My Hifiman Edition XS are my best sounding, but i listen to my Beyers more due to comfort…… I have 880 Premium, 900 Pro X and 770 Pro X LE. Beyers can be on my head for hours without discomfort. Thanks for your review……
WOW, you seem very "tepid" towards Beyerdynamic headphones in general! I just bought the DT 880 250 Ohm Premiums, and LOVE THEM for jazz and classical music! I plan on buying either The asgard 3 or Gilmore Lite amplifiers. I know have the Liquid Spark which sounds quite nice.
Yeah, that’s accurate. I’ve tried a lot of headphones and these beyers are not terrible, but not great either, but they are all comfortable. I’ve never tried the 250 ohm dt880 because everyone says the 600 ohm version is better. There are cheaper headphones that are technically outperforming dt880 600 ohm in several categories, but I can see how someone might prefer dt880.
dt900prox doesnt sound that good ? i checked your reviews and replies and im quite (shocked) about your "taste" in sound. Idk , i know there is many people out there with different preferences but in past 20 years i tried many headphones, i have had everything popular on my head, i own some pieces i bought decades ago. I got my hands on dt900prox and it blew my mind how good (different from old beyers) they are. Many popular reviewers and many of my friends who are into music agree they sound incredibly good. What is your preference in this price range as "very good headphone which sounds good" ? Im quite curious because im sure i have had it on my head but based on your reviews and comments i cant really make my mind what you like or prefer.
At this price range there is always going to be some sort of sacrifice. For dt900prox it’s just has less than average technical ability, but probably the best comfort in this price range . He400se with a strong amp is a decent choice for music but not gaming. Verum1 is a decent fun headphone. R70x is a decent choice but lacks bass. XS is a bit more expensive but worth it imo. Hd650bs is a good option, Hd540gold 600 ohm.
As soon as you said you don't like any of them my first thought was, Oh this is a legit review! Looking for some premium wired bass canons under $400 coming from skull crushers.
You skipped the 880 for gaming :( I'm using them right now and I wanted to compare it to the others, Thanks for making the video!! Edit: Read your reply to another comment about the DT880.
I personally don’t like 880 600 ohm for gaming because the soundstage is mostly left to right. With HRTF on this usually isn’t a big problem though. I prefer 300r over 880 for gaming and 990 600 ohm over 300r…. And even my blended 990 pro more than 880 for gaming (at low volume levels only)
I love Beyer and Senn headphones a lot. Had or extensively tried nearly every model. From the Senn's kept the 560s and the 800s, from the Beyer's the 770, 880 and the 1990 but recently I discovered the 177x Go since I needed a decent close-back w/ more umph in the lows. Yes, it is close-back but its stage is impressive, beating lots of open-backs. I run the Beyers and other power hungry headphones from Burson Soloist 3XP and iFi Pro iDSD, and find the chain pretty high end.
My favorite senns are hd650 black silk, hd540 gold 600 ohms with the original velour pads and hd800 (not hd800s). 650bs on bottlehead crack and the other two headphones need a lot of power. I got rid of all of my closed backs, and switched to IEMs. Closed backs just have too many problems.
I used Sennheisers many years. At one point it broke and I wanted the same one as I knew it. Went to a shop and they had my model but also Beyerdynamic which I hadn't used till then. I decided to compare them. I immediately understood why my mixes sounded bad when using the sennheizer. Imo the Beyerdynamics are generally much more neutral and balanced. Sure, by now Sennheiser probably has better models as well. But I am sold to BD. I have the DT770 Pro, the DT1770 Pro and the DT1990. I also have an Audio Technica ATH M50x which I also love for that price. ANd I obtained a shure from a friend of mine who sadly passed away. While not a bad headphone, it's the least good of all.
I mostly play EFT, as well as a variety of games including league, valorant, siege, cs etc... but Tarkov primarily the most. Stuck between 300r and 990 600ohm. Do you have any suggestions?
I curently use the 880 250 ohms on an upper middle class denon A/B class stereo amp. what would you recomend to upgrade from that on? and also first the headphones or the amp? i kinda tweaked the hell out of that combination, did put a lot bass on and variable loudness and some treble so it doesnt sound so linear and more warm and a bit dirty which for me ads some character to the songs i listen to. i find the 880 a bit sharp in the highs sometimes but not too bad i guess.. so yeah maybe let me know what u think about that.. what would you recomend.. like maybe in a couple different price points or like what u think i needed to spend minimum to get something better and not just something different xD
I think all of the buyers have a bit too much treble. It all kinda depends what you want to spend and the type of sound you like. Hifiman XS is one of the easiest to recommend for me, because it’s tuned decently well and technically beats most things cheaper than it. And it’s priced pretty well. Around $380 right now. But if you are looking for something darker sounding then i would look elsewhere. The biggest complaint I would have for XS is it sounds a little thin. But not many things in that price range can do it all.
thankx :) yeah i want some bass. else than the 880 i use a sony whx1000mk3 which definitly has a lo of bass, but therefore not that much clearity or soundstage obiously xD but nevertheless i think like i EQ´d the 880 it definitly playes deep just not brutally bassy..but i like the acurate deep bass. does the hifiman xs offer the sameamount or maybe a bit more bass?@@nyvoreviews5443
Depends on preferences a bit, but Hifiman XS is good, except kinda thin on vocals. 400se with a strong amp, or hd650bs if you want a dynamic driver. Hd540gold 600 ohm with velour pads is harder to find but another option.
@@nyvoreviews5443 thanks for the quick reply, I have the DT 770, 880, 990 and 700 pro, the hifinan HE4xx (I don’t know how they compare to the one you mentioned and I have the HD6xx. I’m actually looking at the Hifiman XS - nervous about the slight boost in highs. I now mainly listen to jazz and get super tired of cymbals with headphones like the dt770 it’s unbearable:/ is there different versions of the XS? I found a fairly cheap version but wondering if it’s an old model?!
@@pierreg8562 IMO the treble on XS isn’t that bad and you sort of adjust to it after a few days, but if you are sure that you don’t want that, I would recommend the hd540 gold 600 ohm with velour pads for jazz. It’s a bit hard to find (especially the original velour pads) but the best of the headphones I mentioned for jazz. Another (worse) alternative is hd580, it has some air frequencies but somehow it is presented in a soft manner.
@@nyvoreviews5443 i've had the XS for 24 hours the sound is amazing, another level vs every headphone i own. Cans are too big for my head though - let's see overtime how i feel. Build quality isn't impressive either, my feeling is they will not last long sadly.
Hey, I've been testing some headphones for gaming and so far DT 880 (600) was one of the best for imaging (shooters) but it was not good enough for more immersive stuff. You didn't really mention them for gaming, how they are compared to DT 990? Or maybe you can suggest other headphones for that? Thanks
Dt880 has less forward stage so it will only work well imo for games that have a good hrtf mode. Both dt990’s are better for gaming, but dt990 250 ohm has unlistenable treble at my normal listening volume which is relatively loud, and dt990 600 ohm also has a treble peak but not as bad as the 250 ohm and a little worse than dt880. But dt990 600 ohm is much better for gaming and pairs well with valhalla 2.
@@nyvoreviews5443 looking for new headphones..desktop gaming and music. my dac and amp is topping e30 and l30, is this enough for 600ohm phones. what would you recommend. `bright` is not a problem
You cannot imagine how much I'm confused about this comparison! Especially when it comes to choosing between dt 880 (all editions) and dt 700/900 pro x and dt 770 pro. I used to use Sennheiser hd 380 pro for my video editing and video sound mixing and I was satisfied with the flatness and unbiased sound (after a while I realized that it was not as unbiased as I thought!) so I decided to switch to a new headphone for my editing (consistent bass and a bit warm, bright at mids and not sharp or airy at treble) and now this is my big question: what is the right pick under 350$ ?
Dt880 is probably your answer if you want to stick with Beyerdynamic but the treble is on the brighter side for all beyerdynamics. You might want to consider r70x or hd560s (strong clamp force), or Koss kph30i clear.
@@nyvoreviews5443 Thank you. And what headphone (Senns, AKGs, etc) would you suggest under 350 in term of resolution, instrument seperation and soundstage?
@@mohammadreza.t. verum1 is probably the best in that price range for stage. 2nd is probably r70x (with a little bit better separation than verum1), 3rd is probably hd700 (but tonality is not so good)… dt990 600ohm is about as good as hd700 for stage, with less tonality problems.
i'm gonna buy the tygr's for mixing and mastering! i know, the're for "gaming".....but, due to previous beyer's being so out-of-tune i must conclude that their gaming headphone must really be for the studio!! 😆
Nice review bro. I have the t1 gen 1 running through dv336se and sune x7s. I was planning to buy a dt 990 600 ohm for gaming and slightly more bass impact. Is it worth over the t1??
I’ve never heard Gen 1 T1. Only gen 2 t1…. Supposedly gen1 t1 is the good one so I have no clue…. I didn’t like gen2 Dv336e tends to make things sound very wide left to right (from what I’ve tried), with not much stage in front (except for k702) so hard to say what will be better…. Because I haven’t tried it. The dt990 600 ohm with valhalla 2 has nice imaging and a nicely shaped soundstage, although the stage is small compared to things like hd800 on a good chain…. For gaming you can easily be at an audio advantage over 98% of gamers with dt990 600ohm and valhalla 2
are the DT 900 PROX worth getting over the DT 880 PRO? since i already use much better headphones like R70X and Hifiman Anada nano. just wondering the difference between 900 prox and 880 pro for gaming
@@nyvoreviews5443 Thanks for replying, have you ever tried the PC38X or the 560S? How do them compare to the tygr? Because those two I see a lot on reviews and recommendations, or do you recommend anything else around the same price point? I really want to nail it, because i have a gsp 550 and a hyperx and they sound like shit, so I really want someting good
@@eduardogonzalezparra2681 yeah I have. I gave pc-38x a bad review here in this channel. It’s hard to go wrong with Hifiman Edition XS. It’s the best bang for the buck headphone right now. The cheaper bang for the buck option is he400se, but 400se stage isn’t that good. XS stage is small but it makes very good use of the stage so it is not a problem.
which one would you suggest for non-competitive gaming for immersion, impact and with a cinematic experience in mind? O own the TYGR since yesterday, they sound very good, but I'm considering replacing them with the 1990 PRO. However I'm a little torn as I heard that they're more neutral, less bassy and might be a better pick for music mastering than entertainment. Would you agree?
Was nice to watch this thanks for giving your thoughts. I sold my dt1990 some time back due to this sibilance. Never thought id look at beyers again but today i picked up a 2nd hand tygr on ebay so nice to see you picked it 2nd and music had a mention.
@@nyvoreviews5443 Out of the box i didn't like it. Bass was bloated and too much treble making it sound fake for music and any footsteps easily got washed out in fps games. I have made an eq preset which overall took a good day but wow what an headphone it has a nice tonal balance across the range and spectacular imaging. The headphone is very technically capable but with removing some of that mid bass, increase in vocals and slight decrease in the treble and it sounds amazing. Lows nice, tight and defined with mids that shine and plenty of detail. Best bass iv heard on an open back it competes with my shure 1540. I could never eq the excessive treble out from the dt1990 and the bass would distort if turned up too loud and in my opinion the tygr with the above improvements is a better headphone all round plus much lighter. Same again for gaming dolby atmos headphone has customisable eq. Really happy to think such cheap headphones can sound so expensive.
Thanks for the brief overview! You mentioned several times that you would not pick any of them for music listening anymore because there are better options. I quite like my DT 880 600 Ohm on my tube amp(s), but am really curious which headphones you would prefer nowadays in a price range up to 500 Dollars :)
@@nyvoreviews5443 Hey there, I have a SoundblasterX G6 and I wanted a great pair of all-round headphones to pair it with. I'm extremely confused between the Fidelio X2HR and TYGR 300R, I don't know which one to choose so I was hoping that you could help me. Here are my requirements: First of all, I don't care about competitive gaming (multiplayer/online fps) at all. I only play single player, story-based games (like God of War, Red Dead 2 etc) and I also like watching movies as well. So basically, what I'm looking for is *IMMERSION* above all else. Any advice?
@@nyvoreviews5443 For 990 pro x or tygr fiio K7 it will be a hugely difference than ifi dac air? Worth to pay? Or maybe K7 with Hifiman XS will be the best choice?
@@falconerri XS is easily the best choice, I haven’t heard k7 so not 100% sure but my guess would be the tygr would win. 990 pro x is very comfortable though
I have the ifi zen dac and amp. I only play fps competitive. Which headphone would be best for footsteps. I just upgraded from steel series arctis pro to the dt 900 pro x. It's my first pair of open back. Big upgrade. But now I'm looking for a better headphone.
Dt990 600ohm, but I like it better on valhalla 2. It’s the best headphone of the bunch for footsteps. If it doesn’t have to be beyer then Hifiman Edition XS.
So I am upgrading from the Phillips SHP9500 and I need a headset that is good for footsteps, I mainly plays Siege, Valorant, COD, and CS:GO. Which one would be better for that, the DT 990 250ohm or the Tygr 300r? I should note I will be pairing whichever headphone I get with a Soundblaster g6
The main difference is the volume level you are able to listen to them at before your ears bleed. If you usually use a lower volume level then you can do dt990 250 ohm (but if you watch my video on that one I put one in a blender because the treble is way too strong) . Tygr 300r is a safer choice, but dt990 600ohm with valhalla2 is even better.
what do you think about the 1990 pro for fps gaming ? i got them and i am worried i should have got 900 pro x instead. i paid hefty amount for them. do you think i made a bad decision? i still have time to return
Neither one is good for competitive gaming imo. Ksc75 honestly better than both for gaming when amped. But dt990 600 ohm with valhalla2 is all anyone ever really needs for gaming (but it can improve more from there from other brands). Going beyond that is more about the experience rather than a true competitive advantage…however they do get a lot better
I didn’t like it enough to fully review it. It’s too far from good. I’ve already had them modded, and will likely do a modded Olina vs modded z12 review sometime soon, Hint, I prefer modded Olina.
Love your comparison videos earned a sub! I have the Tygr 300r as my first quality headphone for a year and a half now, been looking to upgrade. This is paired with an Apple Dac. I mainly play Valorant and listen to R&B, Pop, & Rap. So imaging, soundstage, non-shrill, build, and comfort are my priorities. You mentioned the Hifiman XS, how does the XS compare to the Ananda Stealth? B stock going for $400 and $500 respectively, so really close in price. If other options are better too feel free to recommend. Let me know if the suggestion would also require a new dac or amp.
@@jonathantran5821 thanks for the sub. 560s I would consider a slight downgrade for gaming vs Tygr300r. I would consider pc38x a bigger downgrade than 560s vs 300r for gaming. I haven’t heard ananda stealth. I had the original ananda, and I currently have the cryo version of ananda. XS is a better headphone than Tygr300r is several categories, the main difference is the stage shape is a different style than 300r, so it’s not in front of your head the same way it is on 300r, but since there are so many increments of imaging and the stage does not bend in weird ways (for me), it is completely acceptable for gaming. It won’t but a huge upgrade for gaming over 300r, but for music it will. You will need a better amp though, it’s a little bit more appreciative of a powerful amp than 300r is. The original Ananda is like 560s but better on every way.
What would you recommend for Monitoring, Production and Gaming? I'm doing all that stuff and all of that are important for me, and I don't like changing headphones too often, cause I switch my activity pretty often during the day. Would tygr serve fine for that ?
Doing all three things means it will be a master of none. If it needs to be a beyer, then I think I would go for dt990 600 ohm with valhalla 2, or dt1990pro (i guuueesss) Tygr is not really good at all 3, it’s mostly decent at gaming. If it doesn’t have to be beyer, but needs to be somewhere around this price range, I would consider Stax Lambda pro but they might be annoying on your ears after long periods. , if it needs to be new then hmm. XS is pretty good but could use a tad more detail, I’m curious about ananda nano and arya organic but I haven’t heard them yet. Ideally I would just use speaker monitors for monitoring.
Cool to see this. Thoughts on added audio delay when using external dacs? I remember battlenonsense making a video about this years ago where the conclusion was that using an external dac introduced something in the neighborhood of 20ms+, depending on the dac. Through that logic I'd guess that purely for gaming using an internal soundcard & low impedence headphones ie tygr 300r would make more sense...
It varies from Dac to Dac. There are many external dacs that have very low delay. Do you have a DAC in mind? Out of my audio friends, i was the first to point out audio delay. It was really bad on the Denafrips Ares 2, and i let everyone know about it (because i'm a pro/semi-pro gamer), my DJ friend also said the delay was an issue for him as well.
@@nyvoreviews5443 Not specifically; from my limited understanding currently using any dac other than onboard introduces relatively significant additional delay unless the game supports asio drivers, which very, very few games do (rocksmith from the top of my head and a couple obscure konami games). It's the entire reason I've avoided higher impedence headphones for gaming use the last couple of years, though unfortunately I do feel a lot of the lower impedence headphone offerings still benefit from using an amp... Realistically speaking for casual shooters and such 20ms is not a big deal but I'd guess that even with the improved clarity a dac can offer pro/semi-pro gamers would be better off not having to play around this additional delay, at least theoretically. If there's a dac out there that cuts the additional delay down to somewhere
@@nyvoreviews5443 Do you know of a site or someone that measures latency of dacs objectively? I'm barely seeing anything through google regarding dacs and latencies combined with specifically gaming other than the battlenonsense video we got in 2020 showcasing the issue I mentioned.
@@m.m.x.4244 no. Even my measurements are from using a TH-cam video called audio/video sync test and then closing my eyes and manual clicking my pause button when I expect the next click to happen.
@@nyvoreviews5443 it actually sounds pretty clear and loud, my only complaint is random static sounds when pauses audio or videos. I have that and the jds labs atom stack
Me personally. Probably tygr, but it depends on use case and preferences. 560s has a tighter clamp force, it doesn’t stage in front as much, but the frequency response is smooth. Tygr has a more comfortably fit, the pads wear out faster and cost more, the stage is larger but the frequency response is a bit more wonky, and is overall more fun sounding where 560s is more neutral.
@@nyvoreviews5443 Thanks for the answer! I'm looking for a pair mainly for gaming, specifically competitive FPS, occasional music. My first good pair of cans were the DT990 250ohm, thought they sounded fantastic but had nothing serious to compare them with. Plugged straight to the mother board sound card, S1220 chip. I now have the Cloud Flight S, wireless and closed back. They are okay but i want that open back, natural sound again. So would you think a DAC is needed or the S1220 chip should be fine? There is no coil wine, static noise or anything like that when plugged into the mobo.
@@danut05 one of my first videos was putting a dt990 250 ohm in a blender. The treble is way to high on it. But it is good for low volume level gaming. To get a real upgrade for competitive fps gaming, you may want to look into audio technica r70x. I have no way to really judge your motherboard so I can’t say for sure.
@@mikebak6048 tbh, I doubt the rodecaster pro will cut it. Part of the reason it needs valhalla is because it helps tame the treble down. Also 600ohms is a fairly hard to drive headphone.
i bought 900 simply no headphone at its price point did what i wanted and met the conditions, not only not at its price point, but even 100 to 150 more expensive ones didnt, and these are the conditions, being only 240 at price, being on the limit of not needing an amp and dac, approved comfort, approved quality control, detatchable cable, being for general use, i wanna game, music, watch movies and i want to scratch the world of high end audio gear but not get too deep in it, by spending more than 300 or 400 and i definitely dont want dacs and amps and busy stuff lying around on my table, just something casual for my casual non audiofile ears to just plug into my laptop or phone to listen to.
if anyone has any other options that challenge it, let me know, if there really was a better option, i can still return these and buy that option, and ill be thankful if someone gives me a better option.
@@nyvoreviews5443 which one do you recommend more for music? 560s or DT-900 pro X? because most reviews i saw preferred the 900 pro X, specially in bass and music enjoyment. also, id be thankful if you can introduce to me alternatives for the bracket price of 200 to 400 that is good for music, watching movies and gaming(pretty much general use)
@@allenalphonse4962 verum1 is the first one that comes to mind. It’s main issue is the bass has a resonant frequency so there is one particular note that is emphasized in the bass. But other than that it’s a solid choice. r70x is good except might be considered boring. And to me it lacked bass. 400se is better than 560s and 900 pro x but it doesn’t stage in front. Hifiman XS is pretty dang good
@@nyvoreviews5443 verum 1 wouldve been great if they worked for more than a year or even 6 months without an issue, if r70x is more neutral than 900 pro x then i surely wont enjoy it, i want some elevation in base, and the hifimans have ridiculous amounts of bad reviews and QC complaints, and the 900 pro x are durable plus 6-7 years investments, also about the xs, not buying amp/dac wont do it justice. plus its double the price without an amp/dac investment
@@nyvoreviews5443 Both music and gaming. Genre wise mostly rap & Hip Hop (bass heavy). This is essentially to become my daily driver/everyman headphone. I don't need something that's pinpoint accurate but a nice detailed sound and a wide sound stage would be great
@@maxwhittaker1175 I wouldn’t say any of them are bass heavy. If I had to pick one of these I would pick tygr 300 r and zen AIR dac (since you don’t need balanced for beyers) An upgrade from here would be Hifiman XS
So what would be your ultimate pick for music in this price range? Just ordered the Hifiman HE400se, because its 50 bucks cheaper and planar... Tried the HD560s but sadly, my head is too big for them, they dont sit right. But I found them also quite boring, looking into something with more of a V shape, I think
@@nyvoreviews5443 they are 400€ where I am, 300€ more ;D but thanks for the quick response. Would you say the HE400se are better then all those Beyerdynamics shown? never tried one, too scared of this infamous treble
@@iElephant24yes. If you compare them side by side, as long as the 400se is amped well it beats all of the beyers, but the stage type is only left to right which some people don’t like (including me).
@@nyvoreviews5443 Alright thanks! But I dont know what you mean by stage type "left to right". They have no sound stage, as in surround sound? I thought the sound stage should be amazing just because they are open back
@@iElephant24there are lots of different types of stage shapes for headphones. Until you experience them it’s difficult to convey what it is really like. 400se when amped well can stage probably a lot larger than whatever you are used to. But when I say left to right I mean it doesn’t seem like sound are in front of your face. With 560s they barely stage slightly in front of your face but aren’t as wide left to right. It will be easier to communicate the differences after you have tried a couple more headphones.
I have the dt900 600ohm. I’ve been using it with modi multibit and sh-9. I’m thinking about getting the Valhalla 2 but the new lyr 3+ fusion looks like a better buy. Thoughts? And will you be getting the new schiit lyr 3+ fusion in for review?
I wasn’t planning on getting the lyr3+ because I have a bottlehead crack. But I have heard good things about lyr3+ but don’t know how they pair with beyers.
@@mtnmankeith9069 I would say the dt990 600 ohm on valhalla is I’ll not a bit more immersive. XS will also be good too, but the stage won’t wrap around in front of you as much, which some people would say is less immersive. dt990 600 ohm and valhalla2 is slightly better for competitive FPS gaming. XS is the better overall headphone though (music Included).
Tip: say the name of the product, instead of “this one”
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learn to read! all these hp's have the name written on them.
My Hifiman Edition XS are my best sounding, but i listen to my Beyers more due to comfort…… I have 880 Premium, 900 Pro X and 770 Pro X LE. Beyers can be on my head for hours without discomfort. Thanks for your review……
@@Themanthatisi Yeap that sounds about right. Thanks for listening.
WOW, you seem very "tepid" towards Beyerdynamic headphones in general! I just bought the DT 880 250 Ohm Premiums, and LOVE THEM for jazz and classical music! I plan on buying either The asgard 3 or Gilmore Lite amplifiers. I know have the Liquid Spark which sounds quite nice.
Yeah, that’s accurate. I’ve tried a lot of headphones and these beyers are not terrible, but not great either, but they are all comfortable. I’ve never tried the 250 ohm dt880 because everyone says the 600 ohm version is better. There are cheaper headphones that are technically outperforming dt880 600 ohm in several categories, but I can see how someone might prefer dt880.
@@nyvoreviews5443 can you give some examples of cheaper ones that can outperform dt 880 ?
400se for sure with an amp, and arguably k612
dt900prox doesnt sound that good ? i checked your reviews and replies and im quite (shocked) about your "taste" in sound. Idk , i know there is many people out there with different preferences but in past 20 years i tried many headphones, i have had everything popular on my head, i own some pieces i bought decades ago. I got my hands on dt900prox and it blew my mind how good (different from old beyers) they are. Many popular reviewers and many of my friends who are into music agree they sound incredibly good. What is your preference in this price range as "very good headphone which sounds good" ? Im quite curious because im sure i have had it on my head but based on your reviews and comments i cant really make my mind what you like or prefer.
At this price range there is always going to be some sort of sacrifice.
For dt900prox it’s just has less than average technical ability, but probably the best comfort in this price range .
He400se with a strong amp is a decent choice for music but not gaming.
Verum1 is a decent fun headphone.
R70x is a decent choice but lacks bass. XS is a bit more expensive but worth it imo.
Hd650bs is a good option,
Hd540gold 600 ohm.
As soon as you said you don't like any of them my first thought was, Oh this is a legit review! Looking for some premium wired bass canons under $400 coming from skull crushers.
Between tygr and dt880pro which is better just for listening and enjoying with smooth sound
Never heard 880 pro. This is 880 600 ohm and it is better but it needs a powerful amp.
You skipped the 880 for gaming :( I'm using them right now and I wanted to compare it to the others, Thanks for making the video!!
Edit: Read your reply to another comment about the DT880.
I personally don’t like 880 600 ohm for gaming because the soundstage is mostly left to right. With HRTF on this usually isn’t a big problem though. I prefer 300r over 880 for gaming and 990 600 ohm over 300r…. And even my blended 990 pro more than 880 for gaming (at low volume levels only)
I love Beyer and Senn headphones a lot. Had or extensively tried nearly every model. From the Senn's kept the 560s and the 800s, from the Beyer's the 770, 880 and the 1990 but recently I discovered the 177x Go since I needed a decent close-back w/ more umph in the lows. Yes, it is close-back but its stage is impressive, beating lots of open-backs. I run the Beyers and other power hungry headphones from Burson Soloist 3XP and iFi Pro iDSD, and find the chain pretty high end.
My favorite senns are hd650 black silk, hd540 gold 600 ohms with the original velour pads and hd800 (not hd800s). 650bs on bottlehead crack and the other two headphones need a lot of power.
I got rid of all of my closed backs, and switched to IEMs. Closed backs just have too many problems.
I used Sennheisers many years. At one point it broke and I wanted the same one as I knew it. Went to a shop and they had my model but also Beyerdynamic which I hadn't used till then. I decided to compare them. I immediately understood why my mixes sounded bad when using the sennheizer. Imo the Beyerdynamics are generally much more neutral and balanced. Sure, by now Sennheiser probably has better models as well. But I am sold to BD. I have the DT770 Pro, the DT1770 Pro and the DT1990. I also have an Audio Technica ATH M50x which I also love for that price. ANd I obtained a shure from a friend of mine who sadly passed away. While not a bad headphone, it's the least good of all.
I mostly play EFT, as well as a variety of games including league, valorant, siege, cs etc... but Tarkov primarily the most. Stuck between 300r and 990 600ohm. Do you have any suggestions?
If you can afford it with the valhalla 2 then def get the 990 600ohm. It’s a sizeable advantage over most gamers.
I curently use the 880 250 ohms on an upper middle class denon A/B class stereo amp. what would you recomend to upgrade from that on? and also first the headphones or the amp? i kinda tweaked the hell out of that combination, did put a lot bass on and variable loudness and some treble so it doesnt sound so linear and more warm and a bit dirty which for me ads some character to the songs i listen to. i find the 880 a bit sharp in the highs sometimes but not too bad i guess.. so yeah maybe let me know what u think about that.. what would you recomend.. like maybe in a couple different price points or like what u think i needed to spend minimum to get something better and not just something different xD
I think all of the buyers have a bit too much treble. It all kinda depends what you want to spend and the type of sound you like. Hifiman XS is one of the easiest to recommend for me, because it’s tuned decently well and technically beats most things cheaper than it. And it’s priced pretty well. Around $380 right now.
But if you are looking for something darker sounding then i would look elsewhere. The biggest complaint I would have for XS is it sounds a little thin. But not many things in that price range can do it all.
thankx :)
yeah i want some bass. else than the 880 i use a sony whx1000mk3 which definitly has a lo of bass, but therefore not that much clearity or soundstage obiously xD but nevertheless i think like i EQ´d the 880 it definitly playes deep just not brutally bassy..but i like the acurate deep bass. does the hifiman xs offer the sameamount or maybe a bit more bass?@@nyvoreviews5443
So for music which alternative would you recommend? (Since you said none of them are good)
Depends on preferences a bit, but Hifiman XS is good, except kinda thin on vocals. 400se with a strong amp, or hd650bs if you want a dynamic driver. Hd540gold 600 ohm with velour pads is harder to find but another option.
@@nyvoreviews5443 thanks for the quick reply, I have the DT 770, 880, 990 and 700 pro, the hifinan HE4xx (I don’t know how they compare to the one you mentioned and I have the HD6xx. I’m actually looking at the Hifiman XS - nervous about the slight boost in highs. I now mainly listen to jazz and get super tired of cymbals with headphones like the dt770 it’s unbearable:/ is there different versions of the XS? I found a fairly cheap version but wondering if it’s an old model?!
@@pierreg8562 IMO the treble on XS isn’t that bad and you sort of adjust to it after a few days, but if you are sure that you don’t want that, I would recommend the hd540 gold 600 ohm with velour pads for jazz. It’s a bit hard to find (especially the original velour pads) but the best of the headphones I mentioned for jazz. Another (worse) alternative is hd580, it has some air frequencies but somehow it is presented in a soft manner.
@@nyvoreviews5443 i've had the XS for 24 hours the sound is amazing, another level vs every headphone i own. Cans are too big for my head though - let's see overtime how i feel. Build quality isn't impressive either, my feeling is they will not last long sadly.
Tygr 300r with the Schiit Fulla 3 is incredible.
I’ve been hearing several good things about fulla3 from a number of people.
Hey, I've been testing some headphones for gaming and so far DT 880 (600) was one of the best for imaging (shooters) but it was not good enough for more immersive stuff. You didn't really mention them for gaming, how they are compared to DT 990? Or maybe you can suggest other headphones for that? Thanks
Dt880 has less forward stage so it will only work well imo for games that have a good hrtf mode. Both dt990’s are better for gaming, but dt990 250 ohm has unlistenable treble at my normal listening volume which is relatively loud, and dt990 600 ohm also has a treble peak but not as bad as the 250 ohm and a little worse than dt880. But dt990 600 ohm is much better for gaming and pairs well with valhalla 2.
@@nyvoreviews5443 looking for new headphones..desktop gaming and music. my dac and amp is topping e30 and l30, is this enough for 600ohm phones. what would you recommend. `bright` is not a problem
You cannot imagine how much I'm confused about this comparison! Especially when it comes to choosing between dt 880 (all editions) and dt 700/900 pro x and dt 770 pro. I used to use Sennheiser hd 380 pro for my video editing and video sound mixing and I was satisfied with the flatness and unbiased sound (after a while I realized that it was not as unbiased as I thought!) so I decided to switch to a new headphone for my editing (consistent bass and a bit warm, bright at mids and not sharp or airy at treble) and now this is my big question: what is the right pick under 350$ ?
Dt880 is probably your answer if you want to stick with Beyerdynamic but the treble is on the brighter side for all beyerdynamics. You might want to consider r70x or hd560s (strong clamp force), or Koss kph30i clear.
yeah this guy threw me?
@@GeorgeAmodei21 what do you want to know?
@@nyvoreviews5443 Thank you. And what headphone (Senns, AKGs, etc) would you suggest under 350 in term of resolution, instrument seperation and soundstage?
@@mohammadreza.t. verum1 is probably the best in that price range for stage. 2nd is probably r70x (with a little bit better separation than verum1), 3rd is probably hd700 (but tonality is not so good)… dt990 600ohm is about as good as hd700 for stage, with less tonality problems.
i'm gonna buy the tygr's for mixing and mastering!
i know, the're for "gaming".....but, due to previous beyer's being so out-of-tune i must conclude that their gaming headphone must really be for the studio!! 😆
Haha 😂 I’d really only buy them for winter comfort or budget gaming.
@@nyvoreviews5443 point taken. i suppose i could just detach the ear-cups from the yokes and use them to wash my windows!
@@h-dawg6462 I’m gunna get like 80 of them and fill up my pillow case
@@nyvoreviews5443 nah, i don't believe you 😄
What is your favorite headphone for gaming out of your collection? And dac/amp you prefer?
Holo May + ahb2 + Hifiman Susvara is a solid choice
Nice review bro. I have the t1 gen 1 running through dv336se and sune x7s. I was planning to buy a dt 990 600 ohm for gaming and slightly more bass impact. Is it worth over the t1??
I’ve never heard Gen 1 T1. Only gen 2 t1…. Supposedly gen1 t1 is the good one so I have no clue…. I didn’t like gen2
Dv336e tends to make things sound very wide left to right (from what I’ve tried), with not much stage in front (except for k702) so hard to say what will be better…. Because I haven’t tried it.
The dt990 600 ohm with valhalla 2 has nice imaging and a nicely shaped soundstage, although the stage is small compared to things like hd800 on a good chain…. For gaming you can easily be at an audio advantage over 98% of gamers with dt990 600ohm and valhalla 2
are the DT 900 PROX worth getting over the DT 880 PRO? since i already use much better headphones like R70X and Hifiman Anada nano. just wondering the difference between 900 prox and 880 pro for gaming
Heck no. Don’t even waste your time with it. Big downgrade.
@@nyvoreviews5443 LOL everyone is saying something different. Most saying better soundstage ?
@@a2raya772or f around and find out.
@@nyvoreviews5443 I guess no point since R70x are better
@@a2raya772r70x stage is way better
Ec7 with tygr for Fortnite qed extension cable
Cool video. For rainbow six and a little of valorant, what would be your choice?, I'm deciding between tygr, dt990 80 ohms and maybe dt 900
Tygr 300r + iFi zen air dac.
@@nyvoreviews5443 Thanks for replying, have you ever tried the PC38X or the 560S? How do them compare to the tygr? Because those two I see a lot on reviews and recommendations, or do you recommend anything else around the same price point?
I really want to nail it, because i have a gsp 550 and a hyperx and they sound like shit, so I really want someting good
@@eduardogonzalezparra2681 yeah I have. I gave pc-38x a bad review here in this channel. It’s hard to go wrong with Hifiman Edition XS. It’s the best bang for the buck headphone right now. The cheaper bang for the buck option is he400se, but 400se stage isn’t that good. XS stage is small but it makes very good use of the stage so it is not a problem.
which one would you suggest for non-competitive gaming for immersion, impact and with a cinematic experience in mind? O own the TYGR since yesterday, they sound very good, but I'm considering replacing them with the 1990 PRO. However I'm a little torn as I heard that they're more neutral, less bassy and might be a better pick for music mastering than entertainment. Would you agree?
Yea, completely agree.
@@nyvoreviews5443 yeah, then I'll be staying with the TYGRs and Edifier H880 as a second pair. Thank you.
Was nice to watch this thanks for giving your thoughts.
I sold my dt1990 some time back due to this sibilance.
Never thought id look at beyers again but today i picked up a 2nd hand tygr on ebay so nice to see you picked it 2nd and music had a mention.
Good choice for the price
@@nyvoreviews5443 For only 70.00 absolutely.
What do you think of 300r so far?
@@nyvoreviews5443 Out of the box i didn't like it. Bass was bloated and too much treble making it sound fake for music and any footsteps easily got washed out in fps games.
I have made an eq preset which overall took a good day but wow what an headphone it has a nice tonal balance across the range and spectacular imaging.
The headphone is very technically capable but with removing some of that mid bass, increase in vocals and slight decrease in the treble and it sounds amazing.
Lows nice, tight and defined with mids that shine and plenty of detail.
Best bass iv heard on an open back it competes with my shure 1540.
I could never eq the excessive treble out from the dt1990 and the bass would distort if turned up too loud and in my opinion the tygr with the above improvements is a better headphone all round plus much lighter.
Same again for gaming dolby atmos headphone has customisable eq.
Really happy to think such cheap headphones can sound so expensive.
Thanks for the brief overview! You mentioned several times that you would not pick any of them for music listening anymore because there are better options. I quite like my DT 880 600 Ohm on my tube amp(s), but am really curious which headphones you would prefer nowadays in a price range up to 500 Dollars :)
Hifiman edition XS, but not on tubes
@@nyvoreviews5443 Hey there, I have a SoundblasterX G6 and I wanted a great pair of all-round headphones to pair it with. I'm extremely confused between the Fidelio X2HR and TYGR 300R, I don't know which one to choose so I was hoping that you could help me.
Here are my requirements:
First of all, I don't care about competitive gaming (multiplayer/online fps) at all.
I only play single player, story-based games (like God of War, Red Dead 2 etc) and I also like watching movies as well.
So basically, what I'm looking for is *IMMERSION* above all else.
Any advice?
@@princesmith8008 tygr 300 r will be better for that. The next step up is verum 1
@@nyvoreviews5443 How is the soundstage and bass in TYGR 300R??
@@princesmith8008 better than average in its price range
what headphone stands are you using?
Woo audio stands and rooms audio line
For the Tygr 300r’s do you recommend the zen Dac v2 or air more?
Air is fine because 300r is single-ended
@@nyvoreviews5443 thank you very much
@@nyvoreviews5443 For 990 pro x or tygr fiio K7 it will be a hugely difference than ifi dac air? Worth to pay? Or maybe K7 with Hifiman XS will be the best choice?
@@falconerri XS is easily the best choice, I haven’t heard k7 so not 100% sure but my guess would be the tygr would win. 990 pro x is very comfortable though
I have the ifi zen dac and amp. I only play fps competitive. Which headphone would be best for footsteps. I just upgraded from steel series arctis pro to the dt 900 pro x. It's my first pair of open back. Big upgrade. But now I'm looking for a better headphone.
Dt990 600ohm, but I like it better on valhalla 2. It’s the best headphone of the bunch for footsteps.
If it doesn’t have to be beyer then Hifiman Edition XS.
@@nyvoreviews5443 my budget is $600 and I just want the best for that budget. I'm not committed to any brand.
@@toolanddie9789 yeah, just get Hifiman edition XS. It does benefit from an amp as well.
@@nyvoreviews5443 thank you I do have the ifi zen amp as well. I'm still able to return it for the schiit stack if you think it's better.
@@toolanddie9789 magni is not better
So I am upgrading from the Phillips SHP9500 and I need a headset that is good for footsteps, I mainly plays Siege, Valorant, COD, and CS:GO. Which one would be better for that, the DT 990 250ohm or the Tygr 300r?
I should note I will be pairing whichever headphone I get with a Soundblaster g6
The main difference is the volume level you are able to listen to them at before your ears bleed. If you usually use a lower volume level then you can do dt990 250 ohm (but if you watch my video on that one I put one in a blender because the treble is way too strong) . Tygr 300r is a safer choice, but dt990 600ohm with valhalla2 is even better.
what do you think about the 1990 pro for fps gaming ? i got them and i am worried i should have got 900 pro x instead. i paid hefty amount for them. do you think i made a bad decision? i still have time to return
Neither one is good for competitive gaming imo. Ksc75 honestly better than both for gaming when amped. But dt990 600 ohm with valhalla2 is all anyone ever really needs for gaming (but it can improve more from there from other brands).
Going beyond that is more about the experience rather than a true competitive advantage…however they do get a lot better
Hi, will you be doing a complete review of Z12?
I didn’t like it enough to fully review it. It’s too far from good. I’ve already had them modded, and will likely do a modded Olina vs modded z12 review sometime soon, Hint, I prefer modded Olina.
@@nyvoreviews5443 great bro. Is it the same mod done by Micheal Bruce or different? Also when can we expect the video to be uploaded
@@lantern054 yes, Michael Bruce. And not sure when I can upload that, just bought a house so not sure how busy I will be yet.
@@nyvoreviews5443 firstly congratulations 👏. We can wait a bit😉
Love your comparison videos earned a sub! I have the Tygr 300r as my first quality headphone for a year and a half now, been looking to upgrade. This is paired with an Apple Dac. I mainly play Valorant and listen to R&B, Pop, & Rap. So imaging, soundstage, non-shrill, build, and comfort are my priorities. You mentioned the Hifiman XS, how does the XS compare to the Ananda Stealth? B stock going for $400 and $500 respectively, so really close in price. If other options are better too feel free to recommend. Let me know if the suggestion would also require a new dac or amp.
Also sundaras B stock are $200 if those are worthwhile to consider, we could add those to the equation
For reference too, I tried the 560s and PC38X but ended up return/gifting those as they were pretty even with my Tygr to me.
@@jonathantran5821 thanks for the sub. 560s I would consider a slight downgrade for gaming vs Tygr300r. I would consider pc38x a bigger downgrade than 560s vs 300r for gaming.
I haven’t heard ananda stealth. I had the original ananda, and I currently have the cryo version of ananda.
XS is a better headphone than Tygr300r is several categories, the main difference is the stage shape is a different style than 300r, so it’s not in front of your head the same way it is on 300r, but since there are so many increments of imaging and the stage does not bend in weird ways (for me), it is completely acceptable for gaming. It won’t but a huge upgrade for gaming over 300r, but for music it will. You will need a better amp though, it’s a little bit more appreciative of a powerful amp than 300r is.
The original Ananda is like 560s but better on every way.
@@jonathantran5821 Sundara is trash
What would you recommend for Monitoring, Production and Gaming? I'm doing all that stuff and all of that are important for me, and I don't like changing headphones too often, cause I switch my activity pretty often during the day. Would tygr serve fine for that ?
Doing all three things means it will be a master of none. If it needs to be a beyer, then I think I would go for dt990 600 ohm with valhalla 2, or dt1990pro (i guuueesss)
Tygr is not really good at all 3, it’s mostly decent at gaming.
If it doesn’t have to be beyer, but needs to be somewhere around this price range, I would consider Stax Lambda pro but they might be annoying on your ears after long periods. , if it needs to be new then hmm. XS is pretty good but could use a tad more detail, I’m curious about ananda nano and arya organic but I haven’t heard them yet. Ideally I would just use speaker monitors for monitoring.
Thank you point this great video! I plan to buy the 900 pro X to play warzone. Do you advise me to use a DAC? If so, which one do you advise me?
it honestly wont matter that much because 900 pro x doesn't sound that good, and warzone has really bad audio.
Cool to see this. Thoughts on added audio delay when using external dacs? I remember battlenonsense making a video about this years ago where the conclusion was that using an external dac introduced something in the neighborhood of 20ms+, depending on the dac. Through that logic I'd guess that purely for gaming using an internal soundcard & low impedence headphones ie tygr 300r would make more sense...
It varies from Dac to Dac. There are many external dacs that have very low delay.
Do you have a DAC in mind?
Out of my audio friends, i was the first to point out audio delay. It was really bad on the Denafrips Ares 2, and i let everyone know about it (because i'm a pro/semi-pro gamer), my DJ friend also said the delay was an issue for him as well.
@@nyvoreviews5443 Not specifically; from my limited understanding currently using any dac other than onboard introduces relatively significant additional delay unless the game supports asio drivers, which very, very few games do (rocksmith from the top of my head and a couple obscure konami games).
It's the entire reason I've avoided higher impedence headphones for gaming use the last couple of years, though unfortunately I do feel a lot of the lower impedence headphone offerings still benefit from using an amp...
Realistically speaking for casual shooters and such 20ms is not a big deal but I'd guess that even with the improved clarity a dac can offer pro/semi-pro gamers would be better off not having to play around this additional delay, at least theoretically. If there's a dac out there that cuts the additional delay down to somewhere
@@m.m.x.4244 that is incorrect, most external dacs delay is less than 15ms (probably closer to 2-5ms)
But some dacs have more than others.
@@nyvoreviews5443 Do you know of a site or someone that measures latency of dacs objectively? I'm barely seeing anything through google regarding dacs and latencies combined with specifically gaming other than the battlenonsense video we got in 2020 showcasing the issue I mentioned.
@@m.m.x.4244 no. Even my measurements are from using a TH-cam video called audio/video sync test and then closing my eyes and manual clicking my pause button when I expect the next click to happen.
have you tried the TYGR 300r with the Scarelett Solo?
No, but almost everyone I know does not like Scarlett
@@nyvoreviews5443 it actually sounds pretty clear and loud, my only complaint is random static sounds when pauses audio or videos. I have that and the jds labs atom stack
is it worth picking up the Tygr if you already have a HD 560s?
Only if you are sick of the hd560s clamp force.
@@nyvoreviews5443 i fixed the clamp with its own box
What would you choose instead of 900 pro x for monitoring? Around same price range and good comfort
@@jcap8391 speakers. If speakers aren’t an option, then both of the pro Beyerdynamic headphones are decent choices. Dt1990 pro and dt 900 pro x
@@nyvoreviews5443 can 900 pro x be driven with just my PC?
Would you pick 560S or TYGR paired with the ifi zen dac v2?
Me personally. Probably tygr, but it depends on use case and preferences.
560s has a tighter clamp force, it doesn’t stage in front as much, but the frequency response is smooth.
Tygr has a more comfortably fit, the pads wear out faster and cost more, the stage is larger but the frequency response is a bit more wonky, and is overall more fun sounding where 560s is more neutral.
@@nyvoreviews5443
Thanks for the answer!
I'm looking for a pair mainly for gaming, specifically competitive FPS, occasional music.
My first good pair of cans were the DT990 250ohm, thought they sounded fantastic but had nothing serious to compare them with. Plugged straight to the mother board sound card, S1220 chip.
I now have the Cloud Flight S, wireless and closed back. They are okay but i want that open back, natural sound again.
So would you think a DAC is needed or the S1220 chip should be fine? There is no coil wine, static noise or anything like that when plugged into the mobo.
@@danut05 one of my first videos was putting a dt990 250 ohm in a blender. The treble is way to high on it. But it is good for low volume level gaming. To get a real upgrade for competitive fps gaming, you may want to look into audio technica r70x. I have no way to really judge your motherboard so I can’t say for sure.
which is best for competitive game like cs go, and also for podcasting overall?
Dt990 600 ohm version with valhalla2
@@nyvoreviews5443 Thanks! I bought the rodecaster pro, so no need for valhall2 right?
@@mikebak6048 tbh, I doubt the rodecaster pro will cut it. Part of the reason it needs valhalla is because it helps tame the treble down. Also 600ohms is a fairly hard to drive headphone.
Hello! Which headphones are better than 880 now? In this price category.
For music? Or gaming? Or both?
@@nyvoreviews5443 For music
@@vitgarin2444 400se + iFi zen can would be my pick. It is technically better than dt880
What mic do you use? cause the quality and caliber of the voice is great!
This was probably on my mkh 416
i bought 900 simply no headphone at its price point did what i wanted and met the conditions, not only not at its price point, but even 100 to 150 more expensive ones didnt, and these are the conditions, being only 240 at price, being on the limit of not needing an amp and dac, approved comfort, approved quality control, detatchable cable, being for general use, i wanna game, music, watch movies and i want to scratch the world of high end audio gear but not get too deep in it, by spending more than 300 or 400 and i definitely dont want dacs and amps and busy stuff lying around on my table, just something casual for my casual non audiofile ears to just plug into my laptop or phone to listen to.
if anyone has any other options that challenge it, let me know, if there really was a better option, i can still return these and buy that option, and ill be thankful if someone gives me a better option.
These are very far from high end headphones. They aren’t even necessarily good at gaming or music, but they are very comfortable
@@nyvoreviews5443 which one do you recommend more for music? 560s or DT-900 pro X? because most reviews i saw preferred the 900 pro X, specially in bass and music enjoyment. also, id be thankful if you can introduce to me alternatives for the bracket price of 200 to 400 that is good for music, watching movies and gaming(pretty much general use)
@@allenalphonse4962 verum1 is the first one that comes to mind. It’s main issue is the bass has a resonant frequency so there is one particular note that is emphasized in the bass. But other than that it’s a solid choice.
r70x is good except might be considered boring. And to me it lacked bass.
400se is better than 560s and 900 pro x but it doesn’t stage in front.
Hifiman XS is pretty dang good
@@nyvoreviews5443 verum 1 wouldve been great if they worked for more than a year or even 6 months without an issue, if r70x is more neutral than 900 pro x then i surely wont enjoy it, i want some elevation in base, and the hifimans have ridiculous amounts of bad reviews and QC complaints, and the 900 pro x are durable plus 6-7 years investments, also about the xs, not buying amp/dac wont do it justice. plus its double the price without an amp/dac investment
Awesome video, I'm currently stuck between the dt900 pro x or the tygr 300r paired with the ifi zen dac v2. Which do u recommend?
What will you be using it for? Is it for music? Gaming? What type of music etc.
@@nyvoreviews5443 Both music and gaming. Genre wise mostly rap & Hip Hop (bass heavy). This is essentially to become my daily driver/everyman headphone. I don't need something that's pinpoint accurate but a nice detailed sound and a wide sound stage would be great
@@maxwhittaker1175 I wouldn’t say any of them are bass heavy. If I had to pick one of these I would pick tygr 300 r and zen AIR dac (since you don’t need balanced for beyers)
An upgrade from here would be Hifiman XS
@@nyvoreviews5443 Thank you 😁
So what would be your ultimate pick for music in this price range? Just ordered the Hifiman HE400se, because its 50 bucks cheaper and planar... Tried the HD560s but sadly, my head is too big for them, they dont sit right. But I found them also quite boring, looking into something with more of a V shape, I think
Well…. This price range includes Hifiman XS. I would pick XS.
400se is okay too but it likes an amp with a lot of power.
@@nyvoreviews5443 they are 400€ where I am, 300€ more ;D but thanks for the quick response. Would you say the HE400se are better then all those Beyerdynamics shown? never tried one, too scared of this infamous treble
@@iElephant24yes. If you compare them side by side, as long as the 400se is amped well it beats all of the beyers, but the stage type is only left to right which some people don’t like (including me).
@@nyvoreviews5443 Alright thanks! But I dont know what you mean by stage type "left to right". They have no sound stage, as in surround sound? I thought the sound stage should be amazing just because they are open back
@@iElephant24there are lots of different types of stage shapes for headphones. Until you experience them it’s difficult to convey what it is really like.
400se when amped well can stage probably a lot larger than whatever you are used to. But when I say left to right I mean it doesn’t seem like sound are in front of your face. With 560s they barely stage slightly in front of your face but aren’t as wide left to right.
It will be easier to communicate the differences after you have tried a couple more headphones.
What headphones do you feel that are better than the Beyer Dt 880?
That depends on a lot of factors, but 400se is what I had in mind while filming this
@@nyvoreviews5443 I got the 900 pro x like it better than my r70x and sundaras. I was thinking about getting ollo s4x next.....
I have the dt900 600ohm. I’ve been using it with modi multibit and sh-9.
I’m thinking about getting the Valhalla 2 but the new lyr 3+ fusion looks like a better buy. Thoughts? And will you be getting the new schiit lyr 3+ fusion in for review?
I wasn’t planning on getting the lyr3+ because I have a bottlehead crack. But I have heard good things about lyr3+ but don’t know how they pair with beyers.
Would I be better off buying a used Valhalla for $300.00 for my dt990 600ohm or just getting a Hifiman xs and use my current system?
@@mtnmankeith9069 what will you mainly use it for? And what is your current amp?
Mainly using it for immersive gaming. I have the smsl sh-9 amp with Modi Multibit dac.
@@mtnmankeith9069 I would say the dt990 600 ohm on valhalla is I’ll not a bit more immersive.
XS will also be good too, but the stage won’t wrap around in front of you as much, which some people would say is less immersive.
dt990 600 ohm and valhalla2 is slightly better for competitive FPS gaming.
XS is the better overall headphone though (music Included).