywood giving awards. It's like modern art: designed for the college-educated elites who will value the art for showing some offensive gross thing while being detestable and ugly to most normal people.
Another thing I hated about light year, was that Buzz didn't feel like Buzz, in toy story he was clueless, heroic, oblivious, but still kind and a good friend. In light year, he was literally none of that. If I was Andy I would be like "Mom, turn it off"
Ikr, I think that Disney is trying to “appease the media” or some crap with these messages in their latest movies.
The Buzz in the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command cartoon show was far closer to his Toy Story counterpart.
Are you referring to Toy Story 1 or the Toy Story franchise?
He was just the clueless and oblivious part. They wrote him so that all the other characters could get the spotlight when it was his movie. This was suppose to be a movie about buzz lightyear, not 4 or 5 random people and then buzz lightyear 😑
Lightyear was a movie written by people who clearly never actually watched Toy Story and had no idea who Buzz was. Instead of a fun sci-fi action adventure movie, we got a space drama that was boring and not interested in following the story of Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story
12:14 I don't think it's silly at all. _Puss in Boots 2_ really tries (and succeeds) in writing an fun, yet mature story, which deals with heavy themes like the inevitability of death surprisingly well, and also how terrifying anxiety attacks can be. Yet the movie deals with those without feeling pandering. What I really like about Puss' panic attack in the film is how it is treated as a serious thing, and with respect. You don't see characters making fun of him or treating as a joke, and you don't see Perrito suddenly going like "This is my time to shine and finally fulfill my dream of becoming a therapy dog!"; no, he just approaches Puss, and rests his head on him. It's a nearly silent, quick moment that delivers an emotional punch to the gut, and it works wonderfully.
Don’t forget kitty is a far more likable and entertaining “strong female character” than anything Disney has come up with in years
@@idawg7332 Not to mention, she counts as a disabled character (invisible)
This. And to be clear, Puss in Boots has plenty of modern ideas. Kitty is a strong female lead, Puss has plenty of vulnerabilities and fears as well as a toxic masculine complex, Perrito shows that it’s ok to have therapy help, etc. The reason Puss in Boots pulls these ideas off so well is because it’s organic. It’s as if it was never the main goal to prove these points; they just showed up while a different plot was going on.
@@Trewq79 I'm willing to bet not of that was intentional as well. Making them better than those actively trying to achieve that.
Not to mention, Jack Horner, much like Dr Eggman… was just such the perfect villain. A completely irredeemable monster that we have no reason to root for, but extremely entertaining and hilarious.
I'm a grown-ass man and I still tear up at Perrito comforting Puss during his panic attack. No words, no swell of emotional music, just a quiet scene and an incredible moment between two characters. Imagine Disney trying to do that scene. These days I think they're literally incapable of writing genuine character growth moments like that.
I don’t think Disney has majorly moved me since Mulan-THE ANIMATED Mulan. Genuinely funny and heartwarming-but with a feminist message that isn’t cringe inducing. Her father comforting her for being a late bloomer? Mulan sneaking out and heading to probably her death to save him? The emperor and ALL OF CHINA bowing to Mulan in thanks? What happened to the Disney staff from that time period?
And Perrito is awesome he reminds me of my boyfriend and is so cute he's a wonderful character just like Puss 😊
@@mediabreakdown8963 Mulan is actually feminist, she never put traditional feminine women down even if she didn't fit them. Those pro women movies are not feminist they put traditionally feminine women down even though feminism is for all women, not just the ugly monstrosity ones.
@@mediabreakdown8963 What about Lilo and Stitch? That movie is all about family drama.
@@crestofhonor2349 To be fair…I do like Lilo and Stitch, and Emperor’s New Groove, and even some more recent offerings. But this disturbing trend of remaking old Disney films and fixing things that didn’t need fixing…it’s like a master class on making films worse. Can anyone tell me they like any of the remakes better?
Let's not forget that head of Pixar, Pete Doctor, said that Lightyear failed because they "expected too much of the audience." Even in today's climate I've never heard something so condescending from a studio head. This movie earned it's failure.
"Disney movies nowadays feel more like a lecture." *YES!* Right on point.
A lecture with the worst moral lessons ever.
@@CBman11037 They are lessons in immorality.
Fans to Disney: Stop lecturing me!
@@logooniguy1426 exactly…..Disney notoriousgroomers, including some employees arrested for child p. Indoctrinationchildren to their viledemented agendas.
A bad lecture made by the guy who doesn't really know what they are talking about because their research was basically "saw it on the internet" and obviously they will be pedantic about you just seeing sth on the internet....🙃😑
Describing Disney movies as lectures lacking nuance is right on the money. I have to wonder about the priorities of the board when they see this stuff, are they really looking after shareholders or do they have different ambitions in mind?
Shareholders. Apparently there's a variable in place for that. It came out when Netflix had their Chapelle scandal early last year. Netflix stock went down cause of his special and the twitter reactions it created, despite actual increased earnings.
I have similar thoughts: If you look closely, Strange World and Lightyear are extremely conservative stories with a progressive packaging.
What's the message? Keep status quo, don't try to overcome any boundaries. There is nothing out there. Don't try to improve.
It doesn't get any more conservative than this.
They look progressive, but they are the complete opposite. Maybe that's the point: Teaching children keep in line and NOT to rebel against anything because society is perfect the way it is. Never argue with the crowd...
That's healthy. 🙈
It’s all about the agenda
@@artificus7316 thats the fucking irony. these " woke" people are the once who are fucking knocked out and need a serious awakening
It's the ESG scoring system (Environmental, Social, and Governance issues) propagated by Larry Fink and BlackRock, which own significant shares of Disney. If they're not woke enough, their ESG scores decline, which affects "attractiveness to investors" and consequently their share price.
I once knew a girl who liked villains so much that she hated heroes for ruining their fun.
She didn't care about the innocent people victimised by these characters, she thought it was funny.
I'm seeing a lot of movies/tv shows now that seem to hold the same beliefs and it's ruining storytelling because the creators just don't get it.
Right? Like I get wanting to make cool villains, and that you want heroes to be “cool” just like those villains, but making them toxic and uncaring and selfish and overpowered and among other things, but those “heroes” need to at least understand that what they are doing is wrong and try to fix it at the end of the movie
Also! What happened to goofy kind hearted heroes? Heroes who don’t kill not because they are afraid of bloodying their hands, but because they genuinely believe that there is good in everyone?
Heroes who will get pushed back and slammed to the ground over and over and over again, but always stand back at the end with more understanding of the world?
What happened to a hero who is kind hearted because of ignorance of the world who goes through so much they lose there innocent but still hold their too big of a bleeding heart in their hands for everyone, not because they are still ignorant, but because now they have another reason to help
I just miss having a kind hearted hero who is actually a hero, you know?
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You and me both.
The problem is that we have real-life scum trying to write heroes.
They can't do it, it's like Palpatine's/Lex Luthor's/Skeletor's/The Romulans/Blofield's retelling of history.
She sounds like she has sociopathic and narcissistic tendencies.
Well, its not like these new Disney villains are any better.
It reminds me of an One Punch Man character that did the same
Agreed. Dreamworks ALLOWS Puss to be a hero, Disney DOESN'T allow Buzz to.
Or Icarus, or Dr. Strange (or Wanda for that matter), or Ant Man, or Hawkeye. At least Kamala got to be a hero (fighting an amalgamation of immigration and the FBI - because, in the end, the demon from another dimension willing to erase this one to get home isn't the villain, America is). The only heroic hero Disney put out was Spiderman (and that was really made by Sony).
@@liljenborg2517 I'm glad sony has spiderman at least they dont screw up with heroic characters like Disney does.
@@unknow3000 imagine if they do that, tho. Like, we have THREE Spider-Man in the movie, but the real hero is Zendaya's MJ, I would flip.
@@arthurmorganSUN the world would fuckin riot and burn down each Disney land and world across the globe
He's allowed to because he's Hispanic 😂
I think narcissism and masculinity get confused waaay too much. It's about setting aside your ego at times when it's necessary, not abandoning your gender.
They kinda have to since narcissism goes strongly against traditional masculine values. They're forced to throw in the narcissism to make the character carry the horrible message they want.
Yep, plenty of narcissistic women too
You know what bothers me about the whole thing? How male characters even with reasonable "masculine" traits like self-pride, confidence, and toughness are often shamed for being toxic, while female characters with actually bad masculine traits like being insensitive, being bullies, beating people up for any perceived sleight against them, bellicose behavior, narcissism, meanness, and generally being peacocking dickheads are praised as "strong female characters".
@@volundrfrey896Precisely why it’s impossible to be a man and believe in things like Stoicism and Spartan moral law now a days. It’s always just give up the fight, accept you can’t change who you are, things around you, and move on. JUST, GIVE, UP!!!!
Disney basically uses controvertial topics for two things:
- To gain attention, both good and bad, which traduces in revenue
- To deflect critics to their work as intolerance or hate speech
Their buzz phrase "hate speech" meaning morphed and translated as
"Hate speech is when people who disagree, criticize me"
You know what really irks me, and I say this as a black guy? How movies love to use the "straight white man bad" trope and then get mad at straight white men for not liking it as if that's not a perfectly reasonable reaction to an unfair artificial stereotype. It'd certainly piss me off if movies always used the black guy as the villain, and then they called ME a bigot for not liking it.
@@ScrambledAndBenedictI'm wondering if that trope isn't created out of "anti-racism" in its true sense of the word (was it Ibrahim Kendi that coined it?). That is, responding to past discrimination with reverse current discrimination. At least historically, the "black man bad" movie trope had some legs. And the "black character dies early, probably saving a white character" trope was one I noticed in Hollywood action or horror movies when I was younger, though not as much now, if at all.
My sister's Asian, and we've noticed a trend in Hollywood youth movies where if there's an unattractive nerd in a friend group, he is almost guaranteed to get or have an attractive Asian girlfriend with a pair of glasses slapped on to make her look a little nerdy 🤓 It's super cringe.
It's so predictable that wokesters will keep regressing on any progress made since MLK and friends with their toddler level understanding of diversity, people and, well, anything really.
My brother is one of these cult members, unflatteringly hyper focusing on genitals and skin color, speaking of "representation" while not understanding what most of the words he's using actually means. And so full of hipocrisy it'd be comical if it weren't so sad (talking of perceived discrimination by co-workers, mentioning how he, too, used to make funny Asian voices (the "I found out I'm racist, therefore you are too" logic of what's-her-face), then literally three hours later mockingly mimicking the voices of his two Philipina cleaning ladies in an attempt to get a laugh).
As a white man, I feel more represented by Baggage Claim (whose skin color I don't know and don't care about, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a penis) than billions of men, white or whatever. I feel more represented by Black Conservative Perspective than hundreds of millions of white men or women.
These people are drowning themselves in their own inch-deep puddle of divisive woke word salad 🥗 😂
@@TheRealJellyBomb It very well might be, but the issue I have with it is it's embracing discrimination rather than challenging it. If all you do is move the crosshairs from one group of people to another, you're still embracing the idea that it's acceptable to treat groups of people differently based on the color of their skin, their sexuality, their gender, etc. Even if it's done in a self-aware "responding to discrimination" sense, it's still using discrimination in a positive way and thus validating it. Which I find to be incredibly wrong. We need to have an all or nothing approach to such things. Either it's okay to discriminate, or it's not; we can't decide discrimination is okay or not based on the race of whoever it's aimed at.
Frankly, it seems like Disney’s attitude to representation these days is “putting others down to prop others up.“
Cept in the movie on the thumbnail to this video, in which a lot of hateful bigots are using to put down the entire gay/lesbian community in order to prop up their bigoted conservative christian views, which are backed by pseudo-science, which dictates that our biology is responsible for half our decision making and how we *should* *be* regardless of what we want.
Everyone's, not only Disney
And race swapping. Either make a new character who is totally blant and has no flaws, basicly is just his/her skincolor/sexuality, or race/genderswap a beloved character, as if this somehow works. Guess which characters are still used in merch and video games? Exactly, the original animated versions.
It's not that greate to only bring up these two movie as if you look at the whole of Disney movie history a lot of there movies have focused on women especially there most well know fairytale movies. And if you look at other movie and TV shows you see more examples of the white characters getting focus while shunting aside a lot of the poc characters. This is especially seem in a lot of the tv shows. I think Disney is realising that there other demographics that can be focused on. Also I think it in some way to sort of address the past that Disney had a racism.
@@toongrowner1 yeah, for example angrboda from New God of War game. Being the future loki's wife she has no chemistry with him and tbh no personality at all. And meanwhile we have Thrud being the background character and has more impact on the story, characters and fanbase lol.
Bad writers tend to project themselves into what they write; I'd love to say it's some sort of conspiracy but that's really all there is to it. You have weak writers hired for political reasons writing the only way they know how and those overseeing them are too scared to say "look, not every character you write should reflect your personal values".
Disney writer wrote script like they're from Wattpad fanfiction.
read up on ESG score and how it affects companies products. This system is the reason you see everything you love go to shit.
@@aaaagamedev3524 And that score is just straight up useless, considering the top ranking companies invest on China...
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HAHAHAHA true facts-- and unfortunately, weak writers ONLY know how to write characters with their views. Which is why all their antagonist fall flat. They literally cannot put themselves into the shoes of someone else outside of their perspective, and they have the nerve to call everyone else small minded and afraid of outsiders.
Writing a good character takes two things. The first is introspection. The second is apathy towards that character.
The first reason is fairly simple. You need to know where you end and your character begins, and need to know how much of 'you' you need to put into the character to get them started. And I say started because the process of developing a character is not simple. Good characters will change and develop over the course of writing to reflect the story's environment, themes, struggles, and tone. Having a kernel, a non-blank slate that a writer can latch onto in order to get that started is valuable.
The second reason is so you can hurt the character, punish them, throw them through hell, and maybe even kill them for the sake of the story. Modern Disney movies have been putting their writer characters above the story and it's easy to see. Their pet characters get the golden treatment while every strawman character gets made an example of. Meanwhile Puss tangos with the literal personification of Death and is traumatized for it.
Disney took one of the most beloved characters from Toy Story and ruined him completely.
Puss in Boots, on the other hand, was such an incredible movie. It’s been a while since we had one.
Yes!
from a side character, to have his own (first) movie, to being a legendary hero and character
At least this Buzz is "supposed to be a new character". In Toy Story 4, they also ruined the actual Buzz and also Woody by making them both bumbling idiots to prop up Bo Peep, the "strong independent woman" character.
@@hittingyouoverthehead Honestly, I’m referring to the first three movies. I know they ruined their perfect conclusion in Toy story 4.
@@ninthefrog3911 I'm just saying, Lightyear was bad but that didn't really bother me because the Buzz in that movie isn't the Buzz we know and love so I didn't care that he sucked.
And their obsession with pushing non white characters and women to the forefront by putting male characters down is taking over everything. In Incredibles 2, Bob is no longer strong and resourceful like the first movie. He's weak and childish while Helen is the hero.
Someone pointed out something really cool in the last wish
*spoilers*
When puss is witnessing his past lives, they don't preach to him what he needs to hear. Puss realizes it all on his own. Character growth and agency right there, so damn refreshing
2022 was Disney's worst year yet.
2022 was DreamWorks BEST year yet.🌙
DreamWorks best year since shrek
But Amy schumer is in trolls 3
@@MikeWazowskixxx
I beg your pardon?
@@liamphibia what the trailer says also David diggs aka ugly Sebastian is in it so actually dreamworks isn’t bullying Disney it working with it cause they actually both like each other & watch illumination
It sucks their about to ruin the recent streak with a how to train your dragon remake. And trolls 3
“They feel like a lecture.” Yes exactly! Perfectly sums up some of my feelings.
Right??
@@BaggageClaim also great job with the video. You’re very good at speaking, it’s something I struggle with so I admire your talent with getting your point across
Yeah and when I’m watching I’m all like “…why you yelling at me what did I do?” 😂
As the TH-camr “The Canadian Lad” said, “Don’t write strong female characters, write strong characters who are female.” And I think this also applies to every possible character trait
Well, you got situation is like Aloy from horizon zero dawn guess what it was a huge success
@@kevingame3198 or Jolyne from JJBA
@@kevingame3198 Oh, loved that game. I still play it when i feel bored.
@@kevingame3198 Even Aloy is destroyed as a character now, the first game was good but the second game is an insane woke fest. they even made her ugly on purpose just to own the average "gamer".
Seriously there are bad movie with bad movies with male and also good movies with a female
It’s more about the script than anything .
Puss In Boots: The Last Wish was so refreshing. I was thrilled that not only was it not a pandering, lecturing mess, but it was a lovely tale about a character we cared about having his own flaws and mortality. I love how easy it was to live that film.
It was amazing
Good grief my phone mangled that comment - should be "facing his flaws" and "love that film". Oh well.
@@BaggageClaim This is clickbait. The director didn't come across as someone who deliberately wanted to tone down or emasculate or humiliate Buzz. In fact, I think some artists overthink what they create and sometimes miss the brand. In his eyes, he thought he made Buzz a complex super serious character
I also loved the side story of Goldilocks and the bears about being adopted and different yet still one of them. Woke ideology would have her be unable to be truly a member of the family and have her leave to be with her own kind and kept segregated.
@@suzygirl1843 Not only was Buzz not the hero, he was actually the villain too. Even if the director didn't talk emasculation, the current Hollywood zeitgeist of deconstructing heroes is the water they all swim in. It basically has to be intentionally avoided to prevent it from ending up in films now.
Ironic how Disney has become the very thing they’ve been preaching: a stubborn old entity unwilling to listen to anyone trying to genuinely help, pushing blindly ahead on a path doomed to failure.
Of course Disney hates heroes.
The villains always hate heroes.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I love how Puss in Boots has become the modern example of how great movies are done!
That's Right And Death Is Badass Like The Rest Of Other DreamWorks Villains From Past Movies
Probably Bad Guys too
Spider verse 2 was amazing
@shadowyarts6150
Animated films were successful to a big part on the novelty of CGI/animation but these days we're jaded and need more. If you're hung up on the dying platform of 2-hour something cinemas then sure, get depressed, but if you want to not be a depressive critic then know that the series format is thriving and most animated series these last years are (I think) often superior to most animated films in the past.
I don't like the spiderverse films but alot of people seem to, and with Puss in Boots, I'd say the hitrate is pretty damn good for animated films too.
@@blurgle9185 "animated films were successful to a big part on the novelty of CGI.." all these iconic characters & villains we loved/feared only because of technical innovations, yeah for sure.. I realize now that I only ever enjoyed robin hood cause of the amazing animation, not cause of the music or all the amazing characters.
It's this kind of misconception which leads to newer works with fancy animation indeed but with blank characters no one can relate with..
Audiences: "We want ABC."
Disney: "Well here's XYZ. Give us money."
Audiences: "No."
Disney: "Bigots!"
Not sure which I want more, for them to learn their lesson and start telling good stories again, or to completely crash and burn.
Well, there's one thing we can be sure of : they WILL either learn their lesson, or crash and burn... But I really hope it will be the first option.
You could compromise and go LMNO, the middle, and they'd still reject it DEMANDING the scale be on their end or deem you bigots, ...phobes, racist, all that. That's how bad it is.
They should crash and burn.....
Disney is so disgustingly rich that for them to crash and burn you would need decades of people not watching or consuming Disney content
I vote for the latter, make an example of a multi-billion dollar corporation and the entire industry WILL take notice.
I’d say my biggest complaint about Lightyear, compared to the other complaints I had, was the portrayal of Zurg. I was so incredibly disappointed to see who Zurg turned out to be 😑 Why can’t Disney just make a great villain these days like what Puss In Boots 2 masterfully did?!
You mean Zurg. "Zerg" are the insectoid enemies in Starcraft. I'd love to see them in a movie.
@@Grasslander Considering how boring was that Warcraft movie, I wouldn't hold any hope
Especially since Wayne Knight gave us a great Zurg in Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.
Disney has become so obsessed with the idea of the "Twist" villain or the villain being some contortion or reflection of the main characters thinking that's "Deep" writing that they've COMPLETELY forgotten how to write good, straight forward villains that have instant appeal for one reason or another.
Puss n Boots 2 had all THREE forms of a traditional villain; Goldilocks was the sympathetic villain, Jack Horner was the straight forward bad guy who owned his lack of morality wholesale, and Death was the neutral evil that is a force of nature made villain only through circumstance but is utterly terrifying for that reason.
What does Disney have?
A catalogue of twist villains and self reflection. EVERY character either turns out to be suddenly evil without any real character to make them compelling at all OR the villain was one of the main characters the whole time and it's time to reflect on yourself. Self reflection isn't bad, but jesus, Disney has played this card so many times at this point that it is mind numbing.
@@Impalingthorn couldn’t have said it better myself 👏🏻
It’s an odd feeling seeing where Disney is headed nowadays. I love animation as a medium, not just a genre. What happened to: “We’re not telling stories for kids, but we’re telling stories for the kid inside all of us.”
You mean what happened to telling a story , full stop.
These movies feel like a shoppinglist where u check all the boxes , mixed with dialogue written by bad AI
@@luufiathe stories were written by actual humans. If AI trained on their stories, the AI would become writers of bad stories
They don't about kids no more, it's all checking boxes now.
To prove your point further about the whole "masculinity being toxic" concept, let's use Arnold Schwarzenegger's character from "Predator" as an example. I didn't respect that character because he magically figured out that he had to ask for help from good friends to out thwart the Predator because dealing with scary monsters on your own is impossible. I respected his character because despite being the traditional masculine man, he had to figure out a way to deal with this scary monster trying to hunt him on his own while being terrified.
My four year old niece loves Buzz Lightyear and saw all three Toy Story movies, and upon watching Lightyear my brother said not only did she fidget the whole time and fell asleep half way, but she wasn't interested in watching the movie again. Now upon showing her "Star Command", she sat and watched every episode with intrigue and interest. She remembered 80% of characters from the Star Command show and could only recall two characters from Lightyear, which definitely says something
Your 4 year old niece has taste
Someone that young having the ability to distinguish good movies and bad movies is actually impressive
@@trypticon8619 Thank you. My niece is a pleasure to watch movies with for this reason 🥰😆
Nobody is saying all masculinity is toxic, it's a certain type that is harmful, hence 'toxic masculinity' not 'masculinity being toxic.' I am a man, I have seen toxic masculinity, it's not Arnie fighting aliens.
I honestly don't know why anyone thought that doing this Lightyear movie was a good idea. I didn't watch it but just hearing and reading about it made me think why!? We had the Star Command animation we really didn't need this movie.
Being impressed with "Children's movies/shows" is not a problem.
"Avatar the Last Airbender" is technically a kid's show but it has a depth of storytelling absent from most things that get made.
I just see things as good stories, some of them are a bit more explicit and some rely more heavily on implication is all 😉.
Great video! Thanks for the recommendation!! 😸
I love that show!
@@BaggageClaim I know!! It's soooo good! 😁
Honestly, kids deserve better media. Stuff that’s worthwhile and is actually entertaining with actually relatable/likable characters and not something made so a hollyweird director can get a temporary ego boost.
And ATLAB had strong diversity and female empowermet messages, but unlike todays media..ATLAB interweaves the message into the story.
Katara, Toph, Korra, Azula is even the baddest toughest fighter. But nobody questioned it. You genuinely believed bcos they showed her childhood drive to be the best, better than the rest.
We were not lectured or spoken down to. 😎
@@sir.raphimrevelator8644 Don't forget Suki and the Kiyoshi warriors 😉
The fact that it's called Lightyear but he's not the hero is just a long line of movies deconstructing, subverting, and effectively destroying existing characters. It's much much harder to subvert something new! So they keep destroying existing characters until there will be literally *none* left.
I was thinking just the same thing! The same way they destroyed Luke Skywalker in the new movies.
@@lolamalu I first remember being shocked seeing the (little known) BBC adaptation of Agatha Christie's "ABC Murders" in 2018, where Poirot was completely deconstructed. But you made me realize "The Force Awakens" is even earlier than that, in 2015!
It's about destroying heroic action IMO. "Be yourself", but, like, don't risk too much or work so hard that others will feel "less than". Jeez, you have to wonder whether América would've been discovered in this generation, but then, that was also a cruel colonialist mistake, right?
That's partially why I was surprised they made Strange World. Obviously it failed, but for once Disney didn't just use an existing IP and existing characters to tell their garbage story. They made an entirely new movie to showcase their garbage characters and stories and it was rightfully a big flop. At least it flopped without taking down established characters like Lightyear and other recent movies and shows. I hope they do that more. This way it'll be very obvious there's not a big audience for this stuff and they might cut it out, or if something succeeds it won't be based on nostalgia and memberberries.
@@iSOBigD They somehow made Cars 3 work with this mindset of "bring in someone new, but hey remember the older characters of this franchise, here's them passing the torch." so why they can't do it in Marvel or other properties is mind blowing. Storm doesn't respect Lightning sure, but the fact that Cruz Ramirez was actually inspired BY Lightning is just....I dunno I love that. It rings true to so many of us young ladies out there-we look up to a lot of male figures, both in real life and fiction.
AND THAT'S OKAY. She was inspired by his wins, by his racing, and that in turn inspired him to be her mentor, just as Doc was inspired to be his mentor when he saw Lightning change. It didn't feel like the modern day "see here's this young GIRL BOSS who can do things so EASY." movie because it wasn't.
Cruz struggled with her self worth and confidence, it wasn't until she finally raced against Lightning and trained with him that she saw her skills. It managed to not only subvert most expectation of "okay Lightning will retire and Cruz will take his spot" but it told a good lesson of "go out on your own terms, respect those who came before, and pass the torch on when you're ready."
IF ONLY DISNEY COULD REMEMBER THIS WHEN IT COMES TO MARVEL GOD DAMMIT. I mean even SCREAM FIVE passed the torch better than most of their movies.
As a father you literally read my mind. I'm not trying to explain LGBTQ+ to my 3yr. Sometimes we just want to watch spacemen and dinosaurs
Someone else said it here in the comments, but I agree:
"It's all just woke nonsense rather than genuine entertainment."
I just started re-watching old Tom and Jerry spoofs from the 40s and 60s on HBO Max and I'm surprised how much plot and simplicity they always managed to fit into 7 minutes.
Was there borderline misogyny here in there? Sure, the romantic episodes were from a dated time period, but do I think these episodes deserve to be canceled by our woke / cancelculture gen z?
No. I don't. Stories today are not what they used to be 25 years ago because people just don't care to tell a genuinely good story with a beginning middle and end.
The only kind of stories you can find like that are in shows like Gravity Falls or Adventure Time
@a little late lotus blossom 🌸
Talking about Tom and Jerry, as a kid, I always thought the Black housekeeper was the owner of the house.
@@countofdownable
OH MY GOSH ME TOO
RIP, How naive and wrong we were as children
Literally? She LITERALLY read your mind? Not as a figure of speech, the opposite of literally?
@@Grasslander
Yes. She has powers beyond your comprehension.
She once consumed the English with fireballs from her eyes, and bolts of lightning from her arse.
As an "adopted" kid myself (grandmother took care of me since I was 8 months old) every time Goldi-lock's scene comes up I am ALWAYS moved to tears. I have found NO OTHER movies that can do this. Not the beginning of UP, not even not even Iroh's Tale.
Puss in boots is an amazing movie about a cat that wants to chase a shooting star.
I’m the opposite I cry at the beginning of up and iroh’s tale but not the goldi-lock scene
Man it's the end of irohs tale that gets me.
As a Latino (my dad being Puerto Rican and my mom being Cuban) I just want to watch a movie I can enjoy that has a meaningful thought provoking message. Representation is great but I want something enjoyable for years to come because what connects me to a character is not their sexuality or the color of their skin, it's their innermost personal struggles that they have to deal with and overcome these obstacles.
@@SeRSi239 Thank you. This new ideology that "What?! This fictional character isn't the same race, religion, gender, financial situation, and orientation as me? I cant watch this movie. Turn it off!" Is awful.
Same as an Asian
Una respuesta perfecta!
Studies have shown that you are a vast minority. Most children absolutely want their gender and race represented. Just because you don’t think you want it doesn’t mean representation isn’t important
Same. Focusing completely on race is just patronizing. Give me a good character please.
Crazy thing is that there was a time when children's movies were mostly about ethics, moral lessons, friendship, love, family and learning to surpass your limitations...strange times!
that's because said "children's movies" today aren't made for actual children anymore. they're made for and by petty, greedy, immature adults that run Hollywood today
Of course that was back when filmmakers weren't emotionally stunted troglodytes with less maturity than the kids they were making the films for.
Now it's about subtlety pushing a stupid agenda to said children. Disgusting
I guess having a gay kiss for two seconds cancelled all of that out
@@marcbrown6582 If they wouldn't had made so much propaganda i wouldn't even notice that, but the movie is bad, buzz is pathetic and the story is sad!
Bad writing?
Hamfisted messaging?
Pandering?
Rushed productions?
Corner cutting?
All of the above?
Disney: yes
WOW! I just realized that Lightyear is the near exact opposite of Moana. One person goes out on an adventure to "save" everyone with the "everyone" telling the one to not "go beyond" what is already known.
Moana is a racial woman, so it's OK for her.
Woman as an intrepid explorer: Good
Man as an intrepid explorer: Bad
@@tamagochifromhell Maybe if Buzz had a jammin' theme song...🤣
@@LadyDecember This is just their formulaic structure in their movies is they make their male characters are bad role models.
@ichaelis It’s sad that we used to hate Moana for being overly cliche. But now, even worse cliches have taken its place.
I think what makes Disney's idea of "representation" often so unlikable is the clear ulterior motive behind it. They just want brownie points for being "woke" because that's what they think will get them the best reviews and the most money. There's a huge difference between setting an arbitrary quota for "diversity" out of pandering (which is what Disney is doing) and coincidentally happening to have a few (or even a ton of) "diverse" characters simply because they got imagined into existence that way by the writer. A diverse cast existing because it "just felt right" to the creator is so much better than insincere pandering.
The panderers think their audiences can't tell the difference or won't care as long as there is representation. On the flip side , there ARE those whiny chuds who keep labeling ANY sort of diversity, regardless of writing quality, as "too woke", and I want them to shut the hell up, too. They give sensible people who have legitimate criticism about poorly written diversity a bad name.
It feels like tokenisation more than true representation. So yeah, not useful at all.
Encanto was a better way to do it: exploring a different culture, rather than stripping minorities of their own culture and plopping them into the movie.
This is especially true considering Disney’s hypocrisy regarding topics around the queer community, racism, misogyny, etc.
The saddest thing for me is that I can't enjoy movies with my family. They wanted to watch Lightyear, they thought it was good, but I didn't. I can't enjoy it and ended up spoiling the mood, becoming the joy killer for them. I just don't know what to do anymore. Puss in Boots 2 was awesome for me to enjoy with them, finally.
Don't watch movies with them that's something you can do
its not your fault they have no taste
@@DeadPiixxelyeah he should just isolate himself from his family. Movies aren't meant to bring the family together.
That buzz situation was my situation with my parents in puss in boots 2 my parents just... didn't like it one bit when I was hyping It up to be as great as it is but after the movie ended they literally came up to me and said "that movie wasn't great you lied."
One of the biggest differences between Strange World / Lightyear vs Puss in Boots the Last wish is that....in both disney films, masculinity trades are only toxic in male (as you say WHITE), while in Puss in Boots, everyone is FLAWED without ever touching the subject of toxic male masculinity or color of skin or anything....Goldie wants a real family despite having her perfect family RIGHT THERE, Kitty don't trust anyone after what Puss did, but she is wrong in closing the door to everyone, Puss is arrogant and want to be fearless again despite that life keep him all alone...all our main characters have flaws, but all get to be AWESOME, Puss maybe arrogant, but he is a HERO and the first scene showcase that to perfection, you cheer for him been a great intrepid fearless hero, never that is frame in a TOXIC WAY, yes he is too self center which cost him to lose a life, but he been a hero and saving the people of del mar is not the negative flaw he need to overcome. Is something sad to see of all companies DISNEY having issues with this now....like, they didn't have these problems in 2017? Moana was a good film, Coco, Inside Out, hell even Frozen and Big Hero 6, have compelling good main characters with flaws, and how many other amazing stories Disney and Pixar have, Toy Story 1 to 3, Up, Wall E, Finding Nemo, Aladdin, Tarzan, Treasure Planet, Atlantis, The little Mermaid, Beatty and the Beast, the Lion King.....what happen to the company that give is SO MANY GOOD COMPELLING STORIES, now all is virtual signalling, wokeness, Toxic fans, toxic masculinity, force diversity and race swap or gender identity politics......preaching to no end.....they are even stock behind in ANIMATION....when was the last time a Disney film actually did innovations in the animation department? While look what films like Spiderverse, Puss in Boots the last Wish, The Mitchells vs the Machines, now TMNT Mutant Mayhem, are doing experimenting with frames and animation blend of 2D and 3D hybrid that cost LESS than the plain 3d style of Pixar, and looks LEAPS better......what is happening? When Disney will stop doing this and became that company that actually TRIED to tell good stories?
Well said!!
Disney seems to have lost focus on WHY they made movies and tv shows in the first place. They used to make shows to ENTERTAIN but now they make shows for profit and profit alone... :(
Dude what? People were already complaining and complaining about ''uh woke hollywood'' in 2017, and you must be very young if you believe otherwise.
I believe Disney has just stopped caring about animation and is more dead set in pushing their live action stuff like Marvel, Star Wars, and their soulless live action remakes
@@legrandliseurtri7495 not at this level, yes I remember SJW crap even in 2016 and 2015, but was not at the stupid amount DISNEY been pushing it, this shit start been very noticeable in 2020, before that wasn't this goddamn annoying, I have zero issues with diversity ans stuff like that, I'm from Latin America after all, but this focus on JUST THAT over story and character have become a 2020s problem that seems Disney mostly have not been able to put their head out of their own butts with it....Netflix, WB, DC, Amazon do it as well, but they still deliver good content with story and characters, Disney is becoming too woke to the point they can't care less about story now days.
Puss in boot also feels like it has an refreshing animation style compared to Disney movies . Puss in boots feels much more exciting and overall the animation is just so good.
design is not cliche like every Disney princess movie since 2011. i still want realistic but cartoonisj design like Rango (2011) it's the best one so far
Puss in boots 2 animation is not 100% CGI but uses CGI +drawn animation to give 2.5D design, same as Arcane series. And this artstyle fits Puss the best.
@@kraftik5300 kind of like the animation style from spiderman into the spider verse
@@aadinathkharade9175 yes.
honestly Disney needs to try something new in the animation department (and just general story department too for that matter). That strange world movie looks and sounds like a B grade short film with its goofy soft character designs.
Often times the argument is, "there are lgbtq kids who wuld BEG to be represented in their movies" and I'm like... no?? when I was a 3 year old, I was admiring the 3 vampire brides in Van Helsing (dont question how I saw it) but not once was I ever aware that I was Bi until puberty. And not once did I feel I dont exist unless I see a Bi person on screen. I have gay friends who turned out fine, when we live in a 3rd world asian country with NO gay representation back then. We still turned out lgbtq, we still turned out fine.
How narcissistic of hollywood to think that our entire gay Asian identity hangs onto the thread of whether we see gay asians on movies, let alone kids' movies. Kids dont care about representation! Unless they've been indoctrinated by their parents to depend on representation!
That's precisely what they want. To endoctrinate children as soon as possible to the new ideology.
Dude I was 14 and I had such a big crush on those chicks when that movie came out lol
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as a woman, it's really frustrating to see women be so readily able to fight, and have moments that are unearned. I would RATHER look up to Captain America vs Captain Marvel, because I can not only relate to Cap, but I respect him. I admire Loki for his journey and hate Sylvie because she's just on such a high horse. You understand it, but you can't condone what she did. But the show makes you WANT to be on her side so badly. It's the same with Wanda in MoM; they want you the audience to SO BADLY sympathize with her, like you understood Thanos, but you can't because unlike Thanos, who's plan in a weird dark twisted way made some sense, Wanda's was just to kill a mother and kidnap that Wanda's children. You can't root for someone like that but the film wants you to. Honestly, Wanda being the big bad of the multiverse saga would've been such a power move from marvel but no they fast traveled to it and it ruined her character as a result.
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When I first saw puss in boots the last wish and I saw the shot of blood trickling down his forehead I was genuinely shocked because all the Disney stuff made me think they couldn't show that in a kids film
I was shocked when Puss said "Hell" and when Goldilocks said dingleberry
@@EmperorPenguin1217 and when Jack said "crap"
Interesting to note: PiB:LW also has strong female characters like the Disney/Pixar films - those being Kitty Softpaws and Goldi. Both are shown to be incredibly good at fighting and don't have as much (though they still have them occasionally) slapstick moments as the male characters do. But I feel like audiences accept these types of 'girl-bosses' because they're still shown to have something to learn. For as much as Kitty may show up Puss in the fights with Jack's men, she can still get overpowered and is shown to be a bit of a hot-head. She also has to learn to trust again and be vulnerable. Goldi, meanwhile, has to learn to accept what she has and see the love in her found family instead of pursuing a fairytale ideal. Add in the fact that Puss is allowed to be awesome in the moments that truly matter and I can see why these characters would be a bit easier to swallow.
Goldi and Kitty are treated like characters instead of Plot Devices or Unatainable paragons of kick butt. They are treated with the same dignity as the rest of the cast and good glory, is it refreshing.
@@shojodraws3399whereas Male characters in a female lead movie are treated as dumb. And when Men call that out whiny women teases them.
My main issue with Strange World is that Disney already made the perfect team adventure film in Atlantis. They could have just copy and paste the Atlantis characters into Strange World, and it would have been 10 times better. Each character needs to be interesting in their own right, which is rare to find nowadays.
Atlantis was dope. I recently watched it with my husband, who had never seen it. When the Disney logo appeared in the end credits, he shook his head and said, "Shame on them." Because Atlantis is a genuinely fun, well-written, well-paced movie, and Disney has fallen very, very far now.
@@sitcomchristian6886 that movie is james cameron avatar if the character were memorable, theres actually creativity put into that world and culture, and isn't a self indulgent save the enviroment propaganda. Yes the villain is a greedy jerk but at least he dosn't overstay his welcome and force the main lead to be in a liar reveal story. Plus is god damm short
@@sitcomchristian6886 it’s either Atlantis or Treasure Planet for me. But either way both movies are underrated
@@motor4X4kombat - Atlantis always felt more like Stargate for Kids than Avatar. Milo’s even a nerdy linguist with brown hair and glasses just like Daniel Jackson.
That's enough shitty remakes I think. No need to give them ideas for new ones.
They should've made Lightyear in the style of a mid budget 80s sci-fi action movie but emulated using modern CGI with a splash of Pixar sprinkled on top of it. It would've been so cool to see obviously animatronic monsters, men in alien costumes, chasing Buzz and his alien comrades from the 'Buzz Lightyear' animated series and then occasionally have him replaced with a stunt double who looks nothing like Buzz at all, during the more intense action scenes.
THAT should've been the movie that Andy saw back before Toy Story's story.
Exactly and without the unnecessary Alisha and Izzy story though one of them could have been inspired by Whoopi Goldberg!
Yeah!! Plus it would make total sense as well.
Unduh ide
same
Everything about Lightyear doesn't scream a 90's movie at all. And something tells me the writers completely screwed up the timeline. They're more focused on wanting to write THE MESSAGE rather than actually be entertaining to the audience.
Lightyear didn't give us Buzz Lightyear. I gave us a watered-down Zap Brannigan.
They gave us a Skinwalker posing as Buzz
Havnt even seen the movie yet I know you are so right
What I like about the cat movie is that the therapy dog wannabe actually acts as a therapy dog would. Absolute lad
As a 13 year old girl with younger male siblings, Lightyear and Strange World was straight up toxic with their masculinity, like people, males are the same as everyone else. NOT ALL OF THEM ARE SHITTY!!
See! Even me, a teenager, sees there is something wrong with the equation and not even grownass adults can see it!
Honestly it's getting out of hand right now
EXACTLY! I feel so bad for my brothers having to up in this world.
The whole point Disney misses is that masculinity is not toxic, but there is such a thing as toxic masculinity.
Order of words matters !
If you have to say men are people too like the rest of us, if it has to come to that point. It has gone too far imo. You gotta take care of your brothers kid, the world is going to be very harsh to them.
YESH!
This is the exact conversation I've been discussing with friends and family. We were talking about how movies are lecturing people. It's one thing with adults, but with children, you want them to feel like they're in a magical world and are about to be in an adventure. Not feel bad about existing or be lectured to accept things and keep your mouth shut.
I haven't seen a new movie for a very long time. Film used to be a wonderful hobby of mine and now I cant enjoy anything because I'm being told how to act and feel.
While there are movies that should make you think and discuss life, there are movies that are just meant to be enjoyed and escape reality for a while. There is no line anymore 😔
I don't support the LGBTQ community
Finally somebody who feels the same pain as me . I just wanna watch films and not be pocked with the stick with the whole OBEY OTHERS thing. I'm tired of that as well.
The existence of gay people makes it so a world can't feel like magical escapism and is a lecture. Wow.
It's not ok with adults either
Go watch Puss in Boots 2 right now
Hope Disney spend more time developing new animations and good story telling
I agree deep down I still love disney but I still mostly hate them
Not a chance They're all about their woke agenda It's going to take that company to completely collapse before they come to realize maybe indoctrinating children shouldn't be our goal but entertaining them instead.
@@andrewreynolds912 same here, I have a love hate relationship with Disney because it's been a big part of my childhood, but I hate the direction the company has been going in over the past almost decade now.
@Sadi Masochist well critical drinker says he doesn't want to see the company to go but he doesn't mean they should burn and go they need to stop their crap yes but it's not always woke that's doing this, it's dum decisions, the treatment of VFX artists, etc it's way more darker than just this woke crap saying it's because it's just woke is pretty blinding
@@BIGARMADA1988 same I hate Disney with most of my heart, but deep down I still love them even tho we should all know that we can still like something even if we hate it and yes I do agree with that
I have a lot of toddlers around me and tbh, explaining such complex Topics to them, doesn’t work. They don’t get why boys and girls are different but then we should all be equal and so on.. that’s why a lot of parents would rather go to the more “traditional” way of educating - I.e boys use short hair, girls long hair, etc. and once they are old enough and have developed more their critical thinking skills THEN they teach them all the nuances..
I think it’s best way to go just to not confuse them with so many details but at the same time, you teach to respect everyone.
kids NEED to categorize the world, its how language develops. Once their brains develop into more complex thought THEN you can introduce nuance.
If puss in boots was made by Disney, all of the supporting characters would have made fun of him for the panic attacks
The other day I was with a friend, and we watched a clip of Moana and she said, "it's so great that today we have characters from other places rather than the same."
I replied: "Today? But before we had Aladdin, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana..."
She didn't reply after that hahaha…
Hollywood storytelling is so restricted these days, it's practically on rails and extremely predictable. That's why Puss in Boots: The Last Wish was such a breath of fresh air and my vote for family film of the year.
At the end of the day, most people don't want to be finger-wagged at for an hour plus.
Particularly by a multi-billion dollar international corporation with a lot of dirt under the rug.
There's a lot of issues in Lightyear that honestly makes the "woke moment" almost an afterthought. Why did the ENTIRE ship have to land on the planet instead of sending a landing party, or a scout ship like millions of other sci-fi properties have? Why did the planet go from being the most hostile in the galaxy to suddenly habitable and safe to live on? The reason they crashed was because of Kaiju-sized vines that grabbed onto the ship and pulled it down. What if those same vines came back and just wiped out their whole base? They just accepted their fate and at no point do any of them say they're radioing for help. Are we to assume that ALL of Star Command was that single ship, and they just made home on the first planet they couldn't escape from? Some could argue I'm overthinking this but again, in a million other sci-fi properties, these would be problems that would be addressed, but they just... don't because the plot has to happen. Not to mention that those smaller vines went from being a threat to just, part of their normal lives. It feels weird that no one in that entire colony wanted to leave, that Buzz was the only one obsessed with getting back to space, but honestly what hurts this movie is that, I think, it's stuck between wanting to be that sci-fi property that Buzz Lightyear represented in the Toy Story universe, and being a Disney/Pixar movie. They can't be too violent, they can't have any deaths (no deaths by giant alien bugs or sentient vines at least), no cursing, and it has to be for kids/all ages.
And then they shot themselves in the foot saying that it's a 90s movie, and it's the movie that made Andy want a Buzz Lightyear toy. No, Lightyear is the 2022 reboot of the 90s property that Andy took his kids to, and was disappointed in how they messed up his childhood franchise.
It's a far cry from movies like The Incredibles, that's for sure. It's sad to think that disney and pixar used to be capable of making dark, gritty, grounded movies that appealed to kids and adults equally, and now all we have are child proofed, soulless, condescending political lectures that don't appeal to kids or adults. It's too bad that the Incredibles was basically Disney's only foray into a more adult oriented style of animated movie. Not even the Incredibles 2 could follow in its footsteps. That kind of tone would have suited Lightyear well I reckon. It's meant to be a movie about an old-fashioned hero type after all.
Goddam man’s speaking some real shit. Especially that Buzzlightyear is the 2022 reboot of the movie Andy grew up watching lmao 😂
Honestly, the worst part is truly down to evil Buzz (I refuse to call him Zurg). According to his own words, he just *FOUND* an alien warship in seemingly perfect condition, with a working army, human-useable mech suit, and presumably all the food and various other supplies he'd need to last 50 or so years on it. I can't get over that, because it feels half-assed beyond measure: Evil Buzz just *found* all this crap, and can use it, and that's that. The fact he also hotwired a bunch of human tech into it, when Buzz was never shown to be that smart is even worse, nevermind he somehow made the whole thing into a time machine with a time travel method I really don't think can be put in reverse.
Disney's top-tier worldbuilding right there, folks
Woke ideas are rarely ever the main problem. If you do it correctly, a gay relationship doesn't need to result in a conversation, it just doesn't. Messages of diversity and kindness can just be, a part of the movie.
But it NEVER feels like it's actually a part of the movie. If feels like a fucking advertisment. Nobody, not even the people making it, like advertisements. The product is never a problem, it's always, always, the annoyance of the advertisement itself. If anything, adds have always made me hate the product more. I genuinely take a note not to buy certain things if they've been shoved in my face.
That's real foreboding considering I'm a gay person. People could hate me because Disney is full of shit writers who are strawmaning my existence. (Not just gay, but feminism, racial diversity, any other "woke™" ideal)
My 7-year-old daughter guest how the characters resolved their concerns in The Strange World, she said "I think they will do it like Encanto, the dad learns from the son'.
I've been on a DreamWorks binge and I was so surprised to realize how deep some of those movies were. Kung-fu Panda, Shrek, the writing was amazing!
Ditto 👍🏾
Have you gotten as far back as The Prince of Egypt yet? 🥰
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I absolutely loved Puss in Boots 2. We saw it twice. Reminded me of the type of movie you’d get in the Disney renaissance … except even better. The themes of life and death were masterfully handled, the animation was beautiful, and the character design and development were superb. I love Goldilocks character design SO MUCH - a small detail but great to see cohesive work being done when everything else in entertainment is a garbage pile.
Same we watched it twice too!
"[to Goldilock] I was always afraid it was too good to last. And whether you think we're your family or not, if this is something that will make you happy, we'll get you that wish"
- Mama Bear
this dialogue goes deeper than the entire MCU movies
@@boboboy8189 the depths a mother would go to to make her kid feel happy and loved, even if that involves them leaving her
That part had me tearing up good
I rented it and watched it 3 times. I am so close to buying it
@@defectivetoaster dew it
Remember the show "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command?" The pilot movie had a similar plot as "Lightyear," but did it MUCH better. Buzz worked alone because he was grieving the loss of his partner. Seeing how PIXAR brilliantly handles grief and loss before, THAT would've been a better fit for Lightyear than just being arrogant.
That’s my Buzz Lightyear movie
Plus that show actually allowed buzz to be a hero
From what I heard Buzz Lightyear of Star Command wasn't actually a Pixar production, this is why it hasn't been acknowledged by Pixar since supposedly they were salty about Disney "playing with their toys" pretty much, and why Lightyear barely draws from it and claims that it was that and not BLOSC that Andy watched (but after Lightyear flopped the director backpedaled and now claims that BLOSC is a spin-off of Lightyear that inspired the toys in the Toy Story films).
But you're absolutely right that BLOSC executed a lot of the same concepts much better (Such as Buzz having an actual reason for wanting to work alone, and the rookies not being laughably incompetent for no other purpose than to advance the plot like they are in Lightyear)
Oh I LOVE that show. Buzz Mira XR Booster and most importantly of all Emperor Zurg. It was so smart and funny.
@@Nbdestryer Pretty sure lightyear is the spin-off of BLOSC, but hey conceited egostistical directors never admit their own faults.
Buzz is a side character in his own story. Kinda like Loki and Obi-Wan.
And Boba Fett
There's no redemption for Disney rn.
And Dr Strange
Buzz doing absolutely nothing heroic or doing anything of consequence was a huge problem for me when I saw the movie
I agree with all your points. The fact that Disney thought it was a good idea to release Lightyear on father's day weekend with a main character that would attract boys (and all kids) only to wrap it around all those themes shows that they have lost their way
Your take on these films is insightful and right on the money. Disney, among other " entertainment " providers, has become a strident, progressive nag. Instead of relaxation and enjoyment, we are bombarded with lectures and messages, so I rarely watch any new movies at all.
Because Disney makes movies for people who are not their audience. Go figure.
Thing is, exploring any of these character traits and weaknesses as a study of *personality* would be totally fine. It's when it becomes clear that the character is really a token for a message, and a stereotype, that I begin to switch off.
Disney: "People like having their favorite characters destroyed and replaced by crappy new characters, right?"
I'm surprised you didn't mention the old Buzz Lightyear of Star Command Special where Buzz learns to rely and trust rookies while still ends up being the hero at the end. While it's not the best, it certainly has that 90s homage to it and you would totally understand why boys like Andy would want a Buzz Lightyear. Quite frankly its the same conflict done right. Buzz in that isn't a lone wolf because he's trying to hog glory for himself. He's a lone wolf because he feels incredibly guilty for the loss of his partner and he doesn't want to be responsible for a rookie's death.
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish was incredible, it has a great story, awesome characters, new villians, i also love the wild west feel of the movie with the wanted posters and all, Kitty made an awesome entry, Perrito was adorable, Puss was badass as always, Goldie and the Bear Crime family were actually not evil, Goldie understood the importance of her family, Jack tho, while he's not that scary, he's a bad guy, no reason, he's just bad and there's Death, who's f**king incredible, the final battle between him and Puss made me sit literally on the edge of my seat. My friends made fun of me for watching a children's movie, but they missed one of the best movies ever. I would easily give Puss in Boots: The Last Wish a 10/10, and Puss gained my respect and became my favorite fiction cat.
I didn't love the first Puss n Boots so I reluctantly watched the second and am glad I did. I was so entertained from the plot to the combat animation to insertion of fairytale characters to character development as well as not being predictable. And, that dog putting his chin on Puss' stomach made me tear up because it reminded me of my late min-pin/dachshund, Jack.
first puss in boots were produce after fourth movie. i won't said it's bad, but it did what prequel should do
I liked the first puss in boots movie but that may just be bc I was a young kid when it came out
just saw critical drinker had done an interview with Chris Williamson, so i went through his playlist and saw you had done an interview with him titled "modern cinema patronises young women". Thoroughly worth watching.
Critical drinker is not the brightest I will admit. He is obviously quite surface level when it comes to reviewing movies and to often uses woke as some kind of all end joker card but I think when he actualy likes the movie he can make good points for why he likes it.
I would not recommend him as a reviewer but more as a psycho anaylsis of an ego maniac
@@goldenhorse4823 you *do* understand he's playing a character, right?
@@Ilyak1986 He really does not or at leat very rarely. If you look at his podcats he basicaly says the same things as in the reviews.
His review of Glass Onion was real. No satire. It was still pretty fucking stupid
@@goldenhorse4823 no glass onion is just shit honestly.
@@geniusgamerr4517 No I mean objectivly wrong. He outright tells lies of what happened in the movie and acts like things never happened. It is not an opinion on the movie that bugs me. He was objectivly wrong on soo many levels.
For an example the twig snap scene
The burned note scene
The secret indentity part
The wardrobe comment.
I think it's very noteworthy how Puss really did live an empty life where he's a rockstar but nobody to connect with. He didn't realize that and neither does the audience. It feels like we go on that journey in that cave scene when Puss comes to that realization. A very show rather than tell us. 1:28 I will say how is this any different from the way the movie explores Death? Arguably with an even more night-marish antagonist.
I'm so thankful that channels like yours exist. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who feels like the magic is lost with Disney because I'm too caught up with nostalgia. Thank you for explaining why that the quality in movies is declining in a manner I can't do myself.
I stopped watching new Disney stuff since 2016, a contrast to how much we continue to watch the classic Disney movies, which are some of the best ones ever made.
When DreamWorks is far better at making movies with great storytelling and incredibly written characters than Disney, that's where you take a moment to breathe a huge relieving sigh. Also, Disney is dying. Big time. Because when Disney tries to pander to literally everyone, including 'modern audiences', they end up pandering to no one. ABSOLUTELY. NO. ONE.
P.S. Love your analysis. Keep it up.
And DreamWorks beat Disney without even attempting to. Awesome job fellas!
@@liamphibia pretty sure to make something so universally loved they must have been aiming to beat EVERYONE. Clearly a product of love, of people trying to make the best movie they can. You can't hit the head if you don't aim high.
Your comment reminds me that in the late 2000-2010, Dreamworks was known for pumping out inferior movies to Pixar or Disney now. What an ironic turn of events.
That's not true. Disney panders to Twitter users. You know, the 2% of Americans who account for 80% of Twitter traffic. The people who Tweet all day instead of working and thus do not have any money to spend on movies.
Disney has those "folx" LOCKED DOWN.
Pretty glad Dreamworks isn't bowing down to this woke movement. the logo change is pretty mid tho.
edit: after Megamid 2 and KFP4, I can't help but think Dreamworks saw the movie industry today and thought that failure was the status quo.
Yeah I hope they dob't bow to the woke mob
They had the perfect chance to go ‘woke’ (I don’t like using that word) with The Bad Guys.., and they DIDN’T!!! And Puss in Boots just skyrocketed them to the top!!!
@@KirbyEatsCake123 well you could argue that the fox lady is mostly part of the agenda, but she still work for the overall theme of the story
@@motor4X4kombat I honestly liked her. She didn't seem too overbearing, just wanting what is best for the "bad" guys. Which is needed in a movie where your supposed to root for the "bad" guys. She's basically the character who points out the good in our protagonist's
@@motor4X4kombat I was worried about how they would handle her but I think they kept her restrained enough to not come off as pretentiously preachy
Companies really just see identity as a brand. A label to attach to things to make them marketable to a certain group of loyal people.
and thats really what this is about. Controlling the audience rather than captivating them.
Exactly. And they just take a position that allows them to pit both sides against each other. If someone who wants the good representation they deserve to have is disgruntled by bad insincere tokenism in these movies, the other side will just throw their hands up and say those people are never satisfied and are demanding too much.
If people on the other side rightfully call out how the representation is bad and dragging one gfoup down to prop another up, the first side will admit it’s bad but be afraid that they either get this or nothing at all.
We both want something better from the companies, we both can be happy and find ways to be represented. But we need to find common ground to take a stand on, and that starts with knowing that the companies are the real threat here.
Top Gun 2 was a nice fun romp where the old hero still has a few tricks left. Avatar 2 feels like the first act of a new character arc, but I'm excited to see where it goes. Puss in Boots 2 feels like a full and complete story.
Disney be like, "Why do people love Last Wish so much? Puss is a toxic tomcat and it doesn't even have any queer characters."
Disney these days is trying to make us think, but DreamWorks wants to make us feel.
I also love how The Last Wish actually has a diverse cast, but that doesn't even matter because their performances, their characters, and the writing all speak for themselves. That's how it should be! Strange World and Lightyear plaster themselves in so-called diversity with literally nothing else to back it up. They truly just have an empty checklist to go through, and that's all.
Puss in Boots 2 actually had great character development. Both protagonists and the antagonists, except one.
And even Jack was entertaining despite the lack of growth! One thing I loved was how some of the humor was based on how irredeemable he was willing to be. Even the cricket thinks he's horrible!
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He was great. Evil despite having a brilliant childhood.
Well Death didn't really change, his opinion on Puss did and if anything Puss changed to the standard that Death approved of. Plus Jack Horner alone trumps all the villains Disney/Pixar had produced in like a decade
@@hoperowgosketches oh, oh, what took him so long?!
And the fact that that particular character didn't developed was perfect. A final redemption of Jack Horner would have been felt cheating.
This is why I will forever adore the Shounen genre. It may be campy, or cringe at times but the fundamental values of heroism, bravery, friendship, selflessness, perseverance and even just plain kindness will forever remain timeless in any generation.
Just think for a moment while Disney is busy telling your kids that masculinity is a toxic trait, stories like Black Clover and My Hero Academia is out here telling you that you're not defined by how many times you fall, it's how many times you stand back up is what matters, that in the face overwhelming odds you will find victory through sheer will, persistence, unshakable determination, and the desire to not just to lift yourself but those around you as well. While everyone in Hollywood is actively trying to vilify one gender, there's Shokugeki No Soma that will tell you that your gender has no influence in your success, what makes or breaks you is your willingness to learn and hone your craft. While the entirety of western entertainment has lost its grasp on the concept of love in its stories, a book like Kaguya-sama will remind you of how beautiful love is.
Literally the only western studio I can think of that does this as good as those studios is dreamworks with its film trilogies and several stand alone movies.
idk some lean too much into power of friendship and an overly extensive cast. as with everything, i only like the really good ones. and that exclude some major players like my hero academia and fairy tail. hate those. things need focus to be entertaining.
my hero mid tho
@@GraveUypo the power of friendship is also a metaphorical thing, where it's okay for you to need help from others. Usually, it's because the protagonist can't beat the bad guy on their own, buy with friends around they can fight harder
May God rain down burning sulfur on the new Sodom and Gomorrah for demonizing masculinity. The cycle ends here.
Another problem with "Lightyear" is that it's supposed to be one that Andy would have watched as a kid in the 90s. It's supposed to be the in-universe movie that launched the Buzz Lightyear action figures into toy stores. Honestly, that doesn't seem realistic. The Buzz Lightyear of Star Command cartoon does a better job of fulfilling this role than the movie. It seems like the kind of show a young Andy would watch and the kind of show made with the purpose of selling toys, like many toys in the 80s and 90s.
This old X young thing was ther core conflict in Turning Red and it's equally mishandled. The kid is so obnoxious and self-assured, and in the end her disobedience is 100% validated. She learns nothing, because she wasn't wrong in her rebellion.
For anyone who might be mistaken into thinking Lightyear made 26 mil profit, most Disney movies double their base budget when they start marketing the movie.
Meaning that in order for Lightyear to be profitable, it would need to gross over 400 million.
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Being impressed by a kids' movie is very refreshing to hear!
There are two reasons for this:
1. It is heartwarming and reassuring to know that there are still movies we can take kids to, and they will be entertained and not lectured at.
2. Children's stories often are treated dismissively as if children are dumb and can be entertained by virtually anything cute-looking. This is untrue, as anybody who can remember their childhood can tell us. I recently discovered a 1990s cartoon I had not heard of before called "the fairly odd parents." Each episode is 10 minutes long and has: a plot containing a main character, 1-2 supporting characters, an antagonist, a conflict, tension, a climax, a resolution, and a lesson learned. It does this while being funny and not preachy in any way.
There seem to be hundreds of episodes of this cartoon. I hope the writers are proud of their achievement! Anybody who wants to treat a "mere kids' show/movie" dismissively should try to write such a story themselves.
Modern entertainment is very heavy on the "lessons that need to be learned" (unspoken: by the low intellect, probably racist, misogynist homophobic audience whom we Hollywoodies feel nothing but contempt for) but inadequate at the other requirements for good storytelling.
Thank you for the video!
I'm so SO happy to see great animated movies like Puss In Boots TLW getting praise and knowing others found it to be a breath of fresh air too.
The older generations being seen as stupid was actually the major reason I didn't like Turning Red. There was no exchange and negotiation between the mom and the daughter. I 100% agree that the mom took it too far at points in the movie, but so did the daughter. But instead of making it a way for them to learn from each other, the movie ends with the daughter blatantly just deciding not to listen to the mom at all anymore and was treated as the hero in the right.
Unlike Brave. Brave was the real deal 💯
Kinda dangerous too imo... I just felt like she was pimping herself out in that movie, and with the mom portrayed as bad when she's against it... yikes
Probably propaganda. Kids learning EVERYTHING from someone other than their parents is a running theme these days.
I loved Klaus for this reason. It would have been so easy for them to make the father figure at the beginning antagonistic, and for the son to go through his arc and be like "See dad, I CAN make it on my own--I showed you!" But instead, we got a father who loved his son enough to teach him a tough lesson, a son humble enough to adapt and accept that lesson, and a relationship that grew in mutual respect at the end.
I’m incredibly conflicted about Disney lately. I’ve ALWAYS the been The Disney One in my circle of family and friends, and I still pay for Disney+ to watch all of my favorite movies and programs. But a corner of me feels guilty for it now. I feel like Walt would be ashamed of his company’s movies lately and I hope someone there realizes and acts on it at some point. I don’t want to see Disney go under - it inspired me to study animation and now themed entertainment. It’s been too big of a piece of my growing up.
Disney is like a zombie of it's old self. Totally lost the magic.
The downfall of the mouse is among us
AMONG US?
Upon us?
I hate mice.
amogus?!
The cat is hunting it.
That’s what annoys me the most with these movies they demonize masculinity..pretty much all the men are depicted as weak dumb short sighted cowardly etc.
Just like most sit-coms too. Dumb husband, snappy wife.
Alisha was a 90s SFC tho
Demonize toxic masculinity, not healthy masculinity
@@nonymouswisp8176 nowadays they define all masculinity as toxic
@@gamingshawnandjewel6233 Incorrect, I have seen no one ever hate on positive masculinity
The hero hate started with Wreck-it-Ralph 2. That movie essentially emasculated Ralph while validating Vanellope who was actually the toxic one between her two.
Hell yeah. It was the movie that made me boycott Disney. It was that bad.
So a family member got us a Disney+ subscription and I've tried to have fun and make heavy use of it. We watched Lightyear and my young son really liked it, and I think he was just excited because it had Buzz in it; we also found the TV show on TH-cam and have had fun watching that. After thinking more about the movie, I became annoyed at how Buzz's development seemed to be just coming to understand what some (better) person had already told him.
I watched Strange World mostly by myself just to see it, and I was...not a fan. To me, the message was delivered so strongly that essentially everything revolved around it. I didn't like the characters who were delivering it, but I didn't like the other ones either. Ultimately I couldn't really identify with or care about hardly anyone in that movie.
Thank you for spelling things out and letting me put my finger on a lot of what I had been thinking. I also need to check out The Last Wish now!
If you want a good Buzz Lightyear movie, I firmly recommend "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" and the ensuing TV show. I went back to watch it again, and honestly, it's better than I remember, and has a lot of stuff that feels like is missing from modern movies.
Mira Nova is a GREAT strong female character, but she never outclassed Buzz - she locked horns with him, but it was always clear that Buzz had more experience than her and called the shots. Not to mention, I LOVED Zurg. He was so relentlessly malicious and reveled in his own villainy, he was funny, but when he got serious, you really feared his presence. Not to mention, he TECHNICALLY wins, if only for a short time. Plus, I loved Booster, he was clearly comedic relief, but he wasn't a big dumb muscle alien, he was actually probably the most studious of the group. And XR was actually entertaining and made a good comedic foil to the group.
If you want Buzz Lightyear done right? Watch that movie and the animated series. They are just plain old fun!
That's the thing about 'representation'. When I was a kid, I could relate to white, English speaking characters or any character that doesn't look like me or speak the same language as me cuz of their journey. And to start the journey, they need flaws. And at the end they improve on their flaws. It's such a backhanded offer to give characters who look like 'the people' and not give them anything. Cuz the characters 'could'nt have flaws', they need to be 'perfect' or else. And perfect, most of the time means boring. Idk if you can make perfect characters work but from my experience, it's boring and frustrating seeing a 'hero' not learn anything and it's everyone else's fault.
There are ways to write a perfect character who doesn't need to learn moral or life lessons in a way that's enjoyable
The early superman comics from the 40s and 50s were quite good at it
Luffy from one piece or Sakamoto from Sakamoto
Hercules was a good case
@@hoaujudaiyubel And yet you can still argue that even Luffy go through a growth.
But I get the point, and that's the whole goal of "rock" character, like Gandalf : to see how the world change around them, not them changing.
@@hoaujudaiyubel oh yes. A million yes's, Sakamoto is a perfect example. I have a problem with writing characters like someone screwing up Sakamoto to make the bullies make sense and Sakamoto just gives up instead of shining through like a star.
And imagine Hercules if he instead told people he's an expert beast slayer instead of the audience seeing it for themselves, or if he's fighting monsters like they're paid to make him look good. Basically imagine Hercules if he's Steven Seagal.
Btw, thanks for mentioning them, proving that it's absolutely possible to do overpowered, perfect characters without making them look insufferable.
I wanna say Saitama from One Punch Man but he's absolutely not a perfect character since he lacks passion, motivation and urgency to be a hero. The writing in that makes you feel bad for him when he actually tries and people either ignore or doubt him.
Relatability is not about skin color. Anime, fantasy, movies about toys. What race is the penguin from toy stock? None. He’s a penguin.
@@ryanpmcguire It can be for a lot of people. And since that does not cause any harm I don't see why we should stop it.
Your words reminded me of Dashrath Manjhi, Who in his grief of lost wife ventured alone to cut a path through a mountain, He was laughed at and was mocked by locals, but the best part is that this man really won over the mountain. The strength of a single person really overcame an immovable object.
When a dream works kids film that's a sequel to a spin off has me contemplating the message of its themes weeks after watching it I can tell it'll be a classic
Disney has failed us miserably, now it is time to welcome our new masters from the far East, The Anime....
Buzz isn't even treated as an experienced sergeant. I can understand if he is not an officer. But He's not even given the respect a man of years of field experience would be given.
Rather fitting since most of the creators of these modern works don't have real life experience.
Agreed. 🙂
We just want a movie to be a good old story, not a moral lecture or rather a moral rebuke. Villains are bad & heroes are good! Right wins over wrong. The end.
well it’s depends how well written they’re as long as they not boring & repetitive…
but I kinda agreed
Dreamworks has been hitting it outta the park recently, I had a blast watching "Bad Guys", but when I try watching the latest Disney animated films, it feels like I'm sitting in church, listening to a boring sermon, and being chided by the preacher for not being the perfect disciple. Perhaps one of the most beautiful animated films I have seen recently is Wolfwalkers, it's an Irish animated feature by Cartoon Saloon, it has good characters, great illustrations, tenderhearted story, and I recommend it to anyone looking for good art.
I often get play lists for a lady in Japan . She occasionally makes playlists of old Disney music . She is getting thousands of hits . What does that tell you?
Puss in Boots 2 isn't a kids' movie, it's an animated movie that kids can also enjoy
THANK YOU for saying what so many people are too scared to admit about kids movies and "LGBTQ relationships". It's not something we should have to discuss with our kids especially at the age kids should be watching this movie. I don't even think half of Disney puts that stuff in there because they want kids to see it (although a good portion definitely do), I think they do it because they're making movies for adults in Hollywood giving awards. It's like modern art: designed for the college-educated elites who will value the art for showing some offensive gross thing while being detestable and ugly to most normal people.