Brilliant, I’m always nervous giving away eggs early. But definitely showed me under the right circumstances it’s worth it and still lead to a massive win. Great commentary as always. Look forward to the next one
Big fan of your videos!! Im currently in the process of learning to get above 130 consistently. That threshhold is hard to cross. Last few games ive got 120+
@ for sure. Ive been consistently getting over 110 fairly consistently. My last 5 or 6 games ive been at 117+ with the exception of one game where i only got 103. Lol im known in my family as the guy who always wins wingspan.
These are the best games to watch and love that you went for goldcrest-moltoni! One question: didn't you consider playing the condor with the goldcrest instead of one more turn laying eggs? In that way you could have tucked one more card with the chiffchaff (even three, maybe even four if you used the brolga in the same turn you picked up the condor), see two extra bonus cards that could either be big points or thrown for the kiwi, and fill up the board. Tho fair enough, I wouldn't have made it this far to begin with considering all the choices that led to this, really good fun game!
With the benefit of a ton of time on my hands, I crunched some numbers. Long story short, it's not really worth gambling on the Condor's bonus card. My analysis starts at 41:40. In this analysis, the plan is still to follow Will's strategy and play the Kiwi via Goldcrest's activation, play the Swan via Moltoni's activation, and play the Booby via Manikin's activation. The actual turn Will took was a grasslands activation. This netted 4 eggs and 3 food (one of them limited to Kookaburra's ~96% successful hunt chance). It also firmly secured the round-end goal of ground nest birds with eggs. Assuming that the nectar battles were already lost, this was a 4-point turn that also 100% secured first place in the end of round and further secured later food requirements. Hard to pass that up. But at 41:40, let's say you play the Condor in the forest instead. That's +1 point on the bird, -2 points from spent eggs, +1 bonus card. In the moment, a -1 point play to gamble on a bonus card. (But at least you have Kiwi & Booby to discard it if it's a dud.) As you point out, this theoretical Condor-playing turn would also improve the following Forest activation by +1 tuck and +1 food. So you might think of the Condor-playing turn as a 0-point play to net 1 bonus card and 1 food. Even if you bet you'll end up with an additional 6-point bonus card in hand, that's quite a big gamble compared to the egg-laying turn described above. One more alternative at 41:40 is taking food. You can tuck more with Chiffchaff and discard a card to activate Goldcrest, thus playing Condor, all while securing his required food for later (assuming you don't get tremendously unlucky in bird feeder rerolls). This theoretical line gets more complicated, but it's still not worth it. Because Will didn't activate the Brolga in the card-drawing turn starting at 39:20, you would have to settle for only 5 Chiffchaff tucks between your two Forest activations instead of the maximum possible 7. That's also assuming your feeder rolls are exactly what you need and you don't have to throw cards for additional food to play Kiwi, Swan, and Booby. So if I did all my math right, this theoretical turn nets 2 points (+1 on Condor, +3 tucks between the two Forest activations, and -2 eggs) as well as 2 food and 1 bonus card. It's better than simply playing the Condor, but it still is a gamble both on the bonus card and on friendly feeder rerolls. It also opens the door for the opponent to perhaps tie the round-end goal (or even win it, if they manage to line up playing Savannah Sparrow into Golden-headed Cisticola into Kea and then let the Redstart do its thing). But they didn't lay an egg on Kakapo earlier when they had the chance to, so in all this convoluted theory, they probably still would've lost that round-end goal. TLDR: my head hurts
Hahaha thank you for your answer and love this vibe. I think you're right tho: I actually overlooked the consequences for the final EOR in my calculations. I'm also a total sucker for filling up the board, so I guess I just blindstared on the action I thought would be the more fun one to watch, especially because it would have been even another twist in strategy in a game that was already full with them. Edit: tho I will say that the bonus card gamble was not as big as it seemed, as it would at least be worth the four points of nest box builder. Discussions like these are why this game is so brilliant :)
Brilliant, I’m always nervous giving away eggs early. But definitely showed me under the right circumstances it’s worth it and still lead to a massive win. Great commentary as always. Look forward to the next one
Big fan of your videos!! Im currently in the process of learning to get above 130 consistently. That threshhold is hard to cross. Last few games ive got 120+
130 requires luck and hard to make consistent, but consistent 110 is possible
@ for sure. Ive been consistently getting over 110 fairly consistently. My last 5 or 6 games ive been at 117+ with the exception of one game where i only got 103. Lol im known in my family as the guy who always wins wingspan.
omg that game was so fun for you and everything i want to do in wingpspan
These are the best games to watch and love that you went for goldcrest-moltoni! One question: didn't you consider playing the condor with the goldcrest instead of one more turn laying eggs? In that way you could have tucked one more card with the chiffchaff (even three, maybe even four if you used the brolga in the same turn you picked up the condor), see two extra bonus cards that could either be big points or thrown for the kiwi, and fill up the board. Tho fair enough, I wouldn't have made it this far to begin with considering all the choices that led to this, really good fun game!
With the benefit of a ton of time on my hands, I crunched some numbers. Long story short, it's not really worth gambling on the Condor's bonus card. My analysis starts at 41:40. In this analysis, the plan is still to follow Will's strategy and play the Kiwi via Goldcrest's activation, play the Swan via Moltoni's activation, and play the Booby via Manikin's activation.
The actual turn Will took was a grasslands activation. This netted 4 eggs and 3 food (one of them limited to Kookaburra's ~96% successful hunt chance). It also firmly secured the round-end goal of ground nest birds with eggs. Assuming that the nectar battles were already lost, this was a 4-point turn that also 100% secured first place in the end of round and further secured later food requirements. Hard to pass that up.
But at 41:40, let's say you play the Condor in the forest instead. That's +1 point on the bird, -2 points from spent eggs, +1 bonus card. In the moment, a -1 point play to gamble on a bonus card. (But at least you have Kiwi & Booby to discard it if it's a dud.) As you point out, this theoretical Condor-playing turn would also improve the following Forest activation by +1 tuck and +1 food. So you might think of the Condor-playing turn as a 0-point play to net 1 bonus card and 1 food. Even if you bet you'll end up with an additional 6-point bonus card in hand, that's quite a big gamble compared to the egg-laying turn described above.
One more alternative at 41:40 is taking food. You can tuck more with Chiffchaff and discard a card to activate Goldcrest, thus playing Condor, all while securing his required food for later (assuming you don't get tremendously unlucky in bird feeder rerolls). This theoretical line gets more complicated, but it's still not worth it. Because Will didn't activate the Brolga in the card-drawing turn starting at 39:20, you would have to settle for only 5 Chiffchaff tucks between your two Forest activations instead of the maximum possible 7. That's also assuming your feeder rolls are exactly what you need and you don't have to throw cards for additional food to play Kiwi, Swan, and Booby. So if I did all my math right, this theoretical turn nets 2 points (+1 on Condor, +3 tucks between the two Forest activations, and -2 eggs) as well as 2 food and 1 bonus card. It's better than simply playing the Condor, but it still is a gamble both on the bonus card and on friendly feeder rerolls. It also opens the door for the opponent to perhaps tie the round-end goal (or even win it, if they manage to line up playing Savannah Sparrow into Golden-headed Cisticola into Kea and then let the Redstart do its thing). But they didn't lay an egg on Kakapo earlier when they had the chance to, so in all this convoluted theory, they probably still would've lost that round-end goal.
TLDR: my head hurts
Hahaha thank you for your answer and love this vibe. I think you're right tho: I actually overlooked the consequences for the final EOR in my calculations. I'm also a total sucker for filling up the board, so I guess I just blindstared on the action I thought would be the more fun one to watch, especially because it would have been even another twist in strategy in a game that was already full with them.
Edit: tho I will say that the bonus card gamble was not as big as it seemed, as it would at least be worth the four points of nest box builder.
Discussions like these are why this game is so brilliant :)
@@niekpeters4391 can't argue that filling up the board feels amazing hahah
Great one!
Drongo is such a mind bird... in most cases it feels like giving out nectar is not worth it. But still figuring out...
You are very good at thinking through possible lines of play. Do you also play chess?
I would've died with so many choices. Great wild game
What a fascinating game - not sure I've ever seen one quite like it!
How long did this game take?😅 Well played tho
Great game, very entertaining to watch!
Wow, a game like this makes you wish there was a way to save a game at a precise time and play it out multiple ways, crazy endgame play
What a game!