“Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:” Isaiah 46:10 KJV Amen!
If you took time to watch the video- That’s exactly what it was saying - “yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.” I Corinthians 8:6 NKJV
Someone explain to me. I always thought the adventists believed in trinity. We may not use that term, but the same concept. God the father, God the son, and Holy Spirit, 3 persons but one God. So what’s the problem of being Trinidadian. I’m confused.
@@aikiminomori2261nope. And the God of the Bible didn’t say his spirit was another god being person. God also didn’t tell us to rename him and call him a Trinity god.
@ so SDA believes in 2 God in one instead of three? I was born in SDA and grew up in SDA. We’ve always believed in three in one God wherever we went. There are many verses that suggest the Holy Spirit is God, although the term Trinity is not used. And I do believe the Holy Spirit is God, the comforter whom Christ has sent to us. The power and authority that the Holy Spirit has is not that of a created being. If the Spirit is not created being, what else is it but God?
You drink the wine of Babylon believing the translation of the Catholic priest Jerome of “begotten” instead of “Unic”. Catholics and Anti-trinitarians believe that only the Father is eternal.
How can we have joy when there is tribulation in the church. God will hold responsible all who are making this situation a means of attacking the church
Trying to debate the Trinitarian viewpoint with non Trinitarian believers is futile. They are forever insulting other believers who dare to try and debate the issue. The same happens when you want to debate a flat earth versus a round earth. Never the twain shall meet.🥴
This whole thing with the MI conference and Kelly/Vine is getting way too blown up. Which says to every SDA be very cautious and wary of what you listen to, and don’t think you know what’s best. This is fertile ground for off shoots and people with an ax to grind to latch on to. Be extremely cautious.
About the trinity, that has not affected my belief in Jesus. Jesus was baptised he said Father, Son and Holy Spirit, what's the problem, the all make up LOVE that what God wants. WHAT is it you aim to prove.
@jamesblyden2300 This Pastor accuses Trinity believers within the SDA church of worshipping a false God. I personally disagree with his views because I accept that no human being can accurately explain the mystery and majesty of the Godhead. In both instances, selective verse picking can be used to confirm both views. I personally have no problem if this Pastor rejects the Trinity, but to publically accuse Trinitarians of serving a false God is totally untrue and unacceptable and I have stopped trying to debate this issue as the response from them is always insulting and aggressive.
@@eugenelombard960 The problem with trinity is that it leads to a false belief that human beings are triune as well, that people have a soul rather than that they are living souls. This perverts the crucifixion, in that Jesus didn’t really die, his soul went on living, and he went and preached to other disembodied souls living in “Abraham’s Bosom”. This leads to the confusion that when a person dies, there soul goes to heaven to be with Jesus, so Christians don’t really die either. Most Christians are confused about “soul” thanks mostly to trinity. The KJV translation also contributes to this confusion. The trinity gospel is very different from a non-trinity gospel.
@@eugenelombard960 why than do those who claim the beliefs in the trinity, which is called a mystery, define and defend it? Why isn’t it found in holy scripture? Or in SOP? Why does it show up in the Roman Catholic beliefs and now the sdagc beliefs?
@marklastimoso Regarding the conflict in the denomination today, both Ellen White and other early Adventists testify that faithfulness to the spirit of the pioneers does not mean never varying from the precise understandings they held. As J. N. Andrews declared in 1854: “If the Advent body itself were to furnish the fathers and the saints for the future church, Heaven pity the people that should live hereafter. Reader, we entreat you to prize your Bible." In 1883 Ellen White agreed. “Greater light shines upon us than shone upon our fathers,” she urged. Therefore, “we cannot be accepted or honored of God in rendering the same service, or doing the same works, that our fathers did. In order to be accepted and blessed of God as they were, we must imitate their faithfulness and zeal,-improve our light as they improved theirs,-and do as they would have done had they lived in our day. We must walk in the light which shines upon us, otherwise that light will become darkness.”
Ron Kelly and Conrad Vine are both controlled opposition. Hegelian dialectic. They are also BOTH trinitarians. Ellen White says, you cannot preach Jesus without the three angels messages. Those are the messages from heaven for our time. Which includes, “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4 KJV. Which means you cannot embrace the doctrines of Rome, such as trinity. Amen!
Actually the ones that follow the doctrines of Rome are the anti-trinitarians embracing Jerome’s translation of the Greek word “monogenes” to begotten instead of “unic”. Catholics and Anti-trinitarians believe that only the Father is eternal. False teaching Isaiah 9:6; 44:6 Revelation 1:17-18
@ Beget. Born. After it’s kind. Jesus is in the image of his Father. One who is “like “ God= the name Michael. Gen we find Eve came out of Adam. Jesus came out of God.
During Ellen Whites time there were wolves in sheeps clothing at the top. Eventually the church went on. Where are you expecting church members to run.
Ron Kelly isn't a ex-pastor, he's still a pastor.
Ex Ptr of VSDAC
The title is: the son of
“Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:” Isaiah 46:10 KJV
Amen!
Amen
You forgot Isaiah 44:6
Clear explanation of what’s going on with the Michigan conference - Dr Vine and R. Kelley
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1 Cor 8:6
If you took time to watch the video- That’s exactly what it was saying -
“yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.”
I Corinthians 8:6 NKJV
Someone explain to me. I always thought the adventists believed in trinity. We may not use that term, but the same concept. God the father, God the son, and Holy Spirit, 3 persons but one God. So what’s the problem of being Trinidadian. I’m confused.
The SCRIPTURE does not teach trinity. 1 COR 8:6, The SOP does not teach trinity. John 17:3
@ so we don’t believe in the Holy Spirit as God?
@ I got baptized in the name of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Is my baptism illegitimate then?
@@aikiminomori2261nope. And the God of the Bible didn’t say his spirit was another god being person. God also didn’t tell us to rename him and call him a Trinity god.
@ so SDA believes in 2 God in one instead of three?
I was born in SDA and grew up in SDA. We’ve always believed in three in one God wherever we went. There are many verses that suggest the Holy Spirit is God, although the term Trinity is not used. And I do believe the Holy Spirit is God, the comforter whom Christ has sent to us. The power and authority that the Holy Spirit has is not that of a created being.
If the Spirit is not created being, what else is it but God?
thing is Ron Kelly was quite nasty regarding non-trinitarians
That's right
I agree with you. He did not show any mercy to us non-trinitarians
A non- trinitarian is denying part of the Godhead so he is just defending God. I support him on that!
@@cliffmorgan3071 I didn't hear him. What part is he denying?
A whole grown man failing to understand the trinity. 😂
Trinity is unscriptural. 1 Cor 8:6. It is the wine of babylon
You drink the wine of Babylon believing the translation of the Catholic priest Jerome of “begotten” instead of “Unic”.
Catholics and Anti-trinitarians believe that only the Father is eternal.
Pastor Ron KelkyIS NOT EX SDA. B REMOVE UOUR HEADLINE.
Ex Pastor of VSDAC voted MI Conf
How can we have joy when there is tribulation in the church. God will hold responsible all who are making this
situation a means of attacking the church
GC SDA departed from the original faith of the SDA in 1980. The CORP has apostatized!
Trying to debate the Trinitarian viewpoint with non Trinitarian believers is futile.
They are forever insulting other believers who dare to try and debate the issue. The same happens when you want to debate a flat earth versus a round earth. Never the twain shall meet.🥴
SDA pioneers non trinity vs SDA apostates trinity
This whole thing with the MI conference and Kelly/Vine is getting way too blown up. Which says to every SDA be very cautious and wary of what you listen to, and don’t think you know what’s best. This is fertile ground for off shoots and people with an ax to grind to latch on to. Be extremely cautious.
1980 SDA apostatized from Bible truth. 1872 SDA is the TRUE FAITH. GC SDA is the largest offshot and is a counterfeit SDA.
I guess St. Paul had an ax to grind too😉 and so did Mrs. White when she sent her tithe to the blacks.
About the trinity, that has not affected my belief in Jesus. Jesus was baptised he said Father, Son and Holy Spirit, what's the problem, the all make up LOVE that what God wants. WHAT is it you aim to prove.
@jamesblyden2300
This Pastor accuses Trinity believers within the SDA church of worshipping a false God. I personally disagree with his views because I accept that no human being can accurately explain the mystery and majesty of the Godhead.
In both instances, selective verse picking can be used to confirm both views.
I personally have no problem if this Pastor rejects the Trinity, but to publically accuse Trinitarians of serving a false God is totally untrue and unacceptable and I have stopped trying to debate this issue as the response from them is always insulting and aggressive.
Baptized in the NAME and into CHRIST's death and resurrection. Acts 2:38
3 in 1 is idolatry yes.
@@eugenelombard960 The problem with trinity is that it leads to a false belief that human beings are triune as well, that people have a soul rather than that they are living souls. This perverts the crucifixion, in that Jesus didn’t really die, his soul went on living, and he went and preached to other disembodied souls living in “Abraham’s Bosom”. This leads to the confusion that when a person dies, there soul goes to heaven to be with Jesus, so Christians don’t really die either. Most Christians are confused about “soul” thanks mostly to trinity. The KJV translation also contributes to this confusion. The trinity gospel is very different from a non-trinity gospel.
@@eugenelombard960 why than do those who claim the beliefs in the trinity, which is called a mystery, define and defend it? Why isn’t it found in holy scripture? Or in SOP? Why does it show up in the Roman Catholic beliefs and now the sdagc beliefs?
@marklastimoso
Regarding the conflict in the denomination today, both Ellen White and other early Adventists testify that faithfulness to the spirit of the pioneers does not mean never varying from the precise understandings they held. As J. N. Andrews declared in 1854: “If the Advent body itself were to furnish the fathers and the saints for the future church, Heaven pity the people that should live hereafter. Reader, we entreat you to prize your Bible."
In 1883 Ellen White agreed. “Greater light shines upon us than shone upon our fathers,” she urged. Therefore, “we cannot be accepted or honored of God in rendering the same service, or doing the same works, that our fathers did. In order to be accepted and blessed of God as they were, we must imitate their faithfulness and zeal,-improve our light as they improved theirs,-and do as they would have done had they lived in our day. We must walk in the light which shines upon us, otherwise that light will become darkness.”
EGW, SDA pioneers were non trinitarians and stood w/ the 1872 SDA FP not the 1980 trinity. 1 Cor 8:6
Ellan white says the church will not fall, but if we all run away the church will fall. The people are the church not conferences.
Yes the 1872 SDA not the 1980 SDA
@marklastimoso according to you? LOL
If that's true, wait until you find out just how many people there are in other denominations who comprise the church.
Ron Kelly and Conrad Vine are both controlled opposition. Hegelian dialectic. They are also BOTH trinitarians. Ellen White says, you cannot preach Jesus without the three angels messages. Those are the messages from heaven for our time.
Which includes, “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4 KJV. Which means you cannot embrace the doctrines of Rome, such as trinity.
Amen!
Amen
!!
Actually the ones that follow the doctrines of Rome are the anti-trinitarians embracing Jerome’s translation of the Greek word “monogenes” to begotten instead of “unic”.
Catholics and Anti-trinitarians believe that only the Father is eternal. False teaching
Isaiah 9:6; 44:6
Revelation 1:17-18
@ Beget. Born. After it’s kind. Jesus is in the image of his Father. One who is “like “ God= the name Michael.
Gen we find Eve came out of Adam. Jesus came out of God.
@ that’s interesting because Rome says the opposite, and there is no Trinitarian terminology in the holy Scriptures.
During Ellen Whites time there were wolves in sheeps clothing at the top. Eventually the church went on. Where are you expecting church members to run.
Original SDA were non trinitarians.
God say bring the money to the store house. It's Gods money, l shouldn't make my own decision where l want it to go. God is in control
SDA trinity is a counterfeit church
The Triune GOD is Biblical.
Exo 20:3, Deut 6:4, John 4:24