This is a famous ride, I thought I was looking at snow... the mountain is made of limestone and is in southeastern France. Outstanding video, thanks for posting it in English!
The interesting thing you can see here is that the output power somewhat doubles on the e-bike. let's say 250W for the rider and 250W for the e-bike. But the overall advantage in time is less because your bike is 20kg heavier. In the end you will get not 50% faster, but just about 25%. (when the wind is the same in both tests) . It the end, I think the e-bike will not really benefit the sporty people who want to set a time on a certain mountain. It doesn't make sense. . But for trekking people. this is really good. They can pass any mountain with full gear (tent, gas-burner etc.) without dying on the mountain. A lot of people enyoing lovely France on a bike instead of burning diesel on the mountain, I think that's a good thing.
First your are not using % properly. Doubling the power is a 100 % increase. You indeed don't double the power to weight ratio in your example put you are missing a point : The motor + battery as a power to weight/ratio far superior as a humain. A kilos of battery and motorisation is around 25 W/Kg for 1h. A pro racer is 6 W/Kg for an hour. So with a E-bike and a high capacity battery, let say 250 W and 20 Kg, here is the impact : A 250 W 85 Kg rider + bike takes 1h40 up Mt Ventoux (12 Kmh) With a 300 Wh battery and 250 W motor it is now : A 500 W 105 Kg rider + bike takes 1h05 (19 kmh) So roughly a 100 % power increase with a 20 % weight penalty that gives a 60 % increase of speed. 250 W for an hour is pretty good for a random cyclist, with the motor you enter pro level climbing speed. So even a small engine will benefit a lot for a racer.
Fast forward to 2016...ebike kits are up around 5000w now. In the U. S. you can get these bikes to reach over 75km/hr. on a 72v kit. I own a Mongoose Dolomite on a 1500w kit and if I could get myself and my bike to Mont Ventoux.... rest assured I would make this same Trek. I know you had LOADS of fun making this video. Thanks for sharing Peter.
Brilliant! E-bikes are a lot of fun, and enable you to go further and faster than on a conventional bike. Perhaps not as much energy used, but it's better than not doing it at all!
Don't see what the other cyclists are getting upset about, it's not in the same category, is it. Do they also get angry at cars and motorbikes for overtaking them?
Well done demonstrating the technology. I'm impressed. You use the same amount of effort doing it but just takes half the time. No shame in that. Personally I went up with a bike loaded with kit weighing 25kg but I'd love to try what you did.
I love how so many "serious" road cyclists complain about this guy climbing the Ventoux on an e-bike, fucking grow up, there is absolutely 100% nothing wrong with that, I'd do it too for the fun of it, stop pretending you're in a tour de france and just enjoy cycling.
***** bang on mate, the amount of sneers i get from Lycra clad tour fans as i shoot past them is unbelievable, im out having fun, they are out showing off, they even try to race me in Edinburgh, the poor sods, I just smile and hit the throttle, no way they can match 1000 watts for long, and it annoys the hell outta them.
MisterMacrae Still, being a lycra guy is way more enjoyable. You feel that u did it not a stupid engine ^^ I tried e-bikes and they just dont give u the same feeling of accomplishment :) But with saying they are out just to show off is stupid and far off the truth.
+MisterMacrae I want to get a more powerful ebike than my 250 watt bike but don't know wht to do to make it road legal. How did you go about registering your bike for road use etc? Does it have to have indicators and wing mirrors?
matt23540 in europe the rules change April 2016, 200 watts, 15.5mph, however, for the moment, if i have a limiter fitted, then anything is road legal, i usually stick around 20-30mph, and not been stopped once, also grandfather rights apply to any bike built prior to the new rules being introduced, that means they remain road legal, get a 1000-5000 watt hub, you wont regret it.
and btw, his system in the vid is really low power, high power ebikes are a whole different kettle of fish, you need dual suspension, a nice steel frame, and decent travel, because hitting even a small pothole at 30-60mph would wreck most road bikes, keep it simple, and strong mate
I done my own tests uphill using a normal road bike, followed by an ebike to measure which one gave me the best work out 🏋 the ebike won hands down as I was moving at a constant pace, breathing as one should when working out ( gasping and straining oneself is not good for overall fitness and using the normal road bike I did gasp and strain and didn't feel like I was getting a good constant workout, my hearth rate was up and down and at times I found my self straining my back in order to maintain enough speed to keep the bike moving. Since using the ebike I have experienced zero back pains and have never felt washed out or exhausted, any decent fitness trainer will tell you that a good balanced work out without straining oneself is the best way to become truly fit
Cool video. Not a huge fan of eBikes, but if it causes more people to get on bikes, I embrace them! People shouldn't always be in such a hurry, but it's easier to give them a tool that will embrace their busy lifestyle rather than ask them to change by slowing things down.
I recently purchased an ebike and use it to commute to and from work. My fitness is such that I wouldn't be able to make the commute on a normal bike, so for me it is a case of ride an ebike or not ride at all. The cost savings are great too, $6/day in car vs 10c/day in power costs. I also rent out my company park card which is paying for my ebike. As my fitness improves my end goal is to be able to commute using a normal bike, but for now the ebike rocks!
i see some people saying e bikes cheating this guy on this video peter is just showing the benefits of having a e bike than to a top end bike tip top condition bloke the e bike can be faster ... you do not have to use your moter to the max you can set it to what level you like harder you peddle more miles you get out of your battery ... i got a heavy bike i 17 stone bloke but fitted a e bike kit and level 1 on the bike makes it feel like a racer .and yes in the past I have done 90 mile runs on a normal bike ... and used to do a 30 mile run after work .but with injuries i have left the bike alone for well other 20 years ... now i can ride again like a 20 year old :)
Thanks you for an entertaining video. I am currently building my own ebike because my health is not too good so normal riding is difficult for me. WIth an ebike I can enjoy cycling again and gradually get fitter over a long time. I really enjoyed watching you go up the hill.
Great vid! Thanks! I think anything is accepted if it just makes people ride more. :) No average joe would even try to cycle that route without e-assist.
Well actually I think they could. The year after this video i climped a Swiss mountain om my 20 kg bike without assistence. The only training I did was riding my ebike :-). Link to that video is in the beginning of this video.
eBikes are just great! I have even bought an e-Toothbrush because of my eBike experience and even brushing your teeth is better with 'e' assist. We offer eBike tours in Umbria and Tuscany. Nobody is trying to replace cycles, challenge bikes. eBikes allow more freedom and are encouraging more people to get on bikes. It is a truly wonderful development.
I wonder how much better battery technology has come today compared to a couple of years ago, and how good they'll be in another two or three years. Maybe you soon only need one battery for a trip this long or longer. As an overweight person, I'd love to have a powerful ebike with a battery that can last for a whole day such as a twelve hour trip, without being to big and heavy for convenience. I live in Western Norway and there's a lot of steep grades that would be impossible for a big guy like me to climb on a regular bike. This helps a lot of us to get out and about! Cheers.
well done. i am almost 60 yrs. not able to do un-assisted rides up hills. I am now able get out and about using peddles where i can. e bikes are here to stay.YES!!!!!!! chris from australia
Great video , well done . I watched this video about 3 times in the last 2 months and it was one of the videos that made me decide to buy a kit . Ime know the proud owner of a 1500w MTB E bike and o love every second on it . I am a motorcyclist as well as a MTB rider and its deffinitly more fun than either of them . With the calorie burning argument , ime certainly burning more than when i was just MTB rideing because its such fun ime out alot more . I like yourself pedal hard and put energy in to assist the engine and deffinitly get a reasonable work out from it . Thanks for shareing !
+Richard Williams I ride more than 1000 percent more on my ebike than I rode my regular bike before buying my ebike. For sure I burn more calories over a year on my ebike than I did on my regular bike.
Pretty nice. Really shows the potential of an electric. What's wrong with working your ass off at a higher speed ? Regular bicycles were good in their day, but there's a new sheriff in town.
Its the thought behind cycling that with your own power you can travel further than by same energy when walking. Electric is also good but takes a bit of the freedom and peace away.
+TGShunai To me it was an accomplishment because I was totally exhausted :-). Acutally more than my first time on the mountain 3 days before where I went up in the lowest assiste levet and came up 10 minutes after my brother on his regular race bike.
It's a beautiful hill so why not enjoy it without sweating to death ?!!! I am a cyclist through and through but an Ebike up this hill isn't such a bad idea just as long as you don't try and show off as you have a motor to assist you . All the haters have clearly not tried one . They are so much fun . No substitute for an tradtional bike for me but for a disabled person or the elderly or even hauling a heavy trailer then this is a good alternative . Also you are still pedaling and if the worst happens and the motor cuts out you can still ride it (if you have a fairly light one like mine) .
To Martin Doppelbauer. I used a BH Emotion Neo Race. The bike is restricted to 25 kmh. If I had had a bike limited to 45 kmh I would definately had beaten Iban Mayos record :-).
Peter Kjærsgaard depends, your battery would drain 50%-100% faster at 45kph, I use a 48 volt 1000 watt hub at 22 amps@30mph+, and at full tilt it drains the battery very quickly, it lasts around 35 minutes, and thats with 4x12amp hour batteries in a serial, max range is around 10 miles at 30mph, and thats with a 16kg sla set up, even a lithium pack would still come in at 12kg, i only use the sla as its much cheaper, that 4kg I would save would only translate into an extra 2 miles, and I can live with that, have to say, your ebike is very light, and its quite impressive that you managed to climb that mountain with just 2 x 9 amp hour batteries. oh, my ebike is not assisted, ie, I never peddle it....
MisterMacrae That´s realliy interesting. In fact never thought about battery life at a serious pace until i overtook this guy on his overly heavy e-bike on a steep incline.. he simply ran out ouf elecricity and was out of the game. We launched the climb at the same time and he was like "omg get out of my way".. End of the day i won by classic pain, muscle and fitness - but it was close and i never thought i could make it. Very cool challenge you put here, keep on going!
+MisterMacrae Hey dude, Just wandering what batteries you used. I have a 1000w kit with 2 x 6 cell 16 amp lipos in series and i did 12 miles the other day at full speed all the way up and down hills maxed out. I still had 40% of my battery power remaining. When I charged the batteries afterwards they took about 9 or 10 amps. The lipo's I used were multistar 16.0 amp 6 cell 10c batteries from hobby king. Just thought you might be interested :)
i used lead acid, for 2 years, but now using lithium/magnesium, and btw, I never cycle, except on a steep hill to help the motor, hence the lack of range, i still get 10+miles, in Scotland, where hills are steep, and thats using a small 20 amp hour 30 amp max output battery, it weighs a measly 4.5kg, the lead acid weighed in at 16kg, if I wanted, I could easily add another lithium/magnesium pack, and double the range again, I dont trust lipo enough, iv seen too many horror vids on youtube of them catching fire when used on ebikes.
If you know how to look after lipo's, I.E if your not using them for months then store at 40% and dont puncture them etc... then they are better than any other battery out there. My 16 amp 52v setup puts out around 160 amps constant and 320 burst. Overkill obviously. But when i move up to the 6kw kit I intend to get then I guess I am future proofed :) They are also light weight like yours. One 16 amp 24 volt battery weighs 2 kilo's. Seriously dude, Lipo's are amazing, look into them further. But if you like the simple life when it comes to batteries then I completely understand, everyone has there preferences :)
Most cyclists suffer backaches from straining there back when climbing hills, the ebike allows one to sit and support ones back whilst climbing a steep hill. If one wants a really good workout? Turn off assistance and sprint cycle for 2 minutes with 2 minutes gentle, followed by 2 minutes sprint and so on and on until you feel you have had a good work out 🏋 and then turn on assistance and cruise along whilst recovering ( it's simply Devine ) and such a flexible bike 🚴
People always look down on anything that's different and usually it's negative. Forget the haters and labeler. All I see is someone who's enjoying themselves on a finer approach to a ride that's now practical and exciting. Good for you man!
High BPM = good workout. On long climbs, ebikes offer a very good workout because you naturally try to help the motor. Since you're making good progress, it's easy to stay motivated to push and keep the rpm up. Doesn't matter if you're in good shape or not, the workout is there for you.
Great video. I also ride an e-bike to go further in the limited amount of time I have. I'm not cheating because I'm not competing against anyone, and no one imposes their rules on me. It's an eBike, not a bicycle or a motorcycle. Haters need to learn that. I don't ride like an idiot and endanger others. Nothing wrong with it.
I really enjoyed your video thank you. (I conquered Ventoux in August 2014) I am really interested to which editing software and recording equipment that you used? It is very professional!
This is cheating! You aren't supposed to use a motor to go up a mountain! Use a normal bike! You aren't supposed to use wheels and gears to go up a mountain! Use only your own legs! You aren't supposed to use shoes to go up a mountain! Run barefoot! You aren't supposed to use your legs to go up a mountain! Walk on your hands! You aren't supposed to use your hands to go up a mountain! Crawl, pulling yourself with your teeth or your eyelashes! You aren't supposed to use body parts to go up a mountain! Use only thought power! You aren't supposed to use thoughts to go up a mountain! Use a wormhole to tunnel the space-time continuum that you conjure in an alternate universe! Or you can do whatever you want, stop worrying and enjoy it all the way!
I had to google how fast the pro's go up this slope, i wasn't expecting them to be faster than this guy. Many under an hour, and thats at the end of a 200km stage! Doping or not, respect is due
Can you give the specs / model of the bike? This is 2014, so there are more powerful e bikes now, but still would like to know. That's a Garmin too? Would love to do this but I'm in NYC..
It is a bh easy motion neo race. Battery is 11,8 ah and motor is 250 watts peaking at 350 when accelerating. The system is 36v. The bike weighs 20 kgs and I am still using it every day :-)
+Qiuyuan Chen Hehe. We might suggest the local authoraties to put up ebike-chargers all the way up the mountain. Though it might upset the lycra guys just a little bit :-).
Peter Kjærsgaard I am actually one of those lycra guys but I don't bother someone over take me on road anytime even bully me for riding slow. we all have different target on a ride and who knows if the guy on ebike is a testing engineer for a new ebike platform. Products all need testing and the best way is to test them on the road.
You dont have to imagine you will ride more. You WILL ride more :-). It is just so more fun and the best thing is that YOIU decide how much workout you want. Not the weather or the terrain. I rode about 200 kilometers a year before I got my ebike. Now 3 years after I got my ebike I still ride 10 times more a year.
Peter Kjærsgaard Thanks Peter. My sister and I only recently bought new road bikes £500 each. I think i will need to look into ebikes and how much they are. It's great watching your video because I can see you are still getting a great cardio workout, but you can ride for longer and enjoy it more. It's hard to know why we are so faithful to suffering! Even with exercise and losing weight a lot of people are finding long work outs don't work, but short intense bursts are more effective. Biking should be enjoyable rather than tiring. :) Glad I watched your videos.
........ Peter you don't have to stop your bicycle to change from one battery to another. Just buy an AB switch and connect both batteries to it. Then when one battery dies, just switch to B on the AB switch and the other battery kicks in while the depleted battery shuts off. Cheers............ Frank (from New York City)
Only reason any professional rider would have reason to complain, is because so many of them cheat by using hidden motors to win races. No cheating here. Nothing hidden, and he kept his heart rate up just below 200 all the way. Win win!
Haters will be haters-this great video shows that the e-bike allows riders of all sizes and fitness attributes to enjoy in the wonderful sport of "getting the f'k outdoors". Now shut-up all you elitist "gotta suffer to make it legit" idiots. Suffer in silence, and applaud the fact that the bicycle gets another person out there sharing in this wonderful sport. I've seen 85 year-olds back on their bikes, and war veteran double leg amputees pedaling hills that most of y'all would never conquer. The e-bike is here to stay-embrace it-you too, slick young healthy cyclist today, may be in need of an e-bike one day!
Thank you. I have a 250W front hub motor fitted to a Gravity cyclocross bike with disc brakes with a 24v 26 Ah battery (Panasonic cells) rated for 50 miles. I have never pushed it like you have. My bike with similar fittings is probably 8 to 10 pounds heavier than yours. It is a LEED conversion. I like it. The front fork is a CrMo, so it is plenty strong enough for the hub. I have never run out of juice. But it would be nice to have a meter like yours to know how much juice is left. Yours is 36v so may have more power for the hills. idk whether that is true or not. It depends on how the hub is wound and the controller is set up.. Based on watt hours, mine should make it to the top with the kind of pedaling that you were doing. Since mine is a front hub and disc brakes, a 26 inch wheel could be subbed in which would give the wheel more torque. I don't have any torque sensors or anything, just a raw on / off button.
I used to think ebikes are for sissies but after 15 years of mtb racing and and now have bad knees I test rode a ebike and never looked back.I turn the power off on the flats but the hills is when I use the motor.
Mike B No and because of the light weight of a bike you dont want this. It does not generate enough energy unlike heavy electric cars. Also the bike wont be able to free wheel which would be very annoying.
cool man what beautiful mountain ,i watched all that nice cycling , you still must be pretty fitt to do it that speed , even on ebike , i not tried one yet thinking of getting one, , think i will know
If your heart rate was up that much... probably a good idea to swallow some carbs on the way up. I can see that yes you can still exercise quite well on an electric bike and it is in the back of my mind to create one... but oddly enough I was going to use it on a recovery ride. I usually post by rides on strava but if I had an ebike I wouldn’t
Just add that if I gave the ebike to another cyclist he could pace in front of me like the camera men on Le Tour. Guess that might improve my strava times 🤔
Not quite sure what you were trying to demostrate - that you are faster with an eletric motor assisting you - doh, what a surprise. Oh and you were overtaken - lots of times.
really interesting bike, could be beneficial in many ways, well tested on the Ventoux, ps i,d check your heart rate monitor calibration, if your talking easy with a 180 Hr then you might be able to stay with Chris Froome without the ebike
wow! I am jealous. you have a seriously good bike for the days when the body does not function as it used to and a fantastic heart rate ability. I,d like to see you do the Ventoux on a non assist bike. my MHR at 56 years is 160 TOPS, its like having a speed limiter on a car. I press the mental accelerator and the engine does not respond, most notable on climbs. great video enjoyed very much.
Probably the best and most informative demo of what an ebike is, and how they operate etc. That said, I still can't see why people buy them instead of a motorcycle?
Don't listen to the haters man. If someone doesn't have the fitness to ride up these mountain passes properly and they don't need the feeling of conquering them human-powered I salute everyone who has the confidence to do it by ebike. You could have ridden a bit more respectfully, though. Overtaking on the inside and stuff like that - not so cool!
@Brian, riding with e-mtb is the same as without; it's all about battery/energy management. I wanted to know the battery size because I'm about to buy a e-mtb with 650 battery, this video gives me a great indication what to expect from one battery charge. So thanks for sharing Peter!
I own 2 X 30 ah batteries. I never charge pass 80% full and never deplete past 20%. That means there is 60% usable power in a battery, 60% of 30 ah. If you fill it and empty it over and over you will only get 1/2 life out of the battery.
je trouve ca dommage. Si on monte un col c'est pour se dire que l'on l'à fait . Avec une aide c'est comme si on monte en voiture. I find it a shame. If you put on a collar, that's to say that you did it . With help it's like getting in the car.
+Anthony Steele Yes e bikes need to establish their own league like motorcycling does with diffrent size motors , as they are in a league of their own ! Also ... your onley as old as you feel ! ;-)
Good heavens. The traffic is horrible. Anyway. Well done and a fun video. But there are, thank heavens, many other cols in France where you don't get a car every ten seconds overtaking you!!!
This is a famous ride, I thought I was looking at snow... the mountain is made of limestone and is in southeastern France. Outstanding video, thanks for posting it in English!
The interesting thing you can see here is that the output power somewhat doubles on the e-bike.
let's say 250W for the rider and 250W for the e-bike. But the overall advantage in time is less because your bike is 20kg heavier.
In the end you will get not 50% faster, but just about 25%. (when the wind is the same in both tests)
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It the end, I think the e-bike will not really benefit the sporty people who want to set a time on a certain mountain. It doesn't make sense.
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But for trekking people. this is really good. They can pass any mountain with full gear (tent, gas-burner etc.) without dying on the mountain.
A lot of people enyoing lovely France on a bike instead of burning diesel on the mountain, I think that's a good thing.
First your are not using % properly. Doubling the power is a 100 % increase. You indeed don't double the power to weight ratio in your example put you are missing a point : The motor + battery as a power to weight/ratio far superior as a humain. A kilos of battery and motorisation is around 25 W/Kg for 1h. A pro racer is 6 W/Kg for an hour.
So with a E-bike and a high capacity battery, let say 250 W and 20 Kg, here is the impact :
A 250 W 85 Kg rider + bike takes 1h40 up Mt Ventoux (12 Kmh)
With a 300 Wh battery and 250 W motor it is now :
A 500 W 105 Kg rider + bike takes 1h05 (19 kmh)
So roughly a 100 % power increase with a 20 % weight penalty that gives a 60 % increase of speed. 250 W for an hour is pretty good for a random cyclist, with the motor you enter pro level climbing speed.
So even a small engine will benefit a lot for a racer.
Great video. Thanks. I don't know why some people hate so much.
Fast forward to 2016...ebike kits are up around 5000w now. In the U. S. you can get these bikes to reach over 75km/hr. on a 72v kit. I own a Mongoose Dolomite on a 1500w kit and if I could get myself and my bike to Mont Ventoux.... rest assured I would make this same Trek. I know you had LOADS of fun making this video. Thanks for sharing Peter.
Yep it was funny but also exhausting :-). Do you think your battery could make it to the top.
+Peter Kjærsgaard That's hard to say for sure without ever being at this location. I would take two regardless.
I was amused seeing all the e bikes climbing Mont Ventoux this past August.
In my opinion ALL ebikes should not be allowed.
Come on people.
Incredible mountain, i love watching the tour stages there. The barren and bleak slopes go well with the suffering the riders are going through.
Brilliant! E-bikes are a lot of fun, and enable you to go further and faster than on a conventional bike. Perhaps not as much energy used, but it's better than not doing it at all!
Don't see what the other cyclists are getting upset about, it's not in the same category, is it. Do they also get angry at cars and motorbikes for overtaking them?
I guess they think ebikes are in the same category though they are not.
if someone are watching. you can hear one guy say something at 11:55
Well done demonstrating the technology. I'm impressed. You use the same amount of effort doing it but just takes half the time. No shame in that. Personally I went up with a bike loaded with kit weighing 25kg but I'd love to try what you did.
+Philip Gee Go for it. Its just a ton of fun :-).
I love how so many "serious" road cyclists complain about this guy climbing the Ventoux on an e-bike, fucking grow up, there is absolutely 100% nothing wrong with that, I'd do it too for the fun of it, stop pretending you're in a tour de france and just enjoy cycling.
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bang on mate, the amount of sneers i get from Lycra clad tour fans as i shoot past them is unbelievable, im out having fun, they are out showing off, they even try to race me in Edinburgh, the poor sods, I just smile and hit the throttle, no way they can match 1000 watts for long, and it annoys the hell outta them.
MisterMacrae Still, being a lycra guy is way more enjoyable. You feel that u did it not a stupid engine ^^
I tried e-bikes and they just dont give u the same feeling of accomplishment :) But with saying they are out just to show off is stupid and far off the truth.
+MisterMacrae I want to get a more powerful ebike than my 250 watt bike but don't know wht to do to make it road legal. How did you go about registering your bike for road use etc? Does it have to have indicators and wing mirrors?
matt23540 in europe the rules change April 2016, 200 watts, 15.5mph, however, for the moment, if i have a limiter fitted, then anything is road legal, i usually stick around 20-30mph, and not been stopped once, also grandfather rights apply to any bike built prior to the new rules being introduced, that means they remain road legal, get a 1000-5000 watt hub, you wont regret it.
and btw, his system in the vid is really low power, high power ebikes are a whole different kettle of fish, you need dual suspension, a nice steel frame, and decent travel, because hitting even a small pothole at 30-60mph would wreck most road bikes, keep it simple, and strong mate
I done my own tests uphill using a normal road bike, followed by an ebike to measure which one gave me the best work out 🏋 the ebike won hands down as I was moving at a constant pace, breathing as one should when working out ( gasping and straining oneself is not good for overall fitness and using the normal road bike I did gasp and strain and didn't feel like I was getting a good constant workout, my hearth rate was up and down and at times I found my self straining my back in order to maintain enough speed to keep the bike moving. Since using the ebike I have experienced zero back pains and have never felt washed out or exhausted, any decent fitness trainer will tell you that a good balanced work out without straining oneself is the best way to become truly fit
Cool video. Not a huge fan of eBikes, but if it causes more people to get on bikes, I embrace them! People shouldn't always be in such a hurry, but it's easier to give them a tool that will embrace their busy lifestyle rather than ask them to change by slowing things down.
I recently purchased an ebike and use it to commute to and from work. My fitness is such that I wouldn't be able to make the commute on a normal bike, so for me it is a case of ride an ebike or not ride at all. The cost savings are great too, $6/day in car vs 10c/day in power costs. I also rent out my company park card which is paying for my ebike. As my fitness improves my end goal is to be able to commute using a normal bike, but for now the ebike rocks!
I'm overtaking everyone??? Yah, you would be. Try riding it without a battery. It is massively hard!
I love my ebike. I had a heart attack a while back and it gave me the confidence to go out in my hilly home city and not come a cropper
Make sure you take a spare battery 😀
i see some people saying e bikes cheating this guy on this video peter is just showing the benefits of having a e bike than to a top end bike tip top condition bloke the e bike can be faster ... you do not have to use your moter to the max you can set it to what level you like harder you peddle more miles you get out of your battery ... i got a heavy bike i 17 stone bloke but fitted a e bike kit and level 1 on the bike makes it feel like a racer .and yes in the past I have done 90 mile runs on a normal bike ... and used to do a 30 mile run after work .but with injuries i have left the bike alone for well other 20 years ... now i can ride again like a 20 year old :)
you can ride whatever you want.
Thanks you for an entertaining video. I am currently building my own ebike because my health is not too good so normal riding is difficult for me. WIth an ebike I can enjoy cycling again and gradually get fitter over a long time. I really enjoyed watching you go up the hill.
+Jon Phillips Thanks.
When you get a little fit you should try something like it.
Dams funny :-).
This made me laugh so hard. from start to finish. :) :) :) thanks!
Great vid! Thanks! I think anything is accepted if it just makes people ride more. :) No average joe would even try to cycle that route without e-assist.
Well actually I think they could. The year after this video i climped a Swiss mountain om my 20 kg bike without assistence. The only training I did was riding my ebike :-). Link to that video is in the beginning of this video.
"No average joe would even try..." Now there's an incredibly ignorant comment.
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eBikes are just great! I have even bought an e-Toothbrush because of my eBike experience and even brushing your teeth is better with 'e' assist.
We offer eBike tours in Umbria and Tuscany.
Nobody is trying to replace cycles, challenge bikes. eBikes allow more freedom and are encouraging more people to get on bikes. It is a truly wonderful development.
J Timothy Hudson Hehe. My son is a dentist and he says the same.
I wonder how much better battery technology has come today compared to a couple of years ago, and how good they'll be in another two or three years. Maybe you soon only need one battery for a trip this long or longer. As an overweight person, I'd love to have a powerful ebike with a battery that can last for a whole day such as a twelve hour trip, without being to big and heavy for convenience. I live in Western Norway and there's a lot of steep grades that would be impossible for a big guy like me to climb on a regular bike. This helps a lot of us to get out and about! Cheers.
Battery's didn't evolve cathastrophically over the past years
well done. i am almost 60 yrs. not able to do un-assisted rides up hills.
I am now able get out and about using peddles where i can.
e bikes are here to stay.YES!!!!!!!
chris from australia
What you been doing with yourself then?
I’m 61 and can climb Ventoux in under 1:40 on my fairly heavy road bike.
Great video , well done . I watched this video about 3 times in the last 2 months and it was one of the videos that made me decide to buy a kit . Ime know the proud owner of a 1500w MTB E bike and o love every second on it . I am a motorcyclist as well as a MTB rider and its deffinitly more fun than either of them . With the calorie burning argument , ime certainly burning more than when i was just MTB rideing because its such fun ime out alot more . I like yourself pedal hard and put energy in to assist the engine and deffinitly get a reasonable work out from it . Thanks for shareing !
+Richard Williams
I ride more than 1000 percent more on my ebike than I rode my regular bike before buying my ebike.
For sure I burn more calories over a year on my ebike than I did on my regular bike.
Pretty nice. Really shows the potential of an electric. What's wrong with working your ass off at a higher speed ? Regular bicycles were good in their day, but there's a new sheriff in town.
Thats right its called the Sondors Thin newest version.
Its the thought behind cycling that with your own power you can travel further than by same energy when walking. Electric is also good but takes a bit of the freedom and peace away.
Lol love the commentary and comments! Brilliant!! Thanks
Enjoyed the ride - thanks for the video. Spectacular scenery. Is it normally that busy on the mountain?
That summary at the end showing how long it took you, as if this is an accomplishment in any way, shape or form.
+TGShunai To me it was an accomplishment because I was totally exhausted :-). Acutally more than my first time on the mountain 3 days before where I went up in the lowest assiste levet and came up 10 minutes after my brother on his regular race bike.
Thank you for sharing this video. It's always nice for people to take the time and consideration uploading their hobbies.
+Alan Aitcheson Thanks :-).
This is gonna be me when my knees go out! Great video, loved after you put the second battery in and just went flyin up that hill!
Yeah. That was fantastic but I still burned a lot of calories :-).
It's a beautiful hill so why not enjoy it without sweating to death ?!!! I am a cyclist through and through but an Ebike up this hill isn't such a bad idea just as long as you don't try and show off as you have a motor to assist you . All the haters have clearly not tried one . They are so much fun . No substitute for an tradtional bike for me but for a disabled person or the elderly or even hauling a heavy trailer then this is a good alternative . Also you are still pedaling and if the worst happens and the motor cuts out you can still ride it (if you have a fairly light one like mine) .
To Martin Doppelbauer.
I used a BH Emotion Neo Race.
The bike is restricted to 25 kmh.
If I had had a bike limited to 45 kmh I would definately had beaten Iban Mayos record :-).
Peter Kjærsgaard
depends, your battery would drain 50%-100% faster at 45kph, I use a 48 volt 1000 watt hub at 22 amps@30mph+, and at full tilt it drains the battery very quickly, it lasts around 35 minutes, and thats with 4x12amp hour batteries in a serial, max range is around 10 miles at 30mph, and thats with a 16kg sla set up, even a lithium pack would still come in at 12kg, i only use the sla as its much cheaper, that 4kg I would save would only translate into an extra 2 miles, and I can live with that, have to say, your ebike is very light, and its quite impressive that you managed to climb that mountain with just 2 x 9 amp hour batteries.
oh, my ebike is not assisted, ie, I never peddle it....
MisterMacrae That´s realliy interesting. In fact never thought about battery life at a serious pace until i overtook this guy on his overly heavy e-bike on a steep incline.. he simply ran out ouf elecricity and was out of the game. We launched the climb at the same time and he was like "omg get out of my way".. End of the day i won by classic pain, muscle and fitness - but it was close and i never thought i could make it. Very cool challenge you put here, keep on going!
+MisterMacrae Hey dude, Just wandering what batteries you used. I have a 1000w kit with 2 x 6 cell 16 amp lipos in series and i did 12 miles the other day at full speed all the way up and down hills maxed out. I still had 40% of my battery power remaining. When I charged the batteries afterwards they took about 9 or 10 amps. The lipo's I used were multistar 16.0 amp 6 cell 10c batteries from hobby king. Just thought you might be interested :)
i used lead acid, for 2 years, but now using lithium/magnesium, and btw, I never cycle, except on a steep hill to help the motor, hence the lack of range, i still get 10+miles, in Scotland, where hills are steep, and thats using a small 20 amp hour 30 amp max output battery, it weighs a measly 4.5kg, the lead acid weighed in at 16kg, if I wanted, I could easily add another lithium/magnesium pack, and double the range again, I dont trust lipo enough, iv seen too many horror vids on youtube of them catching fire when used on ebikes.
If you know how to look after lipo's, I.E if your not using them for months then store at 40% and dont puncture them etc... then they are better than any other battery out there. My 16 amp 52v setup puts out around 160 amps constant and 320 burst. Overkill obviously. But when i move up to the 6kw kit I intend to get then I guess I am future proofed :) They are also light weight like yours. One 16 amp 24 volt battery weighs 2 kilo's. Seriously dude, Lipo's are amazing, look into them further. But if you like the simple life when it comes to batteries then I completely understand, everyone has there preferences :)
What was the bike? What is it’s power rating? What amphour battery did you use? Was your drive a mid drive or wheel drive etc etc etc.
250 watt rear hub motor. System 36v. Battery is 11 amps.
Most cyclists suffer backaches from straining there back when climbing hills, the ebike allows one to sit and support ones back whilst climbing a steep hill. If one wants a really good workout? Turn off assistance and sprint cycle for 2 minutes with 2 minutes gentle, followed by 2 minutes sprint and so on and on until you feel you have had a good work out 🏋 and then turn on assistance and cruise along whilst recovering ( it's simply Devine ) and such a flexible bike 🚴
Great video, keep up the great work. 👍🏼
People always look down on anything that's different and usually it's negative. Forget the haters and labeler. All I see is someone who's enjoying themselves on a finer approach to a ride that's now practical and exciting. Good for you man!
I like it how the battery fits the frame. Thanks for the video and scenery.
Me too. That is way is bought this bike. Because of the stealthy looks compared to other ebikes.
Now, finally a video of actually putting the bike to the test.
all electric challenge ahaha amazing. you guys are having a blast
Well.not a challenge really is it now?
High BPM = good workout. On long climbs, ebikes offer a very good workout because you naturally try to help the motor. Since you're making good progress, it's easy to stay motivated to push and keep the rpm up. Doesn't matter if you're in good shape or not, the workout is there for you.
ahbalone Just my words :-).
Great video Peter, thanks for sharing. :)
+Nigel Martin Thanks
This video makes a great indoor training session. Cheers
Thanks :-).
Great video. I also ride an e-bike to go further in the limited amount of time I have.
I'm not cheating because I'm not competing against anyone, and no one imposes their rules on me. It's an eBike, not a bicycle or a motorcycle. Haters need to learn that.
I don't ride like an idiot and endanger others. Nothing wrong with it.
Just my words :-).
I really enjoyed your video thank you. (I conquered Ventoux in August 2014) I am really interested to which editing software and recording equipment that you used? It is very professional!
Jejjer W Actually quite simple equipment.
I used a GoPro in a chedst Mount.
Edited with Windows Movie Maker and for the lay over I used Dashware.
Thank you very much! One more question if I may ask you Peter - what tracking software did you use to add to Dashware ?
+Jejjer W I just used the data from my Garmin Watch.
This is cheating!
You aren't supposed to use a motor to go up a mountain! Use a normal bike!
You aren't supposed to use wheels and gears to go up a mountain! Use only your own legs!
You aren't supposed to use shoes to go up a mountain! Run barefoot!
You aren't supposed to use your legs to go up a mountain! Walk on your hands!
You aren't supposed to use your hands to go up a mountain! Crawl, pulling yourself with your teeth or your eyelashes!
You aren't supposed to use body parts to go up a mountain! Use only thought power!
You aren't supposed to use thoughts to go up a mountain! Use a wormhole to tunnel the space-time continuum that you conjure in an alternate universe!
Or you can do whatever you want, stop worrying and enjoy it all the way!
Hehe. This is a good comment to all the haters.
Sabia Magar Viteaza 🤡hilarious🤣🤣🤣
Hilarious!
Anyone would think he is actually racing a Tour stage in the Tour de France reading some of the comments saying it's cheating 😂
Sabia Magar Viteaza I love you man .....I wish everyone was thinking like you
Great video... just hope this isn't going on Strava though!
Lol
I had to google how fast the pro's go up this slope, i wasn't expecting them to be faster than this guy.
Many under an hour, and thats at the end of a 200km stage!
Doping or not, respect is due
Yeah. For those prose who did it without EPO it is totally amazing.
That looks fun! Im a DH mtber and all about the speed not so much endurance. If i could go up hills like i can downhill im all for it. 👊🏼
And its lots of fun. I also have and MTB-ebike.
Fascinating! Really nice video!
Good travels! Keep having fun! Be safe out there! :-)
Great video and what a work out
Can you give the specs / model of the bike? This is 2014, so there are more powerful e bikes now, but still would like to know. That's a Garmin too? Would love to do this but I'm in NYC..
Y Z 250 watt motor. Peaks at 350 watts. Battery is 11,6amps x. 36v. The bike is a BH easymotion neo race.
Thanks. 250/350W? (I am thinking 750W) you still had to put a lot of effort I am sure. Did you measure your cadence / torque?
Y Z No. I did nor messure my torque. My max heartrate is just above 190. And I was around 160 most of the time so I was really pushing hard 😊.
ok, thanks.
Electric bikes are great
Great challenge! Let nobody ever say that riding an e bike can’t provide an incredibly hard workout!
Ice Reef Thanks. I enjoyed it all the way up 😊.
They see me rollin’ they hatin’
Hey how about some details on your setup, like watts/ah and the kit that you used?
It is a bh easy motion neo race. Battery is 11,8 ah and motor is 250 watts peaking at 350 when accelerating. The system is 36v. The bike weighs 20 kgs and I am still using it every day :-)
Those little European 250W motors kill me! LOL!!!!!!! You guys crack me up! :)
Brian Bassett You can also get 500w motors in Europe.
The point is that a 750w doesn't weigh much more than a 500w and I can ride anywhere in America that a bike is allowed.
Brian Bassett Sometimes I wish we did not have the nanny state in Europe 😊.
What I wish is you can recharge them on the descent. That would be even better.
+Qiuyuan Chen
Hehe.
We might suggest the local authoraties to put up ebike-chargers all the way up the mountain.
Though it might upset the lycra guys just a little bit :-).
Peter Kjærsgaard I am actually one of those lycra guys but I don't bother someone over take me on road anytime even bully me for riding slow. we all have different target on a ride and who knows if the guy on ebike is a testing engineer for a new ebike platform. Products all need testing and the best way is to test them on the road.
The whining here is nothing compared to the fixed gear fanatics when multiple gear bikes were introduced.
i'll bet your thumb was exhausted after this climb.
From shifting my gears all the time yes.
An ebike in Europe under the 25 km/h law has no throttle.
i need an ebike! i have a normal one, but can imagine an ebike will make me ride more!
You dont have to imagine you will ride more.
You WILL ride more :-).
It is just so more fun and the best thing is that YOIU decide how much workout you want.
Not the weather or the terrain.
I rode about 200 kilometers a year before I got my ebike.
Now 3 years after I got my ebike I still ride 10 times more a year.
Peter Kjærsgaard Thanks Peter. My sister and I only recently bought new road bikes £500 each. I think i will need to look into ebikes and how much they are. It's great watching your video because I can see you are still getting a great cardio workout, but you can ride for longer and enjoy it more. It's hard to know why we are so faithful to suffering! Even with exercise and losing weight a lot of people are finding long work outs don't work, but short intense bursts are more effective. Biking should be enjoyable rather than tiring. :) Glad I watched your videos.
Thanks.I have made a video about work out on ebikes and with lots of other info.
Here is the link.
th-cam.com/video/LaFiJzth3fA/w-d-xo.html
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Peter Kjærsgaard thanks will check it. I did 50km today on a group cycling trip in pineda de la sierra, Spain. I wish I had an ebike
........ Peter you don't have to stop your bicycle to change from one battery to another. Just buy an AB switch and connect both batteries to it. Then when one battery dies, just switch to B on the AB switch and the other battery kicks in while the depleted battery shuts off. Cheers............ Frank (from New York City)
Only reason any professional rider would have reason to complain, is because so many of them cheat by using hidden motors to win races. No cheating here. Nothing hidden, and he kept his heart rate up just below 200 all the way. Win win!
Just my words :-).
Haters will be haters-this great video shows that the e-bike allows riders of all sizes and fitness attributes to enjoy in the wonderful sport of "getting the f'k outdoors". Now shut-up all you elitist "gotta suffer to make it legit" idiots. Suffer in silence, and applaud the fact that the bicycle gets another person out there sharing in this wonderful sport.
I've seen 85 year-olds back on their bikes, and war veteran double leg amputees pedaling hills that most of y'all would never conquer.
The e-bike is here to stay-embrace it-you too, slick young healthy cyclist today, may be in need of an e-bike one day!
Yep. One day ebike haters might need an ebike :-).
You did not seem to discuss the bike, or what size motor you are using.
The name of my bike is Easy Motion Neo Race.
The motor is 250w but can peak shortly at 350W.
The battery is 12Ah.
Thank you. I have a 250W front hub motor fitted to a Gravity cyclocross bike with disc brakes with a 24v 26 Ah battery (Panasonic cells) rated for 50 miles. I have never pushed it like you have. My bike with similar fittings is probably 8 to 10 pounds heavier than yours. It is a LEED conversion. I like it. The front fork is a CrMo, so it is plenty strong enough for the hub. I have never run out of juice. But it would be nice to have a meter like yours to know how much juice is left. Yours is 36v so may have more power for the hills. idk whether that is true or not. It depends on how the hub is wound and the controller is set up.. Based on watt hours, mine should make it to the top with the kind of pedaling that you were doing. Since mine is a front hub and disc brakes, a 26 inch wheel could be subbed in which would give the wheel more torque. I don't have any torque sensors or anything, just a raw on / off button.
I used to think ebikes are for sissies but after 15 years of mtb racing and and now have bad knees I test rode a ebike and never looked back.I turn the power off on the flats but the hills is when I use the motor.
Same for me on my MTB ebike :-).
ahahahhah that swallowing of the bug is justice for going up mvt with an e-bike
When coming back down the hill can it recharge the battery.
Mike B No and because of the light weight of a bike you dont want this. It does not generate enough energy unlike heavy electric cars. Also the bike wont be able to free wheel which would be very annoying.
guy at 12 mins shouted cheat, cheat. I think.
That is a good guess. A few shouted angrily but also some shouted fun comments.
THE EARTH SURE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO CURVATURE FROM THAT SHOT
what the watch? which battery did you use? How many watts?
I used a 12 amp 36v battery. Just above 400 watts.
ok! Thanks? i will buy the same.)
Peter Kjærsgaard yes but x 2
Man this looks so fun! haha god damn turbo bike eating up mountain like it's nothing xD
I wonder what people were thinking as you were passing them.
I mostly got posityve comments. One guy saidhlaughinge he wanted a motor like mine
I always say “hi there, nice day for a motorbike ride”.
cool man what beautiful mountain ,i watched all that nice cycling , you still must be pretty fitt to do it that speed , even on ebike , i not tried one yet thinking of getting one, , think i will know
how can you talk so calm at 180bpm?
I have a very high max heart rate for my age. This has nothing to do with fitness level. It is genes.
If your heart rate was up that much... probably a good idea to swallow some carbs on the way up. I can see that yes you can still exercise quite well on an electric bike and it is in the back of my mind to create one... but oddly enough I was going to use it on a recovery ride. I usually post by rides on strava but if I had an ebike I wouldn’t
Just add that if I gave the ebike to another cyclist he could pace in front of me like the camera men on Le Tour. Guess that might improve my strava times 🤔
He be trolling 😂👌
Not quite sure what you were trying to demostrate - that you are faster with an eletric motor assisting you - doh, what a surprise. Oh and you were overtaken - lots of times.
really interesting bike, could be beneficial in many ways, well tested on the Ventoux, ps i,d check your heart rate monitor calibration, if your talking easy with a 180 Hr then you might be able to stay with Chris Froome without the ebike
I have tried several monitors and they all show around 190 as max heart rate. I guess I just have a natural hight max heart rate for my age.
wow! I am jealous. you have a seriously good bike for the days when the body does not function as it used to and a fantastic heart rate ability. I,d like to see you do the Ventoux on a non assist bike.
my MHR at 56 years is 160 TOPS, its like having a speed limiter on a car.
I press the mental accelerator and the engine does not respond, most notable on climbs.
great video enjoyed very much.
I have trired several hear rate monitors. They all show the same. I have a hight max heart rate for my age.
E quando la batteria si scarica cosa fai?
I rode up Ventoux and smashed it...on an ebike. I passed really serious riders who looked really fit. It must make you feel great hey 🤔
You deluded yourself then. You didn’t “smash” anything.
Probably the best and most informative demo of what an ebike is, and how they operate etc. That said, I still can't see why people buy them instead of a motorcycle?
what watt is the ebike ? and is it hub or mid drive e.t.c
It is 250w but it can peak at 350 for a short while. Top speed is 30 kmh.
It is a hub motor.
Gostei desse jeito da bateria me explique por favor como seria a potência dessa bateria?. Obrigado
Would love to take my fatbike
For those who say you can't get a workout on an ebike...did you notice his heart rate?
Yeah, and it’s bogus.
177 and he chatting away with no breathing? Bogus.
Doing your best Chris Froome imitation!
How small are your batteries?
How did you overlay the speed and gradient data?
I used software from Dashware.
www.dashware.net/
I ran into a LOT of troubles but in the end I manage to make it work.
The wattage is 250 but bh bikes really gets you going with a. Lot of torque
.......... Ahead of me.......... another serious guy................. I'm gonna overtake him like Julius Caesar overtaking Europe.......... LOL !!
Great vid....Demoralizing the purists all the way up the mountain. lol
Nope.
Why would it. You’re just showing your pathetic weakness.
Enjoyed that.
That's called the mechanic doping
Yep. And it is great fun :-)
this is a nice mountain how much high meters you climbed
1610 meters according to Google. Do not remember it :-).
Don't listen to the haters man. If someone doesn't have the fitness to ride up these mountain passes properly and they don't need the feeling of conquering them human-powered I salute everyone who has the confidence to do it by ebike. You could have ridden a bit more respectfully, though. Overtaking on the inside and stuff like that - not so cool!
Just wondering how large your battery was on this ride
36x 11,6 = Around 400 watt h
Not big enough if he had to change it out 1/2 way.
Brian Bassett That was only because I rode on in max help mode. In another attempt I came up with 50 percent left.
@Brian, riding with e-mtb is the same as without; it's all about battery/energy management. I wanted to know the battery size because I'm about to buy a e-mtb with 650 battery, this video gives me a great indication what to expect from one battery charge. So thanks for sharing Peter!
I own 2 X 30 ah batteries. I never charge pass 80% full and never deplete past 20%. That means there is 60% usable power in a battery, 60% of 30 ah. If you fill it and empty it over and over you will only get 1/2 life out of the battery.
je trouve ca dommage. Si on monte un col c'est pour se dire que l'on l'à fait . Avec une aide c'est comme si on monte en voiture.
I find it a shame. If you put on a collar, that's to say that you did it . With help it's like getting in the car.
ebike needs to be the new standard so that there is an even playing field
Anthony Steele Boring :(
I'm old
+Anthony Steele Yes e bikes need to establish their own league like motorcycling does with diffrent size motors , as they are in a league of their own ! Also ... your onley as old as you feel ! ;-)
I couldn’t let those cars pass 😇😇😂
why not just with the car this does not make sense
It is strange how you want to race them ...good test
It was grate fun.
Good heavens. The traffic is horrible. Anyway. Well done and a fun video. But there are, thank heavens, many other cols in France where you don't get a car every ten seconds overtaking you!!!
This summer I rode a lot of smaller mountains in the southern France with almost no cars. That was amazing :-).
That looked like a bad day. It’s not usually like that.
Perhaps it's an idea tot take a motorbike. A 200cc will be more than enough power.
Naaaarh. That would not give any work out :-).
Electric bikes doesn't matter when it only goes up into 30kph