How to Clean Coins - Using MS70 Coin Restorer on Silver Coins First off, let me address the obvious... I know many of you have been told to never clean coins. But, keep in mind that removing gunk, debris, glue, tape and grime from a coins surface without rubbing and/or scratching is acceptable as long as you are very careful and use products that are either designed to restore a coin or use only warm water and pat dry. That being said, I am a firm believer in NOT using any products myself (perhaps leave it up to the expert coin restorers) on ANY potentially valuable coins (such as key dates), and especially not on any copper coins that have turned brown after years of storage. Now that the disclaimers are out, in this video I will be reviewing the MS70 Coin Restorer. I will refer to it as "cleaning the coin" in this video as it is just easier to say. I'll be testing it on silver quarters and silver half dollars with varying degrees of dirt, glue, tape, grime, etc - to see how they come out. Hope you enjoy and thanks for watching! By the way - I am selling my custom Coin Roll Hunting Mats on my website or on eBay (see below): robfindstreasure.com/whats-for-sale/ www.ebay.com/usr/robfindstreasure PLEASE SUPPORT MY CHANNEL - I am an Amazon Associate and if you shop on Amazon, please feel free to clink one of my links below - I get a little extra every time you shop using my link: www.amazon.com/shop/robfindstreasure The Microscope I use is good quality and low-priced: amzn.to/2JFQtcS US Coins Redbook - really handy: amzn.to/2SR6z9v MS70 Coin Restorer: amzn.to/2WrGaAS Nic-A-Date: amzn.to/2KM7031 Digital Mini Scale: amzn.to/2SC5Hqz I post several new videos weekly so please subscribe if you wish to see more: goo.gl/7jX6g5 Thanks for watching! FYI - I've been asked about an address to send things to. If you want, you can use this address: Rob Finds Treasure P.O. Box 5565 Frisco, TX 75035 Facebook: fb.me/RobFindsTreasure Instagram: instagram.com/robfindstreasure/ Twitter: twitter.com/RobFindTreasure paypal.me/RobFindsTreasure robfindstreasure.com
Question why not just use a bakery blow touch 🤔 use it 4 to 6inch,away in circles for few sec,,,I have restored many black gunk off silver oz, 🤔 😉 thanks if read
Obviously there are people out there looking for a life changing perfect $$$$ coin but I understand like you do. 1.The enjoyment is in the coins themselves 2.They're beautiful to look at and 3. It's the thrill of the hunt. Keep with the great vids Rob. I appreciate you Brother.
Hi Rob! This video is 2 years old so I don't know if you'll see this. But to clean my dirty coins (very common dates and really dirty, like a combination of the first 2 in the video) I use the aluminum foil, baking soda, hot water method. It works great. Removes some of the tarnish and grime without any effort and the rest comes off on 99% of the coins with just a few seconds of rubbing with a damp cloth and some baking soda, which does no harm whatsoever to the coin itself. Everyone seems to be against cleaning until they're not and then they want to use chemicals when a couple of everyday household goods work better. I don't get it. (btw, I don't understand why folks like toning. I get rid of it with a couple minutes soak in vinegar; another everyday household product.)
@@truthseeker6792 You line a pan with it and add boiling water and baking soda. The coins must be on the foil. You should smell sulfur. After a while wipe with a soft cloth. No scrubbing, no scratching. Lot's of you tube info.
You could soak them, but due to the low grade/surface damage of those two 64 halves, the value would remain unchanged (melt price). Coins aside, time is the most valuable possession. If someone chooses to invest finite time toward transforming $11 dirty coins into $11 clean coins, that’s up to them. Over 90% of the time, the cleaning process with scratch the coin or remove toning that disguised the damage that was there all along. Thank you for the video :)
Appreciate the video and glad to see you champ through the hate...lol...About 25 years ago I had some guy try and sell me a collection and come find out they were all cleaned with tarnex...completely ruined 'em. Thanks again 🤘🤘
It's pretty easy, just get a cleaner and an old penny or quarter, something just from pocket change. Clean it and then look at it under a magnifying glass...it's not just a color change, you will see the coin looks like on the surface...it may look like the coin has been scoured by steel wool.
My personal experience with ms-70 is mixed. I tried it on an 1827 large cent I got off of ebay for $2 that was extremely concreted, a war nickel with bad water damage, and a 64 Rosie dime that I found metal detecting. After working on the large cent for a while I found that it definitely helped but it is probably impossible to get all the concreteion off. Over time the large cent did turn blueish and I would not recommend using ms-70 on copper. The war nickel did get significantly better but much of the water damage did remain. In the future I may go back at it again. Lastly the Rosie dime did get cleaner but it remained very cloudy. Overall it helped but with extreme damage it is very difficult to get clean.
I really think the taboo against cleaning coins is complete nonsense. I notice that when they cleaned the Sistine chapel the value of the painting didn't go down. Who decided coin cleaning is bad?
I think the “taboo” against it has more to do with amateur collectors cleaning their coins. By wiping at the coin, many collectors put small scratches and marks into their coins which lower the value. However, if it is an expert coin cleaner, there should be no problem doing so.
It is when you strip the natural luster from the die coming from the mint. If you restore and dont take what the mint intended on the luster them cleaning is fine
My issue is people do what this man is doing and just removing the gunk, then send the coin in for grading and get slapped with “cleaned” on the grading label and then it reduces it’s value 🙄
I think this issue with cleaning has to do with grading services not wanting to mess with or put any value to dirty coins or coins that come out of the ground. It favors them making more money from people's coins.
The taped Kennedy is definitely chemically altered with the old tape glue. Old tape glues are very destructive. The one with the dark edge is lacquer or tobacco juice, probably from a coin stash or bagged coins kept in a moist basement or cellar or some kind of cachet.
The cleaner did improve the appearance of the coins and made them look better than they were. I think that considering the conditions of the coins altogether with all of the environmental damage they had, it did a pretty good job bringing out the coins detail. I would use it without any second thoughts on coins.
Well it's like spending $20 bucks on cleaner to make worthless (numismatically-speaking) coins even less desirable and just make tiny objects look good from far away. It's like why invest and work so hard for an obvious negative outcome? The only way this makes sense to me is if you're going to sacrifice the coin to turn it into a necklace or something and you want the surfaces to be shiny while not caring about collectibility.
Cleaning often puts abrasions all over the coin you see them real well with a microscope. So if you are going to clean dont use something abrasives. Also, for most serious collectors it is the natural aging, patina, toning that "increases" a coins value so wiping that away is considered a big no no. On some coins you would be talking thousands of dollars. For a 52 washington quarter prolly no big deal. Alot of serious collectors would never think of buying a cleaned coin so just keep that in mind if you have a holy grail coin and not a run of the mill. Good luck everyone
For a quick second, I thought there was a die crack on the reverse of that 53...then I saw the fuzz from the q-tip sticking out when you flipped it...lol got me!
Rob, I live outside of Portland, Oregon area. Loomis is in Portland, so all my coins pass through there. I started collecting in the late 1950 and have never cleaned a coin until this year. I have lived in 10 states and a few foreign countries. By far the dirtiest coins I have ever experienced are here in Oregon. None of the coins I clean are for collecting but as a public service. I use a Harbor Freight roller tumbler with stainless steel Jewlers cleaning media with a few drops of non sudsing cleaner in water. Run them for 2 days and rinse out the dirty water and repeat the process again. Coins come out clean and are returned to circulation. One of the big contributors to the filth is the black filthy grease Loomis uses to lubricate their coin rolling machines. I don't think they ever clean their machines but just keep pumping more grease into them. I watch all your videos and enjoy your knowledge very much. I search between two and three thousand dollars of coins a week. mainly quarters and halves.
Rob, I understand what you are doing and don't fault you at all. To me eye appeal means a lot. I do the same thing except I take it a bit farther. I'll get super common coins, 1921 Morgans 1922 Peace dollars, and other commons coins as well and polish the crap out of them with a Dremel. Most take over an hour but the results are incredible. I've been scolded for ruining history, I just see it as looking at a work of art in the best way possible. I have sold some of these, but I always state in big letters... "This Coin Has Been Heavily Polished and Cleaned". I would never do this to any coin of a rarer nature, I just want to let people see the beauty of the coin design. And ya, eye appeal helps when someone just wants an affordable book filler..... And I hate to say it, with some of the more stubborn naysayers, I have brought up the fact that, these are my coins and I will do what I wish with them. (Not often!!) LOL I really am rather laid back..... Love the vids man!! Always look forward to them!
Had some common war nickels that were very dark and dirty. Cleaner didn't do much, but the dremel fine wire wheel attachment brought them back to blast white without scratching. Worked best with pool of cleaner on surface, which prevented the dremel from smearing the grime.
Careful on that blackness on nickels, some of it's not dirt but a reaction from not having the right layers on there and is desirable to some collectors as black beauties.
Very helpful video. Can you release an additional video showing how the product works on proof coins (does it damage the luster) and perhaps on clad coinage as well? Thanks, Rob.
Interesting....I ordered some copper rounds and they gave me a buffalo nickel. Of course it was slick so I decided to buy some nicadate. I tried it for the first time. Worked great. It was a 1919 date. Thanks Rob.
Last time I cleaned a coin was about 45 years ago when I was 6 yo and a new coin collector. Back then, good metal cleaner was not as easy to find. I showed my very knowledgeable coin dealer my "new discovery" and he explained to me how cleaning coins was so bad and he even showed me my own coin under a loupe. Never again. Instead I got a job, built my career and buy common date Gem BU coins of the best coin types (Mercury dime, Morgan and Peace dollar, Standing Liberty quarter, Walking Liberty half, Liberty nickel, Indian Head cent, the special WWII coins, etc.)
Wow this video has been out for three years and it just showed up on my channel - Amazing stuff I have coins that could use this along with a final hot water/ baking soda bath should render some nice looks! No they are not key coins ya’ll ! 😄 Just proof that this video is reaching your audience Rob! 👍
Great video Rob! Informative as always! I wish I knew about the Amazon thing earlier before I bought my red book microscope and scale but I will keep in mind for the future. Keep up the good work!
I myself like the idea of this product for the coins I'm collecting for the grt8 grandkids so at least in 2038 they will have nice toning without all the grime form sticky thing people subject beautiful coins too. I would buy that product. Thank You for introducing me to the product and your time. Peace Out!!!!!
If your going to clean a CIRCULATED coin, You might as well do it right. You scrub that thing down with baking soda. And after you clean it, you have to leave it alone for about 10 years for it to tone back up in a controlled environment. After the coin retones in about 10 years, you wont be able to tell its a cleaned coin. Trust me, I know. about 20 years ago when i was a teenager with a metal detector, i used to clean up every silver coin i dug up. When i was a kid, i wanted these coins to be extremely shiny so i cleaned them up with baking soda. These coins look amazing now. The toning is even and because they are circulated coins, they already have millions of micro scratches anyway, so its impossible to tell that they were cleaned over 20 years ago LOL
Great demo !! I have a few coins with tape grime and would love to remove before it's as bad as that half was! I do not know anything about acid soaks or all that. Having a cleaner for some coins I'm just keeping is an option
I heard a trick that you squeeze your fingers on your nose and then rub the coin gently. The natural oils from you skin/nose will leave a thin layer of skin oil and make it the coin look way less cleaned/dull. The oil from hands and skin are considered natural since circulated coins are handled by 1000's of hands with oils.
Thanks for the video, I’ve been thinking of testing ms 70 out myself. Another video I’d like to see is what to look for to check if a coin is cleaned. What does PCGS look for, is it small scrapes visible ‘under the scope?
Hey rob my grandma had some mr metal and it is for silver etc and so i used it on a silver pendent and it took all the gunk away and it made a mirror finish
Rob I would like to ask you about a penny it appears to be a mistake but I can't find anything similar to it. It's on both front and back and around the whole ring. Also can you recommend a penny cleaner. How would I get a hold of you.
I just wish I knew what they charge for grading coins. Is it the cost for one coun or can you send in multiple coins for a single price or would they charge for each individual coins? I have multiple original steel pennies and one day I was at the store and in the change I received there were bright new steel pennies that seemed somewhat uncirculated. I've collected coins since I was four years old, I am now 73, and being that I lived in England and France and traveled to other European countries, I also have that and a lot of American coins too. I know nothing about cleaning, grading, or anything else..... I just collected them. 🙂 Any suggestions or answers?? Thanks
Can you actually scratch a coin with a q-tip, or does Mohs Law apply? I wonder what would happen if you soaked the coins in the MS-70 inside an ultrasonic vibratory cleaner (like the one at Harbor Frieght).
Q-tips can loosen some of the small metal particles on the coin, and rubbing them around will create the hairline scratches that you typically see on cleaned coins.
Yes. Have you noticed that while searching coins that your fingers turn black? (which is why Rob wears gloves on some of these hunts) The black stuff isn't just dirt. It's mostly metal particles from coin counting machines, coin rolling machines, coins hitting each other in pockets or bags, etc. All coins intended for circulation have the "dirt" on them even if you can't see it since they were bagged or rolled at some point, which may get dragged around by a wet q-tip, although grading companies use a loupe and not a microscope, so they may or may not see it. However, what they can see, is the pattern of dirt. As you can see in Rob's video here, the dirt that doesn't get removed gets distributed around the coin in neat dots, and coins in some crevices (such as on the top of the rim) may not be easily removed, making it obvious that the coin was cleaned even if there are no scratches. An ultrasonic cleaner is an interesting idea, but it would require you to be able to suspend the coin somehow, because it would simply vibrate the coin on the surface of whatever container it is sitting on. After doing some reading of accounts from people who have tried it, it's no more effective than soap and water under a running tap.
As the video stated... this is only a demonstration. Normally, you would ensure all particles and debris are removed prior to ever touching the coin with a q-tip. A simple acetone or rubbing alcohol soak without touching the coin at all - should be your first step. Sometimes that is all that is needed for adhesives and other icky stuff on the coin. Also, you will either need to rinse with distilled water or have another cup with more acetone or alcohol ready to go. As you will certainly contaminate the first batch. A 3 cup setup works the best. The q-tip is really a last resort. For MS quality silver coins dipping with Ezest is the preferred method. You never want to touch the coin if possible.
Great video Rob! Glad you showed us what this product can do. Anybody that says they would not clean dogshit off their coins is a total hypocrite-lmfao! Junk silver coins that have little spots of dirt and grime (not toning which I always love toning) can benefit from this product. I personally always pass on the cleaned junk silver coins. However, any local coin store will by junk silver coins and give you the same amount per $1 dollar face no matter if they have been cleaned or not. Also, it looks like this product ( if used quickly and correctly with a soft q-tip) will not remove any layer of the coin and probably the coin grader companies would never know. I would definitely and probably 100% percent of everybody else would use this on a high end coin if it had just a small spot of dirt/grime that could easily be removed by using this product.
I have used this, I think it removes original luster, but gives back a different looking luster. Also it will make copper coins pinkish in color. Not good for pennies.
You are correct, the gunk that piles up on one side of the Q-tip could do minor scratches, but only under pressure. A light hand touch and rolling the Q-tip until the Q-tip surface has loaded up with gunk, then replace Q-tip with clean one. So you use a few Q-tips on each dirty coin but this method of changing Q-tips and a light touch will keep any minor surface scratches to a bare minimum. Met-Chem.
Just saw this so I don't know if you will see this... my idea is to soak in hot water with two teaspoons of bicarbonate of soda without rubbing, should I try it, what do you think?
И все же чуда не случилось... Квотеры не поддались. Полностью поддерживаю и согласен с "уксус" и "сода+аллюминий". Можно еще попробовать тиокарбамид, но после него вымывать монеты нужно очень и очень тщательно. В любом случае лучше монету после обработки прокипятить.
Of course showing the cleaning is cool. Education is why I love TH-cam. As for music? Just go unique, vary the mix a bit if you please. Keep doing you, I'll keep watching
Rob thank you for the videos and you have inspired me to start coin roll hunting. Hopefully I can hit you up for info every now and then. By the way I live by Tyler texas so fellow Texan here enjoying the videos.
Should have done one of each kind of metal. A penny and nickel ect. I just ordered some yesterday and am looking forward to trying it out but gonna try it on a few before i do any of the coins in my type set
Hey Rob this was a good review video and I hope you make more videos like this! I hope you remember me from the live-streams! Take care! And remember Stay safe!
Nice cleanups! This is just what I do.. but I always like letting my silver soak in a lite solution of baking soda and warm water for 10/15 minutes. Then I have a super, super soft microfiber cloth that I use to lightly rub on them as I rinse them off. Takes off all dirt and 99% of ugly toning. I recommend only doing this method on silver that’s only worth its weight in metal.
I have some 1980s 1970s jfk proofs that are yellow. Was considering this. Is there any advice with this product as far as anything you wish you known before using or any warnings to not do etc. ?
I recently inherited my father's 45-year coin collection. It is fairly large. He has several of the recent (past 20-years) silver eagles that are in mint and proof (and prestige proof) state. But some that are open, not in any kind of holder or packaging. Those open ones have tarnish on them. Some quite bad. Anybody have suggestions how to clean that? All of these silver eagles are in great shape, just tarnished. Thank you for your suggestions.
I used to be in vending (pool tables video games dart machines ect that yellow gunk you got off that quarter looks a lot like the nicotine I’d get off machines in bars when I cleaned them great video enjoyed it
I have a graded NGC st gaudens slabbed ms64. I bought from an US govt auction. From what I can see it has some spots. Verdigris. maybe they weren’t stored properly ... rather unsightly any companies out there that professionally remove those spots? Appreciate your feedback
What does this do to the natural luster? I have a 1986 American Silver Eagle and it has some kind of smudge on it that looks like it could be removed. Better to not touch it? I stack a little but ended up wanting to get a complete series as well.
I have a 1928 S peace dollar that has some gunk on them would baking soda work with water? Or should I even do it because I know that is the 8th rarest peace dollar and would like to send it in for grading.
I usually don't clean my coins but I found out if you have a nice mint state silver coin you can use silver jewelry cleaner and just dip the coin for just a few seconds and then rinse the coin off really good and carefully pat dry it. most of the time it works really well depending on the condition the coin is in. It has to be a mint state coin or it looks cleaned.
What about fire damaged silver coins and ironclad error coins that were damaged? Even though the coins were in a "fire safe" box the fire got so hot that it popped the hinges letting in heat and soot. What would you suggest we do?
In my opinion, I think some of the major coin graders use Ezest and MS70 to "" CLEAN UP""" before they go into grading if it have potentual, we will never now.
I have some ms 63-64 1885-o Morgan’s with fingerprints would this work to take the fingerprints off and then submit to Pcgs ? And not have them come back cleaned of course
I’m not a fan of cleaning coins but I think it’s a good product and would use it but only on MS coins or really dirty/grimy ones, I’m a big fan of natural lustre....great video!!!!!
How to Clean Coins - Using MS70 Coin Restorer on Silver Coins
First off, let me address the obvious... I know many of you have been told to never clean coins. But, keep in mind that removing gunk, debris, glue, tape and grime from a coins surface without rubbing and/or scratching is acceptable as long as you are very careful and use products that are either designed to restore a coin or use only warm water and pat dry.
That being said, I am a firm believer in NOT using any products myself (perhaps leave it up to the expert coin restorers) on ANY potentially valuable coins (such as key dates), and especially not on any copper coins that have turned brown after years of storage.
Now that the disclaimers are out, in this video I will be reviewing the MS70 Coin Restorer. I will refer to it as "cleaning the coin" in this video as it is just easier to say. I'll be testing it on silver quarters and silver half dollars with varying degrees of dirt, glue, tape, grime, etc - to see how they come out.
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Found an interesting way to clean pennies recently
What's y'all opinion of using acetone?
@@jakefontenot2815 Acetone is the ONLY thing I would ever put on a coin!
I don't condone this...
Question why not just use a bakery blow touch 🤔 use it 4 to 6inch,away in circles for few sec,,,I have restored many black gunk off silver oz, 🤔 😉 thanks if read
Thank you for your demonstration video. For those who are curious, MS 70 Coin Brightener ingredients contain 2-butoxyethanol and potassium hydroxide.
Obviously there are people out there looking for a life changing perfect $$$$ coin but I understand like you do. 1.The enjoyment is in the coins themselves 2.They're beautiful to look at and 3. It's the thrill of the hunt. Keep with the great vids Rob. I appreciate you Brother.
Hi Rob! This video is 2 years old so I don't know if you'll see this. But to clean my dirty coins (very common dates and really dirty, like a combination of the first 2 in the video) I use the aluminum foil, baking soda, hot water method. It works great. Removes some of the tarnish and grime without any effort and the rest comes off on 99% of the coins with just a few seconds of rubbing with a damp cloth and some baking soda, which does no harm whatsoever to the coin itself. Everyone seems to be against cleaning until they're not and then they want to use chemicals when a couple of everyday household goods work better. I don't get it. (btw, I don't understand why folks like toning. I get rid of it with a couple minutes soak in vinegar; another everyday household product.)
me too, I agree
what do you do with aluminum foil?
@@truthseeker6792 You line a pan with it and add boiling water and baking soda. The coins must be on the foil. You should smell sulfur. After a while wipe with a soft cloth. No scrubbing, no scratching. Lot's of you tube info.
Nice color toning is what people like. Not that black crusty type shown in the video.
@@truthseeker6792 make a hat😅
Thank you for showing the effects of using this cleaner and showing us how coins can be cleaned in a proper way! Thumbs Up!
I've used MS70 on my Lincoln cents collection. It doesn't brighten the copper, but does do an excellent job on removing gunk.
Vinegar and salt for copper
You could soak them, but due to the low grade/surface damage of those two 64 halves, the value would remain unchanged (melt price). Coins aside, time is the most valuable possession. If someone chooses to invest finite time toward transforming $11 dirty coins into $11 clean coins, that’s up to them. Over 90% of the time, the cleaning process with scratch the coin or remove toning that disguised the damage that was there all along. Thank you for the video :)
I've been awaiting an MS70 video, and I wasn't disappointed! I believe I'd use this product for sure. Awesome examples, Rob!
you should send in a coin, get it graded, clean it and resend it and see what they say
MrVapor520 they would probably say it’s cleaned.
It's still noticeable, all cleaners leave a unnoticeable to the bear eye smear
Details coin, it’d come back as recolored
@Lavi Ben-Ari It doesn't have to. ANACS has show specials where you can get it done for $10 a coin or less sometimes!
@@zackjones8556 Not if you clean them with this stuff, rinse them, and then put them in a tupperware container and pour boiling water over it.
I've used it on newer pennies and it works great! I had a 2022 that was pretty dirty and it made it look like new again. 💯
Appreciate the video and glad to see you champ through the hate...lol...About 25 years ago I had some guy try and sell me a collection and come find out they were all cleaned with tarnex...completely ruined 'em. Thanks again 🤘🤘
I prefer using acetone, and when done, will dip on mineral oil for a minute or so. Makes things really neat looking
The coin that was black on the left side was probably held in a candle or open flame.
Cleaning coins?!? April fools was last month, Rob!
I’ve heard it said,” friends don’t let friends, clean coins”. 😳😂💯
Im pretty new to coin collecting, but i can see why cleaning is looked down on. Definitely looks cleaned now
It's pretty easy, just get a cleaner and an old penny or quarter, something just from pocket change. Clean it and then look at it under a magnifying glass...it's not just a color change, you will see the coin looks like on the surface...it may look like the coin has been scoured by steel wool.
Pretty crazy that Washington quarter with the paint, went into the grooves of the luster and preserved it all these years being circulated. 😊
My personal experience with ms-70 is mixed. I tried it on an 1827 large cent I got off of ebay for $2 that was extremely concreted, a war nickel with bad water damage, and a 64 Rosie dime that I found metal detecting. After working on the large cent for a while I found that it definitely helped but it is probably impossible to get all the concreteion off. Over time the large cent did turn blueish and I would not recommend using ms-70 on copper. The war nickel did get significantly better but much of the water damage did remain. In the future I may go back at it again. Lastly the Rosie dime did get cleaner but it remained very cloudy. Overall it helped but with extreme damage it is very difficult to get clean.
I really think the taboo against cleaning coins is complete nonsense. I notice that when they cleaned the Sistine chapel the value of the painting didn't go down. Who decided coin cleaning is bad?
I think the “taboo” against it has more to do with amateur collectors cleaning their coins. By wiping at the coin, many collectors put small scratches and marks into their coins which lower the value. However, if it is an expert coin cleaner, there should be no problem doing so.
It is when you strip the natural luster from the die coming from the mint. If you restore and dont take what the mint intended on the luster them cleaning is fine
My issue is people do what this man is doing and just removing the gunk, then send the coin in for grading and get slapped with “cleaned” on the grading label and then it reduces it’s value 🙄
Wen a coin is dirty it should be carefully cleaned. I use baking soda and hot water, and pat dry. If a coine is high grade don't touch it!
I think this issue with cleaning has to do with grading services not wanting to mess with or put any value to dirty coins or coins that come out of the ground. It favors them making more money from people's coins.
The taped Kennedy is definitely chemically altered with the old tape glue. Old tape glues are very destructive. The one with the dark edge is lacquer or tobacco juice, probably from a coin stash or bagged coins kept in a moist basement or cellar or some kind of cachet.
The cleaner did improve the appearance of the coins and made them look better than they were. I think that considering the conditions of the coins altogether with all of the environmental damage they had, it did a pretty good job bringing out the coins detail. I would use it without any second thoughts on coins.
Well it's like spending $20 bucks on cleaner to make worthless (numismatically-speaking) coins even less desirable and just make tiny objects look good from far away. It's like why invest and work so hard for an obvious negative outcome? The only way this makes sense to me is if you're going to sacrifice the coin to turn it into a necklace or something and you want the surfaces to be shiny while not caring about collectibility.
Cleaning often puts abrasions all over the coin you see them real well with a microscope. So if you are going to clean dont use something abrasives. Also, for most serious collectors it is the natural aging, patina, toning that "increases" a coins value so wiping that away is considered a big no no. On some coins you would be talking thousands of dollars. For a 52 washington quarter prolly no big deal. Alot of serious collectors would never think of buying a cleaned coin so just keep that in mind if you have a holy grail coin and not a run of the mill. Good luck everyone
For a quick second, I thought there was a die crack on the reverse of that 53...then I saw the fuzz from the q-tip sticking out when you flipped it...lol got me!
Rob, I live outside of Portland, Oregon area. Loomis is in Portland, so all my coins pass through there. I started collecting in the late 1950 and have never cleaned a coin until this year. I have lived in 10 states and a few foreign countries. By far the dirtiest coins I have ever experienced are here in Oregon. None of the coins I clean are for collecting but as a public service. I use a Harbor Freight roller tumbler with stainless steel Jewlers cleaning media with a few drops of non sudsing cleaner in water. Run them for 2 days and rinse out the dirty water and repeat the process again. Coins come out clean and are returned to circulation. One of the big contributors to the filth is the black filthy grease Loomis uses to lubricate their coin rolling machines. I don't think they ever clean their machines but just keep pumping more grease into them. I watch all your videos and enjoy your knowledge very much. I search between two and three thousand dollars of coins a week. mainly quarters and halves.
Rob, I understand what you are doing and don't fault you at all. To me eye appeal means a lot. I do the same thing except I take it a bit farther. I'll get super common coins, 1921 Morgans 1922 Peace dollars, and other commons coins as well and polish the crap out of them with a Dremel. Most take over an hour but the results are incredible. I've been scolded for ruining history, I just see it as looking at a work of art in the best way possible. I have sold some of these, but I always state in big letters... "This Coin Has Been Heavily Polished and Cleaned". I would never do this to any coin of a rarer nature, I just want to let people see the beauty of the coin design. And ya, eye appeal helps when someone just wants an affordable book filler..... And I hate to say it, with some of the more stubborn naysayers, I have brought up the fact that, these are my coins and I will do what I wish with them. (Not often!!) LOL I really am rather laid back..... Love the vids man!! Always look forward to them!
Had some common war nickels that were very dark and dirty. Cleaner didn't do much, but the dremel fine wire wheel attachment brought them back to blast white without scratching. Worked best with pool of cleaner on surface, which prevented the dremel from smearing the grime.
Careful on that blackness on nickels, some of it's not dirt but a reaction from not having the right layers on there and is desirable to some collectors as black beauties.
Very helpful video. Can you release an additional video showing how the product works on proof coins (does it damage the luster) and perhaps on clad coinage as well? Thanks, Rob.
Will come back cleaned from pcgs ngc IMO
Likely, but I would never send these uglies in for grading, as mentioned in the video.
No they would come back ms70 lool
Antek we all wish that would happen.
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@@jenniferwright5536 I mean. It's what the bottle says 😂😂
I'd love to see a follow up on MS70 where you use it on a MS or Proof coin.
or send one to get graded. proof in the pudding( no pun intended )
Interesting....I ordered some copper rounds and they gave me a buffalo nickel. Of course it was slick so I decided to buy some nicadate. I tried it for the first time. Worked great. It was a 1919 date. Thanks Rob.
Last time I cleaned a coin was about 45 years ago when I was 6 yo and a new coin collector. Back then, good metal cleaner was not as easy to find. I showed my very knowledgeable coin dealer my "new discovery" and he explained to me how cleaning coins was so bad and he even showed me my own coin under a loupe. Never again.
Instead I got a job, built my career and buy common date Gem BU coins of the best coin types (Mercury dime, Morgan and Peace dollar, Standing Liberty quarter, Walking Liberty half, Liberty nickel, Indian Head cent, the special WWII coins, etc.)
Wow this video has been out for three years and it just showed up on my channel - Amazing stuff I have coins that could use this along with a final hot water/ baking soda bath should render some nice looks! No they are not key coins ya’ll ! 😄 Just proof that this video is reaching your audience Rob! 👍
Seems to work fairly good . Have you tried the baking soda aluminum foil hot water technique? Really good segment
I have, but only on jewelry.
Great video Rob! Informative as always! I wish I knew about the Amazon thing earlier before I bought my red book microscope and scale but I will keep in mind for the future. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for your educational video. I think the quarters came out great. The half dollars too much damage on the coins.
Thank you Rob. I’m going to give it a shot on my old coins.
The spill only shows yet another use for your all-purpose coin roll hunting mats Rob!
I myself like the idea of this product for the coins I'm collecting for the grt8 grandkids so at least in 2038 they will have nice toning without all the grime form sticky thing people subject beautiful coins too. I would buy that product. Thank You for introducing me to the product and your time. Peace Out!!!!!
If your going to clean a CIRCULATED coin, You might as well do it right. You scrub that thing down with baking soda. And after you clean it, you have to leave it alone for about 10 years for it to tone back up in a controlled environment. After the coin retones in about 10 years, you wont be able to tell its a cleaned coin. Trust me, I know. about 20 years ago when i was a teenager with a metal detector, i used to clean up every silver coin i dug up. When i was a kid, i wanted these coins to be extremely shiny so i cleaned them up with baking soda. These coins look amazing now. The toning is even and because they are circulated coins, they already have millions of micro scratches anyway, so its impossible to tell that they were cleaned over 20 years ago LOL
Great demo !! I have a few coins with tape grime and would love to remove before it's as bad as that half was! I do not know anything about acid soaks or all that. Having a cleaner for some coins I'm just keeping is an option
Acetone works for me.
Great video. Thanks for the advice!
I heard a trick that you squeeze your fingers on your nose and then rub the coin gently. The natural oils from you skin/nose will leave a thin layer of skin oil and make it the coin look way less cleaned/dull. The oil from hands and skin are considered natural since circulated coins are handled by 1000's of hands with oils.
Wow that 53 may have been a proof!
The 37 S turned out great. I was hoping you would clean it up a bit. Well done Rob!
Thank you for it brother - I am happy to add it to my collection!
I use the pink cleaning paste from Walmart. Seems to work well and not damage anything
Thanks for the video, I’ve been thinking of testing ms 70 out myself. Another video I’d like to see is what to look for to check if a coin is cleaned. What does PCGS look for, is it small scrapes visible ‘under the scope?
I value your advice. Shall I buy at the current prices?thanks
Hey rob my grandma had some mr metal and it is for silver etc and so i used it on a silver pendent and it took all the gunk away and it made a mirror finish
Rob I would like to ask you about a penny it appears to be a mistake but I can't find anything similar to it. It's on both front and back and around the whole ring. Also can you recommend a penny cleaner. How would I get a hold of you.
It does get the tarnish off but it also looks like it dose leave a residue that clearly makes the coin look cleaned
Great stuff rob! How does pcgs determine if a coined has been cleaned or not? What exactly are they looking for?
I just wish I knew what they charge for grading coins. Is it the cost for one coun or can you send in multiple coins for a single price or would they charge for each individual coins? I have multiple original steel pennies and one day I was at the store and in the change I received there were bright new steel pennies that seemed somewhat uncirculated. I've collected coins since I was four years old, I am now 73, and being that I lived in England and France and traveled to other European countries, I also have that and a lot of American coins too. I know nothing about cleaning, grading, or anything else.....
I just collected them. 🙂 Any suggestions or answers?? Thanks
First time seeing this. Great video
Thanks for watching!
Nice try I will going try this method hopefully it won't loose the value of the coin thanks for the video Rob!
Can you actually scratch a coin with a q-tip, or does Mohs Law apply? I wonder what would happen if you soaked the coins in the MS-70 inside an ultrasonic vibratory cleaner (like the one at Harbor Frieght).
Q-tips can loosen some of the small metal particles on the coin, and rubbing them around will create the hairline scratches that you typically see on cleaned coins.
Yes. Have you noticed that while searching coins that your fingers turn black? (which is why Rob wears gloves on some of these hunts) The black stuff isn't just dirt. It's mostly metal particles from coin counting machines, coin rolling machines, coins hitting each other in pockets or bags, etc. All coins intended for circulation have the "dirt" on them even if you can't see it since they were bagged or rolled at some point, which may get dragged around by a wet q-tip, although grading companies use a loupe and not a microscope, so they may or may not see it. However, what they can see, is the pattern of dirt. As you can see in Rob's video here, the dirt that doesn't get removed gets distributed around the coin in neat dots, and coins in some crevices (such as on the top of the rim) may not be easily removed, making it obvious that the coin was cleaned even if there are no scratches.
An ultrasonic cleaner is an interesting idea, but it would require you to be able to suspend the coin somehow, because it would simply vibrate the coin on the surface of whatever container it is sitting on. After doing some reading of accounts from people who have tried it, it's no more effective than soap and water under a running tap.
As the video stated... this is only a demonstration. Normally, you would ensure all particles and debris are removed prior to ever touching the coin with a q-tip. A simple acetone or rubbing alcohol soak without touching the coin at all - should be your first step. Sometimes that is all that is needed for adhesives and other icky stuff on the coin. Also, you will either need to rinse with distilled water or have another cup with more acetone or alcohol ready to go. As you will certainly contaminate the first batch. A 3 cup setup works the best. The q-tip is really a last resort. For MS quality silver coins dipping with Ezest is the preferred method. You never want to touch the coin if possible.
Great video Rob! Glad you showed us what this product can do. Anybody that says they would not clean dogshit off their coins is a total hypocrite-lmfao! Junk silver coins that have little spots of dirt and grime (not toning which I always love toning) can benefit from this product. I personally always pass on the cleaned junk silver coins. However, any local coin store will by junk silver coins and give you the same amount per $1 dollar face no matter if they have been cleaned or not. Also, it looks like this product ( if used quickly and correctly with a soft q-tip) will not remove any layer of the coin and probably the coin grader companies would never know. I would definitely and probably 100% percent of everybody else would use this on a high end coin if it had just a small spot of dirt/grime that could easily be removed by using this product.
It was very interesting to watch this video !!!
I have used this, I think it removes original luster, but gives back a different looking luster. Also it will make copper coins pinkish in color. Not good for pennies.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROB HOPE ITS A GOOD ONE YOU DESERVE IT
Hi Rob ,, In your opinion, Are the cotton fibers on the QTip really capable of scratching any coin ??
I don't believe so but if you press firmly, then perhaps the shaft (or stick) of the qTip could.
I'd imagine it wouldn't be the QTip so much as the gunk on the coin that could cause scratches. I am, however, not an expert on such things.
You are correct, the gunk that piles up on one side of the Q-tip could do minor scratches, but only under pressure. A light hand touch and rolling the Q-tip until the Q-tip surface has loaded up with gunk, then replace Q-tip with clean one. So you use a few Q-tips on each dirty coin but this method of changing Q-tips and a light touch will keep any minor surface scratches to a bare minimum. Met-Chem.
Just saw this so I don't know if you will see this... my idea is to soak in hot water with two teaspoons of bicarbonate of soda without rubbing, should I try it, what do you think?
И все же чуда не случилось... Квотеры не поддались. Полностью поддерживаю и согласен с "уксус" и "сода+аллюминий". Можно еще попробовать тиокарбамид, но после него вымывать монеты нужно очень и очень тщательно. В любом случае лучше монету после обработки прокипятить.
Rob thanks for posting vids like regular in these crazy times
Of course showing the cleaning is cool. Education is why I love TH-cam.
As for music? Just go unique, vary the mix a bit if you please.
Keep doing you, I'll keep watching
You really should replace the Q tip more frequently so that you don't redeposit the tarnish/gunk back on the coin.
Rob thank you for the videos and you have inspired me to start coin roll hunting. Hopefully I can hit you up for info every now and then. By the way I live by Tyler texas so fellow Texan here enjoying the videos.
Should have done one of each kind of metal. A penny and nickel ect. I just ordered some yesterday and am looking forward to trying it out but gonna try it on a few before i do any of the coins in my type set
The heading should read “How to lower the value of coins”…
I will watch the video well.
Have a nice day .. ^^ ~
Hey Rob this was a good review video and I hope you make more videos like this! I hope you remember me from the live-streams! Take care! And remember Stay safe!
Nice cleanups! This is just what I do.. but I always like letting my silver soak in a lite solution of baking soda and warm water for 10/15 minutes. Then I have a super, super soft microfiber cloth that I use to lightly rub on them as I rinse them off. Takes off all dirt and 99% of ugly toning. I recommend only doing this method on silver that’s only worth its weight in metal.
I have some 1980s 1970s jfk proofs that are yellow. Was considering this. Is there any advice with this product as far as anything you wish you known before using or any warnings to not do etc. ?
I wanted to get my fingernail and scrape the one with the gunk on the edge. Lol. Cool video. I might try that stuff.
ME TOO! LOL. I was soooo tempted.
Will this product affect the coins grading and worth?
I recently inherited my father's 45-year coin collection. It is fairly large. He has several of the recent (past 20-years) silver eagles that are in mint and proof (and prestige proof) state. But some that are open, not in any kind of holder or packaging. Those open ones have tarnish on them. Some quite bad. Anybody have suggestions how to clean that? All of these silver eagles are in great shape, just tarnished. Thank you for your suggestions.
I used to be in vending (pool tables video games dart machines ect that yellow gunk you got off that quarter looks a lot like the nicotine I’d get off machines in bars when I cleaned them great video enjoyed it
What about a distilled water steamer, like jewelers have? No scrubbing or chemicals.
I have a graded NGC st gaudens slabbed ms64. I bought from an US govt auction. From what I can see it has some spots. Verdigris. maybe they weren’t stored properly ... rather unsightly any companies out there that professionally remove those spots? Appreciate your feedback
You can pay for NGC or PCGS to restore the coin. They offer the service.
Great video rob
what is better this MS 70 or EZest????
What does this do to the natural luster? I have a 1986 American Silver Eagle and it has some kind of smudge on it that looks like it could be removed. Better to not touch it? I stack a little but ended up wanting to get a complete series as well.
I have a 1928 S peace dollar that has some gunk on them would baking soda work with water? Or should I even do it because I know that is the 8th rarest peace dollar and would like to send it in for grading.
Restoration !
I may try on some gunky coins, light and gentle.
Doesn't this super devalue the coin?
what do you think of blue ribbon?
Does it take off the gray left by nicadate?
Hey so how much weight of gunk is removed with your cleaner?
I usually don't clean my coins but I found out if you have a nice mint state silver coin you can use silver jewelry cleaner and just dip the coin for just a few seconds and then rinse the coin off really good and carefully pat dry it. most of the time it works really well depending on the condition the coin is in. It has to be a mint state coin or it looks cleaned.
What about fire damaged silver coins and ironclad error coins that were damaged? Even though the coins were in a "fire safe" box the fire got so hot that it popped the hinges letting in heat and soot. What would you suggest we do?
I use soap and water on some cool old coins (not valuable!!) and it works pretty well
In my opinion, I think some of the major coin graders use Ezest and MS70 to "" CLEAN UP""" before they go into grading if it have potentual, we will never now.
E Z Est cleaner is my go to cleaner.
I have some ms 63-64 1885-o Morgan’s with fingerprints would this work to take the fingerprints off and then submit to Pcgs ? And not have them come back cleaned of course
I’m not a fan of cleaning coins but I think it’s a good product and would use it but only on MS coins or really dirty/grimy ones, I’m a big fan of natural lustre....great video!!!!!
@RobFindsTreasure does it say to use a q-tip and not a soft bristle toothbrush?
@RobFindsTreasure does it say specifically to not submerge the coins?
The question is Rob , can you submit coins after acetone or baking soda ?
I've used the ezest cleaner before. It only requires a quick dip to remove minor toning on BU coins. However, constitutional often requires scrubbing.
Q-tips are cheap, why keep using a dirty one?
Don’t know if you noticed, or maybe I’m mistaken but it looks like the 1953 s quarter had a die crack on the reverse.