**content warning: mentions of SA and eating disorders/food restriction** Also, certain words have been censored for the reason of not triggering YT to put restrictions on this video. We want it to reach as many people as possible. Our plan is to go live with Liz in the next few days! Drop any questions you have for her. Thanks!
@@katiempojer Totally agree, people have had to go through this stuff and are being brave enough to speak about it and youtube won't even let them use the proper terms for things. And the video is already with a trigger warning at the beginning so people who don't want to don't have to watch
This happened to pop- up in my feed. Maybe because recently I was watching videos regarding the Mormons and the movie currently trending about OUR. Just wanted to say that I experienced this many years ago when I was a young mother in an abusive relationship. A group came to my door. We chatted talking scripture. We just stayed on the porch. They asked if they could come back and did several times. Finally they asked if I wanted to do Bible study. So they started coming and we started doing Bible study. What it took me a few months to realize was that they were Jehova Witnesses and that they had some very different beliefs then the traditional Christianity I was used to. But I continued to study with them for a few years. But I became so confused reading back and forth between my Good News Bible and ' their Bible. I finally realized I simply did not share their beliefs and did not want to convert. They dropped me then. Anyway, I understand that place of confusion and crying - out to God to give you understanding. Oh, one more thing. By the time I decided that the JW' s were a cult, I had also become utterly confused about my general beliefs due to going back and forth between bibles that I literally backed completely away from any thoughts about God and spirituality for ten years.
I had a therapist once tell me “if knowledge is power, critical thought is a nuclear weapon” when in a session discussing some of the things that I went through as a result of religious indoctrination
A lot of the TH-cam content I watch is by creators in the anti-MLM (multilevel marketing) movement. What struck me about this interview was how many of the aspects and tactics are also used to recruit and retain people in MLMs. Examples are: creating fake relationships with people on social media before trying to sell to them or get them to join as a sales rep, "love bombing" new members, those at the top have all the money, find out people's pain points and show them how joining your organization will solve that, don't question the leaders, etc. I could go on - MLMs are called "commercial cults" due to their practices.
Liz’s mom is incredible! I would love to hear from her (or other parents/family/friends) about when they recognized a loved one was in a cult, how they started to recognize the signs, overcoming the “I’m just an overprotective mom” thoughts, doing research to learn about the cult, finding resources for deprogramming, setting up interventions, and so on. She did SO MUCH behind the scenes for so long, and it must have been its own challenge in multiple ways.
I know when my sister went into a cult we tried for many years to get her out. She was not a dumb person she was really smart we even had a pastor of a church try to help I bet it was like beating our head against a brick wall she has been in the same Colt for 50 years she tried to recruit us but we didn't buy into the BS And what is young woman is saying it's true they Hound in and pound in their beliefs Days Inn and Day Out. In my sister's cult the men do everything and I think that's what she likes about it but we had so many people try her friends us to no avail right now she is in a home because she cannot take care of herself it is so sad she has cut me completely out of her life because I have lgbtq friends and I'm on a board and I have black friends and I was a single parent and blah blah blah it's so very sad
I saw Liz on 60 minutes Australia a week or so ago. The Cult Next Door. As the mother of a daughter with an ED for 6 years, I cannot imagine the strength it took for Liz's Mum to hang in there and get her the right help. We live in New Zealand and it's hard enough to get psychologists who are trained to deal with eating disorders, let alone being in a cult. That's a double whammy of trauma.
The lying about what the group is and flat out denying the truth is an old, old Moonie tactic. They tried it on me in the early 80's, but fortunately I knew about the Moonies and recognized the leader from his picture. They had approached me at a mall, told me they were an international student group and invited me to see an international film. I left my car and got in their van after being promised they'd bring me back after. Fortunately the house they took me to was about two blocks from my own house. I knew exactly where I was, I knew exactly who the Moonies were, and still their psychological tactics were so sophisticated that if I'd been off on my own out of reach of the familiar I'm sure I would have succumbed to their brainwashing techniques. They are SO clever at using our social instincts and urge to be polite against us that I found it VERY hard to confront them and demand they take me back to the mall. And their reaction was so kind and bewildered, they told me that they hadn't MEANT to mislead me at all. After all, I could see the leader's picture- obviously they weren't TRYING to hide who they were. I felt really guilty for 'interrupting' them as they were trying to fix us dinner. (No further mention of a film.) Totally blew past the fact that they'd lied to get me there and directly told me it was NOTHING to do with religion. But because I knew I could just walk home I was able to insist they take me back to the mall- and they did. It's really scary - and a good lesson in humility to realize that we're not invulnerable.
Wow! That’s terrifying. I’m so glad you saw through that! And this is exactly why we want to expose these groups, so people can react the same way you did and understand what’s happening to avoid getting sucked in when possible. Thanks for sharing!
Yes. I had the same but I asked to meet at a coffer shop. They said they were like an international support group for expats and it was fine for about a month then suddenly they told me I needed to meet their friend who could help me and maybe she wasn't properly briefed on my status of cautiously making friends but she went all in on the religion as if it was perfectly normal. Super freaky. I was triggered and ran out. Met too many in university and afterwards as well.
Break the silence. Break the tape seals of the vocal cords. Scream, yell, holler, until they world hears you and advocate for all people like you. Great one!
It truly repulses me that we cannot say rape or sexual assault on TH-cam because they say it will offend people. Um the word rape and sexual assault should be offensive to us,because the act is offensive. Call it out, say it loud. It is what it is if listening ears are repulsed they are supposed to be.
I don’t know if it’s because of the offensiveness or because of the bots that are constantly scanning videos to see which are offensive. They won’t be able to differentiate between which ones are talking about rape or murder with horror and which ones are talking about it in gleeful way.
So it's not because it could offend some people, It's because some people who have suffered those things. Just seeing the word or hearing the word can set them off. It took me a long time to be able to see and hear the word rape and without physically being ill because of what happened to me.
I absolutely love love this channel, as a young person it’s so enlightening to see and hear all of these stories of these amazing people, thank you for the work you do!
In college two girls who were in this cult tried to get me in by offering to tutor me and when I went to meet them so they can help me study, they had a whole initiation ceremony ready for me. It felt like it was a trap and I ran out of there. Years later I found out it was this cult cuz I remember them showing me a pic of their “leader” and it was the dude from this cult. Now looking back, the times that they tutor me before they were so nice but afterwards they always had to teach me about the Bible and talk about the leader and showed me a pic , but they never revealed his name. When I would ask his name they said I wasn’t ready to get that info. I thought they were weird, but I was nice cuz they were helping me with my math finals and I actually did like them cuz they were nice. It’s crazy to think I was approached and I played nice with them cuz I wanted a study group so bad. I’m not gonna lie I was sad after cuz they were so nice and kind and friendly and I felt like I had lost two potential best friends. Now I wonder if they really did like me or they were just recruiting me
its their tactic. Its called lovebombing. The moment youre inside the cult that kindness will evaporated. 😂 And when you get out of it, youre not their friend anymore.
They are all over South Korea, the culture has a very group mentality. the SK government is really starting to punish these people to the extreme. My good friend taught in South Korea for many years loved it there. But he could not believe the crazy bible stuff many fell for.
This interview is so good! I love the way sensitive topics were handled and I have so much admiration for these 2 ladies who are willing to speak about their experiences. I pray for your healing and happiness
I’ve been hoping you’d talk to someone from the JMS cult ever since I watch the documentary on Netflix. Liz, you’re so brave for coming forward and sharing your story, and please give your amazing and wonderful mother a giant hug from me!
@@CultstoConsciousness that’s awesome! I got so sick hearing that he reached into my homeland (Taiwan), and I recognized the article shown on the documentary from when my parents read about it back then!
This is inspiring to me. I was groomed for years when I was young and was able to get away from the situation before anything physical happened. It was not a cult situation but the people involved had very similar characters/tactics. Liz gives me hope that ill be on the other side of my trauma someday.
We also had to come to terms with something painfully similar, you will come out on top. It'll take time but you have the strength within you to overcome your trauma. You are more than a collection of bad things that have happened to you, you are infinitely more than just a victim. If you have the desire to overcome, you will. You've got this. -Altair and Nexus of the Syzygy System
This ep deserves some sort of award. It was such a great episode. All the emotions and y’all have such great flow and chemistry. Tysm for the re upload, I learned so much.
I studied in Seoul for about a year and a half pre and post-covid and I think I was approached by cult members maybe 3-4 times? Most times I was alone and near/on campus and once while I was with my mom while she was visiting. This happens all the time but i'm glad I didn't follow through with anything. So scary.
ironically before I left for Korea (I grew up in an american evangelical megachurch for reference) my old church pastor was telling me how "the biggest church is in Korea" (referring to the moonies) and he was trying to encourage me to maybe attend/try to stay involved in a church while i was gone (i didn't lol). i had no idea until way later that they were THAT cult and I'm glad I stayed as far as possible😭
It disappeared while I was watching too but I guess my computer pre downloaded enough of the video that I was able to still watch the whole thing. I already started watching the Netflix documentary, it's horrifying.
So sorry about that! Haha had to make some adjustments so it didn’t have a bunch of restrictions on it. The reach was being severely affected and we want the most people as possible to see it
I had wondered whether being raised Pentecostal or any dogmatic religion that reject independent thinking can make one more prone to being indoctrinated by a cult or other dogmatic religion. I think Liz’s reflection on Bible college helps answer that question. I was brought up as Anglican and we were encouraged to use critical thinking in our church. My takeaway from this is that regardless of having faith or not having faith, we must raise our children to use critical thinking and think for themselves. So glad you survived that awful experience Liz.
I was raised in a Pentecostal church and I wasn’t brainwashed and definitely wasn’t told not to question things. I think there are extremists in all denominations. I’ve seen people in the Catholic faith who are extreme and display some cultish tendencies, and I’ve also seen some baptists fundamentalists who were also in a different type of cult. There are plenty out of mainstream Christianity as well who are susceptible to this kind of brainwashing.
I once nearly joined a very cultish form of Islam (they were clearly recruiting white women to marry them off to Asian men), every white woman that I'd met there had been raised in a fundamentalist form of Christianity and/or had a history with some form of domestic abuse. There's definitely a link.
I'm a devout Christian who was raised to use logic. I was taught how historians' writings, archeological finds, eye-witness accounts, logic, etc all point to Jesus being the Truth. My dad's a mathematician who got a master's in chaos theory. I was raised on things like design inference. My dad was sucked into a cult, and he was an atheist growing up.
I watched this yesterday and then couldn't find it in the evening to show my husband😮 I'm so glad it's back!!!❤ Thank you for showing tough topics such as these. You are truly helping bring awareness to the evils of this world❤
At the part where her mother hugged her and begged her to come back, I had to pause the video to compose myself. I've listened to a lot of these videos but it was this one that really got to me, perhaps because I was so close with my own mum before she passed. Liz's mother sounds like a wonderful woman, so glad she was able to help. Also love that Liz is studying psychology! That's actually why I'm so interested in cults despite never having been in one; the human mind is a fascinating thing.
Thank you both for being so open and shedding light on this subject. Cults can be incredibly powerful and it's so easy to get caught in one if they catch you when you're vulnerable (contrary to popular belief). I'm so glad you're both out! Sending a lot of virtual love 💜
Kudos to Liz and her Mom for having the courage to fight against this malevolent force. Again, this highlights just how dangerous and destructive these cults, and essentially all religions, are. Much damage has been done in the guise of holiness.
I want to sign my name under your comment! 🌟 I deconstructed my religious fanaticism completely alone after more than 30 years inside a highly abusive, misogynist, purity- and femicide based religion and I am still afraid and not able to speak openly about it, because they punish heresy with death. Faith in a superior being fills the most essential, core human need for love, safety, meaning and belonging, but there are aways people who manage to convince us that following our intuition and listening to our heart is a deadly mistake and that there must be a mediator between us and the divine - which is, of course, them! 🙄 (almost always older men who want control and sex!🤷🏽♀️) I have been religion free for six years now and I went through hell many times, until I could find some peace of mind and a reason for existence without having random men with beards telling me what my rights, my body, my destiny, my duties, my inherent gender limitations and my very essence are! In 21st century!! 🤬
@@gaiagreen2690 Your story (all too familiar)breaks my heart. I hope you can finally enjoy the peace and happiness that freedom from religion can bring. It's a dangerous and insidious myth designed to keep us (especially women)fearful and compliant. The world would be such a better place, imo, without the many negative and destructive influences religion has on our lives daily. How it permeates our government, justice system, education, et al makes my blood boil. Only good things for you looking forward.
The documentary Liz was in -- "In the Name of God: A Holy Betrayal" is super eye-opening and also interviewed other victims. It's nice to see at least one channel covering cults that are not in western countries as its important that all cults need to be brought to the world's attention just the same. Thank you Liz for continuing to speak up.
This girl is extremely lucky an thankful her family was 100% behind her in getting her back. What a truly amazing story. This is just so inspiring and heart felt. Wishing nothing but the best for her an her awesome family.
I’m also Australian and remember having random people messaging me saying we went to the same uni and that I should join their bible study group. This was on at least 3 occasions. I ignored them all as I wasn’t interested but it was a little close to home when news broke about it being a massive worldwide cult.
Wow! I wasn’t sure at first that I was ready to hear this story, Shelise - hearing how such an evil man could continue abusing women while IN PRISON infuriated me. Thank you Liz for sharing your story despite the negative and potentially dangerous consequences. You will be an excellent de-programmer!!
This was completely riveting. I especially appreciated the brief explanation about how the deprogramming was accomplished. I would like to know more about how to do it because I think we all probably know someone caught in a cult, and would love to be able to help them. Right now in the usa, it's sort of a mass delusion thing going on....we need more psychologists who understand cults to brief the Congress!
I have never been in a religion or cult, but as an abuse survivor this hits hard.. no f.o.g. I am going to try and remember that, thank you! I hope you find kindness on your journey. ❤
I've been working my way through all your video's and am almost near the end (just got the biggest takeaways video left). This was the first time I had to take a break partway through the video. The part where she mentioned her Mum hugging her tightly brought me to tears. The level of strength and endurance that her Mum showed throughout the situation was incredible.
Wow! Thanks for watching! I appreciate your support. I know, so so so hard. Some episodes hit me harder than others. I take lots of breaks to stretch and breathe during long editing sessions.
Thank you so much Liz for sharing your story, and thank you to Liz' mom for saving her!!! Incredible!!! This was a particularly devastating story. Liz you are amazing and it is so inspiring that you are studying to go on to help others!
This took so much courage and vulnerability and I am so grateful for the fact that you had the strength to do this, it was so enlightening and it is so important to know.
As well as the Kingdom Light Congregation/The Church of Jesus Christ here in the Philippines, whose leader (Apollo C. Quiboloy/ACQ), is a wanted criminal in the U.S. - in the FBI's wanted list.
What an amazing story! Liz and her mom are a force of nature. The work Channels like yours are doing are absolutely necessary in this time of “awakening” or awareness of mental abuse, because people are just realising not only that high control groups are more common than we think, but also that narcisistic abuse IS a thing, unfortunately, and that it is happening in relationships, family and work enviroment. Great content!!
It would very educational and helpful to have a psychologist or cult expert on, to discuss the level of brainwashing that occurs, and why it works exceptional well on vulnerable individuals. We have many studies describing the processes of brainwashing. Continue your efforts to address this very important topic.
She is an AMAZING speaker! This was a beautiful episode. Crying with her mom coming to her rescue. I wish jer every success with her studies - much love ❤️ thank you for this podcast
It is my personal opinion that anyone who claims to be or speak for God, is a liar & manipulator. And usually, women are abused (and children). A coincidence? I think not. My heart goes out to all of us. Between dangerous politics & religions, I fear for us little humans....
I have been so impressed with ALL of your content, but this episode was truly SO impactful. Thank you both for you bravery, honesty, and transparency so the world can see how this could happen to anyone!!
My best friend has been trying to tell me for years that I was part of a cult and I still don't believe it, but I'm less sure it wasn't after watching your videos.
Being told one is in a cult is quite scary, usually not very helpful and can tend to make us dig in our heals and doubt outside information instead of doubting the group we are in. We are not bad or wrong if and when we find out we've been tricked and fed information that is not for our greater well being. We are not bad or wrong for wanting connection, for wanting or even craving a feeling of belonging and being part of something special and important. I found getting out of the cult I was born into and being free to investigate, to really find out what happened to me, is less scary than staying in with people and a leader(s) who ultimately are out for their own agenda. There is a lot of helpful information from channels like this, they helped me a lot.
Truth will always stand up to scrutiny so research whatever group you are in, if it's true that shouldn't be at all an issue as there will be nothing which needs hiding.
Watching all of the stories on your channels make me glad that my Episcopal priest allowed us to ask questions for which he did not always have a biblical answer. My godsister and I were constantly questioning things that didn’t make sense when merging science and the Bible. I imagine that’s why we’re both atheists today, though I think my journey there took longer than hers. I can empathize with you and your guests about there journeys out of cults. It takes a lot of courage and strength to let go of everything you have been taught is real to jump into a secular world that is so unfamiliar. Even though your channel is about deconstructing from cults, I believe we all have things in our lives that need deconstruction. This channel has helped me see things in my life thatI didn’t realize were holding me back.
Only found your channel yesterday and I am so impressed. You have a great variety of guests with many interesting stories on all sorts of subjects, well done
Its crazy how many cult leaders claim to be celibate, holy monks yet are caught orchestrsting this inner harem within their cult. Not only that, but the amount of women conditioned to remain very skinny and sleep-deprived is anything but strategic. Reminds me of NXIVM.
Every episode I watch on this channel not only inspires me and give me the words to help me to deconstruct the cult stuff I've been through, but also it may just be the thing that gives me the courage to tell my story publicly.
This one got to me even more than all the others because I could see myself in so many things she was saying! I so wish that things like this channel would have existed when I got out of the group I was in 28 years ago! People didn’t even have a clue about sect or gnosis back in those days, I had a long way to recovery and absolutely no one to talk to about it because no one could understand. I am so proud of both of you for speaking up and dedicating your lives to helping people get better after being through all of that! Sending both of you lots of love!
You are both so inspiring. Schools should add talks like yours to the curriculum. Young adolescents should be prepared to look out for cults like this.
We actually did talk about different cults in school in Germany, as we also have sience based sex ad. I’m not sure if the numbers in Europe are somehow different as somewere else
"All your critical thinking comes online almost in an instant." Love that. So true. Took me a few days to make it through this, but so captivating. I can't imagine a three-day deprogramming. That dazed feeling she felt I felt, too, but I'm sure it was soooo much more for her in such rapid-fire.
I'm super hooked on this channel, I think I've maybe listened to three episodes today, while I'm doing other things at home. Maybe I start out of curiosity, but I stay because of the inspiration of what these wonderful people do today, thank you very much
This conversation took me back to several religious experiences I have had in different denominations through my journey with Christianity. I can identify with the techniques and the feelings they bring forth. It's a manipulation game and many of us do fall for it. I'm thankful Liz was able to break out of the manipulation and brainwashing. Linda listen moment... you gotta listen to your intuition and your mom!
Im so glad you mentioned that the missionaries are kids within the LDS, and that they do truly believe that they are helping people. My family converted when i was young, and i have seen firsthand the belief of those teens, they are really meaning to do good, and be kind. I am an ExMo, but to this day i will stop and ask missionaries if they need anything, i will donate cases of water, whatever they need,any way i can help those kids because they are really good kids who mean well.
You both had such a great banter with one another! ❤️ Thank you for telling your story, Liz. I’m so glad you got out and are turning your experience into something that will help others. Also, your mom... rock star 💪
I had only planned to listen to a little of this, but found it so interesting that I watched the entire thing. I learned something that I had not heard before. These cults can represent YOUR religion and then slowly twist and change things. I'd always thought that they were distinctly different and wondered how people fell for that. I am seeing this with a relative and luckily she is seeing it, too. She has attended a new "Catholic" church and has liked it because the service has been the old fashioned formal service before wording and translation changed some of the prayers, etc. She mentioned recently that three things have happened that she didn't like: The minister told them they would no longer bow to the cross as it entered the church, but bow to the priest as he is the representative of God; that wearing red and green at Christmas was against the bible; and that Easter was not the same as they had always learned. My reply was, "What?! This sounds like a cult!" She said she had been thinking that. I also said, "If they ever mention the "Umbrella of Authority" to RUN!!" (That is from the IBLP and has filtered into many religions.) I said it sounded like they were going in a fundamental direction and that is not all bad unless the human who is interpreting the bible is changing things to fit their own needs. She agreed. I said she must find a new church or return to the traditional Catholic church. I'm very concerned about what I've seen happening to many people I know who are listening to some of these false prophets and doing things that make me wonder if they are ok. It is scary that they can masquerade as people from our own religions. People must not depend on others to interpret the bible for them. They must do that themselves.
You would be better served to free yourselves from any and all religion. It's all man-made and manufactured to keep us fearful and compliant. It's not easy to shed because it's so deeply ingrained, but life is so much better if you can.
Liz thank you so much! Im sorry for all you went through and how you were treated, i cried during this interview. Youre so compassionate and so brave. And as always thanks to salise for always being kind and compassionate and brave as well. I love this channel 🫶
This episode so clearly demonstrated that intelligence is no barrier to being recruited into a cult. Here are two extraordinary and articulate women showing us that we are all vulnerable. And OMG I love Liz’s Mum - unconditional love and courage all round.
I've been binge watching a lot of the Cults to Consciousness content lately, and as an Australian, this one hit home in the fact that it is a situation where it just takes the right headspace, the right timing, and anyone can fall into a cult and that it isn't just an American issue like the media wants to make out. I just wanted to add to the conversation and say that in particular, the Linda Listen moment here hit like a freight train in the realisation that this applies to more than just religion - it applies to so many organisations and structures in society. In particular, it applies to sporting bodies, with exactly how high demand and abusive they are increasingly coming to light in recent years (gymnastics, ice skating and cheerleading being three major ones that I'm personally invested in but they're far from the only ones that have had this happen recently on a global scale), where those at the top of these sports have worked very hard to curate closed door cultures with a large amount of gatekeeping information, demonising any doubt or questions against the information given to you by the coaches/owners/board members with those who ask questions being punished/outcast. It's like I just had a bucket of ice water dumped over me, especially as a parent whose child is especially vulnerable in this way. Know that the work you're doing is important and doesn't just apply to religions or cults, but it's valuable insights and information that applies across the board and these things are so so important to say and educate on.
Thanks so much for sharing that! I’m happy it’s helpful. We agree that once Cult patterning is established it’s easier to spot in daily life. Thanks for watching!
Even though the theme of the video is awful, I enjoyed really much being able to listen to two amazing, kind and beautiful women talking about regaining confidence and self trust! Can we have another video with Liz? Please, Shelise! I love your channel. Thank you for the work you are doing and for sharing it with us
❤😢 I feel like Liz, and many of your guests, are reliving the trauma as they tell their stories and Liz really you are so brave I could really feel you struggling at times. I wish you the absolute best. 🎉Favorite channel wow!
Shelise you are so wonderful and understanding. Watching you on your channel I can feel your empathy and it is so warming. The guest that you talk to must feel so listened to. It is also very informative and interesting watching your channel. Thank you for covering all these cases. X
Thank you both! I know people in the NAR evangelical cult, and some in Jesus Christians (A Voice in the Desert) - all Australians. It is awesome to hear from a young Australian woman who can talk straight talk in a way that is so relatable. And how awesome is your Mum!
Thank you for the time stamps, I love listening but some times need to skip a part of two. One more thing, I would LOVE to hear this story from the mother!!
**content warning: mentions of SA and eating disorders/food restriction** Also, certain words have been censored for the reason of not triggering YT to put restrictions on this video. We want it to reach as many people as possible.
Our plan is to go live with Liz in the next few days! Drop any questions you have for her. Thanks!
I cannot stand how youtube censors normal words that add to the story and experience.
@@katiempojer Totally agree, people have had to go through this stuff and are being brave enough to speak about it and youtube won't even let them use the proper terms for things. And the video is already with a trigger warning at the beginning so people who don't want to don't have to watch
I'll def listen on the podcast. The censoring is annoying - I keep rewinding thinking my audio is messing up. LOL.
This happened to pop- up in my feed. Maybe because recently I was watching videos regarding the Mormons and the movie currently trending about OUR. Just wanted to say that I experienced this many years ago when I was a young mother in an abusive relationship. A group came to my door. We chatted talking scripture. We just stayed on the porch. They asked if they could come back and did several times. Finally they asked if I wanted to do Bible study. So they started coming and we started doing Bible study. What it took me a few months to realize was that they were Jehova Witnesses and that they had some very different beliefs then the traditional Christianity I was used to. But I continued to study with them for a few years. But I became so confused reading back and forth between my Good News Bible and ' their Bible. I finally realized I simply did not share their beliefs and did not want to convert. They dropped me then. Anyway, I understand that place of confusion and crying - out to God to give you understanding. Oh, one more thing. By the time I decided that the JW' s were a cult, I had also become utterly confused about my general beliefs due to going back and forth between bibles that I literally backed completely away from any thoughts about God and spirituality for ten years.
Thank you for another amazing episode
I had a therapist once tell me “if knowledge is power, critical thought is a nuclear weapon” when in a session discussing some of the things that I went through as a result of religious indoctrination
Oooh that’s awesome!
That is a great statement I love that❤ I hope you are well and healing
Immagine people who don't have parents to support them 😔
It’s true and many people aren’t born with that skill… that’s the scary ass part of it. Stay curious… stay righteous.
I love that! Thank you for sharing!
A lot of the TH-cam content I watch is by creators in the anti-MLM (multilevel marketing) movement. What struck me about this interview was how many of the aspects and tactics are also used to recruit and retain people in MLMs. Examples are: creating fake relationships with people on social media before trying to sell to them or get them to join as a sales rep, "love bombing" new members, those at the top have all the money, find out people's pain points and show them how joining your organization will solve that, don't question the leaders, etc. I could go on - MLMs are called "commercial cults" due to their practices.
100 percent!! A while back we did an episode one MLMs specifically!
Liz’s mom is incredible! I would love to hear from her (or other parents/family/friends) about when they recognized a loved one was in a cult, how they started to recognize the signs, overcoming the “I’m just an overprotective mom” thoughts, doing research to learn about the cult, finding resources for deprogramming, setting up interventions, and so on. She did SO MUCH behind the scenes for so long, and it must have been its own challenge in multiple ways.
A lot of parents are in the cult too
I would love to hear from some parents of people who were in cults and their experiences dealing with helping their kids get out
Or children helping their parents please
Yes to both of these!!
She goes into many videos describing this.
A lot of the parents are in the cults
I know when my sister went into a cult we tried for many years to get her out. She was not a dumb person she was really smart we even had a pastor of a church try to help I bet it was like beating our head against a brick wall she has been in the same Colt for 50 years she tried to recruit us but we didn't buy into the BS
And what is young woman is saying it's true they Hound in and pound in their beliefs Days Inn and Day Out. In my sister's cult the men do everything and I think that's what she likes about it but we had so many people try her friends us to no avail right now she is in a home because she cannot take care of herself it is so sad she has cut me completely out of her life because I have lgbtq friends and I'm on a board and I have black friends and I was a single parent and blah blah blah it's so very sad
I saw Liz on 60 minutes Australia a week or so ago. The Cult Next Door. As the mother of a daughter with an ED for 6 years, I cannot imagine the strength it took for Liz's Mum to hang in there and get her the right help. We live in New Zealand and it's hard enough to get psychologists who are trained to deal with eating disorders, let alone being in a cult. That's a double whammy of trauma.
I watched the documentary the cult next door, it was NUTS!
The lying about what the group is and flat out denying the truth is an old, old Moonie tactic. They tried it on me in the early 80's, but fortunately I knew about the Moonies and recognized the leader from his picture. They had approached me at a mall, told me they were an international student group and invited me to see an international film. I left my car and got in their van after being promised they'd bring me back after. Fortunately the house they took me to was about two blocks from my own house. I knew exactly where I was, I knew exactly who the Moonies were, and still their psychological tactics were so sophisticated that if I'd been off on my own out of reach of the familiar I'm sure I would have succumbed to their brainwashing techniques. They are SO clever at using our social instincts and urge to be polite against us that I found it VERY hard to confront them and demand they take me back to the mall. And their reaction was so kind and bewildered, they told me that they hadn't MEANT to mislead me at all. After all, I could see the leader's picture- obviously they weren't TRYING to hide who they were. I felt really guilty for 'interrupting' them as they were trying to fix us dinner. (No further mention of a film.) Totally blew past the fact that they'd lied to get me there and directly told me it was NOTHING to do with religion. But because I knew I could just walk home I was able to insist they take me back to the mall- and they did. It's really scary - and a good lesson in humility to realize that we're not invulnerable.
Wow! That’s terrifying. I’m so glad you saw through that! And this is exactly why we want to expose these groups, so people can react the same way you did and understand what’s happening to avoid getting sucked in when possible. Thanks for sharing!
Oh my day. I had a friend who joined his group, no one has ever heard from her. Sad.
@@CultstoConsciousnessI believe they are still operating in Arizona. So much bizarre stuff going on just below the surface.
That is so scary!
Yes. I had the same but I asked to meet at a coffer shop. They said they were like an international support group for expats and it was fine for about a month then suddenly they told me I needed to meet their friend who could help me and maybe she wasn't properly briefed on my status of cautiously making friends but she went all in on the religion as if it was perfectly normal. Super freaky. I was triggered and ran out. Met too many in university and afterwards as well.
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
Was going to comment, but this should stay up here.
Yes!
THIS
Break the silence. Break the tape seals of the vocal cords. Scream, yell, holler, until they world hears you and advocate for all people like you. Great one!
This is one of my fave episodes yet! She is incredible and so wellspoken and smart.
Isn’t she amazing?! I loved it. Hard, hard, subject matter. Beautiful person.
It truly repulses me that we cannot say rape or sexual assault on TH-cam because they say it will offend people. Um the word rape and sexual assault should be offensive to us,because the act is offensive. Call it out, say it loud. It is what it is if listening ears are repulsed they are supposed to be.
I hear you!
I don’t know if it’s because of the offensiveness or because of the bots that are constantly scanning videos to see which are offensive. They won’t be able to differentiate between which ones are talking about rape or murder with horror and which ones are talking about it in gleeful way.
So it's not because it could offend some people, It's because some people who have suffered those things. Just seeing the word or hearing the word can set them off. It took me a long time to be able to see and hear the word rape and without physically being ill because of what happened to me.
I think it’s because people will use it in a vulgar way
I absolutely love love this channel, as a young person it’s so enlightening to see and hear all of these stories of these amazing people, thank you for the work you do!
Thank you so much! I’m so happy you’re enjoying it and your support means a lot to me and the guests!
In college two girls who were in this cult tried to get me in by offering to tutor me and when I went to meet them so they can help me study, they had a whole initiation ceremony ready for me. It felt like it was a trap and I ran out of there. Years later I found out it was this cult cuz I remember them showing me a pic of their “leader” and it was the dude from this cult. Now looking back, the times that they tutor me before they were so nice but afterwards they always had to teach me about the Bible and talk about the leader and showed me a pic , but they never revealed his name. When I would ask his name they said I wasn’t ready to get that info. I thought they were weird, but I was nice cuz they were helping me with my math finals and I actually did like them cuz they were nice. It’s crazy to think I was approached and I played nice with them cuz I wanted a study group so bad. I’m not gonna lie I was sad after cuz they were so nice and kind and friendly and I felt like I had lost two potential best friends. Now I wonder if they really did like me or they were just recruiting me
its their tactic. Its called lovebombing. The moment youre inside the cult that kindness will evaporated. 😂 And when you get out of it, youre not their friend anymore.
I knew nothing about this cult. This was very disturbing. I am glad that your guest is doing good, thank you!❤
Thanks for your support!
They are all over South Korea, the culture has a very group mentality. the SK government is really starting to punish these people to the extreme. My good friend taught in South Korea for many years loved it there. But he could not believe the crazy bible stuff many fell for.
Any religion or group that scares you into not questioning things is so wrong and damaging
So glad this was reposted! I was so sad to see it removed in the middle of watching, thank you for all your hard work and amazing guests!!
Sorry about that! Had to make some adjustments so YT didn’t restrict its reach. Thanks for watching!
This interview is so good! I love the way sensitive topics were handled and I have so much admiration for these 2 ladies who are willing to speak about their experiences. I pray for your healing and happiness
Thank you!
I’ve been hoping you’d talk to someone from the JMS cult ever since I watch the documentary on Netflix. Liz, you’re so brave for coming forward and sharing your story, and please give your amazing and wonderful mother a giant hug from me!
We are hoping to do more interviews soon with other former JMS members
@@CultstoConsciousness that’s awesome! I got so sick hearing that he reached into my homeland (Taiwan), and I recognized the article shown on the documentary from when my parents read about it back then!
This is inspiring to me. I was groomed for years when I was young and was able to get away from the situation before anything physical happened. It was not a cult situation but the people involved had very similar characters/tactics.
Liz gives me hope that ill be on the other side of my trauma someday.
We also had to come to terms with something painfully similar, you will come out on top. It'll take time but you have the strength within you to overcome your trauma. You are more than a collection of bad things that have happened to you, you are infinitely more than just a victim. If you have the desire to overcome, you will. You've got this.
-Altair and Nexus of the Syzygy System
This ep deserves some sort of award. It was such a great episode. All the emotions and y’all have such great flow and chemistry. Tysm for the re upload, I learned so much.
You are just the best. Thank you! I’m happy you enjoyed it 😁
I studied in Seoul for about a year and a half pre and post-covid and I think I was approached by cult members maybe 3-4 times? Most times I was alone and near/on campus and once while I was with my mom while she was visiting. This happens all the time but i'm glad I didn't follow through with anything. So scary.
ironically before I left for Korea (I grew up in an american evangelical megachurch for reference) my old church pastor was telling me how "the biggest church is in Korea" (referring to the moonies) and he was trying to encourage me to maybe attend/try to stay involved in a church while i was gone (i didn't lol). i had no idea until way later that they were THAT cult and I'm glad I stayed as far as possible😭
Oh good! I was so worried this was gone forever, it vanished in the middle of me watching!
Me too! I thought I was going crazy!
It disappeared while I was watching too but I guess my computer pre downloaded enough of the video that I was able to still watch the whole thing. I already started watching the Netflix documentary, it's horrifying.
So sorry about that! Haha had to make some adjustments so it didn’t have a bunch of restrictions on it. The reach was being severely affected and we want the most people as possible to see it
I had wondered whether being raised Pentecostal or any dogmatic religion that reject independent thinking can make one more prone to being indoctrinated by a cult or other dogmatic religion. I think Liz’s reflection on Bible college helps answer that question. I was brought up as Anglican and we were encouraged to use critical thinking in our church. My takeaway from this is that regardless of having faith or not having faith, we must raise our children to use critical thinking and think for themselves. So glad you survived that awful experience Liz.
I was raised in a Pentecostal church and I wasn’t brainwashed and definitely wasn’t told not to question things. I think there are extremists in all denominations. I’ve seen people in the Catholic faith who are extreme and display some cultish tendencies, and I’ve also seen some baptists fundamentalists who were also in a different type of cult. There are plenty out of mainstream Christianity as well who are susceptible to this kind of brainwashing.
I once nearly joined a very cultish form of Islam (they were clearly recruiting white women to marry them off to Asian men), every white woman that I'd met there had been raised in a fundamentalist form of Christianity and/or had a history with some form of domestic abuse. There's definitely a link.
I'm a devout Christian who was raised to use logic. I was taught how historians' writings, archeological finds, eye-witness accounts, logic, etc all point to Jesus being the Truth. My dad's a mathematician who got a master's in chaos theory. I was raised on things like design inference.
My dad was sucked into a cult, and he was an atheist growing up.
I watched this yesterday and then couldn't find it in the evening to show my husband😮 I'm so glad it's back!!!❤ Thank you for showing tough topics such as these. You are truly helping bring awareness to the evils of this world❤
You are so welcome! Thank you for sharing and rewatching. We had to make some adjustments so YT wouldn’t restrict its reach.
At the part where her mother hugged her and begged her to come back, I had to pause the video to compose myself. I've listened to a lot of these videos but it was this one that really got to me, perhaps because I was so close with my own mum before she passed. Liz's mother sounds like a wonderful woman, so glad she was able to help.
Also love that Liz is studying psychology! That's actually why I'm so interested in cults despite never having been in one; the human mind is a fascinating thing.
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Yay! It’s back! Went back to finish and it was gone.
Same. I was so confused
Same I went to remember the documentary and it was gone.
Me too😅
Same!!! I was so mad it was gone because I knew it was so so so important
Same
Thank you both for being so open and shedding light on this subject. Cults can be incredibly powerful and it's so easy to get caught in one if they catch you when you're vulnerable (contrary to popular belief). I'm so glad you're both out! Sending a lot of virtual love 💜
Thank you so much!
Kudos to Liz and her Mom for having the courage to fight against this malevolent force. Again, this highlights just how dangerous and destructive these cults, and essentially all religions, are. Much damage has been done in the guise of holiness.
Couldn’t agree more!
I want to sign my name under your comment! 🌟 I deconstructed my religious fanaticism completely alone after more than 30 years inside a highly abusive, misogynist, purity- and femicide based religion and I am still afraid and not able to speak openly about it, because they punish heresy with death. Faith in a superior being fills the most essential, core human need for love, safety, meaning and belonging, but there are aways people who manage to convince us that following our intuition and listening to our heart is a deadly mistake and that there must be a mediator between us and the divine - which is, of course, them! 🙄 (almost always older men who want control and sex!🤷🏽♀️)
I have been religion free for six years now and I went through hell many times, until I could find some peace of mind and a reason for existence without having random men with beards telling me what my rights, my body, my destiny, my duties, my inherent gender limitations and my very essence are! In 21st century!! 🤬
@@gaiagreen2690 Your story (all too familiar)breaks my heart. I hope you can finally enjoy the peace and happiness that freedom from religion can bring. It's a dangerous and insidious myth designed to keep us (especially women)fearful and compliant.
The world would be such a better place, imo, without the many negative and destructive influences religion has on our lives daily. How it permeates our government, justice system, education, et al makes my blood boil.
Only good things for you looking forward.
We've already tried Godlessness before but the bodies keep piling up even more.
@@markgarrett3647 Could you please give a specific example of this?
So glad this video is back up! Possibly one of your best and utterly harrowing. Cults really are everywhere and my heart goes out to all the victims.
The documentary Liz was in -- "In the Name of God: A Holy Betrayal" is super eye-opening and also interviewed other victims. It's nice to see at least one channel covering cults that are not in western countries as its important that all cults need to be brought to the world's attention just the same. Thank you Liz for continuing to speak up.
The JMS stuff is nuts. It’s difficult for me to even conceived because of how crazy it is
This girl is extremely lucky an thankful her family was 100% behind her in getting her back. What a truly amazing story. This is just so inspiring and heart felt. Wishing nothing but the best for her an her awesome family.
I’m also Australian and remember having random people messaging me saying we went to the same uni and that I should join their bible study group. This was on at least 3 occasions. I ignored them all as I wasn’t interested but it was a little close to home when news broke about it being a massive worldwide cult.
Wow! I wasn’t sure at first that I was ready to hear this story, Shelise - hearing how such an evil man could continue abusing women while IN PRISON infuriated me. Thank you Liz for sharing your story despite the negative and potentially dangerous consequences. You will be an excellent de-programmer!!
Being a mother of 20 year Olds, this is terrifying and heartbreaking. Bless your Saint of a mother ❤
This was completely riveting. I especially appreciated the brief explanation about how the deprogramming was accomplished. I would like to know more about how to do it because I think we all probably know someone caught in a cult, and would love to be able to help them. Right now in the usa, it's sort of a mass delusion thing going on....we need more psychologists who understand cults to brief the Congress!
Thanks for sharing your story. Since stepping out, I now use the no F.O.G. rule. No living from FEAR, OBLIGATION, or GUILT.
I have never been in a religion or cult, but as an abuse survivor this hits hard.. no f.o.g. I am going to try and remember that, thank you! I hope you find kindness on your journey. ❤
I've been working my way through all your video's and am almost near the end (just got the biggest takeaways video left). This was the first time I had to take a break partway through the video. The part where she mentioned her Mum hugging her tightly brought me to tears. The level of strength and endurance that her Mum showed throughout the situation was incredible.
Wow! Thanks for watching! I appreciate your support. I know, so so so hard. Some episodes hit me harder than others. I take lots of breaks to stretch and breathe during long editing sessions.
Thank you so much Liz for sharing your story, and thank you to Liz' mom for saving her!!! Incredible!!! This was a particularly devastating story. Liz you are amazing and it is so inspiring that you are studying to go on to help others!
You might like her part two that just came out yesterday! th-cam.com/video/-QXJD9BfyhI/w-d-xo.html
Wow. That story blew me away. Such a brave woman to speak up about this and massive wow for your mum too
This took so much courage and vulnerability and I am so grateful for the fact that you had the strength to do this, it was so enlightening and it is so important to know.
I'm so glad she survived and now she's speaking out! 😢 👏
Great interview. Thank you for educating the public about cult tactics. This JMS cult has similar traits as the Jehovah's Witnesses.
As well as the Kingdom Light Congregation/The Church of Jesus Christ here in the Philippines, whose leader (Apollo C. Quiboloy/ACQ), is a wanted criminal in the U.S. - in the FBI's wanted list.
What an amazing story! Liz and her mom are a force of nature. The work Channels like yours are doing are absolutely necessary in this time of “awakening” or awareness of mental abuse, because people are just realising not only that high control groups are more common than we think, but also that narcisistic abuse IS a thing, unfortunately, and that it is happening in relationships, family and work enviroment. Great content!!
It would very educational and helpful to have a psychologist or cult expert on, to discuss the level of brainwashing that occurs, and why it works exceptional well on vulnerable individuals. We have many studies describing the processes of brainwashing. Continue your efforts to address this very important topic.
She is an AMAZING speaker! This was a beautiful episode. Crying with her mom coming to her rescue. I wish jer every success with her studies - much love ❤️ thank you for this podcast
It is my personal opinion that anyone who claims to be or speak for God, is a liar & manipulator. And usually, women are abused (and children). A coincidence? I think not. My heart goes out to all of us. Between dangerous politics & religions, I fear for us little humans....
Nope look at the Republican party here in the USA
You think that of the Pope?
@@rmakidsno exceptions
@@rmakidsthe catholic institution S.A.s young boys so still gross
The little humans are the ones who created what u fear ;)
I love seeing the strength and perseverance in your guests ♥️
I have been so impressed with ALL of your content, but this episode was truly SO impactful. Thank you both for you bravery, honesty, and transparency so the world can see how this could happen to anyone!!
What an amazing person, so well spoken and so great at telling her story without judgement. Fantastic guest.
You are all so brave to talk about what you went through. Thank you.
My best friend has been trying to tell me for years that I was part of a cult and I still don't believe it, but I'm less sure it wasn't after watching your videos.
Being told one is in a cult is quite scary, usually not very helpful and can tend to make us dig in our heals and doubt outside information instead of doubting the group we are in. We are not bad or wrong if and when we find out we've been tricked and fed information that is not for our greater well being. We are not bad or wrong for wanting connection, for wanting or even craving a feeling of belonging and being part of something special and important. I found getting out of the cult I was born into and being free to investigate, to really find out what happened to me, is less scary than staying in with people and a leader(s) who ultimately are out for their own agenda. There is a lot of helpful information from channels like this, they helped me a lot.
Truth will always stand up to scrutiny so research whatever group you are in, if it's true that shouldn't be at all an issue as there will be nothing which needs hiding.
@@tanyabrown9839and definitely DO NOT trust your feelings. Look at the evidence in front of you.
What are the teachings?
What happened in your cult
Watching all of the stories on your channels make me glad that my Episcopal priest allowed us to ask questions for which he did not always have a biblical answer. My godsister and I were constantly questioning things that didn’t make sense when merging science and the Bible. I imagine that’s why we’re both atheists today, though I think my journey there took longer than hers. I can empathize with you and your guests about there journeys out of cults. It takes a lot of courage and strength to let go of everything you have been taught is real to jump into a secular world that is so unfamiliar. Even though your channel is about deconstructing from cults, I believe we all have things in our lives that need deconstruction. This channel has helped me see things in my life thatI didn’t realize were holding me back.
Only found your channel yesterday and I am so impressed. You have a great variety of guests with many interesting stories on all sorts of subjects, well done
Its crazy how many cult leaders claim to be celibate, holy monks yet are caught orchestrsting this inner harem within their cult. Not only that, but the amount of women conditioned to remain very skinny and sleep-deprived is anything but strategic. Reminds me of NXIVM.
Every episode I watch on this channel not only inspires me and give me the words to help me to deconstruct the cult stuff I've been through, but also it may just be the thing that gives me the courage to tell my story publicly.
This one got to me even more than all the others because I could see myself in so many things she was saying! I so wish that things like this channel would have existed when I got out of the group I was in 28 years ago! People didn’t even have a clue about sect or gnosis back in those days, I had a long way to recovery and absolutely no one to talk to about it because no one could understand. I am so proud of both of you for speaking up and dedicating your lives to helping people get better after being through all of that! Sending both of you lots of love!
You are both so inspiring. Schools should add talks like yours to the curriculum. Young adolescents should be prepared to look out for cults like this.
Thank you! I agree that kids need to be made aware of cult manipulation tactics. It would also help them to avoid abusive relationships.
We actually did talk about different cults in school in Germany, as we also have sience based sex ad. I’m not sure if the numbers in Europe are somehow different as somewere else
"All your critical thinking comes online almost in an instant." Love that. So true. Took me a few days to make it through this, but so captivating. I can't imagine a three-day deprogramming. That dazed feeling she felt I felt, too, but I'm sure it was soooo much more for her in such rapid-fire.
I'm super hooked on this channel, I think I've maybe listened to three episodes today, while I'm doing other things at home. Maybe I start out of curiosity, but I stay because of the inspiration of what these wonderful people do today, thank you very much
Well done Liz for having the strength to get away from these animals!!
Love and hugs from a fellow Aussie ❤
Liz I'm so happy you got out of the cult alive. You are so brave speaking out about what you went threw.
Thank you for sharing your story Liz.🙏🏾
This conversation took me back to several religious experiences I have had in different denominations through my journey with Christianity. I can identify with the techniques and the feelings they bring forth. It's a manipulation game and many of us do fall for it. I'm thankful Liz was able to break out of the manipulation and brainwashing. Linda listen moment... you gotta listen to your intuition and your mom!
A great Linda, Listen!
Thanks for telling your story Liz. Thanks for being strong to share this.
Great interview. Had no idea there were so many cults.
Saaaame. And somehow they keep getting worse.
Im so glad you mentioned that the missionaries are kids within the LDS, and that they do truly believe that they are helping people. My family converted when i was young, and i have seen firsthand the belief of those teens, they are really meaning to do good, and be kind. I am an ExMo, but to this day i will stop and ask missionaries if they need anything, i will donate cases of water, whatever they need,any way i can help those kids because they are really good kids who mean well.
You both had such a great banter with one another! ❤️ Thank you for telling your story, Liz. I’m so glad you got out and are turning your experience into something that will help others. Also, your mom... rock star 💪
Thank you so much! I could talk to Liz for hours.
Another great episode - Amazing story!
Thanks for listening
I had only planned to listen to a little of this, but found it so interesting that I watched the entire thing. I learned something that I had not heard before. These cults can represent YOUR religion and then slowly twist and change things. I'd always thought that they were distinctly different and wondered how people fell for that. I am seeing this with a relative and luckily she is seeing it, too. She has attended a new "Catholic" church and has liked it because the service has been the old fashioned formal service before wording and translation changed some of the prayers, etc. She mentioned recently that three things have happened that she didn't like: The minister told them they would no longer bow to the cross as it entered the church, but bow to the priest as he is the representative of God; that wearing red and green at Christmas was against the bible; and that Easter was not the same as they had always learned. My reply was, "What?! This sounds like a cult!" She said she had been thinking that. I also said, "If they ever mention the "Umbrella of Authority" to RUN!!" (That is from the IBLP and has filtered into many religions.) I said it sounded like they were going in a fundamental direction and that is not all bad unless the human who is interpreting the bible is changing things to fit their own needs. She agreed. I said she must find a new church or return to the traditional Catholic church. I'm very concerned about what I've seen happening to many people I know who are listening to some of these false prophets and doing things that make me wonder if they are ok. It is scary that they can masquerade as people from our own religions. People must not depend on others to interpret the bible for them. They must do that themselves.
You would be better served to free yourselves from any and all religion. It's all man-made and
manufactured to keep us fearful and compliant.
It's not easy to shed because it's so deeply ingrained, but life is so much better if you can.
Liz thank you so much! Im sorry for all you went through and how you were treated, i cried during this interview. Youre so compassionate and so brave. And as always thanks to salise for always being kind and compassionate and brave as well. I love this channel 🫶
This episode so clearly demonstrated that intelligence is no barrier to being recruited into a cult. Here are two extraordinary and articulate women showing us that we are all vulnerable. And OMG I love Liz’s Mum - unconditional love and courage all round.
Thank you for that! ❤️
It's a different thing. It crawls into your brain and changes you. 😢
That more intense and suspenseful than most movies. Dang. You both seem like really great people and I'm glad there was a happy ending.
Beautifully articulated & informative as always! 🌈
Thank you so much! 🥰
Wow thank you!!! You and your mom are amazing brave woman! Really proud of both of you ❤❤❤
I really enjoyed listening to this. I hope this helps so many people out there. Thank you guys.❤
I've been binge watching a lot of the Cults to Consciousness content lately, and as an Australian, this one hit home in the fact that it is a situation where it just takes the right headspace, the right timing, and anyone can fall into a cult and that it isn't just an American issue like the media wants to make out. I just wanted to add to the conversation and say that in particular, the Linda Listen moment here hit like a freight train in the realisation that this applies to more than just religion - it applies to so many organisations and structures in society. In particular, it applies to sporting bodies, with exactly how high demand and abusive they are increasingly coming to light in recent years (gymnastics, ice skating and cheerleading being three major ones that I'm personally invested in but they're far from the only ones that have had this happen recently on a global scale), where those at the top of these sports have worked very hard to curate closed door cultures with a large amount of gatekeeping information, demonising any doubt or questions against the information given to you by the coaches/owners/board members with those who ask questions being punished/outcast. It's like I just had a bucket of ice water dumped over me, especially as a parent whose child is especially vulnerable in this way. Know that the work you're doing is important and doesn't just apply to religions or cults, but it's valuable insights and information that applies across the board and these things are so so important to say and educate on.
Thanks so much for sharing that! I’m happy it’s helpful. We agree that once Cult patterning is established it’s easier to spot in daily life. Thanks for watching!
So glad she got away. Love and light to you both and blessings to those who need to be saved from cults !💕🇨🇦🙏🏽
Even though the theme of the video is awful, I enjoyed really much being able to listen to two amazing, kind and beautiful women talking about regaining confidence and self trust!
Can we have another video with Liz? Please, Shelise!
I love your channel. Thank you for the work you are doing and for sharing it with us
Wow, thank you! Yes we are going to do another episode!😁
you are so brave for speaking out. thank you Liz
Omg Liz, thank you for sharing and your mom is an inspiration to me! What dedication on both of your parts!
Agreed! I want to meet her mom and give her a hug. Actually both of them 😁
Thank you so much for this series!
You are so welcome!
❤😢 I feel like Liz, and many of your guests, are reliving the trauma as they tell their stories and Liz really you are so brave I could really feel you struggling at times. I wish you the absolute best. 🎉Favorite channel wow!
this channel is the most important one on YT RN .....
Liz speaks so beautifully, even though the topic at hand is so hard! 💜
Liz! You have said my thoughts so perfectly about religion and how being in the gray is ok! It’s great to see how happy and healthy you are now!
Shelise you are so wonderful and understanding. Watching you on your channel I can feel your empathy and it is so warming. The guest that you talk to must feel so listened to. It is also very informative and interesting watching your channel. Thank you for covering all these cases. X
amazing story , thank you for your bravery ! Stories like these need to be heard ❤
Is this a re-upload? I swear I watched this 🙈 I hope youtube didnt take it down! I get a lot of value in your content. 💝
Yeah pretty sure it is
Hi! Yes it is. We had to make some adjustments so our reach wasn’t restricted by the algorithm. Thanks for watching!
i follow her on tiktok and came to this video, i’m so fascinated by this and her story, she’s truly incredible!
Blessed Be,
Liz,
Shelize & Jonathan
Important enough to share and listen to again.
Amazing episode! Incredibly informative. Liz, you're amazing and bravo to your mom. I hope you continue to heal and be a light for others.
Great video Shelise. Im glad you are shedding light on these kind of abuses. You are an angel. Stay well.
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This was particularly wonderful ~ thanks ladies
Great video thank you both for your bravery in sharing your stories!
Thank you so much for this platform 🌅🙏🏼
Always great. Thanks, your fan, The Rabbit.
Excellent interview. Thank you for sharing your story. ❤
Thank you both! I know people in the NAR evangelical cult, and some in Jesus Christians (A Voice in the Desert) - all Australians. It is awesome to hear from a young Australian woman who can talk straight talk in a way that is so relatable. And how awesome is your Mum!
Thank you for the time stamps, I love listening but some times need to skip a part of two. One more thing, I would LOVE to hear this story from the mother!!
Right! We have asked but I think she’s shy 🥰
@@CultstoConsciousness it would be just as gripping if she is off camera or in shadow. I get it the pain and fear might just be too raw.