Is the Tattoo Industry Divided? | Tattoo Artists React
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- The tattooing industry is evolving at lightning speed, causing a divide between the older generation of tattoo veterans and the kids just starting their careers. Arguments spring up over almost anything-the type of equipment one uses, the way people should break into the industry, how one should (or shouldn’t) use social media, etc. Our panel of artists take on the subject of old school vs. new school.
What’s a positive change that you’ve seen in the tattoo industry? What’s an old tradition that you wish would come back? Let us know in the comments!
Inked has rounded up all of your favorite tattooers for another season of Tattoo Artists React. This season we’ll be asking them about the first tattoo that they ever did, what they think about name tattoos and we’ll find out if they can identify celebrities by their tattoos. You’ll watch them rip into some of the worst tattoos on Earth and laugh until your sides out as they tell us about the worst clients they’ve ever had to deal with. It’s going to be a season filled with excitement, hilarity and even the occasional tear. New episodes will be posted every Friday.
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This season’s stars:
Aaron Is. / aaronistattoo
Angel Rose / theangelrose
Bob Jones / badcaseofpurpose
Boneface / bonefaceink
Britt Whitman / brittxwhitman
Cam Pohl / campohltattoos
Creepy Jason / creepy_jason
Elva Stefanie / theelvastefanie
Evan Olin / evanolintattoo
Fabio Fontinelle / fabiofontinelle
Frank Ready III / readytattooart
Gian Karle / giankarle
Gianna Phillips / giannaphillips
Grilla the Dog / grillathedog
Holli Marie / hollimarieart
Hunmin Ji / hunminji
Jaded Moon / jadedmoontattoos
Jimmy Snaz / jimmy_snaz
Joe Smith / tat2joe777
Josh Payne / joshpaynetattoo
Katie McGowan / katietattoos
Kelly Doty / kellydotylovessoup
Laura Marie / tattoosbylauramarie
Mark Longenecker / marklongenecker
Melise Hill / melisehilltattoo
Mike McAskill / mikemcaskilltattoo
Mikhail Andersson / mikhailandersson
Oba Jackson / omoori
Poch / poch_tattoos
Robbie Rippoll / robbieripoll
Scotty Whitaker / scotty_whitaker
Zack Hunter / southpawtattoos
I get the old school attitude but no one wants to sweep a floor for two years just to maybe get a chance to learn
Is that how it once was?
@@9pathNick yup.
tattoo or dont, im not gonna sweep a floor for some butt as hurt legendary has been, times are changing.
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I agree but it was the og way to teach discipline and an opportunity for the "student" to examine and learn how to communicate and business without being the center of attention and/or trying to juggle with that huge responsibility.
Theaterm I find that a lot of people just used that as an excuse to get free labor, the guy that taught my bro was the same way. There’s also quite a bit of jealousy I’ve noticed too, once he started seeing that my bro was getting better than him he stopped showing him stuff. It also happened at a shop he worked at too, he was doing better work than the owner and it lead to arguments and my bro having to quit that shop and open his own
I’m an apprentice now. And there are many old skool tattooists local to me who HATE apprentices and any new talent. I get it, they had it harder they started it all, mad respect, but at the same time you’ve got to move with the times or be left behind
It's not just the "artists" we all find you insufferable. You lack grit, and probably talent. Just saw it on TV and thought, "I can do THAT!"
Difference of earning your apprenticeship then coming through an apprentice factory. A lot of apprentices I know are entitled and privileged only wanting to do THEIR art style even though you should do many because that’s how you earn experience and understand your trade....
wanting others to suffer because you did is fucked, and honestly if that's their attitude, I'd think twice
Lady Rias tbf the artists on here are quite entitled including the older artists so...
Does it make any difference how long you've been in the industry? Now you've got another year and kinda earned your stripes are they any less hateful?
“What’s up fellow young people” why is Kelly the best 😂😭
She talks about them just doing old school tattoos but all she does is shitty new school that looks like really bad cartoons
@@wickedkaos85 chill
I got last week my very first tattoo. The artist is 22 I think and he is tattoing for only 3 years (Demus Bogdan is his name). I choose him because I love his art. I had no idea how young he really is. (He found it funny. that I am with 52 the same age as his mother is). He made me a whole sleeve. It is amazing. What strikes me most is, that he did not the designs I originally wanted, he made the diesigns which fits me, my ideas and his style the best. And he was right. I love every piece of art he created.
It's great that you were open to his changes! Many clients are so stiff and won't budge on design, even if it wouldn't fit them well.
I give my artist complete freedom and all my art has turned out terrific!! When you give them that freedom, that art really blossoms because their not so intent on getting the tattoo EXACTLY how you want it. GOOD on you for being open minded for your first tattoo, regardless of age!! Congrats! It was well earned, Sir!🙏
That's really awesome, and I'm sure he appreciates it as much as yourself! I gotta say though, a sleeve as a first tattoo strikes me as p risky lol. I'm glad you won the gamble tho.
@@RM-TheOctoroon same here man, and I don't see why anyone would do it differently. I give the general idea but outside that I'm not the artist here, as long as I like the sketch I'm good to go. Hasn't failed me yet.
Please let Laura talk. It seems every time she’s on with Cam she doesn’t get a chance to speak. She’s so good, I would like to hear what she has to say in many of these videos.
YES! They should put Dani Ryan with her.
Yes! She always sits next to him looking she's looking for a gap to get in and talk, but she never gets it.
@@TheSkyHazCloudz she dating em😂 she likes em
She’s better than cam too
It's an open conversation. Speak up, its that simple. She has no problem talking in other videos, to me it seems she didn't want to say anything because she disagreed with what he said 😂
4:19 Watching Laura’s facial expressions every time Cam is talking tells such a story. She’s very good at holding her tongue but I wish we could hear her talk more she clearly has a lot to say.
She's just extremely manipulative, she doesn't have anything to say she just gives the impression she's been cut off so it looks like she does.
5:44 “you BETTER not be wack nowadays!” HA! 😂😂😂
That was oddly inspirational as an aspiring tattoo artists lol
I love this video. It's very informative and I feel that these artists definitely have a clear understanding of what they're talking about.
@Pavor ummm... I don't think I understand what you're talking about.
@Pavor they were literally asked about it relax
.......until the guy says "you dont even have to be good, just know how to talk to people".......I'm great with people, you do not want me putting any drawing on you that will last a lifetime.
Pavor what are you even talking about
I really like Josh's point of view. He is not mad at the fact that new artists are getting more advantages than he and others had and doesn't want them to get a bad experience from it. He is just happy that the tattoo industry and culture is growing and thriving
"You can't stop the wheel of time" - Kelly doty
Shit is woke
Every time Cam makes one of his debatable comments and I see Laura’s face I don’t know if she likes him or hates him
I hate it, when they're like: I had a shit apprenticeship, I was treated like a slave, so everyone else shut have to experience that too.
I had a shitty apprenticeship, I get through it and I'm absolutely for training on the job. But I don't want that to happen to anyone else.
It's this whole "I had to walk 5 miles to school everyday" shit all over again.
*"...uphill, through the snow" 😂
Yes, there are those that tattoo over the nipples and those that avoid them completely. There needs to be some serious systemic change
Or clients who don't want their nipple touched?
@@ConnorAE Depending on placement of the tattoo, the artist might have to touch your girl's nipples, you'll get over it. Would you rather have her with a tattoo with errors because the artist couldnt stretch the skin properly, "because you, the bf, didnt want her nipples touched." If that's an issue with you, then choose another placement for the piece if modesty or jealousy is an issue. Out of the 1000s of hours spent in a shop, I've NEVER heard another client yell out for an artist being inappropriate. There's already so much competition, there's no room for error or that kind of treatment because there's so many "famous" artists out here, bedside manner during tattoos is #1 in the shop I hang at.
Robert Miller oh so only girls have nipples, I did not know that 🤔
@@faaaa__ Mind you Ive spent 1000s of hours in a tattoo shop, and I've NEVER heard the words from a MAN getting tattooed, "Hey artist sir, can you please not touch my nipples when you're tattooing my chest?" LMMFAO!!!! He/She would probably( seriously) get laughed right out of the shop!! Little big man wants a tattoo but afraid to get his nipples brushed against? WTF? Serious? They wear gloves, have you tried to feel nipples through those? Yeah, you cant even tell it's a nipple! It's not like he/she would be like, yeah I just touched some nipple! Lol if you think as a client, that you you know what the artist is thinking, you're crazy. He/she is probably thinking of the execution of the tattoo and NOT YOU. That's just narcissistic and tattooist have seen it all, you're really are no one special. I'm gonna show this one to the shop on Saturday about a MAN needing nipple protectors while getting tattooed these days!! Lol. Times have gotten pathetic (as in sad) in the tattoo world and I'd hate to lay blame (millineals), but the proof is in the pudding.
Robert Miller I’m pretty sure they meant if the client would prefer the tattoo to cover their nipples or if it’s their preference to leave them blank, not LITERALLY touching them with their hands or arms 🤨 but go off I guess 🙄
My original tattooer I found was an apprentice. I really liked her. She did a great back piece. I told her what I liked and let her run with it & design it how she wanted. I paid over 1k & was super happy. I went back to her after her apprenticeship finished with a new idea. She told me that idea was “boring” & not interesting and suggested other stuff she would be “willing” to do. I found a new dude & have been with him ever since. He has done 3 amazing tats & never belittles my ideas. He takes them, & creates beautiful art.
Lol an apprentice did your back? And $1k lolol. Well at least you got some upvotes because this sounds insane.
@@felix-ve8jk not sure why but whatever
@@NopeJustMe wouldnt have an apprentice do a back piece. That usually comes with experience. Thats a lot of real estate and apprentices should be doing small stuff.
@@felix-ve8jk great for you. I wasn’t her first tattoo. She did great. I am pleased. Cheers
@@NopeJustMe you're pleased until you went back and everything else she said about your ideas was boring and not interesting. you got a budget back piece. Idk what your story has to do with the video other than having an apprentice in it. Apprentices shouldn't be doing back pieces.
Why did you guys start bleeping? ....and it's totally inconsistent.... every once in a while, a shit goes by unbleeped
I want to know when they started blurring nipples too
Mike Billa I think they’re just trying not to get demobilized
@@nastylittlecritter Yeah they're prob trying to make money off this youtube. But they're also pussying out hardcore.
It's youtube stuff. They started really coming down hard on anything that basically couldn't be run on daytime television in the US. Inked probably is just trying to keep their vids at the top of the searches.
It's called demonetization
Laura looks so uncomfortable sitting next to cam.
Aaron Is has the most accurate POV. Up to 2004-7 (my apprenticeship), our equipment environment was garbage: there was NO innovation in equipment til 2010-ish and that was INDUSTRY wide from since the 90's when I first started getting tattoos and started getting friends in the industry. To tattoo at the level from entry to the level I could at year 2, is much easier now days than it is currently... BUT that's the natural projection of the future of any industry. My favorite part of the 2004-2007 is not having instagram, google images, and pinterest LOL, I feel sorry for friends now days. Remember when BMEZine (because I had a 10lb laptop with free internet, before ATT used to CHARGE for tethering) and reference encyclopedias were the only way (because of my mentor and a library 5 minute walk from first shop).
Tired of older people bitching about the evolution of technology. You don't see them walking everywhere and living in a hut with no electricity.
Happens to every generation, it will happen to you as well.
@@noahsult3178 may
"You betta not be whack nowadays!"
Nuff said!
I think it’s unfair how the older tattoo artist seem to have such a selfish mentality. All I heard was woe is me, I swept a shop for 2 years and was treated like a servant before I could even pick up a machine so all of you new artist should do the same 🙄. No there is nothing wrong with getting an apprenticeship some people are gifted with legit natural talent that can only flourish if they push themselves. Art is such a broad and open field a creative person can really hone in on their skills when they find something they are inspired by. Thanks to social media It’s no longer a big deal if they suck at portraits but are amazing new school artist because now their portfolios have a broader reach and will attract the proper customers.
Agreed. Wanting others to suffer just because they did is pretty fucked up!
I think there's an important middle ground here. Apprenticeships aren't just about making the apprentice suffer. You need to be a part of the shop you are joining, which includes things like sweeping the floors and cleaning the bathrooms, and all the other stuff that isn't art but is required of the business. Just coming in as some super talented diva that only makes art is going to be a recipe for disaster. When you have your own shop and can just pay people to do that stuff, that's when you can choose to just make art. As far as choosing to only tattoo one style, again there's a middle ground. If I go to an artist and want to have a style that is mixed or has influences from another style, they're going to be ill-prepared to do that. I personally want someone who can at least dabble in other styles while specializing in one.
All of you inspire me to be different. Thank you
Interesting when they were commenting about folks tattooing intricate detailed totally realistic stuff on skin - when perhaps it would be better served as a painting/drawing on canvas because the quality of the picture won't last on the human body.
Yeah. That's one of the interesting things that shows the distinction of being a great artist and a great tattoo artist, knowing what will or won't hold up over time and what maybe good subject matter in one art may not be good tattoo subject matter.
really interesting hearing these perspectives on old school vs new school. its practically the same sort of thing chefs have been dealing with the last decade or two. and although i agree with the comments about progress being inevitable and not hating on new talent because technology has made it so much easier for people to succeed, i also think its really important to respect history and tradition, because there's a lot to be learned from the old guys. standing on the shoulder of giants and all that.
Its been shifting for a while the problem is these kids think there is money to be made eventually and there just isnt anything but more work tattooing is growing restaurants are dying
What perfect timing! I'm doing my undergraduate research on this 🙏
Paul Booth would have been a good one to ask on this subject 🙂
ya but most of the "Cry babies" wouldnt have likes his opinion lol.
I love this. Each of these guys are awesome and they are so right
There’s actually a similar thing in modern jazz, old school vs. new school.
There was a book of compiled jazz standards made in the 70s (I believe) called a fake book, made by people at berklee college of music. If someone was legit enough to get a fake book (or if their teacher told the seller “he’s cool”) then you were in. But in the mid 2000s the permissions were bought by the Hal Leonard Corporation and they started making “The Real Book,” a legal version of the fake book.
So nowadays in jazz jam sessions, it’s standard to memorize EVERY song in the book in that key, and to be ready to play any time. If you have to ask “what key are we playing in” they’ll probably tell you “the normal one” to test you to see if you’re up to snuff. And God forbid if you actually take out a Real Book at a jam session; you’d lose all credibility for a good long while.
I find the parallels here interesting. Great video!
I think one of the things I've most noticed, and it could be moving down the eastern seaboard, but the artists I knew 30 years ago really bought into the hardass biker like (some rode, some didn't) lifestyle. They thought nothing of taking offence at perceived slights and doing violence or having 'friends' do it for them (free tattoo, just pound this guy). Folks today seem friendlier, more mellow.
There is nothing wrong with Tattoo Flash or American Traditional Tattooing, I find there is a high degree of tattoo snobbery and contempt from them regarding other forms of tattooing other than what they specialize in. If whatever their specialty is goes out of style (think 90s Tribal) they may have trouble adapting to other styles of tattoos, so it's best for tattoo artists be able to do at least some basic traditional tattooing as a starting point if something like that happens happens. There is always going to be a market for Traditional Designs, they have had a nearly 200 year legacy that's still going to this day. I am getting a Sailor Jerry piece next month, my artist will not just copy the flash but give it modern bright colors and correct an anatomical problem in the original. Just because a tattoo design is old doesn't mean it not worthy because it's not completely custom drawn from scratch--the ability to customize older designs to the client verifies an artist is just not a xerox machine.
Thomas Santomartino p
"we had to read books!"
And yet half of them keep repeating they can't spell for shit... Oh, the irony.
@@AudreyLudlow well, dysgraphia and dyslexia are separate disorders so a person can be okay at reading but horrible at writing or the other way around, these things are really common among artists as well. Also, reading a lot doesn't always help one become good at writing, especially if their memory isn't photographic so no, there is no irony there
@@miglek9613 Oh, my bad. I didn't know you needed photographic memory to learn how to spell words. We must be all geniuses then! Also, reading does actually help with learning how to spell words, but it's pretty obvious they did not bother. Stop making excuses for people you don't even know lmao.
This argument exists in the art world too. So many people are making digital works or Instagram worthy works but they have no technical foundation. No artistic education. Honestly tons of tattoos are crap because it's clear the tattooer dosent actually know how to draw! To understand negative space and color theory, let alone the challenges of tattooing skinwhich must be wild!
“Have you ever met a tattooer half of them are crazy” after that they should have Paul booth laugh
I’ve been a cosmetologist for twenty two years and I completely understand everything their saying. I once had an out of school girl tell me she was a color specialist and didn’t do perms ........... and I was like ya we don’t do that here. You do everything that comes in.
Oba Jackson has got one of the dopest beards I have ever seen 100% top notch ✌️💚🤘
love this commentary- awesome topic
Its kind of similar in engineering now. I came up working under an engineer doing all the grunt work and I worked my way up. But now people want to just go to school and come out a full fledged engineer before they've even built anything.
7:41 the best story on Inked EVER! ♥♥♥
Can Kelly and Britt be in every video you guys make?
1:38
My first tattoo was off the wall. I had no intention of getting a tattoo so I was just looking at them and one stood out and I was like "I need this".
I actually met the friend of the guy who drew the image I got tattooed while at work. It was a pretty cool experience.
If you watched that show Miami ink, it shows how old school treat apprentices like shit, not cool and I was military as well. You do not have to disrespect your underling to get them to work.
I mean younger guys are pretentious
I agree with everything said in this video. It's truly turned into a "to each their own" industry & a lot of artist new & old want to hide with in their comfort zone & reinforce their bubble by using terms like loyal to the coil, bold holds to protect themselves from having to reach outside their zone. I avoid portraits but have done about everything else for the past 16yrs.
What’s the worst place you tattooed
@@9pathNick Assuming you mean on a persons body. I would normally say someone's junk Male or female. It's not that its genitals as much as the skin being more difficult softer normally thinner. In saying that I can also tell you a persons body type can effect a persons skin. Making some fat womans tit or gelatinous canned ham upper arm can present just as many huddles, no matter how the exectution is approached. It's called having to work a half inch at a time.
Joe Smith always makes me laugh, that voice and they way he talks would never get connected to the tattoos. Super authentic, love it.
I’m really thankful for my old school mentor. He’s taught me not only how to tattoo but to appreciate the art of tattooing and have a deep respect for it like he does. This might not be a popular opinion, but I’m happy to work hard and earn my right to tattoo. Yeah the constant cleaning and razzing can get to you sometimes, but you’ll appreciate it so much more to reach those milestones in your apprenticeship when you learn something new and you’re that much closer to your license. It’s also taught me to have a tough skin for potentially rude or obnoxious clients.
Kari Barba owns my local tattoo shop! Glad they mentioned her! Hope to get tattooed by her some day.
Damn I just really like this editing man
I thought this was gonna be a debate about face tattoos. But yeah, I feel like this applies to just about everything nowadays. There's way more readily accessible information out there and the technology has made it way easier to get into. On one hand thats a good thing on the other it's not because people don't really take the time to perfect their craft before making it big. I definitely think there's a lot to be said for paying dues.
Well, new cast ain’t that bad.
I think there is a division in the industry with how specialized artists are nowadays. You have tier 0 artists such as Nikko, Dmitri Samohin, Yomico, Carlos Torres, Jess Yen, Rember, Steve Butcher, Roman, Sandra Dauksta, Sergio Sanchez, David Vega, Justin Hartman who are the top of top at the moment in their styles. Then you have the veterans like Paul Booth, Robert Hernandez, Hori, Victor Portugal, Guy Ak.. Then you have the new artists from Russia, Estonia, Finland, Sweden, New Zeland who are killing it with their color realism.
Omg I almost didn't recognise Katie. Congrats for the weight loss and transformation. You are soooo beautiful 😍
If you’re trying to come up as a artist who doesn’t have the time or opportunity to become an apprentice just keep doing the thing, the only people you need to please at the end of the day is your clients and not the industry’s ego
Loved this one!
Laura hatessss him lol. I just watch her face as he talks and it’s entertaining as hell.
What a well-timed zoom on poch!
2:40 great wizard hat. I want it.
"You better not be wack now days!" 🤣
Idk why the buff guy in the green shirt infuriated me
I think my biggest issue with what I hear people describe about the "old school" method of becoming a tattoo artist, is that a huge part of the experience just ends up sounding like abuse. Some people even use words that are synonyms for abuse - ie hazing, notably, but others as well. Completely separate from tattooing, we have a bunch of evidence and studies about how abuse compounds in people, and that marginalized people are A, less likely to purposefully put themselves in abusive situations by choice, and B, that marginalized people are more likely to be forced into abusive situations. All that wrapping around to say, I imagine, that part of the reason why old school tattoo artists are mostly white men, with a smattering of white women, is because of that.
Anyways. I have nothing against working an apprenticeship where I am paid for my labour, even completely inane and weird, tasks and shit. But it is an invasion of consent to force somebody to tattoo themself //unless they want to//, it is abusive to lock people in bathrooms or to scare them //unless they ask for that//, it is unfair to require an apprentice to spend their own money on you //unless they offer//, and having an industry that has that much history of abuse and possibility for abuse is unhealthy and needs to be changed, from the ground up. And I feel like what I hear and see from people trained in the "new school" method is just that. Accountability, pay for labour, consent, and treating people with respect first.
((I have a lot less to say about people who teach themself off of youtube or what have you - I have some weird ass friends who get into some weird ass nonsense, and I have literally never met somebody who did this, and of the "new school" tattooers I've met/know, none of them have done this. So. *shrug*))
Exactly. Some "old schoolers" really have to look up at job rules now and the "new schoolers" need to denounce abuse if it happens. It just needs to stop because we went from a service of modification to an art service, and we know how artists rarely thrive in abusive situations.
Too woke kid
"you better be the shit today!" Hahahaha I love that.
To add to what many said... And getting tattoos is so much more common and popular than it was in old school artists days. That's why so many people can just jump into the art and it only takes a few years to get a reputation. Even the shop I go to that has been around for 25+ years has several newer artists because there is such a need to keep up with demand.
Seriously Inked up with some heat lately
Loved this video
We had to read books...
This video is amazing
I’m not in a classical apprenticeship per say, I have a studio that lets me come in and tattoo if there is place and they let me watch them work, which is more than what a lot of people get to do where I live. I also tattoo from home but rest assured it’s in a really clean place. I’ve only gone for three months but I am way better then some of the local shops where I live. And that’s thanks too me finding my way of tattooing trial and error on my leg etc. we got so much information at our fingertips and so good pigments and what not so the old heads need to get out their ass
One thing I’ve noticed about younger tatto artists is they’d REM to have no idea about how tattoos will age on the future.
well ya thats why they only post their fresh tattoos on social media, wouldnt you love to see a lot of this great work after its been healed for a year or two? but nope they never want any part of that and when people post how bad some of these tattoos healed later the artist gets all mad about it and blames the client or ignores it all together. i wonder why that is? almost as if the artist that have been tattooing for a decade or more have a better understanding of what will and will not hold up over time. nobody is keeping that information secret or anything that is information that any good tattooer will freely share with anyone that ask im very sure about that, its just that these art school kids dont want to hear it or get past the fact that some "art" while great is not a good idea when it comes to tattooing.
You should have artist talk about the new robot tattoo machines that are being made
Yeaah that sounds like such a bad idea. Imagine they didn't test run it enough and the needle turns into a final destination trap
It is very hyped to be a tattoo artist these days and like every trend out there...in few years it will not be a trend anymore since the "new generation" of artist will cross the hype and will realize that tattooing is actually...really...hard profession.
This question should be asked each season.
"It's not even the tattoos that matter, you don't even have to be a good tattoo artist"... Um what?! 🧐😂
I think because many people view tattooing as art and it is, and art comes in all styles. I went to art school as a illustration major so I can draw well, who's to say I cant put that on someones body. Yes it doesn't look like traditional tattooing but thats okay, you can still love and respect that older style but it should be fair game to tattoo any look that you like. If people want your art style on there body, fuck yeah give the people what they want.
Also more fine artist are wanting to be tattoo artist and hate to break it to ya men but women beat men everyday of the week when it comes to numbers. Most classes will be all female and then maybe one or two male students. Art schools are made up of primarily women.
I also want to get into the industry right, so im working jobs that pay well so I can save up a lot of money so I can properly afford an apprenticeship and survive. I have the option of well paying jobs but my passion lies in the love of tattoos and want to go down that road.
I always wondered about why there is a divide in this. I get the opposite reactions because I didn’t go to an art school (although I want to eventually) but I apprenticed under my father with drawing and oil painting. I get judged not by my drawing but by my form of education. Like I’m not worth anything without a $5000 piece of paper on my wall. Turns out my brother who went to art school pretty much is on similar footing to me at skill and our education is both different. So I am wanting to know if it truly is preservation of a culture and the art of tattooing as a craft or disdain of the the fast generation that wants everything now and has the majority of the resources at their disposal? (Time is money mentality.) There are schools which are “Learn in One Weekend” which I think is a little... odd... Which is nearly not enough as of in depth training. (I’ve been training as a student nail technician for a year now with longer time than the 4 day classes. Which there seems to also be a divide on it with self taught vs one weekend vs one year+) Also, I don’t get the whole “sweeping the floors and cleaning up” kinda thing. A ton of industries do this, construction makes you learn mixing and the basic work for everyone in seniority, nail shops make you “float” for everyone who is with a client in spa settings, the p*rn industry... well you get it. It’s not like if you don’t have your own shop you don’t have to clean up your own stuff to the legal regulations of your area. So I don’t see the big deal out of literally starting from the ground to understand every operational aspect of the industry. I mean if you are beginning and you can’t clean shit properly or understand the spore testing of your autoclave as the person designated to do that (apprentice or not) one mess up can shut down the whole place if health and safety sees a pot job done. I am wondering if there is a full in depth study on the two different social sides of the tattooing industry or not. Seriously asking questions because I am fascinated. (Just an enthusiast and independent learner right now. Honestly I am having to most fun learning about how cool machines are built at the moment...) Also why is there a whole “white guy” thing with older tattoo generations. Honestly asking because I’m not white and all I knew was Asian stick and poke culture and cultural body modification. (Oblivious.) Also is there a divide in those who use digital vs traditional media for drawing out their designs for a client? This seems to be a bit of an argument in fine arts culture too so I am wondering if the tattoo industry is seeing the same argument?
Interesting, seems like there are a lot of parallels to what's happening in the music industry right now
The only industry that still thinks unpaid apprenticeships are acceptable
Molotoval ehhh that’s in every field man.
That’s in any red seal trade, speaking from experience
Definitely not the only industry that thinks that
The STEM industry still does this too sadly
I felt so comfortable going to my artist knowing that she wasn’t an intense old school skulls and roses “traditional” artist that can feel super intimidating. She’s lh.tattoo on Instagram and she does such beautiful illustrative work that is only possible in an evolving industry
I love that Gian has his doggo there. So stinking adorable.
Oba Jackson give strong Captain Holt vibes!
Yes, change my mind
What are the pad things some of the dudes have on their legs?
I mean if I can crank out a killer outline on an iPad to make a good stencil it just makes sense. Work smarter not harder. If the client wants to make changes things can be tweaked much faster.
Have any of you done a cover-up of a tattoo that you originally created? How do you feel about it?
9:15 does that dude have the Hunt: Showdown logo tattooed on his face?! Fucking dope!
I will bring ideas to a tattoo artist and work with them to design something I will love. They know the craft and how things will flow, I don’t.
I like the censured words like a censured tattoos.
I'm not a tattoo artist but always loved tattoos and used to read tattoo magazine back during the 90s and even around that same time was randomly offered an apprenticeship in a street shop by someone simply because they knew I was good at drawing lol. I didnt want it as the thought of being stuck in a shop all day tattooing shitty 90s flash art and dealing with public was a big "thanks but no thanks" Still would be today despite how much appreciation i have for the craft and how much its progressed since then and just how much money you can make also compared to then, Just not something I dont think I could ever do and be happy doing, as much as I love art
I like that phrase loyal to the coil
It's the gatekeeping from the 'old' school train of thought that I hate.
Do Cam and Wizard Hat Guy have a black pad over their leg because of logos or because they have inappropriate tattoos. I’ve noticed it in most of their appearances. Just wondering
“Ferrari makes a better car that Toyota” ehhh, comparing JDM to European exotics is a dangerous line
he's referring to design and aesthetics more than anything. toyota hasnt made a truly beautiful car since the mark IV supra. ferrari has always made incredible designs throughout the decades. its their focus.
In terms of looks man. This is tattoos it’s pure visual 😂
@@cyberworld9000 I disagree that it is "pure visual"; while as others have said, aesthetic is a very important part of the tattoo, the emotional and sentimental value of it is at least just as important (though I consider it more important). If you view it as "pure visual", you have the right to, but tattoos are an art that are far more than skin-deep (pun intended).
I promise, considering the numbers of each make on the road, that the numbers of Ferraris that have spontaneously combusted is extremely disproportionate to the number of Toyotas.
Whats worse a good tattoo by someone you hate or a bad tattoo by someone you love.
why does death sound like david beckham or something like i was expecting the devil himselfs voice
I'm really wanting to start an apprenticeship but I'm kinda worried people won't take me because I'm 1) very young and 2) a woman.
I'm a good artist and I want to get better... I've always been in love with tattoos and tattooing. Wish me luck 🤞
The thing it’s just not this way in just the tattoo industry... it’s like that in nearly every craft... I’ve been installing tile for 26 years and I’m old school so I completely understand
yep, now just image if you slacked off installing tiles you could very easily give someone a disease. these young people bitching about having to clean tubes and mop lol? its the most important thing you will learn from your time as an apprentice, if someone is so lazy or think they are too good to do that work and they complain when being told to do it then they are simply not going to do it when nobody is looking and its all on them. people keep comparing tattooing to other industries and forget that with tattooing you have to be extremely disciplined, even getting a little bit lazy is all it takes before you are spreading diseases or causing infections. its on the mentor and their reputation to make damn sure you have a respect for your clients and disciplined enough to protect them. i didnt learn in a shop with a proper apprenticeship and really wish i could have, but have always had a lot of respect for that way of learning and understand why it is the way it is. all i hear with these new artist is crying and complaining that they want another thing in life to be handed to them and the thought of working for something is too old school and wrong because its not inline with what they want.
Is that a Freak Show LA shirt? I performed with them ::)
4:52 Thanos Chin? Thanos Chin!
so many young people with old people mentality in this video, they get mad because the tools are easy to get and you have things like youtube to help you in that process? stfu
"eehhh you didn't suffer to get to this point where you are better than me!"
wow Kelly Doty is looking fabulous! i adore her.
5:30
okay, so I don't have any tattoos, but this really reminds me of the old dudes at work who refuse to learn how to use computers and rant about how they make shit too easy. Like, yes, that's the main goal of technological advancements throughout history, making life easier. After listening to them talking about soldering their own stencils vs just printing them out, yea, who wouldn't just print it out? Not only sounds easier but also takes a lot less time, and time = money
Poch spittin truth LMAO!
Anyone got good recommendations for tattooers in the Portland, OR area for black and gray work
Pooch is one of my favorite people on the planet
if the industry provided real paid apprenticeships and weren't abusive cause seems like a lot of the artists have gone through a period of pure abuse starting out that would be great. The old school way just comes with a lot of baggage which I think the new school has helped slowly move away. However, I get why people are criticizing the new school since its so easy/faster just to skip steps. Unfortunately, the industry there isn't a body that protects artists or really provides them without outlets to get health care and so on during these roles. To take multiple jobs and be overworked just to eventually do what you love shouldn't be a standard.