Is Live Scope the "Real" Answer?
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Brother angler ; You nailed it with your analogys of what I see as a SERIOUS problem in the future of fishing.
The WONDER of fishing is what it all comes down too.
Thx for your WISDOM.
James, thanks for the encouraging words and for your comment. ~John
Once you use FFS you will see wonders you never knew existed. Huge schools of Crappie and White Bass. Large pods of Black Bass, Walleye, and Catfish that you never knew existed. We often follow huge schools of Crappie just to watch them roil and eat on enormous schools of Shad. We occasionally see a Bass or Catfish raid the baitfish. It is truly amazing to be able to see this in real time.
Good take on the subject. I will never use it. The one advantage fish have is they are hidden from our sight... remove that advantage and it's no longer sport in my opinion.
Mack, thanks for sending along a comment. Weather here in East TX was in mid 70s today and I took the Bass Raider out for a few hours. Great Day to be alive! ~John
You hit it right on the head . I quit fishing 20 years ago and started back a year ago . I live on a lake that I could always catch bass and now the fish are just not there . Old people can see that something is not right
Thanks for the comments. All the best. ~John
Great great video Sir. I agree with you about what fishing is all about. I love catching them like anyone else. Fresh air in your lungs and pretty blue sky like you had there today. That is what it is all about John. Thanks for the video. Fish on!
Thanks Vance for taking a moment to leave a comment. ~John
Love your channel@@omoutdoors
Well said brother! The DNR needs to reassess the limits on all species, there are just to many people anymore. What kills me is I`ll see people walk out with a basket full of fish and they`ll be trying to give them away on the way to their vehicle. If you don`t want the fish, then why are you toting them out? Leave them for someone else to catch.
I agree, it seems more people are taking more fish than ever before. It concerns me that the fish population may not be able to stand the pressure. ~John
I agree with your views on subject! I agree with you that it's legal and public water and like you mentioned, I've noticed a change on the waters I fish and fish are there it's just taking a lot more time to find them and get them to bite... I'm in the camp that I can't blame you for using something absolutely legal on public water, but I also believe scope needs to be really looked at and what impact it's having on our fisheries... thanks for the great video sir!!
Lanny, good thoughtful comments. All the best. ~John
Amen! 2:35-2:50 is gold! This is so spot on man and I love your message!!
Thanks for your comment and I appreciate you following along. ~John
I would be honored to fish with you Sir John.
Thanks for the very kind words. ~John
I agree 💯% with what you’re saying.. And thank you for saying it!!
You make a very valid point, I have thought of that possibility as well. Technology as it does many things has taken the mystery out of fun fishing. Als I’m a new subscriber.
I was taught bank fishing by my dad. Just core basics for the most part. Live bait, cut bait & a few lures. When I go fishing with my friends, I always say, “This is God’s house.” as I fish away. The beauty & clarity one gets fishing is better than any therapy from a doctor or any NFL game. There is a tranquility that is only broken by catching or missing a fish. The good laughs had even on skunked days beats the best day at a bar. But when the fish are biting, it’s heaven on earth. Semper Fi
Great comment, especially about being "therapy" ~John
Agree. Good speech.
Well stated, sir! Thank you for the video.
Thank you for following along! ~John
I 100% agree with you !
I agree 100% nice video!
Thanks!
This old gentleman has wealth of knowledge.
Thanks! However, there are lot of folks who know more than I do. So far, it's been 73 years and I'm still learning each day. Hope I've got a few more years to go! All the best. ~John
Excellent analysis on FFS, nothing at all illegal about it, but it's not for me. If it ever gets to the point that I have to have FFS equipment to catch fish, I'll stop fishing and have one huge tackle yard sale.
“I like the wander of fishing.” Amen brother.
LiveScope, SideVu, Side Imaging, Live Vu, whooowee! Game changers! I have LiveScope on my new boat. Haven't used it much as I am still learning. But the latest crop of electronics will make anyone a better fish locator. I love white bass fishing in the spring, hybrid fishing in the fall/winter and bluegill fishing late spring/early summer. The only thing electronics has done for me is help me eliminate a lot of unproductive water. I don't fish where the fish, aint. I'm still not a good fisherman, but I am a good fish locator.
Thanks for following along and for your comments. All the best on your fishing journey! ~John
Loving it OM👍 the fish are there they just moved where else on the Lake 🤓 The mystery and Magic is gone when your using it in my opinion OMJ 🤠 Loving your view point👍
Daniel, Thanks for the comment and kind words. ~John
The fun of fishing is just fishing, the real skill is finding the fish habitat based on the terrain, looking at the contour of the land as it protrudes into the water, using your eyes not electronics. Great video.
I agree, the challenge is what I enjoy along with simply being outdoors. ~John
Those pictures of lots of fish are usually from Guides. We go fishing at least two days a week. We catch more than we can eat so we cull out to a higher standard, meaning we raise the length requirement by at least one inch. After we have a good eating supply, we catch and release. We keep larger fish and smaller fish are taught to avoid lures, making them harder to catch. We only keep teeners(13"-19") in Cats and Walleye. The real benefit is we spend less time on the water so we add less pollution to the lakes we go fishing in. We don't always use our live scope. Bass are easier to find and catch without it.
Thanks for taking a moment to comment. Sounds like you've got a good system for culling the catch. ~John
Fish can't hide from technology period even 2D. I have Livescope and no matter what we have limits on fish. The ones talking bad about it don't have it us that do don't even want to clean a limit sometimes. Livescope doesn't just make fish jump in the boat either you still have to catch them. People will see a video of someone catching fish with the scope not knowing that person put in lots of time and money. My money is in my boat not wasting it on a limit ticket it's the ones without good tech over fishing I've seen it too many times. You have a good one sir 👍🏿
Think your missing the point . You may not keep fish but we know lots do
@@winstonrocco1981 I didn't miss anything I stated my point! The real question is...why do grown men worry about what others do anyways? The Old Fisherman talked crap about Livescope but guess what he has it because he got it free and uses it all the time 🤣🤣🤣
U are fooling no one Scoper..but thx for confirming u rarely ever caught anything before you bought your video game
@@andybales7318 lol you're funny! Get your money up son maybe you can experience the good tech🤣🎣
Amen, I agree 100%!!! Just getting outside and enjoying God's creation and forgetting about life for a while is such a blessing!!! I have seen videos with guys using their live scope and yes, it does look like they are playing a video game. Most of the enjoyment I get while fishing is the unknown, you never know what you are going to hook into on any given cast. Just the other day I went crappie fishing with my ultralight rod from the bank and managed to land some nice slab crappies plus 4 solid bass, the smallest bass was 15 inches and biggest one at 18-1/2 inches. Now that was fun!!!!
Thanks for sending along the great story of your recent fishing. Lots of fun with the ultralight with fish that size! ~John
I agree, well said , new to your channel
Thanks for stopping by and welcome to the channel. ~John
Totally agree
Unfortunately, that happens here also. I want to be careful and not insinuate that everyone who fishing for crappie is that way (Most are not). But the few who do are concerning. ~John
I don't want to get one, because I don't find any weird stuff in Chicagoland waters.
Its totally legal for now..... Same controversy whenever a major innovations come out. When rifle scopes became available, the older hunters were concerned. Same thing when flashers came out in the 50s. Lake traffic has exponentially increased since the lockdowns. More people out and more fish being taken out. That seems like the largest factor.
Agreed when you're watching the fish take your bait on a screen its not really fishing to me.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. ~John
It's not even that. LIVESCOPE allows u to put your bait in their face every time..of course they will bite
When I bought my first Garmin Striker 4 I thought about this. I went from fishing rivers to fishing reservoirs which I had never fished before and thought it would help me out to find the fish. Truth is I use it more for temp readings and Navigation more than actually finding fish. Last year I did invest in a Garmin Striker Vivid 7 just for the bigger screen but have not had a chance to use it.
Thanks for taking a moment to send along your comment. I also use the Striker 4 to show depth and water temp. ~John
Live Scope is a Unfair advantage to the Fish. Game Department’s are way behind on this issue. I’m pissed I can’t use Dynamite, OH that would be an unfair advantage ! EXACTLY
Thanks for the comment and hopefully we don't go to dynamite :) ~John
How much added pressure is on your waters? Are there more fishermen and recreational boaters? More factors than just ffs.
Thanks for the comment and excellent questions. Yes, since Covid there has been an increase in pleasure boating and fishing...that's a fair question. However, over the past couple of years I've seen ice chests completely full of fish, caught using live scope, and the fishermen bring them out of the boat and ask people on the bank do they want them because they don't want to take them home! That has a huge influence on the population when you catch more than you can use. ~John
@@omoutdoors with that comment, it is not the FFS, it's the unethical fishermen. I see the same thing from fishermen without FFS. I only catch and release, unless fishing a tournament. And do everything possible to take care of the fish while in my livewell. Thanks for letting me post
On that, ,my friend, we can totally agree! Thanks again for the reply and all the best. ~John
you will not have any fish to catch at all people need to slow down only because you can catch more fish doesn’t mean to say you have to take them all home you can catch a release. I do it all the time please people happy and safe Fishing love you all 🤙🏻
Once you get set up with live scope you will realize there are more fish in your local lake than you ever dreamed there would be. Live Scope makes it easier to find them, it does not make it easier to make them bite.
Thanks for taking a moment to comment. All the best. ~John
Once people fish out a lake they will move on to the next and so on. That leaves the fish to repopulate. Good fishing is enjoyed again and the cycle repeats. Look up the crappie bite on red lake Minnesota.
Thanks for the comment. However, I think it's counter-productive to "fish out a lake" and then wait for nature to replenish. Why would someone want to "fish out a lake"? In my opinion, your comment is why livescope is concerning. Folks will simply "fish out a lake" and not worry about the future. All the best....~John
I don't like it either. However I have no control over them and their behavior. Once a hot bite gets out. All I can take solice in is that I am old enough to see lakes that were fished out come back. And I eat fish too. So I am part of the problem too.
Thanks for the comment and following along. ~John
I have electronics not gonna lie but for me the reson I do NOT do tournaments is because I feel this is the cause of the fish missing. I understand catch and release and I don't have the scientific know how of what it is but tournaments on any body of water are not good. Try fishing on that lake even a week after a tourney and you will be lucky to catch anything. It shoulkd go back to fishing with a bud or a son daughter wife just to get out but 65 boats on any lake with 130 rods in the water IMO is not good. Thanks for the vid
Thanks for taking a moment to share your comment. ~John
Like you...I am concerned about the future of the fish populations.
I does seem that here in Texas there are people catching more fish than ever. It is not uncommon to see pictures of full ice completely full of fish. This happens regularly where I fish. ~John
John if you're right, the way livescope is affecting fish populations, it's only going to get worse. Fishing electronics are only going to get more sophisticated, more effective and more affordable for the average angler.
Jerry, thanks for the comment. I agree the "cats out of the bag" and we'll just have to see what happens in the future. (It may not look that good for fishing) ~John
Truth. My local lake top five tournament big fish (bass) have historically been 7-8lbs. After FFS came out it went to 10-12lbs. Last year it went back down to 7-8lbs. My conclusion is the FFS fishermen raped the lake of all the big breeders and now the lake is on the decline because they will continue to catch/kill the biggest fish in the lake.
I agree, seems like the same thing around here. ~John
I know people who catch 600 crappie in a week end 😢😢😢😢😢
Live Scope is fine fine for the weekend angler, learning fish behavior, and reaction’s to certain lure’s… that said, it should NOT be allowed in professional or college fishing tournaments and l would never use it for any reason! For me, technology ends with water temp and depth.., if I wanted to stare at a computer screen all day I’d just stay at home!
Thanks for the thoughtful comment. ~John
excellent video, I love the passion with which you make videos @omoutdoors, greetings👍
Thanks for your very kind words. ~John
To me fishing is solving a puzzle. I fished with a friend that fished AAA level events, has top 10 finishes at that level and is very good with FFS. We caught a lot of fish the day we fished together but I didn’t feel like we had solved the puzzle. It didn’t feel like fishing and didn’t make me feel when I solve the puzzle and have success. I fished pro level events when I was younger (I’m 65) and still fish club and local events. I haven’t seen any decline in my success over the last several years. I fished about 2 dozen tournaments last year and won 3, about how I was doing 5 years ago. 30-40 years ago when I was the only guy around with any pro experience and I was in my 30’s I won a lot. That’s more about all the information that’s available and the 2nd and 3rd generation anglers that didn’t have to invent it as they go along.
Good thoughtful comments. Thanks for passing them along. ~John
I’m neutral on this, on the topic of over fishing. I do have live scope in certain bodies of water I use it mainly to help pattern the fish,80% of the time I don’t run any electrics, live scope are any technology doesn’t diminish the population of crappie , depending on the size of the body of water that is being fished ( small bodies of water can be over fished) it has been proven by biologist for years now. Me Being an avid fisherman what I’ve noticed about live scope, and most electronics is it affects the fish with over pressuring, anglers will keep pushing these fish and forcing them to move away from the boat, when fish sense the boat they adapted to move away from it. (On highly used bodies of water with electronics)that being said, if you don’t have these electronics, it will be harder to pattern your fish. Giving the appearance that the fish population has diminished In reality, they just moved from your boat. As high as 80% of crappie die of old age in most bodies of water. Again I’m neutral, this is proven facts. I use these electronics because fishing has changed and I adapted to it. Just my two cents.
Thanks for watching and for your thoughtful comment. ~John
I have fished both ways. I catch fish both ways. The blame is not on Live sonar at all. Everyone seems to ignore the huge increase in both fishing pressure and boating traffic. And that is the actual reason for you not catching fish and thinking the population has declined. Keep in mind they are wild creatures. Their means of survival has to do with the ability to adapt and stay alive. There are many instances where you can catch one fish and the whole groups swims off. This was learned from actual experience using the demonized live sonar. I have seen this on many lakes and most where people complain the fishing sucks or there's no fish anymore! Look there are millions more fish in the lake than you could ever imagine. Also live sonar will teach you this. It is a tool and that's it. I mean how many of you still use a tire iron to Change a tire ? It's the new fangled impacts that make it more efficient the reason you got a flat in the first place? Face it ! The fish adapt to survive. We also must adapt to advance our skills. Livescope does not catch fish. It does however help you to learn their behaviors. That's it 😊
Very well thought out comments. Appreciate your taking a moment to send them along. ~John
If the only way a person can catch fish is by using a live scope their not much of a fisherman, their a video expert. There are times I'll turn on my sonar unit and only use it for the GPS if I'm on a new lake and never see the other screens....
I love my livescope. I don't get to go as often as I'd like and any little thing that helps when I do get to go makes sense to me. I don't keep the fish I catch.
Thanks for taking a moment to comment. ~John
I like a little bit of mystery myself. I hope people don’t abuse it. Got my doubts though, mankind has proved itself to be awful greedy, hope we don’t do it with live scope
Thanks for sending along a comment. I agree...I have my doubts. ~John
The 615 people that I fish with on the tours are catch&release we don't keep a single bass, as far as the crappie population I can see were it could hurt the population.
I agree, the crappie and other panfish is where I see the largest decrease around me. ~John
@@omoutdoors 99% of bass fishermen practice catch&release, it kills my soul to see a big bass on a stringer..
Here's the issue, barotrauma. And releasing fish. For instance a tournament angler may release dozens of keepers to die. Only to keep as many big ones as legally allowed. I don't like seeing bass on a stringer. But at least the fish don't go to waste
If it is impacting the panfish population, it wont take long for it to impact the bass populations. Where are those trophy game fish going to find large enough meals to grow big if we're fishing out their food supply? Big fish need big food.
Agree 100% ! It has decimated crappie fishing in my area. I enjoy the day in God's great outdoors as you do. I enjoy both bass and panfishing, but LS has made Bass fish local tournaments an elitist sport in my area. Guess if there is a few left after the live scopers invade our lakes guess we will have to be satisfied. Maybe they will move on to other means of video gaming.
Thanks so much for taking a few moments to send along your comments. Agree; Livescope and expensive bass boats have really made this a somewhat of elitist sport for sure. ~John
I am concerned about the future of my Garmin livescope 😂 strait BS it's a Money thing for sure one unit is $4k so not sure what you smoking broski & no livescope dose not make fish just jump in the livewells 😂
Thanks for comment. I agree, livescope does not make them "jump" in the boat but, you'll have to admit, it does make it easier to find their habitat and increase the chance of catching and increase the quantity of catch. The excessive limits I've seen taken with livescope over the past year or so has absolutely made a difference the fish in our lakes. I'm concerned about the future of fishing more than instant gratification of catching fish with livescope. All the best. ~John
Why you spend so much money for something that doesn't help . I wouldn't care if it was free. I'm not using it because I don't need to. And I still enjoy not knowing where they are for sure and still having a feeling that there's a lake monster out there somewhere
Because that is his choice. Just like yours not to. I have it, i use it. Not all the time, but its there. Since covid there was a huge increase in fisherman and boats on lakes since there wasnt anything else to do really. Wanna talk about fishing pressure, live in S. CAL. Lakes are small, people numerous. BUT the populations are heathy and a lot of people use ffs. Fish adjust. We cant fish at night, guess what there is a huge population of fish that have figured that out and dont feed in the day. They change behaviors. Sorry ffs doesnt reduce fish populations, fisherman that overhavest and waste a resource cause fish populations to decline. @cawbaird5711
I'm brand new to livescope. Yes, it's a game changer but there needs to be more regulations on what you're allowed to keep out of a lake. I use it for crappie, and occasionally will use it for bass. Probably 80% of the time I'm bass fishing I won't use it, it's not essential. Sometimes it is, most of the time no. But the "magic" of fishing to me is catching fish, it's not getting skunked and "oh well that's how luck goes," luck has no part in it. There's always a reason why fish don't bite, the more you're on the water and pay attention to your electronics the more it will teach you about when they will or won't bite, and techniques to get them to bite.
All good comments, thanks for taking a moment to send them along. ~John
Live Scope? Why not just fish in a damned aquarium?
I’ve just discovered forward facing sonar/active imaging recently. I fish in saltwater.
Here’s the facts:
It’s allowed and people will use it.
It will reduce the amount of fish in a system.
Humans, as a whole, will not self regulate.
Agencies will adjust catch limits to compensate for increased harvest.
The joy of fishing disappears with this step in technology for older anglers. Newer anglers, competitive anglers, and impatient/unskilled anglers will use this tech.
Just like spot lock motors, we have improved our ability to find and catch fish. The fishery will decline until government makes us slow down. I don’t like it either, but that’s the facts on this issue.
Agree 100% I have no animosity toward anyone who uses livescope as intended. My beef is when it's used to completely clean out fish in area that has produced for years. Or, as often happens, some livescope user comes to the bank with overflowing livewell or ice chest and is trying to give away fish because they don't want to deal with cleaning them! That surely will affect the future of fishing! All the best. ~John
Today, it's Technology vs Fish...no skill, talent, or technique required....I'm interested in Angler vs Fish...using Livescope/FFS, the fish have no chance & the future of fish populations will suffer tremendously...the phoneys that use it & think they are "fishing" is quite amusing
Thanks for taking a moment to comment. ~John
LiveScope, SideVu, Side Imaging, Live Vu, whooowee! Game changers! I have LiveScope on my new boat. Haven't used it much as I am still learning. But the latest crop of electronics will make anyone a better fish locator. I love white bass fishing in the spring, hybrid fishing in the fall/winter and bluegill fishing late spring/early summer. The only thing electronics has done for me is help me eliminate a lot of unproductive water. I don't fish where the fish, aint. I'm still not a good fisherman, but I am a good fish locator.