Why Marvel Phase Four Sucks!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- After wrapping up one of the most epic super hero stories that spanned more than 10 years, Marvel has been trying to recreate that magic with Phase Four. But phase four has been far from successful.
In this video, I do a deep dive into why exactly phase four has failed to rile up their fan base, and instead gone as far as to alienate them.
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0:00 - Introduction
3:22 - Part One - The problems
15:32 - Part Two - What is the goal?
19:04 - Part Three - What is the impact?
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I always loved strong women. Sarah Connor, Ripley were awesome. keep doing this videos. you're a wise and cool woman. my greatest respect.
ok i have one problem with this video i thought it would be about the actual quality... love your other content tho keep that up!
sorry i meant to reply to the actual video
Agreed with a lot of it but… Hawkeye was really good and it was mainly about him but it’s clear there co-stars instead of hero and sidekick
PS: it took Kate bishop YEARS to learn archery as it does in real life
The same sexist think the only way to make women look good is make guys look like bumbling idiots.And only then women look good thru proxy
"When incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me" She-Hulk said, while incompetently explaining the Hulk's area of expertise to him
The fact that nobody acknowledges the irony in that makes me feel like these writers do it intentionally to get people upset the problem is that after the first few episodes you lose the audience... why do women feel the need to over compensate instead of using the gifts they already have
@@johnnyfive9815 it's arrogance and immaturity. The kind of person that believes this woke nonsense are generally egotists, who think they are fighting a war on par with the civil rights movement. They think they have all the answers, know how to solve everything and believe that their brilliance is just misunderstood, their pain not recognised ect. In short, they are acting like children which is why their stories suck, they can't think in a mature way, so they can't right in a mature way.
@@johnnyfive9815 Because they've been fooled into thinking femininity is pointless and thus are attempting to be men, like how the Moon tries to be the Sun.
It's even worse than that. She's also a terrible attorney as well, according to actual, you know, lawyers. Because the scriptwriters are useless. So here is a woman that is rubbish at everything explaining how incompetent men are telling her how to do her job. Maybe she just thinks they are incompetent and actually they are much better at it than she is, and she is too incompetent to understand.
what's funny about that is that she would had to go to law school in order to become a lawyer so she most likely didn't know shit about being a lawyer while still a student and mostly likely had at least a couple of professors who were men who had to teach her how to be a lawyer
As a black woman, I'm really glad more people are calling bs to this patronizing crap.
Oh thank goodness 😅 I thought I was the only one…
Sadly besides maybe Bob chapek, nobody ar disney seems to know this, ( and because of this bib chapek has a hard time changing this at disney)
you are not alone sister. i begin to believe that in reality, they are nothing but hacks with nary a bit of writing talent so they rely heavily on the patronisation in the hopes that we are obligated to like it... Its an insult
@@MrAlious i can only recommend midnight's edge, a channel talking about hollywood and especially woke hollywood, like marvel Phase 4
@@chheinrich8486 my man many thanks for the recommendation, a lot of insight in the first few videos iv seen so far
Makes me wonder how much Stan Lee protected his creation from Hollywood. Thank you for voicing this so well.
marvel comics have been woke af for at least 2 decades now. they're now doing it to movies too, but they've been woke af for a long time.
@@SoyGriff they have been “woke” but I don’t criticize intent as much as execution. Phase 4 is going about introducing important topics without properly telling a decent story and it’s why many people dislike it and dismiss it with such hate
I bet he’s rolling in his grave
Not at all really. He was basically little more than a mascot who had little to do with the movies beyond showing up for cameos to my understanding. I think he had some role in some ofnthe TV and movie projects in the 70s and 80s, and he stopped running Marvel Comics some time in the 70s. He may have created a lot of the most popular characters from the 60s, but he didn't own them. They are the property of Marvel Comics/Marvel Entertainment, and now the property of Disney (who recently just erased Marvel Entertainment as a whole from existence amd basically folded everything directly into the larger Disney infrastructure to my understanding).
EXACTLY!!
Back then, if a movie fails, we blame the director, but now the directors blame the viewers.
It's just crazy
As Stan Lee once famously said: "social issues I try to get in, in the background or underlying a plot... but never to the point of interfering with the story or hitting the reader over the head." That is precisely what these newer films have failed to accomplish time and time again.
Stan Lee was all about representation. His obviously had to create “white heroes” during his time in order to be appealing to the masses but his characters were fictional and it wasn’t restricted to anyone to read. In the end when that character puts his mask on is when he becomes the hero. Every kid can put that same mask on and become a hero. The comics were meant to empower people, not to tell them what is right or wrong or what to do. Which phase 4 is just a bunch of propaganda at this point.
After I’m typing all of this tho and watching this video, I kind of can see where Disney is going with this because the society in the US is very toxic so I guess they are just trying to fight it. Millennials might not see it but these movies/shows are meant for gen Z in the end and the next generation…. Just some thoughts
But yes Stan Lee is rolling in his grave right now RIP
When great people leave us, most of the time the greediest take their position, either because they didn't earn the spot, just inherited it, or they plotted against so many competitors that they became evil in the heart.
Rest in peace Stan Lee, I'm glad you didn't see the downfall of your great creation.
@@kingp1n817 I don’t think it’s necessarily like that. He had zero control over MCU besides doing cameos. Marvel was about to be done until Disney saved them. Disney is just trying to do too much and is trying to get more female audience in the theaters with their TV shows. They are doing it with every franchise, from Star Wars and all the other animated movies. In the end, it is to get the kids going to Disneyland parks and that’s where the real money is at (obviously merch too)
@German Henry That's a fair point🤔 Just like Microsoft pushing their new policies to their game companies Disney is doing the same, which infuriates people but they don't care cause they're big companies with a lot of money to waste
Thanks for the revision
If he was still alive this shit won't happened , now they are just trashing
Hulk: asks woman if she can control her anger
SheHulk: proceeds to get mad after being asked a a simple question
Just few moments before attempting to slaughter a group of men, trying to eve tease her..
We have a new champion.
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stop mansplaining
Women do be like that
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself long enough to see yourself become a puppet to woke ideology." DAAAAAANG! SO WELL SAID!
It is becoming true, liberal people who helped these people gain their freedoms still had a sense of the values that comes from conservatives and family and religion and much more, so the right was a hero in a sense. Now that they have it, they bash the same people for voicing their opinions, "If you are not supporting us in everything then you are not with us at all", and now right people have become the villains. So they have accepted it and they are treating themselves and these people just like that.
Basically" I have my opinion and I don't care what -ist you call me for these opinions, in your eyes I am already a villain so fuck it"
@yashgoyal8280 Not just that, but they also knew that most conservatives were nice, well meaning people who simply had a different point of view. They knew that the best way to win them over was to work with them and to change their opinions through thoughtful and peaceful discussions, not hateful bashing and petty name calling.
Whew. You butchered that lol
A woman here. As soon as I got a taste of Phase 4, I went running back to rewatch Captain America: The Winter Soldier to properly mourn the death of the MCU.
Thankfully they haven't gotten to the guardians yet
@@neurosity5285the new guardians is actually really good and in my option the second best guardians movie and this is the last guardians movie so guardians is safe
@@peeperleviathan2839 yeah I really really liked it. (I cried lol)
@@neurosity5285 my brain kept replaying the scene where Lyla got shot for days after watching after watching it. I wish all marvel movies could have this emotional impact
@@peeperleviathan2839 ikr, I went and saw it with my family and my dad (who is a very “I can't show weakness” kinda guy) started tearing up.
"The world is run by people with agendas and agendas change" - Steve Rogers. I will forever abide by this timeless statement. And this is what seems to have happened here.
Oh the irony? Or a deliberate dogwhistle? Or a subtle whistleblowing?
disneys agenda is still the same. They just though making shitty woke movies would make them more money because the younger generations today are big on identity politics
This line has outlived the MCU's lifespan.
True
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The worst part to me is the fact that, even if it wasn’t their intention, they pretty much diminished Bruce’s trauma. They sent out the message that no matter what you’ve gone through, no matter how much hell you’ve been put through, it’s not as bad as a woman being catcalled or talked down to. Like, “I know you were mutated by a freak accident and pretty much lost your life because the wrong thing would set you off to the point of causing massive amounts of destruction, but have you ever been a woman? It’s sooo much harder”
literally Bruce attempts suicide (which he tells Nat about at one point I believe) and struggles a long time with it. It's an extremely heavy weight on him and adds a LOT to his vulnerability and humanity that we can relate to. Through it he finds out how to keep good relationships and live his life and do good.
similar story with Thor and Tony, lots of colossal failures and hard lessons learned
@@davis8727 He's told everyone actually. Back in Avengers 1 when they were all arguing around the scepter.
@@adoboflakes8473 ah good memory, forgot it was to the group. but yeah he clearly walks through a long a complicated path. especially when for a while he seems happier, then the wanda brain control thing happens and he destroys a city before the hulk buster shows up
Perfect sum up to this jar of shit called She Hulk.
It may not have been their 'intention' to ignore Bruce's trauma, but it certainly wasn't their concern either.
She-Hulk downplayed a dude who lost his friends, lost black widow, went through a shit ton of trauma throughout the avengers films (which included being mind controlled to kill hundreds of innocent people against his will), and apparently, according to Bruce in avengers, tried shooting himself only for him to turn into the hulk to spit the bullet out. All to basically say “being catfished is way more traumatic”
Wow
The trama Tony faces through the avengers movies is one of the most powerful character arcs of all time. Tony from the alien invasion to his final heart beat is everything we miss about the infinity saga.
What? Are we doing secret war now? Wasn’t endgame the infinity saga?
As a women, I am embarrassed that some people genuinely think that being a “Girl Boss” is good character writing.
Captain America is not an amazing character because he’s a man, it’s because he was well written and just so happens to be a man.
I wish someone would take hint from the writers of Ripley and write characters - and later, during the casting, settle on whether this character will be male or female. Sure, in many cases, _some_ details will probably need to be adapted, but the actual character will already be there.
As a man I'm embarrassed that most of that people you mentioned are men, men with low self-esteem or had a pretty bad father figure that thinks a bitchy women is the ideal partner with is wierd and childish.
That's why these writers think that in order to be an amazing women you have to be a man(a worst kind of men) witch is misogynistic if you think
Exactly. He's an outstanding person, being morally strong enough to make every right decision, and it doesn't matter or not who he is, and that he's a white man that carries the stars and stripes.
I'm embarrassed about being a woman anymore... the way they narrate us is just pathetic and looking for a pity party anymore. Dude... we gotta earn that shit...
That being said, what about Captain America is well-written so that other characters can be well-written?
When a male character is arrogant (Tony, Strange, Thor), he is humbled, stripped of everything, and must undertake a journey and learn how to be a hero and a better person.
When a female character is arrogant (Jen, Carol), she is shown to be perfect as is, and everyone must learn from her while she never grows.
And that is BORING.
EDIT: Wow, thanks for all the likes! I write webcomics with strong male and female characters, they’re called “Zack Dragonblade and the Excalites”, and “Erik Grave and the Mediums at Large”.
I mean I'm all for female leads but as long as they earn it the hard way like other guys. Bruce had to spend years training to be Batman
A better female role model is animated Mulan. A girl who worked to show she could fight with men equally. As opposed to the modern live-action female trope Disney has.
THIS
Aside from that, strong female charecters never feel authentic. They lack self awareness and are wayy too proud.
Yes. That's the big difference and the creators failed to see that
@@Elamado97 steve to me felt the most humane. He was a kid from Brooklyn that had alot of health issues before becoming the captain. Despite the sudden boost, he still is the same kid from Brooklyn down at his core. Genuine and humble. Struggled alot too.
Same as the other heroes. Thor, tony, bruce. All of them overcame something and became something bigger than Themselves.
I'm sorry for Stan Lee, seeing his franchise fall after a great ending of his era
He was a liberal looney tune for his era. He would be convinced that this is all great just like most older leftists are.
@@westonmeyer3110 Then that makes you a fascist looney tune.
@@westonmeyer3110 A liberal looney in the 70s its pretty much a conservative right now…. things are getting pretty twisted
@@n4ko Not fully accurate. Lot of those books that modern loonies take inspiration from were written quite long ago.
Stan lee didn't do squat Jack Kirby did
I got chills during your conclusion. This is so brilliantly said, showing men only as incompetent and violent idiots will only claim to viewers that men are incapable of being good, well-rounded, and impactful heroes. Giving both genders examples of the good and bad through proper, whole, non-agenda driven writing will be the only way to resuscitate this dying industry and provide good characters to aspire to.
Women in leadership roles in the mcu have a toxic leadership style. A leader should correct and teach. Trust goes both ways. If you don't trust your team it is a reflection of your poor leadership. If you have to tell your subordinates that you are the leader then you are a bad leader.
Not only that but it puts people in a “us or them” kind of mindset. Either you think men are amazing and women should be groveling at their feet, or women are amazing and men should be groveling at their feet. It’s not healthy for either gender, both should be equal to each other
When faced with significant backlash, the fact that producers, scenarists, and directors primarily discern the criticism as stemming from racism, sexism, and homophobia may suggest that these subjects are what chiefly inform their creative decisions. They seem to place a great deal of importance on the need for their heroes to represent female, POC, and LGBTQ+ identities. However, defending their work on these grounds might also suggest a focus on the wrong areas, as it might detract from the quality of storytelling and character development, which the audience also cares about. I can't stress enough that they think that they can just through around labels of "sexist", "racist", 'homophobic", while being the very thing they are claiming to fight against, they are discriminating based on gender, colour of skin, and sexuality, even if it's praising based on those characteristics alone. Even for their target audience it creates an unrelatebale character, the perfect one, inhuman, flawless.
I can believe that villain is a white male, based on their relative freedom of building an empire in the recent past. I can believe that new heroes have such diversity, the world is big and in MCU the whole world is invested in fighting against evil, that is logical. I can believe that 'love' could be the answer to defeat of a villain. But what MCU needs to do is to make it believable. Heck, giving 'Captain Marvel' a pass on that is possible: she is powered by an infinity stone, hence her strength, rivaling that of, Scarlet Witch and Vision, and she was manipulated into believing she isn't the one controlling her power. I can give a pass on one story with bad writing, that makes me think of ways to justify the story, but I have a limit. We have a limit. MCU thinks that putting same Mary Sue behind different characteristics of their gender, sking colour, sexuality.
But the truth is, audience never looks at those qualities alone when it comes to loving a character. The truth is, there's no such big community of racists, sexists and homophobes that could impact the rating of the whole show or movie, because if there were, 'Mulan', 'The Intouchables', 'The Legend of Korra' wouldn't have the rating they have now. The truth is, MCU is trying, and that's now even something they hid in their interviews. They think 'connection' is based solely skin colour, gender identity or sexuality. They skip te fact that Tony Stark, Thor and Captain America didn't need it to be relatable to all, regardless of their origing. The truth is, what MCU has now is the bad writing (Contrary to 'Mulan' for example, story where sexism is present as one of the obstacles protagonist has to overcome, where protagonist is weak, gullible and clumsy at the start instead of being extremely overpowered amd flawless due to standing out based on her sex. She grows, and not alone. She completes journey of becoming stronger with the group, friends, but what makes her stand out is mindset of intelligence > strength. You believe the story much more than what MCU feeds us now).
The truth is, what Marvel was giving us recently is shallow and soulless (with exceptions like 'The Guardians of the Galaxy volume 3', 'Spider-Man: No Way Home' and... well, that's all I could point out). The truth is, 'Marvel' is merely a label to make audience interested in a story nobody would want to be invested in otherwise. The truth is "The Endgame" was trully the end of what MCU was building for a decade now.
But we don't *need* 'characters to aspire to'.
We just need entertainment to have entertaining characters.
"A hero isn't strong until you know their weaknesses" - the biggest lesson that every writer, accomplished or not, NEEDS to learn
You are only a hero by what you over come, if you're not on the ground getting the crud kicked out of you, you're not a real hero.
@@senister14 you don't necessarily have to get the spider-man treatment, but you definately need to overcome something, otherwise you're just living another day in the life
This is why female heroes from early alien and terminator franchised were the best ones. They weren't all powerful girls who can do everything, but are just oppressed by the patriarchy. They had real weaknesses and opponent was flat out stronger. They overcame the crisis through bravery and clever thinking.
@@Tespri yeah. Another thing I'm starting to appreciate in Anime. Minus how they draw the girls tho. They have overpowered female characters and they're still hella better than these new M she U
@@Tespri they werent opprresed but i get your point
The most stupid part is that most of the female character has no training, nor experience but become BETTER than the male character. They literally strip away the sense of progression hence decreasing the reward that we felt.
isn't that the textbook definition of a mary sue?
This is why moonknight is my fav show. Because it’s earned. Even if the pacing was a little off, he worked through the issues instead of it randomly being solved to defeat the villain. If he didn’t earn what he did, harrow would have won. There was actual consequences.
Well they have to. In order to show growth you need to show a lesser starting point. Any women on screen can’t be shown in any other state than perfect. Because all women are perfect AS THEY ARE you see?
If you think any woman ever is anything other than perfect in any way then YOU are sexist.
So this is the impossible corner these 4th wave feminists woke wrights have painted themselves into.
That is not new or limited to women that is just bad writing, see Shazam.
@@ericarmstrong7906 yo, shazam still has issues and journey to overcame. About how mental age matters, family issues as weakness, a villain with the same power. It's different with she-hulk and her self proclaimed mental stable bcs she face men ( anger problem) infinitely more than hulk. Just stupid agenda to glamorous woke vulture and feminist.
Imagine the Avengers trying to give Thanos a heartwarming speech about love and peace
It honestly makes me sad to know that we probably won’t have anything like marvel phase 3 again… it truly was the pinnacle of marvel.
Fr, I don’t even look forward to their movies anymore. But one I was intrigued by (cause he’s my favorite) is Loki season two. What did you think about it?
So glad you're saying all this. Disney-Marvel can't label you a "toxic male fan."
Nah, bro, it's just internalized mysogyny(tm) at that point
Who cares---it's the truth. Who cares what Disney-Marvel does to smear the person saying it?
@@johnstrawb3521 Because they're controlling the social narrative. They're painting us logical critics who have the ability to think and recognize garbage when we see it, as hateful misogynists and racists instead of owning up to the fact that their woke writing is lazy insertion of identity politics in a space that is supposed to be escapist content from our own reality. This is the problem with modern media. These studios and writers believe it's their mission to preach SJW politics when we just want to see the heroes we grew up with preserved and presented as we always knew them.
"Toxic white male fanboy "
Unfortunately there a toxic and sexist women as well.
It always made me laugh when She-Hulk womansplains how much better she is at controlling her anger whilst getting super angry
Jenn telling Bruce that she's 𝒊𝒏𝒇𝒊𝒏𝒊𝒕𝒆𝒍𝒚 better at controlling her anger than him is just 𝒊𝒏𝒔𝒖𝒍𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈𝒍𝒚 stupid! Do the writers know 𝒏𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 of what Bruce has gone through?!
Well it would be fine if they made a point of how stupid she was being and used it as an oppurtunity for her to learn something.
But you know.....no.
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@@BeardedKenyanwhy would they according to their agenda a woman has nothing to learn and is born perfect. Men teaching women important things is mansplaining now
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You hit the nail on the head with Spider-Man. It continued Peter's journey of growing from boy into hero and we have watched this Peter undergo pain, loss, grief, fear, doubt, anxiety, etc. Its why we love him. The other Spider-Men weren't just used as a sales ploy either, it was a genuine story of brotherhood and supporting each other through shared experiences. That's a uniting message.
100% agree the writing was dope af. Even the villains got their own redemption archs. Plus it further established the marvel multiverse. Great writing all around.
Tbh i hate this Spider-Man cuz he is always crying and getting same less on instead of progressing
It’s not just “this” Peter that undergoes character development, but ALL Peters’ managed to grow in the movie, that’s really the magical part of that film
@@MrDead00 He Gay
@@MrDead00idk... maybe cuz this Spiderman is literally a kid who, probably, just started adulthood ._.
I think it's laughable that a woman considers dealing with cat calls better than the person that got hit by gamma rays who had to deal with his condition.
Seriously
She-Hulk really thinks she’s got it worse than Bruce😂
@@BaggageClaim phase 4 is the equivalent of a ripe fruit that's passed its cycle and has begun to rot.
@@GeneralKatarn , I think it's already crawling with maggots and smell to the high heavens, not 'begun to rot'.
@@Counterbalance_ that's actually more accurate
The most ironic thing is that the best and the most successful movie BY FAR from phase 4 was technically not even filmed by Marvel. That says it all, in my opinion.
I have been too busy to watch most of phase 4 stuff. Which movie are you talking about? Last one I watched was guardians vol3
@swan_909 Spider-Man: Far From Home, of course. Also, Guardians Vol.3 is phase 5.
@@asmodeusml oh ya. I totally forgot I watched that one too. Didn't realize guardians was phase 5. Loved it. It was so awesome
@swan_909 and of course, I meant No Way Home, not Far From Home. And yeah, Guardians Vol.3 is very good.
@@asmodeusml totally agree. No way home has a special place for me coz I got to see Tobey again and that too with Andrew and Tom. That was such a fun reunion and it went so well with the story. Frankly I like all 3 of them coz none of them are completely bad.
I totally agree. I thought I'm the only one who noticed that Phase Four is too woke, too inclusive, too many agendas. And most of the male heroes emasculated.
Poor Bucky. Poor John Walker. Poor Moon Knight. Poor Hulk. Poor Thor. Poor Doctor Strange. Poor every single other man in the MCU right now.
As a non-white asian having someone say 'support this project because we did this for you' is some of the most patronizing shit mixed with guilt tripping. You didn't do it for me or my ethnicity, you did it for a paycheck. I'm gonna go watch the Northman & Legend of Vox Machina over and over because one's a great film without checking boxes and the other's a project that actually was made for me
Vox Machina was actually also not made for you. But you were made for it. CR makes it very obvious they are using parasocial methods for fans to fall for them on a personal level
@@squattingheads i don't really care about their methods or their agendas, I wanted to watch a good story about a group of bumbled*cks and I got it without a derivative lecture
I agree! I feel the same way as a black woman lol
& especially when the product is just forgettable at best & propaganda drivel at worst. As a Brown asian, I can see the efforts they took to reach out to that market.
As a Hispanic, same here, funny enough I’m working on stories that have female protagonists but they aren’t perfect, have to deal with challenges and don’t hate on men simply for being men
She Hulk is the proof that people writing that crap never had to struggle or worry if they will have something to eat that day... I find it ironic that she cat talk shit to a person who lost everyone he ever loved, was seen as a monster, lost his identity multiple times and was chased like a dog for years...
Jessica gao is the writer and one to blame for it. She said her stupid writing is literally to create drama and make fans go mad cos she loves drama, I don't know how can a horrible person having issues like her can be hired.
@@nanarb4733 Out of pure stupidity combined with an agenda. It is basically the same as how some incompetent workers get to the high positions in a company.. You know some people and say the right stuff and there you are. That being said, I like it when Disney loses money so it is all good, I will just watch something else, I have zero interest in Marvel/ Dc, its basically all the same movie with different colors...
Not a woman so I don’t know all the struggles they face, but yeah it’s (in an oddly specific example) like complaining about stepping in a rain puddle on the street to a person who watched their kid drowned and couldn’t do something about it.
@@Reviewer2016 It honestly has nothing to do with gender, even if it was a dude who wrote the script and dialogue the same would apply. I live in what you can consider as a 3rd world country, I lived through two wars and a series of economic crisis. Basically any problem people talk about on social media is a non issue here, no one cares what you want to identify as, you do you as long as you do not hurt others. Clout chasers are generally ignored... People are far too busy trying to feed their family and pay rent... That is the main reason I mentioned that that person never had any struggles, you do not have time to think about this sort of crap when you are starving... Not to mention that is is as far from reality as you can possibly get, it is a definition of living in the echo chamber.
@@rexrip1080 I figured that’s what you meant I’m just saying it like complaining about inconveniences to a person who lived through trauma inducing events.
This is precisely why the only female character that is "working" in this phase is Wanda. We've seen her at her absolute worst and we've seen her build herself back up to protect her loved ones. It's such a bummer that they weren't able to give the other female characters the same storytelling that would have made them amazing.
I guess that would help explain why out of all the shows Wanda Vision is my favorite. A buddy of mine told me that when it was over I'd feel conflicted, but I didn't, I fully sided with Wanda because I saw the trauma she went through, understood that she lost everything, and I couldn't help but relate to that. Even when she came out of her bubble to toss out the drone and confront the outside world, turning the Director's men on him and saying "I'm not the one holding the guns director", I thought that was hella badass.
I understand why Multi-verse of Madness made her the villain, but it really made me hate her in that movie, and considering she'd already grown as a character by letting Vision and her kids go, I felt like that just kinda erased all her character growth.
Yes!! Wanda is the only one besides maybe Shuri that I actually felt was done well.
@@RokushoTheRavager she did kidnap and brainwashed/mind controlled/forced thousands of people to help her "grieve" though.... Sure I can understand and sympathize with all the suffering she has gone through. Losing all the ones she loves. However she essentially uses that as an excuse to do horrible things to others....
except that her "loved ones" are just some kids that she imagined
@Sophia Winter
Scarlet Witch is a straight-up villain, at this point. After what she did in Multiverse of Madness, there is no redeeming her. Not to mention, she kidnapped and tortured a town in WandaVision and was told "they'll never know what you sacrificed" as if she did them a favor by letting them go or something. So no, Wanda wasn't spared jack.
One of the things I love about people's mentality with Falcon & the Winter Soldier's race issues along with other shows like Law & Order when they tackle race is that they say things are more complicated than just black and white when the mentality they use is the most black and white thinking I've ever seen anywhere. It's like you said, white men bad, women, even if bad, good.
Yes yes yes. I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier did social commentary the best out of phase 4. It was a core part of the show, but it felt “deeper”. The rest, to me, feels really patronizing and insincere.
@@m1nouz384 Is that a joke? Falcon and the Winter Soldier's commentary was "You got to do better Senator!" And some weird thing about terrorists being misunderstood heros and actual heroic patriots (ahem, John Walker) being evil "colonizers." Except if you're a black woman from Wakanda, then you're above every international law
@@sivad1025This and the fact that they literally made Bucky apologize for getting mad at Sam for giving away the shield. The shield that his BEST FRIEND SINCE CHILDHOOD carried into the worst war in history. Also, Bucky knows more about being enslaved than Sam ever will, yet he’s treated like an “uneducated white man.”
It’s pisses me off because I really love both characters and I was excited for the show when it came out. Only for Sam and Bucky to be out of character for the entire duration.
@@ohapplesauceYeah, that "show" did Bucky especially badly.
I'm so glad that Tony and Steve's characters were retired before phase 4. They were so incredibly written and cared for throughout the whole decade, so it would've been so infuriating if they were emasculated like Thor, Hulk, Loki and a bunch of other characters. Heck I think they decided to keep those three characters only BECAUSE they had gone through so much pain and loss making it easy to emasculate them.
Its sad seeing such a beloved franchise basically turn into the the cardinal sin of the superhero shows, the CW
Especially the point with how much our characters have been through, realistically hulk and Thor are veterans of their field and have been through more than most other heroes, yet it doesn’t feel like they’re portrayed as the most experienced or capable. Like they had entire story development arcs in pts 1 ~ 3
Makes me wonder if they knew what was coming
Me too. Glad that some of these original characters retired. Scarlet Johnson's character was good & I think she phased out before it got out of the hands.
But then, Im sure the new woke characters would call the old characters 'effing boomers' & we can't have the new characters feel oppressed and feeling like vitcims, right? 🤭
@@casebycase_904 Yea, black widow was a good character that should've gotten her chance at a solo movie earlier. Unfortunately when we did get the movie, she was already dead making it a lot less worthwile, and the movie itself was one of the worst, and most emasculating movies of the universe. Its probably even more feminist than Captain Marvel which is saying a lot tbh
@@DeVoidAS ya the black widow character was great. She had such a traumatic past yet she overcame it all and became such a rock and a healer to the group.
I want to either agree or disagree with you about the movie, but I genuinely have forgotten about the movie (I think I saw it sometime last year tho) besides terribly forced Russian accent 🥲 Was it one of those feminist movies or not, I cannot even remember is how I feel about that movie by now. They did her wrong!
its embarassing as a woman that these movies seem to need to make their female characters so ridiculously overpowered and perfect to make them valuable characters. just write a strong character, WITH FLAWS, that happens to be a woman. it is not that hard
It’s been said that “We like people for their good qualities but we love them for their flaws”. THIS . . . Is why they fail.
Like the original female characters, exactly right
When these moviemakers will realize representation does not make people automatically associate themselves to their work, that will be a great advance.
It's not really the overpowered-Ness.. it's the fact that they're written to be snarky, passive aggressive bitches. Why? It's why noone likes Captain Marvel and why noone likes She Hulk. But you know why people liked Black Widow? She had a dark past but was still still able to show love, care and affection through all that. She was human and she was an exceptionally crucial member of the Avengers for it.
Same with Wanda. Dark/traumatic past, is able to still humanise herself through love and affection and even when she went crazy in Dr. Strange, we are still able to respect how insanely powerful she is because we can also empathise with her.
Captain Marvel? Bitch for no reason. Gets to blow everything up and has no weaknesses. She hulk? Absolute bitch for no reason. She knows how much Bruce has suffered, yet dares to put cat calling (a normal male behaviour when they see an attractive woman) at the same level as controlling your anger such that you won't accidently kill thousands of people.
@@Tommybotham you lost me at cat calling is a normal behavior lol. It's not, and it shouldn't be encouraged but i'd be damned if somebody ever told me it's worse than the shit Bruce went trough.
God bless you, this is what I’ve been trying to put into words for months. You got the it just right. I hate this phase. Toxic femininity is a thing people and it’s not cool for women to act like the men they hate🔊🔊🔊
You give women a chance to prove they are not incapable, and they prove they are incapable.
Not only is it uncool, but it only empowers the men who already hate women.
One thing that botters me is that Wakanda (africa) = all black, Ta-lo (asia)= all asian, Asgard (europe) = diverse ethnicities
Interesting point
Basically, Marvel is a prime example of what happens when you're so focused on lecturing people about identity politics, oppression, you end up only making yourself look condescending and pompous...
Coming from a non comic book guy, fire those writers. Everyone would thank you.
and what's even funnier is that most likely than not, these idiots behind the scenes aren't even remotely "oppressed"
Exactly. Get writers who write good stories about characters from diverse backgrounds and not lectures of political arguments.
This is why rippaverse commics brand new this year made over 3.5 million in comics orders via books and other stuff for it. I plan to order stuff myself but recovering from job loss 3 months ago. Ill be back to par by the end of month. Rippaverse has its own characters woth backgrounds building them up. Im not comic guy but will... buy to help bring back the good things.
Yeah, and it's not like political issues do not belong in stories - Princess Mononoke is about how human beings destroy nature instead of learning how to exist alongside with it, but you don't see Miyazaki saying that humans are inherently evil for doing so. Lady Eboshi is an empathetic, strong leader who wants to see her city grow; she protects women who would've been working for brothels despite not wanting to do so, she encourages her people, and she's overall really competent. But she's still the antagonist because she doesn't see how killing the Shishigami, the spirit that represents the forest, is a terrible thing to do not only to the forest but also to her people. That movie spoke more about this highly specific issue without restorting to "humans bad" far more than Marvel did, and they did it with a far better written girlboss
Dude... all these characters are pretty comic book accurate? Everyone bitching and moaning when Marvel are just following their pre-established and already existing storylines lol. The Avengers arent' set or pre-defined, they change and adapt and evolve. Kate Bishop and America Chavez are in the Young Avengers. She-Hulk is an Avenger. X-Men was ALL about identity politics and oppression - it's the whole purpose of their existence. People talking here like this is all some "focus on x, y or z". No, Marvel are literally just turning their stories from the 80s and 90s into movies and people are so sensitive about it they can't handle it.
It depresses me that phase four did all of that but it also gives me hope that people aren’t just blindly following along with it and people are calling it out
This kind of thing has been getting better as the years go on. She-Hulk making a big deal about it was surprising because it felt like shows and movies had sort of been moving away from that kind of whingey nonsense pandering.
🙏🏾💯exactly
I agree and I'm also thankful for that, however according to the activist everyone that calls it out is a racist... Because clearly no one knows the true meaning of what racist or prejudice really is anymore, it's just an umbrella term used for people to call others that don't align with their views.
That's the thing...people have been calling this out since it began, even before it happened to Marvel. We kept telling them, "We don't like this; fix it." and they've ignored us. They don't care how much money they lose, because the message is more important to them now...
Effectively speaking, if people are only _now_ turning on the MCU, then things are going to _stay bad for a long while._ Keep calling it out of course; but just know that your calls are largely going to go unheard; and if they are heard, they'll just be answered with accusations of racism and sexism.
The only way this _actually stops_ is when the day comes where they release this garbage...to absolutely _zero views._ No one watches it; no one leaves a like or a comment; hell no one even leaves a _dislike._ It gets completely ignored because we're not gonna waste our time...
The problem is, they have too many of their own brainwashed cult or bot accounts to _simulate success._ And any dissent is immediately labeled as Trolling - like how Amazon and Rotten Tomatoes are trying to protect Rings of Power right now.
I can promise you there are, my boss has a baby yoda tattoo but doesn’t like Star Wars. Well except for the sequels of course. And has a captain marvel tattoo, which when I asked her about the movie she said it’s her favorite and doesn’t care what men think of the movie.
Finally found some other women who agree with me about phase four, omg
I’m so happy you’re bring this up. I’m so tired of all this woke garbage and I’m happy someone’s sharing the truth. This wokeness has gotten so bad that me, a straight white male, can no longer have my own opinions about anything because I have “white privilege” or I’m spreading “toxic masculinity”. It’s a shame that Marvel, one of my favourite movie franchises, has gone down this path. Thank you for making this
Dont worry bud, the only marvel movies we remember will be the ones stan lee wrote, not this fucking garbage
""Either you die a hero or live long enough to become a puppet of woke culture"" - bruh, so true
Disney is just lazy about it. There are strong female characters you would consider woke but are actually really good.
@@soulhunter59 what do you consider woke? a strong female that has earned her position and worked for it? even if the work is not on camera it described and shown in other ways.
Nah to me a woke strong female character, is just the most fantastic important person in the entire story with little to no flaws and the bare minimum of back story explaining why and how they are who and where they are.
And I can't really see a scenario where that will ever be considered a good charater quality wise by most of the critically thinking audience
Nah, that's not the problem. The problem is Marvel likes to seem woke, but they do as little as they can in that sense.
For example, they couldn't replace Chadwick after his passing because they 'really care for a black artist's work', but they didn't give 2 fucks when Chadwick complained about the lack of representation behind the scenes in every Marvel movie he has worked except for Black Panther.
The way Marvel can't go deep about the struggles of minorities is the biggest proof of that. Not to mention the "hey, look at my LGBT character no one knows is a LGBT character! We'll censor them in the Middle East, but don't look at! We'll get you a glittery rainbow flag"
@@ProfessorGunk being constantly hateful to men and white people is pathetic. People are sick of it. It's simple.
Wanting to be on top (because that's what it is) by hating others makes people cringe...
Problem is right wing, main stream media, idiots on the internet and corporations destroying the meaning of woke lol. It just means you acknowledge unfairness and injustice towards some groups in society. Like you aren't asleep to their issues, your woke to them. Taking it further than that is something else. Same as feminism.
As a woman, I love this video. Something felt so off this phase I couldn’t put my finger on it and you explained it perfectly. Its so insulting for both sexes that what they’re doing is saying that men have to be so stupid and useless in order for women to be strong and smart.
Yep. It's insulting to both men and women and any other gender one might identify as.
And She Hulk could have made her points about being irritated in a flippant light hearted way, which people could have understood without being annoyed by. It's the heavy handed sledgehammer approach to gender issues that I dislike so much.
And the women still have fit within the patriarchal standard of beauty by being thin and pretty, or at least be played by women who are. Both Jane and Jennifer are thin compared to actual muscle women. But hey apparently we have 'special' lady muscles that are actually ten times stronger than they actually are!
@@alsmith9853 oh definilty! Her rant should have stopped before comparing herself to Bruce. The cat calling and mansplaining is still acceptable because it does happen and still happen.
I concur. As a woman this whole phase is patronizing and degrading to both sexes.
You completely nailed it!
You have elegantly explained why I hate ALL Disney movies from the past few years.
Its total propaganda!
They insult their main audience, and they forgot to tell a story!
I'm taking a dramatic literature class and we recently read Antigone alongside a piece by the philosopher Hagel on Greek tragedies vs Romantic tradegies (like Shakespeare). According to Hagel Romantic tragedies have a personification of evil that provides conflict, as opposed to the Greek tragedy which provides conflict by presenting two characters who are neither evil or good, innocent or guilty, but instead acting in the only way their character could act. When they want opposing things, it creates conflict with no easy solution. Hagel cited Antigone as a wonderful example. Antigone wants to honor her family by providing her brother with a burial, and Creon wants to uphold his values of justice by denying the burial. Imo, Civil War is a great modern day example of this. While yes, there is a villain, the main conflict comes from Steve and Tony both acting in the only way they could as characters and it's why it's a hotly debated issue. Phase 4 has no conflict like this, but instead expects us to simply agree with whatever morals or values they are spoon feeding us. That's why I think phase 4 sucks
Arcane is a perfect example of strong female characters. They have flaws, they get beaten down, they make mistakes. And Arcane doesn't put the men down or make them stupid just so the women can be seen as powerful.
Agreed
Good example! And like all good examples, it starts with a good writer just trying to tell a good story. If a few years from now, we found out these superhero movies were actually written by an AI, how surprised would you be? ;)
Daenerys
The answer is simple. Stop hiring any woman with a college degree.
Only hire working class broads.
good person
We went from Bruce being unable to commit suicide in the first Avengers to Jennifer womansplaining about being catcalled or being called emotional in She Hulk. In the words of the great Nerdrotic, we are in peak M She-U phase bore
Yup! That scene where bruce talks about how low he got is incredible. You can feel the tension in the room. So well done
I fear down the line we’ll be full force into The M-She-U & The D-She-EU
@@DougieYT seeing as how Batgirl got cancelled to protect the DC brand or whatever David Zaslav said I'm actually very hopeful for the future. I can feel the winds of change a-blowing
@@BaggageClaim That's what annoys me so about the she-hulk character; she is not humble and is very disrespectful to her cousin and the things hes gone through and continues going through which are far more serious and grievous then any cat calls she ever endured!💯😁😉👍
@@BaggageClaim you know twords the end of the episode where she's just going off about how bad his life was after he became a hulk and that he had no friends or family and all that....I'm just thinking " wow....everything you just said was wrong"
First off you are his family so good job on recognizing that
He was friends with the avengers and we have seen him hang out with people plenty of times after he became the hulk
The only time he really started to go into isolation was after avengers 2 and even then he just went right back to being a part of a team and even pretty quickly managed to over come his hulk problem and was no longer a threat so no overall Bruce banner has had it rough but not to the point where there was nothing left to live for.
It was hard but he always had the support of his friends who happily best the sh*t out of the hulk for him
* Sniff* and I know my friends would beat the shit out of me too if I asked them 🤣😂😅
What pisses me off about that She-Hulk scene specifically is that she clearly has no idea what Bruce has gone through. Let me list everything off:
-Abusive father
-Father murdered mother
-Worked in extremely toxic environment where his gf's dad was his boss and also a massive prick
-Gets blasted by an expirimental bomb that ruins his life
-Becomes a fugitive for 10+ years, forcing him to abandon the love of his life
-Attempts suicide and fails because the Hulk won't let him die
-A woman he loved dies and even with the Infinity Gauntlet he can't bring her back
But yeah getting cat-called is sooo much worse.
You got a new fan and subscriber! Thank you for voicing your (very intelligent) observations. Let's hope the writers will stop destroying our beloved characters and get back on track to do what they do best - create amazing, badass, touching and complex movies.
As sad and heartbroken as I was when Tony died, I’m now glad he did. Because he won’t have to suffer the humiliation that Thor & Hulk & Hawkeye are going through right now. But I’m pretty sure his daughter or whatever chick is going to suit up as the next Ironman will already know what took him years to learn & will be superior to him 🤮
Yaaay... Good writing...
Just wait for IronHeart
With RiRi that makes Doom look like a good guy
@@Hanmacx GOT will definitely be like this too
Endgame Steve : yea fuck this woke shit..im going back to the good ol'days
Women who can see through the trickery. A hopeful sight.
"I've been riddled with gamma rays, run from the authorities for most of my life, shot myself in the mouth and forced to live through it, and suffer with the worst case of split personality disorder and severe depression" -hulk
"I'm being whistled at" -she hulk
Banner was also abused by his father - that's how he developed DID
@@minnie2352 is this movie canon? I dont remember this in hulk movies
@@ajinasawor Ah, it's from the comics. He does have the Hulk personality tho, which implies DID, which implies childhood trauma.
@@ajinasawor Old hulk movie with norton as banner is cannon in MCU.
don't forget "my colleague who I had a romantic attraction to is dead" for the hulk
Thank you for saying all of this! I’ve had these exact same thoughts when it comes to woke culture and whatever this new version of “diversity” and “representation” it is that the media has been trying to sell everyone. Growing up, I was taught that in the US, we are a nation of immigrants and that we are all bring something different to our country bc of all the different backgrounds that we came from. We were supposed to celebrate all people and all cultures and strive towards a better world together. I know this wasn’t an accurate depiction of the world we live in but when I hear about diversity nowadays, it’s basically just reverse prejudice towards a different group of people. Like you said, we are teaching a generation of male children that they are root cause of all that is evil in the world and no matter what they accomplish or suffer through, it was either unearned and their suffering cannot even be compared to the fact that they are not a minority or female. It’s actually insulting to those they are wanting to represent as powerful bc it comes at the cost of dumbing down the world around them so they become the most competent person in the room almost by default. That’s not a great message either. I do not understand why people can not all be lifted up and celebrated together without having to oppress a different group of people bc by someones twisted logic out there, two wrongs will always make a right.
I’m so glad you said all of this!
Tony’s sense of humour and sarcasm is *criminally underrated*
"We have to stop telling men that there is no difference between competence and misogyny."
Well said. Thank you!
This resonates so much
Some women definitely have anger issues, so Bruce is perfectly reasonable in asking her if she can control her anger. He of all people knows the horrific consequences of not controlling your emotions as the hulk. But no, she took it personally because she thinks he’s being sexist bc everything has to be about her 🙄
Edit: not just women, but men too. The reason I emphasized women was because she saw it as a sexist attack when it really wasnt
It's not even a woman thing. He just wants to know because if ANYONE with her powers man or woman had them and couldn't control it then the end result could be catastrophic. It's a legitimate question regardless of gender. To then say what she said to a man that lost years of his life fleeing from a government that turned him into a monster in the first place and then had to not only do it again after he saved there asses after they did the experiment AGAIN he also was forced to say goodbye to the woman he loved too. It's like the writers forgot The Incredible Hulk is canon. Even if the actor is different the events that happened in that film were still part of the life of the character we see on screen now
@@SuperAnimeking100 facts
Some??
And got she gets angry while proceeding to belittle the trauma he's been through and comparing that to how traumatic it is for men acknowledging her on the street that she's good looking.
@@kpetro1675 cat-calling is sexual harassment, I also think that she-hulk is being an asshole to hulk but cat-calling ain't right
Thank you for this video, this video brought tears to my eyes. I am a female and I have a younger male cousin and two young female cousins they are all about the same age. They always gang up on him and put him down by calling him weak, they call him an idiot, useless, and throw things at him. It really upsets him but I can tell he’s too scared to defend himself, because when he does people defend the girls. (Fun fact they all watch Marvel) It really upsets me how this is how young girls and boys are being taught in the media these days.
This phase just frustrates me so much on so many levels and you touched all of them so well.
16:55 “Representation…is being used as a threat. As if minorities have to like something simply based on the fact that their culture, religion, ethnicity, or sexual identity is being represented.” THIS. THIS IS THE LINE. It's so ridiculous to hear Sana Amanat basically ask people to support this movie only because "they worked really really hard on it." I can applaud efforts for trying something new, but asking me to blindly fall in line because I'm "represented" is completely spitting on the face of those who've actually worked hard to create GOOD storylines, and not just try and cheat their way to accolades using cheap identity tactics.
Yes, exactly! Just because you worked hard on something doesn't mean people have to like it
Sana Amanat is one of the most privileged, spoiled, narcissistic brats working in the industry today. If she thinks we're supposed to like her stories because she worked hard on it and she's "representing a group", then she's delusional.
This is something that I feel like the tv show LOST did exceptionally well. It had a multi-ethnic cast of characters that all spoke in their native languages and observed their own cultural customs and it never once demanded that you like the show on those grounds. It just represented real people from real parts of the world in a real way, and even incorporated their histories into their stories, but did it without talking down to the audience or making exceptions or offering special treatment for any one group over the other.. The white men in that show were just as compelling as the muslim character or the Korean couple, and visa versa.
@@roberthesser6402 I agree!
@@BaggageClaim the Epitome of Corporate Shame.
Imagine if this phase had actually been about grief and consequences. That would have been really powerful and meaningful. But it just wasn’t actually about that.
Yup and especially now with recent events around the world more people could relate to grief, many storytelling opportunities were lost to the idea of being “woke”
what is being "woke'? They made a show that followed the comics. Read the comics. Its a fun break the fourth wall comedy about a super hero/lawyer that sleeps around. 30 min streaming tv and ppl talk like they were going for a Best Picture Award winning Oscar.
@@nuxkamina Disingenuous people who play dumb like you are everything wrong with the audiences of these movies today.
@@tumulovermelho93 you blame the audience for enjoying light hearted comedies similar to the comic they grew up reading?
@nuxkamina4728 Anyone I've talked to who was a fan of the comics is very much not a fan of the show - though I'll admit media is subjective, and some who loved the comic do enjoy the show, that is certainly not the majority
14:42 love that that you mention that the tension between Iron Man and Captain America were brewing for a long time.
Thank you for this. I needed to see someone show what this ridiculous phase is all about. I fear what's to come, but there is still hope that kids in the future will get to watch amazing super hero stories, just like we did.
It’s like when a writer tries to make a character seem smart, but is limited by the writer’s own intelligence, they can only dumb down the characters around the smart one.
Same thing happened here. They can’t write a good female character. So they have to write bad male characters to show you how good the females are. The result is a contest of badness. Male and female racing to the bottom
Well said! And all the woman characters are in essence carbon copies of each other, or they turn out that way in the end. They might have diversity in skin tone, but they sure don't have diversity of character
Feels like the writers of Marvel took Thomas Astruc and Miraculous Ladybug's writing too seriously
That’s not true about not being able to write decent female characters though. There ARE some in the MCU like black widow (aside from her movie) and Gomorrah. But it’s true their writing is awful for she hulk and some other female characters like captain marvel.
@@flataffect Yep, thing is…Black Widow and Gomorrah are 1) Both from previous phases, and 2) A very clear minority of the total female heroes featured in the MCU. This video is pointing out how Phase 4 is continuously pushing this flawed idea of making an average female character overpowered without effort and using said empowerment to bash on males around them to make them seem great. It’s getting super old and it’s clearly not working.
I don't understand why they've gotta portray women in masculine roles to empower them. Where has feminism gone? Oh, to the dudes
I think my issue is that the writers, instead of taking ownership of the fact that there weren’t many diverse stars in the first few phases, decided to write the newly diverse characters in a way that made the *audience* feel guilty for cheering on non-diverse characters to begin with. There’s an undercurrent of shame in almost every new episode. It’s why the new shows are so hard to watch, there’s no growth, no pushing boundaries, no truly humble and heroic characters. It’s just “here’s a woman who’s already perfect just because she’s a woman, she doesn’t have to work on anything, you’re welcome”. I can’t even bear to watch the trailers. The only movie lately (I know it’s not marvel, I just mean as a good example of solid writing to compare) that made me feel empowered as a woman was The Batman. Catwoman was badass, because she had growth
Isn't Batman a DC thing...
But isnt that just their characters in the comics? Would u like it if they change the character?
@@karugoki1585 source material isnt always good, comic are full of shitty characters, stories and decisions, especially the new comics, which this bad characters are mostly inspired from, like america chavez, ironhearth and so on...
but not she hulk tho, the 80s comics of she hulk are awesome, they are not femminist crap, when they are good like she hulk they still make them worse, so they dont care about the comics especially now, because agenda
feel guilty!!!! I dont feel shit, I had a lot of fun with the first movies and didn't care about a race or gender because this thing mean nothing to me cause I am here to have Fun and not to get lecture.
@@QUBIQUBED yeah, I was saying that’s the only movie I’ve seen that has a solid female character arch lately. Not saying it’s marvel just a movie
Your analysis and presentation are brilliant! Here is to hoping these creators can consider your valid and invaluable observations!
Thank you so much for pointing out the problem and giving solutions to it. Many channels simply rage on the problem for views and it brings us nowhere.
Someone tell the writers of She-Hulk that being catcalled in the street or condescended by people you work with is *not comparable* to Bruce witnessing his father abuse his mother as a child, getting hit with a supposedly lethal dose of radiation, developing a superpowered alter ego he had no control over, being hunted by his own government for years because of said alter ego, and becoming depressed to the point of suicide only to realise this alter ego wouldn't even let him die. Bruce had no choice but to bring the Hulk to heel, because every day he didn't was literally driving him insane.
its almost like jen is a human who said something that was not factually true but what is she felt. maybe i watched a different show but can you pinpoint the moment in which the show validates jen's viewpoint only. why would the show induce a one side argument into the show each character has a point. Hulk basically said forget your friends and family, your job and bills, and relationships! abandon them all and live in exile cuz that's what superhero's do, not realizing that he did that only because he had too, i would have not said that to my fam but i would be mad that you bascailly ruined my life and then try to control where it goes
@@nebula1123 Because the MCU is loaded with Hulks that- oh wait, it's only him and now her. In the entire episode she did nothing that made her come off as having a single redeeming quality either, which is why people are not as willing to give her a chance.
@@nebula1123 I would agree with you if it was real life and not a scripted show (people say dumb things all the time or at least things they really believe). But as a show we have seen how the writer and actors think and their opinions on interviews, with that context its obvious that's the factual truth for them an use the show as a vehicle for their agenda.
She never compared their trauma she only compared their anger management. So many people missed the point of that scene.
@@VerryJerry90 I half agree. I agree in that she didn't compare trauma but anger management and proved herself wrong when she turned into hulk right after she said it. A lot of people either ignore that scene or didn't watch since they only watch clips of her ranting.
But I disagree in that she did compare and that shouldn't have been done so as to make her character more likeable. She could have just said "oh, anger management. It's not like I never done it before. In fact I do it all the time!" and stop before she said "I do it better than you,"
But nope, she didn't and kept going and it shows that what she truly is; someone that, while rightfully being looked down by men, instead of ignoring it and becoming better, she decided to do the same thing as they did and look down on men as well.
For months, I searched for the perfect video that perfectly explains why the MCU is falling apart because of Phase 4. There were plenty of good ones, but they lacked a few things that I thought were necessary to explain.
Today I'm happy to say that I finally found that perfect video. You explained literally *EVERYTHING* that needed to be said and I love it so much. From the bait & switch, to Marvel disrespecting their established characters, to "Women good, Men bad" and many other things.
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Woke Phase Four:
WandaVision: Female-led show that introduces two more major female characters, Agatha Harkness
(who will get her own series) and Monica Rambeau. A cameo by Dr. Strange intended to explain all the
commercials as his efforts to contact her through the Hex was written out despite the fact that it would
make perfect sense and tie the series into the larger MCU because it was thought that even the
appearance of a major male character would somehow detract from Wanda’s journey. That leaves the
show’s only white male as the villain, naturally. We are also introduced to Wanda’s two children, one of
which we know will grow up to be gay (future box checked).
Falcon & the Winter Soldier: The first half of the show largely involves lecturing the audience on how
racist America is, even though there was not a single MCU fan who didn’t cry or cheer (or both) when
Steve handed over his shield to Sam. Towards the end the show shifts gears to start lecturing the
audience on immigration and open borders instead. The villain is a female POC, but we find out she’s
not really a bad guy after all, with the darkest acts actually committed by the new white male Captain
America. We also get introduced to a major new female character in Contessa Valentina.
Loki: The series is promoted as being about the male character Loki, but the plot is actually centered
around the new female version of Loki (a theme that will continue). Male Loki spends most of the film
trying to catch up with or figure out the machinations of female Loki who is always two steps ahead,
giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male
character is supposedly the best at (another theme that will continue). Kang the Conqueror, a major
character and descendant of white Reed Richards, is race-swapped to be black.
Black Widow: Female-led movie that introduces several new major female characters in Yelena Belova
and the Iron Maiden. Taskmaster was inexplicably gender-swapped to female as well, retconning the
character’s powers and entire origin story to do so. The only males in the film are a simp desperate for
Natasha’s approval, a deadbeat Dad who only succeeds at being a punchline for the basest forms of
toxic masculinity and a two-dimensional misogynist white male villain so over-the-top and cartoony that
he actually says out loud that the world has too many little girls in it.
Shang-Chi: Another obscure character that no one was asking for is introduced so that he can be touted
as the first Chinese super-hero, crossing off another box on the identity politics bingo card. We meet
multiple new female characters, including Shang-Chi’s sister, who is given little plot development and
seems to only be in the film to kick Shang-Chi’s ass, giving us a female character who is better than the
show’s main male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. She may be
getting her own series.
Eternals: A movie about an obscure super team that no one asked for and one that has massive
implication in the MCU but is then completely ignored by all other MCU productions. The team
predominantly features gay members, handicapped members, race-swapped members and gender-
swapped members. Despite it being the most ‘diverse and inclusive’ cast ever, the movie was watched
by literally no one.
Hawkeye: The series is promoted as being about the male character Hawkeye, but the plot is actually
centered around the new female version of Hawkeye. It also features the female anti-hero Yelena
Belova and introduces a major new female character, the Native American and handicapped Echo (who
will get her own series).
Spider-Man - No Way Home: The only MCU film not owned by Disney. There is no identity politics in it
whatsoever, instead focusing on nostalgia and great story-telling. Consequently, it became far and away
the biggest hit of the entire MCU post-Endgame.
Dr. Strange and the Multi-Verse of Madness: The movie was promoted as being about the male
character Stephen Strange, but the plot is centered around Wanda Maximoff. Strange spends the entire
movie running from or unsuccessfully trying to hold off Wanda’s powerful magic, giving us a female
character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male character is
supposedly the best at. It also introduces us to a major new female character in Hispanic America
Chavez, who has two gay moms and manages to lecture the audience on how food (and presumably
healthcare) should be free for all. After Dr. Strange repeatedly fails to save the day, Wanda ends up
redeeming her own self and seemingly sacrificing herself in the process. A post-credit cameo also
introduces us to yet another major female character in Clea.
Ms. Marvel: Female-led show that introduces us to the major female character and first-ever Muslim
character (another box checked), the otherwise obscure and un-asked for Ms. Marvel. This show will tie
in to the upcoming all-female movie The Marvels, featuring Captain Marvel and Monica Rambeau.
Thor: Love and Thunder: This show is promoted as being about the male character Thor but the plot is
actually centered around the new female Thor (Jane Foster) and her battle with cancer. Female Thor,
dubbed ‘The Mighty Thor’, is also able to command the loyalty and powers of Mjolnir (which reforms
solely for her) better than male Thor, giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main
male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. We are also introduced to a
brand-new female character in ‘Love’ at the movie’s end. The movie is a wealth of identity box-checking
as it features bisexual Norse-but-somehow-still-black Valkyrie, the non-binary son of Norse-but-
somehow-still-black Heimdall (who manages to lecture the audience on the evils of ‘dead-naming’), gay
Korg, gay Korg’s two gay dads and even a cross-dressing Miek. The phenomenal performance of the evil
alien-but-somehow-still-whiter-than-white villain is unfortunately wasted and the virtues of the rainbow
coalition are even further promoted by giving us an evil realm whose main distinctive feature is its
oppression and exclusion of diverse colors. Also, the legendary God Zeus is depicted as overly-
effeminate (complete with a flouncy little skirt) and the subtext of the entire film is essentially a scathing
indictment of religion and, by extension, anyone who would be foolish enough to actually be religious.
She-Hulk - Attorney at Law: Female-led series that introduces us to the major female character Jennifer
Walters Her origin story is inexplicably changed away from having Bruce Banner save her life to it merely
being an accident in a canon-shredding case of Hulk’s blood simply touching hers. Unlike Bruce, Jennifer
immediately has full control of her mental faculties and can combine her power and her intelligence in a
way that it took Bruce years and years to master (even though he was one of the world’s leading
scientific geniuses), giving us a female character who is better than the show’s male character at
whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. The series shifted away from its intended
premise of court-room procedural when the showrunner realized that no one in the writer’s room ‘knew
how to write courtroom drama’ (?) and instead leaned into token female empowerment in every way
imaginable, from having a beloved male hero forced to take the ‘walk of shame’ to making the ultimate
villains be cartoonish white male incels and internet trolls.
Black Panther - Wakanda Forever: Namor’s backstory and origins are completely retconned so that Marvel
can have its first Mexican character (another box checked) and of course we replace male Black Panther with
female Black Panther and introducing a black female Ironheart (who will get her own series) to replace the white male
Iron Man. Continuing the well-established trend, both will undoubtedly be better at whatever the male hero they are
replacing was best at. Interestingly, somehow the Aztec-born Namor managed to be around for his original culture to be
subjugated by white slave owners but somehow missed the rape, murder, enslavement, human sacrifice and cannibalism
that the Aztec themselves were notorious for for centuries.
I don't mind having women, people of color, or members of the community being strong characters. What I do hate however, is Disney trying to assume what people want to see and try to fit in with the "modern people" of society.
"This is too easy" - perfect!
This was my biggest issue with Ray in Star Wars. After Luke learns to be a Jedi across 3 movies, and Anakin is a Padawan for 10 years and a Sith Lord for 20 more, Ray literally gains her powers in the blink of an eye.
In She-Hulk, we learn that women have to control their anger. No mention that angry men are also not received well, especially if they threaten violence at the first opportunity.
Rey also beats a sith, or lifelong warrior, the first time she ever saw a light saber? In fact, I don't think she ever loses a fight with anyone in any movie and she controls the force better than anyone within minutes of hearing about it.
I think ray is worse cause atleast with she hulk it shows that hulk is still stronger and she doesn’t beat hulk at everything in training.
Hulk took out shehulk with one thunderclap it took like 5 claps from shehulk to put hulk down. And hulk chucked a boulder into the atmosphere she couldn’t even do that
I hate she-hulk. Her premise could have been so much better about fighting the bad behavior from her innate self (her profuse partying, alcoholism, real problems even for high class people like her). Instead we got a whiny character that thinks getting cat-called is the most infuriating it can get. Very frustrating.
Look up Mary Sue trope. There is a picture of Rey.
She wasn't even controlling her anger in the scene when she was lecturing Bruce. The sort of "anger control" she's talking about is taking the anger and shoving it deep down. But when you're the hulk, you don't shove it deep down. You just become the Hulk.
I thought the utter disrespect they'd shown Thor by relegating him and his tragic life into a joke could not be topped, but I guess the writers at She-Hulk took that as a challenge.
I don't even like Ruffalo's Hulk and they still managed to piss me off with the way they're treating him.
The last good Marvel movie was definitely Spider-Man No Way Home. I refuse to watch She-Hulk now because of the crap they were shoving down our throats from the first episode. Baggage Claim didn't mention it but She-Hulk basically erased all the years of torture and near suicide Hulk had to endure because she gets "Catcalled" or "mansplained". If this isn't toxic femininity I don't know what is. This video just made it evident of Marvel's Misandrist purpose and goal.
@@Juraikken I pretty much noped out of the MCU after Endgame. While by no means perfect, it was a decent capstone on the MCU. What's more, the cracks were already beginning to show by the end of phase 3 and the prospects for phase 4 looked utterly grim.
And yes, that was exactly the scene I was referring to. The show completely validates Jen whining about her first world problems to a man who was hunted by authorities for over a decade. A man so desperate to end his curse he tried to kill himself, but couldn't due to the very monster he was trying to escape.
But oh boy, that catcalling! Those darn mansplainers!
@@Juraikken it wasnt near suicide, it was fully attempted and only failed cause hulk said no.
bruce wasnt even allowed to end his suffering, yet another thing hulk took.
@@AliRadicali so you made your opinion on she hulk and Thor based on other people's biased views? What a stupid thing to do.
@@theoryofeverything9421 If I can identify a turd by sight and smell, why would I taste it?
I've seen enough of this... content to know it's trash and I'd rather not further expose myself to garbage sequels lest they taint what good memories and associations I have with the earlier movies.
I am so glad someone put it into such well spoken words, thank you
This is amazing. I've never commented on a video before, but this was just so good I felt I had to say something. Thank you for making this!
"As strong women, don't we want competent men?" There is the crux of it. Well said.
The attack on masculinity is bought and paid for by ideologues and bad acters.
Well... *points at reality*. Yeah, wanting is not getting. And in the end Marvel Comics very much tried to be a fictionalized mirror of reality. So does the MCU at many points.
@@Xirtamani Are you implying that there are no competent men?
@@ryanmartin4602 --Well....so many men are struggling with lust and impurity.....not just fornication but the pr0n problem too. A man can't commit and lead a family if he has no loyalty and virtue. No respect for another human being, and no respect for his future wife, and no respect for himself. If competent men are there (which they are) there are FAR less compared to my dad and mom's generation. And are harder to find.
@@ryanmartin4602 No. Just that there is a lack of them. There are in general too many incompetent people, no matter the gender though. But I'd say when you look at women and men and especially in the field of interaction between them... Men have way more incompetent people there. And eh, every woman who is a bit bigger on the Internet (even if not in any erotic business or so) can tell you a dozen stories and the same goes for women who are/were using dating apps about such men. Can't say the same for men, or at least not in this quantity and quality.
Rule #1 of writing a story, don't attack and alienate your audience. Something they didn't understand with phase 4
ya it felt like they were trying so hard to expand the audiance they forgot about storytelling
It apparently worked. People keep paying for this garbage no matter how many polished turds are flung at them. They've incentivized Hollywood to do the bare minimum, the audience will pay for it either way.
That's where you're wrong. They did understand it. The She-Hulk showrunner admitted she actively made the show to attack fans. Just like modern Marvel comics creators since All New All Different in 2015, they're actively running off the fans. They don't want fans of the properties, they want fans of the creators. They want consumers of the properties. Anyone can be a consumer but it requires work to make them fans.
@@arkoisagoodboy What?
very well said
I think whats ironic is a lot people think thats what superman is like some perfect being who can do no wrong but in reality he's just a down to earth guy trying to make the world better
You are so well thought-out. It's refreshing to see somebody who takes a deep dive
The saddest thing is that this phase had an amazing potential . All the new characters and stories Could have been so much better and fun if they focused on writing rather than pushing agenda only
I know, right? Half the universe was literally obliterated for 5 years. What do we get? A genocidal maniac-themed ice-cream shop.
@@felixmuraguri8379 ...what? Have I missed something serious because that ice cream shop bit sounds too ridiculous to be true.
They aren’t pushing an agenda y’all are only seeing it that way
@@smokedsanjl for real like. what is the mcu supposed to do after half the universe is obliterated. there's going to be new stuff. people are just mad the original cast is gone.
All stories push an agenda or have an agenda behind them, that is not bad itself. The real problem here is that they are not writing good characters and stories.
Also when it comes to She Hulk she said she can control herself when she goes full hulk. So that means she was fully aware that her kicking a group of men would have killed them.
Yeah, they really undermined themselves there. That would seem to prove that Jen desperately needs help controlling her anger.
I didn't like she said that to hulk though. It invalidated his experiences. Like he went through depression and tried to k himself and he experienced living in Asgard and isolating himself there and through Thanos and whatnot and somehow all his trauma and depression he lived are less significant to her
She didn’t know she was a hulk. She said in the show that the first few times were a blur and she was overwhelmed.
Remember kids: respect women, but let's obsess over if a male hero got laid or not.
@@dwayneshy9531 So when she lunged at those men, she DIDN'T know she had just doubled in size? That makes her look stupid for different reasons.
Damn, so many great one liners in this one. It's almost as if you read great comic books as a kid! Subbed!
Nice vid i also like the format!❤
How did they not see the irony of that she hulk "I deal with Infinitely more than you, Bruce" scene... Her big gripes are cat calls, and then the most minor irritations that most of us deal with on a daily basis, to a guy who's had people he loves die, who's been locked out of his own body for over 2 years, who's tried to kill himself over the remorse of losing control of his emotions and killing innocent bystanders... and she loses control of her emotions just talking about how much better she is at controlling them 🤣
Bah, this is why MCU ended with end game for me (Except spiderman i guess), wasting money on these crap is not worth it.
@@Blace0225 Yes, Spider-Man is basically the only loose thread that there was left.
Sad.
@@Blace0225 I think the Eternals was the last straw. That movie was hot garbage
And the way they had Bruce looking chastised and humble, like, "yes, you're right. Such excellent points and examples. I should have known better than to have even suggested you may need help and guidance. Thank you for reminding me of how little I know... I can really feel your pain... You clearly have a better handle on all of this from being a hulk for all of 2 hours than I ever hope to after over a DECADE. Gosh girl, you're so naturally superior. What was I thinking?" BLURGH! I hated that scene.
It's such a delight listening to a woman, real woman talking like this.
These weirdos don't even understand what they have in hands, and do what they do better, ruin established characters in order to lecture us "what we should do to make the world a more inclusive place", but in doing so, they are losing the real fans.
Thank you kindly for sharing your articulated words.
Yes, though they do not even convey a good lecture. They tell us a half-assed message each time about how they THINK we should act, completely ignoring that they´re in their own little disconnected bubble of society and have no idea what real individualism is. I do not like the word "inclusion" when it comes to certain minorities or heritages simply because it hints at them not being included usually, at them being not a part of what "normal" is.
I for one do not include people, I pick the right person for the right job. And everyone has a place everywhere, you just need to look.
Makes me curious as to if it's not a male writer. Stumbled across a channel that had a female voice a male channel but was advocating for men's rights. She pointed it out in almost a way to insinuate they don't necessarily reflect what she feels. And I think the lesson can be applied nicely here, some people just read from a script.
0:52 that intro speech gave me goosebumps. The articulation of all Tony Stark, Thor and Steve Rogers gave me flashbacks of a great time.
A white man here. I don't want to get shot down by the comment section too hard, so I'll just say thank you and you made me cry
"I didn't really get the Eternals, looks cool though..." the most universal sentiment on the movie. Bravo
They should have introduced them individually - or say two at a time - with their backstories and character developments BEFORE making "the Eternals", would have worked way better than just throwing an ensemble movie at us when we know literally none of the characters.
Many viewers have never read a Marvel comic in their lives but were intrigued by (and loved) the movies of phases 1-3. And then Disney comes along and shoves an ensamble movie in their faces with a dozen or so more or less important characters, whom those viewers never heard about, were never even hinted at. How was this ever supposed to work out?
@@dorderre You realize you are also describing Guardians of the Galaxy right? The premiss was fine, the execution sucked.
To be honest, The Eternals were never very interesting
@@MrZPal2099 a couple were interesting, they just opened and focused on the 3 blandest.
I liked the one who went bollywood, and his assistant, but the others were bland or underdeveloped.
GotG they all can into the story quickly (except drax), and were all fully fleshed out. But there were also less characters to develop.
I think it always looked like a giant bag of toss tbph
Notice how Spider-Man No Way Home was also significantly different from every other film in Phase 4, because it is a very explicit depiction of the hardships that Peter Parker has to go through, in order to become a true Spider-Man. The whole film is basically proving to us all that this version of Spider-Man is really worthy of being Spider-Man, alongside the older versions, BECAUSE of the pain and suffering he is willing to endure and overcome.
In every other Phase 4 work, the new female characters come out perfect and untouchable--making them unrelatable and unworthy.
YES. Exactly. No Way Home, had basically zero propaganda and woke garbage. It focused on a good compelling story. There was no new spider-woman who will take on his role or anything, there was just the real Peter parkers story, only just starting. The MCu Peter Parker's story is just getting started(I hope).
That's because nobody cares about the suffering of men and what we go through every day because we don't publicize it and it's also not championed by social media. Peter Parker's character is the personification of men that do the right thing but are rarely rewarded for it.
@@joshuaedwards4927 Sry but where did he remotely did the right thing in the newest movie?
He wanted to alter the Universe because he didn't want to face the consequences. He messes with the spell and was responsible for all these super villains attacking New York and then refused to listen to the wizard who safed his ass and traps him in hos own dimension. And because of that his aunt died.
I like the ending because he has to be responsible for the shit he was doing in the majority of the movie. But until that moment were was he doing the right thing?
Or do you meant Peter Parker in general and not in the latest movie?
Sony does not play like that
@@Isabelle-hv6ny
How did he do the right thing ?
1) Tried to help his friends get into College
2) Tried to save bad guys from being sent to their deaths in their universes
3) sacrificed everybody he knew and loved at the end to save the world
Just found your channel and have been enjoying your videos. Smart insightful content thats accurate. Keep up the good work.
Excelente trabalho....Um dos melhores canais Brasileiro transmitiu o seu conteúdo e devido ter achado um excelente trabalho, eu vim dar o meu LIKE no trabalho original. Congratulations!!!
The part where Sam says “you have to do better senator” and gives no ideas or suggestions about how to solve the problem is the best example of how stupid woke culture is.
Exactly. Liberals are so braindead
Lol so Sam has to literally save the world on a regular basis AND do the Senator's job for him? Lol
@@jamesjackson8265 implying that he knows best because he’s a black man wearing the Stars and Stripes while giving no incline on how to solve any of the logistical problems faced is a dishonour to everything Steve Rogers believed in.
@@jamesjackson8265 Tell me you're not an adult without telling me you're not an adult.
You most definitely succeeded.
Not really. The world did work for 5 Years without borders. Just because imperaialists came back does not mean it should be changed back again just for power hungry and corrupt people to get back to places of power. He needs to do better not to fall back into that old routine of conflict just because it is hard to face those people.
That ending monolog you did honestly almost had me in tears. It's RARE to hear women these days talk men up and thanks to popular media these days promoting misandry, it was something I really needed to hear. YOu have not said it, but phase 4 and modern films are just sexist. I mean, if the Transformers films are called sexist for showing Megan Fox's ass, than these films promoting hate against men sure as hell are as well.
I'm trying to pin down what music she is using in that part. Any idea what it is?
Yup love and Thunder had nude thor.. hmm you can do good man or women eye candy characters as long they human with great stories. What’s wrong with this wrong woke they care way too much on the hot bodies but not their hearts, smarts or soul.
I almost teared up and I’m a woman!
There are more and more women critics on TH-cam coming out about how terrible these characters are being written.
Finally, women who aren't gaslighting other women into believing they have some sort of evil internalized misogyny because they dared to find some faults in a female character. 🙃
Satan gave me a tacooo
& It made me really sick
The be chicken was all raw
& The grease was mighty thick
The rice was all rancid
& The beans were so hard
I was getting kinda dizzy
Eating all the lard
Naw come, on we know if Satan gave you a taco it would blow your mind.
_"I was exposed to deadly radiation which gave me split personality disorder. My alternate personality had severe anger issues to the point he attacked government officials, making me an enemy of the state. The constant switching of personalities ruined my relationships with people, to the point I lived in reclusion and even attempted suicide, which failed. After that i tried helping people but my split personality kept interfering keeping everyone afraid of me. Three of my villains manipulated my split personality to win at their evil schemes, which worked so well my other half took over completely for 2 years. I finally redeemed myself by reviving half the universe, but ¼ of my body was paralysed as a result, so I had to stop being a hero and live in recluse again until I could combine my personalities into one and finally rejoin the outside world and be normal."_
*"YEAH BUT I GET CATCALLED"*
This is perfect, you say exactly what I try to say to my friends when I tell them I’m not excited to see a movie or a tv show anymore cause I know that I most likely gonna end up like those examples you’ve shown
It's honestly mind boggling to me how there isn't more of an uproar surrounding a lot of these projects. The way I see it, Marvel is essentially telling us that the only thing interesting about some of these characters is their sexual preference and/or skin color, and that female characters can only be strong when all the male characters are weakened.
What they care about is what agenda is going to fill their pockets more
Marvel & The DisneyCU lost its soul a long time ago, honestly seeing the stuff they’ve been putting out since 2019 is nauseating.
@@barbararab6390 Ironically, thats why they are falling
why would anyone take this shit that seriously, If you don't like what Marvel studios are doing... don't watch their stuff. All the crazy shit happening in the world and your crying about movies.
@@barbararab6390 exactly disney is a corporation with one agenda... make as much money as they can.
Thank you. I'm here because of She-Hulk. It was just too far. It's so easy to have a badass woman without having to make all the men around them look awful. It's literally the same exact way that you make two male characters badass. They're both just badass.
And the trend of creating female superheroes counter parts (Spider woman, Supergirl, batwoman, she Hulk, iron woman, female Thor) was a bad take since it's early inception in cómic history. It was a lazy way to appeal to female readers. It's just a skin change and thats a wrap. It's using established male heroes as clutch to avoid create something from the ground up with original and creative force. Lazy, lazy, lazy.
And they are doing this shit in 202x year. Cmon! Give us NEW female characters who happen to be heroes. Start constructing them from the ground up. With struggles, failures, flaws. Humanize them. Don't make them all witty sassy girlboss drones please.
And they don't need to be stronger than every male character just because. Add variety. Some may be, some don't. Just as Peter Parker isn't stronger than Thor, for example. Or basically every other superhero wasn't as powerful as Thor. And did that make them inferior or boring? Fuck no! Because they screenwriters did the homework and provided us with good storylines, good dialogue and the actors delivered with great perfomances.
This bs of she Hulk, she Thor, and she-whatever is so stupid
@@Afreshio 👌 my dude, this is too good to be in the replies. You should post it with the main comments
nah cus She-Hulk literally diminishes Bruce's struggles in the first fucking episode.
like sheesh man.
@@Afreshio Stan Lee created She Hulk in 1979, at least partially to prevent the copywriting of a female Hulk character by the holders of the TV rights after the success of their spin off of "The Six Million Dollar", called "The Bionic Woman". Incidentally, Supergirl was introduced in 1958. Batgirl was introduced in 1967. These characters have an established history and legions of fans. So the "trend" you speak of is at least 64 years old. Maybe you just need to get used to it?
Some of these female characters you mention have definitely gone nowhere. They either take on a life of their own or they don't. Over 4 decades, She Hulk has developed into a very different character with a very different comic.
When Jane Foster became a Thor, she also had to deal with cancer, which is a departure from anything that I can imagine the original Thor encountering, while Thor is forced to deal with the pain of loving of something mortal. Frankly, your ignorant whining seems far lazier and less interesting than fantasy characters dealing with these real challenges.
There's so much content available, in the comics and now the MCU is exploding. No one needs to like it all. I never made it to the end of MS Marvel, and I didn't really care for the Eternals. But there are people who love these titles, and why would I need to piss in their oatmeal?
It's not all about me, and it's not all about you either, champ!
@@darkrl591 Give it a rest. Unlike real people, not everything a fictional character says needs to be taken as literal truth.
So well put, amazing!!!!
I find it perplexing that the idea of "strong female characters" is really becoming "violent and domineering female characters" giving women trates that used to be given to men isn't empowering.
I loved queen amidala (specifically in clone wars the animated series) as a leader who had conviction and tact. She was still flawed and that was ok. Same with princess Leia, while she did engage in warfare, it wasn't her primary characteristic. She was a leader who had conviction and strength. She earned her admiration. I could go on with other examples such as Hermione from Harry Potter, princess bubblegum from adventure Time, Lisa from the Simpsons and more. Those are characters who have, through perseverance and character building, became strong.
When any character has specific traits such as violent or related to war, it should be done with justifiable reason. For example Sarah Connor in Terminator 2, or the bride in kill Bill, have justifiable characteristics yet are extremely violent. It's circumstantial just like in the movie Alien.
Any character whether male or female, should be written with relatability and not to just pander. It ends up becoming insincere and transparent. The goal should be strong characters, that is all.
Anyone else getting mad at these studios, knowing how many amazing stories there are out there which don't get approved, and these pieces or garbage do.
Can feel you brother 🥲
happens everywhere in every other industry, believe me
I’ve recently read The God Butcher Omnibus. Gorr is such a nuanced character, who ultimately becomes the thing he hates the most. He’s a Thanos level villain in terms of his motivations and what he wants to achieve.
The MCU reduced him to an almost nothing character with very little screen time. He also only kills one god, whereas in the source material he kills thousands. I would love to see a Marvel movie that did Gorr properly. But it would require an 18 Certificate, and I can’t see Disney going in for that.
Hands down the best commentary on Marvel phase 4 I have heard to date. I miss when movies provided us with great stories instead of forcing agendas down everyone’s throats. Thanks for your great content.
@mainstreamtube Yep, these "writers" are being told what to push.
Yeah most commentators just kinda insult Marvel Phase 4 and don't get to the point but this video got to the point perfectly
And it was done by a woman . It’s a beautiful video
@@scratchpenny They seem proud of this garbage.. and use racism when we HATE THE CRAP! They are delusional!
The BEST VIDEO YET! I am a woman and I ABSOLUTELY HATE THE WOMEN CRAP…. HATE IT.. because I am not a pathetic delusional person who NEEDS TO SEE WOMEN DESTROY MY FAVOURITE MARVEL HEROES AND I LIKE MEN! This makes me sick to my stomach because now women and different races are being TREATED LIKE CHILDREN AND SPOON FED STUFF JUST TO SHUT THE CRYING AND WHINGING UP and RUINING MARVEL!
your end message was absolutely perfect. amazing video.
Girl your videos are so spot on and also thought provoking.