Okay, here's a thought. I hope I can say it in a way that makes sense. Just because I wasn't on the Titanic doesn't mean that I can't understand fear, shock, panic,and grief. Our life circumstances are very different. Our feelings? Not so much. That's why your story is so important to us. You show us that we can start in a dark place and still build a life filled with light and love. Thank you for that.
Exactly, well said, trauma is trauma and there are no degrees of trauma from an individual perspective so many of us can learn and be inspired by Cesi even if we didn’t grow up in a cult 🙏💞🙏
Yes, you can understand fear, trauma, shock, panic and grief, but you can’t understand mine or Cesi’s, even if your experience was the same. You can imagine. A saying I deplore ‘I know how you feel’ because you don’t. I know you didn’t say that. These stories are important to us, but we can only imagine how it felt to live their experience. We can relate to trauma, but we can’t relate to Cesi’s trauma. We can have empathy for her. It is wonderful that she was able to build a life with new light and love. Everybody’s experience is their own.
Yes, I have watched quite a few of these shows about the FLDS members and the brainwashing and what it takes to start over and think differently and I always think how similar we all are. I know what it feels like to realize my community's ways are not my ways. I know how hard it is to break free and start over and learn to think more clearly for myself. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm just a regular gal from Pennsylvania who has started over many times and is thriving just like you ❤
@@deedawson6074 Truly, everyone's experience is their own. If it sounded as if I was trying to co-opt that then I expressed myself poorly. Each of us sees the world through a unique lens. Our path through and past our experiences must also be unique. But, I believe that our humanity is shared. I can stand with you and for you while still respecting your boundaries.
Couldn't have said is better. I will forever remember your story about the titanic. I always say I was in a red submarine and you in a yellow submarine....what I'm trying to say is both is pain but I cannot relate to your's cause I've never been in your shoe slots of love and huge hug. ❤
I question almost everything and comply when it makes sense or is the right/best thing to do. Extra-Biblical rules are those most frequently abused in order to control others or acquire unlawful gain. For a time on my spiritual journey, I attended an Independent Baptist Church that I’d classify as a high control environment. Anyone who didn’t fit in with the 1950’s style white, American family was rarely accepted to join. Because they did do a lot of charitable work in the major city neighborhood as missionary outreach, there were many non-members who were welcomed--to a point! The longer I stayed, however, the more restricted I felt. I enrolled in their four month Bible Study and preparation for membership class. There was a lot of sexism to the point of ridiculousness. I recognize some of it here. The class was in the evening from 7:00-8:30, and a rule that women were not allowed out after dark without a man. As Summer turned to Fall, I was instructed not to drive to the church because a man would have to drive me home! At this time I was 34 years old, had a full time, professional job, had my own apartment, my own car, was self-supporting, and had been that way since age 18. I worked my way through both college and university. They were willing to look the other way, but just until they had found a husband for me! When I missed a class due to a business trip to Atlanta, the pastor was horrified that I’d flown into LaGuardia at night and went home on public transportation, ie. bus and subway. Any unescorted woman out at night was almost automatically a whore or asking for it. Women weren’t allowed to engage in competitive sports or strenuous activities lest we be spoiled for childbearing. For that reason, the men and boys did all the carrying, lifting, “heavy” work at church functions. We weren’t allowed to carry folding chairs, for example. At first, I thought it was chivalry, until this one girl who was a student at NYU got yelled at by the pastor’s wife. We thought she was joking, but she wasn’t. Two of her young sons ran over and took the chairs. I recall the girl looking at me and asking, “Who does she think does it when we’re by ourselves?” Then there was the clothing stuff, no uniforms like Amish or some of the Mormons, but dresses or skirts, only, and loose, prairie style dresses and jumpers were preferred to skirts and blouses. Business dresses or skirt suits were considered immodest because they were too form fitting, as in, you couldn’t wear them while pregnant without showing! Of course, women weren’t supposed to work outside of the home! A person like myself was supposed to live with her parents and help them if not married. Well, and if your parents are no longer living? Then you live with a male sibling’s family. I didn’t have a male sibling. The only sibling I had was shacked up with this guy who turned out to be wanted by the police in his country. I wasn’t invited and wouldn’t move in even I were! Then I got to questioning actual doctrine. The pastor could not give me any better answer than, “Because I am the pastor and have a degree from Bible Baptist Seminary.” IOW, he had three years of post high school education, not even the equivalent of a Bachelor’s degree! When I got to asking questions about Church history, he knew virtually nothing! In fact, he didn’t know history, period! Then there was his literal, Old Testament tithing requirement. I wasn’t a member and he wants everyone in the class to bring in a copy of the last year’s income tax! No way! That’s private information, besides, tithing was supposed to be on one’s honor according to the church by-laws. Apparently, tithing was at the honor of married, male, heads of families. For all others, the pastor and church board of directors determined the amount to tithe! That was the final straw. During the class break, I gathered up my stuff, went to the restroom, and departed out the side door. I never went back. I heard nothing from anyone at all for about six months until I received a form letter in the mail that my application for membership had been denied, and that I was not to have contact with church members unless I was willing to publicly repent after first meeting with the pastor and elders. It was as close to being excommunicated as one could come without being a baptized member. About a week after receiving the letter, I was sitting in the Duane Reade pharmacy waiting area when the pastor’s wife came in followed by five of their kids. I stood up to greet her and give over my chair because it was obvious a new baby was soon to be added to their family. I had nothing against her personally. If she liked her religious life, that was fine with me. She’s the one that married her husband, not me! Much to my amazement, she turned pale as a ghost, grabbed two of the kids, hissing, “Stand back,” and addressing me, “Repent, you heretic!” And she half herded, half dragged the children out of the store! Her behavior was actually noticed and commented upon by New Yorkers! I just shrugged my shoulders, shook my head, and sat back down.
It's a wonder that anyone is able to escape, considering everything that's stacked against them emotionally, mentally and physically. Kudos to those who accomplish that.
As the child for a parent who escaped a cult at a young age this story touched close to home. Especially the part where the children were forcefully taken away from their father as this happened to me as well... Honestly my main point is that I think you are an amazing mother and you are a strong woman!!
Ceci! So good to hear your story! As a fellow XFLDS, this is helping me want to share my story! As an X-wife of WSJ, I've got a lot to say!! So glad to hear you are doing well! I'll definitely be checking out your Instagram!! Keep it up girl!!
Hi! We just interviewed Briell who was his 65th wife, which will come out next. Shoot me an email if you’re interested in sharing ❤️ cultstoconsciousness@gmail.com
Ceci, speaking your mind and giving your uncensored opinion on social media and wherever else IS NOT being a "bad girl". It is being YOU and you are good just the way you are!!!
*Ceci* Firstly, congratulations on the growth and identity you've been able to reclaim and take charge of being out of the FLDS!! We can tell that you are such a good-natured, caring person.. so many people cannot achieve that even being born into 'typical' society. You are every ounce of strength and dedication that you and the children need/deserve. Being left to your own devices.. with ALL of the children like that... WOW. I can't imagine the stress/fear you must've harbored in these moments. But again, major props for taking things on and doing what needed to be done. Freedom is beautiful, let it ring loud.🖤 The hardships you've endured, emotional and otherwise, have clearly built you into such a strong woman. You and *Shelise* had a VERY important conversation regarding the lack of sex education that I just wanted to reiterate. *Keeping people 'obedient' and unaware of their own bodies is VERY destructive and breeds abuse. In being deprived of some of the most basic things, like identifying parts of your own body, these predators are practically feasting on children with their abuse..* - Never stop speaking up and being loud about it. Our voices must stand for those who experience suppression of their own words. - ~Much love and support as always 🖤 *(Also, Shelise, the outfit is fire mama!! 👏🔥)*
It continually boggles my mind what your guests have bravely endured, Shelise. As I watch and listen to their interviews, I find myself cheering them on. 🎉 Ceci, you are a survivor! I am SO happy you have a wonderful husband now and that your precious children are with you. Congratulations to you! ❤ Shelise, you look absolutely stunning! You grow more and more beautiful every day! 😍
Wow, she doesn’t even realize that her ex-husband is a predator too. He didn’t care what happened to the three boys, allowed them to start with her parents (1:09:29) but kept it a secret that he had their girl. He did that because she has “trading value” within the cult. Too many boys and there aren’t enough girls to go around. But he kept close reigns on her daughter. Not to mention that he married her when she was 16 and he was 35/36 and then took on another three wives within the next 7/8 years who were all clearly even younger than she was at the time of his subsequent “marriages”. As soon as she accepts that her husband is just as much of a predator as Warren Jeffs and his closest crew, the sooner she’ll understand why her husband tried so hard to get in good with them.
Off topic: Shelise, It's been nice watching you "grow" as your channel grows. You're gone from timid girl messing with her ipods all the time, to married, now pregnant, and bright, vibrant, happy, secure and as usual....a joy to watch. Keep doing you. I love your grace and beauty, inside and out. 🥰
Ceci's pragmatism about her relationship with her ex husband about love v in love, wanting attention, being seen as interchangeable etc is something that really struck me. This is despite being in a forced marriage as a teenager. Ceci is a fighter, i can tell she can make the best of any tough situation. She deserves peace and freedom now for escaping the FLDS :)
It's braking my heart. Who'd ever think that after raising your children,someone tells you, you cant see them anymore. It's so sick for anyone to have had that much control
What a great interview. I’m fascinated by anyone who can go from a controlled environment then find their own wings as Ceci has. That’s the strength of spirit and intelligence. Continued blessings.
When I was 5 years old, my brother was conceived. My sister (2 years older than me) and I had questions, so our parents got us the book, Where Babies Come From. I remember the drawings were hilarious, though in hindsight there wasn't anything inaccurate in that book. Ten years later, I was SA'd by someone I had a crush on; definitions were just starting to shift on those subjects, & he didn't physically hurt me, but I knew what was happening & that it was not right. I can't imagine going through that with someone twice my age, who I sort of recognized, with no education or information about what to expect. Even if emotions aren't involved, it's such an intimate thing that not preparing you was just cruel. I hope he was at least considerate of you--and from what Shelise has taught me about purity culture he probably wasn't. Thank you for sharing that part of your life with us!
Shelise, I've said it before and I'll say it again - you're amazing! It is no wonder that your energy attracts and brings to the fore such extraordinary people as Ceci. Interviews like this are so uplifting. Thanks again.
The energy you emit is the energy you attract. That's how Shelise & Jonathan have built this amazing community, & how they attract such impressive people to their show.
I think your guest deserves an award for the hours she spent listening to Warren Jeffs drone on in tapes she had to listen to when she was trying so hard to be a "good girl." In light ofJeff's proven conduct, the requirements placed on her and so many others were way beyond ironic. I respect Cece for sharing her truth. ❤
I am always impressed by the spirit of these women (and men) who have only what is inside of them as a person to guide them to something better. No one could imagine the strength it takes to stay and the strength it takes to leave any abusive situation. Amazing people. ❤️
I've never really stopped to think about it in these terms, but the purity culture in Mormonism absolutely put me in an unfair disadvantage when I went through CSA as i didn't know what was happening. I didn't have the words for it, & couldn't articulate it even begin to explain what was going on. I was 7 when it started 9 when it stopped only because we moved to another state. 12 when I started to understand 15 when I first told an adult. In my 30's when I had done enough healing not to be carrying anger, shame & sadness over the violation of my childhood. The individual who had done this from my understanding was an ex LDS member.
I’m so sorry to hear that. I do think the shame and non education surrounding purity culture play a large role in CSA. I hope you continue to find peace ❤️
The bravery this took. Im blown away. What an inspiration! Sending love and prayers to your healing journey and what the rest of your lives bring. Thank you for allowing us in to that part of your life.
what an outstanding young woman! She escaped a prison! Her heart, mind and soul told her something was wrong. Her motherly love rescued her children from the same fate.
I’m so happy for Ceci - she is such a sweet soul. I’m also happy she found her passion in creating clothes for kids. You go girl! Love from Canada ❤🇨🇦🙏
Wow what a fighter! Sometimes the hardest part about being a mom is letting your kids grow up. By her letting her children know that they have choices and a voice that they can use even if they disagree with her, they can always speak up. That shows what an amazing mother she is. This stranger on the Internet is very proud of your progress. You are an inspiration to not only those that have been affected by cults or purity culture but to me, a single mom trying my best to raise my children right.❤
Ceci, you seem like such a kind, sweet soul! Thank you for sharing your story. Congratulations on your amazing journey and raising what sound like awesome kids.
Ceci, I'm so blessed to get to hear your testimony! I remember how outraged I was when the Warren Jeff's story was being unveiled through the media. I often wondered how the rest of the people recovered. I'm eternally grateful to hear that your family got out from under the FLDS control. I was hoping to hear about your current Biblical beliefs and was saddened that they were not included. Of course when I realized that you've only been out for six years I can completely understand that you may still have the spirituality aspect up in the air. I will pray for you, your husband and children so that you each have wonderful God moments while he continues to love you through your healing. I do genuinely pray that Jesus is more than real to you, not only in the spirit but in the flesh too. Thank you again for sharing your story. God bless you
YES TO SEX EDUCATION! 🎉 I work in a family health clinic where we offer confidential reproductive services to people in need regardless of age, insurance, and income- reproductive health isn’t taboo, and talking about reproductive health doesn’t mean we are encouraging kids to have sex!! The numbers show that kids are having sex- we just want them to be having safe and consensual sex if they are!!
@@CultstoConsciousness crying because I hope to someday have the impact that you and your channel has, in my community! Thanks for all you do Shelise and giving survivors a platform!
@@anjelikag I guarantee that you have a MUCH BIGGER impact than you even realize. Without this comment section (if we were audio only) I would have no idea. What you do is boots on the ground work that I wish I could do as well. Your job is so incredibly important and needed!
@@CultstoConsciousness you have the sweetest soul! Sometimes I don’t feel like I am not making a difference. I really needed to hear that. Remember, whether you have your boots on the ground or having this platform, you are doing incredible work as well! As always thank you again for using your platform not just raising your voice but the voice of others! YOU ARE AMAZING!
Yes! We are so behind here in America. We stigmatize sex instead of educating. Normalize it. You’d be surprised as how much less young sex would be going on when these kids realize the outcomes and understand their bodies and their choices of who and what they will be doing with it.
I couldn’t imagine not being able to enjoy intimate acts with a partner except for baby making purposes…also I can’t even begin to imagine giving all of my life to this community, only to be kicked out and lose my entire family and home and job. I imagine that a lot of the people who experienced this either had a really hard adjustment period or died by suicide. It’s just absolutely heartbreaking.
I come from an Evangelical Christian background. I was adopted. The only thing I was told about sex was that I was to remain a Virgin until marriage. If I got pregnant I would give it up for adoption. That was my sex education. I gave birth to two children and didn't know I had "three holes" until I was in my 40 s when I got a severe yeast infection and took a mirror to myself. What a revelation! Really sad.
Oh no I'm so sorry this has happened to you... I'm not surprised that some parents are fine with this, but why did no friend of yours fill you in or just had these conversations with you? I would do that... it is so important to me that women around me know that they are normal and beautiful. More than one person has failed you.
Siendo alguien absolutamente atea, de crianza atea y con grandes criticismos al pensamiento religioso en general, estoy super agradecida por tu contenido. No solo ayudas a mostrar la realidad peligrosa del fanatismo en general lo cual comparto, si no que también me has enseñado a tener más tolerancia y empatía hacia las personas religiosas que desde fuera, al menos para mi, siempre me ha costado comprender y aceptar. Gracias por tu hermosa personalidad y tu trabajo, y gracias a esta hermosa y valiente invitada.
Yes..I relate to what you said. But I understand indoctrination. Even with your parents you are indoctrinated. I lived thru the 60’s and there was a non conformist attitude. So I was lucky I could break from old world ideologies. We could rebel, which I commend this woman was able to do with no support. I’m so sick of hearing, “let’s go back to the good ole days”. Which good ole days? What specifics were good? Each generation had good and bad and we wouldn’t have progressed if not for rebels and break aways.
After listening to pieces of the Coltharp case, listening to Cecis story made my stomach hurt. I'm so glad she got them back. I can't even imagine. I adore her accent as well. Listening to the Coltharp case, listening to THEM speak makes me so.... Shook. I didn't grow up in a cult. My parents became extreme baptist (speaking in tongues) when I was near adulthood so I saw HOLY SMOKES THIS IS A CULT. Just lay low until you can jump. Her Linda listen moment is perfect. YOU WERE JUST A BABY. Kids. Little kids. Betrothed. 💛 Keep going. Somebody cares. You got this.
I watched a video about it yesterday--tge thumbnail is one of the little girls asking, "Can't you just kill him?" when officers told her they had found her dad. Maybe if you Google the "knights of the Crystal Sword" or "John Coltharp" you'll find more info than you know what to do with. Hideous stuff!
I think it is super interesting that a lot of the women who come out of these cults speak very highly of the other women. They don't tend to bad mouth other women, even if they didn't get along with them (ie: Ceci and the first wife). I think that is interesting, and it might be worth exploring in a panel style discussion.
CeCe is a hero❤ she's brave and strong, so hard to get people out of Colts let alone children when you're the mother wow I could listen to her talk all day long
Considering how you were raised - and having limited access to resources, education, options … you were very brave to escape that cult … very courageous and at such a young age! Thanks for sharing your story! ❤❤
You are so brave! You did so much to save yourself and your children to have the best life possible. Truly inspiring! Wishing you all the love and happiness ❤
Ceci, Glad you are out and doing well. You seem like such a nice person who would be fun to be around. Thanks for sharing your story and perspective. I agree, lack of sex education is so so dangerous and can lead to abuse of the worst kind.
For the mainstream LDS I grew up near your guest in southern Utah and as far as my mainstream LDS wedding it was short and quick and I didn’t get to wear my dress for my wedding either. Just photos for an hour and a short reception that was during Joseph smiths 200 birthday celebration on tv so not many showed up from my ward anyway. Looking back I was dissociating in a bad way especially not being very old at 20. Sex Ed from my parents was non existent. My husband was kind but also naive. We figured things out and had a ton of kids. He’s still brainwashed and I’m out. Best of luck to everyone here❤
What a courageous inspirational women, without higher education, any knowledge of the world or wealth, yet still able to defeat the vile cult through sheer persistence and willpower. I hope and pray she and her children are now thriving ❤
I know the FLDS never intentionally inbred like the Kingstons, but a lot do look similar. Tiny population I guess. Shes so brave, its always amazing to hear of women who got out and saved their children as well. It has to be so much harder than a young person with no ties. Have you tried reaching out to Rachel Jeffs? Warren's daughter who got out with 6 kids when they said the sa allegations were fake, he had done it to her
11:18 and 14:12 -- as she is describing her childhood with the original wives and their children all co-existing peacefully, to another wife being taken 10-15 years after the first marriages- this sounds just like a “TLC Sister Wives” rehash. Kody also took another wife decades after his first wives, and her introduction into the family tore it apart. He also allowed the newest, youngest wife, to almost ‘take over’ and started showing her a favoritism and love that he no longer graced his original wives with. This new, younger wife, could say and do things the other wives could not. She was given preferred spot that significantly disrupted the lives of everyone else; and he expected his family to just deal with it and pipe down because this newest wife was presented as “the soul mate.” 🤨. Is it just me seeing this, here? Am I reaching for straws or does anyone else a similarly that is hard to adequately describe?
I love seeing people - women especially - leave these monstrous religions and never look back at them with any regret at all! No one on this earth needs to have those types of people and/or institutions in their life. You seem to be doing well and don't have that haunted look so many seem to have. You did the right thing. 🥰 Hopefully others will come to realize they don't deserve such toxic situations.
Ceci needs to Pat herself on the back and know that we don’t need a church and Jesus Christ lives within us. She was a child that was human trafficked and abused and she is so brave to have shared her story and I pray that she continues to get stronger and keeps growing in her knowledge as to what healthy relationships should be. God bless you all and Bravo!
@@heidimisfeldt5685 Well, they usually married underage girls. Widows and orphans were thrown on the streets to beg. Just because it was done in the old days, does not mean it was a great or ideal situation.
This was a great interview. I just found you. I hope you can see this. She is an amazing person. I think your questions, were right on point. Thank you. ❤
What an incredible, strong, beautiful, loving, kind and generous woman ~ Cesi is such an inspiration, she is so resourceful and it blows my mind that after all she went through she was able to find love 💗 it gives me hope 🙏 thank you Cesi, if you read this, for doing what you do and for being so loving and allowing yourself to be loved because that must have taken a lot of courage and bravery ~ your children are so lucky to have you and we are lucky to hear your story 💗🙏💗
38:19 I genuinely feel like some religious organizations keep things this way for this reason. Keep kids in the dark about their bodies and consent, right and wrong touch, etc, on purpose. They don’t want their kids being able to report. They don’t want their kids knowing these things are wrong. People are up in arms about teachers having curriculum around sex Ed and consent, but this is why we have it. Data shows that kids are not reporting because they don’t know how. We are trying to change that
My wife and I both enjoy and appreciate your podcasts and i nternet videos. Thank you so much. And thank you for being brave enough to stand up and speak truth to their presumed power.
I’m so glad as a species to see that there will always be one that questions, breaks away even if the odds are against you. It gives me hope that we are not all sheep. I remember being the “rebel” was a bad thing. But it’s the rebels that broke us away from harm or dissonance.
I’m so proud of you CeCe! You’re such a beautiful human. It’s heartwarming to see your same childhood sweet and spunky nature survived your “adventures”. ❤
Ok, now that I have watched this one, I will go on to the follow up video. I love this channel so much, but sometimes I need to choose my timing when listening to the survival stories. Bless you Shelise for creating this platform and using your strength to continue to make videos
❤ hugs and encouragement ❤ you are a spiritual warrior and a survivor, Ceci❤ I Love your Linda listen - you are bringing Truth to false power and shining bright❤
Great interview. Lends some insight into how things worked after Warren was put away. It's interesting that she was a non=member for a time and living in this kind of half-in, half-out space. I didn't know that was possible, especially for the women in this group. I really think he started breaking up families and separating mothers from children, because it's the most core bond a child has. If you can break the family unit, then the cult becomes like the child's family in their mind. I watched an interview with one of Jeff's younger daughters and she talks about not knowing who her mother was at first because she was shuffled around so much in her young life. This type of thing really sets them up to be able to kidnap kids like they are now. Following Ceci and her brand on IG now
@@CultstoConsciousness Ooh. I’m excited to find out more about it. I have seen some of the news coverage and watched some of Sam and Melissa’s videos on the situation. So I’ll definitely look out for your video.
This was a wonderful video. Very interesting, uplifting, and informative. So glad you both came out of theses situations for the better. Peace, joy and blessings to you both and your families.🎉❤
Did Ceci mention whether her mother was able to escape or whether she still has a relationship with her? Her emotion when speaking about her was really moving. (Says someone who had a narcissist abuser for a mother, seeing positive mother-daughter relationships makes me happy.)
You are a strong person who is opening the eyes of the world to all this that is hidden to us. I wish you every strength & love that you need. Keep the faith (not in religion) but that which is within yourself & know your own heart is the truth.
Preparing a 12 year old girl for polygamy is so repugnant.
Okay, here's a thought. I hope I can say it in a way that makes sense. Just because I wasn't on the Titanic doesn't mean that I can't understand fear, shock, panic,and grief. Our life circumstances are very different. Our feelings? Not so much. That's why your story is so important to us. You show us that we can start in a dark place and still build a life filled with light and love. Thank you for that.
Exactly, well said, trauma is trauma and there are no degrees of trauma from an individual perspective so many of us can learn and be inspired by Cesi even if we didn’t grow up in a cult 🙏💞🙏
Yes, you can understand fear, trauma, shock, panic and grief, but you can’t understand mine or Cesi’s, even if your experience was the same. You can imagine. A saying I deplore ‘I know how you feel’ because you don’t. I know you didn’t say that. These stories are important to us, but we can only imagine how it felt to live their experience. We can relate to trauma, but we can’t relate to Cesi’s trauma. We can have empathy for her. It is wonderful that she was able to build a life with new light and love. Everybody’s experience is their own.
Yes, I have watched quite a few of these shows about the FLDS members and the brainwashing and what it takes to start over and think differently and I always think how similar we all are. I know what it feels like to realize my community's ways are not my ways. I know how hard it is to break free and start over and learn to think more clearly for myself. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm just a regular gal from Pennsylvania who has started over many times and is thriving just like you ❤
@@deedawson6074 Truly, everyone's experience is their own. If it sounded as if I was trying to co-opt that then I expressed myself poorly. Each of us sees the world through a unique lens. Our path through and past our experiences must also be unique. But, I believe that our humanity is shared. I can stand with you and for you while still respecting your boundaries.
Couldn't have said is better. I will forever remember your story about the titanic. I always say I was in a red submarine and you in a yellow submarine....what I'm trying to say is both is pain but I cannot relate to your's cause I've never been in your shoe slots of love and huge hug. ❤
Here's to all the wild spirits who question everything and do not comply ✊🏻💖
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May it be so, and blessed be.
Yes 🙌🏽 it’s not always an easy path and I can say from experience that it can be lonely as well at times but it’s always worth it 🙏😍💓
I question almost everything and comply when it makes sense or is the right/best thing to do. Extra-Biblical rules are those most frequently abused in order to control others or acquire unlawful gain. For a time on my spiritual journey, I attended an Independent Baptist Church that I’d classify as a high control environment. Anyone who didn’t fit in with the 1950’s style white, American family was rarely accepted to join. Because they did do a lot of charitable work in the major city neighborhood as missionary outreach, there were many non-members who were welcomed--to a point! The longer I stayed, however, the more restricted I felt. I enrolled in their four month Bible Study and preparation for membership class. There was a lot of sexism to the point of ridiculousness. I recognize some of it here. The class was in the evening from 7:00-8:30, and a rule that women were not allowed out after dark without a man. As Summer turned to Fall, I was instructed not to drive to the church because a man would have to drive me home! At this time I was 34 years old, had a full time, professional job, had my own apartment, my own car, was self-supporting, and had been that way since age 18. I worked my way through both college and university. They were willing to look the other way, but just until they had found a husband for me! When I missed a class due to a business trip to Atlanta, the pastor was horrified that I’d flown into LaGuardia at night and went home on public transportation, ie. bus and subway. Any unescorted woman out at night was almost automatically a whore or asking for it.
Women weren’t allowed to engage in competitive sports or strenuous activities lest we be spoiled for childbearing. For that reason, the men and boys did all the carrying, lifting, “heavy” work at church functions. We weren’t allowed to carry folding chairs, for example. At first, I thought it was chivalry, until this one girl who was a student at NYU got yelled at by the pastor’s wife. We thought she was joking, but she wasn’t. Two of her young sons ran over and took the chairs. I recall the girl looking at me and asking, “Who does she think does it when we’re by ourselves?”
Then there was the clothing stuff, no uniforms like Amish or some of the Mormons, but dresses or skirts, only, and loose, prairie style dresses and jumpers were preferred to skirts and blouses. Business dresses or skirt suits were considered immodest because they were too form fitting, as in, you couldn’t wear them while pregnant without showing! Of course, women weren’t supposed to work outside of the home! A person like myself was supposed to live with her parents and help them if not married. Well, and if your parents are no longer living? Then you live with a male sibling’s family. I didn’t have a male sibling. The only sibling I had was shacked up with this guy who turned out to be wanted by the police in his country. I wasn’t invited and wouldn’t move in even I were!
Then I got to questioning actual doctrine. The pastor could not give me any better answer than, “Because I am the pastor and have a degree from Bible Baptist Seminary.” IOW, he had three years of post high school education, not even the equivalent of a Bachelor’s degree! When I got to asking questions about Church history, he knew virtually nothing! In fact, he didn’t know history, period!
Then there was his literal, Old Testament tithing requirement. I wasn’t a member and he wants everyone in the class to bring in a copy of the last year’s income tax! No way! That’s private information, besides, tithing was supposed to be on one’s honor according to the church by-laws. Apparently, tithing was at the honor of married, male, heads of families. For all others, the pastor and church board of directors determined the amount to tithe!
That was the final straw. During the class break, I gathered up my stuff, went to the restroom, and departed out the side door. I never went back. I heard nothing from anyone at all for about six months until I received a form letter in the mail that my application for membership had been denied, and that I was not to have contact with church members unless I was willing to publicly repent after first meeting with the pastor and elders. It was as close to being excommunicated as one could come without being a baptized member. About a week after receiving the letter, I was sitting in the Duane Reade pharmacy waiting area when the pastor’s wife came in followed by five of their kids. I stood up to greet her and give over my chair because it was obvious a new baby was soon to be added to their family. I had nothing against her personally. If she liked her religious life, that was fine with me. She’s the one that married her husband, not me! Much to my amazement, she turned pale as a ghost, grabbed two of the kids, hissing, “Stand back,” and addressing me, “Repent, you heretic!” And she half herded, half dragged the children out of the store! Her behavior was actually noticed and commented upon by New Yorkers! I just shrugged my shoulders, shook my head, and sat back down.
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Separating mother's and children is so cruel. :(
Keep telling CPS and DHS that.
That's custody divorce court too... Mothers had tender years from 1970-1990s
Still people like elton John and Paris Hilton , Who buy children by using women in Need of Money as incubators ,are celebrated .
I can’t imagine being separated from my children. My Mama Bear would definitely come out!
Tell hat to all social who exist only tp separate children grom mothers
It's a wonder that anyone is able to escape, considering everything that's stacked against them emotionally, mentally and physically. Kudos to those who accomplish that.
As the child for a parent who escaped a cult at a young age this story touched close to home. Especially the part where the children were forcefully taken away from their father as this happened to me as well... Honestly my main point is that I think you are an amazing mother and you are a strong woman!!
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The minute you said she’d escaped with her children I started tearing up. It’s so hard. What a strong brave woman!!
Right!! She is !! 🙏🙏😇 Jesus Blessed!! Her
@terrell6439 Just her? How unjust is that? Maybe it's best that your Jesus didn't exist at all if that's how they operate.
Sharing space with 4 other women is like your full time coworkers 24hours a day plus children. No escape at the end of shift
When they keep you dumbed down and controlled. You’re reluctant to leave. I’m so happy she got out
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
Polygamy IS DISGUSTING and when you involve children in that sort of dynamic, it's even worse!
The strength of the women surviving cults and ( men also) having the fortitude to leave them never ceases to impress.
She seems like such a amazing well rounded individual. I pray that her life continues to prosper.
Ceci! So good to hear your story! As a fellow XFLDS, this is helping me want to share my story! As an X-wife of WSJ, I've got a lot to say!! So glad to hear you are doing well! I'll definitely be checking out your Instagram!! Keep it up girl!!
Do it girl! 💪
Hi! We just interviewed Briell who was his 65th wife, which will come out next. Shoot me an email if you’re interested in sharing ❤️ cultstoconsciousness@gmail.com
Ceci, speaking your mind and giving your uncensored opinion on social media and wherever else IS NOT being a "bad girl". It is being YOU and you are good just the way you are!!!
I am 63 and find it refreshing someone is exposing the truth!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I cannot believe that she has a daughter who is 18! She looks like she is 18 herself.
Amazing woman. ❤
She prob had her first at 16/17
@@nowat4987she said she was 17 when she had her first child
She is 37 years old. There is a post on her Instagram site.
@@LeaSonnenscheinTriera mom at 19 that is so sad, didn’t get to even experience the world as a young adult!
*Ceci*
Firstly, congratulations on the growth and identity you've been able to reclaim and take charge of being out of the FLDS!! We can tell that you are such a good-natured, caring person.. so many people cannot achieve that even being born into 'typical' society. You are every ounce of strength and dedication that you and the children need/deserve. Being left to your own devices.. with ALL of the children like that... WOW. I can't imagine the stress/fear you must've harbored in these moments. But again, major props for taking things on and doing what needed to be done. Freedom is beautiful, let it ring loud.🖤
The hardships you've endured, emotional and otherwise, have clearly built you into such a strong woman. You and *Shelise* had a VERY important conversation regarding the lack of sex education that I just wanted to reiterate. *Keeping people 'obedient' and unaware of their own bodies is VERY destructive and breeds abuse. In being deprived of some of the most basic things, like identifying parts of your own body, these predators are practically feasting on children with their abuse..*
- Never stop speaking up and being loud about it. Our voices must stand for those who experience suppression of their own words. -
~Much love and support as always 🖤
*(Also, Shelise, the outfit is fire mama!! 👏🔥)*
Couldn’t agree more! And thank you🥰
My kids had a pop up anatomy book when they were toddlers. And we always used proper words for body parts.
Good for you!
It continually boggles my mind what your guests have bravely endured, Shelise. As I watch and listen to their interviews, I find myself cheering them on. 🎉 Ceci, you are a survivor! I am SO happy you have a wonderful husband now and that your precious children are with you. Congratulations to you! ❤ Shelise, you look absolutely stunning! You grow more and more beautiful every day! 😍
Thank you Debby! You’re so sweet. We all appreciate your support!❤️
Ceci, you are such a strong young lady. We’re so proud of you for getting not only yourself, but your children out too. God bless you and your family.
Wow, she doesn’t even realize that her ex-husband is a predator too. He didn’t care what happened to the three boys, allowed them to start with her parents (1:09:29) but kept it a secret that he had their girl. He did that because she has “trading value” within the cult. Too many boys and there aren’t enough girls to go around. But he kept close reigns on her daughter. Not to mention that he married her when she was 16 and he was 35/36 and then took on another three wives within the next 7/8 years who were all clearly even younger than she was at the time of his subsequent “marriages”.
As soon as she accepts that her husband is just as much of a predator as Warren Jeffs and his closest crew, the sooner she’ll understand why her husband tried so hard to get in good with them.
Off topic: Shelise, It's been nice watching you "grow" as your channel grows. You're gone from timid girl messing with her ipods all the time, to married, now pregnant, and bright, vibrant, happy, secure and as usual....a joy to watch. Keep doing you. I love your grace and beauty, inside and out. 🥰
" why didnt you just leave " BECAUSE I WAS 6
Ceci's pragmatism about her relationship with her ex husband about love v in love, wanting attention, being seen as interchangeable etc is something that really struck me. This is despite being in a forced marriage as a teenager. Ceci is a fighter, i can tell she can make the best of any tough situation. She deserves peace and freedom now for escaping the FLDS :)
It's braking my heart. Who'd ever think that after raising your children,someone tells you, you cant see them anymore. It's so sick for anyone to have had that much control
It’s Hitler attitude. It’s how we separated the parents and kids at the border attitude. It’s just wrong!
What a great interview. I’m fascinated by anyone who can go from a controlled environment then find their own wings as Ceci has. That’s the strength of spirit and intelligence. Continued blessings.
When I was 5 years old, my brother was conceived. My sister (2 years older than me) and I had questions, so our parents got us the book, Where Babies Come From. I remember the drawings were hilarious, though in hindsight there wasn't anything inaccurate in that book. Ten years later, I was SA'd by someone I had a crush on; definitions were just starting to shift on those subjects, & he didn't physically hurt me, but I knew what was happening & that it was not right. I can't imagine going through that with someone twice my age, who I sort of recognized, with no education or information about what to expect. Even if emotions aren't involved, it's such an intimate thing that not preparing you was just cruel. I hope he was at least considerate of you--and from what Shelise has taught me about purity culture he probably wasn't. Thank you for sharing that part of your life with us!
Shelise, I've said it before and I'll say it again - you're amazing! It is no wonder that your energy attracts and brings to the fore such extraordinary people as Ceci. Interviews like this are so uplifting. Thanks again.
The energy you emit is the energy you attract. That's how Shelise & Jonathan have built this amazing community, & how they attract such impressive people to their show.
You are so kind! Thank you!!
Thanks so much, Wendy!!@@wendychavez5348
I think your guest deserves an award for the hours she spent listening to Warren Jeffs drone on in tapes she had to listen to when she was trying so hard to be a "good girl." In light ofJeff's proven conduct, the requirements placed on her and so many others were way beyond ironic. I respect Cece for sharing her truth. ❤
He was MORE than twice her age!
Ceci is a resilient woman and it was a joy to hear her share her valor.
I am always impressed by the spirit of these women (and men) who have only what is inside of them as a person to guide them to something better. No one could imagine the strength it takes to stay and the strength it takes to leave any abusive situation. Amazing people. ❤️
CeCe: you're just refreshing to listen to. Despite everything you experienced, you exude positivity and confidence. I really enjoyed your episode!
I've never really stopped to think about it in these terms, but the purity culture in Mormonism absolutely put me in an unfair disadvantage when I went through CSA as i didn't know what was happening. I didn't have the words for it, & couldn't articulate it even begin to explain what was going on. I was 7 when it started 9 when it stopped only because we moved to another state. 12 when I started to understand 15 when I first told an adult. In my 30's when I had done enough healing not to be carrying anger, shame & sadness over the violation of my childhood. The individual who had done this from my understanding was an ex LDS member.
I’m so sorry to hear that. I do think the shame and non education surrounding purity culture play a large role in CSA. I hope you continue to find peace ❤️
So sorry..sounds like this is the perfect life for predators! Sickening
Thank you both for this interview. I am so glad guest is thriving now. 💐I would also like to compliment Shelise , your outfit is so stunning today ❤❤❤
Thank you!
The bravery this took. Im blown away. What an inspiration! Sending love and prayers to your healing journey and what the rest of your lives bring. Thank you for allowing us in to that part of your life.
Ceci, your brave, strong heart, mind and fortitude are so encouraging!!! Thank you for sharing so honestly.
what an outstanding young woman! She escaped a prison! Her heart, mind and soul told her something was wrong. Her motherly love rescued her children from the same fate.
I love you two so much, i come from a narcissistic family system and you inspire me to work on telling my story, without shame. Much love to you both❤
I’m so happy for Ceci - she is such a sweet soul. I’m also happy she found her passion in creating clothes for kids. You go girl! Love from Canada ❤🇨🇦🙏
Wow what a fighter! Sometimes the hardest part about being a mom is letting your kids grow up. By her letting her children know that they have choices and a voice that they can use even if they disagree with her, they can always speak up. That shows what an amazing mother she is. This stranger on the Internet is very proud of your progress. You are an inspiration to not only those that have been affected by cults or purity culture but to me, a single mom trying my best to raise my children right.❤
Ceci, you seem like such a kind, sweet soul! Thank you for sharing your story. Congratulations on your amazing journey and raising what sound like awesome kids.
Ceci, I'm so blessed to get to hear your testimony! I remember how outraged I was when the Warren Jeff's story was being unveiled through the media. I often wondered how the rest of the people recovered. I'm eternally grateful to hear that your family got out from under the FLDS control. I was hoping to hear about your current Biblical beliefs and was saddened that they were not included. Of course when I realized that you've only been out for six years I can completely understand that you may still have the spirituality aspect up in the air. I will pray for you, your husband and children so that you each have wonderful God moments while he continues to love you through your healing. I do genuinely pray that Jesus is more than real to you, not only in the spirit but in the flesh too. Thank you again for sharing your story. God bless you
This was amazing!! I'm a 40 year survivor of human trafficking so I could really relate. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm very proud of you! ❤️
Oh wow! I’m so sorry. You have a story❤
YES TO SEX EDUCATION! 🎉
I work in a family health clinic where we offer confidential reproductive services to people in need regardless of age, insurance, and income- reproductive health isn’t taboo, and talking about reproductive health doesn’t mean we are encouraging kids to have sex!! The numbers show that kids are having sex- we just want them to be having safe and consensual sex if they are!!
AMEN! Thank you for what you do!
@@CultstoConsciousness crying because I hope to someday have the impact that you and your channel has, in my community! Thanks for all you do Shelise and giving survivors a platform!
@@anjelikag I guarantee that you have a MUCH BIGGER impact than you even realize. Without this comment section (if we were audio only) I would have no idea. What you do is boots on the ground work that I wish I could do as well. Your job is so incredibly important and needed!
@@CultstoConsciousness you have the sweetest soul! Sometimes I don’t feel like I am not making a difference. I really needed to hear that.
Remember, whether you have your boots on the ground or having this platform, you are doing incredible work as well! As always thank you again for using your platform not just raising your voice but the voice of others! YOU ARE AMAZING!
Yes! We are so behind here in America. We stigmatize sex instead of educating. Normalize it. You’d be surprised as how much less young sex would be going on when these kids realize the outcomes and understand their bodies and their choices of who and what they will be doing with it.
I couldn’t imagine not being able to enjoy intimate acts with a partner except for baby making purposes…also I can’t even begin to imagine giving all of my life to this community, only to be kicked out and lose my entire family and home and job. I imagine that a lot of the people who experienced this either had a really hard adjustment period or died by suicide. It’s just absolutely heartbreaking.
I come from an Evangelical Christian background. I was adopted. The only thing I was told about sex was that I was to remain a Virgin until marriage. If I got pregnant I would give it up for adoption. That was my sex education. I gave birth to two children and didn't know I had "three holes" until I was in my 40 s when I got a severe yeast infection and took a mirror to myself. What a revelation!
Really sad.
Oh no I'm so sorry this has happened to you...
I'm not surprised that some parents are fine with this, but why did no friend of yours fill you in or just had these conversations with you? I would do that... it is so important to me that women around me know that they are normal and beautiful. More than one person has failed you.
It protects predators, teaching children how their bodies work and consent empowers children to speak out. Can't be having that in these groups
Omygosh
I was naive. Learned most everything from my peers. My friends mother put me on birth control.@@corneliahanimann2173
Thank you for sharing that. It's so frustrating that women are kept in the dark about their own anatomy for "their own (supposed) good"
Siendo alguien absolutamente atea, de crianza atea y con grandes criticismos al pensamiento religioso en general, estoy super agradecida por tu contenido. No solo ayudas a mostrar la realidad peligrosa del fanatismo en general lo cual comparto, si no que también me has enseñado a tener más tolerancia y empatía hacia las personas religiosas que desde fuera, al menos para mi, siempre me ha costado comprender y aceptar. Gracias por tu hermosa personalidad y tu trabajo, y gracias a esta hermosa y valiente invitada.
Gracias por todo!❤
Yes..I relate to what you said. But I understand indoctrination. Even with your parents you are indoctrinated. I lived thru the 60’s and there was a non conformist attitude. So I was lucky I could break from old world ideologies. We could rebel, which I commend this woman was able to do with no support. I’m so sick of hearing, “let’s go back to the good ole days”. Which good ole days? What specifics were good? Each generation had good and bad and we wouldn’t have progressed if not for rebels and break aways.
So criminal! My heart breaks for those families split apart, and for the child brides 💔
Look at that beautiful TH-cam plaque next to that killer rose quartz. 🤩 it’s just so nice to see you grow on your channel!
Your guest today is so likeable, as always your guests are such inspiring people having come out of abuse and control
After listening to pieces of the Coltharp case, listening to Cecis story made my stomach hurt. I'm so glad she got them back. I can't even imagine. I adore her accent as well.
Listening to the Coltharp case, listening to THEM speak makes me so.... Shook.
I didn't grow up in a cult. My parents became extreme baptist (speaking in tongues) when I was near adulthood so I saw HOLY SMOKES THIS IS A CULT. Just lay low until you can jump.
Her Linda listen moment is perfect.
YOU WERE JUST A BABY. Kids. Little kids. Betrothed.
💛 Keep going. Somebody cares. You got this.
I’m not familiar with the Coltharp case. Do you have a video recommendation about it? No problem if not!
@@Dreaming5 search: EWU Coltharp. I have to warn you. It's gut wrenching.
I watched a video about it yesterday--tge thumbnail is one of the little girls asking, "Can't you just kill him?" when officers told her they had found her dad. Maybe if you Google the "knights of the Crystal Sword" or "John Coltharp" you'll find more info than you know what to do with. Hideous stuff!
@@wendychavez5348it's on Explore with us. They really molded Scripture to give an excuse for being incest driven PDF files.
@@wendychavez5348 thank you! I don't think I have the stomach to dig farther. I'm at a curve in the rabbit hole and trying not to vom down the hole.
I think it is super interesting that a lot of the women who come out of these cults speak very highly of the other women. They don't tend to bad mouth other women, even if they didn't get along with them (ie: Ceci and the first wife). I think that is interesting, and it might be worth exploring in a panel style discussion.
They knew they were indoctrinated also
CeCe is a hero❤ she's brave and strong, so hard to get people out of Colts let alone children when you're the mother wow I could listen to her talk all day long
The baby bump is so cute! Congratulations!
Really great interview. I have so much respect for Ceci’s bravery, insight, and ambition. Wishing her all the best.
Considering how you were raised - and having limited access to resources, education, options … you were very brave to escape that cult … very courageous and at such a young age! Thanks for sharing your story! ❤❤
You are so brave! You did so much to save yourself and your children to have the best life possible. Truly inspiring! Wishing you all the love and happiness ❤
Ceci, Glad you are out and doing well. You seem like such a nice person who would be fun to be around. Thanks for sharing your story and perspective. I agree, lack of sex education is so so dangerous and can lead to abuse of the worst kind.
For the mainstream LDS I grew up near your guest in southern Utah and as far as my mainstream LDS wedding it was short and quick and I didn’t get to wear my dress for my wedding either. Just photos for an hour and a short reception that was during Joseph smiths 200 birthday celebration on tv so not many showed up from my ward anyway. Looking back I was dissociating in a bad way especially not being very old at 20. Sex Ed from my parents was non existent. My husband was kind but also naive. We figured things out and had a ton of kids. He’s still brainwashed and I’m out. Best of luck to everyone here❤
Excellent conversation and I am happy CC is doing well.
What a courageous inspirational women, without higher education, any knowledge of the world or wealth, yet still able to defeat the vile cult through sheer persistence and willpower. I hope and pray she and her children are now thriving ❤
I know the FLDS never intentionally inbred like the Kingstons, but a lot do look similar. Tiny population I guess. Shes so brave, its always amazing to hear of women who got out and saved their children as well. It has to be so much harder than a young person with no ties. Have you tried reaching out to Rachel Jeffs? Warren's daughter who got out with 6 kids when they said the sa allegations were fake, he had done it to her
FLDS , however, do allow cousin marriages.
@@lynnthomas5795Sure but its never an intentional thing right? More just multigeneration small community so most people are related in some way
Yes we have! We haven't heard back from her though.
I just hope her and her children get all the healing they need. I imagine it was all so hard and likely still is at times.
Immediately went and followed Pink Valor and Ceci!! Thank you for sharing your story and your strength!!
Amazing!
11:18 and 14:12 -- as she is describing her childhood with the original wives and their children all co-existing peacefully, to another wife being taken 10-15 years after the first marriages- this sounds just like a “TLC Sister Wives” rehash. Kody also took another wife decades after his first wives, and her introduction into the family tore it apart. He also allowed the newest, youngest wife, to almost ‘take over’ and started showing her a favoritism and love that he no longer graced his original wives with. This new, younger wife, could say and do things the other wives could not. She was given preferred spot that significantly disrupted the lives of everyone else; and he expected his family to just deal with it and pipe down because this newest wife was presented as “the soul mate.” 🤨. Is it just me seeing this, here? Am I reaching for straws or does anyone else a similarly that is hard to adequately describe?
I was thinking the exact thing. Sister Wives served as a great cautionary tale showing the detriment polygamy can have on women and their children
I love seeing people - women especially - leave these monstrous religions and never look back at them with any regret at all!
No one on this earth needs to have those types of people and/or institutions in their life.
You seem to be doing well and don't have that haunted look so many seem to have. You did the right thing. 🥰 Hopefully others will come to realize they don't deserve such toxic situations.
So proud of you Cici! You are a Rockstar mom, women, and inspiration! I pray you and your family have many blessings for eternity!!
Ceci, you have absolutely no reason to need to forgive yourself. You did nothing wrong. You've done so much right. God Bless!
Ceci needs to Pat herself on the back and know that we don’t need a church and Jesus Christ lives within us. She was a child that was human trafficked and abused and she is so brave to have shared her story and I pray that she continues to get stronger and keeps growing in her knowledge as to what healthy relationships should be. God bless you all and Bravo!
wow, I learn so much from your videos. Thank you for bringing these stories to us, Shelise.
Thanks for sharing!
These poor kids born into this it is not their fault, they are victims as well. Polygamy is meant to control women and is an excuse for adultery.
Back in the day polygamy was to be the way to look after the widows and their children, there was no welfare back then.
And pediophilia
@@heidimisfeldt5685Baloney. You don't have to MARRY (sleep with) a woman to take care of her. That's just an excuse for immorality.
@@heidimisfeldt5685 Well, they usually married underage girls. Widows and orphans were thrown on the streets to beg. Just because it was done in the old days, does not mean it was a great or ideal situation.
This was a great interview. I just found you. I hope you can see this. She is an amazing person. I think your questions, were right on point. Thank you. ❤
What an incredible, strong, beautiful, loving, kind and generous woman ~ Cesi is such an inspiration, she is so resourceful and it blows my mind that after all she went through she was able to find love 💗 it gives me hope 🙏 thank you Cesi, if you read this, for doing what you do and for being so loving and allowing yourself to be loved because that must have taken a lot of courage and bravery ~ your children are so lucky to have you and we are lucky to hear your story 💗🙏💗
38:19 I genuinely feel like some religious organizations keep things this way for this reason. Keep kids in the dark about their bodies and consent, right and wrong touch, etc, on purpose. They don’t want their kids being able to report. They don’t want their kids knowing these things are wrong.
People are up in arms about teachers having curriculum around sex Ed and consent, but this is why we have it. Data shows that kids are not reporting because they don’t know how. We are trying to change that
I agree
My wife and I both enjoy and appreciate your podcasts and i nternet videos. Thank you so much. And thank you for being brave enough to stand up and speak truth to their presumed power.
Wow, thank you!
The guest has an awesome energy!
What an amazing women. She is so kind and caring. Congratulations for breaking free and making the changes you wanted! Let your light shine
I've caught 2 of your videos before this one. Only now did I catch you were a podcast as well. Now I can listen on the go.
I’m sure it didn’t feel like it then, but he did her the BEST favor ever!
That's so sad, kids deserve so much better than these insane cults.
Such a beautiful conversation ladies❤🎉
I’m so glad as a species to see that there will always be one that questions, breaks away even if the odds are against you. It gives me hope that we are not all sheep. I remember being the “rebel” was a bad thing. But it’s the rebels that broke us away from harm or dissonance.
Thanks!
Polygamy is gross as it is. The thought of a 35 year old marrying a 16 year old girl is sick and criminal.
I’m so proud of you CeCe! You’re such a beautiful human. It’s heartwarming to see your same childhood sweet and spunky nature survived your “adventures”. ❤
Ceci, thank you for sharing your story. Because of you I'm gonna be brave & begin creating my shirt designs. I've held back to long.
You can do it!
More than twice your age!! That is so not ok. I'm sorry you went through this.
Ok, now that I have watched this one, I will go on to the follow up video. I love this channel so much, but sometimes I need to choose my timing when listening to the survival stories. Bless you Shelise for creating this platform and using your strength to continue to make videos
We totally understand that! Thank you for your support! ❤️
Another great episode Shelise.
Thank you for doing this.
❤ hugs and encouragement ❤ you are a spiritual warrior and a survivor, Ceci❤ I Love your Linda listen - you are bringing Truth to false power and shining bright❤
Your guest is so sweet and beautiful. She is so strong.
So heartbreaking we need to do more legally to stop this atrocity
To your guest its so important to share ....thank you 🎉
Great interview. Lends some insight into how things worked after Warren was put away. It's interesting that she was a non=member for a time and living in this kind of half-in, half-out space. I didn't know that was possible, especially for the women in this group. I really think he started breaking up families and separating mothers from children, because it's the most core bond a child has. If you can break the family unit, then the cult becomes like the child's family in their mind. I watched an interview with one of Jeff's younger daughters and she talks about not knowing who her mother was at first because she was shuffled around so much in her young life. This type of thing really sets them up to be able to kidnap kids like they are now. Following Ceci and her brand on IG now
We have a recent insider scoop into what Warren is doing NOW! Can’t wait to share! And thank you 😉
@@CultstoConsciousness Ooh. I’m excited to find out more about it. I have seen some of the news coverage and watched some of Sam and Melissa’s videos on the situation. So I’ll definitely look out for your video.
Very proud of Ceci! Following you now
This was a wonderful video. Very interesting, uplifting, and informative. So glad you both came out of theses situations for the better. Peace, joy and blessings to you both and your families.🎉❤
Did Ceci mention whether her mother was able to escape or whether she still has a relationship with her? Her emotion when speaking about her was really moving. (Says someone who had a narcissist abuser for a mother, seeing positive mother-daughter relationships makes me happy.)
You have done amazing 👏
You should be so proud of yourself. Happy that you are finally out and thriving 😊
You are a strong person who is opening the eyes of the world to all this that is hidden to us. I wish you every strength & love that you need. Keep the faith (not in religion) but that which is within yourself & know your own heart is the truth.