How To Restore 150 Year Old Coins Using Nic-A-Date (DATES REVEALED!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ม.ค. 2020
- In this video, we will be experimenting with a coin restoration product called Nic-A-Date in an attempt to restore some 150+ year old coins to their original glory. The main goal of the experiment is to see how well the product works on coins that are in different stages of the wear/corrosion process, and to see if we are sitting on a $1,000 coin without knowing it! All of the coins that we are experimenting on are so worn out that the dates are impossible to read, meaning that we might have a super rare coin and not even know it until we use the solution to reveal the dates. Thank you for watching and I hope this was entertaining and informative!
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That was really fun to watch! Nice job Quin and Kevin!
Thanks for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed 😊
Shame their nickles. Nothing really value enhancing. Good job making them totally worthless is really something to be proud of. Congrats LMAO
@@keepitreal2044 C’mon man I was being serious
That was pretty astonishing to bring those details back great video😉👍
This was fun too watch
I'm really glad you enjoyed! :D
That was cool. Nice variety from just hunting.
Great to watch thanks guys
Really enjoyed this video, very cool!
Fantastic video! Really enjoyed it :)
Thank you for watching!
Interesting..thanks! You guys are awesome!
Cool video.. I've used ferric chloride for many different projects and found that a little scoop of baking soda in your water will fully neutralize the acid and stop the process completely!
Thanks for the tip! I figured there must be a better way to stop the reaction aside from just using water. We will give this a try next time!
Great video guys I can't wait to see it 😳
I love this advice after realizing I have a few that are not identifiable due to wear. I've don't try to clean but if there is no way to know what you have, what do you have to lose when you have no option to identify?
Are there other techniques to safely clean coins to discover grade without damaging the value?
This was a great video. Good research on acid and nickels!
@RYAN I read your post the first time you posted , you do not have to keep posting and reposting.
The police have a similar solution for people who have ground off serial numbers from motorcycle aluminum engine cases. The numbers are stamped in so hard they remain below what the criminals have ground off.
The police also use acid to reveal serial numbers that have been filed off gun barrels.
The metal pushed away by the stamps has been work hardened and is more resistant to acid, just as the struck detail areas of a coin (date, letters, design details).
I've used CLR on old corroded unreadable nickels that I've dug while metal detecting... It works too
Super cool video. Thanks for sharing.
Cool vid, thanks guys
Wow, that was incredible to see! Thanks, I'd never even heard of this Nic-A-Date product, but it sure brought out details that were invisible to the naked eye. Sure, the coin would get a "details" grade if it were submitted, but still- you've got a coin that is recognizable, which is far better than just a worn planchet!
Very entertaining guys! Amazing how that acid eats through and reveals the detail like that.
Mind blowing, thanks for sharing.
Very cool, guys!
Nice job guys , love that nik a date
thank you!
Thank you Gents. I enjoyed this tremendously. Learned a couple things as well. 👍👍😃
Thank you gentlemen , I appreciate your factual way of presenting this information.
@RYAN I have decades more numismatic experience than you and can tell you that you are entirely wrong.
Your high handed indignation is also misplaced.
Nowhere in this video are these young men advocating fraud in any way. They are showing a process by which coins that are so severely worn and / or 'environmentally damaged' as to be dateless can be identified by date after treatment. This process has been used for longer than I have been alive.
At one point, as they pondered the value of a barely identifiable 1880 example, one of them indicated that an acid treated coin would surely grade less than G4, which is accurate.
I have never acid treated a coin in my life and generally show disdain for such coins. That said, there is no harm in further damaging a coin that is already so severely worn or damaged that its date cannot be discerned. If they are later sold with a description as being treated, again no foul has been committed.
Get off your high horse for a minute or three.
Nice video..Thanks for sharing👍👍👍
The MAGIC starts at 11:16..... Wow!
Thats wild! Very cool results, boys!💥🍻👊
Thank you for watching!
Wow these guys know *everything* about coins.
Coins, beside the point. You two gentlemen are BLESSED to have such a great relationship as brothers. Love it
Loved this vid. I want more planchet coin reveals
@RYAN get therapy and medication.
@RYAN don’t believe this guy… I’ve used it on Buffalo nickels and it works, however it does lower the value significantly…
very cool that you dipped the whole coin
Awesome videos guys. Wow crazy how much detail that last one that was pretty much blank lol Mahalo for sharing and Aloha!!!
BOOMBA SHOOTS 🤙🏽
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed! We were shocked as well to see the details come through so clearly.
@@QuinsCoins I know right. Man the detail that came out was awesome. Might try and pick up some of that nic a date. Also checked out Kevin's Ebay listing and might buy a coin or two. Mahalos again!!!
You probably already saw already, but I have an affiliate link to buy nic-a-date in the video description. Only $7 plus free shipping!
@@QuinsCoins yessir!!! I will definitely use your link when I buy it. One way I can support the channel. Mahalo again Quin🤙🏽
Nice guys! Great brother video.
MAGIC DATE 😆 COOL VIDEO 🇺🇸
Cool video, but it makes me more apprehensive of what I might purchase. Hoping that technology doesn’t ruin a timeless hobby in the near future. Thanks for sharing!
It's been done for many decades.
Learn to recognize coin surfaces and what makes them as they are.
An experienced collector learns to recognize 'honest wear', evidence of cleaning, actual toning, alterations, varieties, errors, etcetera.
Grading is an art form in and of itself and third party grading services' are far from being infallible.
I’m amazed !!!!!!!!!
It’s amazing how that liquid will turn a G4 into a MS60! Great video!
I have a 1909 wheat, pretty heavily worn, but if I use a really good microscope I can vaguely make out VDB...any hope in restoring it at all?
Thanks for sharing a system I haven't seen before. How does this affect value? Thanks again, this deffinately deserved my sub.😎👍👍👌👌⛏⛏
Thanks for subscribing! As far as value goes- there isn’t a ton of value in a dateless coin, so the effect on the value is pretty much negligible. If you were to find an 1880 key date shield nickel using this method, then you would be significantly increasing the value by finding out the date!
@RYAN Yes, I’m a budding numismatist, and one of the very first things I learned was to NEVER clean coins. If there’s no design left on the coin, the silver has worn off. The “coin” you’re using looks like a blank planchette. You can’t resurrect what isn’t there.
@@QuinsCoins It would take some time, but this reply should be cc'd to all of the fools who are commenting here that you are attempting to perpetuate some sort of fraud, which you clearly are not.
@RYAN I have decades more numismatic experience than you and can tell you that you are entirely wrong.
Your high handed indignation is also misplaced.
Nowhere in this video are these young men advocating fraud in any way. They are showing a process by which coins that are so severely worn and / or 'environmentally damaged' as to be dateless can be identified by date after treatment. This process has been used for longer than I have been alive.
At one point, as they pondered the value of a barely identifiable 1880 example, one of them indicated that an acid treated coin would surely grade less than G4, which is accurate.
I have never acid treated a coin in my life and generally show disdain for such coins. That said, there is no harm in further damaging a coin that is already so severely worn or damaged that its date cannot be discerned. If they are later sold with a description as being treated, again no foul has been committed.
Get off your high horse for a minute or three.
@@gailmarie4039 These coins were so completely worn / damaged that there was no harm in damaging them further to determine their dates.
Here's where else you're wrong:
The unstruck planchet had a nearly even hardness before striking. When the coin is struck by dies in a multi ton coining press, metal that is forced into design areas of the dies is work hardened more than areas in the 'field', or lower areas of the coin's design, where it is simply pushed a bit.
These work hardened areas such as date, lettering, design elements, are hence more resistant to erosion by the acid used to 'restore' such features by eroding the softer metal that surrounds them.
The result will be a further damaged and degraded coin, but identifiable.
An identifiable rare coin in altered grade is more desirable to most than is a generic, unidentifiable coin.
Consider a 'slick' Shield Nickel that is acid treated to reveal a date of 1880. The retail price of an 1880 in G4 (per Numismedia.com) is $1,260 while an 1883 in the same grade is $24.
As scarce as 1880 Shield Nickels are, someone will pay hundreds of dollars for an acid damaged, yet identifiable, example.
Just WOW!
It's like magic lol I like it 👍
Do they make a product that will work on copper or bronze coins ?
From my experience, acid dated nickels tend to revert back to “unreadable” after a couple years. I have a few key buffalos that had clear dates after the acid treatment and now are unreadable again.
Are you able to retreat them and restore the date again?
John Sharp - maybe once. Maybe twice. Eventually the acid eats away enough of the nickel metal so that the date will be gone forever.
@@victorluc66 Guess the best thing to do is part ways with it before it reverts back.
@@johnsharp8627 all I can say is the first 10 minutes i could not see any of the dates. I don't get the whole point since these will revert back anyway. Stopped watching after 10 min.
WoW! Now they are totally worthless, LMAO. Congrats
Like how you made this video, with the picture in picture, and the use of nic a date, glad you used gloves ,that stuff is wicked bad!
Muito bom
Thanks for video I like it
Great Video
I was just about to melt mine, but found you guys just in the “nick”of time. That was fun to watch too.
You were gonna melt nickles? For what reason? They're worth more as worn coins.
wtf is wrong with you
Great video thanks for sharing
What is the weight of that after the dip ? I would imagine it was off from the wear over the years
Thanks
Cool magic!
Interesting work here ✔️✔️ I was wondering what these coins are made of ❓ I guess any pure metals even ware down eventually. Is the acid ridding of build up on the coin or has it worn down and the coin is so deeply imprinted that the acid defines the print❓
Mind-blowing how there are coins still around that are hundreds of years old.
You can go to your local gold shop / coin collector shop and buy an ancient roman coin for around $5 friend.
Some are thousands of years old! We still have Roman coins and Greek.
Why is that mind blowing? There are artifacts that are 1000+ years old.
@@timbuckohfive2751 guessing because they dont collect old coins and artifacts and dont know much about them?
It’s metal. Keep it away from moisture, and it will last thousands of years.
We love finding new ways to restore old coins!
REC: Don't do this to your coins.
If you are keeping the coin for yourself yeah do it so you can lig it like in a book that's you've cleaned. I use a binder and if not cleanable I test for metals but I keep them separated
I spread with a tip of a toothpick so I dont have to much.
@RYAN Wow
@RYAN What about cleaning silver coins?
I am truly amazed how well Nic-A-Date on some of those nickels. I may have to get some for future silver coins.
Don’t use it on silver coins! It only works on the copper + nickel alloy that nickels are made out of
@@QuinsCoins Thanks for the input.
Awesome
That was interesting, could come in handy. If it was a slick, I’d say you improved the appeal. There’s something to say about conserving a coin versus cleaning it with a Brillo pad. 😆
Truly a dumb ass ignorant process of making the coins totally worthless. LMAO.... Congrats
Have yall did a video of your collections ? If not could yall do one ?
This is so cool. I do have flat coins like that.let me try it
in doing this, do you run the risk of ruining the coin and devaluing it?
if not: is it safe to use on any coins? or does the chemical composition of the coin make a difference?
Yes, because even dateless coins can hold value. However, they don’t hold much value, and by revealing the date, you can potentially increase the value depending on what you get.
You can’t do this on any coins other than nickels
Thanks for doing this, cause I'm going to do this to a 1903 one,have bad V nickel, can't wait to see it!😍
Hey Paul, if you can already read the date then you shouldn’t use nic-a-date on it as it will decrease the value of the coin
OK!
is that acid work on brase or gold as well?
It will work on most metal but not gold
Very nice
I have the following coins:
1) Five Cents *1988* USA.
2) One Dime *1990* USA
Im living in Mozambique
This was a real wow to watch for me. However, what do you do with them after? Sell? Save? etc. Thanks for this video!!
We sold these ones, yes. But also, you could use them to fill holes in your collection albums as well.
@RYAN Hi, my name is Fick, and I have 20+ years in grading rare coins at my shop. The novelty and fun of Nic-a-date plus the fact that you turn a near worthless coin into a different version of a near worthless coin should not matter to you. People aren't going to be doing this to a MS67 XF 16D, this is all for fun and games, LET THE MAN GET HIS BAG AND MAKE VIDEOS
@RYAN I have decades more numismatic experience than you and can tell you that you are entirely wrong.
Your high handed indignation is also misplaced.
Nowhere in this video are these young men advocating fraud in any way. They are showing a process by which coins that are so severely worn and / or 'environmentally damaged' as to be dateless can be identified by date after treatment. This process has been used for longer than I have been alive.
At one point, as they pondered the value of a barely identifiable 1880 example, one of them indicated that an acid treated coin would surely grade less than G4, which is accurate.
I have never acid treated a coin in my life and generally show disdain for such coins. That said, there is no harm in further damaging a coin that is already so severely worn or damaged that its date cannot be discerned. If they are later sold with a description as being treated, again no foul has been committed.
Get off your high horse for a minute or three.
@@fickoffduck675 Well stated.
I use a toothpick in the thickest part a drag it where I need it. But I've never used it on anything other than a Buffalo. I've learned using coconut lard on the coin after rinsing has brought it to its luster and stopped the nic a date completely
Will it work on silver ?
amazing
That's actually ridiculous! Super cool
Question fellas. They say not to clean my coins. When one sends them to have them appraised, do the appraisers ever clean them properly to help bring the price up? And is there a solution like you are using here for pennies?
And if there is a solution, if I use it, will it devalue my pennies? Thank you.
i have very old coins like 1891 and 1899 1905 but i don't know how to sell them or how much they are worth can you guys help me out
So with the age of these coins surely mintage and how many still exist will be different. How do you find the actual value of a coin if you dont know how many are still around?
Very. Good
This makes me even more shocked that the 1822 coin I've once found (without even a metal detector, it was a surface find!) has quite a bit of detail and a very clear date!
What kind of coin in what environment?
Gold can survive unscathed in seawater for centuries while copper and nickel quickly degrade if buried in moist soil. Silver will degrade, but not as badly or as quickly as copper or nickel.
If your 1822 coin survived well in harsh conditions, it may not have been there as long as the date would indicate. It could have been lost much later.
@@-oiiio-3993 That was a copper coin I've found in my school's backyard that was renovated a year or so before. The backyard used to have concrete all over it so I don't think that counts it as a moist environment. The coin was heavily corroded and dirty so I don't think it was touched in a pretty long time. It really doesn't seem it was dropped there recently.
@@Cp-71 Interesting, and cool.
In what general area do you live?
@@-oiiio-3993 A quieter district of a capital city - I don't know how to describe it well
@@Cp-71 A place where British coinage was used in 1822?
Where do you buy nik a date
How can I restore coins which have a kind of purple/rainbow colour on them? Please, help...
were can you get that acid.
Will using this on a coin devalue it, since they always say never clean them? This stuff is amazing!
Yes, it will permanently damage the coin and cut its value by over 50 percent.
just a thought, to get both sides done at the same time, and make it easier to lift out. make a 6 spoke wire cage to dip into solution (bit like a ultrasonic cleaner)
bend "feet" at the edges so the surface is raised off the bottom slightly meaning more acid can get under the coin
hey and PCGS valid this kind of proceed to clean coins
Does that stuff reduce the worth of the coin?
does the solution work for silver coins?
Law enforcement uses a similar process to identify equipment when a stamped serial number was filed off
I have a silver coin that I have no idea the date or country of origin, it is about the size of a ten cents Canadian and it might be, but idk because it's too worn. Idk if it's valuable or not, because idk what it is, should I put through this treatment?
I CAN provide a vid of it if you want to see it
You know it’s gonna be a good video when kevins got that cute grey quarter zip on
Would that stuff be good at revealing a date on a standing liberty quarter.
It has been attempted by many, and from what I’ve read, the answer is no. There doesn’t appear to be a known solution to reliably reveal the date of a silver coin.
Quin's Coins You are wrong. This absolutely restores the date on S.L. Quarters. I’ve done it to several with great results.
You should send that one to get graded as an experiment!
The one that was blank
That is what they use to identify guns with the serial numbers ground off. If you use this with your protective gloves, that one drop being smeared around will cover the whole coin. Being if you have limited funds, your acid will go farther for your budget. Plus these coins are in poor condition, so cleaning them will not matter much. Cleaning coins is bad because if you don't know what you are doing, you can destroy a good coin. I used to polish molds or dies in tool and die. If you polish them right they will not have scratches, except for microscopic scratches.
I hope your brother's the rest of the coins collection doesn't look like these nickels😂😂😂
Nice job guys I’ve seen people use that on Indians. Just wondering does the coin oxidize after it sits for a while?
Thanks! If the acid is not properly removed from the coin after it has been applied, the reaction will slowly continue to eat away at the affected area and you may see a loss of detail over time.
@@QuinsCoins that's not the question... He is asking if the acid stripped so much material that after simple environment humidity exposure it will darken and look almost as if it on his way to turn rust colored.
Can you do this with Spanish half reales
where can you buy nic-a-date
Guessing this will work on Buffalo's too!
Yep, and v nickels as well
And Standing Liberty Quarters, Also.
@@williamrohane3714 Standing Liberty quarters are SILVER... you don't use this on silver.
How much do worn nickels like the ones shown in your video usually cost?
A few dollars. Normally they are found in old boxes of change or really old coin rolls in someone's grandma's attic in a shoebox from 1946. You can also metal detect old properties and find this kind of stuff. Coin dealers tend to sell coins in much better condition. The badly worn ones are almost always finds metal detecting or going through old piles of change. These from the civil war era are exceedingly rare however. Most likely a metal detecting find now that 150 years have elapsed
Can this be used on any metal coin? Or just nickel?
No, it should only be used on nickels where the date is not visible. And so you know, the metal that this product is actually acting on is the copper in the coins- nickels are made of 75% copper and 25% nickel
So, my question is... Why don’t you use the acid on the entire coin every time? Wouldn’t the results be more balanced and even, instead of the eyesore (“dot”) that’s on the coin after doing just the date?
The idea is to damage as little of the coin as possible, but I think that you are probably right in pointing out that most people would rather have an evenly colored coin, even if it means more damage. It’s sort of a tough decision- whether or not to apply acid to the whole coin 🤔
Quin's Coins, thank you for your response. I wasn’t sure if there was a particular “coin etiquette” on this topic. Lol
@@marleyteee9617 The old time 'etiquette' is to not clean coins at all, but as one can see these were already severely worn / damaged.
Nic - A - Date has been around for many decades, going back to the days when a kid would try to fill a coin album with coins found in pocket change. With the date as highest point of the design, dates of 'Buffalo Nickels' and early (pre 1925) Standing Liberty Quarters would soon become unreadable when passed through circulation.
Well, there’s a way to lose money.
If you can't make out the date, it's not really worth anything anyway.
John Sharp well then you should at least just do it on the date.
@@NachoFreckle Agreed!
inflation 5 cents is like 1000$ from 1880s
punker4Real what no not even close
Where do I buy this product ???
There is a link to buy it on amazon in the video description!
So someone mentioned that the acid was dissolving the material on the coin that was not compressed as much as other parts of the coin. But the way that I understand it almost all U.S. coins start out as blanks and these blanks, called planchets, in the mints terminology, are dropped into a collar to prevent the diameter from expanding as the blank is being struck under high pressure by the hardened steel coin die set simultaneously on front and back (obverse and reverse). The dies have the image of the coin's features, lettering, and date in a recessed or "incused" manner. All the other areas of the minted coin are referred to as the "field " which is sort of like the background so to speak. The "field" areas are the smooth areas of the coin with no images or dates and letters. This field or smooth area is raised up on the dies, so this raised area on the dies is the area that exerts the most pressure on the coin blank material as the dies come together and sandwich the coin blank thus compressing and forcing the metal to flow into the carved out recesses on the coin die surfaces. So if this is correct then it seems that the field would be the more compressed areas and not the image, date, or lettering. Can anyone clarify whether or not this would be the case?
How much do you think it would cost me to get my hands on some dateless shield nickels?
Great vids keep it up!
Good question! In my experience, they don't show up in groups often. I have had success cherry-picking them from coin stores and getting the store to agree to a lower price for the lot. You could probably get them for under a dollar a piece if you bundle them. You might also find them mixed in with larger lots on ebay. Kevin might be able to better point you in the right direction though, you should shoot him a DM! instagram.com/kqcoins
I don’t have an Instagram but thanks for the tip!
Hell look me up at pocketwatchpanda and I might even have some dateless that I can dig up for you from my storage bins...
Don't know, but while you are at it find out about Indian Head pennies. I can't find any prices or samples.
@@edvardarmandodelgadodelgad1855 I think all of my Indian Head have dates. 🙄
What kind of acid is that ??
Good Afternoon,
The process you're using..Is that also called Washing/Cleaning a coin which would devalue it?
Yes, it is considering cleaning. However, something you should consider is this- how much is a dateless coin worth? Typically around face value to slightly above face value. So if you start with little value, there isn’t much to lose
@@QuinsCoins I do understand
@@QuinsCoins Bingo.
@RYAN I have decades more numismatic experience than you and can tell you that you are entirely wrong.
Your high handed indignation is also misplaced.
Nowhere in this video are these young men advocating fraud in any way. They are showing a process by which coins that are so severely worn and / or 'environmentally damaged' as to be dateless can be identified by date after treatment. This process has been used for longer than I have been alive.
At one point, as they pondered the value of a barely identifiable 1880 example, one of them indicated that an acid treated coin would surely grade less than G4, which is accurate.
I have never acid treated a coin in my life and generally show disdain for such coins. That said, there is no harm in further damaging a coin that is already so severely worn or damaged that its date cannot be discerned. If they are later sold with a description as being treated, again no foul has been committed.
Get off your high horse for a minute or three.
That sit used to destroy any value the coin had at all unless it was a key date bringing back features on a cull is ok , it wasn't worth anything anyway ,but I hope you mention to the buyer that they are dipped when you sell them,