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Hang A Hammock Without Any Trees
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2014
- A requested video on how to hang a hammock if you don't have any trees or if you only have one tree that is convenient. The "anchoring" system that I use is a modification of a system I developed for winching my 8 wheeled amphibious off road vehicle out of mud holes if there are no trees available to winch to.
That is an interesting anchoring system for the bipod you created. It certainly distributes the force out over a larger area. Another option for the bipod is if you have two trees that are too far apart is to use the second tree as your bipod anchor. Just wrap your cord around the bottom of the tree.
bwillan That should work well if there is another tree handy within the needed distance. Thank you.
Thank you so much for this video! I just needed to run a ridgeline to hang a tarp over the porch of my dog house and this is such a great idea! Why buy and hammer in a T-post when I can just use two branches. I love being resourceful. Thank you again!!
that anchoring system tho! amazing. i know another single tree suspension that uses a taut line at like a 45 angle and you anchor the hammock to hypotenuse of taut line and other to tree. the problem is anchoring the taut line. the method i've seen used is an auger type dog line anchor. not practical for the backpack. i can def rig up some amsteel and some gutter spikes. thanks!
you need to check out some whoopie sling / continuous loop amsteel + rip stop setup. light, strong, no stretch = comfy
should have approx 30 degree angle on your tree anchors to the hammock (the one tree setup is different i get). also a ridgeline dramatically improves the hang, stability, and comfort.
really good tip on the anchor tho and the flat angle vs acute angle and pulling out the spikes. super solid tip.
Thankyou very much. Well explained and demonstrated. Miss your videos.
I'm going to keep on hoping my luck doesn't run out and I find trees but now I know.
I like that explained very well Lonnie I've never seen that done before
Thanks Lonnie, clever, my friend. The 'harness' weighs next to nothing but provides great anchoring strength. A very practical solution.
Glad you got a mic! I love your videos. I thought I knew some stuff about bushcraft until I saw these. Hammocks are so comfortable for camping. THANKS!!!!!!
Timothy McFarland Glad you are enjoying the videos Timothy. Thanks for watching.
Good advice! This is one of our favorite sleeping systems. The other is the camp cot featured on another of you videos (also the camp chair for naps.)
Thank you for an alternative set-up,
Clark & Virginia
Im working on something like this, since I blacksmith, I am forging my self some custom ground anchors out of some 5160., cross bladed and will have a counter pull to keep them dug.
Thanks Lonnie, that's a nifty anchor system you've got there! I'll be trying that out for sure!
rkellogg6870 You are welcome. Hope it works well for you too.
Thanks for showing your cool anchoring system. Going to have to try this soon
David Chouiniere You are welcome. Hope it works well for you.
A suggestion for adjusting the tension:
Instead of untying the line, you could just wrap the line around the bipod join. It'll tighten the hammock and also add some more rigidity to the intersection of the bipod.
Homemade daisy chain...great thinking Lonnie! Tfs and Atb, Nikki. ( And please, for the love of God, please watch out for that BEAR! Hehehe love watching Buck run thru and reading the comments on how you should watch out for that bear! 😂🤣😉)
Very cool anchoring idea! I have also seen folks make a tripod and run a ridge pole between it and a tree (or another tripod). The ridge pole needs to be pretty sturdy because it counters all the tension when you are in the hammock.
Eric Wright That ridge pole idea with a tripod/s is a great tip. I just might use that this winter in my canvas wall tent. Thank you
I always had a heck of a time hanging a hammock using nylon straps/cords. Once I started using polyester, which barely stretches, I have no issues. On your first setup as you sat down and I saw the stretching, I had flashbacks.
amsteel or some other high density low stretch hollow braid poly for the win!
This is a great system you came up with. I'm going to start using it. Thanks for sharing it.
***** Glad you like the system. thanks for wathing
I use a similar setup but find 1/8” Dynema to work the best. No stretching, adjustable tension if a Whoopi sling is used between poles and first anchor. Also a ridge line will minimize tweaking to get the lay just right.
Nylon or para cord are bad choices as the stretch more so when wet. Para cord is rated at 1/4 that of Dynema of the same diameter.
Thanks for the creative "tricks of the trade" btw! Awesome
Knew about the tripod system but I REALLY like that anchoring system, never seen anything like that before. It looks like a really good system. The guy rope for the treeless anchor is kind of like an anchor line for a boat. Long shallow angle is much better than short steep angle. Rule of thumb for boat anchor line is 8-10 times the depth of water you expect to anchor in. I'm willing to bet you won't find many recreational boaters with the proper length of anchor line. Great video Lonnie, thanks for posting.
***** The knowlege that I used to come up with this method may have been influenced by my marine background of many years ago. Our danforth deepsets worked pretty good but as you said, there needed to be a lot of rope out there to get the shallow angle in order to get the maximum "grab"
If I'll ever get myself trekking poles, I'll try this
I always learn so much from your videos! Thanks!
Catwomanmn That is great that the videos are useful for you. Thanks
Man, that's alot of works, great video:)
Another great idea! You might want to do a bridge in the near future. Heheh . Could be useful somewhere! Seriously. Another way I want to try is a two tripod system next. As long as the inside legs ( lined up with the hammock) don't sink down, it should work. Maybe a pad under them if ground is soft. Also u say you are blown away by your popularity. It seems to me that is the deep need to reconnect with nature. You show how to problem solve wile living in and with nature
Love your video's and that anchor system is great!
Overhere we don't have so much wood (and more regulations...) so I often hang a hammock with one pole and two lines plus a ridgeline which you need for setup.
I find that you can take a lot of the force of the anchors by tilting the pole(s) outward (by moving it's standing point inward, towards the hammock) so that the pole almost runs parallel to your hammock. This way the pole diverts a lot of the force into the ground and the line is mostly to stabilize it. You will need a ridgeline in this case to prevent the pole from falling over.
(hope this is a clear description)
edit: of course that just means it's much more like the tripod system only with one stick and two lines. Or two sticks and one line in your setup.
here's what I mean in a picture:
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Fourteen people too fat for hammocks disliked the video, lol
+TAC-Z lol. yeah I have produced videos with serious survival and or bushcraft info that was not found anywhere on the internet. I was the first one (to my knowledge) to have brought that info to the broader public's attention. There are always people that will thumbs down even those videos. I have finally come to the conclusion that the thumbs down don't really mean a whole lot and they don't bother me as much as they used to. I believe now and always have, that I need to produce videos that I am happy with and enjoy doing first and foremost. If any one else enjoys them and benefits from them then that is icing on the cake so to speak. That philosophy has served me well judging from the number of views and the rate of constant new subscribers joining the channel. Take care and thanks for watching.
***** You seem like a genuinely nice guy and your bushcraft knowledge astounds me. I have watched a half dozen of your videos and have learned something new from each one. I am quite envious of your location. I wanted to move out to the Rockies but was pressured by my family to not go so far away so i got a little place in the Ozark mountains. I am looking forward to using your techniques and teaching them to my kids. Thanks for the videos.
TAC-Z I agree, I have learned a lot from watching Lonnie! Keep on keeping on, my friend. Tfs Atb, Nikki Blessings❤️
noone is to fat for a hammock but your comment definately shows some people are tok DUMB for hammocki g
I believe that a small percentage of people watching on phones fat-finger a thumbs up and hit a thumbs down by mistake.
Excellent video, and great explanations!! Truly appreciated!!
Very innovative. That's something that could be carried even when on foot. Thank-you for posting this video. Cheers, b.
biggles1024 Yes it could be carried on foot. Like I said in the video the poles don't need to be as long as I made them so could be made shorter for packing. Or many times you may not be able to find a tree on site but could find short length of poles like used here. The stakes could be made on site so the only thing needed to be packed in many case might only be the rope portion of the anchor which is compact and light weight. Thank you
Great Job! Love the anchoring system!
TomsBackwoods Thanks Tom
Love the system with the spikes, Thanks for that.
***** You are welcome. Thanks for watching
+Far North Bushcraft And Survival Hi Lonnie. Wandered into this video again and watched it a second time. A question came to mind: Have you ever tried to reverse the direction of the _lean_ of the legs? In other words, put the feet of the legs closer to the hammock and the top of the legs farther away. Never tried it myself, but it seems like it should reduce the pull on the anchor line and maybe reduce the amount of sag in the whole system as the hammock would be mostly pulling against the legs themselves (and driving them into the ground more) instead of against the anchor line. What do you think?
(Added) I'm also thinking about that setup above as a way to use two sets of legs in a place completely without suitable trees (yeah, I know you need leg material). Two sets of legs, each leaning outward and anchored, might work.
I personally have not needed to use this method yet since there are always trees where I go. I personally think that regardless of support lean direction there will still be about the same amount of pull on the anchor system. Yes you should fully be able to do this system without ANY trees on either end. You will need a type of rope with minimal stretch like maybe polypropylene. Nylon would not be a good choice due to it's stretching characteristics. Good luck
You sound like Tom Waits. I like your vid, good work! I live in Abu Dhabi, so camp in the desert a lot which is hot and there are no trees. I will try this technique + attaching to my car! Thank you :)
A nead idea with a bipod support for hammock. But I think the more effective anchor system would be 'deadman anchor'. Of cause, you will need some kind of a shovel, but you can save the weight of spikes.
Dmitry Golub Like I said in the video, you can also save the weight of the spikes by making your own DIY pegs on site. Under certain circumastances such as a very loose soil or sand, a deadman anchoring system would probably work better.
Nice one mate! Thanks for posting this up.
Machete Bushcraft Australia You are welcome Thank you.
If you angled your bipod back into the line, the hammock wouldn't sag as much. the shear force form your weight pulls the bipod towards you. If you angle the bipod out, the shear force will drive the line down on the bipod closer to 90 degrees, preventing sag and lowering the risk that the bipod slips out from under you.
***** The problem was not so much the angle of the the bipod but rather the "stretchiness" of the cordage I was using.
i like the anchor idea, but clearly you need trees even if its for the poles :)
+Tac Blades You "clearly" do *not* need trees. That is what this video is all about. You are going to need *something* though it does not need to be wood from trees. You can use dimensional lumber, electrical conduit piping etc.... anything that is stout enough to support your weight.
Ah ok i see yes you could carry it in, are the anchors strong enough to have one at each end, if so its ideal for temporary setup for testing gear and diy stuff.
+Tac Blades Whether the anchoring system is secure enough to have one on each end depends on th eground type and length of the actual anchor system as well as the number of anchor points on each end. Yes it would work very well if that was all taken into account and accommodated for. I believe that is what one of the commenters on this video did and said it worked well for her.
Hi Lonnie, I`m an Hammock enthusiast so this is just what I need in case I am one or two trees short:-). The anchoring system is also good skill to have for many situation!
Thanks for sharing!!
Joe Falchetto Glad you liked the video Joe. Thank you.
Another great one, Lonnie! If you ever need a month or two of warm, Sierra.about 25-30 miles from Yosemite, pm me...
I like the anchor system. That was worth watching all by itself.
I wonder how a tripod with a single central line anchor would work for that. It would require one more pole but much less line. With the pole ends dug in a little and that central anchor coming straight down through the center of the tripod I think it might be much more stable.
Only one way to find out huh? I'll have to go try it!
Michael Travis If I understand what you are saying correctly, I think it would be very difficult to get the line anchored well enough to withstand the force that would be pulling it in an upward direction out of the ground. What some people have done who wish to use tripod/s is to then use a ridge pole between the tripods or tree and tripod to keep the tripod/s in place. No line would then be needed for an anchor. If you do give your method a try, let me know how it goes for you. I would be interested in the outcome and execution thereof.
You have a deal sir.
good tip, run the evo set up my self and dig it so far. A little heavy though and looking for something lighter.
dseed Thank you. I'm loving hammocks more and more myself.
Always great stuff ,Blessings and stay safe .
Gary Gerow Thank you Gary
when the shit hits the fan,I'll know who to call
Angelia Bell Lol. Hopefully by then YOU wont need to call anybody because you will be prepared and self sufficient and others will be calling YOU. Take care.
You just got a new subscriber, and I honestly don't know why it took me so long! I can't tell you how grateful I am for you and wife taking the time and effort to share all the knowledge you have accumulated throughout years of experience. So thank you and I can't wait to continue to watch your videos! Now onto my question:
I found out for myself yesterday that you can't just use the legs of two tripods to hang from, as the pressure draws horizontally more than vertical. In your opinion, would it be better to run (and then anchor to) a third horizontal ridge pole from tripod to tripod, or to simply tie the tripods down to a stake, as you've done here? Thanks and I hope to hear back from you, I understand you're probably quite busy :).
I would say that it depends on the availability of suitable wood. If you are wanting quick set up time then perhaps the staking might be a better route but if you want rock solid, and you have available materials, then the ridge pole might be the better option.
Thanks for the advice. I'm using it as a permanent place to hang from for me and my fiance in our yard. In case anyone cares, you can place the ridge pole right on top of the tripods, in the cross sections above the tripod lashing. However, i would advise that you notch and then lash the bottoms of the tripods as the weight will be bearing at the top sections of the tripod legs, which could potentially leverage one of the legs off the ground causing the structure to collapse on top of you. Lashing them together makes the whole setup rock solid!
Great advice my friend.
***** Thank you Andrew
Thanks Lonnie
Well stone a crow we live and learn, thanks for sharing
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Great stuff man...thanks for the vid.
Hi Lonnie. Could a person use a hose clamp to join the branches together or would they not be strong enough? Thank you and God bless you and family always.
I would guess that a hose clamp would not be strong enough. I personally would not trust one in this application.
Awesome tutorial. Why does it sound like you’re about to have a heart attack tho
how do you think this would work if you used say a piece of wood about 1" x 8" made as stake. I would think it would hold more than steel spikes?
Yes potentially the larger wood stakes may hold better.
good video old linkless likes that anchoring system
Linkless Tennessee I appreciate the positive feedback. thank you.
Hey man, THERE'S A BEAR ABOUT TO ATTACK YOU AT 2:44 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You could make life easier doing the setup by simply adding a ridgeline to your hammock to allow you to set your spikes (or tent stakes) while under tension, that is how I do it when I can't find a second tree.
Thanks so much Lonnie. Hadn't considered this possibility and usually travel with a bivy bag in the back country just in case I have to go to ground. Have seen this method used in winching a truck out of a hole without trees around but only a single line of loops was used. Making a "V" makes so much more sense. Going to add one of those to my ATV saddle bag as well! Don't you feel like a tasty grizzly bear enchilada in one of those in your country? ;) (I'm counting that black bears don't think like grizzly bears lol).
Canesser I heard that "our" grizzlies have been whispering to "your" blackies and giving hints and tips. lol You are welcome my friend
Cool idea! If you don't mind, how much do you weigh?
+John Umm I weighed about 160 lbs as is in the video. The weight is immaterial really as this system can be good for any weight by using more or less anchor points and stronger or weaker cordage as well as bigger or smaller support poles
hello Lonnie could you do a video on how to keep your dog safe and warm in extremely cold conditions. thank you and God bless. take care
A dog is capable of handling very cold weather but they have to be acclimatised to it. In other words, if left outside in the summer and allowed to grow used to the cold weather as it comes, then they can handle some very cold weather. A house dog is not well adapted to cold weather though since they are used to living in a climate controlled environment.
Far North Bushcraft And Survival thanks for the helpful answer. take care.
You do not have to use an A-frame. You can use a single (forked) beam. Try it!
Marc Jacobi The problem with the single pole would be the constant swaying side to side of the pole and consequently the anchor line (when moving around in hammock) could potentially work the "anchor" loose. This bipod eliminates that concern by keeping the anchor line always being consistently pulled in the same direction.
PERFECT!!! Getting ready to go on another kayak trip with my son, and since we are hammock campers, I always get a bit hesitant when we have to pass the "legal" flood plain to stealth in the woods. I watched many systems over the years, but just stuck with the stealth hammock hanging. When we head out tomorrow, this is what I will set up for the two of us. Regretfully all I have right for extra cordage is paracord....which stretches. About how long is your cord, and what length between loops? If you mentioned in the video, my apologies as my sound card went bad in my computer. Thanks in advance; DivaB
DivaBClub Hope your trip goes well for you. The length of the anchor rope was 10 feet long and the loops are placed every 10 inches. This does not need to be exactly like mine but you can use mine as an example. Good luck
It worked like a dream!!! Made one for my son and for me, and for the first time in 3 years we actually did not have to stealth camp on a kayak trip and were legally camped on the flood plain :) I lashed a cross stick to them for our tarp, as we usually just hang under one tarp. Thank you so much, if I knew how to send you a picture, I would.
P.S. and we were in rocky sandy area. I did more loops on mine as I'm a bigger gal, and burried the pegs deep, then cover them back up to help them hold. Thanks again; DivaB
Hope you don't mind, but I posted a thanks and your video here...plus you'll be able to view the pictures I took also :) Thanks again so much. www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php/112701-First-time-in-3-years-to-camp-legally-while-on-kayak-trip-%29?p=1487201&posted=1#post1487201
DivaBClub Thanks. Don't mind at all. it's great when appreciative viewers share our videos and channel with others. The exposure helps our channel to grow.
great idea!!!
I wish to live close to the forest!
Jaffa Aviv I realize that my wife and I are very blessed to live here. I hope that you can live "close to the forest" also.
***** I hope so too haha
Good job thanks for video
Thomas Wilson Welcome and thank you
muy bien uso amigo mio ...tratare por ambos lados sin arbol....gracias buen like...
+MARKUS ATAHUALPA BARCENAS You are welcome and thank you. This can be done the same on both ends and not using a tree. I have heard from others who have used my method without trees and it worked well for them.
jaja gracias mi buen estaremos en contacto saludos y abrazos
I like this, I am going to try it.
+Leslie Hunt Good. Hope it goes well for you. Thank you for watching.
Great idea ! Was that a bear that ran by at 2:45?
+TheTrailHammer No that was my dog "Buck" he is a medium large dog that is part mixed lab and part Bouvier. He is black in color.
'nuther great How-2 Video, Brother. Glad we watched this. Now, an ARGO-Video 'comin soon 2 a channel near U ? Would love 2 C 'er in action, Not 'getting swamped, Just out enjoying your part of the woods ? Thanks 4 sharing with us, Say howdy 2 Connie & give 'ole Buck a scratch 4 us here, Friends.
Happy Trails Down The Path A 'Lil East Of Ya's ATB Ter & Mel
" GOD BLESS "
T.W. Milburn I passed on the howdy to the others here for you all. They said howdy back. Well Connie did. Buck just grinned when he got his scratch from you all. Don't think I'll be doing an Argo video. I don't want to stray too far from the Bushcraft and survival "theme" of the channel. Sorry.
***** I completely understand, Brother. Stay Safe!
Brilliant!
Ray Finch Thank you.
Also found a video by Varavild Bushcraft using only one pole but may play a little havoc with this anchoring technique The Single Tree Hammock Setup Could be an interesting hang on a windy night (but will make it harder for the grizzly to latch on to ya as well lol).
Canesser Yes I have watched his video before and you are right. I don't think it would work very well with this anchoring system. You would need an anchor like the log that he used in order for the single pole to work effectively. I was trying to picture a griz trying to get a grip while a hammock is swaying wildly and it reminded me of "bobbing" for floating apples in a bucket as a kid. lol
***** LOL! Busting a gut on that one brother!
Why not make a tripod? That would have prevented some of that sag and bounce.
It would be virtually impossible to keep all three legs of a tripod on the ground in a stable position due to the stretch of the rope. In other words, A tripod would be no more stable than a bipod since that is what it would become. anyway.
@@Far-North-Bushcraft-Survival Not if you didn't wrap the hammock straps around the tripod. Just left them free sliding.
you may want to consider time lapseingspeeding up the moments when you are nailing in the spikes for the viewers sake
Brains count.
hears an idea try a dead man so named cause ya burie it dig a small trench guy your size 12 in by 16 in acros tie cord around a 4 in log segment 18 in long put it in hole from cehter of that ya have a trench 1 in wide 90 deg from 1st for line on angle like tour 19 ft line was this is stronger logers use this on larger scale to ancor tail end of sky lines to lift 2 ton logs with
preper embaeado Deadman is a good trick to use in some circumstances but in some areas there might be just too many tree roots to be able to dig very easily. Plus it would be easiest if you had packed a shovel to assist in the digging. But there are places though where a deadman would be superior to my method such as in sand or snow. I have used deadmen to guy out my lines on my wall tent in the winter. A great method to have in your arsenal of knowledge for sure
Nine inch nails
Cool idea! If you don't mind, how much do you weigh?
+John Umm Thanks and thanks for watching
What would you recommend me at 200-210lbs or should I just guess and try? Haha