My wife and I just had a baby. I’ve been uninsured for almost all of my 26 years. It ended up being c-section and the total cost was going to be 40k. After telling them that we’re uninsured, they dropped it down to 5k. Most Healthcare insurance is entirely a scam
I'm unaware of your exact reason for the C-section. Did you know that a majority of c-sections given aren't given because they need to happen but, for the protection of the hospital. They told us it would have to be a C-section.. and we got a midwife and delivered our child at home.
"You can't live in a system that allows this to happen" That's why it's so important that these CEOs are accountable under the law. Otherwise, people will keep doing this.
@@kareem199928 If the Ceos and politicians get even worse off then people will take their heads, what do you expect, that's a 0.001% versus majority of middle to low class society, just centuries ago it was the norm.
@@kareem199928 Ahahah that's some take you got there. It goes both ways he says hahaha! If offing corrupt ones became more widespread, the ones who doubles down to become even more corrupt would win a priority ticket for the offing. So no, it doesn't go both ways...
What if someone feels compelled to take revenge on you just because they don't like your company? How low do you have to be on your IQ to think that's okay?
Why would someone shoot you for doing volunteer work? Being a CEO of a company that sentences people to death by saying fuck you no I'm not going to cover you is not volunteering, shitty example shitty take.@@AcidGubba
?? That's not the reason lmfao. I read the entire reason why, and it's basically governmental BS and stipulations as the reason why they're not getting the money.
No you arent. In China my lost dog took 30 min to be found by police tracking down the guy's license plate with his 4k photo on camera and literally got his identity info and phone number, called him on his phone to ask him bring back my dog. In USA anything lost is gone for good.
@@breadconsumer9320 the us and china has fundamental level of difference in control of the population. i dont doubt the theoretic ability of the us to implement such control, but you lack the social / political infrastructure to execute. such control clearly have its pros and cons, and the example I give is just my personal experience where I benefit from. i choose to stay in the us, because I think I can be responsible for my own safety in exchange for the level of freedom, but a lot of traditional / conservative chinese ppl think its fine to give up some freedom to live in a safe neighborhood. again, the population / density difference between china and us is huge, and public safety is a lot bigger concern
@cattybac2247 it is thought the usa has some level of police anarchy. A police state where no one can legally defend themselves from crime, but the police allow crime, leading to a moral decay or something like that. It is a police state, but a different kind. China is similar, but has one difference of predatory mass surveillance to accuse non crimes. No protections against u reasonable search and seizure.
The FBI isn't even going to pay the rewards money to the snitch. What's $60,000 to the Feds? The rich will go to any lengths to keep the poor as poor as possible.
Asmingold, I have 20 years of experience in the industry. As a provider and as an employee of insurance entities. I do not condone his actions. I do understand his motives. The system is a machine of mass murder. If it has not affected you, you are either lucky or in the class of people who are not affected by it. You are in that class now, aren’t you?
Asmon has a strangely ignorant and optimistic viewpoint on the legal system. No amount of voting can fix the federal level corruption and judges are often nasty pieces of work.
"You change the system democratically." Bruh, if that actually worked, you think insurance companies would be as scummy as they are?? Look at how many people universally agreed with the shooter, and look at how many spat on the CEO's grave.
Right? How many fathers and husbands did he send to their deaths by declining to finance the healthcare they needed and paid for for many years? Sure shooting someone is not okay, but let's not pretend the victim was a poor innocent kindhearted soul who did his best for humankind.
It’s an emotional argument they use to blackmail you. It’s the same kind of argument used when talking about immigration and family separation in result of deportation
@@Jorendohow many? Do you even know, or are you just assuming or repeating things you’ve heard others say? How many people has his company saved? Surely you don’t think that number is zero.
Asmon couldn't be more disconnected from the real world. Him saying that people choose their own health insurance is completely untrue. The mass majority of the country has to pay for whatever insurance provider their work decides to partner with. HR has a tendency to try to find the most cost efficient insurance option based on what the company is will to pay. That a lot of times leads to workers and the average joe being forced to settle with whatever option their employer gives them. That unfortunately can result in having to pay for insurance like United Healthcare.
Yea asmon can't hide that he so afraid of being banned or cancelled by government if he stand with luigi and the truth, cuz asmon got premium level insurance to pay…so, fundamentally to say asmon got no differences to those msm, in this specific topic on luigi, both msm and asmon doing nothing but substituting concepts while trying to prove luigi killed 'innocent ppl' other than a murder as good as a scammer.
@@DeBeard You know, I didn't care much for the old asmon, but at least he said what he thought. Now that he's self censoring and has been shoved into the corner, I like him less. I wish we could have more real conversations on the surface webs instead of kissing the boots of every billionare on the planet.
I dont view this in a "what this guy did is bad" kind of way. I see this as an inevitable outcome, there will always be people that are completely willing to take things the farthest they can. No amount of calling that behaviour bad will stop it. From a logical standpoint, the CEO literally had what was coming. People were murdered in a legal way by united healthcare, and so the people decided it was fair that the CEO was murdered as well. These aren't my beliefs, these are facts of what happened. I do need to say, the majority of people defending him do not fall into your projected demographic, that view is incredibly shallow and dismissive. The people desperate for change are the ones effected the most. The one that initiated everything is proof of it
Well yeah, there are messed up people. Logically it's going to get worse when the economy gets worse. This is true. Logically though, do you think it was the right decision for Luigi to do that? This was the point of the argument.
@@Bunn77 My answer like everyone else's would be a subjective guess. It can go both ways, from it being the push that changes the system, to people forgetting and things staying the same. at least until some years down the line when someone else gets fed up. If this is a moral question, I still don't have an answer. I don't know Brian. He could have been a great person that was heavily villainized, or he could have been cartoonishly evil; being okay with the deaths of others if it means profit. But I'm not the judge that decides whether a person deserves the death penalty, I don't know him. What I do know is people became frustrated, with him becoming the target of that frustration regardless of if he was a good person or not. Logically, on the surface level that would put Luigi in the wrong. But Luigi has the potential of saving exponentially more lives than the one he took. So I don't know, and sometimes not knowing is better than choosing a side randomly.
He honestly trusts the system, but it's that very system that got us into this situation. It only works when people are fair. Soon as a bad actor gets in. They might not be able to take control of the country immediately, but they can chip away at policies, and stuff like the media can be influenced to make that easier. 20, 40, 50 years and eventually you're in a situation where your country is at 60-70% taxes, companies controlling everything.
He's asking all these questions as if this dude was ever going to be put on trial for unethical business practices and the way he was steering this publicly funded company. NEWS FLASH Asmond, people and companies like this will break the law because the profit margin far outweighs the criminal penalties and fines they would have to pay. Do you deny this fact?
Dude acting like his soft, non-realistic takes about the world and people's philosophies speaks for the most of the population. Actually insane how ironclad his bubble is.
@@Idiosynchrosis Right? He just says a society will not be able to function if this sort of thing happens in a society. So the French revolution wasn't a thing? A lot of people needed to die to get that country back on track. Using Diddy as a example, the people with his power and influence need to fear us. Look at that chump Jay Z and how he's lashing out and flexing his power and influence because he has been called out in some capacity. My question is, why is Diddy the only one sitting in jail right now?
As someone who works in healthcare and is going to school for it. No one and I mean literally no one I know in healthcare is sad about that CEO dying. There’s tons of reasons why. But one of the biggest reasons why is the hoops healthcare providers have to go through to provide services to their patients. Patients will go to doctors and the doctors will prescribe a treatment plan. Whatever that plan is, sometimes insurance companies will legit seek out doctors approval for when they see the treatment plan. That treatment could have all kinds of specialists and reasons behind it and still the insurance companies will deny it. They won’t cover the cost or even a fraction of it. And while most hospitals offer payment plans, some people just cannot afford it. But that’s not even getting into pharmaceuticals… there’s something quite evil about these health insurance companies. Denying coverage for millions of patients… and that’s sickening. A lot of healthcare workers care about their patients. It makes us so angry to see these health insurance companies do this to people. It first started under bush but it’s gotten worse over the years. You can see this in the medical billing side. I don’t actively wish harm on these CEOs but they have it coming. When you put profit over peoples lives, it’s bound to come back and bite you in the face. Also yeah hospitals get greedy too, let’s not even go there either…. When these business snakes infiltrated every facet of these hospitals, this is what you get. I saw it very recently in the hospital I currently work at. A person who was a manager in the medical side got pushed into a financial manager position. They told him to either move to that position or leave the company. It’s wild what they’re doing
@@Soli2deYT buddy its a cancer. it grows and grows and the longer you let it eat you alive the worse it gets. its not government or companies its just cancer.
42:24 “It’s not an illegal action” because “it’s not defined to be illegal”. So if our lawmakers write the laws to benefit themselves and other rich people while literally killing people by denying their medical claims and procedures everyone is supposed to roll over and take it, because it’s “defined as legal”???? Really??
It's a stupid argument, it's like saying the people we vote to represent us are 1 to 1 our opinion so we can't complain on the outcome of laws forgetting both options on the table have the same view.
I’ll do what Asmon does here, where I take his logic and apply it to another scenario; 1.) Asmon says terminally online people are out of touch with the majority/regular people. 2.) Asmon is terminally online, probably more than most of us. So then HE is the one who’s out of touch and with the fringe opinion.
How about instead of using a hypothetical scenario maybe you should look at history, something that actually happened. People were fine with rolling the aristocrats heads during the French Revolution until it was being done to them
@@adds-kz3oc they’re not wrong. I’ve worded the same things you’ve just spelt out and my comments have been removed. I guess it depends how much you engage on TH-cam
Asmon - "... don't be surprised when they start doing it to you" They are already doing it to you. Just because normies aren't getting "pew-pewed" but instead slowly getting choked economically and medically doesn't mean it's not happening Asmon. The oligarchs are not replying, the people are.
@DeeaA-d5r Declining birthrates are all over the world, including countries with the best health care systems in the world. So no, the fact that the US is so addicted to insurance scams that have ballooned the costs of healthcare is not the reason why there is a declining birthrate. Back in the baby boom times, a simple viral infection could just kill you as there were not proper treatments for any of that.
@@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019This is a situation where it's both right wing and left wing people are fine with this. It's not a left vs right thing. That's just bull.
@@blakerogers9600uh not really, left wing wants a utopian central healthcare system, right wingers just want lower prices, anyone with an iq above 50 realizes this won’t lead to either
He's looked at as a hero because everyone knows the judicial system is essentially owned by the same individuals who are extorting it. That's why he said it, it was "necessary".... his language is very telling. He was intelligent, he probably pursued legal avenues first, and gradually realized NOTHING would happen to him. People call this kid insane for taking 1.... meanwhile the company the guy runs takes thousands daily.
Also, the comparison to gun factories is nonsense, i'm sorry. The difference is one of them is marketing specifically to take essence, one is marketing on LIES pretending to save, when it's actually taking essence.
@@AcidGubbaNuremberg argument. You represent any company that you work for whether you like it or not. If you don’t want to be a target, then don’t work for shady business. Simple.
@@AcidGubba… not everyone’s company steals peoples money under the disguise of help… which then ends thousands of lives when said company doesn’t help and provide what was paid for.
"Probably" pursued legal avenues? Your confirmation bias is off the charts, you know NOTHING (same caps as you) about this man. How about you go put some money on his books since youre such a big fan.
The fact that one murder in crime-ridden New York is getting more media attention than all the wars and craziness happening around the world right now is a big red flag. The people at the top really didn't like this happening and I think that alone should make people stop and reconsider whose side they should really be rooting for in this matter.
@@skurknilsen Takes a huge spark of insight for people to figure this out, and most are barely able to tie their shoes and remember their next doctors appointment.
Yeah just lobby for democratic change in a system that at every turn has shown you that it is bought and paid for, like this is idealistic to the point of delusion
5%? Doubt it's even that. Damn near every state wanted abortion. The right thought their voters would ride with them, and when they didn't, they still made it illegal in their states, or put heavy restrictions on it. Even tried to make it illegal to seek healthcare in another state.
This situation reminds me of a joke I heard from a friend when someone tried to use the quote, "The pen is mightier than the sword." To which he responded "I'd like to see you try and write about it while there is a pissed off man with a sword chasing after you." This CEO happily (and legally) ended lives through the use of a pen, and he got found by a pissed off man with a sword...
"the CEO denying health care claims is not an illegal action"-Asmon THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! People are radicalized and pushed to do things like this when the system fails. And the American healthcare system has failed catastrophically.
Canadians fly to get your "failed" healthcare all the time. It's the best in the world. You have absolutely no idea. If you don't like the contract, don't sign it. If the company breaks the contract you sign, you can sue them. Nothing this guy did had ANY justification. He's an unstable Communist.
Asmon seems like the kind of guy who would be quick to tell you "legality and morality are two separate things" but conveniently forget all about that whenever it's convenient.
@@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555 Plenty of people have separated over a DUI I'm sure. People who get DUI's tend to have drinking problems, which cause relationship problems. No one wants to be with a drunk who can't even make the rational choice to not drive while drinking. And that often carries over into relationships.
Why can't asmon answer any question? All he does is refute people's argument by asking to answer an insane strawman? Person: "I agree with the message that luigi is sending" Asmon: "So you agree that someone should be allowed to burn an entire federal building with hundreds of employees?" And then proceeded to antagonize the chatter for a scenario he made up.
He’s the goddamn strawman king. Every counter point made towards him is immediately met with “LETS PUT THAT LOGIC TO SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNRELATED AND YOU’LL SEE IT MAKES NO SENSE”
@@Apophis1010Law was broken by the company, but that is ok, because people needing the payout can't challange them in court anyway. Some are just above the law. And sometimes we can say, "enough".
@@Apophis1010 The moral law agreed upon by society was broken by Brian and his company, the legal law of government was broken by the assassin. There must be a way to have the moral law agreed upon by society match the legal law of government. It is the failings of government to ignore it due to corruption and abrasions that go to extremes are inevitable should people continue to be ignored. Doesn't mean it should, simply that it will.
During the pandemic, I needed my $5000 RRSP that was tied to some insurance company that my work made us sign up for. Every pay would take a bit of my money and put it into this account and if I wanted to buy a house or go to university, my employer would match my $5000. It took me about 6 months of trying to get my money back because the insurance companies absolutely do not want to cooperate because it's basically their money now and they DGAF about you. They finally emailed me and it was all in broken English with grammatical errors everywhere even though it was 100% a legit email, and after 6 months of waiting I finally got MY money back
Sorry Asmon your wrong about that saying, "its only on reddit are cheering for him" Bro when United Healthcare on their FB page that release a statement about the CEO death... Bro there were 56,000k Laughing reactions and growing ...what does that tell you no its not only reddit everyone frustrated and fed up with the healthcare.
He got that streamer money bro , he ain't out here working for slave wages with a medical system that's rigged . God forbid you have a birth defect or genetic predisposition of cancer or a disease.
56,000 is a very small number compared to the entire American population. As he said, there are many opinions held on the internet that are not applicable in the real world. Here is one fact that I will concede to though: most do not mourn his death.
You're telling me the hermit milionaire who get's his worldview from unhinged tweets and internet commentary as a whole has a disconnected perspective? Weird take buddy
@@jerrolerro5187 saying that asmon gets his opinions from tweets of all places just because he says something as basic as killing=bad shows how ignorant and how lack of touch with reality you are
yeah thats because he usually online for most of the time ,meanwhile we must work from 9 to 16 suffer enduring health isssue thanks to our goverment. For the first time im disagree with asmon
Cool bot post. Taking the law into your hands and murdering someone because you disagree with them, is still an act of evil. Straight to fucking jail with you.
Vigilantism is a direct response to a PERCEIVED broken system. Which is dangerous, because you could have the best system in the world but someone will still perceive fault in it and possibly turn vigilante.
I suppose it could be, but it could also just be their faulty worldview. The Soviet Union pretty much exterminated the successful (rich) people, did that fix the system and improve their lives? Was it based on an accurate diagnosis of 'the system' and its flaws?
Luigi can be a hero and a criminal at the same time. Crimes are inherently disruptions to the social order and are punished as such. The attachment of a moral value to an act is separate from the determination of whether it is good for the maintenance of a functional society. You can hold two complex ideas within your mind simultaneously if you are willing to look into the nuance of it.
Asmon is so funny, a streamer pretending he knows how people who are "offline" think. My Dad literally is never on the internet, he's a construction worker who spends most days outside doing real productive shit, not making a passive income off of bored people's attention, he walked in while I was watching this, saw Luigi and said "That guy's my hero." L take Asmon
@@Owen-sb8zw the only views he has that are relatable are to the gaming industry, when it comes to shit in the real world he's just another delusional rich guy. I get he wasn't born rich but he's so out of touch with the average person.
I haven't heard anyone in real life say the dude shouldn't be prosecuted. I've heard people say they have no sympathy for the CEO, and I don't either, but we don't allow people like Luigi to continue to live in free society.
Why waste your time arguing ethics? Clearly neither the insurance company nor the killer had ethnics or it wouldn’t have happened. The key issue is that this type of thing will continue to happen and more frequently as things get worse
I dont mean to be crude, and i dont mean to say that CEO should have unalived. But lets just remember for a moment. This, is why we have the 2nd amendment. Because at one point Washington and the rest of this country knew the only way to truly stop corruption of the government and ruling bodies, is through cold hard lead. That fear used to be what kept those at the top and governing bodies from ruthlessly using those below them.
You ever noticed they’re always trying to take away our second amendment . “Shall not be in fringed” !!! And I definitely do agree with common sense gun laws unfortunately bad people are gonna use them in a bad way .
@@RobertMorgan Yeah thats true and we all know it. The country has been too weak and scared to do what is right. Once the people realize actual change comes from the fear of physical action, not empty government promises, thats when things get better. Peace & freedom is when the people in power fear consequences from the common people.
"You can't just allow someone to decide that they want to kill someone because health insurance companies are bad." But a single healthcare exec who may or may not be responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people - he's just fine potentially committing mass murder in the interest of shareholder profit?
This a totally separate issue. No one is saying that is okay. He’s saying the punishment should fit the crime. And we shouldn’t let civilians take on the role of judge, jury, and executioner
@davidnordqvist5749 then who will? No one will as it have been said for years on years that the justice system is terrible and the rich always end up free due to their money. So if the government won't uphold justice and allow companies to rob and ruin lives then why can't we take that justice into our own hands. Healthcare in america is the worse Healthcare you can get out of any 1st world countries. So why do we keep allowing this. Because without extreme methods these rich people will never stop and learn instead they will keep doing what makes them money so they can secure their legacy and ruin more lives.
I work at a hospital, literally everyone I work with is happy about it and hope for jury nullification to push the point. I think Asmon forgot that he's terminally online.
@@coldnhot369It’s so great! Chilling on my boat and doing well in life and I would image anyone poorer is happy too. He’s trying to make it seem like only people in some dark corner feel this way! Ok bruh believe that 😅
“Keyboard revolutionaries.“ That is pretty cute, but something tells me that if John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were alive today they would also be shit posting on X. Because we don’t use a quill and parchment anymore and an idea is more infectious than a disease. You communicate through the best medium of the time, because that’s how people talk to each other today. Words have power, no matter how they are delivered.
There is alot of irony though because these guys essentially started the revolution as rich landowning aristocrats to not pay taxes, and then they turned around and taxed us.
I think people are going to be surprised with how many stand behind this man's actions, as brutal and ethically wrong they were. People can only be pushed so far.... until you meet someone with little to lose.
I see some still trying to turn this into a left-right thing. It's sad. I remember the Occupy Wall Street days still, and the powers that be have put in a lot of work to divide us since.
I see some still trying to turn this into a left-right thing. It's sad. I remember the Occupy Wall Street days still, and the powers that be have put in a lot of work to divide us since.
I see some still trying to turn this into a left-right thing. It's frustrating. I remember the Occupy Wall Street days still, and the powers that be have put in a lot of work to divide us since.
@@ElectricPudding05 100% copycats will pop up. Regardless of how you view his actions you can not deny that this will have a ripple effect all across America. Being a Corpo is about to become a lot higher risk than it ever was before.
10:55 the fact that you're forced to have insurance or else you'll be fined by the government. Our payments to them makes them accountable to us WHAT DO U MEAN. L take
@@klonoa450 He was literally the last president to have any effect on healthcare and there wasn't even a vote for it. Its a joke to think that insurance coverage is a voteable agenda.
Fr though, it's a waste of money to have health insurance because they deny everything they deem unnecessary. Even if the doctor says it something is urgent, you'd still need a prior authorization to delay something that could have been done that day. It doesn't seem to matter if you have a life threatening problem. What is insurance for if they don't cover anything?
Asmoms take on that didn't make sense to me. I can't remember exactly what he said but especially when he was talking about if someone does something illegal to put them on trial. But completely being ignorant that there are people who do illegal things and get away with it because they are powerful and rich. I wlild like to know what he thinks the solution is when the justice system won't change because the rich and powerful stay in it, what should be the right outcome to change it?
The manifesto isn’t really THAT crazy and a lot of people relate to it. It’s clear you’ve never had life changing back issues in your family or experienced the hopelessness his mom or him did. Not justified what he did, but I just hate your ignorance to this topic
It's crazy how fast people turn off their brains off the moment they hear one thing they disagree with. Asmon explicitly stated that he sympathizes with Luigi's general statements and assumes he would have gotten along with him on an ideological level. So what's your point ? You are putting words in hist mouth and then argue with that made up narrative.
People making guns in a factory do not make direct decisions leading to the deaths of thousands. This guy got raises every year for saving money not lives
Если ты пошёл на завод по производству оружия, очевидно что оно будет применено для убийства людей, а значит ты несёшь за это косвенно ответственность. Ты в своей же логике запутался.
@@vladdyloveswine statistically incorrect. Civilian firearm factories produce primarily guns that will not be used in crime or even violence. A gun also does more than kill. It can ward off an attacker without firing a shot. It can save lives from those who would end them. A gun is a tool that statistically will kill less people than UHC’s claims AI.
The logic is sound. The CEO didn't create policies with the intention of people dying, which is the same as the gun factory. The CEO may have been a rat bastard, but we don't get to murder people for essentially no reason. The government should be held accountable for creating this problem.
@@vladdyloveswine indirectly is the keyword That guy was directly responsible for the deaths as he was the one who made the ruthless policies to profit off corpses. Doing the thing people pay you to do isn't a big demand.
@@FusedGaming1 no way😂 a sample size of 100😂 all employed at the same place😂 that holds an opinion that thinks they're the majority 😂 do you also like my overuse of emojis?😂
Yup he speaks from a point of living terminally online, I live in a poor area and I've brought it up to friends and colleagues and nobody gives a fuck about this dead CEO, asmon saying "u can't just go around killing they need to be tried under the law" yeah of course Mr billionaire is gonna get tried 😂 come back to reality
This dude is living in the wild west. Zack is saying it would be madness to live in a world where killing someone because you don't agree with or like them is acceptable.
@@Azmodian What are you talking about? Every single war and revolution is exactly what you said, killing someone because you dont agree or like them. If people find it acceptable then it is what it is... acting like people being fine with this CEO being assassinated changes ANYTHING shows a complete misunderstanding about how the world works.
@@Azmodianunless it’s your daddy the government, then they can do whatever they want… because they represent the people, unless the people want slavery, because that’s bad and daddy government knows better than we do? 🤔
@@Azmodian why else do you think Putin, Kim jun un and Trump have security? of course we live in a world where if people don't like you they would kill you. you think that if someone like Diddy didn't have security he would be safe out on the streets?
Yea Asmon, was WAY out of touch on this subject. People on both political sides are massively on Luigi's side. It is also very apparent he knows this since he refused to do a poll and kept twisting the arguments into the most extreme non-related cases. Then again it makes sense since in a way he is a CEO, part of the millionaire class and there is a LOT of people that don't like him.
The problem with Asmongolds logic is that .. with that kind of logic.. the american revolution would never have happened.. In fact using that logic NO revolution in history WOULD ever happen.. and tryrants would always come out on top.. if u dont have people prepared to do the wrong thing for the right reasons then things would never change.. money and curruption would always win.
People have gotten to soft and brainwashed. Half the problems today would be solved if people weren't brainwashed to fighting each other. There are more people struggling than there are elites, yet we give them all the power to control us.
Its like saying we shouldn't put serial killers on death row because would you also lock their friends and relatives who had nothing to do with it on the electric chair and do away with them too? There's a big difference between getting rid of the higher-ups who personally are responsible for ruining lives and the desk workers and accountants who are just doing a job. In a perfect world you could just democratically hold them accountable and get rid of them. The real would doesnt work that way. That's why we have our constitutional rights, to be able to speak our minds and protect ourselves should the system ever fail us. People for decades now have been trying to make things change in Healthcare. Yet people out here are still dying because they cant afford their highly overpriced insulin dose for the month, and people who literally go homeless over $50,000 medical bills. You think people havent been trying to change that?
Look up "rules for rulers" - revolutions as you see them basically cannot happen nowadays. It's just the current ruler being replaced by his keys to power with someone they prefer. There is no mob of armed civilians capable of beating a ruthless, loyalist military - especially not when it's an experienced behemoth like the USA's armed forces. Denying that is outright delusional. In places like Congo and such, there is at least a case to be made, primarily because the gap in capabilities between armed forces and armed civies is smaller.
"if you want other people to be accountable to you and you're willing to use violence to assert that accountability, then don't be surprised when those people turn around and do the same thing" Yeah that's pretty much what happened
Well, not really. Someone going into a contract voluntarily and then regretting they did, is not anyway near comparable. How were the guy that were shot using violence to assert the accountability of the shooter? Do you even hear yourself, or are you one of those guys that propose words can be violence?
@Bevrast I think the problem is that most people don't voluntarily pick their healthcare plan. Most of the time it is just what is provided by the employer. Some places like NY force every to get a select few carriers.
I like how people everywhere across social media all over the world cheering this guy on is characterised as "In some dark corners". Rofl, you cannot trust these puppets.
True, like the mainstream media is allowed to vilify this guy, but to frame it like half the country isn’t happy it happened… that’s disingenuous right there. But hey, when are they not.
You can't 3d print firing pins, barrels, bullets, springs, pretty much you can print the grip and lower receiver, but that is usually where the serial number to identify the gun is located which is the only reason they call them ghost guns. It is still legal in most states, and has been for most of US history, for people to make their own firearms, but it is easier to buy some parts off the internet then just print the one part that requires you to go through a background check to buy. Not to say printing it is easy, I 3d print (not guns) and even with printing simple things it's easy to print it in a way where it isn't strong enough for what you want. Some n00b doing this would be lucky to get a few shots off before their crappy PLA grip just broke apart. There was one 3D printable gun called the "Liberator" designed to be almost 100% printable, however it still needed real bullets and a firing pin, it could only use .22 (a very small caliber round), and you could only load in a single bullet at a time. You'd be lucky if it didn't blow itself apart after a few shots, if you weren't experienced at 3D printing it'd probably blow apart during the first shot. It's far easier just to buy a gun from someone who isn't a store.
I don't often disagree with you Asmond, but I do on this. Companies often commit tons of crimes, some of which kill people. The people at the top of these companies make those choices. What happens when it gets to court? Often enough no one gets charged, the company (not the individuals) get a slap on the wrist, like a fine (and if it's a money issue, often not fined as much as they've blundered from people). They need to be held more accountable, not just the companies, the individual people in these companies making the choices are the ones who should be charged.
"if you think the problem is out there . . . That's the problem" . . . You've condoned murder and you think you're the righteous one. Rethink your mindset.
agree, "let the law deal with them" doesn´t work when they can bend the rules and move goalposts, how many times have we heard that someone in power was found guilty and they got away with it with a slight slap on the wrist?
@@chezwickcheese139And he’s trying to equalize us with the CEO of UHC! GTFO! No chance am I worried about this happening! I’m not the leader of a scam company! It’s an 85 IQ argument to even make 😅!
His comment at 10:44 is HILARIOUS. What political party or politician ran on reforming the health insurance industry 🤔? Oh that's right, NONE OF THEM because they donate to every campaign.
@@MeEncantaKiley As if this CEO didn't choose this job for a shitty company out of his own volition. He saw how much money you can make with the suffering of other people and gladly accepted. Seriosly, some people are acting like they had no choice at all. If i get into a cartell selling drugs, i too, have to live with the possibility that the dad of some junkie gets very, very angry at me and may do something against it.
@@MeEncantaKiley your apparently to 85iq to comprehend the argument hes saying if its ok to kill the ceo someone will likely justify it being ok to kill a low level employee because not everyones moral values are identical or logic is identical so if this is allowed people will push it further i think you need to have some basic comprehension before speaking my dude
Your argument about the CFO being more responsible than the CEO is wrong. Luigi researched who was responsible. That CEO specifically was directly responsible for raising their profits by how much he did because of finding new ways of denying people coverage, many of whom passed away because of it. They then hid this from the public and got away with it.
@@bawilson999 So you are saying he was responsible for all the deaths of customers stealing their money. Then why argue against top comment when you agree ? ( setting strategic goals, and charting its overall direction)
He obviously can't express his true opinion. Does everyone expect him to say "Yes! Well deserved and I hope more get the same treatment." However, he is wrong about a lot of what he said in this video. He was pushing the "It's only happening on the internet." and that the system can fix this too much. The system is fucked and we all know it.
He refused to do the poll because he's right it would be stupid. His argument is that this is "an internet opinion," not a "real world opinion." His platform is on the internet, so what would he prove by doing an internet poll? If you work at a burger joint and only poll people who come in if they like burgers, what has your poll proven?
He does know doesn't he? Funny how it's all cream gravy if it's democracy for these closet democrats but for when democracy has spoken in this comment section tonight all of a sudden logic and democracy goes out the window.
Saying one assassinated Health insurance Ceo is equivalent to a school shooting or killing hundreds of insurance company employees by burning down the building is telling me that he has no arguments and has to exaggerate to field at least 1 point. Really sad towards the end to see him struggle like that.
First asmon video i had to stop watching or i would just unsub. Wtf is he even thinking.....the examples are so so bad that he might have had a small stroke during the night
Asmon got some super bad takes on this one, I forgot that he does not share the struggles of the average person, he is only presenting himself like that
Asmon made a fair point because we do not want to live in a world ruled by violence because their is always someone bigger. BUT he fails to realize that the system he enjoys was born out of violence and the resistance to tyranny. Violence is not always the answer but when it is, know the cost...
@mixlllllll how so? I agree we have a less than stellar past and still have issues but we are the best system of government to exist, everyone. Any argument otherwise is a dream and shallowly thought out idea, slapping the face of history and reality.
@@nathankennedy3290 Britain was more democratic than America after independence 😂 I don't agree that your form of government is the best in the world. I mean if you mean a liberal democracy in general, then sure. But a lot of countries has a better form of government.
I think the greater issue is our societal idea that our job absolves us of any moral culpability. "I ensured this cancer patient won't recieve life saving treatment, but I'm just following company policy." "I founded a policy that led to increased denials which led toward deaths, but also led to a massive increase in shareholder value for my job." All of the evil things that people do for the purpose of making a billion dollar corporation even more money has to be the someone's responsibility. Legal does not mean the same as moral. Just because you're able to justifiably am action in the name of profit legally doesn't necessarily mean you can do so morally. Legally, the CEO was an innocent man. Morally, he was not. And I can't be angry at a man who would lash out after being wronged morally or against someone committing a substantial moral wrong against him or others, especially in a system that would support that moral misgiving. A lot of people have lost the most important thing in their lives, whether that be their loved ones or their own lives, thanks to insurance companies doing everything they can to eek out a small margin more profit. What value can a person have for a system that allows for them to have their most important things ripped away from them for something as trivial as another few dollars in a billionaires bank account, already bloated far beyond any realistic chance of spending? "Yes, the system allowed for your parent/partner/child/loved one/you to die, but the UnitedHealthcare profit margins just went up another .0000000001%, so be invested in the system." I understand capitalism greatly benefits most every person in a society. It's an incredible system, so long as we treat it with balance. If we forsake people in favour of capitalism, expect the people to turn on the capitalists.
Wrong is wrong no matter how people try to spin it. A husband and a father’s life was ended. Who are we to say the man was morally bankrupt or not. That’s between him and God.
Great comment. Passivity in the face of evil is not moral. People pretend like violence has nor been the answer to many issues and crisis throughout history. When oppressed people are given no legal or civil option. Then what is to be expected of the oppressed
Disconnected from reality. Asmongold is a millionaire, who would expect him to understand how many loved ones are gone long before their time because of Brian Thompson.
The US already pays more than double the money per capita on healthcare compared to other western countries that have affordable healthcare. US citizens should have the best healthcare in the world for free. This has nothing to do with Ukraine aid, it's obvious pockets are being lined instead of healthcare being provided in the US.
@@didiwever834it’s true, most people are totally apathetic to that guy getting whacked on the street. Blue collar workers, a few office yuppies too who I know.
If Asmon was around the revolutionary war time he’d be arguing that Washington is crazy and violence against the British is unacceptable. Right or wrong. It’s symbolic of how the regular person feels. Asmon can’t see that.
Asmon sees it, and he obviously doesn't want the colonials to go to war against the British because it would lead to chaotic, violent consequences and loss of lives. The Americans won that war and 250 years later....... here we are, dealing with the same issue again, and it'll happen again.....
Asmon is taking the approach Socrates took, he doesn't want the state to fall into chaos. But the health system is in chaos and nobody will provide a solution, in the meantime people are dying in their thousands, someone has to do something, otherwise... The French had a solution, the Americans had a solution, Cromwell had a solution. I find Luigi Mangione more worthy of praise and good fortune in life than the Hawk Tuah girl. Luigi Mangione is my community service worker of the year.
There is no solution. People die every day. Nobody is entitled to the labor and resources of others just because they are dealing with health problems. SOMEONE has to pay the bill. And even if it was a universal healthcare situation, people die due to long waiting lists. Its always going to be a problem. But you know what? You are still better off than your ancestors that, if they broke a leg or got an infection, their death was practically assured. There was nothing to be done. Its much easier to treat those things nowadays. I wouldn't call that chaos. We are all lucky to have access to any healthcare at all. Even if we can't afford certain treatments for certain health crisis and end up dying for it. Thats life on Earth. You cannot blame a random CEO for that.
Unfortunately for Asmon, historical events are rarely pushed forward by logic and sophistry. Human emotions drives history. The tipping point would be, when more people identify with Luigi than with Asmon. Happened in France, in America, in England and countless times across the world.
Wild to me how people still genuinely believe that the French revolution was about the poor rising up to overthrow the rich and not one group of rich people using the poor to overthrow a different group of rich people.
@@An.Unsought.Thought This single insurance company is just another brick in the wall of fucks that those in charge don't give about the normal person. Most other countries don't have bank breaking prices on their healthcare. Also I never thought I'd see someone carrying water for the current medical industry in this country.
lmaoooo asmongold of all people believes in the ability of our government's democracy to fix all the issues in society. The guy whose entire philosophy is extremely pessimistic surrounding the nature of people to make the right long term decision, believes in democracy lmfao mkay dude
i just think it's funny how he's committing the same mistake the he lambasted the democrats for making in the election; underestimating just how much of the masses have been 'radicalized' by the system.
He has run multiple businesses. He interacts with people constantly. People saying this are genuinely so smooth brained I cant help but laugh. There is a difference between "Guy whos job is to stream online" and "terminally online person who chooses to spend all their time online and not interact with the real world". For one its a job, and something they do part time, for the other its a hobby and a lifestyle. I think people making this argument genuinely dont understand what terminally online means, but use it as an insult anyway.
@@ChimpBrained I wasn't using term as an insult, I was using it as a descriptor. If you watched Asmon regularly you would know that he refers to himself as terminally online fairly often. And yes he is cause guess what, all those people your saying he interacts with? They are also streamers and personalities whose entire career is also wrapped up in being terminally online. I'm a bigger fan of Asmon than anyone including you but let's call a spade a spade, blindly kissing his ass isn't gonna do favors for anyone.
Asmon saying the guy working to barely get by at the bottom level of an insurance company who has no ability to influence policy has the same moral culpability as the CEO making 100 million a year and actively deciding company policy is hilarious. Shows who CEO Asmon identifies with in this story LOL
If I became a millionaire by playing WoW and not leaving my basement, I'd be incredibly humbled at the opportunity and grateful for the everyday people who made that possible. But it seems like Asmon instead sympathizes with the businessmen who made their millions by slitting his viewers' throats.
@@christopherenders4280 He's really starting to get full of himself. He has a huge platform and he lets his fat ego get in the way of common sense. He used to have some pretty reasonable takes on most things imo, but this is just.. Like what does he expect to happen? You give it 2 centuries. You watch millions die. CEO's kill people, get a slap on the wrist. Walk away. No one is taking this healthcare CEO to court. Democracy isn't fixing it. People aren't just going to sit around and be abused for decades, or centuries. Eventually there's a rising. Like come on Asmon. This isn't one guy, it's society.
@@christopherenders4280don’t forget about all the people that the company approved treatment for, just bc you have health insurance doesn’t mean you will be covered no matter what….if you owned the insurance company I would guarantee that if a client came to you and said that they have stage two lung cancer and have been a policy holder for twenty years however for the last 15 years they have been smoking three packs of cigarettes a day you too would deny their treatment due to them causing the cancer to themselves, a policy claim can be revoked/refused due to several reasons
@christopherenders4280 at the end of the day, its big corporation that pays him that money, not his viewers (granted they can directly pay him through donations)
We are already held accountable by health insurance companies. People make payments to them. The problem is that it's a one-way street. There's no way to hold a helath insurance company liable when they deny care.
Yea, and if the insurance company can't afford to pay out for treatment then shouldn't they just increase the premiums? Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work?
@@pimpensteinmcchickenlegs6292that makes sense when the company isn’t turning one of the largest profits of any company in the world. They’re not hurting for cash.
Man, you are smart in some domains but here you are totally wrong. You either don't go outside to often or you don't know how the real world works. This is what actually each country should have or do, a brave man, group and bring/make a good country from that. You don t see it? Its either us or them....god damn
Right how long have we been told that? Apparently us the 90% they think were their lackey or something ! They think we’re stupid because we’re not rich , maybe, just maybe most of us have a conscience and like to sleep at night .
@@JayCee5150-h9f that is true. I never believed that as a Junior or Regular worker in my life.... 12 years, and I am lower management, slightly going up to upper management. I am really considering better swapping to more technical Supervisor than upper management, because I started to learn about all these management and C-Level guys. I was shocked, I get like 10% info of what these upper guys share among them, it is nasty, it's cold business, it's lying alot!!! And I was already told to be part of the lying part. No. I hate this, I better learn to be more technical and teach others about my profession. I also know, that honest and empathetic people in upper management do not survive long. I had a very good project lead, she survived 3 years
Politicians decide what is Rx and what is OTC. Politicians decide who is and is not allowed to practice medicine. Politicians - specifically Gov Newsome and DA (now VP) Harris - fought to stop people from competing in a free and open market, and ensured their monopoly. Killing CEOs for problems created by career politicians (typically democrat ones), is the most mid-wit redditor idiocy I've seen in a very long time.
I like how they pointed out the robot has a 90% failure rate like well your assuming it was programmed to make medical decisions it was not it was programmed to just deny everything think about it this guy himself proves thats all it does they have agents they hire like this guy that dont deny enough because they have human emotions i know hire me as CEO i designed this AI that can say no to any claim because it doesn't suffer from emotions lol
@@Chippaizationceo shills always talk about how you get paid a lot because you risk a lot, but then always defend them by saying it was some other hypothetical person's fault every time something bad happens. Pathetic
He's the king of offering up positions and ideas that make sense logically but have no basis in reality because he doesn't actually know what's going on in the world because he sits at home all day playing video games and interacting with his audience.
yeah, asmon pretends to be humble but he has a hard time hiding. the whole "i buy cheap clothes, drive old cars, eat cheap steak" is all bs for the camera and try to relate with his viewers to keep them supporting him $$ in reality he is with the wealth people. if you look at his streamer award show, its nothing humble... everything is fancy and expensive.
20:46 That's not the same thing. Mass targeters harm innocent people and don't have a single target. This case would be more like a hypothetical person attacking a priest for being a pdf A better real-world comparison would be Gary Plauche. He took the law into his own hands, but the jury acquitted him due to the nature of his target If you want fictional examples with more nuance, there’s Kira (Death Note) and the Punisher for large scale or Inigo Montoya (Princess Bride) and maybe Kratos from the first God of War game for a more personal aspect I think Saw 6 also captures the debate around medical insurance as murder really well, albeit in a much more grisly fashion
@@chrisduncan1647 there's something to be said about low profit margins increasing trustability. Low profit filters out scammers leaving mostly passionate financial martyrs It's never really great to hard cap a business. I agree. But should health insurance be treated like a tech startup or as a public service
@Tyren17k profitable to some degree, sure. But it's a publicly traded company they have a "responsibility" to put investor profits above all else. If they can't do that, people don't invest.
7:00 no, it is the opinion a lot of people hold. All my friends and many guys in my workplace, agree that it was only a matter of time stuff like this started happening. Honestly I just feel since Asmond is a public figure, he feels in a position that he could be targeted. Because lets be real a lot of people would try to do something to him if given the chance. But that aside, saying your avarage person doesn't think this is pure bs. Literally look at every dang revolution in the past, people get fed up with the oligarchy and off to chop heads off. For someone who loves to speak about human nature and how fucked up humans are, Asmond is letting his biases show with his argumentation.
@@Tilt_TM No, he has to speak out about it otherwise he's saying he's ok with people trying to take him out. Bottom line is you can't let one person decide who stays and who goes.
What do you think would happen if more vigilantes started taking matters into their own hands. Those oligarchs would star WW3 with Russia and send all military age males to fight to thin the herd, then have the remaining poor fight each other. All susscessfull revolutions were fought between people with power or money, the best we can do is give power or money to the right people. A peasant uprising will never work.
"I know a few people who think it's okay, therefore the majority of the country thinks it's okay." Oh yeah? Well I know a few people who think it's not okay, so that obviously proves you're wrong. /s
this honestly just shows me Zach doesn't understand the view point of many Americans, has went on record saying he didn't go to hospitals when he was younger unless he absolutely needed to and now that he's an adult with millions of dollars he doesn't have to pay hundreds of dollars a month to a company so you can go to hospital affordably, then when you finally do have a medical emergency and make a claim just to be denied. I've personally seen my own surgeon yelling at insurance companies on the phone because of how scummy they can be. yes we can all agree murder is bad and it shouldn't happen, but when you are the leader of a company that is supposed to help people in their most dire times of needs just to screw them over with life chaining injuries or worse. and brag about having the highest denial rates and highest profits off of peoples real physical pain, he should've just painted a target on his back for him. you can say people are just thinking with emotion all you want but what do you expect to happen when this man is the head of company that literally profits off of people in their most vulnerable states after already robbing them of thousands of dollars, just to have coverage that may work. its not really fair to say people can just not get insurance or switch carriers because this isn't just a one company problem, I've been through medical insurance hell with 3 different carriers trying to file claims that "they didn't cover" after taking my money for YEARS. any average American has to pay for health insurance just for the chance to get covered otherwise it could financially cripple most average American without coverage, which still happens even after being a loyal customer for years
He was literally applying their logic to other controversial situations to see if it still held true for them. At the end of the day, in a civilized society, you don't go around shooting people that wronged you, think different than you, or say something you don't like. This is literal caveman, degenerate, overly emotional rationale.
I had United Healthcare for 20 years and never had a problem with them. I went to the doctor a lot too. Even approval for surgeries. But at some point it's understandable that it's all a lottery of sorts. They rely on a lot more healthy people to pay for the costs of the unhealthy. The hospitals and doctors are they ones who dictate costs and these insurance companies try to negotiate them down. I have been told different amounts the costs were depending on what insurance company I had. My doctor actually was glad I had United Healthcare because they knew they were getting paid.
I assure you Asmon knows that CEO, who deployed AI to deny claims, is a scumbag. Asmon is just a very, very logic driven guy that he refuses to let his emotion hijack his argument sometimes to a fault, which is that if we go down that road like that Mangioni did, it's all chaos and violence.
I am not terminally online. I work as a commercial fisherman and would not say I am normal. If things keep up this way. I think people in high positions making gross amounts of money at others expense and actively hurt others for profit this might help. Of course killing anyone is horrible. I am sure a lot of these people are probably not horrible. They are continuing harmful actions to society something will happen. It doesn't matter if two wrongs or a million wrongs don't make it right. Nothing will never happen. So we should move forward positively. Not rashly or with neutrality. Because we can already see that something horrible is possible. We all know this and do nothing or act once it becomes too much and act in rash ways. I see where Zach comes from on topics. He also contradicts himself constantly. Awareness is very difficult especially self awareness. I get it, I struggle with it too.
Hes trying to compare the CEO who makes millions per year by actively runining lives to Mr and Mrs office worker who work a telephone 8 hours a day for $16 an hour to provide for their families. One is stuffing their pockets till they overflow with cash, profiting off the suffering of thousands if not millions...while the other is just working a 9-5 barely able to afford the insurance of the company they work at.
The part where he was saying that someone mass shooting people because their ideology is the same as someone killing a person as a form of justice is the same was pretty hard to get through.
Of course Asmons defends the American legal system, he's one of the few rich enough to use it If you don't have at least 6 figures sitting around, it doesn't matter how good your case is
This is one of the few times I’ve seen his richness actually start to matter on stream. He’s really not like his viewers anymore. Are we gonna find out he goes home to a different nicer house at night? At this point I wouldn’t even be surprised.
Super watered down version of this is when a kid fights back against their bully in school. There are repercussions for assault, no matter what. But maybe the school has a responsibility to mitigate bullying in the school, because if they do nothing it's gonna be an all out brawl in the cafeteria.
And now they realize when you sterilize a child's experience like this in school it tends to have some major negative life impacts. Fighting is necessary for boys to grow up with a healthy mindset. Conflict. The idea that it's immoral to fight let's bullies ultimately win. People need to be taught to stand up for themselves or you get a country that turns into a money printing machine at the expense of people dying. Huh... Kind of like what's happening with Healthcare insurance. Odd.
Bruh, do you really believe that you can change the system democratically? I think lobbyists might have something to say about that. People want to fund their re-election campaigns...
My wife and I just had a baby. I’ve been uninsured for almost all of my 26 years. It ended up being c-section and the total cost was going to be 40k. After telling them that we’re uninsured, they dropped it down to 5k. Most Healthcare insurance is entirely a scam
Wtf
damn dude youre living on hard mode
I'm unaware of your exact reason for the C-section. Did you know that a majority of c-sections given aren't given because they need to happen but, for the protection of the hospital. They told us it would have to be a C-section.. and we got a midwife and delivered our child at home.
@@YaBeenBen "Delay, Deny, Defend: Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It" by Feinman. Just ordered my copy.
It actually is because the hospitals jack up costs and the companies argue back and forth to get the price right. This is part of the problem.
"You can't live in a system that allows this to happen"
That's why it's so important that these CEOs are accountable under the law. Otherwise, people will keep doing this.
this.... is gold
People will take the lesser of two evils.
And if people keep doing this, CEOs will keep doing what they've been doing even more. Goes both ways.
@@kareem199928 If the Ceos and politicians get even worse off then people will take their heads, what do you expect, that's a 0.001% versus majority of middle to low class society, just centuries ago it was the norm.
@@kareem199928 Ahahah that's some take you got there. It goes both ways he says hahaha! If offing corrupt ones became more widespread, the ones who doubles down to become even more corrupt would win a priority ticket for the offing. So no, it doesn't go both ways...
I think Asmongold underestimates how many people "in the real world" view this guy positively.
Asmon doesn’t participate in the real world, of course he thinks this way.
What if someone feels compelled to take revenge on you just because they don't like your company? How low do you have to be on your IQ to think that's okay?
Why would someone shoot you for doing volunteer work? Being a CEO of a company that sentences people to death by saying fuck you no I'm not going to cover you is not volunteering, shitty example shitty take.@@AcidGubba
@@AshesofTheGardenso you just dont know what a ceo does, then?
The only people who view this guy as a positive are unhinged redditors that never seen daylight before, take your meds please.
“You gonna treat people like animals, they gonna act like animals”
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Such is the human condition imo. I think entropy is baked into our DNA.
What's kind of ironic is now that he'll spend the rest of his life in prison, he'll get free healthcare.
Lol
Maybe thats the point -_-
Was thinking of the same thing😂
Can you imagine a serious surgery with no anesthetic..😮
I'm honestly curious what his sentence will be, my guess is 20 years, but he'll be out in 10
"You can't go around killing people"
True. Unless you are the government.
Ooof so true
Or an insurance company
Please elaborate 😂
Or a pharmaceutical company
or just rich and connected enough to get away with it
craziest part is the person who called and reported him didnt get any of the reward money cause they called the wrong number
Explains why they work at McDonald's.
People should stop going to that McDonald's
So crazy infact, that its exactly what i expected would happen.
?? That's not the reason lmfao. I read the entire reason why, and it's basically governmental BS and stipulations as the reason why they're not getting the money.
@@revenge12212012 that is the reason. He/she didn’t call crime stoppers who was offering the reward, they instead called 911 like a dummy.
“You’ll live in a surveillance police state if people keep killing CEOs.” My brother; we already live in one.
No you arent. In China my lost dog took 30 min to be found by police tracking down the guy's license plate with his 4k photo on camera and literally got his identity info and phone number, called him on his phone to ask him bring back my dog. In USA anything lost is gone for good.
@@cattybac2247 unless it shows up in a McDonald’s apparently
@@cattybac2247 you seem to think the us couldnt do that if they cared to. its not that they can't, its that they wont.
@@breadconsumer9320 the us and china has fundamental level of difference in control of the population. i dont doubt the theoretic ability of the us to implement such control, but you lack the social / political infrastructure to execute. such control clearly have its pros and cons, and the example I give is just my personal experience where I benefit from. i choose to stay in the us, because I think I can be responsible for my own safety in exchange for the level of freedom, but a lot of traditional / conservative chinese ppl think its fine to give up some freedom to live in a safe neighborhood. again, the population / density difference between china and us is huge, and public safety is a lot bigger concern
@cattybac2247 it is thought the usa has some level of police anarchy. A police state where no one can legally defend themselves from crime, but the police allow crime, leading to a moral decay or something like that. It is a police state, but a different kind. China is similar, but has one difference of predatory mass surveillance to accuse non crimes. No protections against u reasonable search and seizure.
“When the rich rob the poor, it’s called business, when the poor fight back, it’s called violence.” - Mark Twain
This isn't just not from Mark Twain it isn't even a real quote lmao. Do you research
But whoever wrote the quote has a point...the government is owned by lobbyists
The FBI isn't even going to pay the rewards money to the snitch. What's $60,000 to the Feds? The rich will go to any lengths to keep the poor as poor as possible.
@@juliahertz1788 It's a quote by an unknown source, I looked it up too.
Dude wasn't poor.
Asmingold, I have 20 years of experience in the industry. As a provider and as an employee of insurance entities. I do not condone his actions. I do understand his motives. The system is a machine of mass murder. If it has not affected you, you are either lucky or in the class of people who are not affected by it. You are in that class now, aren’t you?
Apologies for mistyping your youtube handle, I rushed this one
Time for asmon to go!
@@educationfirst9631 nope. start with yourself. its the insects that are struggling. make room for the next guy. follow your own logic please.
His mom died of cancer. She was approved for medical health care. He be singing a different tune if she wasnt
If you remove a trume from persons live he's gone change how shocking
"You can change the system democratically." Well that's what they want you to think at least.
such a shit take by assmo. we have been trying to get any change for my whole life and its just gotten worst because of people like this ceo.
Asmon has a strangely ignorant and optimistic viewpoint on the legal system. No amount of voting can fix the federal level corruption and judges are often nasty pieces of work.
Asmongold is on a short leash after his whole Israel/Palestine debacle
I think the latest election proves our votes do matter. The establishment does not want Trump and his picks.
Yeah we did that and ended up with dei 😂
"You change the system democratically."
Bruh, if that actually worked, you think insurance companies would be as scummy as they are?? Look at how many people universally agreed with the shooter, and look at how many spat on the CEO's grave.
Vigilantism is never okay. Whether it’s a CEO or a bum. Murder is murder.
Considering that every decade our health care system drastically improves and regulations of them increase, yes.
they actually use regulation to keep good competitor out
How many of you actually vote and pay attention to what they do with what you vote for?
Will you can vote for two parties that make money from these corporation so no you cant change US health care
She thought she was getting 60k reward money but called 911 instead of the tip line. Reward was denied.
Wow..
Ha! System functioning as intended!
Hahahaha
Claim denied. That's how it goes, lol
Wasn't it a he? They showed some old guy earlier. Imagine missing out on 60k like that.
"He was a father and a husband." So were a lot of people that we condemn.
Since I lost faith in humanity, this sentence sounds in my head like "he had accomplices"
Right? How many fathers and husbands did he send to their deaths by declining to finance the healthcare they needed and paid for for many years? Sure shooting someone is not okay, but let's not pretend the victim was a poor innocent kindhearted soul who did his best for humankind.
It’s an emotional argument they use to blackmail you. It’s the same kind of argument used when talking about immigration and family separation in result of deportation
@@Jorendohow many? Do you even know, or are you just assuming or repeating things you’ve heard others say? How many people has his company saved? Surely you don’t think that number is zero.
@@Jorendo you're justfying a murder based on something you dont know. rethink your life.
Asmon couldn't be more disconnected from the real world. Him saying that people choose their own health insurance is completely untrue. The mass majority of the country has to pay for whatever insurance provider their work decides to partner with. HR has a tendency to try to find the most cost efficient insurance option based on what the company is will to pay. That a lot of times leads to workers and the average joe being forced to settle with whatever option their employer gives them. That unfortunately can result in having to pay for insurance like United Healthcare.
but bro we can change the system democratically like we've been failing to do for the last 40 years already
@@gafibla its been working out real good so far, huh? 😂
Yea asmon can't hide that he so afraid of being banned or cancelled by government if he stand with luigi and the truth, cuz asmon got premium level insurance to pay…so, fundamentally to say asmon got no differences to those msm, in this specific topic on luigi, both msm and asmon doing nothing but substituting concepts while trying to prove luigi killed 'innocent ppl' other than a murder as good as a scammer.
@@DeBeard You know, I didn't care much for the old asmon, but at least he said what he thought. Now that he's self censoring and has been shoved into the corner, I like him less. I wish we could have more real conversations on the surface webs instead of kissing the boots of every billionare on the planet.
UHC, 32% denial rate. This is an actual scam. They should literally illegalize insurance companies. Literal ponzi schemes.
I dont view this in a "what this guy did is bad" kind of way. I see this as an inevitable outcome, there will always be people that are completely willing to take things the farthest they can. No amount of calling that behaviour bad will stop it. From a logical standpoint, the CEO literally had what was coming. People were murdered in a legal way by united healthcare, and so the people decided it was fair that the CEO was murdered as well. These aren't my beliefs, these are facts of what happened.
I do need to say, the majority of people defending him do not fall into your projected demographic, that view is incredibly shallow and dismissive. The people desperate for change are the ones effected the most. The one that initiated everything is proof of it
Well yeah, there are messed up people. Logically it's going to get worse when the economy gets worse. This is true.
Logically though, do you think it was the right decision for Luigi to do that? This was the point of the argument.
Best coment here
@@Bunn77 My answer like everyone else's would be a subjective guess. It can go both ways, from it being the push that changes the system, to people forgetting and things staying the same. at least until some years down the line when someone else gets fed up.
If this is a moral question, I still don't have an answer. I don't know Brian. He could have been a great person that was heavily villainized, or he could have been cartoonishly evil; being okay with the deaths of others if it means profit. But I'm not the judge that decides whether a person deserves the death penalty, I don't know him. What I do know is people became frustrated, with him becoming the target of that frustration regardless of if he was a good person or not. Logically, on the surface level that would put Luigi in the wrong. But Luigi has the potential of saving exponentially more lives than the one he took. So I don't know, and sometimes not knowing is better than choosing a side randomly.
Waluigi Mangioni is sitting at home wondering where it all went wrong for his greatest rival.
He probably feels alright about the situation when he thinks about the time his mom's insurance company denied her.
He honestly trusts the system, but it's that very system that got us into this situation. It only works when people are fair. Soon as a bad actor gets in. They might not be able to take control of the country immediately, but they can chip away at policies, and stuff like the media can be influenced to make that easier. 20, 40, 50 years and eventually you're in a situation where your country is at 60-70% taxes, companies controlling everything.
🤣🤣🤣
Now that I see the name, someone just reworded Luigi's Mansion
Every video involving this guy. Same exact lines taken from other comments. Ugh.
Asmond is wayyyy off on saying this is an internet only opinion. Clearly disconnected from those struggling.
He’s probably staring at a few million dollars in the bank and thinking “maybe I’m more like this CEO” and technically he is also a CEO.
"That evil multi billion CEO could've been me" - asmongold
pretty easy to analyze life from the comfort of your bedroom
It's internet only in the sense that people only say it on the internet or among close friends.
of course he is way off asmon is a terminally online 4chan twitter user.
asmon thinking like hes an average not terminally online person is just hilarious.
As Asmon would say… The inmates really ARE running the asylum
He's asking all these questions as if this dude was ever going to be put on trial for unethical business practices and the way he was steering this publicly funded company. NEWS FLASH Asmond, people and companies like this will break the law because the profit margin far outweighs the criminal penalties and fines they would have to pay. Do you deny this fact?
Dude acting like his soft, non-realistic takes about the world and people's philosophies speaks for the most of the population.
Actually insane how ironclad his bubble is.
He’s absolutely a representative of the average person. He’s just moderate and sane
@@Idiosynchrosis Right? He just says a society will not be able to function if this sort of thing happens in a society. So the French revolution wasn't a thing? A lot of people needed to die to get that country back on track. Using Diddy as a example, the people with his power and influence need to fear us. Look at that chump Jay Z and how he's lashing out and flexing his power and influence because he has been called out in some capacity. My question is, why is Diddy the only one sitting in jail right now?
The most “out of touch with the real world ” “internet keyboard warrior” guy, calls other people “out of touch” “keyboard warrior”
Exactly
Takes one to know one.
As someone who works in healthcare and is going to school for it. No one and I mean literally no one I know in healthcare is sad about that CEO dying. There’s tons of reasons why. But one of the biggest reasons why is the hoops healthcare providers have to go through to provide services to their patients. Patients will go to doctors and the doctors will prescribe a treatment plan. Whatever that plan is, sometimes insurance companies will legit seek out doctors approval for when they see the treatment plan. That treatment could have all kinds of specialists and reasons behind it and still the insurance companies will deny it. They won’t cover the cost or even a fraction of it. And while most hospitals offer payment plans, some people just cannot afford it. But that’s not even getting into pharmaceuticals… there’s something quite evil about these health insurance companies. Denying coverage for millions of patients… and that’s sickening. A lot of healthcare workers care about their patients. It makes us so angry to see these health insurance companies do this to people. It first started under bush but it’s gotten worse over the years. You can see this in the medical billing side. I don’t actively wish harm on these CEOs but they have it coming. When you put profit over peoples lives, it’s bound to come back and bite you in the face. Also yeah hospitals get greedy too, let’s not even go there either…. When these business snakes infiltrated every facet of these hospitals, this is what you get. I saw it very recently in the hospital I currently work at. A person who was a manager in the medical side got pushed into a financial manager position. They told him to either move to that position or leave the company. It’s wild what they’re doing
"When these business snakes infiltrated every facet of these hospitals" -- it's so great when we let them run our gov't then too.
@@Soli2deYT buddy its a cancer. it grows and grows and the longer you let it eat you alive the worse it gets. its not government or companies its just cancer.
42:24 “It’s not an illegal action” because “it’s not defined to be illegal”. So if our lawmakers write the laws to benefit themselves and other rich people while literally killing people by denying their medical claims and procedures everyone is supposed to roll over and take it, because it’s “defined as legal”???? Really??
It's a stupid argument, it's like saying the people we vote to represent us are 1 to 1 our opinion so we can't complain on the outcome of laws forgetting both options on the table have the same view.
@@DabDabGooseunless at it core it rigged and money controls all
No. You're supposed to vote for people who will change that.
If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it. @@RaziEx
@@RaziEx what happens when the law change the majority want is off the table for the options they have to vote in?
I’ll do what Asmon does here, where I take his logic and apply it to another scenario;
1.) Asmon says terminally online people are out of touch with the majority/regular people.
2.) Asmon is terminally online, probably more than most of us. So then HE is the one who’s out of touch and with the fringe opinion.
So fucking true lmfao
How about instead of using a hypothetical scenario maybe you should look at history, something that actually happened. People were fine with rolling the aristocrats heads during the French Revolution until it was being done to them
Except he is the one using logic here. You may as well be screaming at him that the Earth is flat.
He sticks to simplicity.
allot of internet ppl forgot about keeping things simple.
So he spitting facts that we should not hold him credibility, but we should think for ourselves.
Same dude who said he doesn’t care about an entire people getting unalived is clutching his pearls over the unaliving of one evil CEO.
Typical response from someone who uses the word "unalive" unironically.
Uh no it’s the response of someone who gets over half their comments deleted if they use a word deemed problematic by YT.
@@Pårchmēntôs Murdered, killed, gunned down. Is my comment still here?
That’s great for you, mine always disappear.
@@adds-kz3oc they’re not wrong. I’ve worded the same things you’ve just spelt out and my comments have been removed. I guess it depends how much you engage on TH-cam
Asmon - "... don't be surprised when they start doing it to you"
They are already doing it to you. Just because normies aren't getting "pew-pewed" but instead slowly getting choked economically and medically doesn't mean it's not happening Asmon.
The oligarchs are not replying, the people are.
Found the Marxist.
@DeeaA-d5r Declining birthrates are all over the world, including countries with the best health care systems in the world.
So no, the fact that the US is so addicted to insurance scams that have ballooned the costs of healthcare is not the reason why there is a declining birthrate.
Back in the baby boom times, a simple viral infection could just kill you as there were not proper treatments for any of that.
@@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019This is a situation where it's both right wing and left wing people are fine with this. It's not a left vs right thing. That's just bull.
@@blakerogers9600uh not really, left wing wants a utopian central healthcare system, right wingers just want lower prices, anyone with an iq above 50 realizes this won’t lead to either
@@blakerogers9600 Ok so show me a Right wing person that supports the murder of this CEO?
He's looked at as a hero because everyone knows the judicial system is essentially owned by the same individuals who are extorting it.
That's why he said it, it was "necessary".... his language is very telling.
He was intelligent, he probably pursued legal avenues first, and gradually realized NOTHING would happen to him.
People call this kid insane for taking 1.... meanwhile the company the guy runs takes thousands daily.
Also, the comparison to gun factories is nonsense, i'm sorry.
The difference is one of them is marketing specifically to take essence, one is marketing on LIES pretending to save, when it's actually taking essence.
@@AcidGubba The guy just explained it. What are you some kind of bot?
@@AcidGubbaNuremberg argument. You represent any company that you work for whether you like it or not. If you don’t want to be a target, then don’t work for shady business. Simple.
@@AcidGubba… not everyone’s company steals peoples money under the disguise of help… which then ends thousands of lives when said company doesn’t help and provide what was paid for.
"Probably" pursued legal avenues? Your confirmation bias is off the charts, you know NOTHING (same caps as you) about this man. How about you go put some money on his books since youre such a big fan.
The fact that one murder in crime-ridden New York is getting more media attention than all the wars and craziness happening around the world right now is a big red flag. The people at the top really didn't like this happening and I think that alone should make people stop and reconsider whose side they should really be rooting for in this matter.
Guarantee you the wars are just a distraction. But it's no longer working. People see through it.
Pretty much the plot of Joker. The first one, in which you should not associate with the Arthur ;)
It's getting more attention because it was planned assassination, while endless violence and crime is just a feature of blue states.
Is this kid the spark that makes us understand it's not left vs right?
@@skurknilsen Takes a huge spark of insight for people to figure this out, and most are barely able to tie their shoes and remember their next doctors appointment.
Asmongold is a millionaire. That's why he'll never figure it out. He don't understand the term "NOTHING TO LOSE".
so since you have nothing to lose, you take what i have ? theft and murder huh
@@jbjoker18 Sometimes when you have nothing to lose, it's because it's all already been taken. No one takes more than the rich. Not even a debate bro.
°°terminaly online peoples opinions°° pot calling the kettle black
And he pulls these facts straight out of his ass and if someone else makes a similar baseless claim he calls them out. Classic moral high ground baldy
@@popcornbutter6820 exactly
He believes he's always right.
He's one of those people, which gives him the best pov to call it from. He's also correct here really.
@@purplecontroller9071 somewhat. hes just a victim of public opinion so he cant get into his real thoughts
Isn't 95% of passed laws from lobbies while 5% is from majority public support just sayin system kinda broke
Yup
AlPAC decides basically every law in the US congress
Where is this so called lobby? 😂
Yeah just lobby for democratic change in a system that at every turn has shown you that it is bought and paid for, like this is idealistic to the point of delusion
5%? Doubt it's even that. Damn near every state wanted abortion. The right thought their voters would ride with them, and when they didn't, they still made it illegal in their states, or put heavy restrictions on it. Even tried to make it illegal to seek healthcare in another state.
Unchecked power eventually gets checked.
Just like u
What power of his?
Asmon is the kind of guy who would condemn the French Revolution because the peasants were unlawfully killing nobles.
Looking at you lefties 👀
@@valiantthief5808he himself is a noble lol
Funny when mayor says "you took a dangerous man off the street" when actually that 26 yr old was one who took the dangerous man off the street
This situation reminds me of a joke I heard from a friend when someone tried to use the quote, "The pen is mightier than the sword."
To which he responded "I'd like to see you try and write about it while there is a pissed off man with a sword chasing after you."
This CEO happily (and legally) ended lives through the use of a pen, and he got found by a pissed off man with a sword...
This should be in a book. Philosophy book.
@@ragingflare123 more like in a cringe compilation
@@kjwdog7453not really cringe. Pretty cool thought. But we know thinking hurts you…..
@@sparingpickle4918 omg you just won the internet 😲
That’s some brilliant ish man !
"the CEO denying health care claims is not an illegal action"-Asmon THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! People are radicalized and pushed to do things like this when the system fails. And the American healthcare system has failed catastrophically.
And the legal system!
Canadians fly to get your "failed" healthcare all the time. It's the best in the world. You have absolutely no idea.
If you don't like the contract, don't sign it.
If the company breaks the contract you sign, you can sue them.
Nothing this guy did had ANY justification. He's an unstable Communist.
Asmon seems like the kind of guy who would be quick to tell you "legality and morality are two separate things" but conveniently forget all about that whenever it's convenient.
it doesnt have to be illegal for it to be criminal
Still doesn't justify violence
"He leaves behind a wife and 2 kids" ... and a 15.000.000 $ Lawsuit for the money he stole of people in need
And the anti trust one
They were separated, probably either due to cheating or his DUIs. If you don’t even live with your family, you left them behind a long time ago.
@@uriah4491what are you 8?
No one seprates over a DUI
The assassin just saved UHC from a lawsuit. Ironic.
@@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555 Plenty of people have separated over a DUI I'm sure. People who get DUI's tend to have drinking problems, which cause relationship problems. No one wants to be with a drunk who can't even make the rational choice to not drive while drinking. And that often carries over into relationships.
Why can't asmon answer any question? All he does is refute people's argument by asking to answer an insane strawman?
Person: "I agree with the message that luigi is sending"
Asmon: "So you agree that someone should be allowed to burn an entire federal building with hundreds of employees?"
And then proceeded to antagonize the chatter for a scenario he made up.
He’s the goddamn strawman king. Every counter point made towards him is immediately met with “LETS PUT THAT LOGIC TO SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNRELATED AND YOU’LL SEE IT MAKES NO SENSE”
If the law doesn’t hold CEOs accountable, people will. Saying "you shouldn’t" won’t make a difference.
The law was broken by the murderer, not the insurance company
@@Apophis1010Law was broken by the company, but that is ok, because people needing the payout can't challange them in court anyway.
Some are just above the law. And sometimes we can say, "enough".
@@Apophis1010problem is that they probably lobbied against any laws that would prevent them from denying claims at this rate.
@@Apophis1010 The moral law agreed upon by society was broken by Brian and his company, the legal law of government was broken by the assassin. There must be a way to have the moral law agreed upon by society match the legal law of government. It is the failings of government to ignore it due to corruption and abrasions that go to extremes are inevitable should people continue to be ignored. Doesn't mean it should, simply that it will.
@@Apophis1010 You mean the law passed by people that are lobbied by these companies? Lol 😅😅
“You can’t just go around killing people” unless you’re an insurance company
Or the government....
Or have enough money, power, and influence to do so.....
well said
I am done with Asmongold. So should everyone be. His wealth brainworms have ruined him. It always happens.
During the pandemic, I needed my $5000 RRSP that was tied to some insurance company that my work made us sign up for. Every pay would take a bit of my money and put it into this account and if I wanted to buy a house or go to university, my employer would match my $5000. It took me about 6 months of trying to get my money back because the insurance companies absolutely do not want to cooperate because it's basically their money now and they DGAF about you. They finally emailed me and it was all in broken English with grammatical errors everywhere even though it was 100% a legit email, and after 6 months of waiting I finally got MY money back
@@rotgarg5308logic is not foe everyone.
Bye mate
Nintendo was wrong, 2024 was the Year of Luigi.
Luigi using the Fire flower to dispatch a CEO was not in my bingo card.
Luigi commiting GTA before GTA 6 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
😄
@@RDV333 Was gonna say Bullet Bills
Free ma boi Luigi's Mansion ✊😢
Big L take from our boi. Classist divide strikes again.
Sorry Asmon your wrong about that saying, "its only on reddit are cheering for him" Bro when United Healthcare on their FB page that release a statement about the CEO death... Bro there were 56,000k Laughing reactions and growing ...what does that tell you no its not only reddit everyone frustrated and fed up with the healthcare.
I absolutely hate Reddit and I support Mangione.
He got that streamer money bro , he ain't out here working for slave wages with a medical system that's rigged . God forbid you have a birth defect or genetic predisposition of cancer or a disease.
To be fair 56k is about the average updoots on a popular reddit post
56,000 is a very small number compared to the entire American population. As he said, there are many opinions held on the internet that are not applicable in the real world.
Here is one fact that I will concede to though: most do not mourn his death.
They made it private now so you can’t see the total reaction number, but the last number I saw it at was 90k laugh reactions
Asmon saying it is not popular perspective among irl people as if he interacts with irl people
thats because he gets so many messages and emails a day with people threatening to take his life over his takes. He really is a psychopath...
Don’t be an idiot
You're telling me the hermit milionaire who get's his worldview from unhinged tweets and internet commentary as a whole has a disconnected perspective? Weird take buddy
@@jerrolerro5187 saying that asmon gets his opinions from tweets of all places just because he says something as basic as killing=bad shows how ignorant and how lack of touch with reality you are
yeah thats because he usually online for most of the time ,meanwhile we must work from 9 to 16 suffer enduring health isssue thanks to our goverment. For the first time im disagree with asmon
Vigilantism is a direct response to a broken system. If people had faith in the system then this wouldn’t have happened.
Cool bro but murder is still wrong and he's a POS.
Keep picking the boot
Cool bot post. Taking the law into your hands and murdering someone because you disagree with them, is still an act of evil. Straight to fucking jail with you.
Vigilantism is a direct response to a PERCEIVED broken system. Which is dangerous, because you could have the best system in the world but someone will still perceive fault in it and possibly turn vigilante.
I suppose it could be, but it could also just be their faulty worldview. The Soviet Union pretty much exterminated the successful (rich) people, did that fix the system and improve their lives? Was it based on an accurate diagnosis of 'the system' and its flaws?
Luigi can be a hero and a criminal at the same time. Crimes are inherently disruptions to the social order and are punished as such. The attachment of a moral value to an act is separate from the determination of whether it is good for the maintenance of a functional society. You can hold two complex ideas within your mind simultaneously if you are willing to look into the nuance of it.
Asmon is so funny, a streamer pretending he knows how people who are "offline" think. My Dad literally is never on the internet, he's a construction worker who spends most days outside doing real productive shit, not making a passive income off of bored people's attention, he walked in while I was watching this, saw Luigi and said "That guy's my hero." L take Asmon
he's a construction worker.
@@c1re-x9hthat’s racist.
asmond falling off he’s gotten to many views lately he’s losing touch of reality just ego. He’s been online for 4 yrs min he’s rich lost it
@@Owen-sb8zw the only views he has that are relatable are to the gaming industry, when it comes to shit in the real world he's just another delusional rich guy. I get he wasn't born rich but he's so out of touch with the average person.
I haven't heard anyone in real life say the dude shouldn't be prosecuted. I've heard people say they have no sympathy for the CEO, and I don't either, but we don't allow people like Luigi to continue to live in free society.
Why waste your time arguing ethics? Clearly neither the insurance company nor the killer had ethnics or it wouldn’t have happened. The key issue is that this type of thing will continue to happen and more frequently as things get worse
Yes and instead of companies changing they will just hire more security and screw the people more to pay for said security
Could be the sparks of a revolution if things continue to get worse.
yup
Facts
Exactly asmon talking about nothing talk about vote for change lol . We gotta force to change now
I dont mean to be crude, and i dont mean to say that CEO should have unalived. But lets just remember for a moment. This, is why we have the 2nd amendment. Because at one point Washington and the rest of this country knew the only way to truly stop corruption of the government and ruling bodies, is through cold hard lead.
That fear used to be what kept those at the top and governing bodies from ruthlessly using those below them.
Stop being logical
By that logic he should have stopped BIDEN.
You ever noticed they’re always trying to take away our second amendment .
“Shall not be in fringed” !!!
And I definitely do agree with common sense gun laws unfortunately bad people are gonna use them in a bad way .
@@RobertMorgan Yeah thats true and we all know it. The country has been too weak and scared to do what is right. Once the people realize actual change comes from the fear of physical action, not empty government promises, thats when things get better. Peace & freedom is when the people in power fear consequences from the common people.
Then they stopped being scared when they made weapons of mass destruction and started taking away our guns completely. Its time to change some things.
"You can't just allow someone to decide that they want to kill someone because health insurance companies are bad." But a single healthcare exec who may or may not be responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people - he's just fine potentially committing mass murder in the interest of shareholder profit?
Yo should’ve typed in caps !!!
This a totally separate issue. No one is saying that is okay. He’s saying the punishment should fit the crime. And we shouldn’t let civilians take on the role of judge, jury, and executioner
@davidnordqvist5749 then who will? No one will as it have been said for years on years that the justice system is terrible and the rich always end up free due to their money. So if the government won't uphold justice and allow companies to rob and ruin lives then why can't we take that justice into our own hands. Healthcare in america is the worse Healthcare you can get out of any 1st world countries. So why do we keep allowing this. Because without extreme methods these rich people will never stop and learn instead they will keep doing what makes them money so they can secure their legacy and ruin more lives.
@davidnordqvist5749
That’s right, only government tyrants are allowed to murder freely.
Goofy ass take.
@@davidnordqvist5749the point is this guy's been there for 20 years and no legal judgement ever came to him.
I work at a hospital, literally everyone I work with is happy about it and hope for jury nullification to push the point. I think Asmon forgot that he's terminally online.
I was thinking the same. I’m pretty sure he barely goes outside or has outside interactions like us normal people in the comments
@@coldnhot369How Asmon got popular baffles me. He's not even funny.
@@coldnhot369It’s so great! Chilling on my boat and doing well in life and I would image anyone poorer is happy too. He’s trying to make it seem like only people in some dark corner feel this way! Ok bruh believe that 😅
That's what I said, allot of people I know at my work thought he had it coming to him. Its a bunch of guys who are 25-60 years old
Lmfao the irony
20+ years at united healthcare? guys rotting in hell 100%
*Luigi noises*
You sure?
Dudes hotter than habanero
you got a good laugh out of me. your so right
“Keyboard revolutionaries.“ That is pretty cute, but something tells me that if John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were alive today they would also be shit posting on X. Because we don’t use a quill and parchment anymore and an idea is more infectious than a disease. You communicate through the best medium of the time, because that’s how people talk to each other today. Words have power, no matter how they are delivered.
Wow , definitely a good point, definitely right !
They wrote 70+ Federalist papers. They were basically posting on Reddit for days
Don’t forget Benjamin Franklin and his various pseudonyms. He was the original anon!
There is alot of irony though because these guys essentially started the revolution as rich landowning aristocrats to not pay taxes, and then they turned around and taxed us.
"I took a smelly dump" is a profound statement if you break it down and really analyze it
thinking we can change this via the current system is actual childish thinking
I don’t like that he diminishes people thinking differently than him as “stupid, dumb, childish”
Bro just lot all my respect.
Insurance company’s get away with this because they know people can’t change the system democratically
Crying on youtube def gonna work tho
@@Hoodooboiiii sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade
IKR? Calling everyone else childish when he has the most insanely naive child view of the world.
I think people are going to be surprised with how many stand behind this man's actions, as brutal and ethically wrong they were. People can only be pushed so far.... until you meet someone with little to lose.
Big CEOs are scared shitless right now about copycats springing up
I see some still trying to turn this into a left-right thing. It's sad. I remember the Occupy Wall Street days still, and the powers that be have put in a lot of work to divide us since.
I see some still trying to turn this into a left-right thing. It's sad. I remember the Occupy Wall Street days still, and the powers that be have put in a lot of work to divide us since.
I see some still trying to turn this into a left-right thing. It's frustrating. I remember the Occupy Wall Street days still, and the powers that be have put in a lot of work to divide us since.
@@ElectricPudding05 100% copycats will pop up. Regardless of how you view his actions you can not deny that this will have a ripple effect all across America. Being a Corpo is about to become a lot higher risk than it ever was before.
10:55 the fact that you're forced to have insurance or else you'll be fined by the government. Our payments to them makes them accountable to us WHAT DO U MEAN. L take
Thanks obama
@@klonoa450 He was literally the last president to have any effect on healthcare and there wasn't even a vote for it. Its a joke to think that insurance coverage is a voteable agenda.
I'm pretty sure the supreme court did away with the mandate.
Supreme Court reversed that.
Fr though, it's a waste of money to have health insurance because they deny everything they deem unnecessary. Even if the doctor says it something is urgent, you'd still need a prior authorization to delay something that could have been done that day. It doesn't seem to matter if you have a life threatening problem.
What is insurance for if they don't cover anything?
"You have to change the system democratically" You cant if the system is corrupt. France revolution didnt happen with people voting out the king.
yep, this would’ve never happened if there was another option. but a corrupt system has taken all other options from us.
Nor the US revolution. .
The French revolution changed the elite. Didn't remove it.
Asmoms take on that didn't make sense to me. I can't remember exactly what he said but especially when he was talking about if someone does something illegal to put them on trial. But completely being ignorant that there are people who do illegal things and get away with it because they are powerful and rich. I wlild like to know what he thinks the solution is when the justice system won't change because the rich and powerful stay in it, what should be the right outcome to change it?
There is a reason revolutions are a reoccurring theme in history. Im reminded of the matrix when the system must be torn down.
The manifesto isn’t really THAT crazy and a lot of people relate to it. It’s clear you’ve never had life changing back issues in your family or experienced the hopelessness his mom or him did. Not justified what he did, but I just hate your ignorance to this topic
It's glowie af
It's not ignorance. It takes strength to realize it's wrong no matter how much you hate the system. It's not ignorance, it's maturity
It's crazy how fast people turn off their brains off the moment they hear one thing they disagree with.
Asmon explicitly stated that he sympathizes with Luigi's general statements and assumes he would have gotten along with him on an ideological level.
So what's your point ?
You are putting words in hist mouth and then argue with that made up narrative.
People making guns in a factory do not make direct decisions leading to the deaths of thousands. This guy got raises every year for saving money not lives
EXACTLY. Like this take from Asmon is very short sighted. Calling US short sighted. He believes people voting is the solution.
Если ты пошёл на завод по производству оружия, очевидно что оно будет применено для убийства людей, а значит ты несёшь за это косвенно ответственность. Ты в своей же логике запутался.
@@vladdyloveswine statistically incorrect. Civilian firearm factories produce primarily guns that will not be used in crime or even violence.
A gun also does more than kill. It can ward off an attacker without firing a shot. It can save lives from those who would end them. A gun is a tool that statistically will kill less people than UHC’s claims AI.
The logic is sound. The CEO didn't create policies with the intention of people dying, which is the same as the gun factory. The CEO may have been a rat bastard, but we don't get to murder people for essentially no reason. The government should be held accountable for creating this problem.
@@vladdyloveswine indirectly is the keyword
That guy was directly responsible for the deaths as he was the one who made the ruthless policies to profit off corpses. Doing the thing people pay you to do isn't a big demand.
"In some dark corners"
That's an interesting way to say *everywhere* .
You are a dark corner 😂 I work with over 100 people not one person thinks this guy or you are cool. So you're overruled by your own logic 😂
@@FusedGaming1 no way😂 a sample size of 100😂 all employed at the same place😂 that holds an opinion that thinks they're the majority 😂 do you also like my overuse of emojis?😂
Yup he speaks from a point of living terminally online, I live in a poor area and I've brought it up to friends and colleagues and nobody gives a fuck about this dead CEO, asmon saying "u can't just go around killing they need to be tried under the law" yeah of course Mr billionaire is gonna get tried 😂 come back to reality
@@FusedGaming1 😂 Cringe 😂
@@FusedGaming1 😂you asked everybody suree😂 I'm sure they're comfortable saying their true opinion in the same place they get their income😂
"you cant live in a world like that!" yes you can because you already are living in it.
Is this true?
This dude is living in the wild west. Zack is saying it would be madness to live in a world where killing someone because you don't agree with or like them is acceptable.
@@Azmodian What are you talking about? Every single war and revolution is exactly what you said, killing someone because you dont agree or like them. If people find it acceptable then it is what it is... acting like people being fine with this CEO being assassinated changes ANYTHING shows a complete misunderstanding about how the world works.
@@Azmodianunless it’s your daddy the government, then they can do whatever they want… because they represent the people, unless the people want slavery, because that’s bad and daddy government knows better than we do? 🤔
@@Azmodian why else do you think Putin, Kim jun un and Trump have security? of course we live in a world where if people don't like you they would kill you. you think that if someone like Diddy didn't have security he would be safe out on the streets?
Yea Asmon, was WAY out of touch on this subject.
People on both political sides are massively on Luigi's side.
It is also very apparent he knows this since he refused to do a poll and kept twisting the arguments into the most extreme non-related cases.
Then again it makes sense since in a way he is a CEO, part of the millionaire class and there is a LOT of people that don't like him.
The problem with Asmongolds logic is that .. with that kind of logic.. the american revolution would never have happened.. In fact using that logic NO revolution in history WOULD ever happen.. and tryrants would always come out on top.. if u dont have people prepared to do the wrong thing for the right reasons then things would never change.. money and curruption would always win.
People have gotten to soft and brainwashed. Half the problems today would be solved if people weren't brainwashed to fighting each other. There are more people struggling than there are elites, yet we give them all the power to control us.
The American revolution happened because there was no Democratic way to change society. We on the other hand can change things democratically
Its like saying we shouldn't put serial killers on death row because would you also lock their friends and relatives who had nothing to do with it on the electric chair and do away with them too? There's a big difference between getting rid of the higher-ups who personally are responsible for ruining lives and the desk workers and accountants who are just doing a job. In a perfect world you could just democratically hold them accountable and get rid of them. The real would doesnt work that way. That's why we have our constitutional rights, to be able to speak our minds and protect ourselves should the system ever fail us. People for decades now have been trying to make things change in Healthcare. Yet people out here are still dying because they cant afford their highly overpriced insulin dose for the month, and people who literally go homeless over $50,000 medical bills. You think people havent been trying to change that?
Look up "rules for rulers" - revolutions as you see them basically cannot happen nowadays. It's just the current ruler being replaced by his keys to power with someone they prefer.
There is no mob of armed civilians capable of beating a ruthless, loyalist military - especially not when it's an experienced behemoth like the USA's armed forces. Denying that is outright delusional.
In places like Congo and such, there is at least a case to be made, primarily because the gap in capabilities between armed forces and armed civies is smaller.
Exactly!!!
"if you want other people to be accountable to you and you're willing to use violence to assert that accountability, then don't be surprised when those people turn around and do the same thing"
Yeah that's pretty much what happened
Well, not really. Someone going into a contract voluntarily and then regretting they did, is not anyway near comparable. How were the guy that were shot using violence to assert the accountability of the shooter? Do you even hear yourself, or are you one of those guys that propose words can be violence?
@@Bevrast nothing about health insurance is voluntary so long as there is a federal mandate and other forms of coersion making you do it
@Bevrast I think the problem is that most people don't voluntarily pick their healthcare plan. Most of the time it is just what is provided by the employer. Some places like NY force every to get a select few carriers.
They already use violence to keep us placated and voting.
@@Bevrastyoure so dumb, but you think youre so smart.
Hilarious lill bro
I like how people everywhere across social media all over the world cheering this guy on is characterised as "In some dark corners". Rofl, you cannot trust these puppets.
@@johnpike8010 yea you could see who really owns him in this one 🤣
you cannot trust these puppets.
The hen has come home to roost and I am loving every second of it. United we stand to bargain, divided we will be conquered.
True, like the mainstream media is allowed to vilify this guy, but to frame it like half the country isn’t happy it happened… that’s disingenuous right there. But hey, when are they not.
im genuinely surprised they still think anyone is taking their words seriously
You can't 3d print firing pins, barrels, bullets, springs, pretty much you can print the grip and lower receiver, but that is usually where the serial number to identify the gun is located which is the only reason they call them ghost guns. It is still legal in most states, and has been for most of US history, for people to make their own firearms, but it is easier to buy some parts off the internet then just print the one part that requires you to go through a background check to buy. Not to say printing it is easy, I 3d print (not guns) and even with printing simple things it's easy to print it in a way where it isn't strong enough for what you want. Some n00b doing this would be lucky to get a few shots off before their crappy PLA grip just broke apart. There was one 3D printable gun called the "Liberator" designed to be almost 100% printable, however it still needed real bullets and a firing pin, it could only use .22 (a very small caliber round), and you could only load in a single bullet at a time. You'd be lucky if it didn't blow itself apart after a few shots, if you weren't experienced at 3D printing it'd probably blow apart during the first shot. It's far easier just to buy a gun from someone who isn't a store.
I don't often disagree with you Asmond, but I do on this. Companies often commit tons of crimes, some of which kill people. The people at the top of these companies make those choices. What happens when it gets to court? Often enough no one gets charged, the company (not the individuals) get a slap on the wrist, like a fine (and if it's a money issue, often not fined as much as they've blundered from people). They need to be held more accountable, not just the companies, the individual people in these companies making the choices are the ones who should be charged.
Someone made an interesting comment about how fines are punishments for the poor. They effectively discriminate according to class and wealth.
"if you think the problem is out there . . . That's the problem" . . . You've condoned murder and you think you're the righteous one. Rethink your mindset.
agree, "let the law deal with them" doesn´t work when they can bend the rules and move goalposts, how many times have we heard that someone in power was found guilty and they got away with it with a slight slap on the wrist?
For someone whose favorite word is ACCOUNTABILITY, he seems to have somehow forgotten it this time.
@@thecrimsondragon9744 Yeah if a "fine" is only like 3% of the profit margin then it's not a fine at all, it's simply a cost of doing business.
Tbf, you spend more time on the internet then anyone I can think of lol
Exactly! Dude says people who are terminally online have warped views yet HE"S the one terminally online lol
@@chezwickcheese139And he’s trying to equalize us with the CEO of UHC! GTFO! No chance am I worried about this happening! I’m not the leader of a scam company! It’s an 85 IQ argument to even make 😅!
His comment at 10:44 is HILARIOUS. What political party or politician ran on reforming the health insurance industry 🤔? Oh that's right, NONE OF THEM because they donate to every campaign.
@@MeEncantaKiley As if this CEO didn't choose this job for a shitty company out of his own volition. He saw how much money you can make with the suffering of other people and gladly accepted. Seriosly, some people are acting like they had no choice at all. If i get into a cartell selling drugs, i too, have to live with the possibility that the dad of some junkie gets very, very angry at me and may do something against it.
@@MeEncantaKiley your apparently to 85iq to comprehend the argument hes saying if its ok to kill the ceo someone will likely justify it being ok to kill a low level employee because not everyones moral values are identical or logic is identical so if this is allowed people will push it further i think you need to have some basic comprehension before speaking my dude
Your argument about the CFO being more responsible than the CEO is wrong. Luigi researched who was responsible. That CEO specifically was directly responsible for raising their profits by how much he did because of finding new ways of denying people coverage, many of whom passed away because of it. They then hid this from the public and got away with it.
@@bawilson999 So you are saying he was responsible for all the deaths of customers stealing their money. Then why argue against top comment when you agree ? ( setting strategic goals, and charting its overall direction)
@@urduib mental gymnastics at its peak
@@Bybyguy Your words. Maybe you are doing mental exercises fooling yourself
he "researched" it... ok bro
Time to socialize the damn healthcare system. The CEO is beholden to shareholders, not sick people.
Also chronic pain can make people crazy and majority of people who don't go through this won't understand.
i love how he refused to make the poll, he knows how that poll would have ended
FR if Asmon had a health problem and was not a streamer/youtuber and just an average Joe, his opinion would be different
He obviously can't express his true opinion. Does everyone expect him to say "Yes! Well deserved and I hope more get the same treatment."
However, he is wrong about a lot of what he said in this video. He was pushing the "It's only happening on the internet." and that the system can fix this too much.
The system is fucked and we all know it.
He refused to do the poll because he's right it would be stupid. His argument is that this is "an internet opinion," not a "real world opinion." His platform is on the internet, so what would he prove by doing an internet poll? If you work at a burger joint and only poll people who come in if they like burgers, what has your poll proven?
he hates being wrong, but he is wrong, he's a disconnected rich beta
He does know doesn't he? Funny how it's all cream gravy if it's democracy for these closet democrats but for when democracy has spoken in this comment section tonight all of a sudden logic and democracy goes out the window.
Saying one assassinated Health insurance Ceo is equivalent to a school shooting or killing hundreds of insurance company employees by burning down the building is telling me that he has no arguments and has to exaggerate to field at least 1 point. Really sad towards the end to see him struggle like that.
He shifted the question from "Is it morally okay?" to "Should we make it acceptable as society?"
And those are two very, very different questions.
First asmon video i had to stop watching or i would just unsub. Wtf is he even thinking.....the examples are so so bad that he might have had a small stroke during the night
@@UnavailableForNow24 He's afraid of copycats who might plan to target him.. that's my guess..
I usually agree with Asmon but he really misses the point here.
Asmon got some super bad takes on this one, I forgot that he does not share the struggles of the average person, he is only presenting himself like that
Do you forget what he went through before streaming?
@@nickyb45896 Before? Dude still eats like he's poor lol
@Porkleaker clearly not what I was referring to
@@nickyb45896 so what you're saying is that the money went to his head
@@Baltr money did not went to his head (not in *that* way), but he clearly does not struggle like most normal people do.
i used to be a fan of Asmongold until this video. asmond you’re on the wrong side of this and you know it.
Asmon made a fair point because we do not want to live in a world ruled by violence because their is always someone bigger. BUT he fails to realize that the system he enjoys was born out of violence and the resistance to tyranny. Violence is not always the answer but when it is, know the cost...
America became more tyrannical after the revolution though 😂
What do you mean it was born out of violence? How was voting for a politician born out of violence?
Well said
@mixlllllll how so? I agree we have a less than stellar past and still have issues but we are the best system of government to exist, everyone. Any argument otherwise is a dream and shallowly thought out idea, slapping the face of history and reality.
@@nathankennedy3290 Britain was more democratic than America after independence 😂
I don't agree that your form of government is the best in the world. I mean if you mean a liberal democracy in general, then sure. But a lot of countries has a better form of government.
I think the greater issue is our societal idea that our job absolves us of any moral culpability.
"I ensured this cancer patient won't recieve life saving treatment, but I'm just following company policy."
"I founded a policy that led to increased denials which led toward deaths, but also led to a massive increase in shareholder value for my job."
All of the evil things that people do for the purpose of making a billion dollar corporation even more money has to be the someone's responsibility. Legal does not mean the same as moral. Just because you're able to justifiably am action in the name of profit legally doesn't necessarily mean you can do so morally.
Legally, the CEO was an innocent man. Morally, he was not.
And I can't be angry at a man who would lash out after being wronged morally or against someone committing a substantial moral wrong against him or others, especially in a system that would support that moral misgiving.
A lot of people have lost the most important thing in their lives, whether that be their loved ones or their own lives, thanks to insurance companies doing everything they can to eek out a small margin more profit. What value can a person have for a system that allows for them to have their most important things ripped away from them for something as trivial as another few dollars in a billionaires bank account, already bloated far beyond any realistic chance of spending?
"Yes, the system allowed for your parent/partner/child/loved one/you to die, but the UnitedHealthcare profit margins just went up another .0000000001%, so be invested in the system."
I understand capitalism greatly benefits most every person in a society. It's an incredible system, so long as we treat it with balance. If we forsake people in favour of capitalism, expect the people to turn on the capitalists.
Wrong is wrong no matter how people try to spin it. A husband and a father’s life was ended. Who are we to say the man was morally bankrupt or not. That’s between him and God.
None of us are morally innocent.
Banality of evil, look it up.
Great comment. Passivity in the face of evil is not moral. People pretend like violence has nor been the answer to many issues and crisis throughout history. When oppressed people are given no legal or civil option. Then what is to be expected of the oppressed
@@seanguinnYour statement can go both ways. It ultimately falls on the person and their beliefs.
"in some dark corner" = 99% of the internet
asmond falling off he’s gotten to many views lately he’s losing touch of reality just ego. He’s been online for 4 yrs min he’s rich lost it
99% of murican interwebs?
99%? Look at the ratio
never been so glad to be poor and unimportant :)
@bushwookie2438 I'm canadian I I approve Luigi
Disconnected from reality. Asmongold is a millionaire, who would expect him to understand how many loved ones are gone long before their time because of Brian Thompson.
since the incident, health insurance employees are now all of sudden super friendly & supportive on the phone... wonder why, lol
Yeah you didn't talk to nobody on the phone vampire
Scam companies better pay up and do it’s damn job
Lil bro, you don't even talk to the Uber Foods driver. Get out of the house🙏🏼💀
They are AI
Yeah most claims are approved or denied by a AI system. Hence the high denial rate. Robots have no emotions.
01:04:00
If the US can give money to Ukraine and Israel, it can pay for a type of Health Care system that supports most of its citizenship.
Very good point! they can give money away like it is going out of fashion when it is something that benefits the ruling class.
Israelis get free healthcare...paid for by the US taxpayer who is told they don't deserve free healthcare.
Makes you wonder who is in charge.
Elon should do a Post online to see were people stand, i bet the Government will be very worried
The US already pays more than double the money per capita on healthcare compared to other western countries that have affordable healthcare. US citizens should have the best healthcare in the world for free. This has nothing to do with Ukraine aid, it's obvious pockets are being lined instead of healthcare being provided in the US.
We literally pay 100% of the healthcare and education for several countries, including Israel. Yet we can't afford to take care of our own? Dumb.
The amount of strawmanning in this one was crazy.
ya if your poor u can do whatever you want right?
Elaborate
Yeah, he'll take a position and stretch it without understanding context matters.
"You can't live in system that allows this will happen!"
From a european sight, i laugh and ask you:
How many us-company-whistleblower survived '24?
Most ppl offline are laughing about it too.
Can't say this is true.
Yup. I saw someone with a t-shirt that had a picture of the shooting and the Defend Deploy thing on the back
@iRedacted Hell, I'm writing them
Yep, they were blasting "Hey Man Nice Shot" over here.
@@didiwever834it’s true, most people are totally apathetic to that guy getting whacked on the street.
Blue collar workers, a few office yuppies too who I know.
If Asmon was around the revolutionary war time he’d be arguing that Washington is crazy and violence against the British is unacceptable. Right or wrong. It’s symbolic of how the regular person feels. Asmon can’t see that.
Asmon is a champagne conservative
How else would you hold people like this CEO accountable? In court? They own the courts.
That’s mad mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion 😂😂😂
Yeah he's not the sharpest crayon in the box
Asmon sees it, and he obviously doesn't want the colonials to go to war against the British because it would lead to chaotic, violent consequences and loss of lives. The Americans won that war and 250 years later....... here we are, dealing with the same issue again, and it'll happen again.....
Asmon is taking the approach Socrates took, he doesn't want the state to fall into chaos. But the health system is in chaos and nobody will provide a solution, in the meantime people are dying in their thousands, someone has to do something, otherwise...
The French had a solution, the Americans had a solution, Cromwell had a solution.
I find Luigi Mangione more worthy of praise and good fortune in life than the Hawk Tuah girl.
Luigi Mangione is my community service worker of the year.
There is no solution. People die every day. Nobody is entitled to the labor and resources of others just because they are dealing with health problems. SOMEONE has to pay the bill. And even if it was a universal healthcare situation, people die due to long waiting lists. Its always going to be a problem. But you know what? You are still better off than your ancestors that, if they broke a leg or got an infection, their death was practically assured. There was nothing to be done. Its much easier to treat those things nowadays. I wouldn't call that chaos. We are all lucky to have access to any healthcare at all. Even if we can't afford certain treatments for certain health crisis and end up dying for it. Thats life on Earth. You cannot blame a random CEO for that.
Unfortunately for Asmon, historical events are rarely pushed forward by logic and sophistry. Human emotions drives history.
The tipping point would be, when more people identify with Luigi than with Asmon.
Happened in France, in America, in England and countless times across the world.
Wild to me how people still genuinely believe that the French revolution was about the poor rising up to overthrow the rich and not one group of rich people using the poor to overthrow a different group of rich people.
@@An.Unsought.Thought This single insurance company is just another brick in the wall of fucks that those in charge don't give about the normal person. Most other countries don't have bank breaking prices on their healthcare.
Also I never thought I'd see someone carrying water for the current medical industry in this country.
Probably just a kid on their parents insurance.
lmaoooo asmongold of all people believes in the ability of our government's democracy to fix all the issues in society. The guy whose entire philosophy is extremely pessimistic surrounding the nature of people to make the right long term decision, believes in democracy lmfao mkay dude
18:45 how would a guy whose terminally online know what normal people think.
You think your a normal person? Ok revolutionary XD
i just think it's funny how he's committing the same mistake the he lambasted the democrats for making in the election; underestimating just how much of the masses have been 'radicalized' by the system.
He has run multiple businesses. He interacts with people constantly. People saying this are genuinely so smooth brained I cant help but laugh. There is a difference between "Guy whos job is to stream online" and "terminally online person who chooses to spend all their time online and not interact with the real world". For one its a job, and something they do part time, for the other its a hobby and a lifestyle.
I think people making this argument genuinely dont understand what terminally online means, but use it as an insult anyway.
@@ChimpBrained I wasn't using term as an insult, I was using it as a descriptor. If you watched Asmon regularly you would know that he refers to himself as terminally online fairly often. And yes he is cause guess what, all those people your saying he interacts with? They are also streamers and personalities whose entire career is also wrapped up in being terminally online. I'm a bigger fan of Asmon than anyone including you but let's call a spade a spade, blindly kissing his ass isn't gonna do favors for anyone.
Asmon saying the guy working to barely get by at the bottom level of an insurance company who has no ability to influence policy has the same moral culpability as the CEO making 100 million a year and actively deciding company policy is hilarious.
Shows who CEO Asmon identifies with in this story LOL
If I became a millionaire by playing WoW and not leaving my basement, I'd be incredibly humbled at the opportunity and grateful for the everyday people who made that possible. But it seems like Asmon instead sympathizes with the businessmen who made their millions by slitting his viewers' throats.
@@christopherenders4280 He's really starting to get full of himself. He has a huge platform and he lets his fat ego get in the way of common sense. He used to have some pretty reasonable takes on most things imo, but this is just..
Like what does he expect to happen? You give it 2 centuries. You watch millions die. CEO's kill people, get a slap on the wrist. Walk away. No one is taking this healthcare CEO to court. Democracy isn't fixing it.
People aren't just going to sit around and be abused for decades, or centuries. Eventually there's a rising. Like come on Asmon. This isn't one guy, it's society.
@@christopherenders4280don’t forget about all the people that the company approved treatment for, just bc you have health insurance doesn’t mean you will be covered no matter what….if you owned the insurance company I would guarantee that if a client came to you and said that they have stage two lung cancer and have been a policy holder for twenty years however for the last 15 years they have been smoking three packs of cigarettes a day you too would deny their treatment due to them causing the cancer to themselves, a policy claim can be revoked/refused due to several reasons
@christopherenders4280 at the end of the day, its big corporation that pays him that money, not his viewers (granted they can directly pay him through donations)
We are already held accountable by health insurance companies. People make payments to them.
The problem is that it's a one-way street. There's no way to hold a helath insurance company liable when they deny care.
Yea, and if the insurance company can't afford to pay out for treatment then shouldn't they just increase the premiums? Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work?
@@pimpensteinmcchickenlegs6292that makes sense when the company isn’t turning one of the largest profits of any company in the world. They’re not hurting for cash.
" its" theft by deception when a business fails to provide a service and bills as if provided a service. Theft by deception is a felony.
Man, you are smart in some domains but here you are totally wrong. You either don't go outside to often or you don't know how the real world works. This is what actually each country should have or do, a brave man, group and bring/make a good country from that. You don t see it? Its either us or them....god damn
The worst take I've heard about this so far "just work harder and get a better job if you don't like the Healthcare system" 🙄🤡
Right how long have we been told that?
Apparently us the 90% they think were their lackey or something !
They think we’re stupid because we’re not rich , maybe, just maybe most of us have a conscience and like to sleep at night .
@@JayCee5150-h9f that is true. I never believed that as a Junior or Regular worker in my life.... 12 years, and I am lower management, slightly going up to upper management.
I am really considering better swapping to more technical Supervisor than upper management, because I started to learn about all these management and C-Level guys.
I was shocked, I get like 10% info of what these upper guys share among them, it is nasty, it's cold business, it's lying alot!!! And I was already told to be part of the lying part. No. I hate this, I better learn to be more technical and teach others about my profession.
I also know, that honest and empathetic people in upper management do not survive long. I had a very good project lead, she survived 3 years
Yes become a slave to the system grinding so you don’t get screwed over by the system… only to realise you were being screwed over the entire time…
The shooter was a nepo baby with millions of dollars. It was Rich on Rich crime.
@@georgeporgy7568 exactly and he hated UHC and blamed them for his back problem we can see the 2 books he read was about back pains
A CEO THAT CREATES AN A.I. THAT DENIES 90% OF CLAIMS.... "DENY, DELAY, DEPOSE---- DELETE"
Politicians decide what is Rx and what is OTC.
Politicians decide who is and is not allowed to practice medicine.
Politicians - specifically Gov Newsome and DA (now VP) Harris - fought to stop people from competing in a free and open market, and ensured their monopoly.
Killing CEOs for problems created by career politicians (typically democrat ones), is the most mid-wit redditor idiocy I've seen in a very long time.
I like how they pointed out the robot has a 90% failure rate like well your assuming it was programmed to make medical decisions it was not it was programmed to just deny everything think about it this guy himself proves thats all it does they have agents they hire like this guy that dont deny enough because they have human emotions i know hire me as CEO i designed this AI that can say no to any claim because it doesn't suffer from emotions lol
nah more like Yes-men that want to get more money from investors tell him it's the best thing to do and keep telling him it's working as should be.
@@Chippaizationceo shills always talk about how you get paid a lot because you risk a lot, but then always defend them by saying it was some other hypothetical person's fault every time something bad happens. Pathetic
terminally online millionaire has opinions on what normal people think lmao.
Same guy with decade old mold growing over top his setup
People sometimes forget that Asmon is also a part of the 1%. Of course he doesn't want to see rich people getting gunned down.
He's the king of offering up positions and ideas that make sense logically but have no basis in reality because he doesn't actually know what's going on in the world because he sits at home all day playing video games and interacting with his audience.
yeah, asmon pretends to be humble but he has a hard time hiding. the whole "i buy cheap clothes, drive old cars, eat cheap steak" is all bs for the camera and try to relate with his viewers to keep them supporting him $$ in reality he is with the wealth people. if you look at his streamer award show, its nothing humble... everything is fancy and expensive.
@@samkatsu5762 Like "Fake Drinking" the Pepsi? He didn't even drink it a couple times. I wonder if he's paid by Pepsi.
20:46
That's not the same thing. Mass targeters harm innocent people and don't have a single target. This case would be more like a hypothetical person attacking a priest for being a pdf
A better real-world comparison would be Gary Plauche. He took the law into his own hands, but the jury acquitted him due to the nature of his target
If you want fictional examples with more nuance, there’s Kira (Death Note) and the Punisher for large scale or Inigo Montoya (Princess Bride) and maybe Kratos from the first God of War game for a more personal aspect
I think Saw 6 also captures the debate around medical insurance as murder really well, albeit in a much more grisly fashion
a healthcare INSURANCE company making record profits, along the likes of apple, is ABSURD.
So we limit the amount insurance companies can make so that nobody want to provide insurance?
@@chrisduncan1647 there's something to be said about low profit margins increasing trustability. Low profit filters out scammers leaving mostly passionate financial martyrs
It's never really great to hard cap a business. I agree. But should health insurance be treated like a tech startup or as a public service
@@chrisduncan1647no but safe to assume they probably could’ve remained profitable without denying so many claims yes?
@Tyren17k profitable to some degree, sure. But it's a publicly traded company they have a "responsibility" to put investor profits above all else. If they can't do that, people don't invest.
@@chrisduncan1647 Yes. The regulation should be a percentage of profit can be made and the rest must be spent on HEALTH CARE.
7:00 no, it is the opinion a lot of people hold. All my friends and many guys in my workplace, agree that it was only a matter of time stuff like this started happening.
Honestly I just feel since Asmond is a public figure, he feels in a position that he could be targeted. Because lets be real a lot of people would try to do something to him if given the chance.
But that aside, saying your avarage person doesn't think this is pure bs. Literally look at every dang revolution in the past, people get fed up with the oligarchy and off to chop heads off.
For someone who loves to speak about human nature and how fucked up humans are, Asmond is letting his biases show with his argumentation.
He has to speak out against it or he's breaking TOS. It would be better for the channel if he didn't even cover it.
@@Tilt_TM No, he has to speak out about it otherwise he's saying he's ok with people trying to take him out. Bottom line is you can't let one person decide who stays and who goes.
What do you think would happen if more vigilantes started taking matters into their own hands. Those oligarchs would star WW3 with Russia and send all military age males to fight to thin the herd, then have the remaining poor fight each other. All susscessfull revolutions were fought between people with power or money, the best we can do is give power or money to the right people. A peasant uprising will never work.
Excluding very few examples Revolutionaries became more oppressive than who they were overthrowing.
"I know a few people who think it's okay, therefore the majority of the country thinks it's okay."
Oh yeah? Well I know a few people who think it's not okay, so that obviously proves you're wrong. /s
this honestly just shows me Zach doesn't understand the view point of many Americans, has went on record saying he didn't go to hospitals when he was younger unless he absolutely needed to and now that he's an adult with millions of dollars he doesn't have to pay hundreds of dollars a month to a company so you can go to hospital affordably, then when you finally do have a medical emergency and make a claim just to be denied. I've personally seen my own surgeon yelling at insurance companies on the phone because of how scummy they can be. yes we can all agree murder is bad and it shouldn't happen, but when you are the leader of a company that is supposed to help people in their most dire times of needs just to screw them over with life chaining injuries or worse. and brag about having the highest denial rates and highest profits off of peoples real physical pain, he should've just painted a target on his back for him. you can say people are just thinking with emotion all you want but what do you expect to happen when this man is the head of company that literally profits off of people in their most vulnerable states after already robbing them of thousands of dollars, just to have coverage that may work. its not really fair to say people can just not get insurance or switch carriers because this isn't just a one company problem, I've been through medical insurance hell with 3 different carriers trying to file claims that "they didn't cover" after taking my money for YEARS. any average American has to pay for health insurance just for the chance to get covered otherwise it could financially cripple most average American without coverage, which still happens even after being a loyal customer for years
Thank God someone wrote it out clear and concise thank you!
None of that refutes his point. His point was the logic of the people justifying what happened crumbles to dust under any scrutiny.
He was literally applying their logic to other controversial situations to see if it still held true for them. At the end of the day, in a civilized society, you don't go around shooting people that wronged you, think different than you, or say something you don't like. This is literal caveman, degenerate, overly emotional rationale.
I had United Healthcare for 20 years and never had a problem with them. I went to the doctor a lot too. Even approval for surgeries. But at some point it's understandable that it's all a lottery of sorts. They rely on a lot more healthy people to pay for the costs of the unhealthy. The hospitals and doctors are they ones who dictate costs and these insurance companies try to negotiate them down. I have been told different amounts the costs were depending on what insurance company I had. My doctor actually was glad I had United Healthcare because they knew they were getting paid.
I assure you Asmon knows that CEO, who deployed AI to deny claims, is a scumbag. Asmon is just a very, very logic driven guy that he refuses to let his emotion hijack his argument sometimes to a fault, which is that if we go down that road like that Mangioni did, it's all chaos and violence.
I am not terminally online. I work as a commercial fisherman and would not say I am normal. If things keep up this way. I think people in high positions making gross amounts of money at others expense and actively hurt others for profit this might help. Of course killing anyone is horrible. I am sure a lot of these people are probably not horrible. They are continuing harmful actions to society something will happen. It doesn't matter if two wrongs or a million wrongs don't make it right. Nothing will never happen. So we should move forward positively. Not rashly or with neutrality. Because we can already see that something horrible is possible. We all know this and do nothing or act once it becomes too much and act in rash ways. I see where Zach comes from on topics. He also contradicts himself constantly. Awareness is very difficult especially self awareness. I get it, I struggle with it too.
This is seriously one of the hardest asmongold videos to watch. Dude is trying his hardest to justify this Ceo killing countless people.
Hes trying to compare the CEO who makes millions per year by actively runining lives to Mr and Mrs office worker who work a telephone 8 hours a day for $16 an hour to provide for their families. One is stuffing their pockets till they overflow with cash, profiting off the suffering of thousands if not millions...while the other is just working a 9-5 barely able to afford the insurance of the company they work at.
The part where he was saying that someone mass shooting people because their ideology is the same as someone killing a person as a form of justice is the same was pretty hard to get through.
I couldn't make it after 5 minutes,as soon as I heard the first 2 sentences I knew his takes will be brain dead so I just stopped watching.
Literally, I have never posted on his videos. But I was infuriated by his shit take. I felt compelled to write how delusional he is.
The more I watch him, the more I realise how delusional he is. He needs to stick to his videogames.
Of course Asmons defends the American legal system, he's one of the few rich enough to use it
If you don't have at least 6 figures sitting around, it doesn't matter how good your case is
Yea, I actually forgot Asmon is a top 1% in the US. I think it's logical he'd be on the rich guys side.
This is one of the few times I’ve seen his richness actually start to matter on stream. He’s really not like his viewers anymore. Are we gonna find out he goes home to a different nicer house at night? At this point I wouldn’t even be surprised.
I'm on Asmon's side and I don't have health insurance at all. Do you really need it?
@@ScorchedRabbithe’s probably the top .1% since the top 1% in Texas earns only about $750k per year
All of his takes flipped the moment he started dating that Chinese girl. I think she might be an agent for the CCP.
Super watered down version of this is when a kid fights back against their bully in school. There are repercussions for assault, no matter what. But maybe the school has a responsibility to mitigate bullying in the school, because if they do nothing it's gonna be an all out brawl in the cafeteria.
And now they realize when you sterilize a child's experience like this in school it tends to have some major negative life impacts.
Fighting is necessary for boys to grow up with a healthy mindset. Conflict.
The idea that it's immoral to fight let's bullies ultimately win. People need to be taught to stand up for themselves or you get a country that turns into a money printing machine at the expense of people dying.
Huh... Kind of like what's happening with Healthcare insurance. Odd.
Extremely good metaphor.
Problem here is… the bully and their parents “donate” too much money to the school board.
Bruh, do you really believe that you can change the system democratically? I think lobbyists might have something to say about that. People want to fund their re-election campaigns...