Necromancy, so frightening, yet so practical. Personally, I dislike the use of wraith against their will, unless of course they deserve such an attitude, but the opportunity to talk with those who live in the Shadowlands always arouses incredible interest in me, however, as well as with those who inhabit the Umbra in general. Perhaps, from time to time, everyone wonders what can be hidden there outside this world and what worlds are potentially waiting there. Once again, thank you for the interesting podcast. Incredibly exciting as always 👍
I would bear in mind that the necromancer does not have any good ability or even context to tell the difference between a wraith struggling with passions, a wraith struggling with shadow and a specter. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the wraiths who spend so much time so close to their fetters and the land of the quick to get caught by necromancers would also be those who are ill equipped or who might have no desire to explain the struggles of spirits on their side of the veil. Also given how competitive the Giovanni are and how hermetic the Cappidocians were that even those kindred who gained strong insight into the struggles of their spirits that they would keep such insights to themselves, unto death.
@@joncooke158 In terms of obtaining information, necromancers have many methods, however, from my position, I prefer a mutually beneficial agreement the most. Given that this wraith stays so close to the Skinlands, there is a lot to offer. The most obvious is the permanent protection of his fetters from being destroyed or used by other necromancers who are not likely to be so diplomatic. Or perhaps he has someone in the world of the living who needs to be protected, or, on the contrary, an old enemy who should get a one-way ticket. The payment will be information that he is ready to share in return for my help or reciprocal services, if any are needed. Simply put, the carrot-and-stick method, in favor of the carrot, which hypothetically will help to get a more reliable and long-term ally and assistant. And in this respect, even not the most powerful wraith can be extremely useful if you know how to properly use his powers.
Interesting. As I've recently added a Giovanni Elder to my current game, the struggle to understand Necromancy is very real. This was a nice summary. In addition, I've also just acquired Wraith 20 for my library, so my understanding of Ghosts mostly comes from other WoD games.
Neonates have no stomach these days, especially those that don't know how to create a humunculor servant. Took a hit to my humanity to make Sýn, but I'm glad I did
@@horusrage /note my character is 41 years old, she has 20 years on me/ "I dont miss it. Since my husband met his final death I find I dont have much of a reason to hold on to it... Aside from the child he and I had before our embrace, but Andy will find their own path. I find sieges to be a much more peaceful place than any Elysium, or Anarch Rant. The Sword of Caine has served me well enough but I think it's time I focus on my own goals. Time to show the ivory tower what we in clan Hecata are capable of. The night is long my friend, take care you do not get lost in it." -Trys(Triss) Millener, Clan Hecata, former pack priest.
Well, to be honest, they can. With the right skill and several conditions are met, the wraith can use his body again. They are called "Risen". Interestingly, in the process, they can repair most of the damage done to their body during death or received after it. However, there are limitations. For example, if their head was chopped off, then it must be relatively close to the body, or nothing will work. And if their corpse had very large wounds or burns, they will still remain on it, albeit in the form of scars. However, they do not become alive. Their body does not rot, but it is still dead, so its capabilities are quite limited.
I'm surprised you referenced the slow historical merging of Necromancy and Nigromancy as Christian theologians began to influence the posthumous rituals of the local culture. Most people see the word and think its some poor joke invented as rather poor humor. By chance have you ever gotten your hands on Robert Lombard's De Nigromancia? Its an absurdly expensive occult text these days.
I am glad and somewhat surprised to know that Colin is still alive.
I like the little Easter egg at the end there. Me thinks a Hunter podcast approaches?
Missed you Blood Daddy. Spying on some mortals shouldn't be too bad.
Never stop doing what you do
Fascinated by necromantic folklore.
This is a subject dear to me, it would be dear to my heart if I had one. There should be more Setian Necromancy but I have a feeling it will come.
Necromancy, so frightening, yet so practical. Personally, I dislike the use of wraith against their will, unless of course they deserve such an attitude, but the opportunity to talk with those who live in the Shadowlands always arouses incredible interest in me, however, as well as with those who inhabit the Umbra in general. Perhaps, from time to time, everyone wonders what can be hidden there outside this world and what worlds are potentially waiting there.
Once again, thank you for the interesting podcast. Incredibly exciting as always 👍
I would bear in mind that the necromancer does not have any good ability or even context to tell the difference between a wraith struggling with passions, a wraith struggling with shadow and a specter. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the wraiths who spend so much time so close to their fetters and the land of the quick to get caught by necromancers would also be those who are ill equipped or who might have no desire to explain the struggles of spirits on their side of the veil.
Also given how competitive the Giovanni are and how hermetic the Cappidocians were that even those kindred who gained strong insight into the struggles of their spirits that they would keep such insights to themselves, unto death.
@@joncooke158 In terms of obtaining information, necromancers have many methods, however, from my position, I prefer a mutually beneficial agreement the most. Given that this wraith stays so close to the Skinlands, there is a lot to offer. The most obvious is the permanent protection of his fetters from being destroyed or used by other necromancers who are not likely to be so diplomatic. Or perhaps he has someone in the world of the living who needs to be protected, or, on the contrary, an old enemy who should get a one-way ticket. The payment will be information that he is ready to share in return for my help or reciprocal services, if any are needed. Simply put, the carrot-and-stick method, in favor of the carrot, which hypothetically will help to get a more reliable and long-term ally and assistant. And in this respect, even not the most powerful wraith can be extremely useful if you know how to properly use his powers.
Wow! I got chills. 🤯
The Nagaraja’s pahs is called the Vitreous Path, as in transparent (or more precise the glass like substance in eyeballs). Not the Virtuous Path.
Interesting. As I've recently added a Giovanni Elder to my current game, the struggle to understand Necromancy is very real. This was a nice summary. In addition, I've also just acquired Wraith 20 for my library, so my understanding of Ghosts mostly comes from other WoD games.
You could say this is necromancy 101
Neonates have no stomach these days, especially those that don't know how to create a humunculor servant. Took a hit to my humanity to make Sýn, but I'm glad I did
It is the overly coddling society they are in. The lack of true horrors. Do not worry about that loss of humanity you won't miss it.
@@horusrage /note my character is 41 years old, she has 20 years on me/
"I dont miss it. Since my husband met his final death I find I dont have much of a reason to hold on to it... Aside from the child he and I had before our embrace, but Andy will find their own path. I find sieges to be a much more peaceful place than any Elysium, or Anarch Rant. The Sword of Caine has served me well enough but I think it's time I focus on my own goals. Time to show the ivory tower what we in clan Hecata are capable of. The night is long my friend, take care you do not get lost in it." -Trys(Triss) Millener, Clan Hecata, former pack priest.
So the new researcher WAS a vampire!
I always found it odd that hermetic magic wasn't readily adaptable but Giovanni necromancy was.
Outstanding video yet again LBN! You get 5 Giovani contacts and a belly full of vitae!! 🧛♂️
Meh, if it's a corpse they ain't using it anymore.
Well, to be honest, they can. With the right skill and several conditions are met, the wraith can use his body again. They are called "Risen". Interestingly, in the process, they can repair most of the damage done to their body during death or received after it. However, there are limitations. For example, if their head was chopped off, then it must be relatively close to the body, or nothing will work. And if their corpse had very large wounds or burns, they will still remain on it, albeit in the form of scars.
However, they do not become alive. Their body does not rot, but it is still dead, so its capabilities are quite limited.
I'm surprised you referenced the slow historical merging of Necromancy and Nigromancy as Christian theologians began to influence the posthumous rituals of the local culture. Most people see the word and think its some poor joke invented as rather poor humor. By chance have you ever gotten your hands on Robert Lombard's De Nigromancia? Its an absurdly expensive occult text these days.
I do not *adds to wishlist*
@@LoreByNightVtM You and me both. XD
Do vampires get indigestion, you didn’t feed from a hep c patient did you
They don't