This pastor is one of few truthful ones remaining in our church, he's been able to navigate sensitive issues that affects societies and our church. I listened to this sermon carefully and found out that the sermon is well balanced. God bless you abundantly pastor Ron
Pastor, with all my due respect, the title of your sermon is confusing and sounds gaslithing. First, you failed to quote bible verses that validate your choice of the title. You might not realize that you left doors for your good philosophy to be misinterpreted by either groups. Secondly, Pastor, Romans 1: 21-27 is too clear. The true cause of this type of sin is idolatry. The bible is clear on how to deal with idolatry and its fruits within ourselves 1 Corinth 5: 11-13. I understanding you want to preach love and understanding, but your approach can bring forth dangerous fallacies especially to your youth. The devil has been very good at that... . There re so many reason why God ask us to be strict in that particular matter. It is devious, contagious, subtle, but dangerously defiling and difficult to be eradicated once you start contemplating compromise. Please Pastor, present the bible instead of your own reasoning. Be straight to the point
Only by the Word of God: ". . . if they speak not according to this thing, there is no light in them." Be like the Bereans is my plea. Seek for yourself. No pastor, however lofty he may be, should be your guide. There is only ONE moral compass.
I am aghast at all the apostasy within the church "organizations"!!! I CANNOT WILL NOT be Silent .... Loma Linda, Andrews, Hawaii GC president promoting tours of Love Reality, the g.c. leaders and admin and "pastors"... embracing ecumenism LITERALLY holding hands with the beast IN ROME and lgbtq XYZ lifestyles hosting pride month, actively gay and trans pastors and, canceling members and 0h too much more!!! Too many abominations to mention!!! Praying !!! I am far from perfect but God promises to complete the good work He began in me/us!!! if you are not aware of all of what I've stated, please do your due diligence!!! 😢
I see much **Change from you in these last few months. NOT Of Good as you have shown you’re on the fence as to Gods Ways in scripture! Many per these final times share that the greatest lights will *Go Out! Please don’t be this person…. 😢🙏🙏
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
I think you miss understand. The only person you need to worry about is God....... not your family. Not your church. If you don't read the bible. And take every word for what is.... how do you know what Gods word is?????? Being Gay is a sin. But if i look at my life and i am selfish, prideful, arrogant, love myself more than others. That is just as bad. Do we put Gods word first? Do we care? Do we even ask what Gods will is? Because obedience is the test for heaven, not do as i wish and God will save me even if i transgress all the laws. We can only change by asking the holy spirit to change our life. Ron Kellys sermon was Spot on.
@Sabby899-qp1dw wrong, we don't ask the Holy Spirit to change us, we ask God and Jesus to SEND the Holy Spirit to us so that we may know the word, and will of God and will allow GOD to change us through his Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not to be asked anything lest we be worshipping it. We are only to worship the Father and the Son. Paul in all his letter nowhere in the beginnings or endings of his letters to the churches from Roman's to Hebrews, nor James or any other apostle, give thanks and praise to anyone but the Father and the Son. Not the holy spirit. We are to ask the Father and the Son for their Holy Spirit. The Trinity is not biblical.
*Improper title for a sermon.* - *I certainly would not use such a title for a sermon such as "Good Reasons TO Be Gay"* - *Why?* - *Because there is no good reason to be gay.* - *[Read 2 Peter 2:6-8; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:25-32 et al]* "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." Proverbs 14:12 cf., 16:25 NASB "For the wages of sin is death..." Romans 6:23 "...when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death." James 1:15 NASB "Evil shall slay the wicked, And those who hate the righteous will be condemned." Psalms 34:21 NASB "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:6 NASB1995 "Do not let sin control the way you live; do not give in to sinful desires. Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God." Romans 6:12-13 NLT "Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?" Romans 6:16 NASB "Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?" Romans 7:24 NASB *The Bible makes it crystal clear that Christ will judge everyone before He returns:* - *“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to reward each one as his work deserves.”* Revelation 22:12. [See also Lk 18:7; John 5:22-27; 2 Tim 4:1,8; Hebrews 10:30; Rev 19:11]. *“And I will kill her children with death; and *all the churches shall know that •I AM HE WHICH SEARCHETH the reins and hearts: and *I WILL GIVE UNTO EVERY ONE OF YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS”* - *Rev. 2:23.* *When are sins blotted out?* The Bible teaches that our sins are blotted out when we repent: *’I HAVE BLOTTED OUT, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.’* Isaiah 44:22 *The Bible teaches that our sins are blotted out when we repent:* ‘Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, *when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.’* Acts 3:19 *‘…and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.’* 1 John 1:7
This is by far the most Divine Message I've heard in my adult life as a Seventh day Adventist that needs addresing! My heart has become very discouraged with the direction our church has taken not addressing issues with times which we are living! Im rather taken back by some comments slamming the title which is Certainly by Divine Appt to reach that One person God desires to capture! God Bless You Pastor!
Dear Pastor Kelly...from a South Australian viewer...I have greatly appreciated your messages for a long time now, but I would love to hear more Spirit of Prophesy support during your sermons. I do understand the point of your message, but Inspiration reminds us, “Sin is an intruder, for whose presence no reason can be given. It is mysterious, unaccountable; to excuse it is to defend it. Could excuse for it be found, or cause be shown for its existence, it would cease to be sin.” So then, I understand this statement to be true...there are NO good reasons for being gay...NONE whatsoever.
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
you must be one of those people who review a book on Amazon based solely on its cover picture. Unlike you, I discliplined myself and listened to it in its entirety. At no point did he excuse the sin. He defined it. He explained its root causes. He gave real life examples of people who got victory - testimonies. And finally he gave a solution: there's power in the blood of Jesus.
This man has had to navigate some really muddy and troubled waters. It ain't easy, friends. Support this man. If he made/makes a mistake, support him. Don't condemn him. This sermon right here is so needed and so powerfully done. I've read a LOT of negative comments on this sermon. I think those folks probably either didn't listen or listened 1/2 way. This was so balanced and Bible based.. Thank you, brother, for addressing this.
I accept that we should treat our fellowman with love whoever they are as Jesus did without prejudice but he didn't say that they had a reason to be who they were. We all have to deal with temptation and sin . For axample if a person is tempted to steal and he stole and then said he stole because of what he's been through rejection etc. The courts would not accept that argument. Neither Jesus that's why he told the woman that was in adultery to go and sin no more.
The court at times grant leniency based of the fact that it's the person's first conviction. you state that Jesus also "would not accept the argument" but you also state that "He told the woman that was in adultery to go and sin no more". In your comment not only did Jesus grant her leniency, she also got off "go and sin no more"
@@DebraMoore-o3x She didnt get off, her debt was paid by Jesus, NO ONE EVERY gets off yes we are standing here to day but our DEBTS were still paid JESUS DIED that wasnt her getting off, because getting off means the debt wouldnt have been paid our LORD our KING DIED for sins and each of us, so please please show more respect t the sacrifice of our Lord in your words
All my due respect, we do love every human being, either one may be prostitute, gay , lesbian, drug addict , mafia but my point is what Lord Jesus Christ says today : Repent and Sin no more. Let The Holy Spirit Change one's life for The Glory of Elohim. Amen.
Kelly asks: “Could we actually accept someone on the journey away from sin?” If I understood Kelly correctly, does this mean we should baptize homosexuals who claim they are on a “journey away from this sin”? If so, should we then also baptize a man with multiple wives who says he is on a “journey” away from polygamy? What about an alcoholic who says, “I am on a journey away from drinking”? Or a thief who says, “I am on a journey away from stealing”? If this is indeed Kelly’s message, then such a human theory of inclusion would lead to the downfall of the SDA Church. However, I am not entirely sure I understood the message correctly. I must admit that I find it challenging to follow sermons that are unclear and lack direct, precise formulations, leaving them open to multiple interpretations. Is it only me who’s not able to interpret Kelly correctly?
Pastor Kelly has never been afraid to call sin by its right name. The process of baptism is intended to be an evaluation of someone's status and relationship with God. Call it God's theory of inclusion, not that of man. If someone is afflicted with any kind of sin, they must repent and show signs of transformation in their life before they can be baptized into the church.
@@villagemediaministry. Does this mean that if I am asked in the babtism wows if I abstain from unclean meats and alcohol, I can just answer: “I am on my journey away from it”?
@@villagemediaministry. To me, it seems that Kelly is employing “common fire” by playing with words in his title, provoking us to explore his perspective. This approach, however, is not befitting of any godly man or woman. Furthermore, I find it deeply troubling that it is so difficult for you (Village Church) to provide a clear biblical answer about conversion from sin, using the same kind of language the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy use on this specific sin. Kelly appeared to insinuate that employing biblical language could be perceived as unkind or “not inclusive.” Honestly, I am not a fan of the term “inclusive.” It strikes me as leftist rhetoric, and here in Denmark, it is used constantly in the media by the political left. Now, it seems to have become a loophole for welcoming unconverted sinners into our churches. Unfortunately, that is precisely what I see happening everywhere.
I really think this title is confusing. There is no “good” reason to be gay, but I would say that there are real reasons (and there is nothing good about those reasons) and causes that influence people to choose the gay lifestyle! No, Pastor! There is no good reason to be gay! You mix truth with error, and give a false sound to that “trumpet!” Just enough to confuse everybody listening.
The title is referring to what a gay person believes are good reasons to be gay. Pastor Kelly is showing them a better way than each of those reasons. He isn't advocating that being gay is good, not at all.
There's no good reason to be Homosexual. Pr. Ron Kelly need to use the real word to address homosexuality and not to use slang words to explain sin.Jesus said "Go and Sin no more period.
Come as you are, but don’t stay where you are either. God’s Word sanctifies. A progressive path from disobedience to obedience. Through the power of the Holy Spirit. “Such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, and you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus by the Spirit of our God.” 1Cor.6.11,MEV
A provocative title indeed. There is a time i was really blessed with Ron Kelly preaching but since he supported cancellation of Conrad Vine his preaching sounds hollow to me.
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
Sin must be repented of and turned totally turned away from it. I love Ron Kelly and Conrad Vine and I want all sin preached against. I want to be with Father God for all eternity washed in the blood of Jesus who is our only hope! Preach it my brothers!
The good thing is that the rainbow these group uses is not exactly the same rainbow described in the Bible and it doesn’t have the colors as this group has designed.
Exactly ... when I was a child, my favorite TV cartoon series sang at the end of its theme song lyrics, " ... we'll have a gay 'ol time!". Very different times back then.
True words but Topic should be different. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah. Remember that none of those so involved were saved. Some will take this Sermon as a reason to be so involved.
Wow. What an incredibly insightful perspective! Helped me tremendously think and consider how to love and reach the LGBTQ and helped me not be fearful to stand and be a place of refuge by the Power of the Blood 🩸. Thank you so much for an incredible journey through a difficult subject. While many will read the title of this and judge- listen without prejudice- no matter what your perspective is. RonKelly ❤ God bless you. Jesus chose the house of Lazarus for a purpose. I think this man is “too forward thinking” to a “closed” mind…
Pastor Kelly is one of my favourite preachers but I don't think the title to this message was divinely sought. There are absolutely no good reasons to be gay, adulterous, murderer, and thieves, and the list goes on.
The title is referring to what a gay person believes are good reasons to be gay. Pastor Kelly is showing them a better way than each of those reasons. He isn't advocating that being gay is good, not at all.
So the title would have been What gay believe Good Reasons to gay. It could have make sense but the title it self reflects other way round@@cosudu3002
I have good friends that are gay. They believe they don't make a choice to be gay. They just are gay. It's one thing to be gay. It's another to live the gay lifestyle. I believe that we should be able to accept a celibate gay just like we would a heterosexual. It's the gay sexual act that is immoral. It's not the gay person, as long as they refrain from the gay lifestyle.
Absolutely wrong calling gay. Good Woe to them that call evil good and good evil Who put darkness for light snd light for darkness, who put bitter for sweetness and sweetness go bitter Shamefull
I agree. I realize he is taking these reasons from the point of view of the gay person and is showing them a better way. But yes, a question mark would have been a good idea.
he says quite clearly through out the entire thing these are good reason by societies standardds so there is no need for a question mark it a clear statement that society thinks these are good reasons
It is no longer possible for truth-seeking people to find trust in words uttered by one surrounded by such a thick cloud of hypocrisy. Its not about how well you craft your words together, it is about what has been revealed to be in your heart. Repentance is what many long to hear from those lips.
A lot of these comments are the effect of listening to slander by Prophesy Again and Amazing Word. Some of these men have engaged in immorality just as evil as LGBT. They should never touch a pulpit anymore. Another one published fake flyers about this man of God. What do you think about that?
God doesn’t condemn but He doesn’t condone either. “Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God-severity toward those who fell, but goodness toward you, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.” Rom.11.22,
As I listened to this sermon from the beginning to the end, I was thinking of one individual whom God liberated from a life of condemnation to one of victory. Thank God that she became an unashamed witness who could boldly declare, "Come see a man..." There are more examples in the Word. To the best of my understanding, enabed by the Holy Spirit, the Pastor was not condoning a lifestyle that God describes as being an abomination. If ever there was a time in the history of this church that we are desperately in need of prayer, it is NOW. May the Holy Spirit annoint our eyes with eyesalve and grant us wisdom and understanding to do only the will of God. Let it start in me Lord.
Pastor Kelly was simply being sarcastic in his sermon. Do not draw your conclusions before listening to the message. “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him” (Proverbs 18:13).
Pr.your message appears to be in the right direction.Is this a big problem on our campuses now? When i was a student in the 1950’s it was there but rarer.
It surprised me...that title...decided to read the comments....then I got it. I wonder why this pastor preaches looking at the floor most of the time during his sermons? It is weird.
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
I have not been listening to pastor Kelly since the whole cancellation happened. This goes to show you that Dr. Vine's message was so on point and needed for this very time. We are now seeing the writing on the wall. With regards to this message... I love every one of my brothers and sisters regardless of their life choices. Now, I will not accept nor agree to their choices but also, I will not accept listening to an SDA pastor that says he preaches present truth and is trying to tell his congregation that eventhough its a sin but that we need to be more understanding. Pastor Kelly, you have opened the door for satan to embed his lies within your congregation, all those watching and especially the youth. Please be prayerful and ask God to give you clarity on the messages that you bring into God's house and to His people.
@JulietteSasek if you actually read my comment I didn't say that he said we need to accept sin because then that would be egregious on his part. I said, that he said that we should be understanding. I also said that I love all of our brothers and sisters but will not accept a pastor preaching this type of confusing message.
@@HelenPZ sorry, I think I did misunderstand what you said. And yes, we should be understanding as we all have sinned and many are in bondage. Being understanding of someone’s struggles is not condoning their sin. We can sympathize with their struggle while loving them and pointing them to Jesus who can help them to overcome.
@JulietteSasek if agree that we need to be loving and compassionate, you are 100% correct. My issue is with pastor Kelly preaching this type of message in our churches. You and I, as faithful women of Christ, know that we need to be loving and compassionate. So when I come to church, especially in today's time, I want to hear a present Bible truth filled message. Not a message where now I question the way that I go about understanding and somewhat sympathizing (even though we know it's wrong) someone's lifestyle. Even though you and I understood the premise of his message, others may not and may, in fact, be confused.
The testimonies he mentions are the ones delivered at the Jesus and Wholistic Sexuality conference this year. The videos are being uploaded to our channel, and you can watch the archived livestreams on our channel as well.
I have no problem with this title if you mean “happy” how the old English adopted this old word from the French. But as far as the title is very ambiguous, I would not spend a minute to break my Sabbath listening with any possibly outrageous, unbiblical, heretic idea. My conviction is that God loves homosexuals, prostitutes, adulterers, fornicators, hackers, spammers, occult practicers, bank robbers, murderers, as well as all less sinners. That’s why Jesus came to save us all from our sins and NOT IN OUR SINS. I won’t give a try to listen to your sermon, I like my peace, especially on the Sabbath.
Is it question or afirmitive. Think deeply and pray with love in your heart no judgement! Even to save one soul who can be converted. There is always a message in a sermon for everyone.
Pastor, your message is extremely inspirational and profoundly deep. Those who don't understand the contents should ask that their eyes be washed with eyesalve that they may see. Pray that THE MONARCH OF THE GALAXY will continue to use you to glorify HIS NAME.
Thankyou pastor Kelly for looking after those people who have wanted to have validation it's hard being gay and be a God fearing Christian and giving us all strength to fight this spiritual battle not to give in to the devils temptations.
The title is very misleading and controversial. Maybe rename it Good Reasons People Are Gay. 11:40 1. Born that way. 26:14 2. Shaped that way. 27:37 3. Society encourages it. 31:12 4. Nobody's going to warn you that it's not [good to be gay]. 35:31 5. A lot of ignorance and marginalization in society. 36:51 6. Lots of churches find it easier to preach against being gay rather than love gay people. 40:40 7. Absence of Christian counsellors who understand the issue.
I disagree with this man on the sin of homosexuality or any sin not being a choice, I say that only because. the Bible says this, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." All temptation according to this is not "uncommon" meaning the pull of the temptation is the same for all mankind and all temptations including Homosexuality. If "we resist" God is FAITHFUL and will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear. Meaning if you give in it is because you CHOOSE to and you CHOOSE not to resist. We are saved FROM sin no IN our SINS. Sorry Pastor Kelly you can work to gain sympathy for sinner but that doesn't reconcile them with God. Why do we feel sorry for the gays but not the adulterers or the thief? Isn't a thief born a thief? The thief doesn't have a choice either according to your logic or there is a differentiation within the realm of sin that frankly I can't find anywhere in the Bible except the sin of blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. It must be said we are infiltrate by the enemy and the false doctrine is coming out of the wood work. EVEN THE VERY ELECT WILL BE DECEIVED IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. Sister white said we would be infiltrated by these learned smooth taking men and quite frankly those Jesuits are like mice they can get into the tiny spaces and find their way in. Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing. By their fruits ye shall know them.
What if you are a gay person who doesn't know anything about what the Bible says and has run into judgmental Christians who are unkind to them. I don't know the struggle of being gay and then having my heart moved to question being gay (because I am not gay). I only know my own struggles and how hard they are, however, my struggles are accepted in Church or at least not really condemned. How confusing it must be also, to be told by some churches that being gay is not a sin and yet you feel that different conviction tug at your heart? I just cannot imagine going through years of being gay and then going through years of being confused and wanting answers but you run up against unloving, condemning Christians.
@@cosudu3002 Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. We are to resist temptation and God is faithful and will give a way out so that we are not overcome by it. Nothing special just go and sin no more.
Just stopped by here long enough to say that Ron Kelly had a spine during the pandemic but lost it somewhere between then and when he failed to protest the cancelation of Conrad Vine. I pray he will repent.
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
Sorry. Very muvh meaning well. Please do not miss the point. The focus of his preaching is no to reafirm doctrinal reality but to keep in check our carnal humane particular attitudes. True love for sinful souls separate the dogmas from the bonds of mercy. He was not preaching to the choir. May God bless pastor Kelly. Very courageous😢
To simply say I am born this way, is an old excuse. The number of people born that way is not as many as some may think. But when you associate yourself with gay people, you will be influenced.
There is NO GAY GENE. No one is born gay. What does happen is that male babies fed soy formula have changes to their testosterone hormone at a crucial time in their development. Soy mimics the female hormone estrogen! Too much estrogen and a baby grows up to be a "girly man" or a "Soy boy." Soy damages the thyroid, too. Adventists should avoid soy in any form.
@@cosudu3002 Granted. But people are influenced by the friends they keep. E.g. that young man that went on a rampage at the school with a rifle killing children and teachers. Then it came he was bullied. Being bullied is not an excuse to kill people. He was not born to kill. But what did his parents do. He should have been supported and taken to therapy. But he allowed himself to be influenced by the websites on rifles and ammunition. The same with gays. Years ago someone will not surface as gay. So they learned to support each other. So if you are friends with gays and they support you, it is much easier to transition to being gay.
Today, one of our members delivered this sermon to the congregation. We have children and teenagers watching the video sermon, and it is difficult to understand, particularly for the younger children. I am very concerned and bothered about this subject.
Preach on pastor, preach! Thank you for being brave. God be with you always till the end of the age. That is His promise. Keep on! We are calling a spade, a spade, and not a big spoon! So help us God.
Now I can hear the agent of satan only, your topic reveals it all. This is not the time of preaching such messages, this time is for preaching the,Three Angels messages.
While I am not an SDA member nor do I believe inn the trinity. I do believe in the Bible it is truth/ I very really listen to any SDA preacher however, I listen to this man and I enjoyed his sermon his openess and teaching truth on this subject. Thank you.
I congratulate Pastor Kelly for taking this stand. I would personally take it even a bit further. We are all sinners, and Christ is in the heavenly sanctuary working on all of us. Who is to say my sin is any "better" than someone else's. I say leave the topic alone, but I know that won't happen.
It is a good title. Can you see how it's exposing the seasoned Christians? They have forgotten so easily that they were sinning terribly and still is sinning. But because other persons sin is being Gay, then they should be condemned and don't deserved to be saved. PS: I am not a Gay person. I am total Heterosexual. The Bible stands and not what we feel about how some sins should be treated.
You sold Conrad Vine out that was weak and cowardly. You like preaching the truth, but you don’t like walking in it. there is still time to make up for it. God is just and merciful and good in every way.
You are part of the problem because instead of wanting to dialogue you accuse, no different from the same people that accuse Vine. Vine and Kelly are filled with the Holy Spirit and may God continue to use both men. I pray that God can open up your eyes before it is too late for you.
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.you need to understand the context this camp has brought helped many people out of gay life or addictions He is saying to that cohort being a gay not practicing nor acting out tendencies our God says to them they are loved for wanting to follow God's laws.
So your next sermon is going to be "Good reasons to be an adulterer??". Stop tjis bull. Call a sin a sin pastor. Do not deviate from the bible, Leviticus 18.22 clearly says homosexuality is an abomination. Why was Sodom and Gomorrah burned? Read Jude 1.17.
Homosexuality is wrong. Condemning sin is loving and kind. We must not equivocate with this movement that blurs and defaces the image of God as He created us. Call sin by its right name and denounce it as fatal to the happiness of marriage and home
I was waiting for some verses in the Bible that you will read teaching us that there are good reasons to be gay, unfortunately I never heard even a single one
Yes, I agree if Pr Ron Kelly wants to address this particular word he should sites in the bible the books, chapters,and verses including the pages to prove his point.
Im glad he is showing how sin works and how we can address what people struggle with because sometimes we avoid conversations when we don't use scripture to show people we can be all free from sin while on earth. Hearing freedom from sin so many don't think it's possible in anyway
Reading these comments you see the results of slander which is a sin. Why don’t these same people talk about the fake flyers that were posted about this man of God? Individuals that talk against the church can engage in so much immorality and open sin just as evil as LGBTQ but still have followers that follow and defend them in their immorality and still attack the apple of God’s eyes, the object of God’s supreme regard! How can this be? Deceptions in these last days will be so intense that the very elect could be deceived. I pray people wake up…
It's not slander to disagree with the sermon title that conflicts directly with God's word. Think of those who could see that title in passing who didn't watch the video, how they were or could be misled. Whatever contradicts God's word, we may be sure, proceeds from Satan.
Conrad Vine spoke in support of Pastor Kelly following the Michigan conference ban. You can find that also online. Hate is not something of God. We do not have the authority to judge only Jesus does, we do not know the heart. Being a Christian is being Christ like and I don't see that in Your post.
@@mareeshone-howden7772 Conrad Vine is extremely polite... Kelly had the OPTION of enforcing or NOT this uncontitutional ban from the conference. He decided to go along with it... I do not hate Kelly for it. I simply stated that he is NOT inspired by God in what he says and does. He must repent. Yet he is too blind to see this... Being frank about it is not unbiblical or unChrist like!
This is so embarrassing. Why did anyone stay and listen. This sermon from the beginning he is having difficulty making this because there is no substance. Confusion. Pastor Vine was surrounded by wolves. Good thing he's gone. Now the true colors of these men is being discovered. They were uncomfortable with pastor vine there stepping on their toes and affecting their conference financial future. Now the only thing left for the members are a bunch of carnival clowns giving a show but they deserve it for sitting in that building allowing them to silence common sense and conscience and freedom of thought and truth. Now just keep listening to foolishness and your amens and hallelujah is vanity and empty and embarrassing because truly you are allowing the clowns to make a circus of your church. Shame on you.
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
None of the above, it is definitely not from God and even the devil could not have come up with such ingenuity. I pray he repents before it is too late.
Did he just come out? Even the devil cannot beat this unrivaled mixture of truth with error. You cannot excuse sin, to give reasons for sin is to excuse it and then it ceases to be sin - Pr. Ron Kelly, you know better. You can preach the good parts of this message without excusing sin... it was not a mistake, it was deliberate and you will give account.
@@JulietteSasek The man is double tongued this means that he expresses two opposing sentiments in the same breath. Go to minute marker 21:18 where he said, "Whether I was born with a proclivity or whether I was nurtured through the dysfunction of our age and my home the truth of the matter is, is that God gives us the power..." and then he switches his position from the point where he said "now!" and then he said, "To someone that suggests that same sex attraction is a choice, my deepest sympathies go out to you" and then again he said, "No one wakes up and says, "hum I want to have same sex attraction". By the way by saying "Whether I was born with a proclivity... " he is already excusing the sin because we are all born with fallen natures.
I’m confused. Where does the Bible affirm a good reason to be homosexual? Does he know truth from error or has NPR so influenced him that he feels compelled to share this kind of message? He’s just articulate and intelligent enough to confuse most and then turn around and say there are good reasons for this lifestyle?!
God loves sinners but He invites sinners to come to Calvary for washing , cleansing and covering.The sinner who refuses to be cleansed cannot be covered with God's righteousness.
Pastor Kelly, this is a very good title to your sermon. The morale of the Title is tough. Because too many times we make excuses for our behaviors. God bless 😂🙏
Absolutely wrong calling gay. Good Woe to them that call evil good and good evil Who put darkness for light snd light for darkness, who put bitter for sweetness and sweetness go bitter Shamefull The greatest want of the world is the want of men ,,men who will not be bought or sold Men who in their inmost soul are true snd honest..men who don’t fear to call sin by it’s right name , men whose conscience are true to duty as needle to the pole , men who will stand for the right thou the heavens fall
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
Adventists believe in hell. "Those who are raised in the second resurrection will face judgement. They will die a final death that lasts forever. “Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:14, ESV)." www.adventist.org/death-and-resurrection/
1 cor 6 listed what some of you once were before becoming truly born again. Born again definition according to Christianity not false definition the sda beliefs are
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
The title is referring to what a gay person believes are good reasons to be gay. Pastor Kelly is showing them a better way than each of those reasons. He isn't advocating that being gay is good, not at all.
The people in the comments don’t understand. Bunch of bubbles need to be removed and pastor Kelly is doing that you Pharisees. If you still think this is not straight to the point you’ve lost your touch.
This sermon is truly misleading (muddled) as is the title. Trying to use play-on words sounds pretty much like: James 1:8 “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” Salvation is Serious this sermon was tripe. Stop making excuses for sin and get on with righteousness by faith as it is in Jesus! “Cry aloud and spare not!”
This pastor is one of few truthful ones remaining in our church, he's been able to navigate sensitive issues that affects societies and our church. I listened to this sermon carefully and found out that the sermon is well balanced. God bless you abundantly pastor Ron
Pastor, with all my due respect, the title of your sermon is confusing and sounds gaslithing. First, you failed to quote bible verses that validate your choice of the title. You might not realize that you left doors for your good philosophy to be misinterpreted by either groups. Secondly, Pastor, Romans 1: 21-27 is too clear. The true cause of this type of sin is idolatry. The bible is clear on how to deal with idolatry and its fruits within ourselves 1 Corinth 5: 11-13. I understanding you want to preach love and understanding, but your approach can bring forth dangerous fallacies especially to your youth. The devil has been very good at that... . There re so many reason why God ask us to be strict in that particular matter. It is devious, contagious, subtle, but dangerously defiling and difficult to be eradicated once you start contemplating compromise. Please Pastor, present the bible instead of your own reasoning. Be straight to the point
I agree
Only by the Word of God: ". . . if they speak not according to this thing, there is no light in them." Be like the Bereans is my plea. Seek for yourself. No pastor, however lofty he may be, should be your guide. There is only ONE moral compass.
I am aghast at all the apostasy within the church "organizations"!!! I CANNOT WILL NOT be Silent .... Loma Linda, Andrews, Hawaii GC president promoting tours of Love Reality, the g.c. leaders and admin and "pastors"... embracing ecumenism LITERALLY holding hands with the beast IN ROME and lgbtq XYZ lifestyles hosting pride month, actively gay and trans pastors and, canceling members and 0h too much more!!! Too many abominations to mention!!! Praying !!! I am far from perfect but God promises to complete the good work He began in me/us!!! if you are not aware of all of what I've stated, please do your due diligence!!! 😢
I see much **Change from you in these last few months. NOT Of Good as you have shown you’re on the fence as to Gods Ways in scripture! Many per these final times share that the greatest lights will *Go Out! Please don’t be this person…. 😢🙏🙏
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
Come as you are but don't stay as you are!!!
I think you miss understand. The only person you need to worry about is God....... not your family. Not your church. If you don't read the bible. And take every word for what is.... how do you know what Gods word is?????? Being Gay is a sin. But if i look at my life and i am selfish, prideful, arrogant, love myself more than others. That is just as bad. Do we put Gods word first? Do we care? Do we even ask what Gods will is? Because obedience is the test for heaven, not do as i wish and God will save me even if i transgress all the laws. We can only change by asking the holy spirit to change our life.
Ron Kellys sermon was Spot on.
@Sabby899-qp1dw wrong, we don't ask the Holy Spirit to change us, we ask God and Jesus to SEND the Holy Spirit to us so that we may know the word, and will of God and will allow GOD to change us through his Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not to be asked anything lest we be worshipping it. We are only to worship the Father and the Son. Paul in all his letter nowhere in the beginnings or endings of his letters to the churches from Roman's to Hebrews, nor James or any other apostle, give thanks and praise to anyone but the Father and the Son. Not the holy spirit. We are to ask the Father and the Son for their Holy Spirit. The Trinity is not biblical.
*Improper title for a sermon.* - *I certainly would not use such a title for a sermon such as "Good Reasons TO Be Gay"* - *Why?* - *Because there is no good reason to be gay.* - *[Read 2 Peter 2:6-8; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:25-32 et al]*
"There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." Proverbs 14:12 cf., 16:25 NASB
"For the wages of sin is death..." Romans 6:23
"...when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death." James 1:15 NASB
"Evil shall slay the wicked, And those who hate the righteous will be condemned." Psalms 34:21 NASB
"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:6 NASB1995
"Do not let sin control the way you live; do not give in to sinful desires. Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God." Romans 6:12-13 NLT
"Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?" Romans 6:16 NASB
"Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?" Romans 7:24 NASB
*The Bible makes it crystal clear that Christ will judge everyone before He returns:* - *“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to reward each one as his work deserves.”* Revelation 22:12. [See also Lk 18:7; John 5:22-27; 2 Tim 4:1,8; Hebrews 10:30; Rev 19:11].
*“And I will kill her children with death; and *all the churches shall know that •I AM HE WHICH SEARCHETH the reins and hearts: and *I WILL GIVE UNTO EVERY ONE OF YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS”* - *Rev. 2:23.*
*When are sins blotted out?* The Bible teaches that our sins are blotted out when we repent: *’I HAVE BLOTTED OUT, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.’* Isaiah 44:22
*The Bible teaches that our sins are blotted out when we repent:* ‘Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, *when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.’* Acts 3:19
*‘…and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.’* 1 John 1:7
This is by far the most Divine Message I've heard in my adult life as a Seventh day Adventist that needs addresing! My heart has become very discouraged with the direction our church has taken not addressing issues with times which we are living! Im rather taken back by some comments slamming the title which is Certainly by Divine Appt to reach that One person God desires to capture! God Bless You Pastor!
Dear Pastor Kelly...from a South Australian viewer...I have greatly appreciated your messages for a long time now, but I would love to hear more Spirit of Prophesy support during your sermons. I do understand the point of your message, but Inspiration reminds us, “Sin is an intruder, for whose presence no reason can be given. It is mysterious, unaccountable; to excuse it is to defend it. Could excuse for it be found, or cause be shown for its existence, it would cease to be sin.”
So then, I understand this statement to be true...there are NO good reasons for being gay...NONE whatsoever.
@peterearle...did you listen to the sermon? I don't get that impression 🙈🙈
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
Yes, of course I did. But I would rather follow the inspired instruction from the Lord's Messenger, than the convoluted words of a mere man.
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you must be one of those people who review a book on Amazon based solely on its cover picture. Unlike you, I discliplined myself and listened to it in its entirety. At no point did he excuse the sin. He defined it. He explained its root causes. He gave real life examples of people who got victory - testimonies. And finally he gave a solution: there's power in the blood of Jesus.
This man has had to navigate some really muddy and troubled waters. It ain't easy, friends. Support this man. If he made/makes a mistake, support him. Don't condemn him. This sermon right here is so needed and so powerfully done. I've read a LOT of negative comments on this sermon. I think those folks probably either didn't listen or listened 1/2 way. This was so balanced and Bible based.. Thank you, brother, for addressing this.
I accept that we should treat our fellowman with love whoever they are as Jesus did without prejudice but he didn't say that they had a reason to be who they were. We all have to deal with temptation and sin . For axample if a person is tempted to steal and he stole and then said he stole because of what he's been through rejection etc. The courts would not accept that argument. Neither Jesus that's why he told the woman that was in adultery to go and sin no more.
The court at times grant leniency based of the fact that it's the person's first conviction. you state that Jesus also "would not accept the argument" but you also state that "He told the woman that was in adultery to go and sin no more". In your comment not only did Jesus grant her leniency, she also got off "go and sin no more"
@@DebraMoore-o3x She didnt get off, her debt was paid by Jesus, NO ONE EVERY gets off yes we are standing here to day but our DEBTS were still paid JESUS DIED that wasnt her getting off, because getting off means the debt wouldnt have been paid our LORD our KING DIED for sins and each of us, so please please show more respect t the sacrifice of our Lord in your words
All my due respect, we do love every human being, either one may be prostitute, gay , lesbian, drug addict , mafia but my point is what Lord Jesus Christ says today : Repent and Sin no more. Let The Holy Spirit Change one's life for The Glory of Elohim. Amen.
He wasn't trying to preach to the choir, the provocative title was meant to draw in people who really needed to hear the message.
That and he repeatedly said these were good reasons according to society so it was clear that he was driving a nail in a sure palce
Kelly asks: “Could we actually accept someone on the journey away from sin?” If I understood Kelly correctly, does this mean we should baptize homosexuals who claim they are on a “journey away from this sin”? If so, should we then also baptize a man with multiple wives who says he is on a “journey” away from polygamy? What about an alcoholic who says, “I am on a journey away from drinking”? Or a thief who says, “I am on a journey away from stealing”?
If this is indeed Kelly’s message, then such a human theory of inclusion would lead to the downfall of the SDA Church.
However, I am not entirely sure I understood the message correctly. I must admit that I find it challenging to follow sermons that are unclear and lack direct, precise formulations, leaving them open to multiple interpretations.
Is it only me who’s not able to interpret Kelly correctly?
I share the same understanding with you!
@@Amafaranga300 thanks for responding!
Pastor Kelly has never been afraid to call sin by its right name. The process of baptism is intended to be an evaluation of someone's status and relationship with God. Call it God's theory of inclusion, not that of man. If someone is afflicted with any kind of sin, they must repent and show signs of transformation in their life before they can be baptized into the church.
@@villagemediaministry. Does this mean that if I am asked in the babtism wows if I abstain from unclean meats and alcohol, I can just answer: “I am on my journey away from it”?
@@villagemediaministry. To me, it seems that Kelly is employing “common fire” by playing with words in his title, provoking us to explore his perspective. This approach, however, is not befitting of any godly man or woman.
Furthermore, I find it deeply troubling that it is so difficult for you (Village Church) to provide a clear biblical answer about conversion from sin, using the same kind of language the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy use on this specific sin. Kelly appeared to insinuate that employing biblical language could be perceived as unkind or “not inclusive.”
Honestly, I am not a fan of the term “inclusive.” It strikes me as leftist rhetoric, and here in Denmark, it is used constantly in the media by the political left. Now, it seems to have become a loophole for welcoming unconverted sinners into our churches. Unfortunately, that is precisely what I see happening everywhere.
I really think this title is confusing. There is no “good” reason to be gay, but I would say that there are real reasons (and there is nothing good about those reasons) and causes that influence people to choose the gay lifestyle!
No, Pastor! There is no good reason to be gay! You mix truth with error, and give a false sound to that “trumpet!” Just enough to confuse everybody listening.
Your title is confusing. How can we trust YOU. The lord LOVE sinners but hate SIN
Very deliberately confusing.
The title is referring to what a gay person believes are good reasons to be gay. Pastor Kelly is showing them a better way than each of those reasons. He isn't advocating that being gay is good, not at all.
It was intentionally provocative to get the ones that don’t want to watch and listen to do that very thing, watch and listen. Well done Pastor!
There's no good reason to be Homosexual. Pr. Ron Kelly need to use the real word to address homosexuality and not to use slang words to explain sin.Jesus said "Go and Sin no more period.
Come as you are, but don’t stay where you are either. God’s Word sanctifies. A progressive path from disobedience to obedience.
Through the power of the Holy Spirit.
“Such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, and you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus by the Spirit of our God.”
1Cor.6.11,MEV
Amen thank God there still some one who can speak truth and have compassion at the same time.
Thank you Pastor for speaking about this so very timely matter.
A provocative title indeed. There is a time i was really blessed with Ron Kelly preaching but since he supported cancellation of Conrad Vine his preaching sounds hollow to me.
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
The same here. No point to listen to Ron Kelly anymore....
Is the issue Conrad Vine or sharing the Gospel Truth?
@@davidsanganyi6888 Vinenisnin the wrong 100. The chosen ones will be a small unpopular company, remember that .
Sin must be repented of and turned totally turned away from it. I love Ron Kelly and Conrad Vine and I want all sin preached against. I want to be with Father God for all eternity washed in the blood of Jesus who is our only hope! Preach it my brothers!
99% straight truth truly and honestly right sincerely, and unfortunately worded with 1% error is sill error!
Originally Gay meant joyful ,brightened showy, carefree and as time went by it became a reference to homosexuals
I originally thought that’s what he was going to talk about…
I originally thought that’s what he was going to talk about…
Agreed and it is unfortunate that this word and the rainbow (God's promise) has been changed in such a sinful way.
The good thing is that the rainbow these group uses is not exactly the same rainbow described in the Bible and it doesn’t have the colors as this group has designed.
Exactly ... when I was a child, my favorite TV cartoon series sang at the end of its theme song lyrics, " ... we'll have a gay 'ol time!". Very different times back then.
True words but Topic should be different.
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.
Remember that none of those so involved were saved.
Some will take this Sermon as a reason to be so involved.
Thanks for the good sermón Pastor Kelly.
Wow. What an incredibly insightful perspective! Helped me tremendously think and consider how to love and reach the LGBTQ and helped me not be fearful to stand and be a place of refuge by the Power of the Blood 🩸. Thank you so much for an incredible journey through a difficult subject. While many will read the title of this and judge- listen without prejudice- no matter what your perspective is. RonKelly ❤ God bless you. Jesus chose the house of Lazarus for a purpose.
I think this man is “too forward thinking” to a “closed” mind…
All of us sinners Needs to REPENT TO BE SAVE. in this Last Generation before Probation Closes 🙏
Very well-spoken. I really appreciate this message. I understand what you’ve said.
Pastor Kelly is one of my favourite preachers but I don't think the title to this message was divinely sought. There are absolutely no good reasons to be gay, adulterous, murderer, and thieves, and the list goes on.
The title is referring to what a gay person believes are good reasons to be gay. Pastor Kelly is showing them a better way than each of those reasons. He isn't advocating that being gay is good, not at all.
Very true.
Gay doesn't mean what most people think the lbg people pervert the word and the true meaning
So the title would have been What gay believe Good Reasons to gay.
It could have make sense but the title it self reflects other way round@@cosudu3002
I have good friends that are gay.
They believe they don't make a choice to be gay. They just are gay.
It's one thing to be gay. It's another to live the gay lifestyle.
I believe that we should be able to accept a celibate gay just like we would a heterosexual.
It's the gay sexual act that is immoral.
It's not the gay person, as long as they refrain from the gay lifestyle.
If you ran out topic to preach on
Just READ 1' 2 '3 chapters of the BIBLE to the congregation 'pray and send them home. You are safer that way
If it's in the bible, I believe if it's not in the bible, that's not for me.
Absolutely wrong calling gay. Good
Woe to them that call evil good and good evil Who put darkness for light snd light for darkness, who put bitter for sweetness and sweetness go bitter
Shamefull
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The title should end with a question mark though. Its a bit misleading 😑😑
I agree. I realize he is taking these reasons from the point of view of the gay person and is showing them a better way. But yes, a question mark would have been a good idea.
he says quite clearly through out the entire thing these are good reason by societies standardds so there is no need for a question mark it a clear statement that society thinks these are good reasons
It is no longer possible for truth-seeking people to find trust in words uttered by one surrounded by such a thick cloud of hypocrisy. Its not about how well you craft your words together, it is about what has been revealed to be in your heart. Repentance is what many long to hear from those lips.
A lot of these comments are the effect of listening to slander by Prophesy Again and Amazing Word. Some of these men have engaged in immorality just as evil as LGBT. They should never touch a pulpit anymore. Another one published fake flyers about this man of God. What do you think about that?
Pastor Ron Kelly … THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
God doesn’t condemn but He doesn’t condone either.
“Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God-severity toward those who fell, but goodness toward you, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
Rom.11.22,
As I listened to this sermon from the beginning to the end, I was thinking of one individual whom God liberated from a life of condemnation to one of victory. Thank God that she became an unashamed witness who could boldly declare, "Come see a man..."
There are more examples in the Word.
To the best of my understanding, enabed by the Holy Spirit, the Pastor was not condoning a lifestyle that God describes as being an abomination.
If ever there was a time in the history of this church that we are desperately in need of prayer, it is NOW. May the Holy Spirit annoint our eyes with eyesalve and grant us wisdom and understanding to do only the will of God. Let it start in me Lord.
Pastor Kelly was simply being sarcastic in his sermon. Do not draw your conclusions before listening to the message. “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him” (Proverbs 18:13).
Pr.your message appears to be in the right direction.Is this a big problem on our campuses now? When i was a student in the 1950’s it was there but rarer.
Stupid and dumb title, no matter the circumstances.
Nothing but a bunch of fluff.
Yeah! I wonder if you would have preached that "sermon" to the Sodomites who were trying to break down Lot's door.
I agree with you...a man who seeks attention...confusing the flock in the process.
Relevant topic. Kids in elementary school are talking about this. I work in the school system and you are out of touch!
I was not talking about the subject much as the title.
It surprised me...that title...decided to read the comments....then I got it. I wonder why this pastor preaches looking at the floor most of the time during his sermons? It is weird.
We must love them as Jesus did but don’t accept it as right! In Gods eyes n in His bible it’s sin!
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
@@mareeshone-howden7772 You have written the same narrative too many times. Give it a rest. We get it.
I have not been listening to pastor Kelly since the whole cancellation happened. This goes to show you that Dr. Vine's message was so on point and needed for this very time. We are now seeing the writing on the wall. With regards to this message... I love every one of my brothers and sisters regardless of their life choices. Now, I will not accept nor agree to their choices but also, I will not accept listening to an SDA pastor that says he preaches present truth and is trying to tell his congregation that eventhough its a sin but that we need to be more understanding. Pastor Kelly, you have opened the door for satan to embed his lies within your congregation, all those watching and especially the youth. Please be prayerful and ask God to give you clarity on the messages that you bring into God's house and to His people.
You didn’t actually listen to the sermon did you? He’s not saying we accept sin at all.
@JulietteSasek if you actually read my comment I didn't say that he said we need to accept sin because then that would be egregious on his part. I said, that he said that we should be understanding. I also said that I love all of our brothers and sisters but will not accept a pastor preaching this type of confusing message.
@JulietteSasek please carefully read next time, and also, you may need to re-listen to the sermon
@@HelenPZ sorry, I think I did misunderstand what you said. And yes, we should be understanding as we all have sinned and many are in bondage. Being understanding of someone’s struggles is not condoning their sin. We can sympathize with their struggle while loving them and pointing them to Jesus who can help them to overcome.
@JulietteSasek if agree that we need to be loving and compassionate, you are 100% correct. My issue is with pastor Kelly preaching this type of message in our churches. You and I, as faithful women of Christ, know that we need to be loving and compassionate. So when I come to church, especially in today's time, I want to hear a present Bible truth filled message. Not a message where now I question the way that I go about understanding and somewhat sympathizing (even though we know it's wrong) someone's lifestyle. Even though you and I understood the premise of his message, others may not and may, in fact, be confused.
Where can we hear that lady speak?
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Came for the title stayed for the content
Very powerful. Where can I obtain the testimonies Pr. Ron Kelly talked about? I want to get them, please. Thank you.
The testimonies he mentions are the ones delivered at the Jesus and Wholistic Sexuality conference this year. The videos are being uploaded to our channel, and you can watch the archived livestreams on our channel as well.
I have no problem with this title if you mean “happy” how the old English adopted this old word from the French. But as far as the title is very ambiguous, I would not spend a minute to break my Sabbath listening with any possibly outrageous, unbiblical, heretic idea.
My conviction is that God loves homosexuals, prostitutes, adulterers, fornicators, hackers, spammers, occult practicers, bank robbers, murderers, as well as all less sinners. That’s why Jesus came to save us all from our sins and NOT IN OUR SINS.
I won’t give a try to listen to your sermon, I like my peace, especially on the Sabbath.
Is it question or afirmitive. Think deeply and pray with love in your heart no judgement! Even to save one soul who can be converted. There is always a message in a sermon for everyone.
I,personly,Would Not have used That Title
Excellent sermon, very clear and base on the Bible 👍🏽🙏🏽🫠
Pastor, your message is extremely inspirational and profoundly deep. Those who don't understand the contents should ask that their eyes be washed with eyesalve that they may see.
Pray that THE MONARCH OF THE GALAXY will continue to use you to glorify HIS NAME.
"Wycliffe was a keen detector of error..." - HF. 52.2, Pray for "eye salve", we all do need it.
And just like that a good man, a man of God, is "gone". Keep the faith, fellows, glooming days lie ahead.
Thank you Pastor Ron Kelly. A very well thought out inspired seon/talk. Remember i don't flatter people.😊😊
Thankyou pastor Kelly for looking after those people who have wanted to have validation it's hard being gay and be a God fearing Christian and giving us all strength to fight this spiritual battle not to give in to the devils temptations.
The title is very misleading and controversial. Maybe rename it Good Reasons People Are Gay.
11:40 1. Born that way.
26:14 2. Shaped that way.
27:37 3. Society encourages it.
31:12 4. Nobody's going to warn you that it's not [good to be gay].
35:31 5. A lot of ignorance and marginalization in society.
36:51 6. Lots of churches find it easier to preach against being gay rather than love gay people. 40:40 7. Absence of Christian counsellors who understand the issue.
I disagree with this man on the sin of homosexuality or any sin not being a choice, I say that only because. the Bible says this, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." All temptation according to this is not "uncommon" meaning the pull of the temptation is the same for all mankind and all temptations including Homosexuality. If "we resist" God is FAITHFUL and will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear. Meaning if you give in it is because you CHOOSE to and you CHOOSE not to resist. We are saved FROM sin no IN our SINS.
Sorry Pastor Kelly you can work to gain sympathy for sinner but that doesn't reconcile them with God. Why do we feel sorry for the gays but not the adulterers or the thief? Isn't a thief born a thief? The thief doesn't have a choice either according to your logic or there is a differentiation within the realm of sin that frankly I can't find anywhere in the Bible except the sin of blaspheming of the Holy Spirit.
It must be said we are infiltrate by the enemy and the false doctrine is coming out of the wood work. EVEN THE VERY ELECT WILL BE DECEIVED IF IT WERE POSSIBLE.
Sister white said we would be infiltrated by these learned smooth taking men and quite frankly those Jesuits are like mice they can get into the tiny spaces and find their way in. Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing. By their fruits ye shall know them.
What if you are a gay person who doesn't know anything about what the Bible says and has run into judgmental Christians who are unkind to them. I don't know the struggle of being gay and then having my heart moved to question being gay (because I am not gay). I only know my own struggles and how hard they are, however, my struggles are accepted in Church or at least not really condemned. How confusing it must be also, to be told by some churches that being gay is not a sin and yet you feel that different conviction tug at your heart? I just cannot imagine going through years of being gay and then going through years of being confused and wanting answers but you run up against unloving, condemning Christians.
@@cosudu3002 Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. We are to resist temptation and God is faithful and will give a way out so that we are not overcome by it. Nothing special just go and sin no more.
Just stopped by here long enough to say that Ron Kelly had a spine during the pandemic but lost it somewhere between then and when he failed to protest the cancelation of Conrad Vine. I pray he will repent.
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The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
He seems to be converting more to Christ, exactly. You lack a spine for supporting a sessionist as conrad vine. He is very lost
God help this organization to see the true Jesus and become born again according to your word and may they be set free from demonic strongholds
So far thru step 6 is right on but still holding back
Sorry. Very muvh meaning well. Please do not miss the point. The focus of his preaching is no to reafirm doctrinal reality but to keep in check our carnal humane particular attitudes. True love for sinful souls separate the dogmas from the bonds of mercy. He was not preaching to the choir. May God bless pastor Kelly. Very courageous😢
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To simply say I am born this way, is an old excuse. The number of people born that way is not as many as some may think. But when you associate yourself with gay people, you will be influenced.
There is NO GAY GENE. No one is born gay. What does happen is that male babies fed soy formula have changes to their testosterone hormone at a crucial time in their development. Soy mimics the female hormone estrogen! Too much estrogen and a baby grows up to be a "girly man" or a "Soy boy." Soy damages the thyroid, too. Adventists should avoid soy in any form.
Yes, and he did say it is a deception of the world.
He also said "you may be born this way, but you don't need to stay in this way" (I'm paraphrasing, of course).
@@cosudu3002 Granted. But people are influenced by the friends they keep. E.g. that young man that went on a rampage at the school with a rifle killing children and teachers. Then it came he was bullied. Being bullied is not an excuse to kill people. He was not born to kill. But what did his parents do. He should have been supported and taken to therapy. But he allowed himself to be influenced by the websites on rifles and ammunition. The same with gays. Years ago someone will not surface as gay. So they learned to support each other. So if you are friends with gays and they support you, it is much easier to transition to being gay.
Are we using clickbait now???? 👎
The SDA church has fallen into apostasy... This is with reference to GC... sin is sin, and we should not be afraid to call sin by its right name...
Many churches have. This pastor is speaking truth. There are still some faithful in “Israel.”
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Christians need to believe what the Bible says…we are all sinners, but we need to repent and draw close to God and not to what this world promotes.
Today, one of our members delivered this sermon to the congregation. We have children and teenagers watching the video sermon, and it is difficult to understand, particularly for the younger children. I am very concerned and bothered about this subject.
Preach on pastor, preach! Thank you for being brave. God be with you always till the end of the age. That is His promise. Keep on! We are calling a spade, a spade, and not a big spoon! So help us God.
Love the sinner not the sin!
scripture? Where is the scripture that supports the title?
Most negative comments may not have listen the whole sermon....Pastor just used some sort of reverse psychology in his sermon's tittle
Now I can hear the agent of satan only, your topic reveals it all. This is not the time of preaching such messages, this time is for preaching the,Three Angels messages.
Did you listen to the sermon? Because you clearly just stopped at the title.
The sermon defies the title of the sermon. He explains what the bible says about the subject.
While I am not an SDA member nor do I believe inn the trinity. I do believe in the Bible it is truth/ I very really listen to any SDA preacher however, I listen to this man and I enjoyed his sermon his openess and teaching truth on this subject. Thank you.
Was the title chosen ironically or he mean it ?
I congratulate Pastor Kelly for taking this stand. I would personally take it even a bit further. We are all sinners, and Christ is in the heavenly sanctuary working on all of us. Who is to say my sin is any "better" than someone else's. I say leave the topic alone, but I know that won't happen.
It is a good title. Can you see how it's exposing the seasoned Christians? They have forgotten so easily that they were sinning terribly and still is sinning. But because other persons sin is being Gay, then they should be condemned and don't deserved to be saved. PS: I am not a Gay person. I am total Heterosexual. The Bible stands and not what we feel about how some sins should be treated.
You sold Conrad Vine out that was weak and cowardly. You like preaching the truth, but you don’t like walking in it. there is still time to make up for it. God is just and merciful and good in every way.
You are part of the problem because instead of wanting to dialogue you accuse, no different from the same people that accuse Vine. Vine and Kelly are filled with the Holy Spirit and may God continue to use both men. I pray that God can open up your eyes before it is too late for you.
@NoName, very true!
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.you need to understand the context this camp has brought helped many people out of gay life or addictions He is saying to that cohort being a gay not practicing nor acting out tendencies our God says to them they are loved for wanting to follow God's laws.
So your next sermon is going to be "Good reasons to be an adulterer??". Stop tjis bull. Call a sin a sin pastor. Do not deviate from the bible, Leviticus 18.22 clearly says homosexuality is an abomination. Why was Sodom and Gomorrah burned? Read Jude 1.17.
Yes, sin is sin. You didn’t listen to the sermon. He said near the beginning, you are born this way is a deception of the world.
And of course you get no response out of @villagemediaministry.
That is why the Caifas and Anas fired him. Politically incorrect, Biblically perfect!!
John 3:16
Homosexuality is wrong. Condemning sin is loving and kind. We must not equivocate with this movement that blurs and defaces the image of God as He created us. Call sin by its right name and denounce it as fatal to the happiness of marriage and home
Good speech Ron... little studied people here cant get your speechs meaning
I was waiting for some verses in the Bible that you will read teaching us that there are good reasons to be gay, unfortunately I never heard even a single one
Yes, I agree if Pr Ron Kelly wants to address this particular word he should sites in the bible the books, chapters,and verses including the pages to prove his point.
Im glad he is showing how sin works and how we can address what people struggle with because sometimes we avoid conversations when we don't use scripture to show people we can be all free from sin while on earth. Hearing freedom from sin so many don't think it's possible in anyway
Reading these comments you see the results of slander which is a sin. Why don’t these same people talk about the fake flyers that were posted about this man of God? Individuals that talk against the church can engage in so much immorality and open sin just as evil as LGBTQ but still have followers that follow and defend them in their immorality and still attack the apple of God’s eyes, the object of God’s supreme regard! How can this be? Deceptions in these last days will be so intense that the very elect could be deceived. I pray people wake up…
It's not slander to disagree with the sermon title that conflicts directly with God's word. Think of those who could see that title in passing who didn't watch the video, how they were or could be misled. Whatever contradicts God's word, we may be sure, proceeds from Satan.
This title can be taken two ways . Either you are not interested in watching it or you are eager to see where it’s leading.
You are NOT inspired by God. You DID NOT STAND UP against the unbiblical banning of pastor Vine.
Conrad Vine spoke in support of Pastor Kelly following the Michigan conference ban. You can find that also online. Hate is not something of God. We do not have the authority to judge only Jesus does, we do not know the heart. Being a Christian is being Christ like and I don't see that in Your post.
@@mareeshone-howden7772 Conrad Vine is extremely polite...
Kelly had the OPTION of enforcing or NOT this uncontitutional ban from the conference. He decided to go along with it...
I do not hate Kelly for it. I simply stated that he is NOT inspired by God in what he says and does. He must repent. Yet he is too blind to see this...
Being frank about it is not unbiblical or unChrist like!
What has happened to pastor Kelly since this comment was made doesn't appear to have aged well.🤔
42:14 Identity in Christ
We must become their friend before the we can help them figure out what is wrong with their life
Bible is truth! Amen!!!
Yeassss ! AMEN !!!!!
Amen Brother 🙏
This is so embarrassing. Why did anyone stay and listen. This sermon from the beginning he is having difficulty making this because there is no substance. Confusion. Pastor Vine was surrounded by wolves. Good thing he's gone. Now the true colors of these men is being discovered. They were uncomfortable with pastor vine there stepping on their toes and affecting their conference financial future. Now the only thing left for the members are a bunch of carnival clowns giving a show but they deserve it for sitting in that building allowing them to silence common sense and conscience and freedom of thought and truth. Now just keep listening to foolishness and your amens and hallelujah is vanity and empty and embarrassing because truly you are allowing the clowns to make a circus of your church. Shame on you.
You have allowed lies about this man to guide your feelings. What do you have to say about the fake flyers that were put out by a popular man?
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
After your duplicity you’ve lost me.😰
Maybe it would be good to listen again.
Provocative title
Mix of truth and error... it is not good but it is good. I say again even the devil can't beat this.
BRILLIANT. Duplicity, that's the word: deceitfulness; double-dealing.
Is it a message from God or from hell?
The sermon was very good.
None of the above, it is definitely not from God and even the devil could not have come up with such ingenuity. I pray he repents before it is too late.
@williampulu4348 If you’re sincerely asking this, then clearly you didn’t bother to watch.
Did he just come out?
Even the devil cannot beat this unrivaled mixture of truth with error.
You cannot excuse sin, to give reasons for sin is to excuse it and then it ceases to be sin - Pr. Ron Kelly, you know better. You can preach the good parts of this message without excusing sin... it was not a mistake, it was deliberate and you will give account.
Where did he excuse sin?
@@JulietteSasek Do you believe sin is a choice?
@@Chukwumeremeze yes. And that’s what Pastor Ron was saying.
@@JulietteSasek The man is double tongued this means that he expresses two opposing sentiments in the same breath. Go to minute marker 21:18 where he said, "Whether I was born with a proclivity or whether I was nurtured through the dysfunction of our age and my home the truth of the matter is, is that God gives us the power..." and then he switches his position from the point where he said "now!" and then he said, "To someone that suggests that same sex attraction is a choice, my deepest sympathies go out to you" and then again he said, "No one wakes up and says, "hum I want to have same sex attraction".
By the way by saying "Whether I was born with a proclivity... " he is already excusing the sin because we are all born with fallen natures.
Bravo. Well said.
We abusing God with the freedom of choice he give to us.
I’m confused. Where does the Bible affirm a good reason to be homosexual?
Does he know truth from error or has NPR so influenced him that he feels compelled to share this kind of message?
He’s just articulate and intelligent enough to confuse most and then turn around and say there are good reasons for this lifestyle?!
God loves sinners but He invites sinners to come to Calvary for washing , cleansing and covering.The sinner who refuses to be cleansed cannot be covered with God's righteousness.
Pastor Kelly, this is a very good title to your sermon. The morale of the Title is tough. Because too many times we make excuses for our behaviors. God bless 😂🙏
Amen!!!
Absolutely wrong calling gay. Good
Woe to them that call evil good and good evil Who put darkness for light snd light for darkness, who put bitter for sweetness and sweetness go bitter
Shamefull
The greatest want of the world is the want of men ,,men who will not be bought or sold Men who in their inmost soul are true snd honest..men who don’t fear to call sin by it’s right name , men whose conscience are true to duty as needle to the pole , men who will stand for the right thou the heavens fall
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
But seven day Adventist don’t believe there is a hell. Strange !!
Adventists believe in hell.
"Those who are raised in the second resurrection will face judgement. They will die a final death that lasts forever.
“Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:14, ESV)."
www.adventist.org/death-and-resurrection/
1 cor 6 listed what some of you once were before becoming truly born again. Born again definition according to Christianity not false definition the sda beliefs are
His sermon was vague and unclear. He seems to be in favour of being "gay". Maybe He's struggling with it himself. Toughts???
Powerful!!!
So she chose to sin no more and stayed close to Jesus.
The title alone should warn people to flee.
The coming together ministries have been doing their camp so this sermon would fit perfectly with the cohert listening who have decided to come to Christ and leave their behaviours and addictions behind.
The title is referring to what a gay person believes are good reasons to be gay. Pastor Kelly is showing them a better way than each of those reasons. He isn't advocating that being gay is good, not at all.
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The people in the comments don’t understand. Bunch of bubbles need to be removed and pastor Kelly is doing that you Pharisees. If you still think this is not straight to the point you’ve lost your touch.
Wow! I am not and Adventist but I can see why this guy was dumped by the church.
This sermon is truly misleading (muddled) as is the title. Trying to use play-on words sounds pretty much like: James 1:8 “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” Salvation is Serious this sermon was tripe. Stop making excuses for sin and get on with righteousness by faith as it is in Jesus! “Cry aloud and spare not!”
only God is Good, you mean good reasons to be a...?