@@bradsour I use Lancet and as modules Stampede, Surge and FLTR-XL or Brandt (I interchange between these last two). Red Monster has a great set of tutorials I've learned a lot from.
Thanks for being here! First, I am aware that there are a handful of ore collection bugs introduced in 3.17.1 that have yet to be resolved, so please help contribute to those issue council reports and try not to hold it against me personally! (Collection Bug: issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-38161) Second, the Active Ping Angle Tuning video can be found here: th-cam.com/video/vz8TOCUa0Ms/w-d-xo.html
dude, you're the fucking GOAT of SC mining. I used to always go to band 5 of the halo since it was the densest and I assumed that changed spawn rate, but actually trying for band 1 (the least concentrated), showed the same amount. that and I always wondered what the point of setting your scan angle so low was for, this is genuinely such a headache saver.
The video has profoundly changed my life. Yesterday before the video I was in the verse for 3 hours with about 2.75 of that time searching for that 41% q-rock. I watched 2 of the ping/scanning videos and set my joystick up with the ping angle settings and jumped in and dropped into the Halo at about the second ring. I set my ping angle to 90 degrees and immediately had 3 blue squares between 8-10km away. I set the ping angle to 2 degrees, and the first two were type m, but the third one was a type Q. I flew to it and it was 24.55% quantanium. I used to pass those up and only went for 30%, but I'd been in the halo for 2 minutes and have things to do so what the heck, I mined it and went back home and started 22SCU to refining. It is not bad for a grand total of 15 minutes in the PU start/finish log in/log out. But my halo mining will be a lot more fun and productive now. WOOT!
Thank you for making an easy to follow video explaining this new scanning technique. It's worked very well for me so far, and I linked it to a buddy of mine who is just getting into Prospecting. Please keep up the great work and quality content creation.
I can't give this enough likes. It's made mining so much faster! You can also investigate so much more rather than having to make shoices about what to look at.
Ok this technique has saved mining for me. I can’t wait to try it out. All we need now is are buttons for each scan angle (not that spamming the up and down buttons is hard).
This really helped me with the prospector.. Enough so that I got a Mole in 6 days! Unfortunately Solo Mole requires getting up close and personal with each rock..It can take a very long time to find a rock in the halo.. And I dread taking that behemoth into atmo like on Lyria. Maybe you or someone you know knows the ins and outs of solo mole! Thanks for the videos. They are all really helpful.
Thank you for this. Great video and super useful. I only mine in the belt and the one draw back is those Unscannable rocks so hopefully this will help with that. 👍
This is a good tut. If this is what they intended it's a good mechanic after really messing it up in .17.0 but I've got to think they messed up again putting the scanning method in the mining mode. It would make a whole lot more sense to scan in scanning mode and only mine in mining mode. I'm smashing keys needlessly scanning with my miner sticking out blowing in the breeze. Plus 360 and 2 are the only degrees i use now. eff all them silly numbers in the middle.
That's great news. I haven't been back to the halo since I learned of the clusters on Lyria, so a couple months now. I wonder if it's at all doable in my MOLE with my alt. How close to 0° dead ahead can any of the turrets get, or would that require a bunch of nodding up and down? If this is how the universe works wouldn't they design the ship sensors and the turrets to converge? Great content again sir! Thank you!!
When I was testing this with a group, most of the time the turret operators were able to ping towards the turret aim direction, while we would occasionally only get pings based on the direction the ship was pointed. As far as turret firing arc, You'll need to pitch upwards by a minimum of 10 degrees if the turret operators wants a chance at being able to ping directly forward.
Yep, I've been mining out there for a long time. You put together some solid logic here! One more little detail. Any really tight clusters are always Qu as well
Great video! We use the Mole and my buddy pilots while I am on turret duty. My issue is my eyes are not that good and it is hard to read the small scanning telemetry text while in a turret (unlike the Prospector that is nice and up-close ) Question: is there a way to zoom the turret HUD in so it is fixed so I can read it more clearly without having to go back and forth using F to zoom in read what I need then zoom back out from the MFD?
For the HUD issue you can use the turret instant zoom feature which is bound to the left shift. I also bound this to my joystick and it acts like a toggle there. This video covers it briefly th-cam.com/video/a4NBlr_Kxt4/w-d-xo.html
In order to scan "unscanables", you have to leave the ship and get back in. It's weird and takes time but it works, I promise... I only do it when I find a big rock that is obviously quant based on sight check.
Yep, this method weeds out the unscannables at a distance so I don't usually get up close enough to confirm whether it's Quantainium. As noted in previous patches, a cluster of Q-type asteroids will appear a lot closer than other clusters, so I'll keep an eye on it and hopefully confirm one way or another soon.
Incredible job once again! As you mentioned in your pinned comment, there is a lot of talk about a bug since 3.17.1 went live and/or during Invictus/free flight where your cargo magically vanishes and you return to the refiniery emlpty handed. Have you experienced this significantly during your testing?
Yes, I did some testing in my Mole and all the material I extracted disappeared. My Prospector hasn't had that problem so I'd recommend using that instead.
Also, server performance does have an impact. I found a lot more unscannable rocks yesterday than normal, but was still able to put away about 1.4m aUEC in a 5-hour mining session.
At first it seemed like this was OP but in my personal testing it feels like it's just two different methods that can yield about the same average results over time, due to the RNG and unscannables you have to deal with in the belt vs spotting clusters and getting close to scan them on planet scanning. At least it's giving the impression that one is not clearly superior over the other, and it's more in line with what your preference is
I agree. The unscannables in the belt are an issue that balances this method versus the Lyria Cluster hunting, and I think we had more problems this weekend than usual due to server performance. In any case, if one method gets "fixed" we'll still have a highly successful alternative.
So the issue council report has been marked as fixed but it's not in the current live or PTU version. It might make it into the PTU build that's coming out soon, but unfortunately that isn't a guarantee that things will be resolved.
Great tutorial. But yea with 3.17.1 we cant mine, they broke something with exstracting ores now. When you colecting, its nothing filing storage of mole or prospector, so you delivering empty ships to stations.
so long range scanning no longer works, you need to have the mining head out to see what kind of rock it is? Solo MOLE mining is dead, even if they fix extraction?
Any suggestion for player using HOTAS to increase and decrease the ping of the scan because switching to mouse wheel to increase, decrease the ping is immersion breaking and really not convenient.
If you've got a free pair of buttons or axis on your joystick you can use that. I use the same hat switch for throttle limiter and ping angle, since it won't change throttle while I'm in mining mode. You could also setup a VoiceAttack Macro if you use that.
Awesome - thanks! I'm betting that using mining mode to resolve at distance is going to be labeled an 'exploit' and will be resolved in an upcoming patch. If that happens, everything holds true except for the fact that you need to get within ~500m to resolve asteroid type.
I'm on the fence about this. It seems reasonable that this could be the intended design, and it just doesn't work YET for surface deposits. On the flip side, methods like the Lyria cluster seem like pretty obvious bugs that would be more likely to get the bugsmashers treatment.
@@RedMonsterSC In either case, continued amusement an detective work to determine best practices - happily gets my support, and thank you for your hard work!
Sadly, no. This was fixed several patches ago. Check out my 3.19 updated and beyond for the new rock distribution percentages. As of now, everything is a lot more random.
the halo fits what i like to do turn on some music smoke up and just go until i find a rock sometimes its faster than others usually 2 decent to max roids a hr i didnt have good luck on lyria had nothing but success in the halo
I seriously doubt that Quantum Jumping is resetting spawn logic. The asteroids are dispersed using probability spheres of about 20K km size. By that reasoning a jump of about 10-20K km will have a good chance of putting you into another probability sphere. The quality and composition of all probability spheres is not the same. The probability sphere's quality and quantity is fixed to the location. When you find an excellent location document that position from multiple relative locations, you will find that the relative locations are not at consistent distances so this is more difficult than you might think. Documenting how to accurately get back will reward you with a constant ability to farm successfully.
So, per your argument, a quick jump will still put you in a new probability sphere. I don't know that it actually "resets" anything, as I'm not versed in the controlling logic that generates rock spawns, but it will put you in a new location which triggers a new set of spawn randomizations. Essentially allowing you to "reroll" if you don't like where you're at. I like the idea of going back to the same location if you're in a hot spot, but it's pretty difficult to accomplish in the current state of the game. You could do it if there were a party member there, by setting up a personal beacon (which will be available for the rest of the server to see), or leaving a package delivery that shows a marker. Not saying that its impossible, but if you're running solo it might not be worth the added effort.
@@RedMonsterSC My understanding is that just moving causes the generation of objects on your boundary dynamically, but those objects are generated within the pre-defined probability of your local probability sphere. By jumping into a new probability sphere you are hoping to jump into one with a higher density and quality value for the minerals which you seek. Once you have located such a sphere, record the coordinates the sphere; probability values are static. So if you find that sphere again it will still be a hotspot but the actual spawns will be dynamically different in each location. The problem is that the planets move so all coordinates are transient. I find my hot spots about half the time. Probability spheres are the method used for generation of NPC interactions. This is fairly well described in theory. It is the method of the universe having dynamic content.
I just fear that CIG will "fix" this soon. I'm still thinking they let an intern mess with the spawn ratio/RNG of the Halo. Thanks for the video, this is excellent.
As far as issue priority, this is pretty far down the list. I could see the Lyria Clusters issue being fixed long before this method, but I'm also not the one making the game.
@@RedMonsterSC As an aside, Todd Pappy said the dud scanning issue was a server mesh problem, so we won't see that resolved until after Alpha 4. Which video of your was the ping angle info? thx
damn I spent 3 hours looking for Q asteroids, found like 5, with like 7 percent being the best.. am I doing something wrong? im searching in band 1 btw, but half of what i find is glitched and unscannable
Unfortunatley unscannable rocks are the norm right now. Quantainium deposits can have 2.1% to 50% Quantainium concentrations, but are heavily skewed towards the lower end of the scale. 90% of what you find will be 10% or less.
This video is GOLDEN! Put it in practice and immediately found a 43% Quantanium rock within 15 minutes. This method is saving me lots of time!!
These are the types of results we strive for.
What setup do you use to mine a 43% Quantanium rock on your own?
@@bradsour I use a Lancet with 2 Vaux-C3 modules and a Torrent III. That will handle any sized asteroids.
@@bradsour I use Lancet and as modules Stampede, Surge and FLTR-XL or Brandt (I interchange between these last two). Red Monster has a great set of tutorials I've learned a lot from.
Thanks for being here!
First, I am aware that there are a handful of ore collection bugs introduced in 3.17.1 that have yet to be resolved, so please help contribute to those issue council reports and try not to hold it against me personally!
(Collection Bug: issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-38161)
Second, the Active Ping Angle Tuning video can be found here: th-cam.com/video/vz8TOCUa0Ms/w-d-xo.html
dude, you're the fucking GOAT of SC mining. I used to always go to band 5 of the halo since it was the densest and I assumed that changed spawn rate, but actually trying for band 1 (the least concentrated), showed the same amount. that and I always wondered what the point of setting your scan angle so low was for, this is genuinely such a headache saver.
This video is a must watch, been finding crazy Q rocks with 24%- 30% within minutes of being in the belt... Your a master Guru of mining!!!
I went to the halo and had the smoothest mining session I've had in a long while! Thanks for the vid Red!!!!
The video has profoundly changed my life. Yesterday before the video I was in the verse for 3 hours with about 2.75 of that time searching for that 41% q-rock. I watched 2 of the ping/scanning videos and set my joystick up with the ping angle settings and jumped in and dropped into the Halo at about the second ring. I set my ping angle to 90 degrees and immediately had 3 blue squares between 8-10km away. I set the ping angle to 2 degrees, and the first two were type m, but the third one was a type Q. I flew to it and it was 24.55% quantanium. I used to pass those up and only went for 30%, but I'd been in the halo for 2 minutes and have things to do so what the heck, I mined it and went back home and started 22SCU to refining. It is not bad for a grand total of 15 minutes in the PU start/finish log in/log out. But my halo mining will be a lot more fun and productive now. WOOT!
Yet another super useful video!
Back to the belt!
Thank you for making an easy to follow video explaining this new scanning technique. It's worked very well for me so far, and I linked it to a buddy of mine who is just getting into Prospecting. Please keep up the great work and quality content creation.
Red dishing out the knowledge in a nice and digestible format as usual.
Brilliantly clear and well explained. Thanks a million!
Glad it was helpful! And hopefully you earn more than just a few million using it :)
I can't give this enough likes. It's made mining so much faster! You can also investigate so much more rather than having to make shoices about what to look at.
Just bloody brilliant, thanks!
Excellent work RedMonsterSC! Thank you very much!!
Ok this technique has saved mining for me. I can’t wait to try it out. All we need now is are buttons for each scan angle (not that spamming the up and down buttons is hard).
If you've got VoiceAttack, you can set a macro to be either voice activated or from a key press. I'd highly recommend giving that a shot.
This really helped me with the prospector.. Enough so that I got a Mole in 6 days! Unfortunately Solo Mole requires getting up close and personal with each rock..It can take a very long time to find a rock in the halo.. And I dread taking that behemoth into atmo like on Lyria. Maybe you or someone you know knows the ins and outs of solo mole! Thanks for the videos. They are all really helpful.
Thank you for this. Great video and super useful. I only mine in the belt and the one draw back is those Unscannable rocks so hopefully this will help with that. 👍
Fantastic tips. Very helpful! Thanks!
We're back in the belt boys!
Thank you.
Well this is a game changer for me, thanks!
Thanks for the video. I might have to move to the belt from lyria.
This is a good tut. If this is what they intended it's a good mechanic after really messing it up in .17.0 but I've got to think they messed up again putting the scanning method in the mining mode. It would make a whole lot more sense to scan in scanning mode and only mine in mining mode. I'm smashing keys needlessly scanning with my miner sticking out blowing in the breeze. Plus 360 and 2 are the only degrees i use now. eff all them silly numbers in the middle.
That's great news. I haven't been back to the halo since I learned of the clusters on Lyria, so a couple months now. I wonder if it's at all doable in my MOLE with my alt. How close to 0° dead ahead can any of the turrets get, or would that require a bunch of nodding up and down? If this is how the universe works wouldn't they design the ship sensors and the turrets to converge? Great content again sir! Thank you!!
When I was testing this with a group, most of the time the turret operators were able to ping towards the turret aim direction, while we would occasionally only get pings based on the direction the ship was pointed. As far as turret firing arc, You'll need to pitch upwards by a minimum of 10 degrees if the turret operators wants a chance at being able to ping directly forward.
Yep, I've been mining out there for a long time. You put together some solid logic here! One more little detail. Any really tight clusters are always Qu as well
Are your charts shown in this great video available? Would like to print them out for reference.
I'll have them added to my website and discord in the next few hours.
@@RedMonsterSC Thank you
Great video. I just got a prospector. What attachments should I use?
I dual box in my mole w an alt and 2nd pc, this info is great
Me too!
Yeah me as well, best Mining experience I have had, hoping they fix the Mole so "we" can go Moling again
This game is wild
How does it work in 3.17.2? Any changes?
Well don Red!!
Great video! We use the Mole and my buddy pilots while I am on turret duty.
My issue is my eyes are not that good and it is hard to read the small scanning telemetry text while in a turret (unlike the Prospector that is nice and up-close )
Question: is there a way to zoom the turret HUD in so it is fixed so I can read it more clearly without having to go back and forth using F to zoom in read what I need then zoom back out from the MFD?
For the HUD issue you can use the turret instant zoom feature which is bound to the left shift. I also bound this to my joystick and it acts like a toggle there. This video covers it briefly th-cam.com/video/a4NBlr_Kxt4/w-d-xo.html
Giggitty!
In order to scan "unscanables", you have to leave the ship and get back in.
It's weird and takes time but it works, I promise... I only do it when I find a big rock that is obviously quant based on sight check.
Yep, this method weeds out the unscannables at a distance so I don't usually get up close enough to confirm whether it's Quantainium.
As noted in previous patches, a cluster of Q-type asteroids will appear a lot closer than other clusters, so I'll keep an eye on it and hopefully confirm one way or another soon.
Incredible job once again!
As you mentioned in your pinned comment, there is a lot of talk about a bug since 3.17.1 went live and/or during Invictus/free flight where your cargo magically vanishes and you return to the refiniery emlpty handed.
Have you experienced this significantly during your testing?
Yes, I did some testing in my Mole and all the material I extracted disappeared. My Prospector hasn't had that problem so I'd recommend using that instead.
Also, server performance does have an impact. I found a lot more unscannable rocks yesterday than normal, but was still able to put away about 1.4m aUEC in a 5-hour mining session.
@@RedMonsterSC Ah yes indeed you are right, I re-checked the issue council reports and it seem to affect the MOLE only.
At first it seemed like this was OP but in my personal testing it feels like it's just two different methods that can yield about the same average results over time, due to the RNG and unscannables you have to deal with in the belt vs spotting clusters and getting close to scan them on planet scanning. At least it's giving the impression that one is not clearly superior over the other, and it's more in line with what your preference is
I agree. The unscannables in the belt are an issue that balances this method versus the Lyria Cluster hunting, and I think we had more problems this weekend than usual due to server performance. In any case, if one method gets "fixed" we'll still have a highly successful alternative.
Is there a way to get the mole extraction lasers working again?
So the issue council report has been marked as fixed but it's not in the current live or PTU version. It might make it into the PTU build that's coming out soon, but unfortunately that isn't a guarantee that things will be resolved.
@@RedMonsterSC ok thank you red monster!
What's the name of the video for the ping angle tuning? Thanks for posting this this! This is super informative!
Hey, I was still working on that video, but it's posted here now: th-cam.com/video/vz8TOCUa0Ms/w-d-xo.html
Great tutorial. But yea with 3.17.1 we cant mine, they broke something with exstracting ores now. When you colecting, its nothing filing storage of mole or prospector, so you delivering empty ships to stations.
I've noticed the extraction issue with the Mole, but the Prospector seems to work still.
same here ... tried two runs with my mole ... nothing in the cargo bay. But it seems to work with the Prospector
so long range scanning no longer works, you need to have the mining head out to see what kind of rock it is? Solo MOLE mining is dead, even if they fix extraction?
I'd say solo Mole will not be as efficient. Lets see what changes in 3.17.2 for scanning since we seem to get new changes each patch.
Any suggestion for player using HOTAS to increase and decrease the ping of the scan because switching to mouse wheel to increase, decrease the ping is immersion breaking and really not convenient.
If you've got a free pair of buttons or axis on your joystick you can use that. I use the same hat switch for throttle limiter and ping angle, since it won't change throttle while I'm in mining mode.
You could also setup a VoiceAttack Macro if you use that.
In 3.22. I am finding disappearing asteroids. Once I get a rock outline. I head towards it. And they just disappear.
Awesome - thanks! I'm betting that using mining mode to resolve at distance is going to be labeled an 'exploit' and will be resolved in an upcoming patch. If that happens, everything holds true except for the fact that you need to get within ~500m to resolve asteroid type.
I'm on the fence about this. It seems reasonable that this could be the intended design, and it just doesn't work YET for surface deposits. On the flip side, methods like the Lyria cluster seem like pretty obvious bugs that would be more likely to get the bugsmashers treatment.
@@RedMonsterSC In either case, continued amusement an detective work to determine best practices - happily gets my support, and thank you for your hard work!
Does this still apply to 3.23.1 ?
Sadly, no. This was fixed several patches ago. Check out my 3.19 updated and beyond for the new rock distribution percentages. As of now, everything is a lot more random.
the halo fits what i like to do turn on some music smoke up and just go until i find a rock sometimes its faster than others usually 2 decent to max roids a hr i didnt have good luck on lyria had nothing but success in the halo
I seriously doubt that Quantum Jumping is resetting spawn logic. The asteroids are dispersed using probability spheres of about 20K km size. By that reasoning a jump of about 10-20K km will have a good chance of putting you into another probability sphere. The quality and composition of all probability spheres is not the same. The probability sphere's quality and quantity is fixed to the location. When you find an excellent location document that position from multiple relative locations, you will find that the relative locations are not at consistent distances so this is more difficult than you might think. Documenting how to accurately get back will reward you with a constant ability to farm successfully.
So, per your argument, a quick jump will still put you in a new probability sphere. I don't know that it actually "resets" anything, as I'm not versed in the controlling logic that generates rock spawns, but it will put you in a new location which triggers a new set of spawn randomizations. Essentially allowing you to "reroll" if you don't like where you're at.
I like the idea of going back to the same location if you're in a hot spot, but it's pretty difficult to accomplish in the current state of the game. You could do it if there were a party member there, by setting up a personal beacon (which will be available for the rest of the server to see), or leaving a package delivery that shows a marker. Not saying that its impossible, but if you're running solo it might not be worth the added effort.
@@RedMonsterSC My understanding is that just moving causes the generation of objects on your boundary dynamically, but those objects are generated within the pre-defined probability of your local probability sphere. By jumping into a new probability sphere you are hoping to jump into one with a higher density and quality value for the minerals which you seek. Once you have located such a sphere, record the coordinates the sphere; probability values are static. So if you find that sphere again it will still be a hotspot but the actual spawns will be dynamically different in each location. The problem is that the planets move so all coordinates are transient. I find my hot spots about half the time. Probability spheres are the method used for generation of NPC interactions. This is fairly well described in theory. It is the method of the universe having dynamic content.
I just fear that CIG will "fix" this soon. I'm still thinking they let an intern mess with the spawn ratio/RNG of the Halo. Thanks for the video, this is excellent.
As far as issue priority, this is pretty far down the list. I could see the Lyria Clusters issue being fixed long before this method, but I'm also not the one making the game.
@@RedMonsterSC As an aside, Todd Pappy said the dud scanning issue was a server mesh problem, so we won't see that resolved until after Alpha 4.
Which video of your was the ping angle info? thx
That's actually still in the works, but should be the next one I post.
To bad the pilot of the $5mill mole can’t use mining mode scanning :/
Yep. I'm hoping that the info is added to scanning mode or at least made more visible.
Guess what, no surprise but this doesn't work for 3.18
Survey says whole game us broke lol
Mining is broken right now. dont even try. I broke and collected 3 rocks in my MOLE and my cargo was completely empty everytime.
It's fine for Prospectors, so not 'mining is completely broken'. The MOLE is broken, mining is fine.
damn I spent 3 hours looking for Q asteroids, found like 5, with like 7 percent being the best.. am I doing something wrong? im searching in band 1 btw, but half of what i find is glitched and unscannable
Unfortunatley unscannable rocks are the norm right now. Quantainium deposits can have 2.1% to 50% Quantainium concentrations, but are heavily skewed towards the lower end of the scale. 90% of what you find will be 10% or less.