Paying 5 to cast a Lotus Petal is an incredible flex. So is paying 1BB+B for Praetor's Grasp -> Dark Ritual. The entire Ad Naus turn was hilarious too.
Omg I don’t know how I missed that. Literally half way through and popped open the comments or I probably wouldn’t have even noticed. Im so used to the random crappy Pokémon card tokens.
Fantastic game! Really great to see a lot of new variance and unexpected plays. Great job editing and making the game easier to follow. Really love it when you get different decks and builds into a game to spice it up.
Not really, if anything it shows the opposite, since a deck only has to cast it and protect it to win without any further action (and casting and protecting it is something you would have to do for a card anyway), so you can devote the deck entirely to it, and it doesn't have to work with your commander in any way.
@@tibx2617 Sorry about that, but generally it's wise not to look at the comments of a video early, since the comments usually discuss how the video/game went.
If mike wouldve searched an underworld breach instead of reanimate, he prob couldve attempted a win on turn 3. Breach, escape dockside, escape diabolic intent, search for ad naus. Gg if no counterspells
With Rhystic and Mystic drawing piles upon piles of cards, and dockside adding jet fuel to the card piles, the power level in the format right now is absolutely nutty Also, gotta love how dockside is so good people started running phantasmal image so they can have a second fucking dockside
Opposition Agent only works when the opponents search their own libraries. If they search any library other than their own, Opposition Agent has no effect.
I feel like it says something about Thassa's Oracle that a player couldn't find an answer in 31 cards between 14 cards discarded, 14 drawn, and 3 Brainstormed.
Right. +50. I add in infinite mana and outlet in command zone, heartless hidgetsu and double of damage, indestructible creature and world slayer, etc. The reality is that there is close to one hundred unique legendaries that have one card in the deck that it combos. There is overlap like Kiki jiki, or infinite mana, or food chain, etc. But, you are easily talking about +50 cards that need to be banned.
Having recently started to use a Kess deck(pact+oracle win-con) in my playgroup- this channel is insanely fun to watch. And my playgroup absolutely HATES playing against me. It’s so fun. Thank you for the ideas!
i dont know if its too much to ask but could you add some square line around players screen when its their turn also arrows for attacks and interactions
I think it's due to the wording on Agent - "you control your opponents while they're searching their libraries". Grasp searches another player's library, not your own, so isn't affected by Agent.
Tyler misplayed by waiting that long to cast his commander. Everything was set for him to burn out his opponents but he gave them too big a window to get their combos together.
is tyler's ENTIRE deck foil???? or is it the sleeves or his camera? I assume its the sleeves, but idk and i kinda want to know how expensive that deck is bc every single card is some premium version, its gotta be a TON of money
@@raevimati7048 All foil proxies. If you'd like to see my fully blinged out non-proxy deck, check out the Tevesh / Kraum vs Gitrog vs Kenrith vs Tasigur video. I have the Kenrith deck :D I've tried to foil every card that can be foiled. Here's a link to that deck for a detailed list of all the cards that are foil and that aren't! www.moxfield.com/decks/PWUWJEIO70y6CDJpK9IY_A
@@jagesjack Wow, nice. I think Ive prolly watched that episode already, but I didnt noticed the blinged out deck. Good to know there are good proxies out there for people like me who have a smaller collection (I dont have a large budget for mtg but I really like high power decks, so proxies are the way to go)
I never play a game with storm mechanic, is it kept track of every turn by all the players so if someone does happen to cast a card with storm on any turn you know what it is, or how is it kept track of ?
Storm counts every spell cast during the entire turn. If on my upkeep I cast 2 spells and then pass the turn, if you were to cast a storm spell on my end step it would have a storm count of 2.
@@JLH111176 If you have a storm card you have to keep track, some turns it won’t matter. Also if you have a question on the storm count, you could always ask the table what spells were cast this turn
Mind me asking, but Veil of Summer was cast in that weird final turn was it not? "Spells cannot be countered, and of your permeants gains hex proof." What was Tyler trying to find? Only thing that could have stopped that turn ending the match was forcing him to draw one card.
Instead of paying 1 mana, I'll pay 1 comment for this Rhystic showcase tax. If a montage of counter wars happened, this game would be a must include though!
Just curious, why was the Narrator only mentioning when Mike took damage from Nekusar. Were the other players not drawing cards off their Rhystic/Mystic? And a few times narrator missed announcing when Mystic should have triggered earlier in the game
I'm a little confused. With necropotence on the board doesn't any card going go the grave get exiled so he cant keep looping LED with breech? Or am I missing something?
I also assumed that the few copies of mikokoro I saw in cedh were to make the opponent loose before the TO trigger resolves. Anyway, what's sad is that regardless of how tired of this wincon we are, it's still more effective to run the bundle of very good all purpose counters and still focus on rushing towards your own win. Although I think I've seen a few Tale's End as a flex slot lol
@@gael_le_cruel I believe the best answer is Nimble Obstructionist because is a cycle ability which is pretty hard to interact with. Tales end is not a bad idea.
Most decks on the cedh level do not have the open slot for that effect. 5 years ago, yeah you could make an argument for that. Today’s deck building usually has 90+ cards that are guaranteed to be proactive in advancing towards a win. You are proposing to play a reactive card that might not happen. All the decks played today were proactive. Ad nauseam, food chain, Doomsday, commander synergy. None of these decks want to just sit there and wait for thassa’s oracle to happen and then say “GOTCHA HAHA”. They all want to play interaction spells that can stop a combo AND protect their combo. You might have an argument for mono blue, but not one of these decks played today should even consider stifle.
@@MM-oz9nx This is why Nimble Obstructionist is the better option. You can draw a card out it, stifle, or put a creature down. Yes, 2 out 3 thing i mentioned are reactive plays but the amount of Thasa's oracles i see on my play group is making justify the card.
*dramatic music ramps up* There's no epic battle There's no dust clouding your vision There isn't even anyone dying to combat damage There's just a fish that's out of ideas
im not sure about this but it kinda looks like tyler gave away the win....why when someone is going infinite not just burn kill with necro before he casts the veil....he burnt mike for like 5 or 6 which didnt make sense when he had a way to discard and redraw and get close to tapping him
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG does your group/friends tend to buy the really expensive cards, or keep them allways as proxies? in most games its looks like everyone has real copys. thats why im asking :D
Paying 5 to cast a Lotus Petal is an incredible flex. So is paying 1BB+B for Praetor's Grasp -> Dark Ritual.
The entire Ad Naus turn was hilarious too.
I think a big flex is the og Charizard as a token
Paying the one for rhystic study, in general, is about asserting dominance
Alternate title: Rhystic Study the Game
Mike really loves that Kraum Tevesh deck of his, it ses to be his signature deck now.
It's my favorite deck! Unfortunately, I played it waaaay too much so I'm taking a break from it for the sake of the viewers :D
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I personally love having a meta villain to compare other decks too 😉
That Charizard as a thrull is such a flex lmao
Omg I don’t know how I missed that. Literally half way through and popped open the comments or I probably wouldn’t have even noticed. Im so used to the random crappy Pokémon card tokens.
The charizard was a spirit, not thrull
@@MRxLOP3Zx714 still a good flex xD
The battle of the studies and flusters!
Tyler: “Cast Dockside”
Mike: “I will keep all these treasures!”
Tyler: “Overload Cyc Rift?”
Mike: “...Shit.”
*oh no*
i knew the counter war was going to be epic with so many rhystic studies and mystic remoras sitting in play
Triple flusterstorm. What a moment
These videos are always an instant watch for me!
WOW, what an insane final turn!
Fantastic game! Really great to see a lot of new variance and unexpected plays. Great job editing and making the game easier to follow. Really love it when you get different decks and builds into a game to spice it up.
Always excited to see nekusar being played
I'm afraid of no man... but that thing *stack on Zack's win turn*... that thing scares me
Good start to the day. I get to watch one of my favorite CEDH channels. Let's goooo!
Hoooooly moly i love everything about this! Gonna watch again, sooo many mystic and rhystic triggers, omnomnom love it!
That last turn though! Insane! GG in it's all meanings!
Imagine spending all your resources and counterspells to ensure you can resolve an ad naus, just to draw 3 cards lmao
The third was all he needed (fortunately).
"just to draw Underworld Breach"
That's usually enough to win
It won the game. Nobody had any responses left to stop the Thassa
Nice old school Nekusar, thanks guys, you are amazing
That was a super awesome game. Props to the editor on this one!!!
So much interaction wasted to stop an Ad Naus with 12 life 🤣
it still won him the game though
15* life I believe
I agree it’s funny
But his average cmc in the deck is probably like 1.4
So definitely need to stop it
Everyone's talking about the rhystic and mystic, but why's there no mention of how obscene dockside was this game?
I wonder if it's the best card in cEDH. Whenever I can get Dockside shenanigans going I win a huge % of those games.
See, this is when a Thassa's Oracle win is deserved. What a turn!
Noooo I dislike opening the vid and seeing this comment ruined, it’s known knowledge not to directly say what happened 😥
@@tibx2617 lol it’s a cedh video from playing with power. Thassa’s Oracle ftw is a given
Not really, if anything it shows the opposite, since a deck only has to cast it and protect it to win without any further action (and casting and protecting it is something you would have to do for a card anyway), so you can devote the deck entirely to it, and it doesn't have to work with your commander in any way.
@@tibx2617 saying that game in cEDH ended by Thassa's Oracle is as much spoiler as saying that human won the game XD
@@tibx2617 Sorry about that, but generally it's wise not to look at the comments of a video early, since the comments usually discuss how the video/game went.
If mike wouldve searched an underworld breach instead of reanimate, he prob couldve attempted a win on turn 3. Breach, escape dockside, escape diabolic intent, search for ad naus. Gg if no counterspells
@@nathanmoore3866 Yes, he had 6 other cards in graveyard.
With Rhystic and Mystic drawing piles upon piles of cards, and dockside adding jet fuel to the card piles, the power level in the format right now is absolutely nutty
Also, gotta love how dockside is so good people started running phantasmal image so they can have a second fucking dockside
They already were running it, but it's just gotten so much better with dockside being in the game.
Love the storm count graphic 👌
Does praetors grasp get around Op agent? Just curious. I pretty sure there was a Op agent on Yurikos side
The counter wars was real with this one! 😂🤣
Yuriko didn’t do much this game....however...I’m not disappointed. Great match. Love this
That ad nauseam was nuts!
In which there were many studies to be made and many docksides to be paid!
Last time I was this early affordable duals entered untapped.
The earliest I’ve ever been for a video for any channel!
Are Monday uploads becoming the new norm?
Yep! We are trying out some new videos, so we are shifting our schedule around a bit.
Where does one get one of those arena wildcard tokens ? they're awesome
I feel like their were two misplays with the praetors grasp out with the opposition agent out
Opposition Agent only works when the opponents search their own libraries. If they search any library other than their own, Opposition Agent has no effect.
There were no misplays with oppo agent and praetor’s grasp. This interaction is a reason that praetor’s grasp is popular.
9:28 opposition agents won't affect Praetor's grasp?
i have the same question, that is a biigg missplay i think...
Only stops opponents from searching their own libraries
Only stops from searching their own libraries
That is correct. Opposition agent does nothing to stop praetor’s grasp. Same with bribery and acquire.
at 4:22, why did Mike tap a Volcanic Island to cast Vampiric Tutor? Is that an honest mistake?
there is an urborg out, so every land has the option to tap for black mana
I feel like it says something about Thassa's Oracle that a player couldn't find an answer in 31 cards between 14 cards discarded, 14 drawn, and 3 Brainstormed.
It was the veil of summer, all he could do its a not lose the game this turn card
It really doesn't tho
Love some of the proxies being used for this game, Tyler's full art Volcanic Island, City of Brass and Command Tower look sweet.
Thanks! They had just came in the mail the day of this recording lol.
@@jagesjack Where did you get them. I woul love to rock some bling like that.
Doesent oppo agent stop praetors grasp?
That's the first time I saw the first sliver without any slivers
"Sliver spells you control have cascade"...and it's another Oracle win. Cool storm count though, and excellent production as always.
Yeah, that "Sliver" deck just feels like any other Ad Naus/Consultation Fish list with access to five colors, gotta say.
It’s not a sliver deck. It’s a food chain deck.
@@MexiPerplexi the name of the deck is First Sliver Food chain.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Dats dah joke
@@mikebailey6185 You just never know with the comments section
Some day there will be sanctioned commander tournaments resulting in a proper banning of powerful cards, but until that day, long live the Oracle.
Out of curiosity what list do you have that you want to ban? Beyond oracle obviously
@@MM-oz9nx godo, heliod, pretty much any two card combos
So, +50 cards?
@@MM-oz9nx I guess it would only take 25 cards banned to destroy 50 2 card combos? The combos in the command zone are especially obnoxious.
Right. +50. I add in infinite mana and outlet in command zone, heartless hidgetsu and double of damage, indestructible creature and world slayer, etc. The reality is that there is close to one hundred unique legendaries that have one card in the deck that it combos. There is overlap like Kiki jiki, or infinite mana, or food chain, etc. But, you are easily talking about +50 cards that need to be banned.
Zack, the appropriate card to name with consultation is "Abandon Hope"
That was some really good playing. Impressive.
Having recently started to use a Kess deck(pact+oracle win-con) in my playgroup- this channel is insanely fun to watch. And my playgroup absolutely HATES playing against me. It’s so fun. Thank you for the ideas!
That's probably the best game I've seen yet haha
Storm Counter: Appears
People watching: OH NO.
i dont know if its too much to ask but could you add some square line around players screen when its their turn also arrows for attacks and interactions
Why did mike used praetors grasp if there is an opposition agent?
I think it's due to the wording on Agent - "you control your opponents while they're searching their libraries". Grasp searches another player's library, not your own, so isn't affected by Agent.
Because praetors grasp gets around opposition agent and allows you to get a card. Same with bribery and aquire.
Acquire
That was maybe the most sexy counter war I've ever witnessed
Mike deck is sweet but I have a soft spot for nekusar since I have one, might need to investigate Tyler's deck 😁
Wow, wow, wow... what a game guys!
This game was awesome to watch haha. What were the reactions to that crazy counter battle on Ad Naus in the final turn?
I immediately go to the comments on cedh content to see if there's an Oracle win so I can save my time.
Never realized how strong Tevesh/Kraum is with all that card draw
With a little luck, and a WHOLE lot of counterspells…uh I mean skill…
That was bananas indeed
Do you guys allow proxies of more expensive cards like LED and fetches?
100% I personally don't own and LED and proxy one along with a lot of other cards
does anyone know where they get those nice proxies?
Where did Tyler get those arena wildcard tokens? They look sick!
Foil OG rhystic study god damn Zack's ballin
loving all the alters/proxies from Tyler and Adam, never knew how much I wanted borderless pain lands.
Good job on the commentary that was a lot of triggers.
Tyler's deck. So dang pretty!!! 😍🤔
Thanks!
Tyler's deck was gorgeous. Is it all foiled out?
Tyler's proxies were incredible! Anyone know where he ordered them?
Tyler misplayed by waiting that long to cast his commander. Everything was set for him to burn out his opponents but he gave them too big a window to get their combos together.
In the words of a great man, lezzzzzzz goooooooo
Good lord these videos can make my head hurt sometimes with how large the stack can get. Ready for another game already.
is tyler's ENTIRE deck foil???? or is it the sleeves or his camera? I assume its the sleeves, but idk
and i kinda want to know how expensive that deck is bc every single card is some premium version, its gotta be a TON of money
It's foil proxies :)
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG oh really? thats quite impressive
@@raevimati7048 All foil proxies. If you'd like to see my fully blinged out non-proxy deck, check out the Tevesh / Kraum vs Gitrog vs Kenrith vs Tasigur video. I have the Kenrith deck :D I've tried to foil every card that can be foiled. Here's a link to that deck for a detailed list of all the cards that are foil and that aren't! www.moxfield.com/decks/PWUWJEIO70y6CDJpK9IY_A
@@jagesjack Wow, nice. I think Ive prolly watched that episode already, but I didnt noticed the blinged out deck. Good to know there are good proxies out there for people like me who have a smaller collection (I dont have a large budget for mtg but I really like high power decks, so proxies are the way to go)
I never play a game with storm mechanic, is it kept track of every turn by all the players so if someone does happen to cast a card with storm on any turn you know what it is, or how is it kept track of ?
Storm counts every spell cast during the entire turn. If on my upkeep I cast 2 spells and then pass the turn, if you were to cast a storm spell on my end step it would have a storm count of 2.
@@XragebootsX but who keeps track of that every turn though ? Some turns it won't even matter ?
@@JLH111176 If you have a storm card you have to keep track, some turns it won’t matter. Also if you have a question on the storm count, you could always ask the table what spells were cast this turn
Whoever is casting the storm card is responsible for knowing the storm count. It is their trigger, so they need to keep an accurate count.
Bravo! That was wild!
Nice game :) definitely very informative
Holy crap that storm count was ridiculous in the final turn, sheesh also stealing that Brain Freeze to power your combo is brillant.
thats where ya play a minds disire.
Would love to see the nekusar list have a cedh of it myself !
Given that I just listened to a discussions of Oracle and whether it is OP or not earlier today, the ending of this seems on point. ;)
its not though lab man and jace both do the same thing for near the same casting cost.
World record for most counterspells targeting a single spell.
Mind me asking, but Veil of Summer was cast in that weird final turn was it not? "Spells cannot be countered, and of your permeants gains hex proof." What was Tyler trying to find? Only thing that could have stopped that turn ending the match was forcing him to draw one card.
Instead of paying 1 mana, I'll pay 1 comment for this Rhystic showcase tax.
If a montage of counter wars happened, this game would be a must include though!
Man Adam’s Proxies are INSANE! Would love to know where he ordered/printed them from.
To me it looks like MPC proxy
Ducking hell that was intense
Just curious, why was the Narrator only mentioning when Mike took damage from Nekusar. Were the other players not drawing cards off their Rhystic/Mystic?
And a few times narrator missed announcing when Mystic should have triggered earlier in the game
I'm a little confused. With necropotence on the board doesn't any card going go the grave get exiled so he cant keep looping LED with breech? Or am I missing something?
No, only discarded cards are exiled by Necropotence. Everything else goes to the graveyard as normal.
@@DarkEinherjar okay I thought I was missing something. Thank you kindly! Great game!
I was wandering. How do you resolve Praetors Grasp while playing online. Do you guys have any idea?
"Do you have this card in your deck? No? Ok, how about this card?" It isn't pretty, but it works.
wow... hahaha such effort such way. It does solve the problem. 👍
That game was sick
how does adam do his proxies, anyone knows? they are AMAZING
wouldnt the preators grasp be stopped by the opp agent and Adam woulda taken the tutor?
Nope, due to opp's wording.
Am I wrong but how Zack can search for card when the Adam's Opo agent was in play?
Opposition Agent prevents you from searching your own library. Because Praetor's Grasp searches an opponent's library, the agent does not effect this.
@@zehk7963 thx for correction. So I may try the bribery in my mono blue deck without problems.
Gaaahhhh I love the breach package in sliver its so dirty
Why didn't Adam control both praetors grasp searches with his opposition agent ?
Opp agent only works when your searching your own library.
i think it is time to run stifle effects.
I also assumed that the few copies of mikokoro I saw in cedh were to make the opponent loose before the TO trigger resolves.
Anyway, what's sad is that regardless of how tired of this wincon we are, it's still more effective to run the bundle of very good all purpose counters and still focus on rushing towards your own win.
Although I think I've seen a few Tale's End as a flex slot lol
@@gael_le_cruel I believe the best answer is Nimble Obstructionist because is a cycle ability which is pretty hard to interact with. Tales end is not a bad idea.
Most decks on the cedh level do not have the open slot for that effect. 5 years ago, yeah you could make an argument for that. Today’s deck building usually has 90+ cards that are guaranteed to be proactive in advancing towards a win. You are proposing to play a reactive card that might not happen. All the decks played today were proactive. Ad nauseam, food chain, Doomsday, commander synergy. None of these decks want to just sit there and wait for thassa’s oracle to happen and then say “GOTCHA HAHA”. They all want to play interaction spells that can stop a combo AND protect their combo.
You might have an argument for mono blue, but not one of these decks played today should even consider stifle.
@@MM-oz9nx This is why Nimble Obstructionist is the better option. You can draw a card out it, stifle, or put a creature down. Yes, 2 out 3 thing i mentioned are reactive plays but the amount of Thasa's oracles i see on my play group is making justify the card.
So, you want to hold onto three mana for a gotcha moment, instead of two mana for any number of counter spells that can counter a creature spell,?
What a game!
Are my ears malfunctioning, or do you have a new mic? Sounds noice
Thanks! We’ve been trying to work on our audio here as of late.
I title this "The tale of Flustered Students"
*dramatic music ramps up*
There's no epic battle
There's no dust clouding your vision
There isn't even anyone dying to combat damage
There's just a fish that's out of ideas
im not sure about this but it kinda looks like tyler gave away the win....why when someone is going infinite not just burn kill with necro before he casts the veil....he burnt mike for like 5 or 6 which didnt make sense when he had a way to discard and redraw and get close to tapping him
wow oracle won what a surprise, totally unexpected and super interesting
Yeah winning through over a dozen counter spells with ad naus at 12 life is pretty interesting.
@@LemorasCards yes especially since 2 card combo deck thats loaded with all the tutors and counters requires at least 160iq to be piloted
I feel like if neku was out earlier the game would have been different
whats your opinions on playing cedh with proxies?
We are 100% pro proxy. We encourage all who play Cedh to proxy.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG does your group/friends tend to buy the really expensive cards, or keep them allways as proxies?
in most games its looks like everyone has real copys. thats why im asking :D
@@JimmyLangPlays We all proxy cards. Some of us have original cards, but proxying is very easy.
Didn't Adam have opposition agent on the final turn?
Opp Agent only works if a player searches their own library. Praetor's Grasp had Tyler search Mike's library, so Opp Agent doesn't apply.
He did have opposition agent in the last turn. All of the spells cast in the last turn were not affected by it.
I need that nekrusar deck list
Random question but who is the narrator? I bet he's a better cedh player than anyone at the table
I wish. It’s Ryan.