The more I see and hear Sara Davies, the more I like her. No bullying, no lessons, no arrogance, and an immediate solid contact with hopeful entrepreneurs in whose products she has confidence. I hope her track record backs up my confidence, but her people skills leave her fellow Dragons in the dust. I hope that this venture works out well for all concerned.
She's also in a better shape and with a much more remarkable fashion sense than in her first seasons. Which has nothing to do with anything but it's heartwarming to see anyway.
The clawback for the Cassis pitch being outright rejected was ridiculous. The conditions are normally pretty onerous like "if I get all my money back within a year", but the offer Sarah made should have been very easy to meet. That would tell me she has no confidence in her ability to grow the business.
Yes, the way she clung to her accountant's advice rather than take a punt with people who could have boosted her business and were clearly interested, or at worst, made her life a lot more fun, is beyond me. I don't know what exactly she was expecting to be offered. A solid product and lots of money behind her, but a boring pedestrian approach. If I'd had the opportunity to go into business with this lady, I think it would have been an uphill struggle arguing with her and her "accountant" - sadly!
Later she said she didn't understand it. Actually she didn't even listen the buyback part after she heard 40% which gives an idea about her business acumen.
@@simplicityseekeronroadthat happens when you don’t listen. She was so fixated on the high initial percentage that she didn’t allow herself to ‘understand’ the very simple conditions
That first one was pain. If all five of them have essentially come up with the exact same figure, then that's what it's worth. They come up with their figures independently of each other.
The first one was only on for the exposure for her business. She already had a successful business selling to multiple international brands. She absolutely could have used some of that money to jump start the drinks scheme.
That first lady was bonkers. Im not sure she actually knew what she was doing there. The look on all the dragon's faces when they realized nothing they said was going through
Right. She developed a product (that according to all of them tastes awesome), developed a brand, managed supply and distribution...and these greedy bastards want 30% of her work for peanuts?! Good for her for sticking to her guns!
@@michaelkupfer372370% of something is better than 100% of nothing. 2024 the business is 100k in debt, although she is quite successful based on other ventures.
@@michaelkupfer3723She's crazy for rejecting Sarah's offer. It was an amazing offer and you could clearly see she got completely hung up on the 40% and stopped listening to anything after that. Later on she even said that she didn't understand it. That should tell you a lot about her bussiness acumen. Bad decisions all around
@@tomekk.1889 yeah, bad decisions. This is how she runs a multi-million business. Are you kidding me, give almost half of your work for 50 K, when this means millions in the future?
@prody666 She admitted she didn't need the money and was in there for the expertise of the dragons, so for her to turn down that based on a difference of 5% when she's been so open about not needing the money, is just a poor decision. She's clearly got a lot of good going for her but this experience wasn't one if her better moments.
The exchange between Jo and Sarah on branding is my favourite on the program so far. They were really getting to grips with the issue, rather than doing some pointless power demonstration. Actually if Sarah had accepted the reason behind the branding, Jo might have taken the offer.
When they have an NDA's though, and Dragon's try to force the entrepreneurs to tell them, not sure what they're supposed to do, since they legally can't say
If you’re unwilling or unable to disclose information, don’t go on a TV show when you know (or should know) that you’re going to be asked about it. The TV element isn’t a surprise to them.
The french alcohol 🍷 pitch 1/ she says she wants the expertise then digs her heels in & refuses to budge on saras deal which gives her incredible expertise with the opportunity to get her percentage in time. What does this say about her ability to accept advise ….branding or otherwise once the partnership starts.
The moment when they realise they disclosed the share holder to a big mouth, classic Peter "Oh, The ministry of sound". Your not supposed to say it PETER!..lol.. 32:45 that was a stand off to see who cracks first....
Yeah I agree, I stopped watching Shark tank for this reason...the reason Shark Tank is that way is because it's how the general U.S population prefers television.
It's what her advisor suggested so she wants to listen to them because they are the expert. She doesn't want to risk the unknown by going against the expert who she paid to manage her money.
I think she understood it. I think, at that point, she was feeling regret. Saying she didn’t understand the offer, with that little smirk was a desperate attempt at getting the offer back on the table…
@@josephinerap-del5591 I wasn’t able to explain why she annoyed me and you just explained it perfectly. She heard “40” and stopped listening then when her brain caught up to the rest of what was being said, she tried that coy way of walking back. People who listen selectively, especially during important moments, drive me up the wall.
@@joewas2225 I'm always willing to learn. In what way(s) am I wrong? Patent applications in USA and Europe are public information. The patent application must explain to "someone skilled in the art" how to do/create/etc. what the patent covers. Am I missing something?
The first one was definitely just out for exposure. Wouldn't be shocked that if she would've gotten the 25% offer, the deal would've fallen through in the negotiations after the show.
Deborah normally scrutinises the patent documents very closely, so why be so tight-lipped about it? Just hand the docs to Deborah and let her satisfy her curiousity!
@@VerdeLane Interesting choice from them to be fair if I was looking to go into business with someone them doing something like that would harm the relationship before it even starts
Stephen, your a “social media expert“, how do Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Google, TH-cam, Snapchat’s algorithms work exactly? You don’t know? You’d never invest in these companies because you don’t know? Ok.
You clearly have no idea how business works. These "dragons" try to keep the price of the buyin low, because they want to triple, quadruple their investment (to simply double it would be pointless, Peter Jones said that himself). But they don't respect the Ten thousands of pounds and countless manhours to develope a product, a brand, engange in production and distribution... no they want 30% for peanuts because they are greedy.
18:30 - A magician NEVER reveals the secret to his tricks! I think I would have negotiated with her in private - perhaps walk with her towards the wall and have a semi-private chat about what exactly it is that is patented then go back to the chair and hide what it was to show trust.
The more I see and hear Sara Davies, the more I like her. No bullying, no lessons, no arrogance, and an immediate solid contact with hopeful entrepreneurs in whose products she has confidence. I hope her track record backs up my confidence, but her people skills leave her fellow Dragons in the dust. I hope that this venture works out well for all concerned.
She's a sympathetic dragon . Meaning she will offer a good deal when someone needs it and all others are out.
Agreed. She seems like a lovely, warm person.
She's also in a better shape and with a much more remarkable fashion sense than in her first seasons. Which has nothing to do with anything but it's heartwarming to see anyway.
She's losing money
She’s my favourite to be honest
The clawback for the Cassis pitch being outright rejected was ridiculous. The conditions are normally pretty onerous like "if I get all my money back within a year", but the offer Sarah made should have been very easy to meet. That would tell me she has no confidence in her ability to grow the business.
Yes, the way she clung to her accountant's advice rather than take a punt with people who could have boosted her business and were clearly interested, or at worst, made her life a lot more fun, is beyond me. I don't know what exactly she was expecting to be offered. A solid product and lots of money behind her, but a boring pedestrian approach. If I'd had the opportunity to go into business with this lady, I think it would have been an uphill struggle arguing with her and her "accountant" - sadly!
Later she said she didn't understand it. Actually she didn't even listen the buyback part after she heard 40% which gives an idea about her business acumen.
I don’t think she understood the offer
@@simplicityseekeronroadthat happens when you don’t listen. She was so fixated on the high initial percentage that she didn’t allow herself to ‘understand’ the very simple conditions
I wonder of she had other investors and could give more than 25%
Jo was clearly there just to advertise her wine and was never going to take an offer. She clearly had her own capital to put into the business.
Hmm I think she was just clearly in over her head, clearly naive and ignorant.
Yes was so obvious haha. Very clever from her though
Tbf she would have accepted 25% but the dragons were being tight
The business has pretty much been a flop since then.
That first one was pain. If all five of them have essentially come up with the exact same figure, then that's what it's worth. They come up with their figures independently of each other.
They often match each other offers.
Yes makes me think that if a lady like this can make a business with 250k-1M$ net profit per year then I can too
Jo was a butt.
So she walzes in not needing money but saying she needs expertise, and then dismissing the input of the expert dragons.
Looks like what she really wanted was some free advertisement
She needed expertise in selling her product, not tips on the packaging or branding
@@michaelkupfer3723 those two things can be vital in selling a product
Its pointless to go on a public tv show asking for money if you don't want to be transparent.
Who invests in anything with no information 😂
a lot of people if you have net 3mln annually, then dragons dont care about other information
Taxes. She is obviously using accountants to minimize taxes, it’s a liability to mention the finances on television.
Sometimes they don't go in with any plan to raise capital. It's a free advert.
It means nothing without all of the figures. @@UnknownUnrecognized
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The first one was only on for the exposure for her business. She already had a successful business selling to multiple international brands. She absolutely could have used some of that money to jump start the drinks scheme.
That first lady was bonkers.
Im not sure she actually knew what she was doing there. The look on all the dragon's faces when they realized nothing they said was going through
Right. She developed a product (that according to all of them tastes awesome), developed a brand, managed supply and distribution...and these greedy bastards want 30% of her work for peanuts?! Good for her for sticking to her guns!
@@michaelkupfer372370% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
2024 the business is 100k in debt, although she is quite successful based on other ventures.
@@michaelkupfer3723She's crazy for rejecting Sarah's offer. It was an amazing offer and you could clearly see she got completely hung up on the 40% and stopped listening to anything after that. Later on she even said that she didn't understand it. That should tell you a lot about her bussiness acumen. Bad decisions all around
@@tomekk.1889 yeah, bad decisions. This is how she runs a multi-million business. Are you kidding me, give almost half of your work for 50 K, when this means millions in the future?
@prody666 She admitted she didn't need the money and was in there for the expertise of the dragons, so for her to turn down that based on a difference of 5% when she's been so open about not needing the money, is just a poor decision. She's clearly got a lot of good going for her but this experience wasn't one if her better moments.
The exchange between Jo and Sarah on branding is my favourite on the program so far. They were really getting to grips with the issue, rather than doing some pointless power demonstration. Actually if Sarah had accepted the reason behind the branding, Jo might have taken the offer.
13:42 "Took courage to refuse the offers" - That wasn't courage. That was stupidity.
Peter wanted code XD like he understands it lol
Lol
When they have an NDA's though, and Dragon's try to force the entrepreneurs to tell them, not sure what they're supposed to do, since they legally can't say
They will tell if they will break or abide by their NDA.
"The other investors are really good people and totally trustworthy, that's all you need to know"
Everybody is trustworthy. Until they're not.
Not go on Dragons Den
If you’re unwilling or unable to disclose information, don’t go on a TV show when you know (or should know) that you’re going to be asked about it. The TV element isn’t a surprise to them.
The french alcohol 🍷 pitch
1/ she says she wants the expertise then digs her heels in & refuses to budge on saras deal which gives her incredible expertise with the opportunity to get her percentage in time. What does this say about her ability to accept advise ….branding or otherwise once the partnership starts.
That was COLD from peter jones 😂
haha peter revealing MOS, he must have done that deliberately, and they looked worried.
32:46 what a bell
The second one… You don’t need a product to find out the appropriate wake window for your child.
The way Peter just reveals the Shareholders despite the guys saying we cant put this on TV just made me burst out laughing
The moment when they realise they disclosed the share holder to a big mouth, classic Peter "Oh, The ministry of sound". Your not supposed to say it PETER!..lol.. 32:45 that was a stand off to see who cracks first....
Guys hands in the last pitch be like
🙏👐🙏👐🙏👐🙌👐
Peter is such a little grass lol
Nice. MUCH less cringeworthy than Shark Tank. Can I watch this in the US?
It's on BBC and BBC iplayer, so maybe with a vpn you could?
On TV? No I dont think so
You can find it free online 123 series
Shark tank is so fake and over the top. Our original version is much better
Yeah I agree, I stopped watching Shark tank for this reason...the reason Shark Tank is that way is because it's how the general U.S population prefers television.
13:00 I don't understand why so few people go into that room with a firm stop price.
And I can't believe that these guys don't understand the concept.
It's what her advisor suggested so she wants to listen to them because they are the expert. She doesn't want to risk the unknown by going against the expert who she paid to manage her money.
The first woman seemed incredibly difficult to work with, far too secretive with little justification for it.
She Didn’t understand the one offer she even said it herself. I’m surprised they didn’t explain it for her
Whats to explain. Its obvious.
Ask her?
I think she understood it. I think, at that point, she was feeling regret. Saying she didn’t understand the offer, with that little smirk was a desperate attempt at getting the offer back on the table…
Didn’t think of it that way that’s possible for sure
@@josephinerap-del5591 I wasn’t able to explain why she annoyed me and you just explained it perfectly. She heard “40” and stopped listening then when her brain caught up to the rest of what was being said, she tried that coy way of walking back. People who listen selectively, especially during important moments, drive me up the wall.
When will these people learn if you’re gonna go on the telly and ask for money then you need to disclose every single thing about yourselves!!!!
That first individual screwed up so badly. Literally the worst decisions from an Entrepreneur I've ever seen in the tank.
The tank?
In America the show is called Shark Tank
why her company is doing well with out a dragon
How? She was there for exposure & not a deal.
The Second Lady was hounded for trying to keep her secret . The dragons were a bit annoyed she didn’t want to tell them
If she has filed a patent application then all the details are public information. She obviously does not understand the system. That would worry me.
@@brussels13207
100% wrong
@@joewas2225 I'm always willing to learn. In what way(s) am I wrong? Patent applications in USA and Europe are public information. The patent application must explain to "someone skilled in the art" how to do/create/etc. what the patent covers. Am I missing something?
The technology she's talking about is probably the same we see in cars now . Algorithms based on road line's , steering , eyes etc
"There's too many websites out there so we want you to invest in another."
She won’t say what else the baby thing checks. It’s plainly obvious. Breathing rate. An indication of fatigue.
26:09 "and I am... A SURGEON!"
I believe this. So you must be right.
If you don't want to disclose information THEN DO NOT GO ON TV.
Jesus
I would 10% of both business, because get my knowledge to take both businesses to next level
The biggest one which should have been on here was Eddie with his heaters. He hacked the dragons right off by withholding information
The first one was definitely just out for exposure. Wouldn't be shocked that if she would've gotten the 25% offer, the deal would've fallen through in the negotiations after the show.
The first lady is just insufferable.
Lost the dragons due to one trait. Stubborn to the point of illogic
Deborah normally scrutinises the patent documents very closely, so why be so tight-lipped about it? Just hand the docs to Deborah and let her satisfy her curiousity!
Sara is the best..love 2 you..
Jo did very well
Jo doesn’t need the money she’s a posh farmer she sounds like Princess Anne .. she’s not bothered take it or leave it ..
Self Note: last pitch among the 3, app based on commisions offer.
First one to this day I have no idea. Why she didn't take Sarah's offer.
Baffling, strange and crazy.
I have no idea how you don't see the obvious why she didn't take any offer.
Tick just like her accountant🙄🤦🏻♂️
Why don't they just wrote down on paper and ask the dragons not to reveal it?
they have no obligations to keep it secret, hence why peter just said it
Dragons aren't legally bound to not reveal the information. Theyd just bkurt it out, I've seen do that before. The panel isnt your friend
😆 🤣 😂
@@VerdeLane Interesting choice from them to be fair if I was looking to go into business with someone them doing something like that would harm the relationship before it even starts
How come Sara didn’t go up and hug the To to creator? Was this during Covid?
Yes ,any time they don't hug or shake hands is because of covid
I think that was nasty of Peter Joned to disclose the shareholder.
The second one all that interrogation about the technology- they can do all that post offer.
Stephen, your a “social media expert“, how do Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Google, TH-cam, Snapchat’s algorithms work exactly? You don’t know? You’d never invest in these companies because you don’t know? Ok.
accountants arent entrepreneurs
Well done did you have to Google that?
@@4500KneeGrow😂😂😂
You clearly have no idea how business works. These "dragons" try to keep the price of the buyin low, because they want to triple, quadruple their investment (to simply double it would be pointless, Peter Jones said that himself). But they don't respect the Ten thousands of pounds and countless manhours to develope a product, a brand, engange in production and distribution... no they want 30% for peanuts because they are greedy.
That's correct. Mechanics aren't surgeons.
The last guys what tools
I think any the dragon should make up their minds because they drink that drink 😅😅😅
18:30 - A magician NEVER reveals the secret to his tricks! I think I would have negotiated with her in private - perhaps walk with her towards the wall and have a semi-private chat about what exactly it is that is patented then go back to the chair and hide what it was to show trust.
You can't on Dragon's Den. Everything has to be on air
why do the dragons all pretend to be virtually reliant on alcohol
They think it makes them edgy
First woman was there for the advertisement, nothing more
1st one made a big mistake
was the first woman's financial advisor her husband by any chance?
Get a haircut, new wardrobe, the software code and come back. I’m out.
Get a life, we’re money oriented business people
That geyser thinks he’s clever, knew him when he was peddling ganja on the streets of Manchester
She’s lost a lot of weight,
With the second one... Why is no one asking about the BIOMETRIC DATA COLLECTION OF CHILDREN!!??
EDIT: Correction
Greedy dragons. Do they actually think they are the only ones who make money ???
I don't like this kind of thought. 1 business is up for debate not the other. So what? Nasty greedy dragons.
4:35 - 4:43 Sarah getting her rocks off on a strong drink 🍷 . Nice
You can tell this is BBC based REPEAT AFTER REPEAT
she doesn't deserve any investment if she thinks she is smart
Shocking tattoos.
Ethereum 🎉
Why
@@DeadSetOnDestructionStealing your money
Toff versus the Den!
That Jo... Bit of a clown
What a dick for Peter to reveal the shareholder. Lost all respect for him there